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GateWorld
July 5th, 2011, 07:21 PM
<DIV ALIGN="center"><TABLE WIDTH="450" BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="7"><TR><TD STYLE="border: none;"><DIV ALIGN="left"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, san-serif" SIZE="2" COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/torchwood/s4/the-blood-line/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/the-blood-line-160x120.jpg" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="120" ALIGN="right" HSPACE="10" VSPACE="2" BORDER="0" STYLE="border: 1px black solid;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#888888">TORCHWOOD: MIRACLE DAY</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 410</FONT>
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The team zeroes in on the Blessing in Shanghai and Buenos Aires, while the CIA draws closer to identifying the mole in their midst. The Families plan to bury the Blessing to maintain the Miracle indefinitely as part of a larger plan, unaware that the only weapon capable of stopping them is about to walk in the door: Captain Jack Harkness.

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jameshawking
September 9th, 2011, 07:59 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS

YES YES YES YES YES YES


I KNEW IT

The moment it was a "season finale" I KNEW IT WOULD BE AMAZING

I even did the Jack Harkness gasp when Rex woke up again


I CANNOT WAIT

Spimman
September 9th, 2011, 10:05 PM
^ What :confused:

So we still barely learned anything about "the family" who I guess is just human, they weren't caught, Rex is now immortal and that was a good ending?

Part of me is just happy to have one final season of Torchwood, and if I don't try to think too hard, it was fun, but the part of me that loved Torchwood before was disappointed with this season that went on so long and barely resolved anything.

Hope to see Jack again, maybe on Doctor Who

jameshawking
September 9th, 2011, 10:53 PM
Spimann, you really don't think they're putting together, or at least have plans for, a second season?

<< the entire last 15 minutes of the episode was "HEY! We're setting up a second season!"

Course they might go and not make one, but it clearly seems like they're planning on one.

morbosfist
September 9th, 2011, 11:15 PM
Spimman has it down. For a finale, we didn't really learn much of anything.

The Family has vagueish world domination plans, which they don't really elaborate on that well. It comes off as somewhat cartoonish villainy, because they don't present any rational or beneficial motive for this behavior. It's like they just up and decided to be complete jerks on a worldwide scale. The Plan B bit was also a complete tease if they don't continue the series.

The Blessing I can understand being a mystery. I honestly didn't expect a straight answer about it. Jack isn't the Doctor, so it's not like he'd know. They even foreshadowed it with the monkeys on the other side of the world bit early in the season.

I liked Danes, though. I'm glad they didn't do the death redemption thing.

avidffan
September 10th, 2011, 01:39 AM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS

YES YES YES YES YES YES


I KNEW IT

The moment it was a "season finale" I KNEW IT WOULD BE AMAZING

I even did the Jack Harkness gasp when Rex woke up again


I CANNOT WAIT

i did that too
but i started saying out loud hell yes as well
and got up to tell my wife
but she was asleep
so i came here
cos i had to share

i see it like this
the only image of rex the blessing had ever know was of him with jacks immortal blood in him
so it reset everything back thinking rex was the same as jack

i wonder if the family is related to the family boold from doctor who
they were both after the same thing control of a great force with witch to control things

knowles2
September 10th, 2011, 07:08 AM
Another season is almost certain. One Torchwood match Camelot ratings. But unlike Camelot or any other programmes which Starz could replace Torchwood with it has been given a lot of nice Tax breaks which are non transferable. Which will make what look like a fairly cheap programme to produce even cheaper for starz. The BBC and Starz got a multi year long contract. An I also read that Jack and Gwen at the very lease have both sign multi year long contracts to work on the show. One of the biggest problems with produce another season of Camelot was reassembling the casts.

If they have to cut costs further, an episode or two being cut could always been arrange. Miracle day could have done with fewer episodes and a tighter storyline anyway.

To me it sound like nothing was resolve by the end of the episode, through I have not watch it yet. I might down load now, depending on what my internet allowance is.

Spimman
September 10th, 2011, 12:26 PM
I'm not against a second season, but I'm not crazy about a continuation of this season...it was my least favorite TW season, it was had too much uninteresting space.

jameshawking
September 10th, 2011, 01:02 PM
well, i screamed and hollered as well.

I actually had to turn off the encore episode, lest I shout at 1am in the morning when Rex comes back again.

Nth Chevron
September 11th, 2011, 08:48 AM
I was more shocked by Ester dying than Rex waking up, i was waiting for something to happen there as i dont think they would've pressed reset after 1 season again.

Despite various online comments i quite liked Rex and Ester as characters, i will agree they were a little shallow and wooden in some areas but they both showed great promise, especially Ester who was just starting to come into her own :(

Why couldnt that *******ed red-head with beauty you could wipe of with a kleenex bite it :(

N.C

Cairistiona
September 11th, 2011, 08:54 AM
I would have liked it as any sci-fi series, but I didn't really like it as TW. Maybe if it had less episodes. I'm fine with no explanation for The Blessing (or is it related to the Total Perspective Vortex from 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'?), but a bit more about The Families would have been nice.
And what bothered me was the music, normally I like it, but here it was too much and too loud when they were talking, for me as a non-native-speaker it was sometimes difficult to understand what they were saying.

Krisz
September 11th, 2011, 10:54 AM
As someone who had never got into Torchwood before, this season was a good entertaining story in itself. I probably enjoyed it more not knowing much about Torchwood.

I liked the ending with Rex, a nice surprise. glad the CIA mole got her comeuppance, and, as expected Jack kept his immortality.

Loved to hate character Jilly Kitszinger survived, she was so wonderfully annoying! The agent of the 'family' that she meets in the park kept reminding me of Agent Barrett in SG-1 for some reason! Some actors just really look the part of stereotypical secret agents I guess! :p

I tried watching Torchwood a couple of years ago and found Gwen to be really annoying as a character and that's what put me off, but this time round she was really good.

This season gave a good emotional rollercoaster ride as far as how the lack of death is dealt with and how human existence was redefined. Even though it was annoying that we didn't find out much about the motivation of the 'families' behind all this, the effects of their 'first phase' were horrific. If indeed we get to see what the second phase will be, I will certainly tune in for that.

MasySyma
September 11th, 2011, 11:09 AM
Finally a Torchwood Finale that didn't sink into sillyness. The show's first two seasons were weak. The third was much improved but had weak ending and the weakest death of a character ever. Season 4 finally got it right. We don't need masses of info on the Family. We'll learn more if they return. We got action, drama, good character development, and awesome setup/ending if the show does not or does return that explains Bo Kind in Who.

A 10/10! Torchwood finally got one right.

gulthaw
September 11th, 2011, 11:02 PM
I cannot believe what I'm reading... people giving it a 10!?

I guess everyone who liked is from the states, for me (european) the whole season is horrible.

Bad acting (Rex is unbearable), bad writing (the CIA and FBI are really stupid), the "explanations" are silly... it's almost worst than Andromeda 5th season or the last episode of Galactica.

But well, I suppose that's what happens when americans play with british sci-fi. Please, leave it alone, don't do anything else with Torchwood.

Episode:: 3/10
Season: 2/10

jameshawking
September 11th, 2011, 11:41 PM
I was expecting someone to say american sci-fi sucked in here.

Surprised it took this long.

I'm happy that the season is over, honestly, though I really enjoyed it. Gwen Cooper was, frankly....obnoxious and useless as a character, in my eyes. She contributed nothing the entire way, and was more a hindrance to the team than esther could ever be.

MIZA
September 12th, 2011, 02:48 AM
great episode , great miniseries too , so what happens next ? and poor Esther , but wow for Rex

Flyboy
September 12th, 2011, 09:35 AM
I cannot believe what I'm reading... people giving it a 10!?

I guess everyone who liked is from the states, for me (european) the whole season is horrible.

Bad acting (Rex is unbearable), bad writing (the CIA and FBI are really stupid), the "explanations" are silly... it's almost worst than Andromeda 5th season or the last episode of Galactica.

But well, I suppose that's what happens when americans play with british sci-fi. Please, leave it alone, don't do anything else with Torchwood.

Episode:: 3/10
Season: 2/10

But the CIA *ARE* stupid... ;) Seriously. Poisoning Castro's beard. Look it up.

I quite liked it, and I'm as British as they come, thank you. But, I will agree, it was not a patch on Children of Earth, and I agree it had a lot of Americanisation to it, though this episode had notably less than some. Bottom line, if I hated American sci-fi, I would detest Stargate, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica etc etc. I don't. Torchwood Miracle Day wasn't as diabolically British as I might have liked, but I still enjoyed it.


I was expecting someone to say american sci-fi sucked in here.

Surprised it took this long.


American sci-fi doesn't suck, but there is a particular TYPE of American Sci-Fi that, imo, does. Just like there's a particular type of British comedy that is, imo, dire.

gulthaw
September 12th, 2011, 11:14 AM
I was expecting someone to say american sci-fi sucked in here.

Surprised it took this long.



So, you didn't realized I was mentioning other sci-fi series.

I'm not british and my favourite SciFi is StarTrek:TNG (followed by Farscape, SGA and Firefly) so I don't have a problem with american sci-fi, but Miracle Day was plain horrible, or as we say in Spain, unsmokable.

Krisz
September 12th, 2011, 04:31 PM
I cannot believe what I'm reading... people giving it a 10!?

I guess everyone who liked is from the states, for me (european) the whole season is horrible.

Bad acting (Rex is unbearable), bad writing (the CIA and FBI are really stupid), the "explanations" are silly... it's almost worst than Andromeda 5th season or the last episode of Galactica.

But well, I suppose that's what happens when americans play with british sci-fi. Please, leave it alone, don't do anything else with Torchwood.

Episode:: 3/10
Season: 2/10

I'm an ex-pat Brit and I liked it! Then again as with everything it's horses for courses. :)

I grew up and hid behind the sofa with the old Dr Who, pre 1986, just can't deal with the new one, it's unwatchable for me!

British sci-fi always suffered from lack of money and interest on the whole by the Beeb and ITV I always felt. In some ways it made for more thoughtful and fantastically written sci fi drama, making do with a lot less such as with the totally brilliant 'Sapphire and Steel' to give an example. It's when they tried to do more, effects or gadget wise and try and add some 'American' style with the same money things went wrong for me, 'Blake's 7' comes to mind, along with 'The Tomorrow People'.. ugh!

US shows always had more money, so conversely many got away that had abysmal dialogue and pretty awful concepts. In many cases the effects were better and dazzled with the 'pretty shiny things' to some extent. :p

So, I guess I liked 'Miracle Day' because it mixed the two in a way, and it worked for this viewer! :D

mathpiglet
September 12th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Although I did find the explanations a bit off, and the whole blessing thing a bit weird, I did like the set up for the next season.

Rex coming back to life at the end was so Highlander, I figured someone would hand him a sword.

LtColCarter
September 12th, 2011, 05:28 PM
FINALLY got to see the season finale of MD...Loved it! :D I'm glad we got Jack back and now he has an immortal buddy! ;) I really hope this isn't the last season of TW.

jameshawking
September 12th, 2011, 09:16 PM
Note:

There are now two immortals <<

could Rex be the face of Boe, taking up the name in honor of Jack?

Archaeis
September 13th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Note:

There are now two immortals <<

could Rex be the face of Boe, taking up the name in honor of Jack?

Face of Boe did say to the Doctor "We will meet a 3rd and final time" Rex hasn't met the Doctor and Jack has a few times. And RTD created the face of Boe and Miracle Day. Who knows?

Matt G
September 15th, 2011, 03:21 PM
1. Was wondering what the Spanish was initially then...kabooma.

2. Not a bad use of Oswald.

3. Good switch work.

4. OK...so Rex is immortal...pretty sure that means we got another season.

Teddybrown
September 15th, 2011, 05:19 PM
Wow! Those last 15 - 20mins! Bloody hell!
Started off slowly, but by the end I was gripped, didnt expect the blood transfusion, but when Rex was shot, I was like Noooo! then I thought, nah, he will probs come back as he had come back before...
Glad the CIA traitor ended up getting rooted out dieing, was hoping she would be killed because I thought she would get away with it when she attended Esthers funeral.
Sad about Esther, but thought she would be the one to die and also the CIA team, quite liked the CIA leader and the office team...
Glad thy made Oswald go back to the way he was...
Abit disappointed that we didnt learn more about the Family, but as people are saying, it did feel like they were setting up for a 2nd season.
So many bits made me cheer for the goodies (lol) like when Rex revealed they could stop it, when Rex threw that man over the balcony, when Oswald got his moment and gave that speech(great acting from Bill Pullman)then blew himself up, the catfight in the lift between Gwen and Kitzinger, when the soldier came back for Rex and Esther, when Rex realised the traitor was Charlotte and she was killed and even though i suspected it abit, when Rex came back to life.
Also, a nice amount of comedy lines too, like 'World War 2, what did you do to me?'
Overall, I think it was a pretty good season, some ups and downs, but I quite enjoyed it. Hopefully we get a 5th (or 2nd) season!

I really want to do a 10th episode and season rewatch now to see how the whole season flows watching it in one go, but Im going to bed, Ill do that on the weekend.

mr_kennedy
September 15th, 2011, 06:38 PM
I seemed to remember one of those cat ladies saying about the face of beau that his the last of his kind or something like that.... so it kind of makes sense that there is another like jack

when first hearing that line i was like oh well shes just saying that because he is the only one she has seen but now it kinda makes sense

Good Season for the most part! it seemed a little bit rushed in places but i mostly liked it

Teddybrown
September 16th, 2011, 03:00 PM
Is it just me or did something stand out about the Family Agent guys eyes at the end?

Skydiver
September 16th, 2011, 05:41 PM
oh yeah. very, very blue

SaberBlade
September 19th, 2011, 08:36 AM
I'm still torn on the immortality of Rex.

Good way to have a US-centric Torchwood spinoff without relying on Jack, Gwen and potentially even RDA, but it's the method behind it. I can't help but feel that despite Jack's numerous (and correct) claims about his blood being normal/nothing to do with his powers, that they'll try passing it off as the reason Rex is immortal.

I thought it was bad enough they tried using it as the reason everyone stopped dying, and I'd bet good money that they planned to turn all of humanity into Rex as the Miracle was just step 1.

It's definitely an ending left open for a new series, so I hope Starz is willing to have a continued presence in the Torchwood as I'd be willing to watch more of the series even if the BBC wants less involvement.

LtColCarter
September 21st, 2011, 10:04 AM
More TW is always good! :D

rkgardner2003
July 9th, 2014, 05:43 PM
I just finished season 4. I have to admit I had a hard time getting through. I really loved seasons 1 & 2, season 3 was good but something was off for me in season 4. I guess the switch to Starz from BBC just changed the feel for me. I wonder if they can give us some Captain Jack in the new Doctor Who series, but I won't hold me breath!