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GateWorld
July 5th, 2011, 07:10 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 404</FONT>
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Torchwood goes to Los Angeles to attempt a risky operation inside PhiCorp's headquarters, unaware that someone is watching them. A U.S. politician launches a campaign arguing that those who should be dead should be treated as dead, and the government sets up a facility to shut in the diseased.

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morbosfist
July 29th, 2011, 11:26 PM
Well, the trailers certainly deceived us, making that new movement look all important. Still, big developments. Now we know they're building to something, and this enigmatic reference to Jack. It seems like whoever's behind this wants a buildup of patients, draining resources and such.

DigiFluid
July 29th, 2011, 11:27 PM
Now we're finally getting somewhere....can't wait to hear more about the orchestrators of all this and what their endgame is!

LtColCarter
July 29th, 2011, 11:45 PM
Thought it was another excellent episode. Seems like we're moving forward with this one. I like how Oswald took the spot light off of that senator (I think she was a senator).

DigiFluid
July 30th, 2011, 07:47 AM
Unless I missed something, I don't think she held any office. I think she was just a loudmouth.

Cairistiona
July 30th, 2011, 11:50 AM
Liked it very much. It seems to have to do something with Jack. And the voice in the car with the woman in the press said something like 'We are everywhere!'

LtColCarter
July 30th, 2011, 03:00 PM
Unless I missed something, I don't think she held any office. I think she was just a loudmouth.

I thought she was some sort of politician.

morbosfist
July 30th, 2011, 05:05 PM
She wasn't a politician, just a mother with charisma.

MasySyma
July 30th, 2011, 05:13 PM
Actually, the episode says the women in the car at the end, is a small town mayor trying to make a name for herself.

Overall, the episode was fantastic; I never expected Torchwood to produce a 4/4 run of fabulousness. I want to know when this season will be on DVD. It's a must have.

LtColCarter
July 30th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Actually, the episode says the women in the car at the end, is a small town mayor trying to make a name for herself.

Overall, the episode was fantastic; I never expected Torchwood to produce a 4/4 run of fabulousness. I want to know when this season will be on DVD. It's a must have.

So, she is a politician...just not as high up on the political ladder as I though.

Flyboy
July 31st, 2011, 09:34 AM
Great ep, but I think is a prime example of the Americanisation of the series. The first few clips with the assasin in the car trailing Esther were filmed in an extremely American, almost CIS, kinda way...

It might not be noticable to US viewers, but certainly I feel it is to British viewers.

LtColCarter
July 31st, 2011, 01:06 PM
IDK...I just think people are looking for reasons to complain. Besides...after this season there may not be a reason to complain.

Skydiver
July 31st, 2011, 05:31 PM
I'm trying to figure out their endgame. Unless it's aliens trying to make an inexhaustable food source or something....basically teh planet will get to the point that there are so many people they'll starve but they won't die so they can't die...there was this classic trek episode where an alien girl was sent to consort with Capt Kirk because he'd once had a virus and it was her job to bring the virus back to her planet so people could die because the planet was literally standing room only.

morbosfist
July 31st, 2011, 07:16 PM
They must need one hell of a virus to go through all the trouble of rendering people immortal to breed disease. Hope they're patient.

Skydiver
July 31st, 2011, 07:47 PM
either that or they want 100% of the world needing to buy death
or it's an unfortunate side effect to whatever they're doing to kill jack

Skydiver
August 1st, 2011, 04:44 AM
I can understand rex's frustration with what's her name keeping her cell phone and checking on the kids - and what the heck did she think was going to happen beyond them going into 'foster care' (anyone not think they're being held hostage????) but seriously, his temper tantrum in the middle of the op is worse than her distraction with the phone.

Flyboy
August 1st, 2011, 11:32 AM
IDK...I just think people are looking for reasons to complain. Besides...after this season there may not be a reason to complain.

*sigh*

I'm NOT complaining. I am very much enjoying it. Not as good as CoE, but certainly amongst Torchwood's best.

