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tomaso88
May 2nd, 2011, 11:47 PM
They say in this episode the planet got wiped out by the drones but if so then why haven't other planets such as Novus been previously wiped out by the drones the Novians had used the stargate all the time in fact the Noviuns we find in common decent say they have never even seen the drones before well they give you that idea, in a gateworld podcasts they mention that destiny woke up the drones but if that is true then why is this planet wiped out IT MAKES NO SENSE

KEK
May 2nd, 2011, 11:52 PM
Who said using the gate is what attracted them?

Flibby
May 2nd, 2011, 11:54 PM
They did in the show, a few times.

tomaso88
May 2nd, 2011, 11:55 PM
They say the gate is what attracts them to technology in common decent and in this episode.

MattSilver 3k
May 2nd, 2011, 11:57 PM
They say in this episode the planet got wiped out by the drones but if so then why haven't other planets such as Novus been previously wiped out by the drones the Novians had used the stargate all the time in fact the Noviuns we find in common decent say they have never even seen the drones before well they give you that idea, in a gateworld podcasts they mention that destiny woke up the drones but if that is true then why is this planet wiped out IT MAKES NO SENCE

*Sense.

And, yeah, well, whatever.

escyos
May 3rd, 2011, 12:02 AM
They say in this episode the planet got wiped out by the drones but if so then why haven't other planets such as Novus been previously wiped out by the drones the Novians had used the stargate all the time in fact the Noviuns we find in common decent say they have never even seen the drones before well they give you that idea, in a gateworld podcasts they mention that destiny woke up the drones but if that is true then why is this planet wiped out IT MAKES NO SENSE

the city could have been wiped out years ago and then the drones went to sleep until they were woken up by Destiny.

tomaso88
May 3rd, 2011, 12:11 AM
the city could have been wiped out years ago and then the drones went to sleep until they were woken up by Destiny.

Thats true I guess we won't know that for sure until we find out why they went to sleep but it then raises the question of why they never attacked Novus unless they were made after Novus evacuated I can't remember specifically if they say when the drones were made. So you could be on to something their.

Flibby
May 3rd, 2011, 12:30 AM
That's a pretty good explanation. The drones didn't get there until after everyone left Novus.

DigiFluid
May 3rd, 2011, 12:44 AM
I don't think it was particularly clear how long NovuPittsburgh had been abandoned. Certainly the newspaper hadn't even yellowed yet, and it didn't look like nature had reclaimed the city to me.

But the awakening of the Drones, as far as we've seen was in Resurgence. By my estimate that was about two and a half months ago. Enough time to gather dust and start looking desolate, IMO.

KEK
May 3rd, 2011, 01:15 AM
They did in the show, a few times.

No, they said the gate activations do attract them now that they're chasing Destiny, but there's no indication that it was the gate that attracted them to planet Pittsburgh.

morrismike
May 3rd, 2011, 03:03 AM
No, they said the gate activations do attract them now that they're chasing Destiny, but there's no indication that it was the gate that attracted them to planet Pittsburgh.

They are probably attracted to kawooshes, radio transmissions, and hyperspace jumps.

The Destiny
May 3rd, 2011, 03:14 AM
They're attracted to technology in general.

And then they blow it up.



It's quite possible that they were dormant, then the Ursini accidentaly woke the drones up ( poor buggers.. ) and fought a war with them, at the end of which Destiny showed up. Pittsburghplanet may have been on the edge of droney space, or at least in the general vicinity of the area they dwell in, causing it to be destroyed a few years ago during the Ursini-drone war, whereas Novus and most of it's colonies, a bit beyond the edge of dronespace were never destroyed.

Perhaps the planet is pretty far from dronespace, but the drones came upon Pittsburgh by accident, or by chasing Ursini ships etc.

Perhaps Novus is harder to reach for the drones. The blackhole that approached Novus might possibly disrupt their ( subspace ) sensors, preventing them from picking up on the tech and gatetravel.

There are many possibilities why Novus was never attacked :)

actuallyliam
May 3rd, 2011, 03:24 AM
No it's the subspace beacons that allow gates that are close together to connect to each other. So they have to be in a close distance to pick it up. I remember them saying something about it. Or am I incorrect about this?

General Jumper One
May 3rd, 2011, 04:08 AM
No it's the subspace beacons that allow gates that are close together to connect to each other. So they have to be in a close distance to pick it up. I remember them saying something about it. Or am I incorrect about this?

Correct

The Destiny
May 3rd, 2011, 04:12 AM
actuall they said the drones can't pick up on those subspace beacons, because those are "several thousand times fainter than the event caused by an active wormhole", like Eli said in Common Descent. If they could pick up on the beacons, the drones would go for planets with gates, regardless of wether the gate was activated or not. They are drawn to the subspace event of an active wormhole. If you use a gate near the drones, they'll be drawn to it like [insert proper bug comparison].

megablue
May 3rd, 2011, 06:09 AM
Or the drones are able to track the Destiny gate distinct signature when activated... if they behave like the replicators... they will go after the most advanced technology they found first...which in this case... the Destiny.

Major_Griff
May 3rd, 2011, 07:03 AM
I thought they only started being attracted to the gates recently, otherwise where were they between Deliverance and Common Descent? They used the gate a lot between those episodes. So the drones must have only recently figured out that gate activity = Destiny.

KEK
May 3rd, 2011, 07:22 AM
Indeed. They probably discovered the settlement some other way.

thekillman
May 3rd, 2011, 07:48 AM
from what i gather, the Drones have actually followed destiny here and now the other ships have overtaken destiny and are blocking it's path.


that means that Novus never got attacked since it's last gate activation was way before the drones were even there. doesn't explain the colony getting destroyed but it's possible we're in Drone territory again, or at least close.

sholva1
May 3rd, 2011, 07:55 AM
the drones can't "sense" all gates activations just tracking destiny in gates near their travel path ... listen more

thekillman
May 3rd, 2011, 08:04 AM
true and since they only recently found out Stars = Destiny powersouce, we can determine they're intelligent and adapting



the drones can't "sense" all gates activations just tracking destiny in gates near their travel path ... listen more

what? no they are draw to the activation of a gate, since that's like a star in subspace.

jelgate
May 3rd, 2011, 08:19 AM
true and since they only recently found out Stars = Destiny powersouce, we can determine they're intelligent and adapting




what? no they are draw to the activation of a gate, since that's like a star in subspace.

I think the poiint the poster was trying to make is that their is a limit to how far away a drone can detect a gate.

Shylodog
May 3rd, 2011, 09:43 AM
I think the poiint the poster was trying to make is that their is a limit to how far away a drone can detect a gate.

Drone? Sure. Command Ship? Different story.

thekillman
May 3rd, 2011, 09:49 AM
I think the poiint the poster was trying to make is that their is a limit to how far away a drone can detect a gate.

and what aspect of this didn't we already know? of course there's a limit. well they can't detect the actual gate, just gate activation. which -given the impression of the crew- stick out like a sore thumb in subspace. yes there's a limit, Rush said so himself. we just don't know how great that distance is.



Drone? Sure. Command Ship? Different story.
i doubt they can detect the actual gate. as Weir said, subspace is constant motion. the weak transponder signal would be very hard to detect in what we should believe is a constant storm of particles and energy. i doubt the Drones can detect that. a stargate activation however would be noticeable, because it's much, much stronger a signal. Drone can detect it but we don't know from how far away. obviously the ships can detect it from far away, many dozens of lightyears.


i'm surprised no other race ever invented a subspace listening post

wabbit42
May 3rd, 2011, 09:57 AM
The drones weren't tracking gate activity before they were tracking Destiny.

blackluster
May 3rd, 2011, 11:38 AM
The Drones originally picked up on any powerful subspace communication. In the ep with the Ursini, the Ursini try to contact their colony and get a drone response, allowing the command ship to triangulate where the transmission came from. Thus if anyone broadcasts anything in subspace that is powerful enough, be it deep space comms or an event horizon, the drones will zero in on it.

geddarkstorm
May 3rd, 2011, 05:06 PM
The Drones originally picked up on any powerful subspace communication. In the ep with the Ursini, the Ursini try to contact their colony and get a drone response, allowing the command ship to triangulate where the transmission came from. Thus if anyone broadcasts anything in subspace that is powerful enough, be it deep space comms or an event horizon, the drones will zero in on it.

