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sjleader
May 9th, 2011, 11:35 PM
I am so upset. I mean, Yeah its up to my imagination to wonder what happens but damn that was so unsatisfying.
At least after UNENDING with Sg-1 there was a conclusion- the team continues...
With this its like WTF?

However, I got the sense that Eli had no intention of fixing the chamber. I think he was ready to sacrifice himself for the family.

tomaso88
May 10th, 2011, 12:21 AM
well i was wondering couldnt he just go in the chair if he couldnt fix it i mean sure his body will be gone but he will still be alive

caribsci
May 10th, 2011, 01:02 AM
and i was wondering about that smile at the end........to me it says.......y am i worried?all i gotta do is take ginn out and she can help him fix the pod ,...plus he can put the bots to repair hydro lab.and yes he can sit in the chair like what rush did with perry.his body will still be there and he already know how to get out from the interface.

The Destiny
May 10th, 2011, 02:28 AM
At least after UNENDING with Sg-1 there was a conclusion- the team continues...
With this its like WTF?

Actually I thought this was the same, even more satisfying in fact; destiny goes on

traylormatt
May 10th, 2011, 02:32 AM
I doubt it. We have no idea how much energy something like that would require. If it is too much then they simply can't try it.

Pecisk
May 10th, 2011, 02:37 AM
I think last scene was meant that Eli is becoming a grown up man who can rely on himself. He started to self-doubt after "Twin Destinies" and Rush tried to get him back to the track. Eli stepping up and saying: yeah, I am ready to take this risk, I know I can figure it out - was nice closure.

Psyku
May 10th, 2011, 03:07 AM
He has 2 weeks to spare, of course he will spend a day soaking all the experiences he had so far. After a day or 2 you will get productive. it's better then waiting to die!

pgs121
May 10th, 2011, 03:19 AM
Perhaps the smile meant that he had thought of another strategy to defeat the drones.

sholva1
May 10th, 2011, 03:44 AM
that makes no sense.. at the very least he would try but his chances are small

MechaThor
May 10th, 2011, 04:25 AM
I think the smile was him realising "Yes I am Happy", and "Yes I can do this, and do it by myself".
This moment was his coming of age moment.

Furliciousy2k9
May 10th, 2011, 06:33 AM
I totally agree with you lot that believes that this series from a character pov has been slightly more about Eli than the rest of the crew. As has been mentioned, the series began with Eli. I think that the character Eli has has gone through more change than the other characters, if even slightly.

I have to admit, that even though we know that season two was already made when the decision was made to cancel it, I still had a feeling that that last part with Eli standing on the "observation deck?" and Destiny powering down was perhaps to good for just a season finale. Though then again, since the writers didn't have any confirmation that there would even be a season three, they might've written it this was just in case.

Nth Chevron
May 10th, 2011, 06:58 AM
Either way it was a great episode, i a great way for the curtain to fall .. until it picks up again :P

When the lights started going out on Destiny i even shed a tear, it was that symbolic.

This episode makes Eli almost the same as Mckay, they are both the Last Man :)

I wonder if using Eli to stay behind is going to show he has surpassed Rush and is now approaching Mckay level :)

N.C

garhkal
May 10th, 2011, 07:48 PM
and i was wondering about that smile at the end........to me it says.......y am i worried?all i gotta do is take ginn out and she can help him fix the pod ,...plus he can put the bots to repair hydro lab.and yes he can sit in the chair like what rush did with perry.his body will still be there and he already know how to get out from the interface.

Didn't Perry help rush out to do said upload? So will that not require one of those 2 to assist him>?
Will doing so drain too much power?
Heck, with all the systems down, could he even do it>?


When the lights started going out on Destiny i even shed a tear, it was that symbolic.

As i said elsewhere, it was a lovely poetic mirror to how everything turned on in Air. Slowly, but surely.


I wonder if using Eli to stay behind is going to show he has surpassed Rush and is now approaching Mckay level

Part of me hopes not.. I feel rush is still da man.

erotavlas
May 10th, 2011, 07:59 PM
I think the smile was him realising "Yes I am Happy", and "Yes I can do this, and do it by myself".
This moment was his coming of age moment.

That's how I took it as well. It was as if he was finally able to relax and enjoy the moment with his new found confidence.

Gollumpus
May 10th, 2011, 08:29 PM
The smile could mean a number of things: 1.) It could be a complete geek-out moment. "Holy crap, I'm in another freakin' galaxy"; 2.) He just figured out how to solve his problem; 3.) He figured out how to get a higher dps rating on his mage...

