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GateWorld
July 5th, 2011, 06:07 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 402</FONT>
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While Agent Matheson extradites Jack and Gwen to the United States on board a passenger plane, forces within the CIA work to undermine his efforts. Oswald Danes goes on television to improve his public image, and Esther makes a run for it after being targeted by her employer.

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MasySyma
July 15th, 2011, 07:52 PM
It's two for two. Another fabulous episode that used its premise well. I liked the tension surrounding immortality/mortality and ethics and appreciated that the plot depends on character intelligence rather than effects or nudity.

I'm pleasantly surprised thus far.

DigiFluid
July 15th, 2011, 10:30 PM
Did anyone catch the character names for either Dichen Lachman or Wayne Knight?


Anywho another terrific episode!

MattSilver 3k
July 16th, 2011, 01:41 AM
That was so epic. "Welcome to Torchwood."

Oh, and PR Chick I like. Such an unassuming crazy lady (hot too, and Alexa Havins! I approve).

Bill Pullman is classically creepy-awesome.

Oh, and morphic fields?! I love morphic field theory, though the monkey rock = knife theory's a very simple way to explain it (I prefer the one about the whole element changing in one place and then at another at the same time - something to do with nitroglycerine). :D

LtColCarter
July 16th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Another excellent episode. When I it ended...I was like...wait! Its over already? The time just flew by.

Lahela
July 16th, 2011, 11:34 AM
Oh Gwen, you are seriously vying for my imaginary BFF spot (River currently holds it).

Really liked this ep. I watch quite a bit of American action/drama stuff so I think I'm pretty forgiving of the Americanisation of Torchwood but I do understand why some folks don't appreciate it. That said, the characterisation is good. Rex is developing nicely, Esther is less blah than last week, the PR chick is freaking weird and Doctor Woman is just great.

But for me, the biggest thing is that this seems to be a whole lot less the Jack show and whole lot more the Gwen show. She is seriously carrying it in countless ways and I love that. Really, really love it. Her character has grown so much since her introduction, she's learned to be what she is because she's just had to, she's been to hell and back so many times, seen so much crap and grown from every event she's faced and has become the woman we see here. No retconning, no sudden morphing into something she's not, but beautifully portrayed growth over several seasons. If for no other reason, I'm enjoying watching her ride through this adventure.

And Eve Myles is the ant's pants.

LtColCarter
July 16th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Oh Gwen, you are seriously vying for my imaginary BFF spot (River currently holds it).

Really liked this ep. I watch quite a bit of American action/drama stuff so I think I'm pretty forgiving of the Americanization of Torchwood but I do understand why some folks don't appreciate it. That said, the characterization is good. Rex is developing nicely, Esther is less blah than last week, the PR chick is freaking weird and Doctor Woman is just great.

But for me, the biggest thing is that this seems to be a whole lot less the Jack show and whole lot more the Gwen show. She is seriously carrying it in countless ways and I love that. Really, really love it. Her character has grown so much since her introduction, she's learned to be what she is because she's just had to, she's been to hell and back so many times, seen so much crap and grown from every event she's faced and has become the woman we see here. No retconning, no sudden morphing into something she's not, but beautifully portrayed growth over several seasons. If for no other reason, I'm enjoying watching her ride through this adventure.

And Eve Myles is the ant's pants.

Maybe she's the bee's knees! ;)

LoneStar1836
July 16th, 2011, 06:31 PM
Really liked this ep. I watch quite a bit of American action/drama stuff so I think I'm pretty forgiving of the Americanisation of Torchwood but I do understand why some folks don't appreciate it. Not to you in particular as I've seen this on another board (even saw some trying to apply it to DW back when they came to the US this season), but I for one don't really understand this. I am American but just a few months ago I watched the first 3 TW series, and I don't quite get how this is any different from the first 3 seasons (aside from references Americans get like the New Jersey comment in the first ep and them actually filming in the US rather than Wales). :confused:

I'm fairly certain I didn't imagine action in those other seasons of TW. :D Yes they had more money this go around so they could afford the helicopter beach chase, but it's still within the spirit of the show, imo. *Thinks back to CoE when they freed Jack from the concrete prison.*

Anyway another enjoyable ep. I'm certainly interested in the why and how this is happening. The implications of people not dying is interesting, but I'm much more into the mystery...and whether or not it's connected to Jack, as I think it is.

When Rex snapped assassin girl's neck I was like geez they killed her off already (since recognized her from Dollhouse) until she opened her eyes and I remembered people don't die. D'oh! Loved Gwen's reaction to the Mini and it not being an SUV. :D

Krisz
July 16th, 2011, 07:02 PM
Another excellent episode. When I it ended...I was like...wait! Its over already? The time just flew by.

I felt the same.

I've never watched Torchwood before, but I have to say after the first two episodes of Miracle Day I am hooked! The pacing of the story, the concept of no one dying and the effect on the world is handled intriguingly here. I'm dying to know what's behind it all.

So good to see a well written and riveting show, filled with good characters! I've wondered what would get my attention after SGU finished, and this certainly has!!!

Bill Pullman is great, haven't seen him in anything for a while now. He's got a bit of the 'Hannibal Lecter' vibe going on there!!

I had to chuckle at the bit on the plane where Rex was searching for the drug used to poison Jack, the American woman called it a handbag, which is the Brit word for a purse! It was funny as I've had to stop saying handbag since I moved from the UK, as it's called a purse in N.America!!! :D

LtColCarter
July 16th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Not to you in particular as I've seen this on another board (even saw some trying to apply it to DW back when they came to the US this season), but I for one don't really understand this. I am American but just a few months ago I watched the first 3 TW series, and I don't quite get how this is any different from the first 3 seasons (aside from references Americans get like the New Jersey comment in the first ep and them actually filming in the US rather than Wales). :confused:

I'm fairly certain I didn't imagine action in those other seasons of TW. :D Yes they had more money this go around so they could afford the helicopter beach chase, but it's still within the spirit of the show, imo. *Thinks back to CoE when they freed Jack from the concrete prison.*

Anyway another enjoyable ep. I'm certainly interested in the why and how this is happening. The implications of people not dying is interesting, but I'm much more into the mystery...and whether or not it's connected to Jack, as I think it is.

When Rex snapped assassin girl's neck I was like geez they killed her off already (since recognized her from Dollhouse) until she opened her eyes and I remembered people don't die. D'oh! Loved Gwen's reaction to the Mini and it not being an SUV. :D

I know what you mean...I don't get what they mean by "Americanization." It feels the same to me as the first three seasons.

Lahela
July 16th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Maybe she's the bee's knees! ;)

The banana's pyjamas. :)

It's not any one thing in particular, it just feels (to me) more like an American show than a British one. Perhaps I'm imagining things. Perhaps it's just expectation that it's more American because of the co-production thing and that's colouring my view. There has always been plenty of action in TW and there is still plenty of comedy, but it just feels differently done now. *shrugs* I don't think I'm alone and it doesn't mean I think any less of the show.

MattSilver 3k
July 17th, 2011, 03:26 AM
You know what kinda sets this apart from our old Torchwood? The fact there's no aliens yet. I mean, this could actually be a science fiction show without aliens - morphic fields causing everyone on earth to stop dying et cetera. The bad guys are American government agents with guns that get destroyed with guns. No strange alien-ness, no whacky devices or weapons or anything old school Torchwood-y yet. I mean, by two episodes in Children of Earth, we knew there were aliens and there was alien technology and blah blah despite the government conspiracy plot - Miracle Day, thus far, might feel strange because it's all human vs human with worldly human issues. Honestly, this could be a season of a more sci-fi 24 rather than Torchwood.

Now I'm not saying the aliens won't come, or the whacky sex or anything, but I do like Miracle Day so don't think I'm critiquing it, but if you think it feels odd, that's probably why.

LtColCarter
July 17th, 2011, 05:12 AM
The banana's pyjamas. :)

It's not any one thing in particular, it just feels (to me) more like an American show than a British one. Perhaps I'm imagining things. Perhaps it's just expectation that it's more American because of the co-production thing and that's colouring my view. There has always been plenty of action in TW and there is still plenty of comedy, but it just feels differently done now. *shrugs* I don't think I'm alone and it doesn't mean I think any less of the show.

I don't know...Like I said...I watched the previous seasons of the show and really enjoyed them. I don't really see anything any different...and it could just all be a matter of perspective.

Cairistiona
July 17th, 2011, 06:19 AM
The banana's pyjamas. :)

It's not any one thing in particular, it just feels (to me) more like an American show than a British one. Perhaps I'm imagining things. Perhaps it's just expectation that it's more American because of the co-production thing and that's colouring my view. There has always been plenty of action in TW and there is still plenty of comedy, but it just feels differently done now. *shrugs* I don't think I'm alone and it doesn't mean I think any less of the show.

You're not alone with this, I also thought it is more American. I can't put my finger on a special part, and for me it got better during the ep. When they start mixing all these chemicals together to save Jack and at the end the woman with her head on the back it felt more like TW!

And btw, I really enjoyed it and can't wait untill next week! :D

Oh, and after Jack obviously can die, doesn't he count as an alien anymore?

Skydiver
July 17th, 2011, 07:25 AM
The biggest difference I see, the 'old' torchwood was more episodic with little bits of an overall arc in each episode. This, so far, is totally arc based.

Not bad, not good. Just different. I'm just watching it thinking 'ok, so.....story gonna get going anytime soon? or are we gonna keep setting things up?'

LoneStar1836
July 17th, 2011, 09:38 AM
It's not any one thing in particular, it just feels (to me) more like an American show than a British one. Perhaps I'm imagining things. Perhaps it's just expectation that it's more American because of the co-production thing and that's colouring my view. There has always been plenty of action in TW and there is still plenty of comedy, but it just feels differently done now. *shrugs* I don't think I'm alone and it doesn't mean I think any less of the show.Now that I can understand. Production values, etc have been changed up a bit. Probably even a bit of the filming style. Don't know if these are American directors or UK directors...but I imagine mostly US ones. And you do rather loose a bit of the British feel with it physically changing its shooting locations and loosing its mostly British cast. It's just when people mention it incorporating so-called American action stuff as if the show never incorporated action sequences before makes me go what? :S


I agree with Matt about the lack of aliens (excluding Jack) changing it up a bit. But I don't necessarily have to have them to make a good sci-fi story. I'm guessing we might get some before this is over though.



The biggest difference I see, the 'old' torchwood was more episodic with little bits of an overall arc in each episode. This, so far, is totally arc based.

Not bad, not good. Just different. I'm just watching it thinking 'ok, so.....story gonna get going anytime soon? or are we gonna keep setting things up?'Well that's kinda the point isn't it?:P:) This season is basically a mini series with one running story rather than individual eps. They've got 10 eps so I imagine they are stretching it a bit here in the early set up eps...where as CoE only had 5 episodes.

Spimman
July 17th, 2011, 11:15 AM
Oh, and after Jack obviously can die, doesn't he count as an alien anymore?

Did he count as an alien before? If so, I missed it. He was just immortal and from the future (originally), still human...or so I thought.


The biggest difference I see, the 'old' torchwood was more episodic with little bits of an overall arc in each episode. This, so far, is totally arc based.

Not bad, not good. Just different. I'm just watching it thinking 'ok, so.....story gonna get going anytime soon? or are we gonna keep setting things up?'

Well it's more like Children of Men than Season 1 & 2 in that it's one big story...really a mini series.


I agree with Matt and everyone, while it's still sci-fi it isn't hardcore sci-fi like previous seasons. I actually have friends watching this that would NEVER have watched the previous seasons.

Krisz
July 17th, 2011, 04:30 PM
I think the more 'American' style is what drew my attention to this season.

Even when I lived in the UK, (I was an avid Dr Who fan up to the late 1970's) I was always drawn to American Sci Fi shows more than the home grown ones. (There were exceptions, like 'Sapphire and Steel', 'Survivors (1975 version) and 'Red Dwarf') I must be one of the few who liked the 1996 movie with Paul Mcgann, again for the American production values, but never got into the new Dr Who of 2005 onwards.

the fifth man
July 17th, 2011, 05:52 PM
I really enjoyed this second episode. This show is really surprising me, and I might have to check out its previous seasons.

Spimman
July 17th, 2011, 07:38 PM
I love that they're keeping the humor, andcwhile it was hard to watch I like that Gwen's family is out of the picture!

IcarusAbides
July 18th, 2011, 04:09 AM
Pretty good ep but we need Jack to be in charge, I'm coming around to Rex as a character but i'm not keen on the dynamic where he is in charge and calling the shots.

AresLover452
July 19th, 2011, 11:14 AM
Gwen: I thought you americans had big SUV's as get away cars. This is rubbish!

That was HILARIOUS! I am so happy that Torchwood is back on TV and that JACK is BACK!! w00t!! And I love the humor!! lol!

I thought Jack was going to start flirting with Danny the flight attendant. That would have been so Jack and i kinda miss him flirting! lol!

morbosfist
July 19th, 2011, 10:20 PM
Pretty good ep but we need Jack to be in charge, I'm coming around to Rex as a character but i'm not keen on the dynamic where he is in charge and calling the shots.Jack's not really in a position to be in charge, though. I wouldn't worry. With the big escape, Jack will probably take the reins back. It's just that, at the moment, they have to go with Rex's orders.

IcarusAbides
July 20th, 2011, 01:45 AM
Jack's not really in a position to be in charge, though. I wouldn't worry. With the big escape, Jack will probably take the reins back. It's just that, at the moment, they have to go with Rex's orders.

Yeah I get that I just want Jack back in charge where he is meant to be.

Tanith0709
July 21st, 2011, 03:17 PM
I kinda liked it, but I dunno something was missing.

Was a few scenes I didn't really care much about or I thought that they could have been shortened and during them I kept thinking "Okay, can we go back to Gwen & Jack now?".

I'm starting to get interested but hope that future episodes focus more on the Torchwood team, how they deal with miracle day, find what's causing it, find a solution etc and less on the murderer becoming famous, the doctor changing how patients are treated etc.

Spimman
July 22nd, 2011, 07:31 AM
This just hit me recently...they keep saying that Jack and the rest of the world sort of switched places, but that isn't true

Jack had super healing, never aged and was resistant to almost anything. The world today is just un-dieing which is much less cool than Jack was!

Blencathra
July 22nd, 2011, 10:44 AM
I wonder...

When everything is put right (as I'm sure it eventually will :P) I wonder if Jack will become more like the undying humans, ie, that he can age. It would certainly help explain why Jack looks older every season. And it may explain how Jack eventually becomes the Face of Boe. :P

IcarusAbides
July 22nd, 2011, 12:55 PM
This just hit me recently...they keep saying that Jack and the rest of the world sort of switched places, but that isn't true

Jack had super healing, never aged and was resistant to almost anything. The world today is just un-dieing which is much less cool than Jack was!

In an earlier Season of Torchwood or maybe Doctor Who Jack mentions getting a few grey hairs so he was ageing just really slowly.

Matt G
July 29th, 2011, 02:10 PM
1. OK...now we've confirmed that Jack can suffer from poisoning.

2. I presume CIA were behind the helicopter trying to take Gwen out.

3. Esther seems to be one step ahead of things.

4. OK, even I can tell Oswald is faking.

Still meh though