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ckwongau
April 30th, 2011, 07:09 PM
May be it was a plot device to prevent TJ from getting the ALS cure .
But it is a bit hard to believe the people of Novus doesn't have any FTL or hyperdrive.

Earth can build it's own hyperdive 6yr after alien contact.( S601 SG1: "Redemption, Part 1") ,They copy it from the Goa'uld tech, and got some help from Jonas's Naquadria
it was a partial failure.because Naquadria's instabilities.
Then the X-303;s hyper drive was brought on line with help of NId's goa'uld Adrian Conrad. The Naquadria problem was later fix by a Buffer.
But still the problem remain, until Earth gets hyperdrive from the Asgard .

But still Earth can develop hyper drive on her own in 5 or 6 yr time.and the slowly fixing the Naquadria problem, until switching to more traditional naquadah base Asgard design hyperdrive.

The people of Novus didn't start out from stone age, from the first day , they have a kino with anti gravity.Battery power for the kino to record so much of it's early day.
simple metal tools after a while.
They have understanding to things like Electromagnetism.
And once they have proper tools, they could easily build hot air balloon or wright brothers type flying machine.
They have access to stargate for at least over one thousand and nine hundred seventy yr.They had more than enough time to find naquadah typer material offword.
And the cold war situation on Novus probably give them motivation for advance in science.

Alt Eli and other scientist could have wrtten down formula for hyper drive or FTL drive for the futuure generation.If they don't understand FTL drive , then just could just build hyperdrive.

If the Novus can find cure for ALS 200 yr ago, they probably reach the point with population and infrastructure equal to Earth's 21 centural 200 yr ago.

Pharaoh Atem
April 30th, 2011, 07:13 PM
lack of a element that could power a FTL or hyperdrive? we only got our knowledge of this tech from the asguad and studying gud'lud tech for years.

the crew from destiny more importantly Eli might not have had the knowlegde to write it into a text book for the novus people to learn from.

Shadow_7
April 30th, 2011, 07:26 PM
If Rush had made it to Novus, in those first 2,000 years... He'd at least make Alt. Brody look like a childrens TV show host. Damn kids, always on my lawn...

It does seem like they were stunted by something. Prehaps their 1960's last 1,900 years...

morbosfist
April 30th, 2011, 07:30 PM
It's not so easy to develop something from scratch as it is to adapt it from existing tech. Earth, the Goa'uld, pretty much every advanced alien race cheated by copying the Ancients. You can't expect a civilization to jump from agrarian to beyond Space Age within a couple of millenia.

Keeper
April 30th, 2011, 07:33 PM
May be it was a plot device to prevent TJ from getting the ALS cure .
But it is a bit hard to believe the people of Novus doesn't have any FTL or hyperdrive.

Earth can build it's own hyperdive 6yr after alien contact.( S601 SG1: "Redemption, Part 1") ,They copy it from the Goa'uld tech, and got some help from Jonas's Naquadria

personally, i think you've answered the question right here.

earth had help - LOTS of it. working models on several occasions to study, jacob carter became a tok'ra (ok, he probably couldn't pass much on - but with an alliance, something must have been shared,) the planet where kids were used as databanks till they could share knowledge with others (carter learned how to build a naquadah reactor there,) and jonas' folks. they've used wormholes to (accidentally) remove, and later implant, matter into a star - as well as for time travel. i think, at this stage, it would be a bit of a wonder if earth didn't have hyperdrive technology.

on the other hand, you're right - novus has the stargate. the stargate which, remember, leads to planets with no known humanoid life in this galaxy, has a short range (nearby planets only) and which has provided transport as far as the people needed.

eli almost certainly couldn't have known how to make a hyperdrive or FTL engine - his only experience at all being destiny - and the rest, while able to fix destiny's FTL drive, have made it pretty clear that once something's gone, it's gone for good. they don't seem to have the abilities to build such drives.

the first real need to leave the world was around 30 years ago - when the planet started suffering from the rogue black hole that entered their system. before that, they probably didn't even need the gate very much, and the first starships they needed to build were needed after the gate was lost. with only each other for help, no existing technology to copy, and a need to leave the planet ASAP, they didn't have much time to design - from scratch - any kind of FTL.

escyos
April 30th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Even if the original membrs passed on what they knew about hyperdrives, it might have been 300 years before they had capabilities to even make computers let alone get into space.

