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GateWorld
July 5th, 2011, 07:05 PM
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The world is shocked when a full day goes by without any reported deaths of illness, injury, or old age -- anywhere. Meanwhile, pair of CIA agents investigate the mysterious name "Torchwood," not realizing that it is connected to the worldwide miracle. In a remote part of Wales, Gwen Cooper tries to keep her family hidden and safe.

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MasySyma
July 8th, 2011, 08:58 PM
It was an interesting start. It set the tone nicely for new viewers but didn't bore me with too much repetition.

It also didn't go too dark, as Torchwood often does, for no reason. The gruesome parts were used well.

I'm still not sure what I make of the new show yet, but I'm willing to give it a chance.

leeman15251
July 8th, 2011, 11:36 PM
I liked how time had passed, it didn't just start like there was no time brake.

AresLover452
July 9th, 2011, 12:36 AM
I got half way through the new season and I am so glad that Jack is back as well as Gwen! I can;t wait to see the rest of it!

MattSilver 3k
July 9th, 2011, 02:02 AM
I really, really, liked it. Missed me some Torchwood, glad to see Jack and Gwen again, new characters are cool, plotline's well developed so far - seriously, they covered more "what if everybody never died" things than I thought they would've (insects, for example) - and making fun of Wales is always appreciated.

LtColCarter
July 9th, 2011, 07:29 AM
Well, I'll keep the positive vibe going! I really loved the new episode. I was sad when it ended because I wanted more Torchwood! But I'll get more next week.

It was good to see Gwen and Jack. Gwen is a little gun happy. I was surprised at her Mother's reaction to seeing her in the hospital. I think its an interesting twist with Jack getting hurt. I hope they're not setting this up for the end of the series. :(

Dusk
July 9th, 2011, 07:33 AM
This just aired in Australia (I'm surprised we beat the UK, but I'm sure there's a furor around that). I'm quite liking where things are going, and there really are some big questions here. Namely: a) Why aren't people dying? b) Why is Jack mortal now? c) Who was the enemy in the helicopter? d) How the hell is all this going to be rectified?

One thing's for sure... I'll be sticking around to find out!

P.S. Gwen's baby is way cute!

LtColCarter
July 9th, 2011, 07:34 AM
This just aired in Australia (I'm surprised we beat the UK, but I'm sure there's a furor around that). I'm quite liking where things are going, and there really are some big questions here. Namely: a) Why aren't people dying? b) Why is Jack mortal now? c) Who was the enemy in the helicopter? d) How the hell is all this going to be rectified?

One thing's for sure... I'll be sticking around to find out!

P.S. Gwen's baby is way cute!

I think those are questions we all have.

Cairistiona
July 9th, 2011, 09:10 AM
Torchwood is back! :D

Really enjoyed it, and was very happy when I saw Jack for the first time. And I'm really curious about the solution of this miracle. :)

LoneStar1836
July 9th, 2011, 10:21 AM
Great start so far. Really been looking forward to this.

I'm glad they didn't bog themselves down in trying to catch people up on back story for people who had never seen the show.

My only quibble with the ep was how they got Bill Pullman's character out of prison. Him threatening to sue and someone actually take that seriously. No jury in Kentucky is going to side with some creep who gleefully raped and murdered a 12 year old. Obviously they needed him out of prison for the story, but I thought that was a laughable way to go about it.

I think all of this is happening for the specific purpose of trying to kill Jack. People not dying is just a side effect.

LtColCarter
July 9th, 2011, 10:46 AM
Great start so far. Really been looking forward to this.

I'm glad they didn't bog themselves down in trying to catch people up on back story for people who had never seen the show.

My only quibble with the ep was how they got Bill Pullman's character out of prison. Him threatening to sue and someone actually take that seriously. No jury in Kentucky is going to side with some creep who gleefully raped and murdered a 12 year old. Obviously they needed him out of prison for the story, but I thought that was a laughable way to go about it.