Eli will fix it. It is a foregone result which we would see come to fruition had the show not been cancelled. My thoughts on how he's going to do it involve the remaining stasis pod, and EVA suit and Brody's still.

regards,
G.

studio dummies
May 10th, 2011, 08:48 PM
I would certainly hope that Eli can fix it - it would be a waste with his potential as a future Dr. McKay and all. Imagine Him, Rush, and McKay eventually all problem-solving together, bickering aside of course (but I'm sure this is/has been discussed somewhere on this forum). I think a small part of his ending expression could possibly indicate "good, now I can do some work without ppl breathing down my neck constantly."

Dee_Too
May 10th, 2011, 10:39 PM
My impression is that "Gauntlet" was written as the season two finale, not the series finale. SGU was planned as a five-year story. A novel, if you will. I read somewhere that the production schedule for a season's shoot was something like January through October. So by the time SyFy cancelled the series, the film for episodes 11–20 was in post-production, and there was no budget to re-shoot episode 2x20.

Each season, I read, covered one galaxy. The literary structure of a novel is this: introduction, rising action, the complication, the climax, and the denouement. Season one was mostly introduction, and everyone knows you have to slog through the introduction to believe in the characters and get the background you need to follow the plot. If you've read Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel's Dart, you'll know what I mean. It takes off about a hundred pages in, and then takes you on a ride. We had a lot to learn, but this story was worth it.

I think SGU's rising action started when we learned about Destiny's mission, and at the end of season two, we should still be there.

What I'd really like to know is what Brad Wright planned . . . because I'm sure he had a five-year plan. And since they would have started shooting season three in January, I'm sure he already knew how he was going to get them out of this predicament.

And it wasn't by killing Eli.

Eli is too important. In a way, this is Eli's show. I also think Rush had a point when he said that they might miss parts of the puzzle by skipping the rest of this galaxy. (I expect Rush planned to join Amanda in the computer instead of killing himself, something that occurred to Eli and not to the colonel when Rush volunteered.)

I think Eli already has a plan. He'll fix the wonky pod or find another set elsewhere in the ship and prep one. This is a big, mostly unexplored as yet, ship, and the Ancients planned for a big crew; there must be more pods somewhere. If it takes three years to cross to the next galaxy, they would have been planning to use them for that anyway. Remember the ship of Ancients found in stasis between galaxies in Atlantis? Also, why can't the two smallest people share a pod?

Then I think he'll solve the drone problem. He was really taken with the idea of being an ancestor; I don't think he'd like to leave his descendants with such a big problem if he can solve it.

So I think the season three opener would have been Eli 1) solving the pod problem; 2) solving the drone problem; and 3) waking everyone up to finish their business in this galaxy. Before leaving the galaxy, they could track down one of the colonists' sleeper ships en route to Novus Novus and get the rest of the database. Stock up. Fly through a few red dwarves. This would be boring to watch, so that, and the three-year sleep to the next galaxy, could happen off screen.

And how do I think Eli can solve the drone problem by himself? Well, there was that smile. I think he can figure out how to tell them to shut themselves off. It might mean retrieving one of the dormant ones around the destroyed command ship, to replace the one they scuttled. He figured out how to tell them to fire on each other, after all.

D2

Trig
May 11th, 2011, 02:42 AM
Interesting, thing is would Eli try to fix the pod, or concentrate on the drone issue to save the "decendadnts" in that galaxy..

I think he's be more inclinded to try and fix the drone problem before he either dies or does whatever..

Dee_Too
May 11th, 2011, 10:47 AM
Trig, he can do both. Why not?

D2

garhkal
May 11th, 2011, 05:58 PM
And how do I think Eli can solve the drone problem by himself? Well, there was that smile. I think he can figure out how to tell them to shut themselves off. It might mean retrieving one of the dormant ones around the destroyed command ship, to replace the one they scuttled. He figured out how to tell them to fire on each other, after all.

D2

But didn;t both him and rush confirm that it won't work once another command ship shows up?

blueray
May 11th, 2011, 08:21 PM
my theory is that after a day or so eli is going to realize that he can't do it on his own. and activate gin, with her program running it gives them less time to figure it out, but its worth it since the two of them would be working on it and he wouldn't be alone. and they will will fix the pod, and eli goes in.

or they find another way to stop the drones and then wake everyone up.

droid327
May 11th, 2011, 08:47 PM
I dont know why Rush didnt volunteer to sit in the chair right off the bat. That's usually been his first reaction to dire situations this season. Plus, unlike Eli and Young, I doubt Rush cares about ever getting home or even leaving Destiny ever again, so its not like it'd make a difference if he was a hologram stuck in the computer :)

But of course Eli is going to fix it. He's got two weeks to pore through all the records etc. He's got his PdH, plus he can scavenge parts from the rest of Destiny as needed - there has to be other pods somewhere that maybe were nonfunctional but still have what he'd need to get the one pod active.

