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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 119</FONT>
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An alien artifact transports Daniel to an alternate reality, where he is not a part of the Stargate program and the Goa'uld -- led by Teal'c -- are invading Earth.

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FixxxeR
May 17th, 2004, 03:55 PM
This was such a good episode I can't believe theres no love for it here yet. Also I think it has one of the coolest episode names in the series.

KorbenDirewolf
May 17th, 2004, 10:04 PM
"Proof" of alternate realities, a General O'Niell and a massive Goa'uld attack on Earth. What else could one really ask for? The differences and similarities in this alternate reality and the main one are interesting. Never going to Chulak leading to the eventual destruction of Earth. Nice happy ending...

Dragonlor
May 17th, 2004, 10:16 PM
A good episode. Definately in the top three of season one. It's also interesting having an episode where Jack, Sam, Daniel (alternate), Teal'c, and Hammond all die. They don't die enough... :D

Champos
May 17th, 2004, 10:55 PM
I'll agree that it was a great episode. I haven't seen it for ages so I can't really pick out any particular defining moments, but there were quite a few I know.

Matt G
May 18th, 2004, 03:18 AM
This was the ep that made SG1 cross the line from decent quality scifi to 'the best around at the moment'

Jeff O'Connor
May 19th, 2004, 10:44 AM
This was the ep that made SG1 cross the line from decent quality scifi to 'the best around at the moment'

This was also directed by David Kemper, who has done and continues to do (though obviously not as much) Farscape. He's an awesome director... I hope he does something more for Stargate somewhere down the line. I loved the episode.

David85
May 22nd, 2004, 08:13 PM
I love this episode, it leads to one of my favoritestory arcs.

Neon Rider
June 6th, 2004, 11:52 AM
Ooh! Ooh! I remember this episode! Me my older sister and younger brother watched this episode when we were vacationing in Newport Oregon I have to say it's not my most favorite episode. But it's worth a watch.

I only watched it a couple of times.

Is it only me but don't you agree that some of the episode titles (from Stargate SG-1) sound like they came from the all of the Star Trek series?

Crazedwraith
June 6th, 2004, 01:38 PM
Ooh! Ooh! I remember this episode! Me my older sister and younger brother watched this episode when we were vacationing in Newport Oregon I have to say it's not my most favorite episode. But it's worth a watch.

I only watched it a couple of times.

Is it only me but don't you agree that some of the episode titles (from Stargate SG-1) sound like they came from the all of the Star Trek series?


There's at least one thats the same: The Enemy Within.

Anyhoo This episode was very cool. Escpeacailly Teal'c's hair.

The moment when Teal'c blasts O'Neill was very poignant.

KorbenDirewolf
June 6th, 2004, 04:30 PM
One could say the same thing about episodes titles from nearly any series.. Alot of series have used titles for episodes that another series has used.

SeaBee
June 8th, 2004, 09:40 AM
Definately a cool ep., well acted by MS.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 08:03 PM
The alternate reality episodes are always cool.

AgentX
July 10th, 2004, 08:10 PM
At this point I was still not solid on my Stargate SG1 love. Sure it was a good season, and show, to this point, but nothing that remarkable (with the exception of Torment of Tantalus) but this episode came along and I was hooked. I am a big fan of Alternate realities and TBFTOG and its following episodes showed that SG1 could pull off an arc successfully.

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 07:58 AM
Although I was hooked right away, this was one of the best eps in Season1.

1. The Nox
2. The Tortment Of Tantalus
3. Fire And Water
4. Within the Serpent's Grasp
5. Enigma
6. There but for the Grace of God.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Did the Ancients build the Quantum Mirror?

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 05:58 PM
Probably. They're the only race that has shown that level of technology as I see it.

Bagpuss
July 19th, 2004, 03:11 AM
I really enjoy AU stories, and this is one of the best ever SG-1 eps on my personal list . :D
Also the Quantum Mirror was a very cool device,IMO.
(I think the Ancients invented it too,guys.Anyone know for certain?)

jeffrey6283
July 26th, 2004, 07:46 AM
Do they actually have nukes stored in Cheyenne Mountain? I mean General O'Neill was contemplating using one on the Goa'uld military base after the ship took position on the mountain. He seemed pretty confident that he has them at his disposal, but I don't see how a convey with a nuke could make it to the SGC with the Jaffa controlling the enterance.

Also, how powerful was that bomb they sent to Chu'lak. I don't remember the village being all that close to the gate in 'Children of the Gods'. Yet, the bomb took out all of the Jaffa there, suppositively.

I do think the Ancients created the mirror. It just seems like something they'd do. Test the limits of physics and push the boundries and then leave the technology for some lesser being to get into trouble with it.

Which leads to another question. Now that we know you need a specific gene to control Ancient tech, does that mean Jackson has it too? Assuming it was made by the Ancients.

thirdeyeblind105
July 26th, 2004, 07:52 AM
Also, how powerful was that bomb they sent to Chu'lak. I don't remember the village being all that close to the gate in 'Children of the Gods'. Yet, the bomb took out all of the Jaffa there, suppositively.


The village couldn't have been more than a few miles away from the gate, which is well within the range of even the weakest of nukes.

jeffrey6283
July 26th, 2004, 08:01 AM
I never knew a nuke with a blast radius like that... maybe a mile tops. Beyond that, it'd be the radiation that kills everything. Of course, I'm no nuclear physicist.

Anubis
July 26th, 2004, 08:03 AM
I agree. Even a small nuke could have reached within a couple of miles distance!

VirtualCLD
July 26th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Was it naquada enhanced?

aschen
July 26th, 2004, 11:17 AM
Don't underestimate the power of a nuclear blast. Today's nukes are MUCH more powerful than the ones that were dropped on Japan.

Anubis
July 26th, 2004, 11:25 AM
I agree with you. They've modified the input devices that multiply the blast radius

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 05:41 PM
I do think the Ancients created the mirror. It just seems like something they'd do. Test the limits of physics and push the boundries and then leave the technology for some lesser being to get into trouble with it.
Yeah like to Time Looper thing.

PX-Something-or-another
August 4th, 2004, 09:48 PM
Do they actually have nukes stored in Cheyenne Mountain?

Well, I think this comes to fruition on many levels.

First, we need a bomb for the auto distruct. Probably not a nuke, but at least powerfull enough to blow out a massive underground facility.

Secondly, this is an alternate universe, so, basically you could do anything you wanted...hell, Daniel could be a system lord in one universe...which would be wicked awsome, I loved his Goa'uld voice in uh...which season 5 one was that...

Thirdly, running with the AU thing... Earth is technically at war, even though it is a secret war, yada yada yada. You never know when your going to need something big blowing up. We've already seen that we shoot missiles though the gate when needed. So uh...Nuke away?

Erik Pasternak
August 5th, 2004, 10:05 PM
Was it naquada enhanced?Well, presumably it blew near the 'gate (which is made of naquada), so yeah.

WurdBendur
August 5th, 2004, 11:58 PM
Well, presumably it blew near the 'gate (which is made of naquada), so yeah.

Actually, I'd bet the gate was unharmed. They can take a lot.

Erik Pasternak
August 6th, 2004, 12:27 AM
Actually, I'd bet the gate was unharmed. They can take a lot.I totally agree with you. I'm just saying that the naquada would of helped amlify the explosion, to encompass a greater distance, not to destory the Stargate.

Major Fischer
August 16th, 2004, 10:14 PM
I"m not sure if the gate itself would increase the yield to weight ratio of the bomb, but I am certain that it would have destroyed the village at that distence. Modern nuclear bombs size depends on if they were built for countervalue (city busting) or counterforce targets (for lack of better term, military targets).

As the accuracy of the weapons increased, the air force shifted towards smaller bombs in the idea that you could fight a limited nuclear war attacking just the enemies infastructure and not blindly target cities. The navy for a long time resisted this tendency because they saw increasing accuracy as making it much too tempting for civilian politicians to push the button. The logic being that if you tell the man "we can level Moscow" he's less likely to go with it than "we can take out the command bunker".

In the end counterforce prevailed and by the 1980s the weapons got quite small relatively. Still at the time, NATO planners were estimating the deaths from even a small scale conflict to a couple hundred thousand 'attrits per second', so I'm never quite sure how much I feel about what they really thought a small scale nuclear conflict was.

But you have to remember that Jack was trying to do as much damage as possible, and my guess is that he chose to use a large nuke to do that. Even if they didn't keep them around Cheyenne Mountain (and they seem to have them handy in other episodes), I'm sure he could have gotten one from Peterson AFB nearby.

In real life? I highly doubt NORAD or US Space Command has nukes sitting around the mountain. Major cracking in the mountain during construction made the survivablity of the Cheyenne Mountain Ops Center really questionable. Which would be why they relied more and more on the Looking Glass and TACAMO aircraft as the real assurance of command post conflict.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 02:49 PM
WOW, way cool episode, i like alternate reality stuff, but dramatic when daniel gets back, Jack, there coming bla bla.

Liv
September 13th, 2004, 11:15 AM
I saw a pretty strong resemblance with the Movie-O'Neill in this episode, by RDA. There was a bit of a harshness to his voice, a tough exterior that reminded me of Russell's portrayal in many ways. I thought it was particularly evident in his first scene with Daniel and Catherine, when he said the lines "A Jaffa?" and "Get this man outta here, now". There's no doubt in my mind that RDA would have done an excellent job in the movie, as well.

Daniel's little hand gestures when he, very frustrated, tries to explain to Catherine who he is... they're just too darn cute. "And unless the last two years have been some wacky, wacky dream, I am a member of SG-1".

That prop thing that operates the alternate mirror, felt a little bit too much like a child's toy.

The scene where Daniel finds out that his alternate reality self is probably dead, was fairly amusing. "Uh oh."

Alternate!Teal'c with the Djingis Khan - hairstyle. What else is there to say? :D

This goes in my Top Three-list of season 1.

zats
September 13th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Oh. Dear. God(s).

Just watched this one for the first time on DVD and it quite figuratively scared the heck out of me. I'd forgotten that there was, in fact, a REASON that I'd only read the darn thing once! I can't imagine being in Danny's position, being so totally out of my universe and not having a thing to do about it.

What was good:

a. Introduction of the mirror. Cool! Very Matrix! (which came first, anyway?)
b. Catherine--great to see her!
c. Sam&Jack--whoo-hoo! Go ship. Seriously, though, it was good. I loved how they were in military mode right up until Jack went to confront Teal'c-and then you saw it come out. Sad! They died exactly the way I think they'd have liked to (provided they had to die at all). The look in their eyes when they knew it was over...eek! Look, I TOLD you this one freaked me out!
d. Teal'c--at the risk of sounding like Jack in New Order: nice hair. Weird, very weird...kinda cool, though. I still prefer the tennis-ball look in Season 8

What wasn't good:

a. Dude, I told you: it was scary!

Erik Pasternak
September 13th, 2004, 09:04 PM
It wasn't scary zats. I only screamed 12 times, come on.

(For those of you who didn't get it, I didn't scream at all).

FieryHands
September 14th, 2004, 04:23 PM
This is probably my all time favorite Stargate ep, or at least one of the top ones. I love alternate universe eps--what could have been--but this really good all around, both in acting and story. Daniel scared and confused, Carter not in the military, Jack hardcore, Teal'c bad...this is probably the one episode with the J/S ship that I like. It was a good pause in amidst the chaos to show a tender moment. Of course, its also the big scene that probably had shippers scream its proof they are meant to be. :p

I don't know what was up with Teal'c hair though. Made quite a statement. "I'm evil. Just look at my wacky hairdo." That moment right before he shoots Jack though...so sad. Jack realized all too late he'd screwed himself.

zats
September 18th, 2004, 07:31 PM
It wasn't scary zats. I only screamed 12 times, come on.

(For those of you who didn't get it, I didn't scream at all).

Humph. Speak for youself. And I didn't scream at all. Winced a few times, sort of strangledly shrieked once, hid under the couch...but I DIDN'T scream.

So there.

