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July 5th, 2011, 07:01 PM
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The team must locate and protect Skylar, an Alpha whose inventions could be dangerous in the wrong hands. <I>(TV Guide)</I>

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Gollumpus
August 23rd, 2011, 10:58 AM
Well, I have to admit that I was not that surprised that Sandra tried to keep Gary from working with Rosen and company. For all the times they placed him in dangerous situations, I'm surprised she didn't try to sue their butts.

It was also a good/bad thing to see Gary standing up for himself against his mother's influence. On the one hand, it shows growth in the character (a constant theme in the series thus far). On the other hand, Sandra still has fears over Gary's safety and that he doesn't quite realize into what kind of a situation he is getting himself (as witnessed by her crying as Gary went to bed. Those were tears of relief that he was okay, but also tears showing her fear that he will be harmed or even killed).

It's nice that Bill is thinking of kids. If nothing else, it will provide an avenue for a new storyline which involves his and Jeannie's child (born or still in the womb) possibly having some kind of "super-alpha" ability. It was interesting that he asked Hicks about his kid and whether or not he was displaying any signs of alpha-like abilities, as had Rosen in the pilot episode. Rosen did mention (something like) that Skylar's kid was the first known instance of alpha ability being passed along to the next generation. This was an interesting piece of information.

Otherwise, I thought it was a too easy for Skylar to be able to make up her "zapper" right under their noses. I would have thought she would have had access to her tools curtailed or that she would have been placed under closer supervision. Yes, she wasn't a prisoner, however, she was still someone about whom you had concerns over her motivations.

And how did Rosen and company gain access so easily to those DoD facilities where Skylar had her own version of Cerebro? I'm surprised they gained such easy access especially after a security breach.

regards,
G.

Commander Zelix
August 23rd, 2011, 01:59 PM
Great episode this week again. Skylar was a good character and it's fun to see our alphas in action with some personal stuff sprinkled here and there. Alphas has become my favorite show on Syfy and during the summer (still on) beside Futurama. This episode, as the others, has great balance between humor and serious issues. The fact that it is more serious than W13 is more than welcome to me, even if I think W13 is great too.

Gollumpus
August 23rd, 2011, 02:54 PM
It was nice that we had more back story for Gary, Bill and Nina. I'm wondering when we will see an attempt at a resolution to Rachel's problems.

I was also amused by the (un)intentional "dog with its nose out the window" moment with Rachel tracking the bio-diesel scent of Skylar's stolen car.

regards,
G.

dtheories
August 23rd, 2011, 03:23 PM
I was also amused by the (un)intentional "dog with its nose out the window" moment with Rachel tracking the bio-diesel scent of Skylar's stolen car.

The diesel fuel trail and missing Volvo were a little too convenient, but I loved all those little bugs Skylar kept sending out into the air. They tracked or deflected, scouted or did whatever she wanted them to. Cute toy! Like Stargate, the thing that makes this show tick is the relationship building going on amongst the characters. It’s fascinating to watch them each developing their sense of self within the team and protecting each other…within the team or as Alphas, in general. Very enjoyable.

Gollumpus
August 23rd, 2011, 04:15 PM
The diesel fuel trail and missing Volvo were a little too convenient, but I loved all those little bugs Skylar kept sending out into the air. They tracked or deflected, scouted or did whatever she wanted them to. Cute toy! Like Stargate, the thing that makes this show tick is the relationship building going on amongst the characters. It’s fascinating to watch them each developing their sense of self within the team and protecting each other…within the team or as Alphas, in general. Very enjoyable.

I also liked that Skylar had come prepared to deal with the alphas she knew (eg. Nina) by inventing the contacts which prevent her from being "pushed". I wonder how long it will be before someone else figures out such a device.

I'm assuming Red Flag has to be scouting out the abilities of Rosen and his group. There's been close, first hand experience with Gary ("Rosetta") and what he can do, and how to nullify him. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of strategy being plotted on how best to overcome the entire group.