This makes the most sense, especially since they are high technology and would be designed to target and fight other high technologies first and foremost (don't want your doomsday weapon getting distracted by every stray RF pulse wisping through space). And as we saw, it took the drones several episodes to lean to go after the stargates for tracking Destiny, their current love affair. If that was their normal operation target, they would have zeroed in immediately.

Additionally along those lines the drones didn't immediately go for the stargate itself, even though it was open for a substantial amount of time. One only appeared after a lot of radio use. And, a drone only went for the gate the second time it was activated, after they knew there were also radio signals indicating intelligent life.

Finally, the Novans in Pittsburgh were able to evacuate through the gate, by placing it in a low tech area. This shows the drones did not target the gate as a high priority, or even at all (that part of the city was never attacked), though it may have initially drawn them to the planet to check it out.

This seems to suggest that though the drones can see stargate activations, they didn't realize what they meant till after running into Destiny, and then again with the people on the planet. That seems to be my interpretation of what makes sense.

garhkal
May 3rd, 2011, 06:19 PM
from what i gather, the Drones have actually followed destiny here and now the other ships have overtaken destiny and are blocking it's path.


that means that Novus never got attacked since it's last gate activation was way before the drones were even there. doesn't explain the colony getting destroyed but it's possible we're in Drone territory again, or at least close.

True, perhaps they were already in that area, and it was only 30 yrs ago society on Novus reached a level the Drones could detect it through the interference of the black hole... same with that colony..

And WE led them to the other one.

thekillman
May 3rd, 2011, 10:28 PM
IT MAKES NO SENSE

i don't wanna spoil your fun but you're the only one who can't make sense of it.


True, perhaps they were already in that area, and it was only 30 yrs ago society on Novus reached a level the Drones could detect it through the interference of the black hole..

the drones never attacked Novus.

garhkal
May 4th, 2011, 02:52 PM
My bad.. was thinking of that planet they were on (did they ever name it?)

dacooker
May 4th, 2011, 04:33 PM
Who said using the gate is what attracted them?

Dr Rush

Keeper
May 4th, 2011, 04:35 PM
Dr Rush

and eli. both of them can't have it backwards (esp since it's been stated that pretty much everyone at the SGC thinks eli's pretty damn smart.)

s09119
May 4th, 2011, 04:37 PM
The drones weren't tracking gate activity before they were tracking Destiny.

Not that we know of, anyway.

KEK
May 5th, 2011, 01:49 AM
Dr Rush

No he never. He said it attracts them now that they've worked out Destiny uses them, but there's no indication that they're what attracted them to the colony in the first place.

wabbit42
May 5th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Not that we know of, anyway.

Exactly. I guess my logic is always flawed. They could have though 'hey whatz dat' and attacked, but then why didn't Novus get attacked (not that we saw anyway)? They used the gate more times than any other planet.

The Destiny
May 5th, 2011, 01:56 PM
In another thread I proposed a timeline for the drones. This will help make more sense of most stuff and answer why the drones never attacked Novus but did attack the colony etc.


Timetables solve all problems!


Timetable:
- whenever: drones are created

- whenever <-> couple years ago, let's say 20 ( to be clear: I made this number up ): the drones go dormant.

- 30 years ago: last gateactivity on Novus, the gate is destroyed/buried by eruptions. It's colonies still survive and use the gate.

- 20 years ago: The Ursini wake the drones.

- 20 years <-> a couple months ago: The Ursini battle the drones. During the war the drones come across the Novus colony and destroy the colony, or several colonies, and their technology. Among the destroyed planets is Novus Pittsburghus.

- a couple months ago: Destiny comes across the drones and the drones start chasing them

- last episode: The crew of the destiny comes across Novus Pittsburghus.

Easy as pie :)