How many sister cities did we see? I've revisited the first two seasons. Season 2 featured "The Tower," a city similar to Atlantis, but it had become buried in land and vegetation of the millennia. In Season 3's "Progeny," we're introduced to the Asuran civilization which featured at least one Atlantis-like city. Finally, the Asuran rebels had their own duplicate Atlantis. Aside from "The Tower" and Asuran cities, did we see any other Atlantis sister cities? It's been years since I've seen the later seasons.
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Originally posted by hedwig View PostIt would have been interesting for the expedition to find a few more Atlantis-type cities in Pegasus.Blue is such a nice color, especially if you have wings.
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Originally posted by Skie View PostI disagree, because what made Atlantis special in the first place was that it IS Atlantis. The existence of the city of the Asurans is ok, because they "are" the Ancients and of course you wouldn't find them living together. But the sister city in THE TOWER was so pointless and a badly written episode anyway.
However, I do agree with your comment about "The Tower" being badly written and pointless. Just watched it again this week, and kept finding bits through that just didn't make much sense at all. Oh well.
And going slightly off topic, I'd like to have seen our expedition meet some of those more advanced civilizations that Fran/Elizabeth mentioned in "Ghost in the Machine" that her group had come across in their travels.
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Originally posted by hedwig View PostI find it kind of hard to believe that the ancients built only one city. Atlantis IS Atlantis, but there could have been other similar cities with different names throughout the Pegasus Galaxy. I had the impression from that hologram thingy on Atlantis that described the war with the wraith, that there were other outposts in the Pegasus Galaxy where other ancients lived, and that Atlantis was the last of those. Though it is distinctly possible I'm misremembering that bit; it wouldn't be the first time (or the last).
Yes, I wouldn't mind outposts like the one in INFERNO. That would make sense of course but I would let Atlantis be the ONLY big city. Probably she meant outposts or Ancient settlements when she said "(...) until finally only Atlantis remained". But I don't think there were any other cities because she also said "This city's great shield was powerful enough to withstand their terrible weapons but here we were besieged for many years." So if hey had other cities like Atlantis, they would have been also protected by a shield and able to withstand the attacks of the Wraith. And she also said "The Atlantis Stargate was the one and only link back to Earth from this galaxy, (...)". So Atlantis was certainly the only big city with a Stargate being able to dial back to Earth.
Originally posted by hedwig View PostHowever, I do agree with your comment about "The Tower" being badly written and pointless. Just watched it again this week, and kept finding bits through that just didn't make much sense at all. Oh well.
Originally posted by hedwig View PostAnd going slightly off topic, I'd like to have seen our expedition meet some of those more advanced civilizations that Fran/Elizabeth mentioned in "Ghost in the Machine" that her group had come across in their travels.Blue is such a nice color, especially if you have wings.
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Originally posted by Skie View PostI don't know about that. Wouldn't they have showed up a long time ago to unite with the other PG humans to launch an attack against the Wraith. And if they didn't care about that, then I'm not sure if I want to meet them.
Otherwise, I agree with your thought about them.
I would just have liked to see a few more civilizations that weren't living in the middle ages or in what looked to be early 1900's, but were at least as advanced as earth and maybe a bit more so.
Would love to find out how the Aschen or the Tollan would have managed against the wraith.
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Originally posted by hedwig View PostAnd that could have provided a rather good story. Finding one of these civilizations, finding out they want to be left alone, and aren't willing to help and so forth could have provided some great conflict between them and the Atlantis group. At the very least, just maybe they could have given our people a few ideas on how to protect themselves. Whether they'd have been willing to share technology would have been a big point of dispute. Especially how they managed to keep themselves hidden from the wraith.
Otherwise, I agree with your thought about them.Blue is such a nice color, especially if you have wings.
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Great debate you two!
I have to agree that The Tower was quite atrocious. It's one of those episodes that I'm fine with only seeing once.
If I may... It always infuriated me that, for example, Atlantis is powered by ZPMs, but the only way to get ZPMs is to go on a scavenger hunt around the galaxy. Where were they fabricated? Where were the ships built? Where was that massive defense satellite built? We never saw anything resembling an Ancient factory, or plant. There had to be loads of manufacturing facilities somewhere. Did all this stuff just magically appear?
I think they could have delved into that and opened up a lot of possibilities that would be more interesting than the same old, same old Wraith/Replicator/Genii jargon.
I'm still of the opinion that the ancients were a bit thick.
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Originally posted by Starfighter Babe View PostGreat debate you two!
Originally posted by Starfighter Babe View PostIf I may... It always infuriated me that, for example, Atlantis is powered by ZPMs, but the only way to get ZPMs is to go on a scavenger hunt around the galaxy. Where were they fabricated? Where were the ships built? Where was that massive defense satellite built? We never saw anything resembling an Ancient factory, or plant. There had to be loads of manufacturing facilities somewhere. Did all this stuff just magically appear?
Originally posted by Starfighter Babe View PostI think they could have delved into that and opened up a lot of possibilities that would be more interesting than the same old, same old Wraith/Replicator/Genii jargon.
However, one could argue that the Wraith destroyed them, BUT then a) you should at least find some remains/ruins b) the Wraith would have certainly tried to adapt some of the tech, so you should see that too or c) find factories still in use by the Wraith, now that would have made a cool story.
Originally posted by Starfighter Babe View PostI'm still of the opinion that the ancients were a bit thick.Blue is such a nice color, especially if you have wings.
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Originally posted by Skie View PostThanks!
Didn't you know that the Ancients conjured all their technology up if they needed it. They just lost the war because they run out of the magic powder necessary for it.
Originally posted by SkieThere were so many missed opportunities in SGA, I don't think I wanna start, otherwise I'll be here until midnight.
However, one could argue that the Wraith destroyed them, BUT then a) you should at least find some remains/ruins b) the Wraith would have certainly tried to adapt some of the tech, so you should see that too or c) find factories still in use by the Wraith, now that would have made a cool story.
And I love the Wraith, but I would have thought it would have been cool to come across another race that wasn't superior or inferior to us, but that came across Ancient tech just like we did. Kinda like Larrin and her people.
Originally posted by SkieNo wonder we get that kind of impression because first it seemed the Ancients lost the war due to an equally powerful enemy. But later they downgraded the Wraith that badly that it didn't make any sense that they lost. Cloning, yeah sure, if I cloned tons of warriors with arrow and bow they still would loose against a few with MGs, geeze. A bit a crude example but hope, you get my drift.
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I've sort of answered my own question about outposts. In "Before I Sleep", the elderly Elizabeth had a list of 5 gate addresses. She said at each one there was a ZPM left by the ancients at outposts. In "The Brotherhood" (next episode), the team goes to one of those addresses and finds an actual ZPM, but it gets "stolen" from them by the people living there, so they don't get to keep it.
I don't recall at the moment if they visited the other 4 sites on elder Elizabeth's list.
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