Rachel's senses could be overloaded such that she could not use any of her senses without extreme discomfort and disorientation. Bill could be duped into using his ability only to have the real threat waiting until he is as weak as a kitten. As for Nina, "...well, Nina never does anything she doesn't want to do..." (Rosen), however, if someone figures out that she needs to make eye contact then how well will her power work against Skylar's special lenses, or if she is in a dark room or is blindfolded, or her opponent is blind? And while Hicks is new to the group, his abilities were known to Red Flag before Rosen and company were ever aware of his existence, so I'd imagine that Red Flag could figure out how to use his ability against him.

regards,
G.

rosey_angel
August 23rd, 2011, 07:42 PM
Good episode, but one thing that really annoyed me was Sandra messing with Gary's schedule. My sister is high functioning Aspergers and ADD (basically, she found ways to cope with the issues so she functions well) so I don't have any experience with Autism but from all the reading I know that you don't take someone on the Autism Spectrum off their schedule! It's how they cope. Sandra is lucky he only yelled at her once and didn't have a full on panic attack.

But it was a good episode, and I love the relationship between the group. It's just getting better and better, and I love seeing more of it expanding over the series. Plus, I love the coffee machine at the end :P gotta have one of those

morbosfist
August 23rd, 2011, 08:04 PM
Considering the alternative in her eyes was risking his life in Rosen's care, it's understandable that she'd think changing his schedule was acceptable. He'd probably adapt after a while, or at least she'd hope so.

IcarusAbides
August 24th, 2011, 05:13 AM
Pretty good episode, I enjoyed it a lot. Nice to see Gary saving the day and coordinating the attack on the house and I really liked the bit where Bill went off and got Gary three different types of purple drink, I would have expected him to just grab any and tell Gary to deal with it but he didn't.

The only thing I would say is that I expected Bill to be against having a child after this episode, I know Skylar's child is amazingly gifted but it does mean that she may always behunted by people who want to use her ability. I thought Bill would have decided not to have a child and risk having them hunted for their entire life but it was nice to see him getting excited about being a dad.

Commander Zelix
August 24th, 2011, 01:12 PM
I thought Bill would have decided not to have a child and risk having them hunted for their entire life but it was nice to see him getting excited about being a dad.
Since Bill is not hunted down himself, I don't think he saw it that way. His child would probably have similar power to him which are not the type of power an Alphas could get hunted down for.

IcarusAbides
August 24th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Since Bill is not hunted down himself, I don't think he saw it that way. His child would probably have similar power to him which are not the type of power an Alphas could get hunted down for.

I see that, although Skylar's little girl's ability was different to her own so they might not be the same. I'm just saying that with Red Flag becoming more active and the government locking more people up in bimmington(sp) and now the NSA chasing Alphas who have useful abilities it might not be the best idea to have a child.

morbosfist
August 24th, 2011, 06:54 PM
Skylar only got in trouble the NSA because she decided to work for them in the first place, then tried to back out. Bill, on the other hand, has DOD approval and protection from Rosen. They'd be hard pressed to just grab his child without a huge fuss being thrown.

IcarusAbides
August 24th, 2011, 07:16 PM
Skylar only got in trouble the NSA because she decided to work for them in the first place, then tried to back out. Bill, on the other hand, has DOD approval and protection from Rosen. They'd be hard pressed to just grab his child without a huge fuss being thrown.

Fair enough and yes she did work for the NSA but don't forget that the guys Rosen works for wanted to grab her and hold her against her will to get her to work for them.

morbosfist
August 24th, 2011, 07:26 PM
She did blow up a building (or part of one), and they had reason to suspect she was up to no good. She was being left alone as long as she wasn't any danger.

IcarusAbides
August 24th, 2011, 07:52 PM
She did blow up a building (or part of one), and they had reason to suspect she was up to no good. She was being left alone as long as she wasn't any danger.

No not the NSA, the guys Rosen works for, Sullivan the handler said to Rosen that they want to apprehend her and make her work for them, she said that Skylar would receive compensation but that she would be caught and forced to work for them.

If she was to be caught and then tried in court and then imprisoned for assault on NSA agents and blowing up the building I could understand that but they wanted her to work for them.

morbosfist
August 25th, 2011, 11:46 AM
But still, they never tried it until the unpleasantness, and though I may be remembering the chain of events wrong, there were still the encrypted signals to worry about. Skylar was being left alone, until she started to cause trouble.

RJLCyberPunk
August 25th, 2011, 11:53 AM
But still, they never tried it until the unpleasantness, and though I may be remembering the chain of events wrong, there were still the encrypted signals to worry about. Skylar was being left alone, until she started to cause trouble.


She only started to cause trouble after the NSA began to try to capture her.

Gollumpus
August 25th, 2011, 12:34 PM
Since Bill is not hunted down himself, I don't think he saw it that way. His child would probably have similar power to him which are not the type of power an Alphas could get hunted down for.

When did alpha abilities first become recognized as alpha abilities? From whom, or what, did the current "crop" of alphas get their abilities? I do not recall seeing any kind of timeline, such as "It all started after that big meteor shower in 1984...". Has this been going on for a long period of time (centuries)? Is it a recent phenomenon? There seems to be a bit of a range in ages in alphas from what we have seen so far. And there doesn't seem to be a sure thing that if one of your parents was an alpha then you would be as well ("Never Let Me Go" - as far as we know, Chris Elkhart did not possess any alpha abilities).

This is an interesting idea as to what kind of an ability (abilities?) the offspring of an alpha parent might possess, assuming that the child did inherit an ability. Who says that it would have to be a more physical oriented ability if that is what the parent possesses? We have only seen one example (Zoe) of a child of an alpha also being an alpha.

What if the child's parents are both alphas, and one has a "physical result" ability (eg. Bill, Cameron) while the other has a "mental result" ability (eg. Nina, Gary). Example: Hicks and Nina have a child. Does the kid get exactly one power, related to the ability of one parent (and if so, which one?), or would the kid get two abilities, each related to one parent's ability (and if so, which one?), or two abilities with one from each side of the tracks?

regards,
G.

Galileo_Galilee
August 25th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Another unstoppable Skylar?

It's not like we haven't seen that one before.

Poor Glau, keeps on getting typecast.

Ah well, at least it pays the bills.

Commander Zelix
August 25th, 2011, 07:52 PM
I see that, although Skylar's little girl's ability was different to her own so they might not be the same. I'm just saying that with Red Flag becoming more active and the government locking more people up in bimmington(sp) and now the NSA chasing Alphas who have useful abilities it might not be the best idea to have a child.
Yes, you may be right about that. But I understand Bill's point of view. He didn't see a mother on the run because of her alphas ability, since his child will not be hunted more than him, but the mother's love for her child. It softened his point of view about having a child.

Commander Zelix
August 25th, 2011, 08:00 PM
When did alpha abilities first become recognized as alpha abilities? From whom, or what, did the current "crop" of alphas get their abilities? I do not recall seeing any kind of timeline, such as "It all started after that big meteor shower in 1984...". Has this been going on for a long period of time (centuries)? Is it a recent phenomenon? There seems to be a bit of a range in ages in alphas from what we have seen so far.
From what I understood their powers are not magical or something like that but just a particular ultra rare genetic abilities. So from that point of view Alphas abilities are simply transmitted, or not, as any genetic traits of parents to their child. The alpha power of the child must be pretty similar than the one of the parent. I guess, from that theory, that it's possible for the child to have 2 powers if both parents got power (or have none of it).

But the question about the origin of the Alphas in history is interesting. It could open up a great storyline. For example, yes their abilities may be genetic, but it could have been engineered by something or someone 3 or more decades in the past.

Gollumpus
August 25th, 2011, 11:46 PM
From what I understood their powers are not magical or something like that but just a particular ultra rare genetic abilities. So from that point of view Alphas abilities are simply transmitted, or not, as any genetic traits of parents to their child. The alpha power of the child must be pretty similar than the one of the parent. I guess, from that theory, that it's possible for the child to have 2 powers if both parents got power (or have none of it).

But the question about the origin of the Alphas in history is interesting. It could open up a great storyline. For example, yes their abilities may be genetic, but it could have been engineered by something or someone 3 or more decades in the past.

I have a fear that it could become a Roswell/Area-51/X-files type of show. In place of aliens, or atomic radiation the cause will be the INTERNET which is changing people for its own reasons, and eventually a guy who will be known as "The One" will be able to manipulate the internet (Gary as Neo?). Maybe a scene with red pills would be cool... Nah, I'm not buying it either. I hope that the folks responsible for this show have an idea better than anything which has been done before.

regards,
G.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TbmcgGsXyU

Commander Zelix
August 26th, 2011, 06:10 AM
I have a fear that it could become a Roswell/Area-51/X-files type of show. In place of aliens, or atomic radiation the cause will be the INTERNET which is changing people for its own reasons, and eventually a guy who will be known as "The One" will be able to manipulate the internet (Gary as Neo?). Maybe a scene with red pills would be cool... Nah, I'm not buying it either. I hope that the folks responsible for this show have an idea better than anything which has been done before.

regards,
G.

You have a really pessimist and negative view of things. Ready to nitpick things before the storyline even began. I have no such rules as you about future storylines. There's nothing original since Shakespeare. You just never realized it. For example, I always viewed the SGC as the Enterprise and the wormhole as the transporter beam. Making Stargate pretty similar to Star Trek (which it is), but at the same time very different. For one myself just enjoy the ride. An Alphas origin storyline could be fun. Those writers knows how to write good stuff.

rosey_angel
August 27th, 2011, 12:26 AM
That's very true. It was something that jumped out at me, because they have done so well making an Autistic person realistic (not looking people in the eyes, repitition, fixations, not eating food that touches other foods)

LtColCarter
August 27th, 2011, 06:38 AM
Enjoyed this episode! :) I liked Gary standing up to his Mom and doing his own thing.

Commander Zelix
August 29th, 2011, 05:08 PM
I wonder if we'll see Gary use his new cell phone tonight?

Gollumpus
August 29th, 2011, 09:22 PM
You have a really pessimist and negative view of things. Ready to nitpick things before the storyline even began. I have no such rules as you about future storylines. There's nothing original since Shakespeare. You just never realized it. For example, I always viewed the SGC as the Enterprise and the wormhole as the transporter beam. Making Stargate pretty similar to Star Trek (which it is), but at the same time very different. For one myself just enjoy the ride. An Alphas origin storyline could be fun. Those writers knows how to write good stuff.

I see what I write as pro-active complaining. :P

And what was so good about Shakespeare? "After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations." - H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956). Was Shakespeare so original either? Perhaps not, but he had the advantage of most folks not having been previously exposed to such works of art as his own (or Bacon's, if you choose to belief such heresy).

If indeed, as you suggest, that there has been nothing original since Shakespeare then we are in the same amusement park. The difference is this (as I see it): I choose to voice my concern that the writers *might* go down a more obvious, cliche road, while you seem to suggest (to me) that you choose to accept whatever is put before you, regardless of the quality.

I am a fan of this show and I care what kind of story lines they choose to pursue. You suggest that you are willing to accept whatever you get ("...just enjoy the ride"), regardless of whether the ride is smooth or bumpy, has a direction or merely wanders about without aim or destination. Maybe you will choose to complain *if* the ride is bumpy, or perhaps you will continue to enjoy the scenery from the merry-go-round should that be the ticket you get.

Personally, I want a roller coaster.

regards,
G.

PS - and I always thought Stargate was more based upon this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091617/

aretood2
September 2nd, 2011, 06:05 PM
Skylar's story took an interesting turn, never thought she was trying to hide her daughter (that she had one). Also interesting that the DOD was willing to force her to work with them. They don't seem very nice.

I liked how Gary stood up for himself, a mistake many people do is try to baby Autistic individuals. While certain care is needed, there is a limit. Autism is a disability, but people all too often turn it into a handicap and imprison people with it. Gary can take care of himself and for the most part, he understands the risks.

ZeroPoint
September 5th, 2011, 12:12 PM
Gollumpus:

I hope they don't do any heritage type plots or at least hope they don't go into it in depth. It will add a ton of unnecessary characters, because you'd have to then go into the parents of each of the main characters. This is repeating what I feel is one of the downfalls of the "Heroes" storyline.

Similar to the "Alpha event" you brought up. In Heroes, it was an eclipse, where the more it was mentioned, the less sense it made.

I'd prefer the theme (supported by the Alphas story line so far) that this first generation of Alphas, which is why they are referenced as Alpha's. Skylar's child would then be defined as the first known "Beta", but they likely won't reference that again. The parents don't matter because they don't have abilities.

Gollumpus
September 5th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Gollumpus:

I hope they don't do any heritage type plots or at least hope they don't go into it in depth. It will add a ton of unnecessary characters, because you'd have to then go into the parents of each of the main characters. This is repeating what I feel is one of the downfalls of the "Heroes" storyline.

Similar to the "Alpha event" you brought up. In Heroes, it was an eclipse, where the more it was mentioned, the less sense it made.

I'd prefer the theme (supported by the Alphas story line so far) that this first generation of Alphas, which is why they are referenced as Alpha's. Skylar's child would then be defined as the first known "Beta", but they likely won't reference that again. The parents don't matter because they don't have abilities.

Yup. However, what if "Alphas" just refers to those who are the first to have been recognized as having an ability rather than being the first ones to actually possessing an ability?

I wasn't so much wanting the writers to get into all sorts of specific family related story lines, but rather that at some point (I'm assuming) they will have to address why all of these folks have these abilities. It's all part of who/what/when/where/why. I can't see this show going too much longer without the writers addressing this question. Even if they come out and say, "We don't know why this happened, and never will" they will have to say *something*.

If the Alpha abilities were due to the effect of a one-time event (like with the "Midwich Cuckoos" or the eclipse in "Heroes"), then we could expect the Alphas to all be around the same age. This doesn't seem to be the case due to the range in ages we have seen. Jessica Elkhart ("Never Let Me Go") is perhaps the oldest alpha we have seen and yet one of the more recent Alphas. Bill is the oldest of the Alpha group (or at least the actor is the eldest), while the rest are all about the same age (looking at the actors ages). I'm not sure if Gary is supposed to be younger, or if the actor is playing him younger than his actual age. And the Alpha from "Anger Management" is supposed to be late teens or early twenties. This gives us a range of 20 to 30 years. And then we can throw in the "Beta" Zoe, who is 5 years old to really skew the numbers.

Was this a location related event? Related to something to which people came into contact?

I'd assume that the DoD (if not Rosen himself) would already have been asking these questions. If they want to limit the effects on the general population and exert some sort of control then knowing how it all started would be useful.

And when do these abilities become active? The general suggestion was that they would manifest themselves around puberty (eg. Hicks), yet this does not seem to be the case with Jessica Elkhart. Was she born with this dormant ability, and when the right set of circumstances came along she was able to invoke it? Or, was the potential for an alpha ability granted to her at some point after her birth and she created the specifics of that ability due to her circumstances (ie. family tragedy). My assumption on Bill is that his ability was a fairly recent thing related to events surrounding his suspension from the CIA. And once again, we have Zoe to consider in this question. So what is the time line of people gaining an Alpha ability?

And do the individual Alphas have an effect on what type of Alpha ability they get? Hicks' abilities are related to what he was doing (pitching) and helped him succeed in that area. Bill's ability might seem appropriate for his chosen job, but I don't recall any instance of folks suggesting that he was always able to ramp up while he was with the CIA. And what a great ability his would be if you wanted to play professional sports. He could be an unstoppable running back in those instances where his team really needed to get that big score... and there's never been any mention of such a thing in his past. I get the impression that Nina has had her ability for some time (due to her past history with Rosen).

Anyhoo, if they want to get past the "Alpha of the week" or "what's Red Flag up to now?" type of stories then an origin story will have to be brought forward.

regards,
G.

Commander Zelix
September 5th, 2011, 11:17 PM
If indeed, as you suggest, that there has been nothing original since Shakespeare then we are in the same amusement park. The difference is this (as I see it): I choose to voice my concern that the writers *might* go down a more obvious, cliche road, while you seem to suggest (to me) that you choose to accept whatever is put before you, regardless of the quality.

We won't discuss personal taste. I'm sure what you see as "not being a cliche", I view it as a cliche. I mention above how Stargate SG1 was pretty similar to Star Trek to me. For me, it's more about how I enjoy a movie or TV show. I think Alphas got good dialogues, good stories, good writers, fun episodes and Alphas combined many things together in an entertaining way.

I hate it when people start to have "rules" about how TV shows should be. They are often very ridiculous rules. There's no such rules. Probably because people have different tastes and the quality of a TV shows is very subjective. I've watched many Sci-fi TV series and movies. I feel there's something fresh about Alphas, at least up to now.

Gollumpus
September 6th, 2011, 08:55 PM
We won't discuss personal taste. I'm sure what you see as "not being a cliche", I view it as a cliche. I mention above how Stargate SG1 was pretty similar to Star Trek to me. For me, it's more about how I enjoy a movie or TV show. I think Alphas got good dialogues, good stories, good writers, fun episodes and Alphas combined many things together in an entertaining way.

I hate it when people start to have "rules" about how TV shows should be. They are often very ridiculous rules. There's no such rules. Probably because people have different tastes and the quality of a TV shows is very subjective. I've watched many Sci-fi TV series and movies. I feel there's something fresh about Alphas, at least up to now.


I suspect that what I would view as not being cliche would not be seen as being cliche by you as well. We may even share a point of view of what might be cliche, in some (most?) circumstances. :)

Your Stargate/ Star Trek comparison is good as far as it goes, but to get a more accurate TV comparison you might indeed have to go back to the 50's TV westerns (or even earlier), such shows as "The Lone Ranger" where the hero (Kirk as Lone Ranger) comes to town just in time to remedy a situation, and then moves on by the end of the episode.

I see "Alphas" as being in the same, ancient tradition of storytelling which includes Harry Potter, the Arthurian legends and even earlier myths and sagas. There is at least one mentor who guides the hero(es) through various troubles until there is a conclusion. Sometimes the hero is perfect, sometimes the hero is flawed. Sometimes that conclusion is a happy ending, sometimes the guy screws up and things go south. The flawed hero, in the tragic tale is far more interesting (to me) than a perfect being who floats through life.

I believe we are in agreement about the qualities of this show. Where we differ (dare I say, "In my opinion"? :P) is I hope the writers will not pursue certain story lines and I am willing to express this opinion prior to any given episode is aired. As I see it, we're walking the same path. I say, "I hope the writers don't send us down that fork in the road because the other one looks more interesting", before we get to that fork in the road. My assumption is that you would say, "Gee, I wish the writers hadn't sent us down that fork in the road", but only after we were sent down that path.

When, if ever (under your own rules as I see them), would you be able to express a negative view of this or any other series should there be reason for you to do so? If the writers of Alphas introduced a cliche (in your opinion of what is cliche) story line, something which is a season or series long arc, and it's boring you to no end, it is ruining everything which you enjoy about this show. Will you wait until that arc is resolved before saying anything about it? Or, will you at some earlier point, express a negative view of what is going on? And as soon as you express this negative view prior to the story's resolution, are you not guilty of the same negativism of which I have been accused?

Apropos to nothing in particular, your comments about how you enjoy a movie or TV show have reminded me a scene from "The Bill Chill":

Sam Weber: [Sam enters a room where Nick is up late watching TV] What's this?
Nick: I'm not sure.
Sam Weber: What's it about?
Nick: I don't know.
Sam Weber: [Sam shakes his head, pats Nick on the shoulder, then sits in a nearby chair] Who's that?
Nick: I think the guy in the hat did something terrible.
[shot of TV shows a man being thrown through the glass window of a door]
Sam Weber: Like what?
Nick: You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you.
[Sam rolls his eyes]

I can't say I have "rules" about TV shows. Beyond preferences for high quality in my TV I can't say I've ever expressed an opinion on any rules, ridiculous or otherwise. I want shows I watch to *continue* to be well written, have great directors, actors, and quality production values. I say continue because the show would have had these parts in place from when I started watching, otherwise I wouldn't have gone back for another viewing.


regards,
G.

Hyndara71
September 7th, 2011, 04:13 AM
Wow, I'm surprised! At least one episode I could enjoy. Summer Glau was a good choice and played very, very well. Maybe someone should tell TPTB that they could change their focus back from their ... uhm ... group and more about the Skylar-character and the way she is now going. Would be much more interesting.

aretood2
September 7th, 2011, 06:36 PM
I suspect that what I would view as not being cliche would not be seen as being cliche by you as well. We may even share a point of view of what might be cliche, in some (most?) circumstances. :)

Your Stargate/ Star Trek comparison is good as far as it goes, but to get a more accurate TV comparison you might indeed have to go back to the 50's TV westerns (or even earlier), such shows as "The Lone Ranger" where the hero (Kirk as Lone Ranger) comes to town just in time to remedy a situation, and then moves on by the end of the episode.

I see "Alphas" as being in the same, ancient tradition of storytelling which includes Harry Potter, the Arthurian legends and even earlier myths and sagas. There is at least one mentor who guides the hero(es) through various troubles until there is a conclusion. Sometimes the hero is perfect, sometimes the hero is flawed. Sometimes that conclusion is a happy ending, sometimes the guy screws up and things go south. The flawed hero, in the tragic tale is far more interesting (to me) than a perfect being who floats through life.

I believe we are in agreement about the qualities of this show. Where we differ (dare I say, "In my opinion"? :P) is I hope the writers will not pursue certain story lines and I am willing to express this opinion prior to any given episode is aired. As I see it, we're walking the same path. I say, "I hope the writers don't send us down that fork in the road because the other one looks more interesting", before we get to that fork in the road. My assumption is that you would say, "Gee, I wish the writers hadn't sent us down that fork in the road", but only after we were sent down that path.

When, if ever (under your own rules as I see them), would you be able to express a negative view of this or any other series should there be reason for you to do so? If the writers of Alphas introduced a cliche (in your opinion of what is cliche) story line, something which is a season or series long arc, and it's boring you to no end, it is ruining everything which you enjoy about this show. Will you wait until that arc is resolved before saying anything about it? Or, will you at some earlier point, express a negative view of what is going on? And as soon as you express this negative view prior to the story's resolution, are you not guilty of the same negativism of which I have been accused?

Apropos to nothing in particular, your comments about how you enjoy a movie or TV show have reminded me a scene from "The Bill Chill":

Sam Weber: [Sam enters a room where Nick is up late watching TV] What's this?
Nick: I'm not sure.
Sam Weber: What's it about?
Nick: I don't know.
Sam Weber: [Sam shakes his head, pats Nick on the shoulder, then sits in a nearby chair] Who's that?
Nick: I think the guy in the hat did something terrible.
[shot of TV shows a man being thrown through the glass window of a door]
Sam Weber: Like what?
Nick: You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you.
[Sam rolls his eyes]

I can't say I have "rules" about TV shows. Beyond preferences for high quality in my TV I can't say I've ever expressed an opinion on any rules, ridiculous or otherwise. I want shows I watch to *continue* to be well written, have great directors, actors, and quality production values. I say continue because the show would have had these parts in place from when I started watching, otherwise I wouldn't have gone back for another viewing.


regards,
G.

Hi there, I think it's all in how you put things into words. Exposition can really change what you are saying into something different. Perhaps the feelings some get is that you are stating things as if they were facts as opposed to opinions. I get that vibe. So if you ask me, don't worry about people thinking you're being pessimistic and such.

Gollumpus
September 14th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Been away for a week or so, or I'd have given a response at some point sooner. :)

Yeah, saying things on the Internet can affect the reception of what is being "said". Sometimes things meant in jest are not recognized by people whom you have never met. I try to use smiley's :) whenever possible, or I remember to do so.

For me, anything I've written is an opinion. I'm not sure that anything I've said was stated as a "fact". In many cases I've gone through a process of outlining why I have the opinion I hold. I support my opinion with "facts" from any particular episode. Shown events are interpreted to shape an opinion (eg. Me: Gary is constantly being put at risk by the team. Evidence: Gary gets abandoned by other team members resulting in him getting beaten up, zapped by Anna, and arrested). If someone has a different opinion and can support it well enough then I am perfectly willing to alter my opinion. I don't carry a lot of ego when I'm posting on forums like these (perhaps some will disagree :P).

Anyhoo, I was going to suggest that if anyone wanted to discuss anything on this topic then we could move to the general chat area or create a new thread so we can leave this poor episode in peace. :P

regards,
G.

knowles2
December 4th, 2011, 04:02 PM
I see that, although Skylar's little girl's ability was different to her own so they might not be the same. I'm just saying that with Red Flag becoming more active and the government locking more people up in bimmington(sp) and now the NSA chasing Alphas who have useful abilities it might not be the best idea to have a child.

Not really, her girl powers were the same, inventing new stuff and being hyper intelligent, it just expressed mathematically rather than technologically. That could change as she grows up.


CATCH AND RELEASE was the best episode I have seen yet, Love the dragon flies robots. I would have actually like the the daughter and mother became a permanent members of the team or at least the team aces up there sleeves rather than have them drive into the sun set. .