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April 26th, 2004, 02:08 PM
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Senator Kinsey arrives at the S.G.C. to investigate the program and determine whether the great drain on the U.S. budget is worthwhile, prompting the team to recall missions from the past year.

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Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 08:10 PM
This episode just pissed me off, especially Kinsey... He needs to go put into a box and thrown into the river, Angel style :)

KorbenDirewolf
June 9th, 2004, 12:11 PM
He needs to go put into a box and thrown into the river, Angel style :)

I've gotta say Robert Kinsey isn't one of my favorites.. But what does an angel have to do with him?

Elwe Singollo
June 9th, 2004, 12:15 PM
In the third season finale of Angel, Angel himself was cast away into a box, and sent to the bottom of the ocean, thats what i meant :)

elhSG1
June 10th, 2004, 05:23 AM
I thought this was a great way to introduce us to the evil Senator Kinsey. I thought Ronny Cox did a great job in this episode and of course every other one he's in. Of course, being a clip show especially in the 1st season doesn't rank up there in my favorites, but as I said before I loved the way Senator Kinsey was introduced to us.

SeaBee
June 19th, 2004, 10:03 AM
This was, for me, a bad ep on so many levels. Firstly, Kinsey, to me reminded me of every sanctamonious, overbearing bully I have ever met. Secondly, it was a clip show, and I have always hated clip shows. They are used by producers who want to save money, and usually don't move the series on in any meaningful way. I could go on, (and on and on!) but I won't, except to say that I disliked this ep.

Anubis
June 19th, 2004, 10:12 AM
Quite right, I enjoyed Kinsey but I don't like clip episodes, they really are annyoing and also very cheap

Madeleine
June 19th, 2004, 10:10 PM
The very start and the very end were great. The middle... CLIP SHOW!

There was some good dialogue in between the clips. I loved it when Daniel got frustrated and went off on one. Teal'c had some good lines and some great glowers. No one can glower like CJ.

On the whole though, this ep has grown on me. As an episode on its own it's poor, but set in its place inbetween TBFTGoG and Serpent's wotsit it serves its purpose really well; when I have time to watch that little 4-ep arc all in one go (okay, it's been twice total) I haven't needed to ff anything. There's so much action in those other eps, this is like the 'breather', after climbing the hill but before tackling the mountain.

Also, with the benefit of several years' hindsight, it has grown on me for other reasons. I haven't *always* liked the Kinsey eps, but there have been enough good ones (CoC and 2001 in particular) and Politics certainly does its job as a good introduction for Kinsey and his modus operandi.

Elwe Singollo
June 20th, 2004, 12:39 AM
I guess the episode was there to show viewers that the SGC cost alot of money to run, and our (i think) first look of Kinsey, the person who i think i hate, but the actor does it so good. I guess there was bound to be an episode about the threat of the SGC being shut down (although there were many more in future seasons).

Anubis
June 20th, 2004, 12:41 AM
This was the first ep we saw Kinsey been a evil person but apart from the flashbacks it wasn't too bad

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 02:09 AM
I really don't like Kinsey,or clip shows in general,but it was a vital episode IMO.
We were introduced to Kinsey and the spectre of the NID storylines to come.
Also,as Madeleine said,it's all part of the 4-episode story arc,....and I'm a sucker for that whole arc !! :D

One thing I would like to make clear.I really don't like Kinsey,but Ronny Cox himself,comes across as a true gent and a sweetie, in everything I've read, and heard about him,over the years ! :cool:

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 06:42 PM
This is probably the worst of the SG-1 clip shows.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 04:51 PM
this lame episode was required to get to the serpents lair... guess it kinda evens out

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 04:53 PM
You say it's lame, I say it's good. It brought forward the creepiest guy in the SG1-universe IMO :)

Selmak
July 17th, 2004, 10:46 PM
Kinsy could have been introduced in a less lame way :)

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 05:18 PM
Quite right, I enjoyed Kinsey but I don't like clip episodes, they really are annyoing and also very cheap
well I like the clip shows at the end of the season before the finale ... but this wasn't the greatest.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 07:10 AM
ok, il say it, i like clip episodes. i thought it was good.

greytop
September 15th, 2004, 02:58 PM
I do like this episode as the introduction of Sen.\Vice-President Kinsey. He seemed to want to close down the Stargate program because he couldn't have control over it as we see in episode to come.

Kinsey is a guy you love to hate. Ronny Cox is great as Kinsey. I have seen him in other programs so I know he isn't like this in real life.

Uncle Dick
September 17th, 2004, 08:55 PM
I'm not a huge fan of clip shows either, and it's frustrating because this one is an essential part of the Gou'ald invasion arc. The clips themselves are solid, though, because Season 1 was very watchable. There are even a few clips from the feature, and I love feature tie-ins.

I actually prefer Senator Kinsey in this episode to the overblown government conspiracy threats from the NID (and now, "The Trust") that characterized later seasons.

zats
September 18th, 2004, 08:23 PM
Okay, so this episode was almost entirely clips. But that's okay. They needed something to sum up the season, and they managed to pull it off gracefully. Kudos to whomever thought of that.

What was good:

a. Kinsey. I HATE him. REALLY HATE him, which is what makes an ep with him so infuriatingly delicious. He's so entirely one-sided and so entirely evil that you can just HATE him without any compunction whatsoever (unlike, say, Maybourne).

b. Teal'c. One word: scary. Lots of words (sorry, couldn't help it! :p ) : that glare scares the total crap out of me. I would not like to have him for a teacher (my God, can you imagine him teaching debate?)

c. Kinsey. Sorry, forgot something. He was so bloody wiley and so wonderfully hateable. I loved how he kept switching tacks; first, "the goa'uld are a minor threat, you've escaped them unscathed, etc." to "one nearly destroyed the facility, they're too dangerous, we've gotta play ostrich and bury our heads before they come down on us". I HATE THAT GUY! :eek:

d. Jack. I love it when someone gets his dander up. "This time, there really are barbarians! They're goa'uld! And they really are at the 'gate! That 'gate!" Hee hee hee. I love those moments as much as I hate Kinsey!

e. The "bake sale?...Garage sale?...Car wash?!" dialogue, complete with the "this is what I look like when I'm not laughing" gag. V. funny!

f. The ending shot. Panned back from the briefing room window. Great imagery, very dramatic.

g. "ENGAGED?!" Alleluia! I loved their reactions.

What wasn't so good:

a. Dude. Give Sam more lines. Sorry, it bugs me... :rolleyes:

b. Daniel. Yes, the poor guy is niave (aren't we all) but really. I for one would have an awfully hard time accepting some story about alternate universes if I didn't know the guy. Wouldn't you? And yet he doesn't understand why Jack wants him to keep it under wraps.

c. Hammond. Come on already, show some Texas spirit!

To sum up:

ENGAGED!

Lord Zedd
September 19th, 2004, 05:40 AM
This episode just pissed me off, especially Kinsey... He needs to go put into a box and thrown into the river, Angel style :)
Yeah I was getting very mad also.O'Neiil might think that Kinsey is probably a Goa'uld like MR Burns

Lord Zedd
November 16th, 2004, 11:11 AM
OK Politics title allready makes me bored but the episode was good and oohh that Kinsey I can get really angry with this guy he is such a meany :D

greytop
November 16th, 2004, 11:20 AM
OK Politics title allready makes me bored but the episode was good and oohh that Kinsey I can get really angry with this guy he is such a meany :D
But he's a man you love to hate.

.:Lemon:.
December 9th, 2004, 07:54 AM
Although this episode was a clip show (which I usually hate) I thought it was done very well, and I actually enjoyed watching it. It's probably one of my fave early episodes. :)

ShimmeringStar
January 30th, 2005, 07:01 AM
A decent lead in to the S1 season ender to remind viewers of everything that happened in S1 & to tease them into thinking that the whole thing really would be shut down by Kinsey… the man we love to hate.

Yep zats… that was a funny scene… :)
Jack: “All right. Wait a minute. Let…Let me get something straight here. Engaged?”

Sam: “It is theoretically possible.”

Jack: “It's against regulations!"

SmartFox
March 3rd, 2005, 08:56 AM
I dont like clip shows but liked the Senator Kinsey and his "evilness". This show had to happen though to get on to WTSG and i like to see how American is responding to the Stargate but i from watching S8 im tired of all the eps on Earth about politics. I wouldn't have minded this ep as much if i started with it from the beginning but now there is too many eps that don't go off world anymore. (sorry for the rant on S8 but this just reminded me of everything i dont like about S8)

PugGate
March 10th, 2005, 06:22 PM
I liked Teal'c's glowering. Too bad Kinsey didn't give him a reason to dismember him.

I guess it was a good way to sum up the season, but clip shows are just a boring and inimaginitive way to save money.

SilverRider
March 12th, 2005, 01:33 AM
I HATED this ep...I'm neverever watching it again..........

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
April 9th, 2005, 03:38 PM
i liked how Jack had his little arguments with Kinsey and then eventualy pointed out some mis-spellings in the documents "he" wrote. :D

i usualy like any episodes that also have the government after sg-1. good intro to Kinsey i thought though.

Talon
April 11th, 2005, 09:39 AM
Not a great episode but one of the greatest line in Stargate, to paraphrase

"What do you expect us to do, upload a virus to their mothership" :D

Neat little dig at the creators of stargate the movie who went on to make the fantasticly dumb but thourghly watchable Inderpendence day.

Funny nasty line. :D

QuiGonJohn
April 19th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Last night I watched the 4 episode arc, and as others have said, Politics doesn't seem so bad in the arc. Yes, I do not like clip episodes myself, but actually, this is one of the better clip episodes in any series I have seen. And actually, it didn't seem like the episode was "mostly clips". To me, it seemed to mostly be in the present, with maybe 30% of the episode comprised of clips. I'd be curious to see the timing of how many minutes clip vs. how many minutes new stuff.

twiggy
April 21st, 2005, 02:45 PM
i didn't like this ep, i thought that it was one of the more boring eps of S1, but it wasn't wholy bad. it introduced Kinsey as a guy to be reconed with.

OrangeShipper
April 28th, 2005, 05:58 AM
I HATE Kinsey, oh so much.. I won't really get into that now, I'll probably offend everyone with my ranting.. Oh I hate that guy.. Grrr.... I know some people "love to hate" him, but he's just TOO ignorant and annoying.. Grr... *blood boiling at thought of Kinsey* Right anyway.....

I don't like clip shows either - they seem like a waste of an ep. You know, if you wanted to see scenes from other eps, you'd go watch that ep. In my opinion, anyway. They just seem a waste.

Having said that, the rest of the ep is brilliant! Despite Kinsey.. Although I love it whenever they get one up on him! But the dialogue and comedy and angry Jack etc were all wonderful. If only the ep had been made up of more of that, instead of the clips, it would probably be one of my faves from S1!!

zats
June 29th, 2005, 04:41 PM
A decent lead in to the S1 season ender to remind viewers of everything that happened in S1 & to tease them into thinking that the whole thing really would be shut down by Kinsey… the man we love to hate.

Yep zats… that was a funny scene… :)
Jack: “All right. Wait a minute. Let…Let me get something straight here. Engaged?”

Sam: “It is theoretically possible.”

Jack: “It's against regulations!"
That single exchange has possibly led to more discussion/wishful thinking than any other line on the show...and what a fine exchange it is! :D

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 12:35 AM
This was the first of the many clips shows, and has anyone noticed how Kinsey seems to be in them, this one, Disclosure, and the S7 which i cant remember the name, mind you it sums up everything that happened to SG-1 in S1

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 08:57 PM
This episode was bad!!!! I mean most shows wait until their fourth season for clip shows!

P-90_177
September 19th, 2005, 04:52 AM
To me this ep was pretty good. Stargate has a way of making clip-shows meaningful to the series since both this and disclosure had a purpose to it. The line of Jacks (and let me tell you something, this time there really are barbarians, their called Goulds and this time they really are at the gate, THAT ONE!) was one of his all time greats and ronny cox plays the Jack-ass kinsy really well. In fact I can say that it is one of the best eps of the season.

Metarock Sam
September 22nd, 2005, 02:18 PM
This ep for me was the worst clip show out of the lot theyve done so far. IT also showed how badly patriotic some american idiots are to the flag and country and stuff like that.

TPL2005
October 25th, 2005, 05:10 PM
This is the best clip-show, the worst in my opinion is the one in which they disclose the Stargate to the other nations (in season 7 i think), i fell asleep during that one.

timdalton007
October 26th, 2005, 05:01 AM
The best clip show of the series. Since There But For The grace Of God was the first episode I saw I had no idea what the show was about. After watching this though, I knew most of what was going on. This episode is great for those fans who started watching season one without watching either the movie or Children of the Gods.

This is also one of my favorite episdoes. Of course, anybody who looks at the quote I use as my signature knows that. The whole conflict between those at the SGC and Kinsey are among the finest of season 1.

timdalton007

Svengoolie
December 18th, 2005, 01:38 PM
Like everyone else said; it's a clip show. Worthless.

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 03:25 PM
the first clip show of stargate and one of the best

captain jake
April 17th, 2006, 07:14 PM
I believe disclosure was the best clip show. However this was the first which makes it special.

Heru'urs_first_prime
July 10th, 2006, 01:30 AM
Loved this episode, really good! This is the first time that ive felt like ive REALLY HATED a TV character! the senitor REALLY PI**ED ME OFF! i loved it!

captain jake
July 10th, 2006, 01:45 AM
This is only the beginning of Kinsey it gets much much much worse.

scifi_girl
July 11th, 2006, 11:55 AM
i think its great having a character round that you hate. makes it fun. i liked the episode overall

captain jake
July 11th, 2006, 07:51 PM
Well... I dunno I think this episode was OK but definitely not one of my favorites. I never have really liked the political episodes.

Chaka's_Mum
July 11th, 2006, 10:53 PM
At least it introduces us to the stupendously magnificent Senator Bob Kinsey. Clip-shows never interest me all that much, despite their value as time-savers for the production team; even the well done ones (and some are, lets face it, horribly contrived and absolutely dreadful). Fortunately, we've largely had the better ones on Stargate.

The clip-show thing for me, however, is forgiven because of our first meeting with that nasty old curmudgeon. A fab character indeed - and yes, we love to hate him, the evil git. Smashing job by Ronny Cox, there.

captain jake
July 12th, 2006, 03:00 AM
Its never good when two of the most hated things collide. To confirm my last post I re watched this episode and YES it was amazingly bad. (Kinsey, and clip shows)

Chaka's_Mum
July 12th, 2006, 10:53 PM
The best thing is despising Kinsey for his pathetic, self-serving shortsightedness. The fact that he's a power-grabbing, sneaky quisling is just a bonus. Have to agree that the 'clip-show' element of this ep is not my thing, though.

Kinsey, however, is a fantastically awful character. Nothing like a good, sneaky nemesis. I bet he was the school snitch, too.:)

captain jake
July 12th, 2006, 11:25 PM
He was probably the kid who told kids to beat a kid up because he was to big of a sissy to do it himself. (Like he did with the trust)

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 08:20 PM
i always hated kinsey and always will atleast he isnt the vice president anymore lol thats a relive

captain jake
July 21st, 2006, 04:11 PM
i always hated kinsey and always will atleast he isnt the vice president anymore lol thats a relive

Ha ha well atleast when he was vice president we knew where he was now we don't have a clue where he is. Will he come back? yep I think he will and I bet you anything he will be just as evil as ever.

Spacegirlnz
July 28th, 2006, 05:13 PM
i always hated kinsey and always will atleast he isnt the vice president anymore lol thats a relive

omg, yes. Thank god he's not the vise president. Everytime I see him I get angry. Even if he's on a different show (like when he was a guest star on Desperate Housewives) all I want to do is hit him. My family just laugh at me.

I don't like this episode though. Currently I'm rewatching SG-1 from the beginning, and I came to that ep, and I watched the teaser bit before the credits (just to refresh my memory) and just skipped it. I guess it's okay, cause it's the first one, but flash back episodes, in general, just annoy me. But they are good for noobies to the show.

Chaka's_Mum
August 10th, 2006, 10:21 PM
Ooh, poor Ronny!

Personally, I find Kinsey so much fun because he's such an awful person. I dislike the old fart intensely too - he makes me angry for being the crumbly dribble of egg-yolk on the best tie of humanity.

Of course, this is his first outing - the best is yet to come! :D

Harlan's Speechwriter
March 18th, 2007, 02:29 AM
Personally, I find Kinsey so much fun because he's such an awful person. I dislike the old fart intensely too - he makes me angry for being the crumbly dribble of egg-yolk on the best tie of humanity.

The scary thing is that there really are people like Kinsey out there, some of them in powerful positions, just like him. He certainly reminded me of a few people I've worked with over the years....At least I get to shout at Kinsey cos he's only on screen! ;)

First
June 6th, 2007, 05:31 PM
Kinsey is such an irritating and self serving character. When I first watched this episode I wanted to throw something at the TV whenever Kinsey spoke. But I guess that's the character. We're supposed to hate him. Ronny Cox does an excellent job at being an irritating prat who seems to be against everything we believe is right for the SGC. You wish you could send him to the alternate reality where Earth is conquered.

I never like clip shows though. Good for newbies, but when you rewatch the series on DVD, some of it gets fast-forwarded.

Chezlee
January 24th, 2008, 02:38 PM
I think that Kinsey presented a real adverse persepective to the Stargate. It is dangerous, and it costs money. Theres a thread out there that discusses what would happen if the stargate were real and I think that a lot of people would have a problem with it because they don't care what is out there all they are concerned with is the here and now and what will effect that status quo in the near future, and 7 billion dollar program that coule potentially wipe out the earth is one of those threats.

Although I dislike clipshow episodes that SG1 seems to have so many of, this episode did serve a purpose in presenting a point of view outside the SGC and Kinsey did play the "Devil's Advocate" very well, and even though he was acting in his best interest as politicians often do, I think it was a good move for the writers to introduce him as an antagonist.

I am not saying I agreed with what he said about the Stargate, I just think it was necessary for it to be said. Besides he get it put to him when SG1 saves the Earth anyway :)

HelloVelo
June 2nd, 2008, 02:59 AM
Heh. I thought Kinsey was brilliantly done. He makes me want to break things.

Rating: 4/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/politics.html

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 10:12 PM
I figure that Kinsey wanted the SGC shutdown so he could get a crack at it. However, he made the administration so biased against the Stargate program that I doubt he could get it up and running again.

Does anybody have any theories of how he was going to get control of it after the whole thing was shutdown.

P-90_177
June 26th, 2008, 05:13 PM
I figure that Kinsey wanted the SGC shutdown so he could get a crack at it. However, he made the administration so biased against the Stargate program that I doubt he could get it up and running again.

Does anybody have any theories of how he was going to get control of it after the whole thing was shutdown.

At first I don't think he was trying to get control of it. I reckon that it was only after 'within the serpents grasp' when it became obvious that the goa'uld really were a threat that he decided that he wanted control of the program.

captain jake
June 26th, 2008, 05:20 PM
At first I don't think he was trying to get control of it. I reckon that it was only after 'within the serpents grasp' when it became obvious that the goa'uld really were a threat that he decided that he wanted control of the program.

Wait wait wait, he didn't want control due to fear of the Goa'uld. He wanted control for the commercial applications, you have to remember he was deeply entangled with the trust. As a matter of fact it was because he didn't think there was any threat to earth, which made him think that commercial applications were the only useful thing that could come out of the program.

Thats my opinion anyways.

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 05:06 PM
Kinsey is an ass scared of the unknown.

I wish they hadn't used up precious minutes just to flashback to previous episodes.

captain jake
June 27th, 2008, 05:37 PM
Kinsey is an ass scared of the unknown.

I wish they hadn't used up precious minutes just to flashback to previous episodes.

I agree he was a coward.

However, flashback episodes are meant to tie up all lose ends so people can pick up fresh when the next season begins. For a fan they are pretty much useless but for the large majority of casual viewers it can be extremely helpful.

Ulkesh47
July 1st, 2008, 06:57 PM
However, flashback episodes are meant to tie up all lose ends so people can pick up fresh when the next season begins. For a fan they are pretty much useless but for the large majority of casual viewers it can be extremely helpful.

Unlike most people, I don't really have a problem with clip shows. In fact, I often enjoy them- and "Politics" is actually a nice, solid episode.

Great moment: Daniel tells Kinsey that the Goa'uld are coming in ships. Kinsey then says that they'll regret taking on the United States military.
Always amusing.

L E E
July 1st, 2008, 09:31 PM
I agree on the need for clip shows for your average TV viewers.

Personally, I do feel kind of cheated since I bought the season 1 box set.

However, there are plenty of good moments in this ep. All the non-clipshow scenes, are IMO, well done and acted. I particulary like the "virus" line from Daniel and Jack's reaction to being engaged in the alternate reality. Also, the Kinsey character was protrayed as intended. Which I assume to make people hate him. And I really, really despised him. I hope he gets what's coming! (Don't spoil it for me:cool:).

L E E
July 1st, 2008, 09:38 PM
I think that Kinsey presented a real adverse persepective to the Stargate. It is dangerous, and it costs money. Theres a thread out there that discusses what would happen if the stargate were real and I think that a lot of people would have a problem with it because they don't care what is out there all they are concerned with is the here and now and what will effect that status quo in the near future, and 7 billion dollar program that coule potentially wipe out the earth is one of those threats.

Although I dislike clipshow episodes that SG1 seems to have so many of, this episode did serve a purpose in presenting a point of view outside the SGC and Kinsey did play the "Devil's Advocate" very well, and even though he was acting in his best interest as politicians often do, I think it was a good move for the writers to introduce him as an antagonist.

I am not saying I agreed with what he said about the Stargate, I just think it was necessary for it to be said. Besides he get it put to him when SG1 saves the Earth anyway :)

These are all very good points and I agree. Both sides, IMO, gave good arguments.

It is true that there were instances when the planet was in danger because of what SG1 did. But since this is a TV show, they always solve the problem. In real life, this wont happen. However, despite the risk, I don't agree that the program should be shut down. There are pros and cons to everything and I think this ep showed this sufficiently.

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 11:23 PM
These are all very good points and I agree. Both sides, IMO, gave good arguments.

It is true that there were instances when the planet was in danger because of what SG1 did. But since this is a TV show, they always solve the problem. In real life, this wont happen. However, despite the risk, I don't agree that the program should be shut down. There are pros and cons to everything and I think this ep showed this sufficiently.

In my opinion the Stargate is more than a means to obtaining technology. It's about exploration and the advancement of the human species on Earth. I believe that it was the fate of humans to become the saviors of displaced humans and Jaffa all over the galaxy. No matter what Kinsey or anybody else in the government tries to do, fate will always put things back in place.

pritnep
July 30th, 2008, 07:38 PM
Wow! Besides the flashbacks of this episode (since I'm on a re-watch it wasn't long ago that I since watched the episode) but I like someone said here I do understand why they did it and it did help to create a great episode and set-up the season finale.

Funny how Jack was interested about him and Sam getting engaged and all he could say was it was against regulations, then he had that look like he was thinking about it for a second.

No wonder I never liked Kinsey he was annoying from the start.

I agree once again with captain jake (we seem to have similar thoughts) that the Stargate program is essential for earth to take our rightful place in the galaxy. After all space is one of the last great frontiers.

queen_hathor
August 3rd, 2008, 11:35 AM
Funny how Jack was interested about him and Sam getting engaged and all he could say was it was against regulations, then he had that look like he was thinking about it for a second.

No wonder I never liked Kinsey he was annoying from the start.
Saw parts of this the other day. Jack was hilarious... nothing about how he wasn't interested etc ... just against regulations!! I miss Jack so much
:lol:

I vaguely recall warming to him a little for some unfathomable reason, but having watched it again, I hate him more than ever!!!

SG1FanOregon
August 3rd, 2008, 06:05 PM
Yes! I think this was a vital episode not only to get us from the previous ep into the following 2, but I think Kinsey was needed to expand the SGC's world into the real world & intro some very possible problems that could come from the government. I think it'd be idiotic to assume everyone outside the SGC who knows of it's existance would worship them as the saviors of the world. As far as not liking Sen. Kinsey??? OMG!!! I want to slap him & have him drawn & quartered more than most of the Goa'uld. Ronny Cox is an extremely nice person & I think all the hate directed towards his character is a major compliment to his acting. I think he'd be proud. Clip shows can be a bit Zzzzzz but on the whole I think SG1 has done better than most series I've watched as far as that & if saving a few $$$ lets them go all out when they want to do a really good episode? It's fine by me & they did do some spendy space scenes when Apophis attacked earth. Maybe thats where the saved $$ went

ValaDee
August 6th, 2008, 08:39 PM
Yes! I think this was a vital episode not only to get us from the previous ep into the following 2, but I think Kinsey was needed to expand the SGC's world into the real world & intro some very possible problems that could come from the government. I think it'd be idiotic to assume everyone outside the SGC who knows of it's existance would worship them as the saviors of the world. As far as not liking Sen. Kinsey??? OMG!!! I want to slap him & have him drawn & quartered more than most of the Goa'uld. Ronny Cox is an extremely nice person & I think all the hate directed towards his character is a major compliment to his acting. I think he'd be proud. Clip shows can be a bit Zzzzzz but on the whole I think SG1 has done better than most series I've watched as far as that & if saving a few $$$ lets them go all out when they want to do a really good episode? It's fine by me & they did do some spendy space scenes when Apophis attacked earth. Maybe thats where the saved $$ went

Just slap him and have him drawn and quartered? Ahhhhhhhh I could do better than those things.......Have him flogged first and then drawn and quartered would be sooooooooooo much better...

Pic
August 19th, 2008, 01:12 PM
I love this 4-episode arc, but this is the weakest of the 4. Great filler though, for a clip episode. Teal'c being pissed and Daniel getting frustrated came through very well.

Must've been a budget thing?

Black_Sheep
August 19th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Must've been a budget thing?

Probably. I don't see why they would otherwise do a "clip show" at this point.

RononXSpecialist
November 8th, 2008, 02:53 AM
That's alot of money lol.. Kenzie is soo UGH.. Any of you guys notice how bad this show makes our Government look...? Its a great show the best.. But it makes our government look bad lol.

jelgate
November 8th, 2008, 07:47 AM
Have you ever been to Washington? A majority of politicians are corrupt like Kinsey.

leiasky
November 9th, 2008, 09:35 PM
I REALLY don't like clip shows, but FOR a clip show, this was well done and did have a believable and interesting story,

gateship15
November 9th, 2008, 09:40 PM
i kind of like this episode even tho Kinsey makes this episode interesting he annoys me.

leiasky
November 9th, 2008, 09:51 PM
Kinsey is a great, love to hate him baddie. He plays off RDA real well. They're great together in 'Smoke and Mirrors'.

gateship15
November 9th, 2008, 10:16 PM
i guess he just rubs me the wrong way atho the team and Kinsey relationship even tho they don't like him is entertaining

The6thRace
November 11th, 2008, 02:33 PM
I love how General Hammond says, 'Get out of here'. It sounds kind of forced, but it does make me laugh.

gateship15
November 12th, 2008, 11:05 PM
i agree with u it did sound forced but i liked it any way

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 07:02 AM
im sure nobody was upset when kinsey died

gateship15
February 24th, 2009, 12:31 AM
maybe not the characters in stargate but i did i missed his meddling and coursing trouble for the stargate program and its staff

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 02:57 PM
a clip show after one season. an interesting move howver not as interesting as the introduction of kinsey. if i was jack i would have shot him.

lordofseas
July 30th, 2009, 07:41 PM
I love the bake sale/yard sale moment. :P

Ar3s
January 12th, 2010, 11:19 AM
Kinsey is the kind of man that everyone loves to hate and he proves why in this episode lol

mrscopterdoc
February 15th, 2010, 07:54 PM
ehhhh a clip eppie.

BarbarianAtTheGate
February 21st, 2010, 09:00 PM
I think that Kinsey presented a real adverse persepective to the Stargate. It is dangerous, and it costs money. Theres a thread out there that discusses what would happen if the stargate were real and I think that a lot of people would have a problem with it because they don't care what is out there all they are concerned with is the here and now and what will effect that status quo in the near future, and 7 billion dollar program that coule potentially wipe out the earth is one of those threats.

Yes, there were some legitimate issues concerning the Stargate. The SG-1 team is making decisions that will affect the entire Earth. How should they be held accountable for those decisions?

This could have been explored in a more thoughtful way, but they made Senator Kinsey so unlikeable till we get blinded to the issues and just want to cheer for our heros while dispising him.

Oh, and nice touch at the end of the episode having the evil senator invoke religion by claiming that the "one true God" will protect us from an attack by the Goa'uld. They just had to go there.

rushy
July 4th, 2010, 07:55 AM
Kinsey also played Captain Jellico on Star Trek:The Next Generation. Not a bad guy just an idiot. I hate Kinsey. They should give him the black hole planet.

Hate the episode. :ronananime16: :bratacanime13: :tealcanime44: Kinsey:jack_new_anime25::tealcanime23::cameronanime12:

maneth
July 17th, 2010, 10:47 AM
Great episode, even if I usually detest bureaucrats. Kinsey's a worm!

SiNz
August 6th, 2010, 09:30 PM
I have a real love-hate of this episode. It's a good summary of the season leading into the end season arc, but omfg Kinsey is such a toss. If there's anything that gets my blood boiling is that over-the-top patriotic religiousity...and I'm glad the SG producers didn't go along with it.

I like Jack's reaction to it lol

Tallifer
September 6th, 2010, 02:03 PM
The worst episode ever. Why would anyone think we wanted to watch extended replays of episodes from the very same season?

I have to say that if I had been there, I would have been in complete agreement with the senator:

1. How could Congress allow something so expensive and so speculative to be completely secret and fully funded?

2. How could the senator be expected to believe the story of one man, Jackson, to verify the extent of the Gaould threat?

3. How could the senator be persuaded by people who were so constantly rude to him and dismissive of his questions and concerns? The phrase "with respect, sir" almost always preceded a rebuke or an insult, not a presentation of calm and logical argument.

As a viewer of course, I was rooting for Stargate Command.

I was bothered however by the show's portrayal of the Gaould threat: why is it, as the senator pointed out so well, that the Gaould are considered an unstoppable threat when a mere hand-held ground-to-air missile could destroy a superduper deathstriker? And bullets can obviously kill Jaffar. I think the producers, directors and script-writers should have shown more consistency in these matters.

Or I simply do not understand all the information about the Gaould thus far.

Edit: Now that I have seen the second season's premiere, I can see how this story sets up the epic, but this episode itself is still very poorly done. Not a story to watch more than once.

Vagabond Serpent
October 19th, 2010, 09:54 AM
Don't have much to say except that it's the worst episode of the first season, if not the series. I totally agree that it was necessary to demonstrate another point of view on the StarGate program, that'd be different from the heroic one we saw before, but I think it could have been done without a clip episode.

Kinsey is for sure a character you love to hate and you want to do unspeakable on a PG-forum things to him, but that all is thanks to the brilliant work of the actor. You see Kinsey stupid, stubborn, selfish and actually pranking on SG-1 and Hammond as he and Samuels, who's also a slippery worm, already made a decision on the SG fate.

The clips make you falling asleep, but scenes in between were well played actually, with all cast showing their actor skill. I especially loved Jack's "garage sale" and "car wash" lines, Hammond's "that's how I look when I'm not laughing" and simply their behaviour during the episode. Teal'C was also brilliant when Kinsey said that the freedom of his people is none of his (Kinsey) business. When I was watching this for the first time, I thought Teal'C is going to kill Kinsey! :lol:

So, to cut the long story short, this episode is a total crap as a standalone one, but in the four episode arc it's even re-watchable.

4/10.

Ulkesh47
October 19th, 2010, 09:56 AM
im sure nobody was upset when kinsey died
We're not sure he is dead... but yeah, I guess you're right for the most part.

FrodoFraggins
March 19th, 2011, 02:15 AM
1/10

I can only guess that the show went over budget and needed to save money here in order to have a decent finale. Way too much time dedicated to past clips and an unbelievable standoff with a lone senator.

maylet
July 16th, 2011, 10:52 AM
While watching this episode, all I think was....Can somebody punch Samuels and Kinsey. omg how I hate them.

Lunaeclipse
July 16th, 2011, 02:41 PM
I think we needed to see that their 'antics' had opposition. After bringing threats from other worlds through to Earth it would be nieve to think someone would not think that would cause a decent threat to Earth. Then the clips, reminded us of some of the things they'd been through, (perhaps as a comparision to the motherships? Idk.).

for the record -I am under the impression that kinsey had a political agenda the whole time he was on t show.

the fifth man
July 16th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Kinsey made such a great adversary for our SGC team.

SaberBlade
July 16th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Kinsey made such a great adversary for our SGC team.

I thought he made the end of the series much more enjoyable to watch because he was such a wonderful bastard. The character was played incredibly well (I'd expect nothing less from Dick Jones, Vice-President of OCP) and made SG1's motive behind their actions in the finale much more believable.

the fifth man
July 16th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Yeah, Kinsey was very well played.

garhkal
July 17th, 2011, 01:36 PM
The only thing i had against this ep, was why did they need to do a 'clip' show to reshow what had just gone on in ONE season?

spatty
August 2nd, 2011, 10:49 PM
What bothers me most about the clips in this episode is that they are HUGE chunks of the previous shows. At the beginning of each episode they show a "previously on Stargate SG-1" segment. This segment contains short reminders of what happened previously instead of huge chunks. This is what any clip show should be as well. It is meant to tie in what happened previously with what the characters are talking about. When the viewer feels they are watching the previous episode it takes them out of the current one. This was an editing fail.

Lunaeclipse
August 5th, 2011, 07:22 PM
The only thing i had against this ep, was why did they need to do a 'clip' show to reshow what had just gone on in ONE season?

dramatic build up?

SaberBlade
August 15th, 2011, 04:44 PM
The only thing i had against this ep, was why did they need to do a 'clip' show to reshow what had just gone on in ONE season?

It's an easy way to save money for future episodes. The sets for example would have been very expensive first time around (with their reuse allowing money to be saved in future episodes) so a clip show helps make that possible.

If you ever see a clip show, usually an episode or two later something expensive tends to take place. Same thing can be said for bottle shows (episodes taking place in pre-existing locations and not very expensive to make).

muziqaz
August 20th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Did I say I HATE politics? Usually I am a calm person, but Kinsey flips the switch for me, always.
I like the start and the end of the episode, not because the whole episode was done from season 1 clips, but because there was so much political spin to suit ones agenda. And the foolishness and blind faith of Kinsey... Did I say I HATE him as well? :D

dtheories
August 20th, 2011, 11:01 AM
Did I say I HATE politics? Usually I am a calm person, but Kinsey flips the switch for me, always.
I like the start and the end of the episode, not because the whole episode was done from season 1 clips, but because there was so much political spin to suit ones agenda. And the foolishness and blind faith of Kinsey... Did I say I HATE him as well? :D

Such Passion!! :-)

I'd agree with SaberBlade about funds allocation given what we know is to come. And I admit I also FF through the clips, but this was still a very intense episode.

The idea of Hammond traisping through D.C. trying to stir up support to keep the SGC doors open was imaginative and humorous. (SPOILER...sorry, this is from Serpent's Grasp!)
I have to ask; why are all the civilian vehicles heading into the mountain always decades out of style?

Teal'c's line: Because what is right cannot be measured by strength epitomizes Daniel of the time. He's consisdered the weak link in terms of military might and yet, it's his focus and passion, his insistence that he's right that finally brings support from his commrades enough to make the next step possible. Loved that in the face of disbelief from his team, Daniel remained steadfast in his resolve to the larger picture.

The sad part is that, in the 13 years or so since this ep aired, our politicians are still unable to listen without skepticism nor can they hear with an open mind.

The team played the solemn moments exceptionally well.

Starscape91
August 20th, 2011, 01:56 PM
I hate flashback episodes.

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 21st, 2011, 04:57 AM
I hate this ep nearly as much as I hate Kinsey. Easily my least favourite of the season.

Scotaf
August 23rd, 2011, 04:49 AM
I don't need to tell you all the reasons I don't like this episode because many of the posts on here explain that very well. I will heartily agree that this clip show is probably my least fav episode of season 1. That being said I didn't hate Kinsey as much this time through as I have before...not sure what that means about me! but there it is.

SF_and_Coffee
August 23rd, 2011, 04:42 PM
The only thing i had against this ep, was why did they need to do a 'clip' show to reshow what had just gone on in ONE season?
Because there are often quite a few viewers who didn't tune in until the season was at least half over, and this way they get a primer on precisely WHY the current goings-on matter so much. It gives them context they otherwise wouldn't have, and makes it more likely that they'll tune in next week to see what happens... which of course was the cliffhanger season finale. That makes it more likely that the same viewers will come back next season. It's called increasing market share.


What bothers me most about the clips in this episode is that they are HUGE chunks of the previous shows. At the beginning of each episode they show a "previously on Stargate SG-1" segment. This segment contains short reminders of what happened previously instead of huge chunks. This is what any clip show should be as well. It is meant to tie in what happened previously with what the characters are talking about. When the viewer feels they are watching the previous episode it takes them out of the current one. This was an editing fail.
See my comment above regarding context. This was a "previously in the entire first season thus far" show, so naturally they needed to show more, in order to give viewers who might not have begun watching the show until Episode 10 or 15 some much-needed hooks to hang their impressions on. It was actually a brilliant move, in my opinion. Remember, this was the late 1990's, when people who hadn't tuned in from the beginning didn't have the option of just surfing over to Hulu and catching up on what they'd missed, the way we can do with current TV shows today.


It's an easy way to save money for future episodes. The sets for example would have been very expensive first time around (with their reuse allowing money to be saved in future episodes) so a clip show helps make that possible.

If you ever see a clip show, usually an episode or two later something expensive tends to take place. Same thing can be said for bottle shows (episodes taking place in pre-existing locations and not very expensive to make).
This, too.

Krisz
August 24th, 2011, 01:42 PM
It was fun to see Kinsey in his first appearance again! Ronny Cox chews up the scenery with the character of Kinsey! I think he's a great character, puts a really fantastically played pompous short sighted face to the opposition on Earth to the Stargate and those that think it's a bad idea using it.

I've always felt that Stargate did clip shows better than many shows I've seen over the years.

Nindif
August 26th, 2011, 05:14 AM
It was fun to see Kinsey in his first appearance again! Ronny Cox chews up the scenery with the character of Kinsey! I think he's a great character, puts a really fantastically played pompous short sighted face to the opposition on Earth to the Stargate and those that think it's a bad idea using it.

Have to agree! As much as Kinsey annoys the heck out of me with his close-minded irrationality and need for control and power, he is played exeptionally well.

I dont mind this flashback episode at all. I think it was very well done how they tied it into the 3 episode arc with Daniel's alternate reality/ Earth attack plotline.


Because there are often quite a few viewers who didn't tune in until the season was at least half over, and this way they get a primer on precisely WHY the current goings-on matter so much. It gives them context they otherwise wouldn't have, and makes it more likely that they'll tune in next week to see what happens... which of course was the cliffhanger season finale. That makes it more likely that the same viewers will come back next season. It's called increasing market share.


See my comment above regarding context. This was a "previously in the entire first season thus far" show, so naturally they needed to show more, in order to give viewers who might not have begun watching the show until Episode 10 or 15 some much-needed hooks to hang their impressions on. It was actually a brilliant move, in my opinion. Remember, this was the late 1990's, when people who hadn't tuned in from the beginning didn't have the option of just surfing over to Hulu and catching up on what they'd missed, the way we can do with current TV shows today.

This too! Great post, sums up the need for the episode quite well.

It is nice to see Teal'c become so emotive during the episode. He really steps up and lets the ignorant Kinsey hear his thoughts. The moment he stands and approaches Kinsey is a very well-played character movement. Great stuff.

I LOVE Kinseys opening monologue when everyone is seated around the table. Brad Wright wrote this dialogue extremely well.

Good episode.

Jae'a
August 26th, 2011, 05:59 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/6525.html)

So they saved a bit of money for the next episode with a clip show in this one, big deal. Don't give them a hard time for doing what you'd probably do yourself. ;)

Plus, the finale might not have been as good if they didn't. :D

poundpuppy29
August 26th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Glad to see I am not alone I hated this episode not because of the flash backs not they did not bother me what irritated me was the pissing match between Jack & Kinsey that annoyed and I hated the whole NID storyline that followed we already had enemy didn't need another one

Matt G
August 26th, 2011, 01:24 PM
So...another Sunday afternoon...another ep of SG1...well fired up by the previous ep I get given...this.

1. Yeah I suppose, costsaver and an alternate Earth view of the Gate.

2. As Jack said "he'd already made up his mind.

Yes, Daniel's alternate reality play was a gamble but it was the true and they were out of any other ammo.

It was a clip show. Meh. And I did go on to like some of the later Earthbound eps.

mathpiglet
August 26th, 2011, 03:02 PM
Clip show. Saves money, may catch a few new watchers who get interested enough to keep watching.

hlndncr
August 26th, 2011, 03:19 PM
OK, this is a clipshow so I would be surprised if it were anyone's favorite. But I still rather like it. For me it is definitely not the worst episode of season 1.

I enjoy the modern American politics angle. It's one of the things I really like about Stargate. Having worked on the Hill for a Senator on appropriations requests I can understand the dilema of funding a very expensive, super secret program, that is also highly risky.

Another thing that makes this episode fun for me is Ronny Cox. In an interview he gave to GW he explained that he based his character in part on Senator Orrin Hatch. He did say that Senator Hatch is such a nice guy that he had to add a little sinister to the character ala Dr. Strangelove. This just makes me laugh because I worked for Senator Hatch and I can say that he is in fact the nicest guy, and I can see some of my Senator's mannerism in Kinsey (but not the attitude). In fact, while Cox and Hatch would surely disagree on politics, I think they would get along really well personally. Like Cox, Sentor Hatch is a songwriter and he loves folk music. I've always wanted to get these two together.

I really enjoyed seeing Jack go toe to toe with Kinsey. At first he tries the charm offensive ("I'm actually a nice guy." *Smile/Wink*) But that goes nowhere. Jack takes Kinsey's measure pretty quick and classes him on the enemy list. From then on it's all out war.

Another great beat is Teal'c taking on Kinsey. Remember Teal'c is a hundred years old and a former first prime. He is no fool, but he knows one when he sees one.

Finally, when Teal'c expresses his wish to leave if Earth will no longer fight, you can just hear the disappointment in his voice. He really thought the Tau'ri were the hope of the galaxy against the goa'uld. Then Jack makes the brave and loyal decision to go with him. He would accept self-exile from earth rather than give up. That is a great example of the kind of soldier, the kind of man, and the kind of friend Jack is.

Finally, a few tidbits of information in case anyone is interested. As clip shows go, there is quite a bit of meat in this one. Yes, the whole story takes place mainly talking around the briefing room table. But there is definitely and important story that leads us into the finale. An entire 15 minutes and 25 seconds pass before even one clip is shown and there are no clips for the last 10 minutes and 15 seconds.

There are 9 clips totalling 15 min. 6 sec. as follows:

1) CotG = 2:05
2) CotG = 1:05
3) Nox = 1:15
4) Movie = :28
5) Singularity = 1:08
6) Cold Lazarus (2 scenes) = 1:30
7) Enemy Within = 1:15
8) Broca Divide (2 scenes) = 3:24
9) Brief Candle (3 scenes) = 2:56




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LeftHandedGuitarist
August 27th, 2011, 02:02 PM
It's definitely not the worst episode of season 1, and as mentioned above the clips take up a very small part of the show. The scenes with Kinsey are great. Daniel's line about uploading a computer virus is absolute gold. Still, I find clip shows unforgivable so I can't say I loved it.

RATING: 6 out of 10

SF_and_Coffee
August 27th, 2011, 02:25 PM
What's unforgivable about clip shows? They serve a purpose. How else would you suggest giving late-coming new viewers the background they need in order to understand the background of what they've missed, back in the days prior to Hulu, etc.? Would it have been better to just say, "Sorry, you missed it, we're not going to tell you what's going on so that you'll continue to tune in even thought things are about to get confusing and complicated, we don't want you unless you started watching from the pilot onward"... really? Remember, without a growing fan base in the early days, a show doesn't get renewed. I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but I know that I'm certainly glad we got more than just one or two seasons of SG-1...

SG1Member
August 27th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Kinsey was part of a long tradition on the show of someone or someones on Earth constantly challenging Sg-1 and their use of the gate. First it was the NID, the the Trust, then the IOA. Why is it that there always needs to be someone like that on the show, I ask? SG-1 has enough to worry about with the Goa'uld, the Replicators, the Ori, etc, without having to butt heads with their own government too.

DigiFluid
August 29th, 2011, 04:58 AM
Whyyyyy would you make a clipshow episode in a show's first season?? :lol:

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 29th, 2011, 08:27 AM
What's unforgivable about clip shows? They serve a purpose.

It's not a rational dislike, sure, but it's mainly because they are not made for me - a fan. I watched the show every week, and don't want or need to see a repeat of what has gone before. Similarly, I'm the sort of person who could not watch any show without seeing it from the start, if I want to watch something I seek it out from the beginning. If they needed to save money, I'd rather they just made one episode less per season.

These days, clip shows don't seem to appear much. Rather, a studio will put together a specific recap program narrated by one of the actors to bring new viewers up to speed (Lost did this several times). This is a MUCH better solution.

SF_and_Coffee
August 29th, 2011, 01:08 PM
It may well be, but remember, you have to judge these early SG-1 seasons by what was available in the day, and the reasons for doing things in certain ways. And really, there are an awful lot of hard-core SG-1 fans who only came to the show midway through the first season or even later. Hell, I didn't even have Showtime when SG-1 premiered there, and I know I'm not the only one. But that doesn't make me any less of a fan -- I just came late to the party. I enjoyed this ep, even though by the time I saw it, I'd managed to catch most or all of the first season in syndicated reruns. It was made for me -- a fan -- because I could grab several friends who had missed crucial eps and get them to watch with me and catch up, so that we could all enjoy what came next.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 29th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Bad episode, worst clip show of the series because there is only a season's worth of footage here.

Kinsey is introduced, he is always a bastard, wanting to always shut down the gate.

Tomorrow: The first season finale.

jlovette
August 29th, 2011, 04:07 PM
For a clip show, I though it was a decent balance between old material and the scenes with Kinsey. Having said that, it was hard to stay focused having just rewatched all of those episodes over the last few weeks.

I don't necessarily mind the fact that it was a clip show in the first season, but its placement after the great ending from There But For the Grace of God was a total momentum killer. I did a rewatch at the end of SG-1 with my wife, who watching for the first time. We finished Grace of God after midnight and she couldn't wait to watch the next one. By the time Politics ended, she was more than a little irritated.

mathpiglet
August 29th, 2011, 04:36 PM
The problem with the new material is that it was all talking heads. A bunch of people sitting around the table, probably reading their scripts. No new action. That's why it's harder to watch the second time around.

SG3Marine
August 30th, 2011, 05:43 AM
While I don't understand why they had a clip show episode in the first season, I think the episode was saved from being a total wreck by Senator Kinsey. He was animated enough for it to be interesting. Can't wait for the season finale though!

SF_and_Coffee
August 30th, 2011, 10:27 AM
While I don't understand why they had a clip show episode in the first season
To bring newer viewers up to speed on what was going on so that they'd understand the finale well enough to come back and watch the second season from the beginning. Jeez, this isn't rocket science, folks. It was 1997, and there was no such thing as Hulu yet.

-SF&C,
who remembers the old days before Hulu, Netflix and even VHS and Beta, so when you missed something, you REALLY missed it. Now get off my lawn.
:D

Naomi
August 30th, 2011, 02:19 PM
I'm not a fan of clip shows, although I understand their purpose -- condensed version of "the story so far," and production cost savings. I am a fan of this episode, though, because Ronny Cox is so good at being Senator Kinsey.

chaddergate
August 30th, 2011, 04:04 PM
The problem with the new material is that it was all talking heads. A bunch of people sitting around the table, probably reading their scripts. No new action. That's why it's harder to watch the second time around.

Yep, hate clip shows...and I've been watching the new Outer Limits recently (from where Glassner & Wright came from), they have used them in the early seasons over there as well. Eh. :(

jelgate
August 31st, 2011, 06:11 PM
I'm not anti-clip show like some people. Its all about the material between the clips that matters to me. And the Kinsey-SG1 conflicts is why I like Politics even though its a clip show. The battle of words delivers a punch as you can see them yelling. And a lot of that credit goes to Ronny Cox. He really sells Kinsey as a villian that the fights between him and SG1 feels real and makes for excitment. It also makes the season finale more dire.

hlndncr
August 31st, 2011, 08:15 PM
Teal'c is so deep!


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Kunoichi
September 3rd, 2011, 07:12 AM
It's not one of my favourite episodes for a couple of reasons. The first being the clipshow bit. I understand why they did it, and felt that the clips used did forward the episode's plot and help bring newer viewers up to date with what's happened, but it did slow the episode down for me personally.

The second reason is that I always finish the episode feeling really angry because of Kinsey. Whilst this means that the episode is not a favourite of mine because it leaves me wanting to hit something (or someone), I think it is actually a sign of a well written script and fantastic performance by Ronny Cox, in making Kinsey so thoroughly unlikable that my blood boils every time he comes out with one of his self-righteous, sanctimonious, ridiculous statements. I think a lot of what he is saying about the dangers of the Stargate program is true, but it is so obvious that (as Jack says) he had already made his decision before visiting that anything he says immediately loses credibility because of his obvious agenda.

That being said it does have some good moments, e.g. the reactions of Jack and Sam to being engaged in the alternate reality, and it was a necessary episode to set up the season finally and had obvious knock on consequences for later seasons.

juggernaut975
September 4th, 2011, 04:25 AM
Having been subjected to a number of clip shows from other programs (Shades of Gray for instance.....shudder...) I found this one entirely satisfying.

It was a chance to rehash old footage and save money, sure, but it served as the intermission of sorts between the end of season arc which started with There But For the Grace of God and then continues on with Within the Serpent's Grasp and The Serpent's Lair. Although the bulk of the episode is flashbacks (Well Colonel...what about THIS mission with it's exciting footage?) it does two important things:

1) it sustains the urgency for the oncoming Goa'uld fleet and

2) it maintains the fact that not everyone within the US Military is as high speed, low drag as the members of SGC are. LTC Samuels is as weasely as they come and as we see the last of him we're introduced to Senator Kinsey who will be a thorn in our hero's sides for some time to come.


Like a lot of folks, I consider this to be a four episode story arc and Politics is sort of the breather in between. Unlike other clip shows however it provides some progression for the overall story and is, imho at least, a fun viewing.

Traveler Enroute1
September 16th, 2011, 08:50 PM
SG Rewatch episodes: 101 - 105, 106, 107, 109, 110, 111,112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120

Politics

Commonly referred to as a 'clips' episode, this one was comprised of early scenes from the series, condensing lots of good action sequences to illustrate SG-1's previous missions. Mostly, though, this is 'bridge' episode, tying the previous one to the next one, and a well made bridge it is.

Daniel's return from the alternate universe has coincided with some dire goings-on between the SGC and the government. Here's where that oddly placed scolding from the Pentagon man (in The Nox) ties in. Although in agreement with the SGC, Washington sends its big guns down to get a first hand look at the Stargate program and the team finds itself under very unfriendly fire.

Yet another earth-side thorn for the SGC, the pompous Senator Kinsey makes his insufferable debut. Bolstered by reports from the yes-man, Col. Samuels (Sam is very unimpressed by his promotion), Kinsey is all set to dismantle the program. Samuels' sour views on the missions seemed to make Kinsey overflow with malice and self-important bluster.

I always think of this episode as most memorable for the stand-off between Jack and Kinsey. Here's the man's man of military men, Col. Jack O'Neill in dress blues and medals so numerous they take up one whole side of his chest, whose poker face is second only to Teal'c (oh, and maybe Hammond) squaring off with a politician with delusions of power.

Opposing him is someone we immediately see is a puffed-up government persona, armed with a biased opinion of a scientific and extraterrestrial operation he's only read about. Oh, and who holds the keys to the bank that funds the SGC. Kinsey presents the confidence of someone with solid support for his views and any actions he might take. This, however, doesn't include the President of the USA, who wouldn't let him pull the plug unless he saw the program in person.

Just what was Kinsey's real beef with the program? He obviously read the reports that showed the menace waiting beyond the earth's little corner of the sky, but his heart is curiously hardened toward seeking solutions. Was he blinded by his jingoism? Or was he set on scoring some kind of notch against his very independent superior, the President?

In any case, his blithe assertion that the Goa'uld couldn't be so bad if SG-1 constantly bested them really upset the team. If Samuels and Kinsey couldn't get the dire peril SG-1 went through to make it back alive, then they clearly didn't want to get it. In effect, he was telling SG-1 that they did too well in surviving so there wasn't any need to worry.

A tense episode with some very solid, if inconclusive, arguments put on the table regarding the potential harm of Stargate travel. Threats from a plague (two plagues: The Touched, and the aging nanites), and Goa'uld were hard to dispute. But they did bring back useful intel on a powerful enemy. The Goa'uld weren't gods, didn't use magic or any supernatural means to dominate other worlds. More importantly, they could be killed with the right weapon.

As the team pointed out, the Goa'uld didn't even have to send an invading army, just torch the planet from orbit. Gate travel was still the best way to find weapons to use against them. No go; Kinsey flatly bulldozes their first hand experience. Daniel then discloses his recent trip to an alternate reality and the threat coming earth's way. It’s pooh-poohed; Kinsey departs in a huff having been confronted with Jack's battle persona. And when Samuels tries to have the last word, he's thrown out by Hammond in an unusual emotional outburst.

The episode closes on the fate of the SGC - it's shut down. A touching moment when the team gazes through the control room onto the quiet Gate, their one hope of defending the planet. Sad indeed.

I remember thinking as the final scene faded: what a lunk head! A typical desk jockey with power he inevitably used the wrong way. A well done earth side conflict that had no predictable conclusion for me, except that the team would prevail somehow. Good cliffhanger.

Other stuff:


Daniel drops the fact that Sam and Jack were engaged in the other universe.

"Let me get this straight. Engaged?" Jack asks, indicating Sam.
"it's theoretically possible,” Sam said, straight faced.
”It’s against regulations!”Jack exclaims in shock.
”I’m talking about the alternate reality,” Sam replied, this time a little bit self consciously.

As mentioned on the board, the timing and manner that RDA and AT play off each other is often magic. Jack looked so much like he was trying to picture such a scenario, while Sam did her best to try to skip over it. Classic play.


Kinsey casually posits that earth could just send out fighters to knock out the Goa’uld ships.
”Yeah, we’ll just upload a virus into the mothership.” Daniel said dryly.


More references to The Wizard of Oz when Daniel relates his ’trip.’
”And you were there, and you were there...”Jack quips as he points to each team member.


Hammond’s outburst at Samuels was very telling. Here was a seasoned military man ready to retire until the SGC program was reopened. This would have resulted in that retirement but it didn’t please him, not this way.


Rated 3/5

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 18th, 2011, 10:47 AM
Other stuff:


Daniel drops the fact that Sam and Jack were engaged in the other universe.

"Let me get this straight. Engaged?" Jack asks, indicating Sam.
"it's theoretically possible,” Sam said, straight faced.
”It’s against regulations!”Jack exclaims in shock.
”I’m talking about the alternate reality,” Sam replied, this time a little bit self consciously.