Lord Zedd
September 19th, 2004, 06:47 AM
Do they actually have nukes stored in Cheyenne Mountain? I mean General O'Neill was contemplating using one on the Goa'uld military base after the ship took position on the mountain. He seemed pretty confident that he has them at his disposal, but I don't see how a convey with a nuke could make it to the SGC with the Jaffa controlling the enterance.

Also, how powerful was that bomb they sent to Chu'lak. I don't remember the village being all that close to the gate in 'Children of the Gods'. Yet, the bomb took out all of the Jaffa there, suppositively.

I do think the Ancients created the mirror. It just seems like something they'd do. Test the limits of physics and push the boundries and then leave the technology for some lesser being to get into trouble with it.

Which leads to another question. Now that we know you need a specific gene to control Ancient tech, does that mean Jackson has it too? Assuming it was made by the Ancients.



SPOILER PERHAPS




No He doesn't remember being ascended and what he did there as an Ancient

Uncle Dick
September 26th, 2004, 09:35 PM
The Daniel/Catherine shippy scenes were my favorite. They made a great couple in the feature film and Torment o' Tantalus.

Doc Carter's reaction to the videotape Daniel brings from the other side is vintage Sam, and I love the whole idea of "what if Daniel hadn't joined the program". Fun, fun feature-worthy stuff. I only thing that didn't make sense to me was the O'Neill-Hammond rank swap. Why would that detail in particular be different?

Major Fischer
September 26th, 2004, 09:41 PM
Doc Carter's reaction to the videotape Daniel brings from the other side is vintage Sam

I love the look on her face when the Captain Carter with the short hair and the field kit comes into view on the tape. You can just see both the possibilities of the alternate realities playing out, and the possibilities of what her life might have been like. It was very nicely played emotion on AT's part.

And the best wig that she's gotten in the entire show ;)



I only thing that didn't make sense to me was the O'Neill-Hammond rank swap.

What I didn't get is how Hammond would have still been in the service at his age as a colonel. But I could be wrong...

Erik Pasternak
September 26th, 2004, 10:32 PM
What I didn't get is how Hammond would have still been in the service at his age as a colonel. But I could be wrong...Three theories:
1. Hammond simply started up later than he did in our reality.
2. Hammond was demoted for some reason.
3. In this universe, Hammond resigned due to the fact that his kid shot himslef with Hammond's gun, and was persuaded to join up again by General O'Neill.

*RA
September 26th, 2004, 10:44 PM
I used to be in the military my self, some people just dont advance in rank that much. There used to be this one guy on my ship, He was a Petty Officer third class. He most have been in his sixties. I had friends as young a 20 that made that rank. It all depends on the field your in and how many times you get in trouble. Hammoned in that reality might have had a number of problems, but well never know I guess

Uncle Dick
September 26th, 2004, 10:47 PM
Three theories:
1. Hammond simply started up later than he did in our reality.
2. Hammond was demoted for some reason.
3. In this universe, Hammond resigned due to the fact that his kid shot himslef with Hammond's gun, and was persuaded to join up again by General O'Neill.
Perhaps the fact that SG-1 never visited Lt. Hammond in 1969 in the alt. reality somehow effected the course of his career and prevented him from attaining the coveted role of general. Carter does tell Hammond in 1969 that he will be general in charge of Cheyenne Mountain someday. Perhaps that somehow moticated him to attain the higher rank (although that scenario has its own casuality problems that would have to be resolved).

*RA
September 26th, 2004, 11:27 PM
Perhaps the fact that SG-1 never visited Lt. Hammond in 1969 in the alt. reality somehow effected the course of his career and prevented him from attaining the coveted role of general. Carter does tell Hammond in 1969 that he will be general in charge of Cheyenne Mountain someday. Perhaps that somehow moticated him to attain the higher rank (although that scenario has its own casuality problems that would have to be resolved).


that would have ment if they didnt go back there present never would have happend. If he wasnt a genral before the time trek then why would amanda say he is. to werid to think about, I would say its an "alternate realty", things will be diff.

sueKay
September 27th, 2004, 02:41 PM
I have to say that I loved this episode.

I'm new to Stargate, but I made sure that I got a loan of it!

Here's what I loved

Jack - A bit more military, a bit less dumb. I don't like the dumbman routine
Sam - It was nice to see what she'd be like away from the military, and also made us realise that we'd rather have AF Sam any day!
Teal'c - it showed us what Teal'c would have been like if it wasn't for SG1 giving him the courage to change
Daniel - He was a fish out of water and he'sso sweet when he;s a little bit confused!

I also liked the Jack/Sam hug (I'm a shipper!), and I also thought it was funy to see Hammond taking orders from Jack.

Oh! Catherine was there!!!!!!!!!

Daniel's_twin
September 28th, 2004, 10:19 AM
Another good episode on their part. This is technically, the beginning of Sg-1's first four-part episodes (this one, Polotics, Serpent's lair and Within the Serpent's Grasp)

Michael Shanks gave a five-star performance, seeing things they way they are in his reality, and yet, everything's so different.

Christopher Judge was excellent as Teal'c's "evil twin". I must say, though. He did not look good with that ridiculous pony-tail at all!

RDA was actually a General this time around. I must say it was a little strange seeing him give orders to Hammond.

And as for Amanda Tapping, she looks good with long hair with the bangs (the Carter in "Point of View" did not look very good). Though it is still unnatural for her not to be the Captain we know and love.

Anyway, great episode that shows what would happen if the Goa'uld came and attacked. :cool:

Major Fischer
September 28th, 2004, 10:22 AM
Christopher Judge was excellent as Teal'c's "evil twin". I must say, though. He did not look good with that ridiculous pony-tail at all!

Probably Apophis' idea. He's after all, the fashion plate of the Goa'uld. ;)

Daniel's_twin
September 29th, 2004, 07:18 PM
You mean fashion slayer of the Goa'uld.

Ok, so his outfits weren't too bad, but those hats just had to go! He did not look good in any of them. The serpent's head was too big for his frame. That hat with the cups on either side was really funny to look at. And that metal cap made him look old with that make-up.

Who agrees? Anyone? :cool:

Axle
September 30th, 2004, 10:08 AM
The village couldn't have been more than a few miles away from the gate, which is well within the range of even the weakest of nukes.

Plus you have to remember that wasn't the nuke naquida enhanced? And even not there's still the radioactive fallout from any detenation of a nuclear device.

Fatcat
October 1st, 2004, 01:30 PM
Has anyone figured out what SGA stands for? I've been trying to come up with something but got nuthin'. Can't find anything on any of the sites either.

Major Fischer
October 1st, 2004, 01:33 PM
Has anyone figured out what SGA stands for? I've been trying to come up with something but got nuthin'. Can't find anything on any of the sites either.

My guess is "Stargate Administration" or "Stargate Authority."

Daniel's_twin
October 1st, 2004, 01:49 PM
I'm leaning towards Stargate Administration. :cool:

KorbenDirewolf
October 1st, 2004, 01:51 PM
One site uses "Stargate Association" but as far as I know its never said what the letters stand for.

zats
October 4th, 2004, 12:23 PM
You mean fashion slayer of the Goa'uld.

Ok, so his outfits weren't too bad, but those hats just had to go! He did not look good in any of them. The serpent's head was too big for his frame. That hat with the cups on either side was really funny to look at. And that metal cap made him look old with that make-up.

Who agrees? Anyone? :cool:

I do. The hat from the dungeon scene in COTG--he looked like Mickey Mouse on acid. Not a good thing.

Of course, his fashion sense (or lack thereof) is what makes him so wonderfully ridiculous. He'd be a lot more fun to laugh at if he wasn't always trying to kill people. :D

zats
October 4th, 2004, 12:24 PM
My guess is "Stargate Administration" or "Stargate Authority."

Or "Stargate Association"--which sounds like a corporation, like Wal-Mart or something.

Major Fischer
October 4th, 2004, 12:30 PM
Or "Stargate Association"--which sounds like a corporation, like Wal-Mart or something.

Yeah, but I dismissed that because it doesn't sound like something that someone would name a military project.

zats
October 29th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Yes, at the moment I'm leaning toward "Stargate Administration".

Lord Zedd
November 16th, 2004, 12:17 PM
Or "Stargate Association"--which sounds like a corporation, like Wal-Mart or something.
I'm really curious I'm not from America so what is Wal-Mart eactualy?Is it a big supermarkt or so??

Lord Zedd
November 16th, 2004, 12:19 PM
Reaaly good episode !! Jack as General :D

Daniel's_twin
November 16th, 2004, 04:22 PM
I'm really curious I'm not from America so what is Wal-Mart eactualy?Is it a big supermarkt or so??

It's a big department store, basically. It's got clothes, sports supplies, fabrics, just about everything you can think of. Except food. At least not in mine. :cool:

.:Lemon:.
November 17th, 2004, 08:38 AM
Jack as General :D

Hehe! Who would have saw that coming eh? :p

I really liked this episode, on of my favourite early eps. Actually I like most of the Aternate universe episodes :)

Elite Anubis Guard
November 19th, 2004, 09:47 AM
this is the episode that is the start of modern sg1. really enjoyed this episode, lead the possibility for many story arcs but we only got two out of it.


liked seeing walter fight, and hammond die. good episode!

zats
November 22nd, 2004, 01:57 PM
It's a big department store, basically. It's got clothes, sports supplies, fabrics, just about everything you can think of. Except food. At least not in mine. :cool:

Some have a small snack section, and more recently the Wal-Mart neighborhood markets have been introduced, and they have a sizeable produce section. Beware their meat department.

ShimmeringStar
January 1st, 2005, 02:55 PM
I love the look on her face when the Captain Carter with the short hair and the field kit comes into view on the tape. You can just see both the possibilities of the alternate realities playing out, and the possibilities of what her life might have been like. It was very nicely played emotion on AT's part.

And the best wig that she's gotten in the entire show ;)
So true about the wig. :D Very natural & nothing like the rug they stuck on her head for Point of View. And she may not have been militarySam, but she knew how to kick butt. Liked the "Oh, yeah. I also wish to blow us all to hell" line as she pulled the pin out of the grenade.

jckfan55
January 1st, 2005, 03:56 PM
And she may not have been militarySam, but she knew how to kick butt. Liked the "Oh, yeah. I also wish to blow us all to hell" line as she pulled the pin out of the grenade.
I *loved* that as well! Maybe especially because I wasn't expecting it.

Erik Pasternak
January 1st, 2005, 05:22 PM
I really have one gripe with this episode: they used the numbers given in the recording to determine the origin of the attack. They assumed the aliens considered their PoO to be #1. You see, I consider the PoO to be #39. Do you guys? If that were the case, the address would have been completely different. They turned out to be right, but who's with me?

Daniel's_twin
January 1st, 2005, 06:31 PM
Even if those aliens did go according to your theory (this is not a bashing), all they would have to do is reverse the numbers to find out. Granted, they probably wouldn't have had the time, but you get what I'm saying? :cool:

Erik Pasternak
January 1st, 2005, 06:40 PM
Yeah, of course I get it, I'm just saying that Daniel and Co. didn't explore all possibilites.

Daniel's_twin
January 1st, 2005, 06:59 PM
Fair enough. :cool:

spacemonkey69
January 9th, 2005, 06:13 AM
first off, i LOVE this episode with all my heart! it is wicked, and i think it is possibly the best daniel episode imo, and one of best out of all of them!

But it got me wondering, after watching both this ep and point of view, that the earth would be screwed without daniel! i mean, if he hadnt gone through the mirror, then the earth would be destroyed, and in both au eps, he wasnt there, and it got destroyed and very nearly destroyed
it makes you realise just how important daniel is, and it makes me proud! :D

Whistler
January 9th, 2005, 07:54 AM
first off, i LOVE this episode with all my heart! it is wicked, and i think it is possibly the best daniel episode imo, and one of best out of all of them!

But it got me wondering, after watching both this ep and point of view, that the earth would be screwed without daniel! i mean, if he hadnt gone through the mirror, then the earth would be destroyed, and in both au eps, he wasnt there, and it got destroyed and very nearly destroyed
it makes you realise just how important daniel is, and it makes me proud! :D

Well in the Alternate Reality in this episode, without Daniel interfering, Sam would have survived, it is puzzling how willing they were to sacrifice their only chance at survival in order to let one guy from some "other reality" to survive, which made the end a little hard to believe. But it is still one of my favourite episodes.

Flyboy
January 9th, 2005, 08:17 AM
What do you mean? "Modern sg1?" Im kinda confused.

Hex.FTB.enabled
January 25th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Caught this ep again last night--and it reminded me why it's still one of my all time favorites. The acting, the story, everything is very cool. And it's especially neat to watch it during season eight cuz when I first saw it, I had a hard time seeing Jack as general of the base. Daniel's reactions to everything are just priceless. And everytime I watch this one, I always wonder why TPTB always make Sam's wig worse and worse whenever they need her to have long hair. This one's the only time it looks natural--you think it'd be the other way around.

:)

GatetheWay
January 25th, 2005, 11:19 AM
Seeing this episode again last night reminded me why Stargate is one of my all time favorite shows. Daniel was great along with Jack. By the end I forgave Teal'c's terrible pony tail because hey its better then the cliche gouty (sp?). The only thing that slightly bothered me was how the AU characters gave up their last window of oppertunity to get the rest of the Genisis list off world to save Daniels world. Anyway I love all the AU episodes and wish they had done more in the earlier seasons.

Daniel's_twin
January 25th, 2005, 11:27 AM
What rest of the Genesis list? Far as I know, when the dialing procedure was started, there were 3 Tau'ri left on the base that were still alive. Carter, Daniel and Katheryn. Carter got blown up by her own grenede (I think that Katheryn could figure that out) and there was little chance if any chance to save herself, so she gave the Stargate over to Daniel, who was the only one who could do anything. :cool:

GatetheWay
January 25th, 2005, 11:38 AM
But where had the Ganesis list people gone? Where they also fighting? You'd think they would of been waiting in the gate room or something. But I don't care I love this episode. :)

sharky277
January 25th, 2005, 01:41 PM
It just occured to me that if there was any genisis people left to go, why wouldn't they just take them all to the world Daniel was going to and then go to the beta site from there?

SmartFox
March 4th, 2005, 05:50 PM
I think they had gotten all the Genisis people off except maybe Sam. The only other people left were probably fighting or dead by that time. I wonder who made that quantam mirror. If the Ancients made it there would be some clues on that planet: such as some of their writing and some technollogy that looked like theres. It seems to me like some one else would of made it.

Major Fischer
March 4th, 2005, 06:05 PM
I think they had gotten all the Genisis people off except maybe Sam. The only other people left were probably fighting or dead by that time. I wonder who made that quantam mirror. If the Ancients made it there would be some clues on that planet: such as some of their writing and some technollogy that looked like theres. It seems to me like some one else would of made it.

The Ancients weren't even a twinkle in the writers eyes by this point, so it's hardly conclusive.

Im_just_guessing
March 6th, 2005, 12:08 PM
It just occured to me that if there was any genisis people left to go, why wouldn't they just take them all to the world Daniel was going to and then go to the beta site from there?

Thats what I always wondered, or, they could have all gone to the Beta site, and Daniel could have gone from there to the other Planet. Sheesh, they didnt really think that out too much.

PugGate
March 10th, 2005, 07:08 PM
I find it ironic that AU Daniel gets blown up (along with Egypt), by the very aliens that he is trying to prove the existence of.

zats
March 12th, 2005, 03:43 PM
So true about the wig. :D Very natural & nothing like the rug they stuck on her head for Point of View. And she may not have been militarySam, but she knew how to kick butt. Liked the "Oh, yeah. I also wish to blow us all to hell" line as she pulled the pin out of the grenade.

I think this wig was better than the one in New Order, as well.

As for the grenade: so true. It was cool to see that how much civilian Sam was like military Sam--that it wouldn't have been her training that made her pull the pin in either universe, it was her own personality.

Samuel J. Tilden
March 30th, 2005, 01:11 PM
It's time for another edition of Freeze-Frame Fun!

When Daniel Jackson sneaks off to look himself up in the alternative reality base computer, he flips past a screen in Catherine Langford's personal file that reads as follows:


Daniel Jackson

Contacted Dr. Jackson. He refused to become involved in research. I am disappointed. He may have been our best hope.

So I may as well just go to a bar somewhere and have a drink. Egypt is a dry place after all, and I do carry this silly heavy gold pendant around my neck always. Make it a double infact.

Or three.
Don't you just love those crafty creators?

Matt G
March 30th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Nice spot! Will have to look for it on my copy of the DVD at some point!

Beatrice Otter
March 30th, 2005, 03:01 PM
It's time for another edition of Freeze-Frame Fun!

When Daniel Jackson sneaks off to look himself up in the alternative reality base computer, he flips past a screen in Catherine Langford's personal file that reads as follows:


Don't you just love those crafty creators?
::snicker:: Yeah, they get some good stuff in, sometimes. I particularly liked the paper in Threads.

zats
June 29th, 2005, 06:10 PM
In 'Hathor', a freeze-frame of the website Sam's researching Hathor at reveals that Ishtar is/was, among other things, the goddess of bad movies.

Heru'urs_first_prime
July 20th, 2005, 11:58 PM
I have a question, why did the other dimension Daniel say no to Cathrin? I wonder what made him say no

Madeleine
July 21st, 2005, 02:33 AM
It was cos a fish jumped out of a nearby pond and distracted him. Or something.

Heru'urs_first_prime
July 21st, 2005, 03:55 AM
It was cos a fish jumped out of a nearby pond and distracted him. Or something.

so why did the fish jump out of the pond?

eh? :D :D :D :D :D

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 01:37 AM
I find it ironic that AU Daniel gets blown up (along with Egypt), by the very aliens that he is trying to prove the existence of.
Yes it is maybe TPTB were trying to show this without making it to obvious!

Great Ep, still looks and feels good now with S9 airing!

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Awesome eppy..........sets up nicely for the finale

Daniel's_twin
September 13th, 2005, 05:00 PM
so why did the fish jump out of the pond?

eh? :D :D :D :D :D

It was in league with Ra! :D :cool:

Metarock Sam
September 22nd, 2005, 03:32 PM
^ I suppose if we knew why the fish juped out the pond wed know alot more about life the universe and everything.

Great Ep due to the fact it was the first ep with the magical Quantam Mirror with its parallel realities. I think they should bring it back soon.

Daniel's_twin
September 22nd, 2005, 04:23 PM
I think they had it destroyed after the events in Point of View. :cool:

timdalton007
December 12th, 2005, 11:17 AM
I think they had it destroyed after the events in Point of View. :cool:

Well we know that the NID (or rather the rogue elements of it) have used off world technology for their own purposes before so I like to think that maybe they still have the mirror locked up somewhere.

As for the episode. This was the very first episode of the show that I saw after I saw the movie in Science Class one day. I thought it was very original and, though I hadn't seen any of the show before that point, I was hooked. I

n retrosepct it remains in my mind a very good episode. The acting was good, the plot was good, and it was a nice look into a good "what if?"

timdalton007

Uber
December 12th, 2005, 12:06 PM
I think they had it destroyed after the events in Point of View. :cool:Well we know that Hammond said he was going to have it destroyed, but we don't know whether or not someone talked him out of it or...and this is my personal take...Hammond probably did order its destruction, but higher ups or those connected to the NID made sure that even though he thought it was destroyed, in truth it was preserved to be used or studied to further their agenda.

Beatrice Otter
December 14th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Well we know that Hammond said he was going to have it destroyed, but we don't know whether or not someone talked him out of it or...and this is my personal take...Hammond probably did order its destruction, but higher ups or those connected to the NID made sure that even though he thought it was destroyed, in truth it was preserved to be used or studied to further their agenda.
Heck, we don't even know if they can destroy it without huge metaphysical consequences. I'd sure want to know if destroying it was going to rip a hole in the space-time continuum before I did anything.

cafine_us
December 15th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Heck, we don't even know if they can destroy it without huge metaphysical consequences. I'd sure want to know if destroying it was going to rip a hole in the space-time continuum before I did anything.
That would be an interesting plot as well! All the different realities could begin to overlap. Perhaps the person who was nearest to it when it was destroyed would be thrown from reality to reality with no idea how to get "home". There was an episode of Star Trek like this, which was really cool, especially at the end with "Captain Riker".

Svengoolie
December 18th, 2005, 02:37 PM
Jackson's line at the end of the episode made me jump off my couch and start cheering. It was so great. Had to finish the season after that. I'm really tempted to start watching season 2, but I really need to get studying for my last final... and then I gotta worry about buying the rest of the show. It's all so great.

Daniel's_twin
December 18th, 2005, 05:52 PM
Finals first, show second. :D I know how you feel. I'm a student, too. :cool:

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 04:23 PM
on a list of best espiodes this ranks number 2 next to fifth race

also a great title daniel finding out that aposhis is coming to earth and finding the Q mirror and carter not joing the military

Daniel's_twin
March 26th, 2006, 06:58 PM
It's Apophis. APOPHIS! I saw one of your other posts and you called him Aposhis there, too. :cool:

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 09:15 PM
It's Apophis. APOPHIS! I saw one of your other posts and you called him Aposhis there, too. :cool:
lol spelling never my strong points firefox doesn't have a spell check option so it's hard for me sorry:sheppardanime32:

Daniel's_twin
March 27th, 2006, 06:45 AM
Sorry. Don't cry, please. That was my evil half last night (yes, my evil twin from the evil bearded universe). :cool:

jckfan55
March 27th, 2006, 11:49 AM
lol spelling never my strong points firefox doesn't have a spell check option so it's hard for me sorry:sheppardanime32:
good thing you didn't get a "t" on the end of the name... :D

mckaychick
March 27th, 2006, 02:11 PM
on a list of best espiodes this ranks number 1

Pharaoh Atem
April 1st, 2006, 05:45 PM
next to fifth race being number 1

warmbeachbrat
April 4th, 2006, 09:54 AM
I never noticed it before, but this is a rather meaty role for Walter. He does a lot, has a lot of lines, and is dressed pretty snazzy! I think I like this AU-Walter.

me_urgo
April 4th, 2006, 01:29 PM
It is an interesting topic this alternative reality thing. I would be very happy to know that there is one of me who doesn't get a cold all the time. :o

captain jake
April 17th, 2006, 08:03 PM
I think it is awesome that I am living in a mansion in one of my realitys.

L.A. Doyle
June 22nd, 2006, 01:05 PM
I never noticed it before, but this is a rather meaty role for Walter. He does a lot, has a lot of lines, and is dressed pretty snazzy! I think I like this AU-Walter.

I agree. Oh, he is dressed snazzy! I like this AU Walter as well, but ANY Walter is cool. I love the Chevron Guy!

captain jake
July 6th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Didn't he have a higher position in the alternite universe?

(I am to lazy to go watch the episode again)

warmbeachbrat
July 13th, 2006, 07:14 AM
Didn't he have a higher position in the alternite universe?

(I am to lazy to go watch the episode again)

I don't remember that--but I have a poor memory. It's a good explanation, though.

txdondra
July 13th, 2006, 10:17 AM
I THINK IT WAS A GOOD EPISODE BECAUSE YOU GIT TO SEEALIEN TECHNOLGY.





:tealcanime44: :jack_new_anime25: :samanime15: :danielanime08:

captain jake
July 13th, 2006, 01:57 PM
Kinda like every other stargate episode........... ROTFLMAO

max_omega
July 13th, 2006, 09:07 PM
This is one of my favortie episodes from Season 1. I love the title and the story arc it starts. It was the beginning of the end for a great season.

captain jake
July 14th, 2006, 03:02 AM
It was one of the better episodes but I would have to say within the serpents grasp was better.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 09:19 PM
It was one of the better episodes but I would have to say within the serpents grasp was better.

i would have to agree

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 25th, 2006, 09:00 AM
Up there in the SG-CLASSICS, it was amazing and set the scene for the other parrallel universe eps 'Point of View' and 'Ripple Effect'. Everyone died but Daniel, even TEAL'C got shafted by the self-destruct! lol, ah well


ps. HA! Sam got grenaded.

MacDevil
August 29th, 2006, 06:15 AM
Didn't he have a higher position in the alternite universe?

(I am to lazy to go watch the episode again)


No he actually had a lower rank in the AU. He was only an Airman instead of a Sergeant.

On the other hand, he did shoot the crap out of a couple of Jaffa...

scifi_girl
August 30th, 2006, 05:29 AM
i really liked this episode.

The_Carpenter
October 30th, 2006, 01:01 PM
Great ep, only thing is as someone's already mentioned why the hassle about sacrificing one earth to save another surely they could of sent Daniel to the alpha site and he could of dialled the planet with the mirror from there oh well small nit pick.

Awesome set up for the season finale one of the few oh my god we are so screwed moments in stargate!

AussieSG-1Fan
November 10th, 2006, 09:45 PM
Here is what my opinion was as I recently watched the episode:

When Daniel activates the mirror, you just knew he wanted to know what it did. He curiousity just had the better of him.

As Daniel tries to explain who he is and what he knows, I seemed to feel frustrated right along with him, even though we know what has actually happened. Even when he was explaining what happened, each character took forever just to figure out what had actually happened.

Even though I have now watched this episode three times, it was still interesting to see how each character acted, and what their roles were if Stargate Command was different. Somethings lead to what did eventually happen in the series Jack became General. We also saw what we have been wanting to happen with the characters Jack and Sam fall in love and get engaged.

SerpentGuard
April 11th, 2007, 05:50 AM
I think this is one of the best episodes of Season 1, theres drama, sci-fi, action and suspense. that bit at the end when the Jaffa are invading the SGC as the gate is dialing out with daniel standing there as teal'c walks in has me on the edge of my seat every time...

The whole "were all in very big trouble...they're coming...they're coming" is just the best...

garhkal
April 12th, 2007, 01:59 PM
I think this is one of the best episodes of Season 1, theres drama, sci-fi, action and suspense. that bit at the end when the Jaffa are invading the SGC as the gate is dialing out with daniel standing there as teal'c walks in has me on the edge of my seat every time...

The whole "were all in very big trouble...they're coming...they're coming" is just the best...

Of all his eariler episodes, i feel this was one of daniels stronger ones.. And i loved it, that of all people, it was cathrine who was his first believer..

deadmanjeff
April 22nd, 2007, 11:47 AM
SEASON 1 this is season 1 and already we're in alternate realities holy crap i mean what an awesome episode the whole idea is just crazy i love how all the characters in the alternate world are so different and i think it's really nice that the one lady is working at the sgc in the other world if you love sci-fi this is one of the most sci-fi gate episodes in the whole series

First
June 6th, 2007, 06:15 PM
Brilliant episode! The alternate reality is so fascinating in itself, but it provides a good tool for the producers to show what a gou'ald invasion would be like, without sacrificing "our" reality. The sense of impending doom and seriousness of the danger is very well done (because they really do get wiped out this time!)
I like how it shows the key decisions that made the difference (mainly Daniel's input) to the fate of the world. Also, scary to think that Daniel's visit to the alternate reality, and the gate coordinates he acquired, were the only thing that saved OUR reality.

First
June 6th, 2007, 06:20 PM
One thing I guess we shouldn't ask is who made the mirror? It raises more confusing questions, because of the way it works: You are transported from one mirror to another, ok, but how did the creators of the mirror manage to build a mirror in another reality, because they cant get to the other reality until the mirror is built?
I guess it's better not to think too deeply about it, and just accept it as an awesomely good episode.

garhkal
June 7th, 2007, 06:09 PM
That is one of the questions i would LOVE to see answered either in SGA or in the new series.

langdonboom
June 7th, 2007, 06:23 PM
One thing I guess we shouldn't ask is who made the mirror? It raises more confusing questions, because of the way it works: You are transported from one mirror to another, ok, but how did the creators of the mirror manage to build a mirror in another reality, because they cant get to the other reality until the mirror is built?
I guess it's better not to think too deeply about it, and just accept it as an awesomely good episode.

easy, it was a race of trans-dimensional beings who can simultaneously exist inbetween all of the variou quantum realities, and their technology reflects t his. The mirror is like an intersection between their plane of reality and ours - all of ours! Every physical quantum universe is connected by their mirror(s).

I for one was sad we never saw this again, or another one. Though it did make sense for the characters to decide to destroy it. My second favorite SG-1 episode of all time, just behind Maternal Instinct. But definitely the first one that made me go... oooooh okay, yeah, Stargate! Three is Torment of Tantalus since I'm listing.

I too would love to see an official story about the race who made them though.

First
June 7th, 2007, 07:51 PM
easy, it was a race of trans-dimensional beings who can simultaneously exist inbetween all of the variou quantum realities,


That seems to be the only logical possibility. Although I don't know why trans-dimensional beings would actually need the mirror. But then again, we can walk from point A to point B, yet we still invent machines to transport us from point A to point B. So it makes sense.

Rometiklan
June 11th, 2007, 10:29 AM
Excellent episode. Probably in my top 2 from season 1. This is one of the very few episodes from season 1 that can actually give me an adrenaline rush. My heart beats a little faster at some scenes. There's something to be said when you see a main character die versus some no name faceless canon fodder, even if it is in an alternate universe.

As for Hammond being a Colonel, my thinking is that when his wife died of cancer, he took an extended leave from the service which delayed his moving up the ranks in the AU.

gateman2007
August 18th, 2007, 05:48 PM
I don't understand, why did our Daniel have to dial from the Earth gate? Couldn't he have simply went to the alpha site, then dialed to the planet with the Quantum Mirror from there? Perhaps waited until the evacuation of that world was complete? Can you say, "Impatient"?

garhkal
August 24th, 2007, 05:49 AM
He was impatient, cause he did not know how long he had to wait until the Gou'ald attacked in our realm.

gateman2007
December 21st, 2007, 03:18 PM
Anyone else catch Hammond saying "Voyager is on route" ? Sounds like the alternate reality Earth that Daniel went to already has ships. :cool:

dzineguy84
December 22nd, 2007, 02:15 AM
I'm pretty sure that was a reference to a space shuttle rather than a ship in the sense that we know it, ie: 304's.

gateman2007
December 24th, 2007, 08:18 AM
wait, why? how would a shuttle be useful in their situation (Goa'uld attacking Earth)? I thought that he meant that "Voyager" was transporting people to the Alpha site form Earth...

ParadoxRealities
December 27th, 2007, 01:24 AM
wait, why? how would a shuttle be useful in their situation (Goa'uld attacking Earth)? I thought that he meant that "Voyager" was transporting people to the Alpha site form Earth...assuming its true, it was season 1; they didn't really have a whole lot at their fingertips besides those "formidable craft". humans have a habit of doing utterly unhelpful things at the most hopeless and inopportune moments.

gateman2007
January 6th, 2008, 05:04 PM
it was season 1 for our universe. Not nessicarily for the alternate SGC. They could have figured out how to use the gate at any point before the episode.

ijffdrie
January 8th, 2008, 05:21 AM
i remember voyager being a real US airforce carrier, is that right?

garhkal
January 8th, 2008, 09:25 PM
Nope. No voyager carrier..

Dobberman
January 17th, 2008, 02:36 PM
That seems to be the only logical possibility. Although I don't know why trans-dimensional beings would actually need the mirror. But then again, we can walk from point A to point B, yet we still invent machines to transport us from point A to point B. So it makes sense.

No it's not. Obviously the mirror would've been created in countless AU realities by AU versions of the aliens that made it in our universe. The aliens who made it would've known this and it was probably the main concept behind the design! This means however that the mirror can only send you to universes in which the mirror has been invented (but the number of these universes would be countless).

Crichiel
January 20th, 2008, 10:40 PM
Ok, just popped this one in when I went downstairs to the treadmill. What an AWESOME episode! I recall liking it, but not loving it!

First, though, to answer something a few people said (years ago according to the post dates, but whatever...), Hammond DOES say that they are ALL going to evacuate to the planet with Daniel, but their first priority is to keep the Jaffa from the Gate. So, they weren't THAT suicidal and selfless in letting Daniel dial the Quantum Mirror planet. They were planning on leaving, too.

Back to the complete awesomeness now of this ep. Fantastic from beginning to end. The opening is great with the sign from the Goa'uld to beware. Like the look of the mirror. Love having Catherine back, great continuity there, especially referencing Ernest. All the AU differences were clever. The action was perfect, I almost lost my step on the treadmill I was getting so nervous waiting with Daniel for the Stargate to dial out!

The acting, wow! It was so nice to see RDA acting serious and competent (I like funny Jack, but dumb Jack got a little grating the last couple seasons). AT was great at acting like Sam, and yet totally different. My favourite moment of hers is watching her response to the tape of the 'other' SG-1. CJ played the moment well when O'Neill was trying to convince him of the AU. You almost believe he is going to turn to their side. Mostly though, what an amazing performance by MS! I wanted to scream with him in the holding cell with Catherine, I laughed when he said, "I think I'm dead", and I smiled when I saw my favourite linguist translating the message on the recorder that no one else could figure out. That's my little genius! The everyone was good, the episode really rested on his acting and I think he really carried it well. This is the first episode where he just shone and became the Daniel we (or at least me) all know and love!:)

Vhladynineer
May 4th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Loved that this ep starts up a three-part episode ending the season. Brilliant acting from everyone.

Why is that Daniel is always dead in alternate realities?

I do have major issues with consistency.

1. How on earth where they able to have a Stargate program without having Daniel on the team or having ever visited Abydos? The cartouche data with all the possible gate addresses and the point of origin in Abydos is located far far away from the gate and without the interaction with the Abydonians, they would have never gotten the information.

2. If they have only referenced Daniel's work, it wouldn't equate to getting the actual person's himself. So wouldn't the program be called "Doorway to Heaven" program or something? Hehe. ;) I mean, the boy did translate/give the name for the program they are currently running.

I guess that's the only problem I had with the two alternate reality stories, it sort of backhandedly diminishes the contributions or role of Daniel in jump starting the whole Stargate program. :(

Well, Catherine Langford was still head of the program in this AU, at least there was a movie character that wasn't totally cut-off. :)

garhkal
May 4th, 2008, 09:23 AM
Perhaps he was the on who still did all that, but instead of getting put on the team, he was left behind.

Teslan
May 4th, 2008, 06:04 PM
Vhladynineer, you bring up some interesting points, especially about the cartouche. But I don't think this diminishes Daniel. If anything it proves how valuable he is, because in almost any reality he isn't there everything is going to pot. Must be something like "Save Daniel, Save the World" :)

garhkal
May 6th, 2008, 01:56 PM
Very true. Also i wonder how anyone else would react to what daniel had to go through, of seeing his world destroyed in one reality and starting to see it happen in this one (with the second episode of this three parter)..

HelloVelo
June 2nd, 2008, 02:21 AM
The key to any alternate reality is the hair.

Rating: 7/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/there-but-for-grace-of-god.html

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 09:48 PM
The deep space transmission they received that tells them the address from where the attack originated seems rather obscure. First of all how did they figure out the address to a ship that obviously wasn't involved in the attack on these people. If it had been they wouldn't be able to tell what planet it was returning to. Also I wonder why Daniel's own reality didn't receive the same deep space transmission.

Does anybody have any theories about who it came from? Or for that matter how they got it?

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 07:48 AM
Wow. A bomb-happy Jack. Long-haired Sam engaged to Jack. Teal'c has hair! No wonder Dannyboy was so confused.

I enjoyed this episode. I was hoping for a happy ending for the alternate world. So was Daniel. I wonder what the alternate SGC did to really piss off the snakeheads?

I wonder if alternate Jack did not bomb Chulak, would alternate Teal'c have given them a chance?

At first I was irritated at Danny for not listening to Jack, but then I realised that it must be fate because now he ended up knowing about the strong possibility of a goauld attack.

I can't wait for the next ep!

captain jake
June 27th, 2008, 03:01 PM
Wow. A bomb-happy Jack. Long-haired Sam engaged to Jack. Teal'c has hair! No wonder Dannyboy was so confused.

I enjoyed this episode. I was hoping for a happy ending for the alternate world. So was Daniel. I wonder what the alternate SGC did to really piss off the snakeheads?

I wonder if alternate Jack did not bomb Chulak, would alternate Teal'c have given them a chance?

At first I was irritated at Danny for not listening to Jack, but then I realised that it must be fate because now he ended up knowing about the strong possibility of a goauld attack.

I can't wait for the next ep!

I wouldn't say that Daniel was confused because of the factors you mentioned, but rather because nobody knew who he was and how he came through the gate. That's what would have confused me anyways. As for how "they pissed off the snake heads", I think it was demonstrated in how they sent a bomb to Chulak as soon as they got the address. Their reality was negligent in attempting to understand the plight of the Jaffa and the reasons for why the Goa'uld are the way they are. We made them just as mad as the other universe did however it came down to the fact that we were more skilled observers. I am not sure if Teal'c would have given Jack a chance, however if they wouldn't have bombed Chulak the Mothership wouldn't have been drawn to the SGC so quickly.

I think it was mainly Daniel Jacksons involvement in our realities SGC that allowed us to thwart the Goa'uld so early on. Not only because he got that intail, but because he led us to Chulak and Teal'c. I also think that it is his question everything mentality that makes him a key part of our survival.

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 05:30 PM
I thought that the alternate Earth was already under attack even before alternate SGC bombed Chulak? So I don't think it's bombing Chulak that caused the attack.

captain jake
June 27th, 2008, 07:29 PM
I thought that the alternate Earth was already under attack even before alternate SGC bombed Chulak? So I don't think it's bombing Chulak that caused the attack.

Yes, you are correct the attack had begun on Earth before they had bombed Chulak. However directly after they bombed Chulak a mother ship attacked the SGC. There is some cross talk between them about how if they hadn't bombed Chulak they would of had more time to get people out and the Goa'uld wouldn't be blocking their escape by dialing in to Earth.

generaloneill
July 22nd, 2008, 07:02 AM
What happened to walter in this episode? last time we saw him he was shooting some jaffa before he ran off.

1 of 3 things could have happened to him

1 he was killed by a jaffa while trying to escape.

2 he managed to escape via the ladders leading to the surface

3 he was killed when the self destruct went off

i'd say it was 3 but anything could have happened to him.:mckay:

pritnep
July 30th, 2008, 06:08 AM
I love alternate reality and travelling back in time episodes so naturally this one is one of my favourites of the season.

I'm not sure if it has already been mentioned in this thread, probably has but in the briefing/conference room the sign wasn't SGC but SGA. I wonder what A stands for. Alliance maybe?

I noticed one girl in the air force blue I wonder if that was a deliberate or a mistake just everyone else was in different uniform.

Michael did some fantastic acting in this episode and it really helps to set-up for a great season finale, really looking forward to see the ending.

Good to see Catherine back and I like that mounted staff weapon Teal'c was using, just bigger and more powerful I guess.

Jack and Sam together, probably just goes to show if it wasn't for them both being in the air force at the same posting they might be together.


Does anybody have any theories about who it came from? Or for that matter how they got it?

Maybe they established an Alpha site earlier on in their gate travel and their satellites there picked it up. Or maybe one of their allies and passed it on, however this reality doesn't strike me as having many if any allies but you never know. At least that's my thought on it.

As for Walter generaloneill, I think he died in the destruction.

SG1FanOregon
August 5th, 2008, 09:42 PM
Another good acting job by MS with several interesting twists in the alternate reality. I hated seeing the other earth get conquered but I guess nothings perfect. It's a very high quality ep though

Pic
August 19th, 2008, 07:35 AM
Sam/Jack shippy-ness and Teal'c-of-the-scary!hair. Ain't AU fun?

MS does a fantastic job in this episode. Sam sacrifices herself with Daniel's grenade. Teal'c shoots Daniel (can't blame him, they just blew his family all to heck).

This is a great setup to the 4-episode arc. There were some /handwaves here, like the Goa'uld are attacking from the same place & the folks on P3-whatever with the mirror know about it ~ huh? Still loved it.

RononXSpecialist
November 8th, 2008, 03:52 AM
Great Ep Alternate Realities are always intresting.. and OMG Teal'Cs hair scares me.. I think it would of made the series more intresting if Catherine was part of the program along with Ernest. And WTF Jack sending a bomb to Chulak.. That dosen't sound like Jack but it's an Alternate Realitie so.

leiasky
November 9th, 2008, 10:39 PM
Alternate Reality episodes are fun, and I like this one very much. Full of action, suspense and a bit of tenderness.

Cello
December 11th, 2008, 06:36 PM
I really like this episode; I think it's the best I've seen yet. (I'm seeing SG-1 for the first time, starting with Season One.)


1. How on earth where they able to have a Stargate program without having Daniel on the team or having ever visited Abydos? The cartouche data with all the possible gate addresses and the point of origin in Abydos is located far far away from the gate and without the interaction with the Abydonians, they would have never gotten the information.
I think AlternateCatherine explained that she deciphered at least one gate address. Perhaps her team encountered an equivalent of Abydos' Rosetta Stone on some other world.

Cello
December 11th, 2008, 06:46 PM
I wonder what the alternate SGC did to really piss off the snakeheads?
I would love to know that too. I would guess that without a Jaffa on their side, teaching them Goa'uld culture and telling them where to tread carefully, the alternate Stargate teams probably stepped on a lot more toes, by accident, than our own did. If true, this would prove how important Teal'c's defection was.

gateship15
December 12th, 2008, 05:06 PM
i agree that teal'c was very important and with out him the team in the alternate sgc most probably stepped on toes and most probably made bad divisions like blowing up teal'c's home. i also believe without danial in the program that some of the things he did like staying behind on abidose (sorry for spelling) and not allowing it to get blown up, marring his wife losing her when she became a host may have made a diffrence to the alternate world.

_Ancients_
February 9th, 2009, 10:58 AM
So why didn't Daniel use his video camera to record the alternate reality? The video obviously survives since he was able to show the AU crew what his universe looks like. I think it would have been a lot easier to explain what happened to the people in his reality when he got back. Anyways, I just re-watched the episode and I was curious on why he didn't do it. :daniel:

amconway
February 9th, 2009, 11:09 AM
So why didn't Daniel use his video camera to record the alternate reality? The video obviously survives since he was able to show the AU crew what his universe looks like. I think it would have been a lot easier to explain what happened to the people in his reality when he got back. Anyways, I just re-watched the episode and I was curious on why he didn't do it.

Good question. In 1997, did video cameras record onto tape? Maybe he didn't have any left... And he was kind of busy with the imminent invasion. ;)

_Ancients_
February 9th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Probably still tape. Micro Cassettes or whatever they were called. So you are right, he may have used it all up before he got the the alternate reality.

Crazedwraith
February 11th, 2009, 03:39 PM
It's been a while since I actually saw the episode but wouldn't the AU SFs confiscate all his stuff when they arrested/confined him away?

amconway
February 11th, 2009, 06:32 PM
It's been a while since I actually saw the episode but wouldn't the AU SFs confiscate all his stuff when they arrested/confined him away?
Good point! That is almost certainly true, I think. It's possible that he could have gotten them back, but by that time, things were going to hell in a handbasket. ;)

Dumper
February 12th, 2009, 12:41 PM
I don't remember seeing a handbasket. :lol:

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 10:08 AM
So why didn't Daniel use his video camera to record the alternate reality? The video obviously survives since he was able to show the AU crew what his universe looks like. I think it would have been a lot easier to explain what happened to the people in his reality when he got back. Anyways, I just re-watched the episode and I was curious on why he didn't do it. :daniel:

maybe it didn't cross his mind considering what he was experiencing, if that happened to me i would not be like, OH I SHOULD GET THE VIDEO CAMERA THIS IS AMAZING. i'd be like, err i wanna get back to my reality rtfn

morjana
March 18th, 2009, 05:54 PM
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leiasky
March 19th, 2009, 08:59 AM
Hmm, what residuals go out to those involved with the production for online content?

Oh, that's right. NONE.

I won't be downloading.

amconway
March 19th, 2009, 09:15 AM
Hmm, what residuals go out to those involved with the production for online content?

Oh, that's right. NONE.

I won't be downloading.

Well, the production company and MGM certainly get something. I think the writers get something as negotiated in their last contract. The actors may not. If they do get anything, I know they want more. You know it's not a download and that Hulu is entirely legal, right? You're just watching it online.

leiasky
March 19th, 2009, 09:27 AM
So is watching online content on any of the network web sites. Legal, that is. But I won't support something like that unless everyone involved gets their cut of it. The actors, since their contract is currently in negotiation and the AMPTP isn't budging on it, currently don't.

shinysign
March 22nd, 2009, 08:50 PM
This was a good episode, it is hard to 'love' this episode for some reason, but I liked it and thought it was nessecary. I think for me it is so tense and dramatic that I am on edge the whole time, so it is harder to sit back and enjoy more. The alternate reality was much darker and more serious, I see alternate realities as a chance to explore a darker side anyway, even in Star Trek, have they ever really gone to a 'lighter' alternate reality where everything is happy and awesome? It is also a way to show a worst case scenario without having to deal with plot consequences in a normal reality, you simply can't destroy the entire earth in a normal reality, that would be hard to follow up, unless it is magically there in the next episode. So for me, the show was dark and tense but it was supposed to be.

It has been asked earlier, if in the alternate reality Daniel Jackson was still studying the possibility of alien life forms, pyramid ships, etc, why did he refuse to join the stargate program? That would have to be a pretty big reason, not a simple, "study the real versions of my theory or be ignored by the entire scientific community. Ah, I don't feel like dealing with real alien technology, I'll just keep studying this pyramid."

They made it seem like the alternate Jackson just changed his mind because he didn't feel like it. I could speculate as to reasons but the show gave no reasons so I would just be guessing.

O'Niell was very serious in this episode, I think it implied that if he had been completely straight and not such a joker he may have advanced to a higher rank earlier. The reality is that he gets advanced in rank in the original reality too, but the military doesn't always like jokers, and perhaps his superiors would have taken him more seriously if he was constantly serious. I could imagine a completely serious O'Neill running the entire stargate program. Of course, I prefer joking O'Niell, I just think that may be part of it. Total destruction of earth also may have made him more serious than normal.

I like the conversations about what the alternate reality people did that made for a full scale attack. A simple answer could be that instead of doing things to upset the Goa'uld, they just didn't have enough defenses, didn't have the right contacts such as Teal'c, and didn't meet the right people and get the technology at the right time. Alternate reality Jack seemed pretty gung ho with the bombs, maybe they had been too rash or militaristic in their dealings and this resulted in an escalating contact with the Goa'uld. But the reality is, when Daniel goes back, he sees the Goa'uld attack as inevitable in HIS reality, so they can't have done that much different.

Watching it again, to me when he touches the mirror it is a bit annoying. First he completely disobeys Jack's order, not realizing that there is a giant sign saying get out of here and that the surface is a biohazard. He should have just taken Jacks word on this and gotten out, requested to return at a later time with a team of scientests. Then he turns on an alien technology sees something that resembles a portal and touches it. I realize it is curiosity but watching it a second time it is like, what are you doing? Go back and don't touch it! The reality is, he got some good intel, including a gate address, so his trip might have saved his own world.

Jumper_One
March 31st, 2009, 05:52 PM
Finally, sometime last week, some website put together a list of their favorite episode titles. Alas, Stargate failed to make the list. To rectify that oversight, Ive decided to put together a list of My Top 10 Favorite Stargate Titles:

**snip**

2) There But For the Grace of God Go I: Best Title For An AU Episode Ever! - because, at the end of the day, this is what is at the heart of every great A.U. story: the path not followed, the road not taken (coincidentally, the title of another SG-1 A.U. episode).
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/march-31-2009-my-five-second-stint-as-a-camera-operator-the-kino-revealed-and-my-top-10-favorite-stargate-episode-titles/

leiasky
March 31st, 2009, 06:11 PM
I think this episode is one of my favorite AU's as well. And I've always loved the title.