I think all of this is happening for the specific purpose of trying to kill Jack. People not dying is just a side effect.

I agree. When I saw him getting out of prison, I was like WTF. I thought I'd missed something because I so no real reason for him to be allowed back into society.

pisces27
July 9th, 2011, 02:39 PM
I though it was a great start. Had a nice quick pace.

I like the CIA guy.

Gwen as a baby carrying gun toting mama....LOL! Rhys certainly has his hands full. I didn't catch the babys name.

Poor Jack, what a nice twist. Did you catch that he used Owen Harper as his name.

So who's behind this non-dying world and why? Should be interesting.

iolanda
July 9th, 2011, 04:51 PM
I really loved it so far and I am really happy to have this show back!

DigiFluid
July 9th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Okay so....did anyone else notice that the baby was gleefully smiling during the rocket attack and while Gwen was shooting her pistol at the guy in the chopper? :lol:

Really nice bunch of past references in this one. Jack using Owen's name, 456 treaties, the original Torchwood theme song noise being used in both the opening and closing credits. Nice.

I notice that they said Gwen joined Torchwood in October 2006 though, which is wrong. That's when the episode aired. But with the 12 month skip in The Long Game, that means she would have joined Torchwood in 2007, not 06.

Skydiver
July 9th, 2011, 06:07 PM
owen's name is even funnier since, in the last season was it? that owen was dead but not dead, kinda zombiefied

rhys' attitude got to me a bit. I know he didn't like her lifestyle and job, but i don't remember him so 'in your face' about it. almost adversarial.

DigiFluid
July 9th, 2011, 06:12 PM
owen's name is even funnier since, in the last season was it? that owen was dead but not dead, kinda zombiefied
Not even, two seasons ago now! That story was in Season 2, he was fully killed in the finale, and then we got Children of Earth :)

Ian-S
July 9th, 2011, 08:22 PM
well, he wasn't fully killed, technically.

I'll carry on watching because it's Torchwood, Gwen is still good looking, and it's sci-fi, but the episode didn't grab me like other shows have.

I hope they address the hit squad after Gwen & Jack pretty soon, because I'm pretty sure that at the end of CoE they bought their freedom by bribing the Prime Minister over the recordings of the meetings, unless of course the PM has gone back on his word.

Also felt a little cheesy them being chased along the beach with a helicopter after them, said helicopter equipped with a hitman able to fit a surface to air missle through a tiny window (and out the other side - had to LOL at that) without hitting any of the frame but then when he's chasing them down the beach every shot misses.....

But I am glad they've filled in a bit of story post CoE and not just jumped in with Torchwood USA up and running already.

I dunno, just doesn't feel like our Torchwood, then again the chip on my shoulder about the UK being the last place it's aired might be clouding my judgement

:lol:

the fifth man
July 9th, 2011, 08:43 PM
This was my first experience with this show. I was very pleasantly surprised with how good it was. I will definitely be giving this a chance.

Spimman
July 9th, 2011, 09:27 PM
I enjoyed the episode although after watching all the trailers there were really no surprises, sure we got some extra info but nothing major. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it but I think the future episodes will be better because I won't know what's coming. :)

DigiFluid
July 9th, 2011, 09:46 PM
Physically--was it just because I haven't seen them in a while, or was Eve Myles a bit chubby and John Barrowman looking awfully thin?

Lahela
July 9th, 2011, 11:42 PM
Physically--was it just because I haven't seen them in a while, or was Eve Myles a bit chubby and John Barrowman looking awfully thin?

Didn't really notice JB being thinner, but Eve was a bit curvier than before.

Absolutely loved when she put the earmuffs on the baby before firing back at the chopper! LOL! And loved Jack using Owen's name :D Like Mekhi Phifer a lot, and Bill Pullman was super creepy. Not feeling anything for the blonde chick yet.

It's a bit different to the Torchwood I remember, but I'm sure that'll just take some getting used to. :)

Cairistiona
July 10th, 2011, 12:32 AM
And Jack did a good job in teaching Gwen how to shoot! :D

Lahela
July 10th, 2011, 02:07 AM
And Jack did a good job in teaching Gwen how to shoot! :D

Gwen kicks arse! :D

LtColCarter
July 10th, 2011, 06:43 AM
Didn't really notice JB being thinner, but Eve was a bit curvier than before.

Absolutely loved when she put the earmuffs on the baby before firing back at the chopper! LOL! And loved Jack using Owen's name :D Like Mekhi Phifer a lot, and Bill Pullman was super creepy. Not feeling anything for the blonde chick yet.

It's a bit different to the Torchwood I remember, but I'm sure that'll just take some getting used to. :)

I loved it as well...and they were pink ear muffs too! ;)

LoneStar1836
July 10th, 2011, 10:02 AM
Okay so....did anyone else notice that the baby was gleefully smiling during the rocket attack and while Gwen was shooting her pistol at the guy in the chopper? :lol:
Yes. :D That was one cute, well behaved, happy baby in that ep.

LtColCarter
July 10th, 2011, 04:32 PM
Yes. :D That was one cute, well behaved, happy baby in that ep.

Yuppers...I guess the baby likes things that go....

BOOM!

IcarusAbides
July 10th, 2011, 04:39 PM
The earmuffs were very cute and reminded me of a similar scene from Face/Off. As for the episode itself I felt it was pretty good and hasn't changed as much as I feared that it might but in future we need more Captain Jack, waiting twenty minutes for him to make his appearance annoyed me a tad.

LtColCarter
July 10th, 2011, 04:48 PM
The earmuffs were very cute and reminded me of a similar scene from Face/Off. As for the episode itself I felt it was pretty good and hasn't changed as much as I feared that it might but in future we need more Captain Jack, waiting twenty minutes for him to make his appearance annoyed me a tad.

I'm sure we will have more of him in future episodes.

I wonder if Rex (I think that's his name) is going to keep on bleeding from the wounds he received in the beginning of the episode. Because when he was running around with Jack, I noticed his shirt was bloody.

IcarusAbides
July 10th, 2011, 04:54 PM
I'm sure we will have more of him in future episodes.

I wonder if Rex (I think that's his name) is going to keep on bleeding from the wounds he received in the beginning of the episode. Because when he was running around with Jack, I noticed his shirt was bloody.

It will be interesting to see if he heals or not, I'm not sure they will keep a character this injured for the run of the series but you never know. If however he can't heal then his motives could become very interesting as he surely won't want to undo whatever happened as it will most likely cost him his life.

LtColCarter
July 10th, 2011, 05:29 PM
It will be interesting to see if he heals or not, I'm not sure they will keep a character this injured for the run of the series but you never know. If however he can't heal then his motives could become very interesting as he surely won't want to undo whatever happened as it will most likely cost him his life.

I agree...if he can't heal then he wouldn't want to undo what was done because he'd die. Someone else said they thought that whatever caused this "miracle" was possibly a ploy to attack Jack's immortality that went wrong...which is why Jack isn't healing his wounds at superhuman speed.

IcarusAbides
July 10th, 2011, 05:34 PM
I agree...if he can't heal then he wouldn't want to undo what was done because he'd die. Someone else said they thought that whatever caused this "miracle" was possibly a ploy to attack Jack's immortality that went wrong...which is why Jack isn't healing his wounds at superhuman speed.

It's definitely connected to Jack in some way, not sure how yet mind but you could be right that it was a plan to kill him which would make sense with the hitman at the CIA archive also. I thought that Jack proposing cutting off his head was a rather nasty way of silencing him as he was attempting to point at Jack at the time.

mathpiglet
July 10th, 2011, 05:44 PM
It's definitely connected to Jack in some way, not sure how yet mind but you could be right that it was a plan to kill him which would make sense with the hitman at the CIA archive also. I thought that Jack proposing cutting off his head was a rather nasty way of silencing him as he was attempting to point at Jack at the time.

I didn't see it that way, but you could have a point.

Everyone else is immortal and Jack is mortal?

One thing about Torchwood is its originality. I love that about this series.

IcarusAbides
July 10th, 2011, 05:47 PM
I didn't see it that way, but you could have a point.

Everyone else is immortal and Jack is mortal?

One thing about Torchwood is its originality. I love that about this series.

The fact that Jack is now mortal and that the start of Miracle day coincided with the word Torchwood being sent to all the US agencies. Somehow I think it's connected and with Jack being possibly the only person on the planet who can die when usually he is the only person who cannot then it just seems too big of a coincidence.

LtColCarter
July 10th, 2011, 06:14 PM
The fact that Jack is now mortal and that the start of Miracle day coincided with the word Torchwood being sent to all the US agencies. Somehow I think it's connected and with Jack being possibly the only person on the planet who can die when usually he is the only person who cannot then it just seems too big of a coincidence.

I agree with you. The logic behind it is sound. Now we'll have to see if the writers actually go that way or not. :)

LoneStar1836
July 11th, 2011, 09:34 AM
It will be interesting to see if he heals or not, I'm not sure they will keep a character this injured for the run of the series but you never know. If however he can't heal then his motives could become very interesting as he surely won't want to undo whatever happened as it will most likely cost him his life.I thought in one of those hospital scenes they said they surgically fixed what was internally wrong with Rex. He's just bleeding all over the place since he shouldn't be running around with holes in his chest. Yuck.

LtColCarter
July 11th, 2011, 09:49 AM
I thought in one of those hospital scenes they said they surgically fixed what was internally wrong with Rex. He's just bleeding all over the place since he shouldn't be running around with holes in his chest. Yuck.

Hmmm...I don't quite remember hearing that...but its highly possible that it was said. :)

IcarusAbides
July 11th, 2011, 09:55 AM
I thought in one of those hospital scenes they said they surgically fixed what was internally wrong with Rex. He's just bleeding all over the place since he shouldn't be running around with holes in his chest. Yuck.

I think the doctor said she had repaired the damage but it wasn't made clear as to whether his body was healing the wounds or not, I think your right about the bleeding being caused by the fact that he shouldn't be moving and certainly not travelling to Wales and then running around shooting at helicopters.

My guess is that he will start to get better soon mainly because I just don't see them having him walking round on crutches and bleeding for the rest of the series.

However there must be a degree of damage that you can suffer and not survive if the events of Miracle day are reversed, for instance the hitman would surely die instantly if miracle day was reversed and i'm sure the damage to Gwen's fathers heart is severe and he wouldn't survive long before suffering another heart attack.

mathpiglet
July 11th, 2011, 11:46 AM
I thought in one of those hospital scenes they said they surgically fixed what was internally wrong with Rex. He's just bleeding all over the place since he shouldn't be running around with holes in his chest. Yuck.

If they could surgically fix the internal problem, why couldn't they close the wound? It's basically the same thing.

IcarusAbides
July 11th, 2011, 12:22 PM
If they could surgically fix the internal problem, why couldn't they close the wound? It's basically the same thing.

Doesn't mean the flesh would heal and close the wound tho, if it's just stitched closed then any rigorous movement can pop the stitches and the wound would start to bleed again.

LoneStar1836
July 11th, 2011, 03:21 PM
I think the doctor said she had repaired the damage but it wasn't made clear as to whether his body was healing the wounds or not, I think your right about the bleeding being caused by the fact that he shouldn't be moving and certainly not travelling to Wales and then running around shooting at helicopters.I'm just guessing and assuming that given time he would heal. This "miracle" gave them time to attempt to repair the damage where as otherwise he would have died immediately. Though he could still die in the end. I'm betting one of those new characters will probably die in the end.


My guess is that he will start to get better soon mainly because I just don't see them having him walking round on crutches and bleeding for the rest of the series. Agreed. I don't really want to watch that and I doubt the actor wants to do that either. :D


However there must be a degree of damage that you can suffer and not survive if the events of Miracle day are reversed, for instance the hitman would surely die instantly if miracle day was reversed and i'm sure the damage to Gwen's fathers heart is severe and he wouldn't survive long before suffering another heart attack.Yeah the hitman is a goner as soon as things turn back, but Gwen's father might be alright for a while. Though I'm going to guess that someone will tell her he won't be to get some character drama going and thus she'll know that putting things back will kill him. And if not her then I'm betting somebody among the main characters is going to be put in that position before this is over....whether it'll be them dying or someone they care about.

shipper hannah
July 13th, 2011, 05:18 PM
I didn't catch the babys name.

Anwen.

Easy to miss, they only said it once.

Flyboy
July 14th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Just a point... it was never confirmed that Jack is now any more mortal than the rest of the human population, only that his 'regenerative' capability, for want of a better word, is gone...

IcarusAbides
July 14th, 2011, 12:40 PM
Just a point... it was never confirmed that Jack is now any more mortal than the rest of the human population, only that his 'regenerative' capability, for want of a better word, is gone...

Good point, not a theory I would be interested in testing if I was him mind.

dosed150
July 14th, 2011, 01:15 PM
opening with an execution is pretty tacky I thought, its all a bit too american,

also theres a bit of moral dodginess about captain jack trying to get people dying again, its ok for him to be immortal but cant have others living for ever, the same with the doctors weird attitude to people trying to extend their lives

seems a weird concept really, the big disaster is people not dying, surely the answer would just be dont have kids

also why cant americans say or spell paedophile

Sealurk
July 14th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Having just finished watching it, I find myself a bit underwhelmed. It had good bits, some great ideas (the insects, realising that overpopulation and lack of food are about to become imminent problems) but it just felt a bit...off.

I'll keep watching though (it does star Eve Myles, after all). Maybe it'll pick up with the second episode.

Blencathra
July 14th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Hmmm... I don't know what to make of it to be honest. Obviously the whole thing is geared up to introduce TW to people who haven't seen it before, so I thought it was a little dull in places.

I'm not feeling any love for Rex or Esther yet, but it's early days. I'm guessing that perhaps this whole thing is to get at Jack (now that he's mortal). I thought baby Anwen was absolutely adorable. :D Loved Gwen putting little earmuffs on her ears. :D

So I'm giving this 6/10 but looking at the extended trailer for the rest of the series I think that score will rapidly shoot up cos it looks fabulous.

BTW I did worry when Rex grabbed some pills of a tray in the hospital & swigged them down. He's bloody lucky they weren't laxatives. :P

Starfist
July 14th, 2011, 03:53 PM
I thought it was great to see 'Torchwood' back on our screens.

Roll on the rest of the series.

Admiral Mappalazarou
July 14th, 2011, 03:53 PM
I wasn't a fan of Torchwood after giving Season One a go. Really didn't like it. Really wasn't for me. But then I watched Miracle Day just by chance, and I was actually surprised at how much I enjoyed it. A great, exciting start for the series. I think I'll continue with the next episode.

Tanith0709
July 14th, 2011, 04:25 PM
It was different, I kinda liked it and interested to see how it develops. I just hope that it hasn't been Americanized too much throughout the season.

knowles2
July 14th, 2011, 05:30 PM
From the preview of the rest of the season. I can say this plot is bigger than Jack.

Who ever behind this, they worried about gathering up whole warehouse full of supplies if there whole plot was just to eliminate one man, why collect so many supplies. So this is not about jack, he just a side effect of the scheme. Plus I really do not want another season all about Jack, like the last one was.

As to CIA agent who got spears in his chests. It looked to me like the damage can be repaired, the doc stated she repaired the damage. If that truly is the case even if his body is not healing now, if they solved what keeping everyone alive and make sure he on life support and what ever medical intervention he needs before they shut it down or reverse what ever happen he should be prefectly fine as his body own healing function will return. presuming they really did repair all the damage as stated.

One thing that really annoyed me is why did jack not just use his teleporter to get them out of Cardiff when they were surrounded by police or being chase by that helicopter.

An I still fine it hard that Jack old allies would not help him out. An who is keep that mental hospital open, that one that was helping all those rift patents. I still do not believe an organisation as powerful as Torchwood would simply vanished completely.

So who is behind this, I am kind of hoping it torchwood 4, the one that went missing. This way once there plan to restore the British empire is stopped, Jack can take over its resources and rebuild torchwood into a proper organisation again.

The action scene were good and you can tell that for once someone have gave them money to spend. I hope they keep the quality up.

I do not think the concept of miricle day is big enough for ten episodes and I think it will need other stories and expanded plots for it work for 10 episodes. An they better not fixed everything in the last ten seconds like they did last season.

LtColCarter
July 14th, 2011, 07:31 PM
From the preview of the rest of the season. I can say this plot is bigger than Jack.

Who ever behind this, they worried about gathering up whole warehouse full of supplies if there whole plot was just to eliminate one man, why collect so many supplies. So this is not about jack, he just a side effect of the scheme. Plus I really do not want another season all about Jack, like the last one was.

As to CIA agent who got spears in his chests. It looked to me like the damage can be repaired, the doc stated she repaired the damage. If that truly is the case even if his body is not healing now, if they solved what keeping everyone alive and make sure he on life support and what ever medical intervention he needs before they shut it down or reverse what ever happen he should be prefectly fine as his body own healing function will return. presuming they really did repair all the damage as stated.

One thing that really annoyed me is why did jack not just use his teleporter to get them out of Cardiff when they were surrounded by police or being chase by that helicopter.

An I still fine it hard that Jack old allies would not help him out. An who is keep that mental hospital open, that one that was helping all those rift patents. I still do not believe an organisation as powerful as Torchwood would simply vanished completely.

So who is behind this, I am kind of hoping it torchwood 4, the one that went missing. This way once there plan to restore the British empire is stopped, Jack can take over its resources and rebuild torchwood into a proper organisation again.

The action scene were good and you can tell that for once someone have gave them money to spend. I hope they keep the quality up.

I do not think the concept of miricle day is big enough for ten episodes and I think it will need other stories and expanded plots for it work for 10 episodes. An they better not fixed everything in the last ten seconds like they did last season.

This is getting very interesting!

IcarusAbides
July 15th, 2011, 12:01 AM
From the preview of the rest of the season. I can say this plot is bigger than Jack.

No plot is bigger than Jack!!!




So who is behind this, I am kind of hoping it torchwood 4, the one that went missing. This way once there plan to restore the British empire is stopped, Jack can take over its resources and rebuild torchwood into a proper organisation again.


Love this idea that the Torchwood hub that went missing has gone rogue somehow.

Fandom Addict
July 15th, 2011, 01:21 AM
Am I the only one that hated it? I loved the first three series, but this one is terrible! It's got far too American, there were gapping holes and really bad acting! For example when Rex was trying to get out of hospital. Also, there is no way that the phone would have stayed on him in that position.

The bit that really annoyed me was when Rex was on the phone to Esther all through the hospital, in the cab, on the plane and then until he got to Gwen's house in Wales, all while having the same conversation! Yet when did he get time to ring that woman to bring his passport? And it would take ages to get from Heathrow to the Welsh border and to the seaside. The conversation would have been finished by that time! Why was he not stopped by police or someone at the toll-border if he'd have been on the phone all the time while driving. The UK have a ban on using mobile phones while driving. It wouldn't matter if he was CIA, it is dangerous driving!

Honestly, I thought it was terrible. I'll try the next episode, but I don't think it will be any better judging by the trailer. Bring back the warmth of the British only Torchwood! At least that was well thought out!

Blencathra
July 15th, 2011, 02:03 AM
I see where you are coming from. I didn't feel an overwhelming love for it either. But I think most of this first episode is an introduction for people who haven't seen TW before, so I'm happy to keep watching & hopefully it will get better. However, I did like the look of the trailer for the upcoming episodes. :)

BTW It wasn't the same long continuous conversation. It was snippets of different conversations all edited together. For example, we know that he wasn't on the phone on the aeroplane as Jack grabbed the phone off him & turned it off.

Fandom Addict
July 15th, 2011, 02:14 AM
There was a gap yes, but I meant really from landing then all the way to Wales. And the conversation flowed, like it was all one.

Darren
July 15th, 2011, 03:17 AM
Thought it was a reasonably good start to a 10-part series, considering it had to 1) introduce a new audience to the old characters (and mythology), and 2) introduce new characters to the old audience.

Bill Pullman's immediate release from prison will go down in history as one of the biggest suspensions of disbelief I've ever had to muster for a TV show. Even if he has a valid argument (he doesn't -- it's metaphysical, based on a definition of an "act of God"), he'd be tied up in legal proceedings indefinitely. Serving the sentence for his crime aside, he's an immediate danger to society.

The second thing I had a big problem with was the CIA guy's flight from the hospital and trans-Atlantic travel. No intervention from hospital staff / security as he is grabbing pills (not even looking to see what they are), throwing them in his mouth and stuffing them in his pockets? Absolutely ridiculous. He's acting like a crazy person, breaking the law, stealing ... all in the name of "I work for the CIA and I have am important mission!" The whole sequence was quite stupid, really, and made me dislike the character and shake my head at Russell Davies.

I liked the female CIA agent, though I have no idea what her name is. Her first encounter with Jack was very reminiscent of how Gwen started out with Torchwood.

Loved Gwen (she looks great). Baby is super-cute. And Rhys is exactly right that, after the last few years, they need to stay as far away from anything Torchwoody. ... Until the whole world is at risk of collapse within 4 months, that is.

I also don't understand why, after the events of Children of Earth, they're still being hunted. Keeping a low profile is one thing. But black helicopters shooting rockets at their house while the world is in the middle of a Torchwoody crisis? If this continues without explanation, I'm going to be frustrated.

[For anyone who is interested: News reports last week said that Starz and the BBC are going to air different cuts, one with more adult stuff and the other potentially longer in runtime. I ran the Starz version on my PC in sync with the BBC broadcast, and for this first episode they were shot-for-shot identical.]

Matt G
July 15th, 2011, 05:57 AM
1. Interesting how they started things in the US.

2. Oh come on...are we seriously meant to believe that Gwen and Rhys don't have the Internet at least?

3. Danes is scum and others here have a point, surely TPTB would find a way to keep him locked up!

4. First impression of CIA characters...meh!

5. All we know right now is that Jack isn't healing...that does not mean he isn't still immortal and even if he wasn't...pretty sure than at one point he wanted to be fixed.

So far, meh.

Matt G
July 15th, 2011, 05:57 AM
1. Interesting how they started things in the US.

2. Oh come on...are we seriously meant to believe that Gwen and Rhys don't have the Internet at least?

3. Danes is scum and others here have a point, surely TPTB would find a way to keep him locked up!

4. First impression of CIA characters...meh!

5. All we know right now is that Jack isn't healing...that does not mean he isn't still immortal and even if he wasn't...pretty sure than at one point he wanted to be fixed.

So far, meh.

Tanith0709
July 15th, 2011, 06:02 AM
One thing that really annoyed me is why did jack not just use his teleporter to get them out of Cardiff when they were surrounded by police or being chase by that helicopter.
I thought the 10th Doctor disabled that part of the gadget.

Starfist
July 15th, 2011, 08:58 AM
Darren has reminded me of a thought I had.

The Female CIA agent... The American 'Gwen'...?
Just a thought.

knowles2
July 15th, 2011, 12:43 PM
I thought the 10th Doctor disabled that part of the gadget.

