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ajiva
April 20th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Assuming the people on Novus are still alive, but what if the humans on Earth become the "Ancients" for the humans on Novus. A circle if you will, as humans seed this new galaxy and have some left over writings of how this ancient civilization thrived on a planet called Earth.

Steelbox
April 20th, 2011, 01:16 PM
I wouldn't call them the Ancients.

ajiva
April 20th, 2011, 01:17 PM
Not right away, but assuming the Novuns live long enough, and hundreds of thousands of years later.


I wouldn't call them the Ancients.

traylormatt
April 20th, 2011, 01:20 PM
Yeah, I made this point in another thread. It seems interesting how it has happened. A lot of similarities. Obviously they are not seen as technologically amazing as we see the ancients, but obviously the originators of their world and bringing them to that part of space.

SaberBlade
April 20th, 2011, 01:28 PM
I doubt the Novus would hold Earth in any series regard, given their distance from Earth and the large amount of time since their foundation 2,000 years ago.

It's also going to be hard for them to seed the galaxy, because Destiny's first generation Stargate is basically short range so there is a 300 light year (give or take) range between planets which can be dialled, they'd be limited to the two planets (Novus and the colony) so they couldn't seed the rest of the galaxy without a proper DHD like the Milky Way or Pegasus gates.

traylormatt
April 20th, 2011, 01:32 PM
I doubt the Novus would hold Earth in any series regard, given their distance from Earth and the large amount of time since their foundation 2,000 years ago.

It's also going to be hard for them to seed the galaxy, because Destiny's first generation Stargate is basically short range so there is a 300 light year (give or take) range between planets which can be dialled, they'd be limited to the two planets (Novus and the colony) so they couldn't seed the rest of the galaxy without a proper DHD like the Milky Way or Pegasus gates.

They could connect to other gates than Novus and the new planet. The young man said "our people were sent here as an expedition. one of several sent to find other viable worlds." So that implies that they were able to reach more worlds than just that one.

Puddle-Jumper
April 20th, 2011, 01:37 PM
They are only separated by 2000 years.. thats not nearly enough in terms of physical evolution.. though Id love to see the story explored further through SGU about these humans.

SaberBlade
April 20th, 2011, 01:40 PM
They could connect to other gates than Novus and the new planet. The young man said "our people were sent here as an expedition. one of several sent to find other viable worlds." So that implies that they were able to reach more worlds than just that one.

From Destiny's location, it could only dial Novus (which was offline) and the colony. It's always possible that from Novus, several other gates could have been in range. Since the colony was stuck there, it's reasonable to believe that no other planets than Novus were in range from the colony. Eli or one of the other scientists would have needed to bring a database of gate address, which when used with a proper power supply/DIY DHD could allow long range dials across the galaxy. If not, they were stuck using the scanners which detect gates in range and would have eventually range out of planets to visit. They'd basically be skipping from planet to planet but eventually they'd run out.

traylormatt
April 20th, 2011, 01:47 PM
From Destiny's location, it could only dial Novus (which was offline) and the colony. It's always possible that from Novus, several other gates could have been in range. Since the colony was stuck there, it's reasonable to believe that no other planets than Novus were in range from the colony. Eli or one of the other scientists would have needed to bring a database of gate address, which when used with a proper power supply/DIY DHD could allow long range dials across the galaxy. If not, they were stuck using the scanners which detect gates in range and would have eventually range out of planets to visit. They'd basically be skipping from planet to planet but eventually they'd run out.

Yeah, definitely. from the colony it is safe to assume only Novus was ever in range. But from Novus more than just the colony was definitely accessible to the people of Novus.

Puddle-Jumper
April 20th, 2011, 02:23 PM
Yeah, definitely. from the colony it is safe to assume only Novus was ever in range. But from Novus more than just the colony was definitely accessible to the people of Novus.

I couldn't really understand that actually, Destiny seemed to have a fairly long journey considering the gates range is supposed to be very short, like previously we saw that one jump in FTL will put them out of range...

Alien encounter
April 20th, 2011, 02:26 PM
what bugs me is even with 2000 years of advancement they are not as advanced. they don't seem to have space capabilities, although the civ was founded by people including some physicists ....... and their exploration base doesn't look as promising after 30 year as it looked after 10 years of landing of eli's team in novus.

well it just might be how the writers wanted it, but still .... it bugged me. :D

however it's still an awesome ep, and another reason why we don't want SGU to end. :(

SaberBlade
April 20th, 2011, 02:36 PM
what bugs me is even with 2000 years of advancement they are not as advanced. they don't seem to have space capabilities, although the civ was founded by people including some physicists ....... and their exploration base doesn't look as promising after 30 year as it looked after 10 years of landing of eli's team in novus.

well it just might be how the writers wanted it, but still .... it bugged me. :D

however it's still an awesome ep, and another reason why we don't want SGU to end. :(

Where can they go with space travel? They'd also not need it, because of the Stargate. I'm also starting to think that perhaps they are the ones responsible for the drones (two factions, no longer around, could be a coincidence though) so they may have space and hyperdrive technology.

Alien encounter
April 20th, 2011, 02:47 PM
Where can they go with space travel? They'd also not need it, because of the Stargate. I'm also starting to think that perhaps they are the ones responsible for the drones (two factions, no longer around, could be a coincidence though) so they may have space and hyperdrive technology.

interesting point there ..... but if they were behind the drones with hyper-drives, they would probably be aware of their destination loc and would not remain only on gate itself - just like SG-1.

but 2000 years is supposed to be a huge time for development & no one needs a valid reason for space travel thanks to human's eternal exploration desires :D. however, its difficult to think of an advance civ without satellites.

may be these points will be answered in next episodes, or may be they were sacrificed for the sake an interesting story.

General Jumper One
April 20th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Why would they make the drones if they knew quite a bit from the founders that the drones would destroy their makers and stuff

traylormatt
April 20th, 2011, 03:35 PM
Why would they make the drones if they knew quite a bit from the founders that the drones would destroy their makers and stuff

Yeah this is what I can't figure out. Everyone seems to keep saying this idea of them building the drones. They seemed to have no idea what those things were during the episode and why would they build them if they know they would destroy them in the future. But hey ho.

I wonder if it was ever to be exaplined how the drones came to use to gates. Does that mean the Ursini were using the gates a lot or had a small empire and they used the gate signal to work out where they all were. who knows.

Nth Chevron
April 20th, 2011, 03:45 PM
The Novans were using the gates, maybe we awoke them by sending out colonization expeditions.

N.C

erotavlas
April 20th, 2011, 03:45 PM
What if the people from Novus ascended and they are actually the godlike beings who created the planet in Faith.

Nth Chevron
April 20th, 2011, 04:00 PM
For that i would say a definite NO.

The Alterans spent the best part of 100 million years evolving to the point of Ascension.

How the hell are we so special we manage it in less than 1 million?

Barring Daniels help and Mckays super steroid beam.

N.C

Generic Blue
April 20th, 2011, 06:10 PM
a lot of people think that universe would have ended with them going back in time and creating the universe, so they would be like super ancients

D Toccs
April 20th, 2011, 06:10 PM
what bugs me is even with 2000 years of advancement they are not as advanced. they don't seem to have space capabilities, although the civ was founded by people including some physicists ....... and their exploration base doesn't look as promising after 30 year as it looked after 10 years of landing of eli's team in novus.

well it just might be how the writers wanted it, but still .... it bugged me. :D

however it's still an awesome ep, and another reason why we don't want SGU to end. :(

Novus looked at least equally as advanced after 2000 years as modern day Earth civilization is. The Destiny crew started the society from absolutely nothing, being familiar with technology and having a few scientists might have provided a bit of a head start, but it wouldn't equate to the giant leap forward that many people here seem to think.


What if the people from Novus ascended and they are actually the godlike beings who created the planet in Faith.

For one, the Planet Builders were encountered in a different galaxy. For another, the Novan's are still just average Homo Sapiens, exactly like those found on Earth. It has been established that humans are not even close to natural ascension.

garhkal
April 20th, 2011, 08:29 PM
And even those who can, take a long time doing nothing but meditation on it (SGA season 2)

D Toccs
April 20th, 2011, 08:32 PM
And even those who can, take a long time doing nothing but meditation on it (SGA season 2)

Those people weren't even average humans. Their descendants had lived inside the time dilation field for many generations, effectively giving them many thousands of years worth of evolution, which is why they possessed telekinetic and healing powers similar to the Ancients.

Alien encounter
April 21st, 2011, 11:58 AM
Novus looked at least equally as advanced after 2000 years as modern day Earth civilization is. The Destiny crew started the society from absolutely nothing, being familiar with technology and having a few scientists might have provided a bit of a head start, but it wouldn't equate to the giant leap forward that many people here seem to think.

its not absolutely nothing :D . do you understand the science and math a 12th standard student studies is what mankind has achieved till 20th century ? :)

now if they could write down a lot of these knowledge and show the young the way, then it should have been possible to advance the civ a lot more in 2000 years than the current state of human civilization in earth (minus the ancient stuff maybe).
i agree there was a shortage of headcount and industrial resources..... but, considering destiny's crews had enough varieties of scientists and technologists, it was just a few months/ years that they could start with building a furnace.

o well, such small headcount is no doubt a major issue, and probably had played the leg pulling role here. :(

garhkal
April 21st, 2011, 04:23 PM
Those people weren't even average humans. Their descendants had lived inside the time dilation field for many generations, effectively giving them many thousands of years worth of evolution, which is why they possessed telekinetic and healing powers similar to the Ancients.

True that..
Heck have we ever seen anything about base humans doing it? No. They have all been advanced someway.

Aesjos
April 21st, 2011, 09:21 PM
For that i would say a definite NO.

The Alterans spent the best part of 100 million years evolving to the point of Ascension.

How the hell are we so special we manage it in less than 1 million?

Barring Daniels help and Mckays super steroid beam.

N.C

Ancients contributed directly to the gene pool of humans in the Milky Way (after they abandoned Atlantis and became folks like Merlin) through mating so we would have more than 1 million years of advancement. Remember some people have the ancient technology gene, which they presumably would not have given to us when we were cave men.

Nth Chevron
April 22nd, 2011, 05:16 AM
Yes but all that means is we can use some of their tech which may have been an intended inoculation for the future by Merlin or Janus and his time jumper.

What i am saying is, if we were interbred with these amazingly advanced biological specimens, why am i still using my hands to type this post and not sat in a a chair thinking what to type and it appears on a screen the width of a human hair?

Besides, Merlin himself said that we couldnt have advanced enough to ascend in just 2000 years, without help.

SG1 The Quest pt 2

N.C

garhkal
April 22nd, 2011, 11:49 PM
True dat.. though he was wrong with Danny boy!

eonflux
April 23rd, 2011, 03:50 PM
For one, the Planet Builders were encountered in a different galaxy.

Do you honestly think that people who can build a sun and a planet would have trouble traversing space?

Nth Chevron
April 23rd, 2011, 08:24 PM
Why are we so sure the Faith aliens have something to do with this?

I havent seen any evidence in the episode, only speculation and shadows pertaining to them.

N.C