Starbreaker
April 3rd, 2009, 02:49 PM
I'm sorry... but writers and actors do get residuals from "new media." Remember that big strike from last year??

Replicator Todd
April 3rd, 2009, 03:25 PM
This is one of my favorite Stargate episodes. I think all the Parallel Universe episodes are my favorite! It was cool to see Jack as General, a great way, if it was, to foreshadow O'neills future.

_Ancients_
April 6th, 2009, 08:08 PM
maybe it didn't cross his mind considering what he was experiencing, if that happened to me i would not be like, OH I SHOULD GET THE VIDEO CAMERA THIS IS AMAZING. i'd be like, err i wanna get back to my reality rtfn

I hear ya.

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 03:55 PM
the first in many episodes in which we muck around with time and alternate realities. we never learn do we. a really good episode. Top 5

JadeStarkiller
July 29th, 2009, 09:38 PM
I've started a marathon of Stargate, I'm watching the episode 'There But For the Grace of God', and something has caught my attetion.

In the beginning when SG1 comes through the gate on the planet, the set looks very much like the set on 'Tin Man'.

I'm wondering if they used the same set for both those episodes and just changed the props around???

Anyone else noticed this???

JadeStarkiller
July 29th, 2009, 09:44 PM
I've started a marathon of Stargate, I'm watching the episode 'There But For the Grace of God', and something has caught my attetion.

In the beginning when SG1 comes through the gate on the planet, the set looks very much like the set on 'Tin Man'.

I'm wondering if they used the same set for both those episodes and just changed the props around???

Anyone else noticed this???

lordofseas
August 2nd, 2009, 09:42 PM
*gasp* Double post! :P J.k.

I didn't notice, actually. :/

mrscopterdoc
February 15th, 2010, 08:51 PM
I just love AU eppies. This one is kind of sad though, but still good.

Tachyon
April 6th, 2010, 10:42 PM
Anyone else noticed this???

Didn't caught my eye. But on the other hand I've seen Tin Man maybe twice. :P

Jacquelyn
April 7th, 2010, 01:26 PM
This episode was a cool one. :) I like the fact that they made the title that way.


I was sad at the end since everyone died. :( It was disappointing to me because I wanted everyone to live.
R.I.P. Alternate Reality Earth.

Girlbot
June 10th, 2010, 11:24 AM
Very good episode, the quantum mirror was fantastic, what a concept. :) What a dilemna for the alt world, to allow Daniel to go back and save what would be destroyed in theeir world.

Eestlanna
July 4th, 2010, 06:05 AM
Did they do anything with that gate address Daniel brought with him?

rushy
July 4th, 2010, 08:47 AM
Yeah, they used it to go aboard Klorel's mothership.

Martina Magnus
July 14th, 2010, 07:46 AM
I love other realities :D

maneth
July 16th, 2010, 12:03 PM
Really cool episode, loved the confusion at first until they figured things out.

rushy
August 29th, 2010, 04:02 AM
OK. I liked the part where everyone were already dead and Daniel was trapped in the Gate Room cos the Jaffa are everywhere. I also liked Colonel Hammond and General O'Neill. AND James Spader!

rushy
August 29th, 2010, 04:07 AM
How many AU episodes there has been?
*There's But For the Grace of God Main: Daniel.
*Point of View Main: SG-1
*1969 Main: SG-1
*2010 Main: SG-1 + Dr. Fraiser
*Before I Sleep Main: Weir
*The Last Man Main: Sheppard
*Ripple Effect Main: SG-1
*Time Main: Rush and Scott
*Stargate Continuum Main:Mitchell

Tallifer
September 11th, 2010, 12:06 AM
This story reminded very, very much of the classic Doctor Who story called "Inferno" with Jon Pertwee as the Doctor. His Tardis threw him into an alternate dimension where the Brigadier and Liz Shaw were officers of a fascist Britain.

Just like in this Stargate story, both worlds were faced with the same problem, and just like in this story, the alternate earth was completely destroyed because of unwitting acts of foolishness and stubbornness. Again, the hero was able to return to his proper dimension with the sacrificial help of the people of the alternate dimension, and he was in time to save the earth we know from a like fate.

The only difference was that the threat in the Whovian tale was a geological calamaity of Atlantean proportions brought about by drilling into the earth's crust (plus an irrelevant side plot about some unexplained weird primordial goo seeping up from the depths and transforming people into savage primate-like monsters).

bobsenior
September 13th, 2010, 08:45 AM
I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before but in this episode in the alternate reality the SGC is called the SGA, anyone know what that stands for? (And don't say Atlantis)

Vagabond Serpent
October 18th, 2010, 06:38 AM
A model of how to do outstanding episodes. One of the best episodes of the season one along with "The Torment of Tantalus" and in top five of the series in whole. And as far as I can remember, it's the only four episode season ending/start amongst all SG series.

I agree that it is a nice way to tell a "what if" story without damaging the main plot curve and dealing with its aftermath. What if Daniel wouldn't be here from the very beginning? What if Teal'C would stay Apophis' First Prime? What if Sam wouldn't be Captain Carter? What'd happen if Catherine would still run the program?

Daniel clearly got ears deep in you-know-what on that planet just from his plain curiousity and willingness to study everything possible. But in the end that saved our Earth from destruction. It was that bit of luck that literally is capable of saving world.

I enjoyed the weirdness of things in that episode greatly. Colonel Hammond, General O'Neill leading the StarGate Association (according to GW's wiki), though after later seasons General O'Neill sounds more familiar than Colonel. Speaking of Jack, he was way different there. But it's understandable as his home just got destroyed. He's no longer a joker, but a ruthless soldier. Sam as a civilian was a strange view, but interesting. And that was gem for Sam/Jack shippers. And she's the same tough Sam as in our reality when she uses that grenade to take all the jaffa with her. Daniel of AU had some reason to refuse join the program, and I can't even guess why, but it was ironic after he got killed by the same aliens he was trying to study in Egypt without leaving Earth.

Local Teal'C seems to be different from ours only in hair. His face told the truth, that he hates being a slave of the false god in this reality as much as in ours, but Jack's decision to nuke Chu'lak toughened his heart. He lost family and people and had nobody to free from shackles from that moment, and he killed the man who ordered the death of his beloved ones. But he gave Daniel a chance in the end of episode. Instead of shooting him dead on sight, he waited until the gate was opened and Daniel ran. So maybe O'Neill message had some impact on him after all. And it was fun to watch jaffa trying to disarm the selfdestruct and batting each other hands. :P

The most important people of the whole world were evacuated from Earth via SGA and that attracted Goa'Uld to the Cheyenne Mountain complex and speeded up things there, making Daniel eventually the only survivior there. Watching Chevron Guy in civilian and doing a lot of fighting was amusing too. It's a shame he never made it to the gate, obviously either getting killed by jaffa or by self-destruct. Can't understand well what made Jack helping our Daniel except of realisation that his own world was doomed already and urge to save some similar then. I guess if he hadn't used the camera to show Teal'C our reality, Daniel would record some of that reality and used that tape in the next episode. :P Catherine did the same thing Jack did, technically: if there's another she living happily with Ernest, so be it, let's save them.

So, this episode is centered mostly around Daniel, in my opinion, and shows how important he is to the program. He brought that slim chance of salvation with him from that reality and what happened to it where he wasn't along with SGC, influencing its actions, was a disaster.

Those aliens who made that quantum mirror surely did a great thing, both dangerous and beneficial. :)

Oh, and the ending of the episode: "Jack, they're coming!" sounds and looks extremely similar to "Everett! They're coming!" ;)

10/10

Noxbait
January 23rd, 2011, 02:27 PM
Currently watching this episode...and something just hit me. When Daniel first meets Jack in the AU, he tries to convince him that they know each other by telling him about Charlie's death. It hadn't hit me before, but this is a neat little parallelism that reoccurs in Continuum. Daniel tries the same thing, only that time Jack isn't nearly as convinced and obviously, his reality was different that time around because Charlie hadn't died. I just thought that was a fascinating little aside.

Also, I couldn't help but notice that AU Sam's hair was much prettier and more realistic than AU Sam in Point of View. Interesting.

Love this episode...and what it leads into. It is so nice to see Catherine (even if she is AU in this one). Wish she'd've been in more episodes.

Lunaeclipse
February 24th, 2011, 08:04 PM
I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before but in this episode in the alternate reality the SGC is called the SGA, anyone know what that stands for? (And don't say Atlantis)

I would've thought something like Stargate Administration, but that's just a guess... Stargate Alt-Universe(if the director was being funny)

FrodoFraggins
March 19th, 2011, 02:46 AM
10/10

Story by David Kemper - who did a great job on Farscape.

My only complaints are:

Alternate universe Tealc. I was honestly expecting them to show him with a cheesy AU Spock type goatee. Although they didn't do that, they did give him a cheesy hairpiece!

There's no reason to let Daniel gate immediately back to the planet with the mirror. He simply could of gated there AFTER going to the planet they were escaping to.

stupidoctopus
May 12th, 2011, 12:10 AM
The strongest thing, for me, in this episode is that Teal'c shot his alternate self. It shows that Teal'c has a great strength. I don't think they could question his loyalty (if they did) after that.

I think you're confusing this episode with "Point of View (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?139-Point-of-View-%28306%29)" (306), where the alternate Sam and alternate Kawalski come to our reality.


My only complaints are:

Alternate universe Tealc. I was honestly expecting them to show him with a cheesy AU Spock type goatee. Although they didn't do that, they did give him a cheesy hairpiece!

There's no reason to let Daniel gate immediately back to the planet with the mirror. He simply could of gated there AFTER going to the planet they were escaping to.

Isn't there an alt Teal'c with a cheesy goatee? Or is that a shoop going around?

Also, wasn't beta site fitted with an iris, and closed off? Even so, if they had dialed the beta site and left through it, they would have risked the Jaffa seeing the coordinates on the computers.

Finally, perhaps they all believed Daniel had to get to his reality immediately, because the invasion could start any moment?


Love this episode...and what it leads into. It is so nice to see Catherine (even if she is AU in this one). Wish she'd've been in more episodes.

Agreed! Catherine's a great character.


I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before but in this episode in the alternate reality the SGC is called the SGA, anyone know what that stands for? (And don't say Atlantis)

Stargate Association, if you ask me.

Lunaeclipse
May 13th, 2011, 10:25 PM
I think you're confusing this episode with "Point of View (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?139-Point-of-View-%28306%29)" (306), where the alternate Sam and alternate Kawalski come to our reality.

Ooops yep sorry. Must've forgotten which thread I was in. Thanks I removed the post. :)

stupidoctopus
May 17th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Ooops yep sorry. Must've forgotten which thread I was in. Thanks I removed the post. :)

No problem. Honestly, it's quite easy to confuse, considering they are the two Quantum Mirror episodes.

mathpiglet
July 20th, 2011, 03:51 PM
After Teal'c sees the warning thingie and tells Jack that the planet is radioactive, Jack tells Daniel they need to go. Daniel is upset since there are many interesting things to see. Why didn't Jack tell him about the danger? It would have taken less time than arguing with him.

SaberBlade
July 20th, 2011, 03:58 PM
After Teal'c sees the warning thingie and tells Jack that the planet is radioactive, Jack tells Daniel they need to go. Daniel is upset since there are many interesting things to see. Why didn't Jack tell him about the danger? It would have taken less time than arguing with him.

Jack is a soldier. He gives an order so he expects it to be followed. If he stopped to explain everything each time Daniel wanted to walk head first into a dangerous situation, they'd never leave the gate room.

garhkal
July 20th, 2011, 04:33 PM
I would have liked to see them come back with a geiger counter.. just to see how much radiation there was//

mathpiglet
July 21st, 2011, 12:41 PM
Jack is a soldier. He gives an order so he expects it to be followed. If he stopped to explain everything each time Daniel wanted to walk head first into a dangerous situation, they'd never leave the gate room.

I understand the soldier mentality, but by now Jack must realize that Daniel is not military. Surely the one second it would take to say, "...because there is a high level of radiation," is not too much. It would forestall arguments.

Mind you, then there would be no story. :p

hedwig
July 21st, 2011, 01:15 PM
I understand the soldier mentality, but by now Jack must realize that Daniel is not military. Surely the one second it would take to say, "...because there is a high level of radiation," is not too much. It would forestall arguments.

Mind you, then there would be no story. :p

By the same token, by now Daniel should realize that when Jack gives an order, he means it. He doesn't mean "let's discuss it and see which one of us right".

I think Jack and Hammond have been entirely too lenient with Daniel throughout the first season, and way beyond that. :)

I have to wonder, though, how many times Daniel got left behind on one of these trips. When he comes running out of the room where the quantum mirror was, and finds the rest of the team gone, he says something like "I really hate it when this happens." Sounds like he's done this before and they left without him. :)

Noxbait
July 21st, 2011, 09:07 PM
By the same token, by now Daniel should realize that when Jack gives an order, he means it. He doesn't mean "let's discuss it and see which one of us right".

I think Jack and Hammond have been entirely too lenient with Daniel throughout the first season, and way beyond that. :)

I have to wonder, though, how many times Daniel got left behind on one of these trips. When he comes running out of the room where the quantum mirror was, and finds the rest of the team gone, he says something like "I really hate it when this happens." Sounds like he's done this before and they left without him. :)


In response to your last paragraph, I wonder if Daniel wasn't referring to when he got stuck with Nem in "Fire and Water." I don't think there was any other time he got left. That's what I've always assumed he meant. I really can't see Jack NOT making sure his team was all present and accounted for when they went back through the gate.

hedwig
July 22nd, 2011, 02:14 PM
In response to your last paragraph, I wonder if Daniel wasn't referring to when he got stuck with Nem in "Fire and Water." I don't think there was any other time he got left. That's what I've always assumed he meant. I really can't see Jack NOT making sure his team was all present and accounted for when they went back through the gate.

Thanks. I hadn't thought about that. :)

muziqaz
August 19th, 2011, 06:08 AM
I always enjoy episodes with alternative realities.
What if... :)
Really liked it.

dtheories
August 20th, 2011, 11:45 AM
One of my all time favs!
Begins so lighthearted with the filming, Good Morning Campers, door #2, then turns deadly in a heartbeat. The entire ep, and the two that follow ramp up the level of anxiety in a believable manner.
I can't believe an archaeologist would start plucking artifacts out of their environment even if it were from a lab and not the point of origin. That makes me uncomfortable somehow. But the iconic overhead view of the glyphs lighting up on the DHD, the bravery of Hammond and his Bravo Co., Ferretti, even Walter getting into the action to save the SGA contribute to make this an exceptional and tight ep.
Applaud the actors for being able to pretend they don't know Daniel even while he's behaving typical of his character with all the hand flapping and hair flopping. His passion, logic, general lack of fear in the presence of Jack or Teal'c was impressive.
Quite the education in this ep of science (dialing speed, 38 minutes, 'gate addresses translate to numbers), relationships (Jack and Daniel, Jack and Teal'c, Jack and Carter), military (blowing up the base, sending bombs to meet all threats, commands and orders), compassion (consequenses of destroying Chulak, empathy for alt. world populations).
Fantastico!

Starscape91
August 20th, 2011, 04:07 PM
I love alternate reality episodes.

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 21st, 2011, 05:37 AM
One thing that really stands out to me in this ep. Alt reality Teal'cs pony tail lol.

One of my favourites this season. Never get bored watching it.

Scotaf
August 22nd, 2011, 05:48 AM
Probably the best episode of the season 1. It was nice to see all the actors playing slightly differently off of each other in this episode. It shows their abilities. I agree with what some others have said I never get tired of this one. I'm kinda of dreading watching the next one...I hate clip shows! here we come "Politics"

Krisz
August 23rd, 2011, 03:23 PM
Another top episode of Season 1! I love the alternate reality episodes in Stargate. Always such a great way to explore what can be or could have been!

Just so weird having Hammond as a Colonel, and of course Sam always has long hair in the alternate universe! :D

Jae'a
August 25th, 2011, 08:09 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/6280.html)

I wonder if alternate reality Bra'tac is dead too along with Teal'c's family :(

Matt G
August 25th, 2011, 10:41 AM
Another Sunday afternoon, another ep of SG1, I vaguely remember hearing something before I watched it about this ep being an alternate reality ep. What I got...

1. The first 'slam' was all those guns being pointed at Daniel. That and Colonel Hammond pretty much confirmed this as an AU.

2. Earth being hammered. 'Slam'.

3. Chulak getting nuked. 'slam'.

4. Daniel getting out just before the SGA blows...

5. Jack and Sam engaged...? :eek:

Bottom line, this was the point where SG1 went from being a decent way to burn an hour to a top quality show. An absolute rollercoaster. Looking it over once again, yes the SGA came accross as a bit rough around the edges but...you still wanted them to survive.

And the biggest thing about this ep..."we're all in big trouble...they;re coming...". 'Slam'. Up till now, the Goa'uld were going to attack at some point but not any time soon. Now...

jckfan55
August 25th, 2011, 03:51 PM
I'm not always a big fan of alternate universe stories, but this one worked well. It was fun to see Daniel in the alt world as being very peripheral.
Catherine: "...I admit we referenced your work occasionally" :D
But then how he convinces them that his world can still be saved.

Nice range of Jack from hard nosed military man to being convinced by Daniel.

Carter got a nice hero moment too. The first time I watched it I almost thought she was really surrendering--but that was before I knew Carter better. :)

mathpiglet
August 25th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Watching this today made me wonder which episode I like better; this one or Torment of Tantalus.

I think it's this one. I love AU stories!

Nindif
August 25th, 2011, 11:29 PM
As good as this episode is (Nice effects, solid plot, well acted, cool technology and great conclusion) I can never help but feel the whole things plays out too conveniently.

Why would Teal'c have allowed Jack to play him a video in the first place? This challenges what we know about the Jaffa being shoot first talk later.

It is very convenient they all agree to simply abandon their own timeline to save anothers. Obviously they are all good people, but it just seems to happen without too much debate.

Still, its a great episode.

fems
August 26th, 2011, 03:57 AM
Why would Teal'c have allowed Jack to play him a video in the first place? This challenges what we know about the Jaffa being shoot first talk later.



I assume that AUTeal'c also has some suspicions about the Goa'uld being gods, just like our Teal'c in Children of the Gods. Besides, AUTeal'c knew that he was winning the battle so why not spare a few seconds to check out the story? He could always kill AUJack later.

poundpuppy29
August 26th, 2011, 09:29 AM
I loved this ep thought it was a great Daniel episode

LeftHandedGuitarist
August 26th, 2011, 01:27 PM
This was always an episode I really enjoyed, but for some reason on this viewing it totally failed to engage me. Maybe it's because I'm in a low mood right now (relationship ending, best friend gone) but I struggled with this. So, here's a few observations:

- I'm sure as time goes on, the MALP sent through to check out each world before the teams go through (noticeably absent in a lot of season 1 episodes) would detect any possible radiation issues.

- Teal'c's ponytail is awesome.

- Gate addresses continue to confuse me a little. In the original movie, figuring out the gate address to get home from Abydos was a big deal, and it had to do with understanding the star constellations and figuring out the point of origin. The point of origin seems to be a symbol which will be unique to each gate (making that part relatively easy if you have some other gates for comparison). As luck would have it, Daniel found the symbols written down. In the show, getting back home from planets appears to be quite simple, and I get the impression that the address for Earth is always the same 6 symbols from every gate, plus the unique point of origin. Is that right? In this episode, how Daniel figured out the gate address from the radio signal makes no sense to me, as he says he needs to figure out their numbering system. I think he assumes that the point of origin is their #1, but that could have been completely wrong as far as he knows. I'm thinking about this too much.

- When Daniel first meets alt-Sam there's a moment of realisation on his face and he mutters to himself, "... of course!". This always implies to me that he's figured out what's going on, but it's not followed up on. Later on when he and Sam discuss the alternate universe theory it seems to take him a little by surprise. So, I wonder what his earlier realisation was, or if it's just a strange editing mistake/left over material that someone missed.

- First mention of the 38 minute rule.

So, although this episode didn't do much for me on this viewing, I can't fail it as a good piece of writing and production. It's fun, it messes around with the rules and sets a lot of big things in motion, and Michael Shanks carries the episode brilliantly.

RATING: 8.5 out of 10

hlndncr
August 26th, 2011, 03:50 PM
I love AU, what ifs . . . .

This is so much fun. And I was really happy to see Catherine back. I wish we would have seen more of her past season 1 (not counting 1969).

So seeing Jack as the general in charge of the SGC is a some great foreshadowing, even if they didn't know it at the time. And General Kerrigan became a news anchor in this AU. :P

Jack in particular seems different to me. Sam and Daniel still bounce off of each other and seem to get along from the first moment. But Jack seems harder and more abrupt. Obviously, the situation is dire and that makes him harsher than maybe he would be in calmer times, but I also think that he just hasn't had Daniel's softening influence.

And Sam and Jack engaged! I admit that surprised me the first time I watched this ep. There's just no indication until that moment when they bid one another a tender goodbye. It clearly threw Daniel for a loop too.

As for Alt!Teal'c, I think he would have been convinced to help them if Jack hadn't sent the bomb to Chulak and killed his family. When he kills Jack I think some of that was a Jaffa revenge thing. He essentially lets Daniel get away. So I think there was a part of this Teal'c that did want to rebel against the Goa'uld.



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NowIWillDestroyAbydos
August 26th, 2011, 05:07 PM
Pretty good alternate reality episode. Found it weird that Jack is called a General (foreshadowing almost 6(?) seasons into the future).

Let's see, the our characters in this reality:
-Jack & Sam: Engaged, one's military, one isn't
-Daniel: Dead
-Hammond: Demoted to Colonel
-Teal'c: Still evil

On Monday, SG-1's first clip show and the introduction of Sen. Kinsey.

garhkal
August 27th, 2011, 04:20 PM
I did find it strange that sam in that AU was not in the mil.

SG1Member
August 27th, 2011, 06:17 PM
This episode has the distinction of having the longest episode title in the entire series. Fun fact!

DigiFluid
August 29th, 2011, 05:53 AM
I never really understood why this episode is so popular. For me it's always been alright, definitely watchable, but nothing to write home about.

chaddergate
August 30th, 2011, 05:00 PM
I loved this ep thought it was a great Daniel episode

Yes, ditto. Great setup for the end of the season.

jelgate
August 31st, 2011, 11:33 AM
I find season 1 to be hit and miss. Their are some good ones but also thier are some bad episodes. Its one of SG1's weakest season. However I have always loved the 3 epiosde arc that leads into season 2. I wished SG1 had more mult-episode end of the season arc.

This episode's job is to set the setting of the arc which is as we know the Goa'uld coming to attack Earth. Its an interesting way of doing it. Instead of being told the Goa'uld are coming we are shown through an AU. Being an AU their is nothing really character ground breaking. This is more of an action episode to show what a Goa'uld invasion looks like. And in that frame I'm entertained especially because the characters are simliar enough to care when you see the AU SG1 die.

Naomi
September 1st, 2011, 09:21 AM
Why would Teal'c have allowed Jack to play him a video in the first place? This challenges what we know about the Jaffa being shoot first talk later.Jack almost immediately calls Teal'c by name, something Jack should not have known. That would pique Teal'c's interest. Jack is unarmed, so Teal'c could feel free to question him. For me, Teal'c watching the videotape isn't too much of a stretch.


It is very convenient they all agree to simply abandon their own timeline to save anothers. Obviously they are all good people, but it just seems to happen without too much debate.

Still, its a great episode.Not many personnel were left to go through the gate to the Beta site. The Jaffa had overrun Cheyenne Mountain, so no one outside of the complex would even have a chance to go through the stargate. For me the biggest question at this juncture is why not use the last chance to dial out to go to the Beta site, taking Daniel with them. Daniel could gate to P3R-233, the planet where the mirror was found, from the Beta site.

