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nickblack2010
April 19th, 2011, 11:30 AM
Being it was made obvious that dialing Destiny from the Langaran home world would have been a success.....maybe in the future it was planned to actually have a supply line. The thing is, if they had a supply line, they could bring a ZPM or two aboard Destiny then be able to gate back to earth. Then they could outfit the whole ship with other Ancient and Asgard upgrades.....then Destiny would truly be a beast.

dvdrts
April 19th, 2011, 11:33 AM
i agree with all of that except the gating back to earth part.

MathiasE
April 19th, 2011, 12:05 PM
Yeah.. or no..
1 or 2 ZPMs would most likely not produce enough energy to dial back to earth, if it was that simple they wouldn't need a Naquadria enriched planet in order to dial Destiny in the first place.
Maybe if they could get their hands on a few dozen ZPMs and hook them all up to the gate they might get a oneshot deal out of it, or if they could build a new arcturus device onboard Destiny.. ;)

Mr Evil 37
April 19th, 2011, 12:26 PM
Firstly, as others have said, I doubt the ZPMs could produce enough power to dial the ninth chevron to Earth, and even if they could, I doubt they are compatible with Destiny's technology.

nickblack2010
April 19th, 2011, 01:09 PM
Yeah.. or no..
1 or 2 ZPMs would most likely not produce enough energy to dial back to earth, if it was that simple they wouldn't need a Naquadria enriched planet in order to dial Destiny in the first place.
Maybe if they could get their hands on a few dozen ZPMs and hook them all up to the gate they might get a oneshot deal out of it, or if they could build a new arcturus device onboard Destiny.. ;)

True about the ZPMs. That was a dumb one on my part ha ha. So they could go build some replicators on Atlantis specifically for building ZPMs and after they built about 30, they could ditch the replicators ha ha

KEK
April 19th, 2011, 01:25 PM
They should definitely go for the tinted windows.

garhkal
April 19th, 2011, 03:16 PM
Na.. Fluffy dice for the bridge!

Shadow_7
April 19th, 2011, 03:21 PM
Did they even have manufacture abilities in terms of asgard upgrades? It seemed like only the ships outfitted with an asgard core had those beam weapons. They had all the database, but not the manufacturing tech AFAIK. A fleet of drones would probably help with the AI drones.

Otherwise I doubt there's enough known and fully charged ZPMs in the gate world to do the cross universe bridge. Even the super power thing that blew up a solar system near Atlantis wouldn't suffice IMO. Otherwise most of the repairs and acquisitions BITD was let the ancients take over, or the replicators take it over, then steal it from them or inherit it. 304's and 302's are about the only advanced tech "produced" in past stargates. Everything else was basically salvage yard material and/or otherwise previously manufactured. With few exceptions. Earths, DHT. Generators. And other little things.

garhkal
April 19th, 2011, 05:51 PM
WE know the Appollo had them..

themeatcleaver
April 19th, 2011, 06:45 PM
1) i love the idea of asgard upgrades to Destiny. can you imagine having plasma cannons and beam weapons on that sucker??

2) how the hell dont we have the capability to manufacture zpm's yet? the asurans could do it in their version of Atlantis so the manufacturing tech should be there somewhere. *shrugs* i know i know it'd just make life too easy.

nickblack2010
April 19th, 2011, 07:09 PM
Did they even have manufacture abilities in terms of asgard upgrades? It seemed like only the ships outfitted with an asgard core had those beam weapons. They had all the database, but not the manufacturing tech AFAIK. A fleet of drones would probably help with the AI drones.

Otherwise I doubt there's enough known and fully charged ZPMs in the gate world to do the cross universe bridge. Even the super power thing that blew up a solar system near Atlantis wouldn't suffice IMO. Otherwise most of the repairs and acquisitions BITD was let the ancients take over, or the replicators take it over, then steal it from them or inherit it. 304's and 302's are about the only advanced tech "produced" in past stargates. Everything else was basically salvage yard material and/or otherwise previously manufactured. With few exceptions. Earths, DHT. Generators. And other little things.

Both the Apollo and the George Hammond were built after the extinction of the Asgard and they both were outfitted with all of the Asgard technology. So I imagine that they could fit it to the Destiny.

Pharaoh Atem
April 19th, 2011, 07:49 PM
with destiny's age and the amount of damage she's taken since 'Air" i highly doubt she can handle a ZPM without overloading all the systems

MathiasE
April 19th, 2011, 10:13 PM
1) i love the idea of asgard upgrades to Destiny. can you imagine having plasma cannons and beam weapons on that sucker??

2) how the hell dont we have the capability to manufacture zpm's yet? the asurans could do it in their version of Atlantis so the manufacturing tech should be there somewhere. *shrugs* i know i know it'd just make life too easy.

2. Considering the Asgard used Neutrino Ion Generators it stands to reason they hadn't mastered the ability to create ZPMs either and they had access to the ancients database a lot longer than we've had. So probably not something we can expect to manufacture in quite a while.

thekillman
April 19th, 2011, 10:48 PM
2. Considering the Asgard used Neutrino Ion Generators it stands to reason they hadn't mastered the ability to create ZPMs either and they had access to the ancients database a lot longer than we've had. So probably not something we can expect to manufacture in quite a while.

actually the NIG's were on the thousand (give or take) years old Beliskner class, we don't know what powered the O'neill class. nor do we know what the "Power core" in the oddy is

boyd22
April 19th, 2011, 11:21 PM
Did they even have manufacture abilities in terms of asgard upgrades? It seemed like only the ships outfitted with an asgard core had those beam weapons. They had all the database, but not the manufacturing tech AFAIK. A fleet of drones would probably help with the AI drones.

Otherwise I doubt there's enough known and fully charged ZPMs in the gate world to do the cross universe bridge. Even the super power thing that blew up a solar system near Atlantis wouldn't suffice IMO. Otherwise most of the repairs and acquisitions BITD was let the ancients take over, or the replicators take it over, then steal it from them or inherit it. 304's and 302's are about the only advanced tech "produced" in past stargates. Everything else was basically salvage yard material and/or otherwise previously manufactured. With few exceptions. Earths, DHT. Generators. And other little things.

The Asgard core was a one-off piece, exclusive to the Odyssey. As for other Asgard technology installed on the rest of the 304's, it's likely that the Asgard designed most of the technology in a way that it could be reproduced with Earth's current level of technology. Thats just my guess though.

As for upgrading the Destiny. If they ever had a 2 way connection back and forth to Earth, the time and resources would be better spent trying to get the ship back in shape. The ship is so fragile at this point that it's barely surviving small battles.

Aesop
April 19th, 2011, 11:41 PM
I'd rather just see them restore Destiny to 100%, back to it's hay-day.

nickblack2010
April 20th, 2011, 06:16 AM
I've been thinking and there is really two options for fully restoring Destiny:

1. Try to hunt down the aliens that restored the shuttle in "Visitation".

2. If they could get a supply line going into Destiny then they could build replicators on Atlantis and program them to repair ships. Then send them through to Destiny and allow them to fully repair the ship, then ditch the replicators so that they don't become a problem. That way, Destiny would be fully restored and could dial back to earth and upgrades could start!

Janus
April 20th, 2011, 09:05 AM
Oddly enough, I think that Wraith-tech might be the first step towards fixing Destiny. Remember that virus that infected Dr Keller ? (Wraith Hive in a Jar.) It completely grew over one of Atlantis" Towers.

But...if we could control that, then we could begin growing patches of Hive tissue over the hull breaches. Then they could re-pressurize sections of the ship, making repairs a LOT easier.

nickblack2010
April 20th, 2011, 02:41 PM
Oddly enough, I think that Wraith-tech might be the first step towards fixing Destiny. Remember that virus that infected Dr Keller ? (Wraith Hive in a Jar.) It completely grew over one of Atlantis" Towers.

But...if we could control that, then we could begin growing patches of Hive tissue over the hull breaches. Then they could re-pressurize sections of the ship, making repairs a LOT easier.

I guess that could work.....but why just patch the ship up when you could take the two options I gave and fully repair the ship?

Something else I thought about today.....If they could ever fully restore Destiny to its full potential and open up two way gate travel to earth, the possibilities could be amazing. