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GateWorld
July 5th, 2011, 07:08 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 403</FONT>
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On the run from the C.I.A. and a clandestine group that has blackballed Torchwood, the team discovers a connection to PhiCorp, a powerful pharmaceutical company that may have known about the Miracle before it happened.

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MasySyma
July 22nd, 2011, 08:21 PM
Another great episode. I find all five of the main cast to be fully developed three dimensional characters, so yes, Rex annoyed me with his brashness tonight, but I still appreciate his intelligence.

The Doctor is my new favorite, but I am enjoying watching everyone. Bill Pullman is doing a fine job playing a character who makes my skin crawl. Ick!

About the "scene" that has been the focus of too much time on blastr.com: The BBC is being prudish. Adults do adult things, and Torchwood continues to handle all aspects of its narrative well and with taste.

morbosfist
July 22nd, 2011, 09:36 PM
At least they're catering to both parties, so to speak. Something for everyone, and something to offend everyone. Everyone wins!

Lots of development in this one.

Phicorp has a hand in the miracle, Danes is in their pocket and was lying (like that wasn't plain as day), and the mysterious triangle phones in. Should be interesting.

LtColCarter
July 22nd, 2011, 10:09 PM
Enjoyed the episode...I'm looking forward to discovering what phicorp's involvement is...

Skydiver
July 23rd, 2011, 05:45 AM
finally an interesting one.

Funny to see Capt Jack still livin life to the fullest...in more ways than one :)
Real moment when he's calling Gwen who then hangs up on him to talk to Rhys. For those that didn't watch the original either they had a brief affair or thought about it (can't recall but I think they had sex) but then she went back to Rhys (who was just her boyfriend at the time IIRC)

jack, for all the playboy attitude, is honestly very lonely. He's lived for hundreds of years, literally cannot die, and keeps losing people.

that said, for all the angst, it's totally 'normal' for him to go looking for some action in the middle of the whole thing. He's a carpe diem kinda guy.

phicorp is definitely in it to their eyeballs. My money is on

someone pulling the strings, perhaps to get rid of Jack, and uses this 'massive money making opportunity' to get supporters. which will bring in the whole alien thing. an alien using human greed to get their way, and knowing that that greed will blind them from the dark future - a planet full of people that cannot die on a planet that cannot support them. food will run out and they will starve to death but never die.

MattSilver 3k
July 23rd, 2011, 06:20 AM
Goood stuff. New characters fitting in seamlessly. Rex is such a dick, but I can't help but like the guy. Dr Juarez is boss. Oswald is creepy personified but has a natural Bill Pullman charisma... hey, it's 'cause he's played by him! Jilly Kissinger is so great, and dammit all if I just wanna give Esther a big hug.

Also, Jack: "You should've seen the other guy!" :D :D :D Epically hilarious.

LtColCarter
July 23rd, 2011, 07:57 AM
Goood stuff. New characters fitting in seamlessly. Rex is such a dick, but I can't help but like the guy. Dr Juarez is boss. Oswald is creepy personified but has a natural Bill Pullman charisma... hey, it's 'cause he's played by him! Jilly Kissinger is so great, and dammit all if I just wanna give Esther a big hug.

Also, Jack: "You should've seen the other guy!" :D :D :D Epically hilarious.

I laughed at that one! :lol:

Cairistiona
July 23rd, 2011, 09:36 AM
I laughed at that one! :lol:

Yeah, that one was great! But I liked the 'Bigger on the inside!' also very much :D

I enjoyed the whole ep, the story is getting more and more gripping. And I'm really curious what's behind it all.

DigiFluid
July 23rd, 2011, 10:30 PM
First half of the episode was a bit slow, though I am intriguied at the drugs/Phicorp/Jilly connection. What does she know?

Alexa Havins (Esther) is really batting it out of the park performance-wise, IMO. Often scenes involving crying are hammy, over the top, or just plain poorly played. But I really bought it when she and Gwen were talking about her sister.

Speaking of Gwen though, man. Eve Myles is just not there IMO--except for the gun craziness in the first episode, it seems to me like she's just been 'phoning it in' every scene she's in =\

I'm really digging the addition of Arlene Tur/Dr Juarez too. Generally speaking she's been really well-developed and a solid addition to the show, even if I found her sudden roll in the hay with Rex to be a little out of left field.

Bull Pullman's been fantastic too. I really buy his strange transformation....bizarre circumstances, bizarre developments. I'm finding his struggle with what it means to still be alive and to now be free really means.

IcarusAbides
July 24th, 2011, 04:39 AM
About the "scene" that has been the focus of too much time on blastr.com: The BBC is being prudish. Adults do adult things, and Torchwood continues to handle all aspects of its narrative well and with taste.

To be fair BBC One is a Major terrestrial broadcast network whereas Starz is a premium pay channel, they were always going to tone down anything that they thought would be too over the top.

As for the episode itself I thought it was brilliant once again and i'm getting pulled into the mystery of miracle day now.

jameshawking
July 24th, 2011, 07:46 AM
I'm half torn between PhiCorp being Dalek and it not, with Jack's history and it mirroring his first season in DW. Or the silent.

Mostly kidding about that.

LoneStar1836
July 24th, 2011, 10:51 AM
Funny to see Capt Jack still livin life to the fullest...in more ways than one :)
Real moment when he's calling Gwen who then hangs up on him to talk to Rhys. For those that didn't watch the original either they had a brief affair or thought about it (can't recall but I think they had sex) but then she went back to Rhys (who was just her boyfriend at the time IIRC)She had the affair with Owen. She and Jack just flirt around the issue.


Oswald and his storyline finally got more interesting in this one. Though I still find him completely repulsive. Interesting scene between he and Jack considering what Jack has done in the past.

Skydiver
July 24th, 2011, 11:47 AM
thanks :)

knew it was one of them. just couldn't quite remember which of the boys

Jack will flirt with anyting, which is half the fun :)

DigiFluid
July 24th, 2011, 12:04 PM
Actually one of my biggest complaints about Torchwood is that he doesn't flirt with everyone and everything anymore. I liked that about his character in his first few appearances in Doctor Who. But since the character has been spun off to Torchwood, RTD's basically only been writing him as singularly homosexual. That's all well and good for a main character in a sci-fi show, and usually I'd applaud such a thing. But that isn't the character we were introduced to in those first five DW episodes in which he appeared.

IcarusAbides
July 24th, 2011, 01:53 PM
Actually one of my biggest complaints about Torchwood is that he doesn't flirt with everyone and everything anymore. I liked that about his character in his first few appearances in Doctor Who. But since the character has been spun off to Torchwood, RTD's basically only been writing him as singularly homosexual. That's all well and good for a main character in a sci-fi show, and usually I'd applaud such a thing. But that isn't the character we were introduced to in those first five DW episodes in which he appeared.

Good point, I remember The Doctor saying something about people from Jack's time being metrosexual and that's why he would flirt with anyone man or woman as long as they were beautiful, I miss that about his character.

rockstarsister
July 24th, 2011, 09:01 PM
guy on guy porn :D

Spimman
July 25th, 2011, 11:08 AM
I feel like the episode is really passed beyond the foundational point (which was needed and well done) of the series and into the meat of discovering what is actually going on, which was really well done also. Those "Soulless" people are actually kind of creepy when they stare at you with that blank mask.

Spimman
July 25th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Esther, "You've done that before"

Gwen, "...so many times..." (Slightly shakes head to herself)

I loved this, very Gwen!

Lahela
July 25th, 2011, 01:06 PM
Yeah... Good, I like Rex a whole lot, the doctor chick is really great, even the blonde-out-of-her-depth chick is kinda good, Oswald is as creepy as you could want (and then some)... but Gwen was a bit *too* much, too clinical, and I have to say, I honestly don't like what they're doing with Jack. He's always been so utterly rational, and I can understand that since he's mortal his attitude would change, but that shouldn't make him dumb enough to get beaten up by goons. Yes, he's seizing the day, but he just seems somehow out of character to me.

Really still not sure how I feel about it.

Spimman
July 26th, 2011, 11:39 AM
He's always been so utterly rational, and I can understand that since he's mortal his attitude would change, but that shouldn't make him dumb enough to get beaten up by goons. Yes, he's seizing the day, but he just seems somehow out of character to me.

Really still not sure how I feel about it.

Yeah, when that happened I was thinking...what? Really? Come on Jack! I was hoping to hear that was part of his plan and he secretly wanted them to kick him out, but nope!

Lahela
July 26th, 2011, 12:43 PM
Yeah, when that happened I was thinking...what? Really? Come on Jack! I was hoping to hear that was part of his plan and he secretly wanted them to kick him out, but nope!

My brother said something that struck a chord with me and immediately made me think of what you just said:


Jack doesn't inspire confidence like he should. There should always be a sense that he has a grasp of the bigger picture that eludes all the others; an ace up the sleeve. A plan that is slowly becoming apparent while everyone else runs around getting in trouble.

That pretty well describes how I feel and I think it reflects on what you said too.

Spimman
July 27th, 2011, 06:38 AM
^ well said

VengefulSpud
July 27th, 2011, 08:25 AM
I am dying to see what is causing all this, because the fact that Jack is now mortal is kind of bugging me. Jack's immortality was brought about by the power of a Tardis, so whatever has taken that away must be packing some serious mojo !
Maybe him being mortal now will cause him to start ageing when his immortality comes back, sending him on his way to becoming the Face of Boe maybe ?

Spimman
July 27th, 2011, 09:03 AM
Maybe him being mortal now will cause him to start ageing when his immortality comes back, sending him on his way to becoming the Face of Boe maybe ?

That is a genius comment, very interesting.

morbosfist
July 27th, 2011, 09:43 AM
I'd bet Jack is somehow fueling this whole thing. All that power in Jack gives him regenerative immortality. Spread over billions of people, you just get undying immortality.

LoneStar1836
July 27th, 2011, 09:49 AM
Jack already ages. Just very very slowly. This was noted in a Doctor Who episode.


At the end of Last of the Time Lords:


JACK:And what about me? Can you fix that? Will I ever be able to die?

DOCTOR:Nothing I can do. You're an impossible thing, Jack.

JACK:Been called that before. Sir. Ma'am. But I keep wondering…what about aging? ‘Cause I can't die but I keep getting older. The odd little grey hair, you know? What happens if I live for a million years?

DOCTOR:I really don't know.

JACK:Okay, vanity. Sorry. Yeah, can't help it. Used to be a poster boy when I was a kid back on the Boeshane Pennisula. Tiny little place. I was the first one ever to be signed up for the Time Agency. They were so proud of me. They Face of Boe they called me. Hmm, I'll see you.

Tanith0709
July 28th, 2011, 06:02 PM
I liked the episode but dunno, thus far this Torchwood season feels a bit off to me. Like the potential is there for it to be very good, but it just doesn't quite reach it.

If things keep going like this then I would probably class Miracle Day as being my least favorite season of Torchwood.

Matt G
August 1st, 2011, 04:31 AM
1. Phicorp clearly have some serious connections.

2. I do get Jack in this one, after all, he's probably the only member of the team who's been anywhere near where Oswald's been.

3. Rex is...starting to get interesting.

4. You have to wonder though...what extra terrestrial force would have anything to gain from something like this. They wouldn't be able to use Earth's resources or anything.