Shadow_7
April 30th, 2011, 07:51 PM
In real world earth, we've basically gone from prarie tech to space tech in a few hundred years. Granted that we don't have colonies in space (yet). But we don't have stargates either. And it's only been 200 years since we were toting pitch forks and shovels and burning people for being witches. I doubt that the novans started there given that at least half of the crew of Destiny were scientists.

Keeper
April 30th, 2011, 08:02 PM
In real world earth, we've basically gone from prarie tech to space tech in a few hundred years. Granted that we don't have colonies in space (yet). But we don't have stargates either. And it's only been 200 years since we were toting pitch forks and shovels and burning people for being witches. I doubt that the novans started there given that at least half of the crew of Destiny were scientists.

on the other hand, it's 50 years or less since we predicted we'd be interstellar colonists by now, with bases all over our own system as well. where'd we go so far wrong? and that's without the pitchforks and witches too.

morbosfist
April 30th, 2011, 08:20 PM
In real world earth, we've basically gone from prarie tech to space tech in a few hundred years. Granted that we don't have colonies in space (yet). But we don't have stargates either. And it's only been 200 years since we were toting pitch forks and shovels and burning people for being witches. I doubt that the novans started there given that at least half of the crew of Destiny were scientists.The Novans most assuredly started there. They couldn't have started anywhere else. To develop technology, you need infrastructure. Infrastructure requires resources. Resources require manpower. They had to develop not only the means but the numbers by which to make it possible.

Daralundy
April 30th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Why would they have wanted that? They are only a few milion people. They had a world to expand into. Before the disaster of course.



May be it was a plot device to prevent TJ from getting the ALS cure .
But it is a bit hard to believe the people of Novus doesn't have any FTL or hyperdrive.

Earth can build it's own hyperdive 6yr after alien contact.( S601 SG1: "Redemption, Part 1") ,They copy it from the Goa'uld tech, and got some help from Jonas's Naquadria
it was a partial failure.because Naquadria's instabilities.
Then the X-303;s hyper drive was brought on line with help of NId's goa'uld Adrian Conrad. The Naquadria problem was later fix by a Buffer.
But still the problem remain, until Earth gets hyperdrive from the Asgard .

But still Earth can develop hyper drive on her own in 5 or 6 yr time.and the slowly fixing the Naquadria problem, until switching to more traditional naquadah base Asgard design hyperdrive.

The people of Novus didn't start out from stone age, from the first day , they have a kino with anti gravity.Battery power for the kino to record so much of it's early day.
simple metal tools after a while.
They have understanding to things like Electromagnetism.
And once they have proper tools, they could easily build hot air balloon or wright brothers type flying machine.
They have access to stargate for at least over one thousand and nine hundred seventy yr.They had more than enough time to find naquadah typer material offword.
And the cold war situation on Novus probably give them motivation for advance in science.

Alt Eli and other scientist could have wrtten down formula for hyper drive or FTL drive for the futuure generation.If they don't understand FTL drive , then just could just build hyperdrive.

If the Novus can find cure for ALS 200 yr ago, they probably reach the point with population and infrastructure equal to Earth's 21 centural 200 yr ago.

RoK
April 30th, 2011, 08:49 PM
My guess is that they really didn't need a reason to go into space (FTL mostly) until the disasters started about 30 odd years ago. Until then they most likely traveled off-world via Stargate for resources that they didn't have on the planet, if they needed it.

garhkal
April 30th, 2011, 09:09 PM
And as i mentioned on another thread. Most of those in the SGC who have had experience with making hyperdrives are ON EARTH.. I doubt a one is in the icarus crew.

thekillman
April 30th, 2011, 10:33 PM
plus that earth didn't develop it's own hyperdrive but reverse engineered it.