He disable the time traveling part of the gadget. While still enabling the teleporter part. It reason why the last time we saw him he was on a space station sitting at a alien bar sulking about how he saved the Earth, and then the doctor pointed out the barmen is gay. Unless I got my timeline muck up.




[For anyone who is interested: News reports last week said that Starz and the BBC are going to air different cuts, one with more adult stuff and the other potentially longer in runtime. I ran the Starz version on my PC in sync with the BBC broadcast, and for this first episode they were shot-for-shot identical.]

Good to hear. I suspect Starz stretch out it time slot to a little to allow for the same 1st episode. I suspect as we get into the sex scenes and there seem plenty of them we will see difference starting to appear. Why I suspect the bbc version will lumbered with more wide angle shots and more fly passes.

Tanith0709
July 15th, 2011, 03:12 PM
It reason why the last time we saw him he was on a space station sitting at a alien bar sulking about how he saved the Earth, and then the doctor pointed out the barmen is gay. Unless I got my timeline muck up.

I just assumed that he contacted a nearby alien ship to hitch a ride and they transported him aboard.

mjwalshe
July 16th, 2011, 08:12 AM
I just assumed that he contacted a nearby alien ship to hitch a ride and they transported him aboard.
well dont for get that TW airs without adverts in the uk so they might need to adjust the shot order so that you dont get wierd jumps.

LtColCarter
July 16th, 2011, 11:44 AM
well dont for get that TW airs without adverts in the uk so they might need to adjust the shot order so that you dont get wierd jumps.

On Starz ours airs without commercials as well.

Catanya
December 20th, 2011, 06:53 PM
Hello everyone, my first post. Sorry it has to be a bit of a complainer. But here goes: I've been a fan of Torchwood since the beginning, but this is the first time I'm seeing the new "Americanized" version. And so far I'm not liking it. Mainly because of the way the Americans are being portrayed, heartless, brain dead, criminal freeing <snip> Starting off with an execution in Kentucky, let the stereotypes begin. And oh they did! Next the CIA guy being happy about the woman with cancer cause it helped his career, the nurse on the news freaking out about how they're all just corpses and she's refusing to touch them. CIA guy having a free reign, grabbing drugs and doing whatever the hell he felt like just cause he's an "American CIA agent". Come on RTD give me a break. I would know this was a non-Americans version of America even if I didn't already know it.

The story has me intrigued enough to check out the next episode but the unending American stereotypes has me dreading it as well. Sorry I have to introduce myself this way (assuming this makes it past moderation) but it really bugs me that the world is on an America bashing kick and RTD is buying in and cashing in on the ignorance.

P-90_177
December 27th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Hello everyone, my first post. Sorry it has to be a bit of a complainer. But here goes: I've been a fan of Torchwood since the beginning, but this is the first time I'm seeing the new "Americanized" version. And so far I'm not liking it. Mainly because of the way the Americans are being portrayed, heartless, brain dead, criminal freeing <snip> Starting off with an execution in Kentucky, let the stereotypes begin. And oh they did! Next the CIA guy being happy about the woman with cancer cause it helped his career, the nurse on the news freaking out about how they're all just corpses and she's refusing to touch them. CIA guy having a free reign, grabbing drugs and doing whatever the hell he felt like just cause he's an "American CIA agent". Come on RTD give me a break. I would know this was a non-Americans version of America even if I didn't already know it.

The story has me intrigued enough to check out the next episode but the unending American stereotypes has me dreading it as well. Sorry I have to introduce myself this way (assuming this makes it past moderation) but it really bugs me that the world is on an America bashing kick and RTD is buying in and cashing in on the ignorance.

Hi Catanya. I understand perhaps the issue you have with it. But it is still a riproaring story so please stick with it.

Keep in mind however that in series 3 you had a very negative image of the british authorities too. I don't think it's america RTD has a problem with, i think it's authority figures in general.