However, I seriously believe that there are American filming styles creeping in, it's to be expected when you're using American crews. The initial scene was one of the most painfully obvious ones, indeed, particularly the later scenes involving the triangle and the disembodied voice...

Krisz
August 1st, 2011, 04:47 PM
Thoroughly enjoying this show. Seeing all the consequences of no one dying, the shift in moral attitudes, abandoning people who should be dead in the same way lepers were banished to colonies, out of sight out of mind!! The worst was that woman being crushed in the car, you just knew that the eyeball would still be left blinking away inside there!

I'm just dying to know who's behind all this and what poor Jack is going to have to face. It's quite horrible to think when it's all over and things go back to how it should be, what will happen when all the people who should have died over the period of time during the miracle, all die suddenly at once! Won't be sad to see Oswald die painfully, isn't he a wonderfully creepy character?! A great villain, elicits sympathy on occasion, but we are never allowed to forget what he really is!

the fifth man
August 1st, 2011, 05:35 PM
I thought this was another really good episode. I am definitely enjoying this season thus far.

LtColCarter
August 1st, 2011, 05:39 PM
I thought this was another really good episode. I am definitely enjoying this season thus far.

As am I! :D

Spimman
August 2nd, 2011, 07:02 AM
The Families Will Rise

Jack gave them something a long time ago

Waiting for the perfect location

They once had names

At least we're finally getting clues about the "people" behind this

IcarusAbides
August 2nd, 2011, 03:50 PM
Another good episode, I'm liking the mystery of how Jack knows the people or beings causing the miracle and I'm intrigued by that line from the assassin about more miracles to come.

However on another note I'm getting sick of this whole Jack always getting grabbed and not being able to save the day, Jack's always been the save the day kind of character and I know they are trying to make this different from previous series of Torchwood but I want Jack to start to kicking some butt and saving the day again.

mjwalshe
August 4th, 2011, 02:05 PM
As am I! :D

Yes I really Dug Gwen in a suit with her hair up and i must listen again to see if Jack called her "Mistress" at one point

Matt G
August 5th, 2011, 03:29 AM
1. Liked the "Dead is Dead" campaign, interesting that the triangle people/Families/whoever they are felt the need to crush her though.

2. Credit to Danes for ballsiness.

3. Not sure what to make of Esther reporting her sister...sympathise though and in moments like that...sometimes you don't think straight.

4. Poor Rhys...he thought he's sorted stuff out only to deliver Gwen's Dad into the handsof the badguys!

What the bad guys want to do with the supposed-to-be-dead is anyone's guess.

IcarusAbides
August 5th, 2011, 04:15 AM
1. Liked the "Dead is Dead" campaign, interesting that the triangle people/Families/whoever they are felt the need to crush her though.

2. Credit to Danes for ballsiness.

3. Not sure what to make of Esther reporting her sister...sympathise though and in moments like that...sometimes you don't think straight.

4. Poor Rhys...he thought he's sorted stuff out only to deliver Gwen's Dad into the handsof the badguys!

What the bad guys want to do with the supposed-to-be-dead is anyone's guess.

I know Esther wasn't exactly thinking straight but she surely had to know that they would take the children away given the state her sister was it, when she first reported her I thought that Esther wanted the kids to be taken away and it was only later when she found out and was shell-shocked by it that I realised she hadn't meant for it to happen.

morbosfist
August 5th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Esther just wanted the kids cared for, and the mom obviously wasn't in any state to do that. She was naive to think they wouldn't be taken away.

Spimman
August 8th, 2011, 08:38 AM
Esther just wanted the kids cared for, and the mom obviously wasn't in any state to do that. She was naive to think they wouldn't be taken away.

Very - it's like calling the cops on someone for doing drugs and being surprised when they get arrested :S

Flyboy
August 13th, 2011, 01:36 AM
Taking kids away is not the first step in these proceedings, however, as the later phone call indicated, she believed they'd be working WITH her sister to help her improve the situation at home. And indeed, they were for a brief spell.