Ukko
May 1st, 2011, 02:27 AM
From what can remember, didnt our own hyperdrive overload and explode? After that we used an Alkesh one and then Asgard ones. And we use (at least i believe) naquadria to power them. Does that exist in Novus' part of the universe?

We may be able to bodge them together when we've got aliens or their tech to use, but i dont htink we can build them from scratch.

The Destiny
May 1st, 2011, 03:50 AM
I think even current Earth ( real earth, not SG earth ) developing means to travel faster than the speed of light within the next 1000 years is very, very optimistic. The jump from sublight technology to faster than light technology is a hard one, potentially impossible without the use of wormholes or hyperspace ( through which we're still cruising at sublight speeds, we just have a ridiculously smaller distance to go in hyperspace ).

knowles2
May 1st, 2011, 04:35 AM
on the other hand, it's 50 years or less since we predicted we'd be interstellar colonists by now, with bases all over our own system as well. where'd we go so far wrong?

The Americans got to the moon first.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
May 1st, 2011, 06:39 AM
Only Brody and Park knew about hyperdrives, they may not have thought it was important info to tell the next generation.

Shadow_7
May 1st, 2011, 04:16 PM
Well just knowing that something exists is sometimes motivation enough to make it happen. The novans didn't exactly start life thinking that woman was created from a mans rib. Or that the world was flat. I'm still waiting on my flying car BTW. At this point I'll settle on a solar one. At $4 a gallon, do I have a choice?

wingsabre
May 1st, 2011, 06:19 PM
I think you also have to look at the demands and needs of their society. To build hyperdrive and FTL tech, you have to have a demand for it. At the time, the population was very small, and the demand was not to explore, but to survive. That meant spending a lot of resource and tech in developing medical technologies. Additionally, the scientist on board the ship weren't hyperdrive specialist. Eli isn't even a PhD. He can calculate things, but in no means was he taught how the technologies work.

tomstone
May 1st, 2011, 07:59 PM
From what can remember, didnt our own hyperdrive overload and explode? After that we used an Alkesh one and then Asgard ones. And we use (at least i believe) naquadria to power them. Does that exist in Novus' part of the universe?

We may be able to bodge them together when we've got aliens or their tech to use, but i dont htink we can build them from scratch.

I think there might be Naquada in the Novus System. At least Naquada seems to occur naturally and the SGU Gates need to be made with that. I know they can break more easilyand have a limited range, but that is probably just to make the production easier. Without it the Gates would hardly have the capacity of providing several Trips and as the Novans proofed thousands of them. Orlin created a Stargate for a one way trip with the things he found on earth. Since he did not have Naquada, that was the best he could do and he was an Ancient after all.


My guess is that they really didn't need a reason to go into space (FTL mostly) until the disasters started about 30 odd years ago. Until then they most likely traveled off-world via Stargate for resources that they didn't have on the planet, if they needed it.

Their Ancestors came to that world by means of a Spaceship that can fly faster than light. For People hundrets or thousand Years later, that sure would be something they would want to Achive.

Not many People on Earth could actually explain a Hyperdrive from Scratch, the Crew from Destiny sure had some Info, but would it be enough for a solid research material?

wabbit42
May 2nd, 2011, 01:21 AM
earth can build it's own hyperdive 6yr after alien contact.

You have answered the question yourself. :thor:

norph
May 2nd, 2011, 06:59 PM
Didn't earth got their hyperdrive directly from the Asgards for SG1 saving Thor? I believe earth's early hyperdrives didn't do that well with the instability of Naquadria. I believe we didn't get viable FTL technology until the Asgards installed one on earth's first ship and then earth just copy the hyperdrive engine design wholesale for the other ships while they learn how it worked.

garhkal
May 3rd, 2011, 06:13 PM
Yes.. it was in the episode Disclosure...

Ekras
May 3rd, 2011, 11:14 PM
Granted that we don't have colonies in space (yet).

Actually..... about that.....

tomaso88
May 4th, 2011, 12:11 AM
I dont remember them saying they didnt have the tech for hyperdrives i just came to the conclusion that they didnt have time or enough mineral/material to build the hyperdrives on time