We see them solve problems in days or even hours. And this isnt even really a problem, its just fixing something thats broken. I bet he fixes it in 4 days, redoes his power calculations, and figures he easily has 2 or 3 days' worth of power to boot up Ginn and have some fun with the ship to themselves. Maybe set some practical jokes for Rush to discover when they wake up.

the fifth man
May 11th, 2011, 08:55 PM
I am of the opinion that Eli will indeed fix the final pod. There is no way his character would have been killed off like that.

Trinary
May 11th, 2011, 09:06 PM
If Eli can't fix the broken pod, there is another solution. Wake up James and modified her pod to support 2 peoples. It will be the best stasis moment for Eli... :)

Trig
May 12th, 2011, 01:09 AM
But didn;t both him and rush confirm that it won't work once another command ship shows up?

Yes, but, and think back to SG1 here, would it not be possible to dial all the gates in that galaxy at once (something to do with gates dialing eachother up for periodic updates, cant remember the episode) and broadcast to each of the command ships that are at the local gate (we know that there is a command ship "at every gate between here and the edge of the galaxy"....

Granted Eli might not think of this as his gate knowledge is probably not going to include more technical stuff like that, and I doubt that Jacksons "Intro to the Stargate" video's covered that sort of thing...

Trig
May 12th, 2011, 01:24 AM
I am of the opinion that Eli will indeed fix the final pod. There is no way his character would have been killed off like that.

Well I still havent seen the episode yet but I agree that killing Eli off would of been a no go, him fixing the pod on his own would have to be confined to the ship tho and him on his own due to not wanting to effect the ships power requirements.

I'd say he'd spend a while reading the "manual" for the pod and then go wondering around the ship and finding something that'd save the day, the fact that theres not really many in the expedition, on such a large ship, there seems to be very few pods, I'm guessing theres other pods around there somewhere or at least some sort of spares in one of the many rooms that haven't been explored yet.

Perhaps the idea was to have a Kino record the last few days of Eli's life with a few others on "seek" mode, one Kino comes back while Eli is essentially giving his goodbye speech, this Kino has found another room of stasis pods or something else life saving, Eli says c'ya later to the kino and goes off to see whatever this other kino has found, the crew once revived find the goodbye kino and presume Eli is dead, what they dont have is the seek kino which Eli uses to find whatever ends up saving his life. Queue the crew saying goodbye and having some sort of service, two weeks later Eli turns back up having come out of his stasis pod (he miscalculates his own stasis by two weeks as he had to manually enter the stasis time and forgot to include the two weeks that he had been on the ship and the rest of the crew had been in stasis)..

Trinary
May 12th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Basically, destiny fates is on Eli's hand now. He could do pretty much anything such as wake up all the others except Rush, Young and Wray. He could make the younger generations of the crews to take charges of the destiny well being and make decisions to fit them in facing any threats.

Nth Chevron
May 12th, 2011, 04:02 PM
But we know Eli wouldnt do that, as he has Rush's intellect and more, mixed with Youngs morality and then some of that too.

He is like the best of both worlds, without the military experience of Young. Or the PHD of Rush.

I dont knwo about James but she definitely has a PH - DD

N.C

garhkal
May 12th, 2011, 04:54 PM
PH-DD.. man that was a laugh

Dee_Too
March 4th, 2012, 01:31 PM
But didn;t both him and rush confirm that it won't work once another command ship shows up?

I don't recall that, though it makes sense. But they're vulnerable to software manipulation. Surely there's a master code to shut them down? I'd guess that Eli is a more than competent hacker. I'm remembering that Rush was concerned that Destiny was skipping so much of the galaxy, because all the experience mapped for them might affect the end of Destiny's mission. That they were picking up pieces to the puzzle on the journey, and missing pieces might mean failure. And then there are the dopplegangers' descendants, and they deserve to thrive. Destiny woke up the drones and the drones are attacking the galaxy they just left. This is a direct analogy to what happened in Pegasus, when Atlantis woke up the Wraith. And this time, the human population to be destroyed has DNA based on the Destiny crew.

So if there's any way to shut those drones down . . . or at least make them go dormant again . . . give the descendants a fighting chance . . . I think Eli will take it.

garhkal
March 12th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Assuming by trying he does not dwindle the power reserves so baddly that the rest of the crew dies.

Trig
March 14th, 2012, 03:17 AM
We'll find out in 3 years time when the series is relaunched I guess...





Well we can but hope..

I saw the rest of the crew come out of stasis and theres been some sort of incident on the ship, sections damaged, pods broken (covers cast members that cant come back for whatever reasons) and missing Eli..

garhkal
March 18th, 2012, 01:11 PM
Yea we can.. BUT i would love it if it comes back sooner..

Trig
March 20th, 2012, 07:31 AM
yeah I'd love it too, but with Syfyless being crap and MGM having had a hard time the best we could hope for would be a short "this is how he fixed it" series and then pick up from gauntlet mid 2014

garhkal
March 20th, 2012, 04:27 PM
Although one bad thing... If they DO manage to bring it back, they will have to recall Every sold boxed set of season 2, to recast the cover, to remove the "Final season" moniker from them..

ZRFTS
March 20th, 2012, 06:01 PM
Although one bad thing... If they DO manage to bring it back, they will have to recall Every sold boxed set of season 2, to recast the cover, to remove the "Final season" moniker from them..

That would be a problem; but look on the bright side, you have a collectors item and you can show your friends how SGU could not be kept down. Even though bringing SGU back is a pipe dream, it's still nice to have dreams.

themeatcleaver
March 20th, 2012, 09:28 PM
That would be a problem; but look on the bright side, you have a collectors item and you can show your friends how SGU could not be kept down. Even though bringing SGU back is a pipe dream, it's still nice to have dreams.

Personally, I'd like to think one of two things happens.

1) Eli fixes it but loses his frakking mind in the process
2) Eli fixes it and goes into stasis and season 3 begins with Destiny dropping out for a dial-in from Earth with Telford knocking on the glass of Young's pod like "Wake up sleepy head!"

What would be particularly awesome is if they did something where it takes WAY more than 3 years, Destiny recharges, never wakes them up, and Earth dials in with some sort of way to retrofit Destiny with ZPMs that we can now create and the crew has the most badass ship on that side of the universe.

Ahh... a guy can dream :)

/side note: do any of you guys subscribe to MGM or Syfy on Facebook? Neither of them---especially MGM---can even post anything to this day without getting bombarded with requests for more SGU. It's absolutely amazing to me because it never actually seems to be the same people...

jeri
March 20th, 2012, 09:57 PM
Personally, I'd like to think one of two things happens.

1) Eli fixes it but loses his frakking mind in the process
2) Eli fixes it and goes into stasis and season 3 begins with Destiny dropping out for a dial-in from Earth with Telford knocking on the glass of Young's pod like "Wake up sleepy head!"

What would be particularly awesome is if they did something where it takes WAY more than 3 years, Destiny recharges, never wakes them up, and Earth dials in with some sort of way to retrofit Destiny with ZPMs that we can now create and the crew has the most badass ship on that side of the universe.

Ahh... a guy can dream :)

/side note: do any of you guys subscribe to MGM or Syfy on Facebook? Neither of them---especially MGM---can even post anything to this day without getting bombarded with requests for more SGU. It's absolutely amazing to me because it never actually seems to be the same people...
Interesting ideas, but I'd like to see them wake up in the future in a space where the stones no longer work. They would have to solve the problems without extra help, which I believe they can. Eventually they somehow could reconnect with Earth. If they fully understood Destiny and accomplished the mission, perhaps they would be the ones to help Earth, instead of Earth saving them. I believe in the potential of ordinary humans, just another dreamer here.

But I do like # 1, haha :p

Not surprised by the FB responses, the Nielson ratings never reflect accurately, esp. genre like Sci-fi. (don't get me started...)

garhkal
March 23rd, 2012, 04:12 PM
/side note: do any of you guys subscribe to MGM or Syfy on Facebook? Neither of them---especially MGM---can even post anything to this day without getting bombarded with requests for more SGU. It's absolutely amazing to me because it never actually seems to be the same people...

Heck no.. i refuse to face book anything. I don't have a FB page, account, Myspace account, twitter account etc...


Not surprised by the FB responses, the Nielson ratings never reflect accurately, esp. genre like Sci-fi. (don't get me started...)

And that is what reallly irks me.. That they based it on the flawed neilson ratings, when we proved a while back, not only was it popular in the US, but in many other countries....

jelgate
March 23rd, 2012, 05:11 PM
No it didn't. As much as I loved SGU it didn't perform well in any market

jeri
March 23rd, 2012, 06:14 PM
No it didn't. As much as I loved SGU it didn't perform well in any market

In any market that was recordable.

plumber
June 17th, 2018, 04:51 AM
Hi,

I'm very late to this thread, but perhaps I can add something. :o

As I wrote in a related thread (https://forum.gateworld.net/threads/86742-Did-Eli-fix-the-Stasis-pod-or-come-up-with-another-solution?p=14619825&viewfull=1#post14619825), I feel Eli fixing the pod, or using any of many other potential ways to stay alive onboard Destiny, if the show's writers so chose, would be the easy way out. It would be a wasted opportunity. Worst of all, it would certify the abandonment of the Novan Descendants at the mercy of the Drone armada. :(

But his remaining alternative isn't just dying without a fight. :confused:

Vastly more satisfying, for Eli's Hero Journey, as well as for general Stargate goodness, would be his leaving Destiny, via the Gate, to find his fate with the Novans, or with the Drones. His planetside adventuring would also open other new opportunities for exploration, problem-solving, general awesomeness, and perhaps even a whole new SGU Season, or an entire spin-off Series. :cool: