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GateWorld
July 5th, 2011, 07:11 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 405</FONT>
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Gwen returns home to track down her father, while Dr. Juarez joins Torchwood's fight after the government announces a plan to categorize the dead and relocate them to mandatory camps. Rex uses his injury to infiltrate one of the camps, and Oswald Danes attends a "Miracle Rally."

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Skydiver
August 5th, 2011, 07:56 PM
wow

well i had a really bad feeling how things were going to work out. Figured it couldn't be simple warehousing of bodies.

still, who's behind it? and why? misguided population control? a brutal way to 'fix' the miracle? or some other horrible purpose?

they're not harvesting the bodies in any way, they're jut getting rid of the 'dead' (and seemingly being too generous in putting people in cat 3.

morbosfist
August 5th, 2011, 08:20 PM
Wow, indeed. Did not see that coming.

Category 1 doesn't serve any purpose if they don't need diseases. If you don't need them but need the room, disposal is the obvious choice. So, if they don't need 1s and 3s are everyday people, then 2s must serve a purpose. Hosts, maybe?

Flyboy
August 6th, 2011, 04:05 AM
Average episode, with a phenomenal ending. I mean, seriously, that was chilling. Absolutely chilling.

DigiFluid
August 6th, 2011, 06:36 AM
Average episode, with a phenomenal ending. I mean, seriously, that was chilling. Absolutely chilling.
My thoughts exactly. Poor Vera :S:(

LtColCarter
August 6th, 2011, 10:44 AM
Wow...I couldn't believe how this one ended. When I saw Vera get shot...I was like OMG...she's gonna be a level 1...and sure enough she was. I had no earthly idea that those chambers were furnaces. I wonder how they pulled off getting the whole world to agree to this method? I don't know what kind of civil rights laws other countries may have, but what about the US citizens civil rights? In the preview for next week, it looks like Gwen is back with a vengeance!

Skydiver
August 6th, 2011, 11:49 AM
I don't nkow if the governments actually know what's going on in there. All they care about is that Phicorp is taking care of the 'should be dead' and they don't have to. By the time they find out, they'll never admit to knowing or want it known. they'll just cook up the story that, once the miracle was over, all these people died as they were meant to but due to contamination teh bodies can't be released.

it's like, in their pursuit of jack, there are billions of collateral damage, and instead of letting hte overload destroy Earth, they're getting rid of them (burning them to ash i guess, surely that won't reanimate...although i recall Jack reanimating from some state close to that)

so it seems, in my interpretation anyway, the 'miracle' is some sort of attack on Jack with billions of people caught up in the fight. And the camps as a way to control that (they do have a point, diseases that never die with the patient? infections that rage beyond antibiotics ever killing them, people condemned to live forever with grievous injuries, it's horror)

Cairistiona
August 6th, 2011, 02:14 PM
wow...my first word after the end.

When they are after Jack, maybe they are after the reason why he can't die? Yes, I know, it has to do with the TARDIS, but do they know that?

And still we don't know who are they.

I loved the scene with Gwen and her daughter: 'So much pink, so cute!' :D

Skydiver
August 6th, 2011, 06:54 PM
didn't jack get unstuck in time or something like that???

morbosfist
August 6th, 2011, 08:01 PM
More accurately, he's "fixed". From now till the end of time (barring the Face of Boe), he'll exist.

General Jumper One
August 6th, 2011, 08:56 PM
That soldier is stupid, what kind of soldier allows an unstable man to get his gun and shoot someone not once but twice! Just goes to show that there is only one Ronald Greer.

morbosfist
August 6th, 2011, 11:09 PM
Obviously not a very good one. He seemed to be under the impression that he'd get blamed along with Carl.

Skydiver
August 7th, 2011, 12:51 PM
he seemed less a soldier and more a 'civilian given a uniform and gun with no idea what to do with either'

no soldier that'd gone through basic would have allowed the dude to keep the weapon

Krisz
August 7th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Wow, for me too! One of the most shocking moments with the burnings, especially Vera's harrowing suffering when shot, we can't call it death here can we?!!!! This got me in the same way as Riley's death in SGU, hard to watch.

The tension of fear and confusion is played so well in this show. Even governments and people in the supposed front line at the camps not knowing the whole extent of what the catergorisation of people really means. Out of sight out of mind is the easy way out as always!!! Phicore offered a practical solution, what a relief! It just all makes me shudder how easily everyone is accepting this.

I think that soldier was plain scared, taken up in the horror of it all and lost all rational thought. The head administrator of the US "concentration camp," to quote Gwen, struck me as having gone insane by shutting out the horror as he couldn't really do anything about it. Besides, life is cheap now there is no death, and how quickly the noble concept of the sanctity of life slides into oblivion when things get ugly and difficult, and people are scared. Chilling stuff indeed!

the fifth man
August 7th, 2011, 07:29 PM
This episode went places I wasn't expecting it too. Some deep stuff. I can't wait to see where they end up taking things from here.

LoneStar1836
August 8th, 2011, 10:22 AM
Average episode, with a phenomenal ending. I mean, seriously, that was chilling. Absolutely chilling.Ditto.

What a horrific way to die. I'd think this is one of a few brutal ways to actually kill people and have them stay dead. Though I think there has got to be something more to this than mere disposal. Miracle Day is turning into a nightmare. Being immortal has rather lost its appeal. :S

Spimman
August 8th, 2011, 10:44 AM
Overall this was the weakest epiusode so far, with a few noteworthy features. The big one being, Jack seemed a little more back in his role when he was having Oswald chase him down those halls...although the end result was a bit of a let down. The ending was good, but overall this episode was a bit slow.

I'm wondering what happens to the consciousness of the person who was put into the oven? I'm thinking some(one\thing) is harvesting the undieing consciousnesses of the people being put into the oven. If you feed on life forces but would normally have to kill to get the, this is the perfect solution!

Lahela
August 8th, 2011, 02:09 PM
I'm sorry, I mean no offence to those who are actually enjoying this, but I'm more and more disappointed with every ep. This isn't Torchwood. Gwen rules, Rhys is Rhys, Rex is great, the blonde chick continues to irritate the bejeezus out of me and Vera was great but... this isn't Captain Jack Harkness. This is some pathetic ****** version of a once great character, all OTT gay quips rather than the sexy flirt we once knew, the guy who is utterly clueless rather than the savvy guy who had a plan. This is a Hollywood-style sci-fi-lite thing with the Torchwood name attached in a vain attempt at credibility.

I'll keep watching, but only in the hope that Torchwood will magically reappear at some point. :(

General Jumper One
August 8th, 2011, 02:11 PM
I'm sorry, I mean no offence to those who are actually enjoying this, but I'm more and more disappointed with every ep. This isn't Torchwood. Gwen rules, Rhys is Rhys, Rex is great, the blonde chick continues to irritate the bejeezus out of me and Vera was great but... this isn't Captain Jack Harkness. This is some pathetic ****** version of a once great character, all OTT gay quips rather than the sexy flirt we once knew, the guy who is utterly clueless rather than the savvy guy who had a plan. This is a Hollywood-style sci-fi-lite thing with the Torchwood name attached in a vain attempt at credibility.

I'll keep watching, but only in the hope that Torchwood will magically reappear at some point. :(

Sorry to hear that it disappoints you, I'm really enjoying it.

Lahela
August 8th, 2011, 02:12 PM
Like Rex said, "Torchwood is gone, Torchwood is just a name."

ETA: I'm not going to become a basher - I expressed disappointment but I'm not a hater, just sad. I'll be back in this section when I find more to love.

Gollumpus
August 9th, 2011, 05:56 PM
I'm sorry, I mean no offence to those who are actually enjoying this, but I'm more and more disappointed with every ep. This isn't Torchwood. Gwen rules, Rhys is Rhys, Rex is great, the blonde chick continues to irritate the bejeezus out of me and Vera was great but... this isn't Captain Jack Harkness. This is some pathetic ****** version of a once great character, all OTT gay quips rather than the sexy flirt we once knew, the guy who is utterly clueless rather than the savvy guy who had a plan. This is a Hollywood-style sci-fi-lite thing with the Torchwood name attached in a vain attempt at credibility.