No, she says: "I'm talking physics, Sir." With a bit of bite, IMO.

I hate, hate, hate this episode. I never watch all of it.

Seaboe

hlndncr
September 18th, 2011, 01:59 PM
Opposing him is someone we immediately see is a puffed-up government persona, armed with a biased opinion of a scientific and extraterrestrial operation he's only read about. Oh, and who holds the keys to the bank that funds the SGC. Kinsey presents the confidence of someone with solid support for his views and any actions he might take. This, however, doesn't include the President of the USA, who wouldn't let him pull the plug unless he saw the program in person.

Just what was Kinsey's real beef with the program? He obviously read the reports that showed the menace waiting beyond the earth's little corner of the sky, but his heart is curiously hardened toward seeking solutions. Was he blinded by his jingoism? Or was he set on scoring some kind of notch against his very independent superior, the President?

I have to correct a misconception here. The President is not Kinsey's superior. They belong to constitutionally co-equal branches of the government. The President cannot order or forbid any member of Congress to do anything. As Kinsey points out, he chose to visit the SGC as a courtsey. Since the power of the purse constitutionally resides in Congress, Kinsey could have denied the funding without meeting with General Hammond and SG-1 regardless of the President's desires. So Jack was wrong. President does not outrank Senator.

Traveler Enroute1
September 20th, 2011, 10:28 AM
Whoop! Two corrections for one post - my record! :jack_new_anime07:


No, she says: "I'm talking physics, Sir." With a bit of bite, IMO.

I hate, hate, hate this episode. I never watch all of it.

Seaboe

Thanks, Seaboe. I tend to paraphrase but nothing nails it like the exact words. And oh, yeah, Sam shot that one back at him!



I have to correct a misconception here. The President is not Kinsey's superior. They belong to constitutionally co-equal branches of the government. The President cannot order or forbid any member of Congress to do anything. As Kinsey points out, he chose to visit the SGC as a courtsey. Since the power of the purse constitutionally resides in Congress, Kinsey could have denied the funding without meeting with General Hammond and SG-1 regardless of the President's desires. So Jack was wrong. President does not outrank Senator.

Nicely said, thanks, hlndncr. However, this episode is called Politics, and that's what's at play here. Constitutionally he may be considered part of the co-equal branch but practically, government is a tit-for-tat operation; one where hardline or soft fall outside the frames. Kinsey said the President asked him to see the SGC before deciding, but who knows what was at stake for Kinsey if he denied such a simple - nay, reasonable - request? On one hand, Kinsey was showing good face by taking on this trip; on the other, he was trying to get his way, IMO.

Jack's a military man. He accepts that it's the President who's Commander-in-Chief, not a senator. A lesson in politics and government for him, however: politics often gets in the way of the common good.

"How does a man like that get that kind of power?" Jack asked angrily.

"The Constitution of these United States," Hammond answered solemnly. To which Jack grudgingly agreed. Not with Kinsey's brick-headed stance, however. It's almost a shame that I know just how ambitious this man will show himself to be!

I agree with your statement. I also think that Jack had the popular perception that the president is THE man, and Congress has its place behind him. A touch of naivete on Jack's part, apparently believing that worthy men should have Kinsey's power. Anyone who can utter words like


"That which grows in the shadows but withers in the light of day, does not belong on the vine."

with a straight face didn't fit Jack's idea of responsible authority! (Cox created a memorable semi-villain for the team. Kudos to him.)

PS: hlndncr, don't know why the board won't let me green you (since yesterday, too) but I tried. This will do for now: :D :D :D

Noxbait
September 20th, 2011, 02:26 PM
(Cox created a memorable semi-villain for the team. Kudos to him.)

I totally agree! I love to hate Kinsey. :jack_new_anime25:

CMWriter
September 28th, 2011, 10:01 PM
Full review here (http://blogging-sg1.blogspot.com/2011/09/politics-1-x-21.html)...

I thought this was a pretty decent episode. It served its purpose well and Kinsey just makes me want to punt kittens -- or maybe punt him. Actually, I won't punt anything. I'll get Alex Henery or Brett Maher, the current kicker for the Nebraska Huskers, to do it. In fact, I think Brett Maher is in my residence hall. I'm going to find his door and order him to-

Oh, wait, this is about Stargate, not Husker Football. My bad.

I'm pretty sure nothing too bad is going to happen, but I'm really excited for the season finale nonetheless. What a cliffhanger so far!
Interesting insight into Teal'c, with his request to return to Chulak at the end. I'd like to think he's grown close to SG-1 (in fact, I'm almost positive he has) but he's a very purpose-driven individual.
Also, more development on Hammond.. that was nice. He certainly seems caught between what he feels and knows is right and what he is ordered to do. Looking forward to seeing more reactions from him and the rest of SG-1 (and all the other SG teams for that matter) in the finale.

lostmonkey70
October 11th, 2011, 02:47 PM
Eh, watching this all in quick sequence, this episode comes off as weak and unnecessary. Clipshow/10.

Lunaeclipse
October 12th, 2011, 10:37 PM
There is more to this than clips... It's also a springboard and a few other things...

lostmonkey70
October 13th, 2011, 08:04 PM
The stuff involving Kinsey and the potential shut down of Stargate(which I don't think is actually resolved, I think it just goes away at the end of the arc) could have been done in a non-clipshow way to make them seem more important.

Dimes
December 23rd, 2011, 09:08 AM
I hate those politic people, grrrr.

Darian
July 2nd, 2012, 11:11 PM
I hate those politic people, grrrr.
I so totally agree they are trying to ruin the SGC

Major Clanger
October 15th, 2012, 12:14 PM
I'm not a big fan of clip shows but this one served its purpose pretty well.

I wish they would give Kinsey a bit more of a personality or whatever. He does seem, based on this ep, to have some integrety. He absolutely wanted to close the SGC and to be honest they didn't really convince me that it should stay open, so to convince him... But he had promised the prez that he would listen to the arguments so he did.

Jack was completely insubordinate in a way he hates when junior ranks do to him, although I do admire his passion.

Alpaca
March 22nd, 2013, 07:34 PM
Oh this ep set me on edge and ticked me off. That senator.....wanna just reach out and slap him silly. And also, I don't enjoy clip shows so it was a double whammy for me. I only endured it so I could see the plot advancement, but it was quite painful.

Falcon Horus
May 24th, 2013, 02:51 AM
I'm not particularly a fan of clipshows, however Politics didn't really bother me that much. Of course, Kinsey should be thrown into a wormhole that leads no where... I applaud Jack's restraint not to shoot him on sight. :p

Even though it's a clipshow, it is a good set-up to the season finale... I'll give it that.

Vagabond Serpent
July 11th, 2013, 05:14 AM
Like I've said before, not that brilliant epsiode, but it was good when put together with other 4 in the arc, and it was also quite good for me on the first view, because I began watching SG-1 from The First Commandment and had no idea what the heck Jaffa is doing on the team until I saw the Politics episode... After first view though, it makes your best sleeping pill...

garhkal
July 16th, 2013, 01:41 PM
Yea, if you only started watching after children of the gods, it would be a great ep to get you caught up.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
July 18th, 2013, 06:41 AM
Garhkal, if you started watching after CotG, the only episode you missed was the pilot, and thus you'd've seen vast majority of the clips.

Seaboe

garhkal
July 18th, 2013, 02:01 PM
True but it was in relation to his mention of not knowing how tealc came into the team.

Scofield
July 21st, 2013, 11:07 AM
Well this episode thought me to HATE Kinsey, and to adore sg-1..even more. This was an episode which anticipated the future relations with the politics, awful of course. Don't want to talk only about the senator, but i am gonna do it, so let's see, what else could we tell about him...ooh i know: the ultimate insult would be to tell someone that he is a "Kinsey"...so congrats senator, you're a big fat Kinsey.

P.S.: Nice exchange of replies in the begginig betwen Jack and George H..(even when Hammond has said to O'Neill that that's how he looks when he is not smiling, good old Jack managed to got a smile over his face.)

AsgardGirl
September 15th, 2014, 07:08 AM
Not a fan of clip shows. This one was especially boring, only important for introducing Kinsey.

ngewakl
February 10th, 2015, 01:02 AM
Clip show. 2 stars. Politicians are stupid!

maneth
September 1st, 2015, 07:02 PM
The only purpose this episode serves is to set up the season finale. All that politicking was annoying to watch, especially as there was no suspense, as even first-time viewers in 1998 knew they wouldn't really bury the gate. By the time the episode aired, the show had already been greenlit for a second season.

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 3rd, 2015, 06:24 AM
IIRC, the show was greenlit for a second season before the first one started.

Seaboe

Anja
September 5th, 2015, 06:16 AM
It was interesting to study the ambassadors how they represented their countries. And I found it very amusing to see Thor pointing his index finger - that was so human!

Anja

Britta
September 5th, 2015, 06:18 AM
It was interesting to study the ambassadors how they represented their countries. And I found it very amusing to see Thor pointing his index finger - that was so human!

Anja

The episode you're thinking of is Disclosure from Season 6.

Anja
September 5th, 2015, 10:37 AM
Thanks so much - I mixed them up!!!!!
Sorrrrrrrrrry!!!!!!!!:(

maneth
September 5th, 2015, 08:26 PM
No worries, that happens. :)

Falcon Horus
November 27th, 2017, 12:30 PM
Oh my goddess, I'm about ready to throw something at the screen.