Still, like you, I think this is a great episode. I think everyone did a great acting job. How they treat Daniel like a stranger while still maintaining the essence of their individual characters is done very well.

garhkal
September 5th, 2011, 04:19 PM
This episode has the distinction of having the longest episode title in the entire series. Fun fact!

How much longer was it?

Traveler Enroute1
September 16th, 2011, 09:30 PM
SG Rewatch episodes: 101 - 105, 106, 107, 109, 110, 111,112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119

There But For The Grace Of God

"Good morning, Campers!" A great Jack-ism opens this memorable episode.

The writing, direction and acting all came together to make this a stand-out episode. Not that we don't immediately see that something's really odd right away, of course. But what it turns out to mean was unexpected and an immediate attention grabber. There were so many note worthy pluses to this episode, I think I tried to name them all!

It managed to focus on (our) Daniel and at the same time spotlight the team. Shanks just kept getting better and better as he handled the misplaced traveler with convincing aplomb. The story opens with the team exploring an abandoned gate station, when Teal'c tells Jack the planet is booby-trapped.

Daniel grumbles and takes a hair too long to bug out (since Jack didn't bother telling him they were probably being irradiated) and pauses to examine an artifact. Something happens and when he calls for assistance he finds himself alone. Alone? The team left without him? Hmm. So grumbling again, Daniel dials the gate, steps through on the other side and meets deadly serious SGC security. The rides starts here.

There's a nice tweaking of the SGC 'reality' afoot. So much is the same: there's the SGC, gateroom security, and people. But then they aren't the same. Earth is under attack. Great hoot with Hammond being a colonel and not the general. Daniel's expression is priceless. I got his utter confusion and astonishment about his situation, and it was a convincing lead in. The nice writing and direction reveal that Daniel was in the Stargate's equivalent of through-the-looking-glass, nightmare version.

With Hammond as a colonel, guess who was general? Why, Jack of course. This more military, more focused Jack O'Neill is tough to watch, especially without his plethora of wisecracks. He's no less the dedicated commander and strategist, prepared to sacrifice for the sake of the planet. It makes his decision to agree to Daniel's request seem all the more questionable.

Being a realist, General Jack sees that their chances of escape from the invaders is pretty nil. Dr. Sam along with Katherine relay they will likely have only one shot at dialing out. Wouldn't that be the time to bail? Apparently, even in this universe Daniel's moral stance hooks Jack. In the face of everyone's expectations Jack chooses to help the other reality get a jumpstart on their similar fate. Hammond's dumbfounded expression says it all, Sam's a bit less but resigned.

I recall many mentions of this scenario. Why didn't they just dial their Alpha site and take Daniel, where he could THEN dial the planet with the mirror? Writer/director prerogative, I supposed. How much more dramatic if the SGC falls while the accidental alternate reality traveler returns to his universe and sounds the alarm? It worked well; lots of drama in the battle prep and firefights. But that little plot hitch just keeps nagging away at the other strong story lines.

A great undertone is set in the tense scene where Jack channels Daniel's earnestness in his appeal to the enemy, Teal'c. Teal'c actually listens to Jack even if he denies (as he should, in front of his underlings) that he craves freedom from the Goa'uld. The Jack we know is a man of few words, but General Jack spins his appeal out long enough (with his A/V aid) to allow their gate to get going. However he goes just a bit too far; mentioning Teal'c's family and Chulak shuts Teal'c down. And the Jaffa executes the man responsible for killing his family and others on his home world. Wow, that hit hard.

On the nicer side, Sam and Jack in the embrace that popped poor Daniel's eyes right into his glasses - priceless. Some things are indeed very different. Sam is a civilian, and has long hair, for example. Katherine is a part of the Stargate program and was instrumental in deciphering the gate symbols (instead of Daniel). Did I mention the Sam and Jack embrace? :)

Kudos to dear Don S. Davis as Hammond, giving the troops their last commands in their last stand. Solid military persona, worthy of a general. It's so clear that they will all perish in the line of duty, and spotlight Tau'ri courage. Saddened me even now to watch.

Thanks to the sacrifices of his alt-teammates, Daniel waits in the gate room while the chevrons light up his destination and Katherine makes her last stand. Enemy at the gates, as Jaffa besiege the blast doors and the computer counts down to self destruct. I felt Daniel's impatience as the gate turned ever so slowly! Wonderful goose-bumpy scene although Daniel's death is obviously not gonna happen. It's close though.

Teal'c, resplendent in ponytail/Mohawk and battle dress, makes it into the gate room just as the seventh chevron connects. There is a second of hesitation as he realizes this is the man the base commander spoke of, who knew another version of him. He raises his weapon and wings Daniel as he dives through the wormhole. Did he deliberately wound him, because he hoped the free Jaffa movement was true? Then, we assume, Teal'c dies with the other invaders in the explosion. Alas, not free.

Never forget the sigh of relief when we next see our SG-1 searching for Daniel. I was so sold.

This episode offered some neat intel to add to the Stargate universe, such as:



As Dr. Sam explained, the Gate can't traverse alternate realities on its own, but they did learn that special technology can.


First mention that the Stargate can't sustain an open wormhole indefinitely; Dr. Sam suspected it was around a half an hour.


While not apparent until the sequel to this story, Daniel was fortunate to travel back to the correct start point. If the 'remote control' setting altered when it was caught in Sam's grenade (or by the Jaffa), he could have re-entered at another point.


Loved the last shot of the Jaffa overrunning the control room as the final countdown continues. They are so toasted.


The blast doors to the gate room looked very flimsy. They are definitely reinforced later.


Still some tension between non-military Daniel as he comes up against Jack's orders. Jack is still impatient with Daniel's 'why?' when an order is given.


Daniel's exchange with Katherine was classic. So were his bouncing hands as he did his sing-song story of who he was. And ooh, frustration dance! He almost seemed manic at times. Applause, applause to MS.


I considered this a major Stargate episode that promoted the show nicely. I totally bought Daniel's fear for his own earth when he's found huddled near the alien mirror. A kind of peek at what SG-1 the series could have been like; tightly focused, action/drama driven, Not as much fun, though. Kudos to director David Warry-Smith.

Rated: 4/5

CMWriter
September 28th, 2011, 12:58 PM
Full review here... (http://blogging-sg1.blogspot.com/2011/09/there-but-for-grace-of-god-1-x-20.html)

It's unreal how much I loved this episode. I know, I probably say that a lot, but it was truly spectacular on just about every level. I love AU plots and while it's practically a staple of scifi (Star Trek, Fringe, etc. have all used it) that doesn't make it any less interesting. In fact, it's so vast in terms of story possibilities, it almost escapes the stigma of being a "cliche".

That said, I loved the possibilities of this episode, not because they didn't happen, but because they could still (in some ways) happen.

I know my review was kind of long but the gist of what I needed to say is in the "final thoughts" after the summary.

moondragon
October 15th, 2011, 07:22 PM
Our first AU episode and what a fantastic one it was. There was plenty of action and suspense to have you on the edge of your seat throughout the whole episode. When we first realize that were not in Kansas anymore is when we see Hammond, and hes a Coronel! Daniel was definitely in for more shocks. He was never part of the original team, Catherine works for SG1, O'neill is a General and in charge of the SGC, and of course Sam and Jack being engaged. MS delivered an amazing performance throughout the episode. His frustrated dance and anxiety over not understanding where he is and what is going on was spot on. Then there is his plea to be allowed to return to the planet for the mirror so that his reality could be saved. Finally, his performance when finally arriving back into his reality was epic. You could feel the fear and desperation at the knowing that they would also be under attack in the foreseeable future.

LT. COL. John Sheppard
December 13th, 2011, 03:44 AM
is was just watching There But For the Grace of God for the 27th time and why is it that every thing happens to daniel and not jack or sam or teal'c and why keep the same characters why not leave ra alive and not apophis the one they killed on the first mission to chulak instead of abydos

Lunaeclipse
December 13th, 2011, 03:01 PM
is was just watching There But For the Grace of God for the 27th time and why is it that every thing happens to daniel and not jack or sam or teal'c and why keep the same characters why not leave ra alive and not apophis the one they killed on the first mission to chulak instead of abydos

I assume more things happen to Daniel because the others have military training and he really doesn't... and he has a certain curiosity that the others don't...

Re was killed at the end of the movie... as far as I am aware (Stargate movie commentary) the movie and series weren't made or written by same people, so the series had to follow where the movie left off...

Seaboe Muffinchucker
December 13th, 2011, 03:47 PM
Ra was killed at the end of the movie... as far as I am aware (Stargate movie commentary) the movie and series weren't made or written by same people, so the series had to follow where the movie left off...

I think he meant why wasn't it Ra in the AU. Since the AU wasn't in the movie, the events of the movie didn't necessarily happen.

Seaboe

Reseph(Shed)
December 14th, 2011, 07:13 PM
I think he meant why wasn't it Ra in the AU. Since the AU wasn't in the movie, the events of the movie didn't necessarily happen.

Seaboe

The events of the movie could have happened, but another doctor or person could have went instead of Daniel. Maybe Katherine was the one to go with them and figure the stuff out since Daniel turned her down in the AU. It would explain why she had more of a presence at the SGC in the AU (even if she was a bit older) instead of Daniel who was nowhere to be seen. RA could potentially (but I'm not sure of how likely) still have been destroyed if the others still went through the gate without Daniel, only certain things probably wouldn't have happened. Daniel would never have stayed with Sha're so when they all returned they probably had no reason to go back to Abydos. I still find it odd that somehow they managed to get the attention of Apophis and the Gao'uld in the AU so they must have encountered them somewhere. So much to think about lol.

Reseph(Shed)
December 17th, 2011, 04:54 PM
Just a quick note for the people that "ship" Sam/Jack. Near the end of the episode we get a taste of this in this "Unrealized Reality" as us Farscapers call it.

Dimes
December 23rd, 2011, 09:48 AM
This episode was so cool!
Spoiler:
It's like the time traveling in the episode "1969".
Extremely cool, enough said! ^^

LT. COL. John Sheppard
December 28th, 2011, 11:06 PM
I assume more things happen to Daniel because the others have military training and he really doesn't... and he has a certain curiosity that the others don't...

Re was killed at the end of the movie... as far as I am aware (Stargate movie commentary) the movie and series weren't made or written by same people, so the series had to follow where the movie left off...
yes yes i know that ra was killed on abydos i have seen the move 14 times but what im saying is its a alternate universe so why can't things have been different kinda like what happened in moebius

Lunaeclipse
December 29th, 2011, 01:44 PM
yes yes i know that ra was killed on abydos i have seen the move 14 times but what im saying is its a alternate universe so why can't things have been different kinda like what happened in moebius

I assume that there is no Re because he died in the movie, so the makers of the show went in another direction with Appophis and as early in the series as this was that they wanted to stay on that story arc. Later on in the series, they may have felt it was time to head back to see Re.

Sam-n-Jack-in-<3
July 26th, 2012, 10:32 AM
Ah yes, the first of many alternate timelines. Isn't it interesting that in nearly every single one, Sam and Jack are married/engaged/together? Just a thought...;)

garhkal
July 28th, 2012, 10:41 PM
ANd in most of those one of the 2 is also not in the AF.

Major Clanger
October 15th, 2012, 01:09 PM
oh I love the AR stories. This one was really quite shocking, and very sad.

Not much more to say about this except that my other half gets really really mad at Daniel touching and fiddling with stuff.

Anoobis
January 4th, 2013, 04:14 AM
Sammy with long hair and Hammy not in command ... weird, but ... cool! I loved this episode, also seeing Aunt Kathy back in business was lovely. Also, O'Neill as a General ... they really had a sense of future-telling. It really happened. :D

garhkal
January 4th, 2013, 02:56 PM
It does make me wonder, why Kathrine quit the program (so it seemed) in our reality..

Anoobis
January 5th, 2013, 12:50 AM
Maybe she was in retirement age? Sammy is cuter anyway, so it's fine. :)

Major Clanger
January 5th, 2013, 02:17 AM
when, though? during the 50s she wasn't really part of it. then she was in it when she recruited Daniel, then I guess she was either working on it in the background, or retired (she's no spring chicken when we first meet her) then after Ernest gets back I assume she retired with him.