I'll keep watching, but only in the hope that Torchwood will magically reappear at some point. :(

Pretty much my feelings on this show. It seems like a weak, North American clone of a hit British show. The humour isn't as crisp, and I have a feeling that the story could have been wrapped up a lot sooner, but is being dragged out to fill the required number of episodes.

I will continue to watch it as there isn't much else on, but I do find myself often watching it over my shoulder as I am doing something else.

regards,
G.

Matt G
August 11th, 2011, 02:39 PM
1. Well, the action was going to switch back to the UK at some point.

2. Mortal or immortal, Jack's always going to want to be da man.

3. Credit to Oswald, he's not going to answer to anybody.

4. "Revelation" = ?

5. Will fire actually kill those peeps?

morbosfist
August 11th, 2011, 03:36 PM
Better hope fire kills those peeps, or ghosts will soon find themselves facing the same overpopulation problem as the living.

Skydiver
August 11th, 2011, 06:08 PM
revelation will lead to 'it's the rapture and second coming' and ripe for someone - oswald - to play the role of christ

I'm hoping fire kills those folks, but i'm remembering an episode of torchwood when Jack's body was decimated and it eventually reanimated

the thing is....it takes sustained 3000 degrees + to cremate a body, and even then there are still bigger bone pieces left, crematoriums have to smash them to turn it all to the 'dust' people expect (and to avoid the gore of getting back a recognizable piece.

I honestly don't see how those containers can get hot enough, long enough to fully burn those bodies to the point of ashes. There's too much stuff and clutter in there....not to mention those metal shelves that really need to melt.

if we had the tech and they could pull it off, the only way I could truly think of to destroy the bodies would be to put them on a rocket and shoot them into the sun.....but the tech isn't there.

General Jumper One
August 11th, 2011, 08:12 PM
if we had the tech and they could pull it off, the only way I could truly think of to destroy the bodies would be to put them on a rocket and shoot them into the sun.....but the tech isn't there.

Or throw them into active lava pits or volcanoes. That might work.

Skydiver
August 12th, 2011, 03:37 AM
good point that might work as well. and there are a handful of open stable lava pits in the world. 6 i think.

Gollumpus
August 12th, 2011, 01:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

regards,
G.

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 18th, 2011, 03:05 AM
Sorry to hear that it disappoints you, I'm really enjoying it.

Agreed.

Miracle Day has actually, against all odds, got me back into Torchwood after I abandoned the show in Season One. I love this new style and every new ep this series has me captivated. Really hope it sticks if Torchwood returns for future series'.

Spimman
August 18th, 2011, 05:54 AM
5. Will fire actually kill those peeps?

I'm still thinking this is the KEY question we need to consider. We know their bodies were turned to dust, but does their consciousness still live? Is this being harvested?

Maybe not, but it seems like a possibility.

Matt G
August 18th, 2011, 08:15 AM
Of course the question then becomes "who would want to harvest people's consciousness like that?".

Spimman
August 18th, 2011, 09:53 AM
Of course the question then becomes "who would want to harvest people's consciousness like that?".

No idea, and it's just my best theory. An alien race that consumes consciousness at the point of death. If they created this to force us to put our own people to death than it gives them an unending supply of food, where under normal life cycles the human race would fight to survive.

mrkarlis
September 28th, 2011, 01:49 PM
So, I just started watching Miracle Day this week and I've got to the 5th episode.
I really enjoy this show, but there is one thing that really bugged me watching The Categories of Life -
as I remember from previous episodes (which I watched yesterday) humans could not become unconscious, no matter how badly they're damaged. I think some doctor even stated it. And there was that blown-up assasin in the first ep who's head was cut off yet he still had his eyes open and looking, and in ep 4 that Tea Party lady got compressed together with a car and she remained conscious (well, her eye atleast). But now in ep 5 people have suddenly become able to be unconscious.
Do you think this is a plot hole or am I really just not getting something?