Senator Kinsey is such an a$$. Like he hadn't already made up his mind about closing the stargate and shutting down the program way before he even set foot in the facility.

They really should have thrown him head first onto that planet Jack mentioned -- for which I have forgotten the designation so you won't find it in the quiz either. :p

Also, I'm not really a fan of clipshows, especially not when you're rewatching 2-3 episodes a week. It's fine when they are like 1 a week but not when you're watching them right after the other. Anyhoodle, it's an okay set-up to the season finale so that's about the only redeeming quality it has.

How would you rate SG-1's "Politics?"

Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
Terrible

jelgate
November 29th, 2017, 03:00 PM
I have a rule about clip shows. It's what behind the clips that I judge. I understand the necessary evil for clip shows to save money so I try to look at what is behind the clips for the episode. That is why I do like this episode. Ronny Cox is really good at playing antagonists. Really the episode is him fighting SG1 and Hammond and I have always thought the actor does a good job of making a facade of sympathetic. This is a good for me

Falcon Horus
November 30th, 2017, 02:20 AM
In the Companion Book, Brad Wright says the same thing. He wrote the episode as an actual episode, which meant he had about 26 minutes of story -- Kinsey's hearing -- and the clips were added in to fit the rest.

Nevertheless, still not a fan.

Falcon Horus
December 3rd, 2017, 03:22 PM
For participation in the 3-episode quiz, dealing with Politics, Within The Serpent's Grasp and The Serpent's Lair -- this way please (https://goo.gl/forms/IqeiXsmjJk711ccj2).

Falcon Horus
December 3rd, 2017, 04:18 PM
Jigsaw puzzle's here!!

And I've kept it below 100 pieces this time. :p

It's a screengrab from my actual viewing and I had to pause the episode to go and pick up my sister from her ballet class. I paused at a moment in which Chris Judge's face does not correspond with the serious lines he's saying as Teal'c but it does scream for a good caption. So solve it, and give me your best caption! (https://www.jigidi.com/solve.php?id=R19F4FMU)

jelgate
December 3rd, 2017, 05:48 PM
4 minutes and 53 seconds

aretood2
December 9th, 2017, 04:04 PM
This was the first episode of Stargate SG-1 that I saw...so I was fortunate that it was a clip show and I didn't realize it as much at the time because of the 26 minutes of story. So I didn't question the clips but simply appreciated it. Looking back this was a good season 1 episode for me only because it set the stage for the following two parter. Not to mention SG-1's court martial offense.

aretood2
December 9th, 2017, 04:13 PM
7 Minutes...it's because there was a piece that I thought was attached but it actually wasn't...it threw me off for two whole minutes >.>

Falcon Horus
December 12th, 2017, 03:51 AM
7 Minutes...it's because there was a piece that I thought was attached but it actually wasn't...it threw me off for two whole minutes >.>

I admit, I too hate it when I get confused like that.

jelgate
December 12th, 2017, 04:58 AM
The puzzle master doesn't make such mistakes

Falcon Horus
January 13th, 2018, 01:54 PM
Gosh, took too long -- 8:31

BethHG
June 14th, 2018, 09:08 PM
8:58

Good episode.

Ronny Knox is excellent at acting Senator Kinsey, and Senator Kinsey is a character that we love to hate.

Daniel just needs to learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes.

Jack "Engaged?" :lol:

Clip shows are okay, but I like them better after more than one season. However, SG1 did a good job with the set up for the season finale.

Falcon Horus
June 15th, 2018, 09:26 AM
Clip shows are okay, but I like them better after more than one season. However, SG1 did a good job with the set up for the season finale.

I like them even less in rewatches because I would have only just seen all the episodes that are clipped so no... always dreading their arrival.

photoglyph
June 17th, 2018, 04:02 PM
12:25; speed eludes me.

And I realize I am just a softy on ye olde Gate. I love this episode -guess I have no truck with clip shows. I like Ronny Cox, he ended up a bit of a character actor, he played a similar role in ST:TNG as Admiral Jellicote(?) I remembered he was in 'Apple's Way' in '74 when I was pretty young. Lorimar Productions -they made 'The Waltons' as well, which I remember watching. The actress that played Mary Ellen, Judy Norton Taylor, went on to guest star in SG-1 as Talia in 'In the Line of Duty.'

I rate it Good.

photoglyph
June 17th, 2018, 04:03 PM
Gosh, took too long -- 8:31

Relax, it took me a third longer.... (le sigh)

BethHG
June 17th, 2018, 04:56 PM
Relax, it took me a third longer.... (le sigh)

I don't even try to compete FH and jelgate anymore. I like taking my time. :)

jelgate
June 17th, 2018, 05:21 PM
That sounds like loser talk

BethHG
June 17th, 2018, 08:00 PM
Not necessarily, just someone that likes to smell the flowers, OR takes her time with puzzles.

:D

Falcon Horus
June 18th, 2018, 12:27 PM
I don't even try to compete FH and jelgate anymore. I like taking my time. :)

All the time, you should take. (Yoda says)


Not necessarily, just someone that likes to smell the flowers, OR takes her time with puzzles.
:D

:lol:

Who Knows
September 4th, 2018, 12:03 AM
8.02

AleksisMi
September 4th, 2018, 06:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09TySF0FN6Y

Seaboe Muffinchucker
September 4th, 2018, 07:48 AM
AleksisMi, please say why you want us to watch that video. Thank you.

Seaboe

hedwig
September 4th, 2018, 12:37 PM
7:28

AleksisMi
September 6th, 2018, 06:55 PM
oh im sorry its a review on a character from .... staaarr treeek.... one who is played by the same actor, of meckenzee, it points out how his character appears to be one thing and turns out to be another thing in star trek, since people were expressing frustration with meckenzee but love of his actor it seems rather an appropriately thoughtful and appreciative link for people to watch of how his characters have surprisingly about-turns or false appearences of who or what they are sometimes in context to the story

AleksisMi
September 6th, 2018, 06:56 PM
i always enjoyed that link because he is horribly frustrating in that episode too

lunasera
November 28th, 2018, 11:05 PM
I sometimes skip this one when rewatching the 4 episode arc, but just watched it again, and despite it being a loathed clip show, it has some good drama. The name of the episode is perfect, and it pretty accurately reflects the ludicrousy of our politics. The Jack/Kinsey showdown is fairly epic! It certainly fills a needed place between TBFTGOG and WTSG.

Falcon Horus
November 29th, 2018, 03:36 AM
I sometimes skip this one when rewatching the 4 episode arc, but just watched it again, and despite it being a loathed clip show, it has some good drama. The name of the episode is perfect, and it pretty accurately reflects the ludicrousy of our politics. The Jack/Kinsey showdown is fairly epic! It certainly fills a needed place between TBFTGOG and WTSG.

Politics is as Politics does, I guess. :p

Chaka-Z0
November 29th, 2018, 07:03 AM
Politics is as Politics does, I guess. :p

*raises finger*

Supreme Politics :D

Spimman
December 4th, 2018, 06:21 AM
Forgot how much I hate Senator Kinsey

Falcon Horus
December 5th, 2018, 12:57 AM
Forgot how much I hate Senator Kinsey

LOL! When realization hits... :p

Platschu
December 11th, 2018, 12:07 PM
Maybe it is my dirty mind, but his name always reminded me to A. Kinsey, the famous sexologist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey

Falcon Horus
December 11th, 2018, 02:46 PM
Dirty minds are dirty. :p

:lol:

jelgate
December 11th, 2018, 02:54 PM
FH is a hypocrite:P

Chaka-Z0
December 11th, 2018, 03:18 PM
Maybe it is my dirty mind, but his name always reminded me to A. Kinsey, the famous sexologist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kinsey

You need to update your kinks :lol:

Falcon Horus
December 12th, 2018, 12:06 AM
FH is a hypocrite:P

I plead the 5th. :cool:

Platschu
December 12th, 2018, 01:16 PM
*shame* *shame* *shame*

I am happy to hear you grabbed the most important part of my comment. I try to educate people with random fun facts. :P

P.S.: "maybe the most important part" is not right in this conversation...

lunasera
December 12th, 2018, 05:27 PM
4 minutes and 53 seconds

4.42 I believe Teal'c's expression is from seeing me beat jelgate :cool:

Chaka-Z0
December 13th, 2018, 05:20 AM
*shame* *shame* *shame*

I am happy to hear you grabbed the most important part of my comment. I try to educate people with random fun facts. :P

P.S.: "maybe the most important part" is not right in this conversation...

:lol:

Keep em going Plat!

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 13th, 2018, 06:25 AM
I plead the 5th. :cool:

So, you're making use of the U.S. Constitution even though you're not an American? I didn't know you could do that. ;)

Seaboe

lunasera
December 13th, 2018, 07:27 AM
So, you're making use of the U.S. Constitution even though you're not an American? I didn't know you could do that. ;)

Seaboe

She's just pleading the 5th race

Falcon Horus
December 14th, 2018, 01:22 AM
So, you're making use of the U.S. Constitution even though you're not an American? I didn't know you could do that. ;)

Wait for it, I'm sure we have an amendment in our English/French/Dutch inspired constitution... hang on...


...I have the right to remain silent.

Sounds less cool than pleading the 5th. :p

For anyone interested, I give you the Belgian Constitution (http://www.partylaw.leidenuniv.nl/party-law/4c8b5e51-c490-454c-8582-16387287acdc.pdf) (in PDF).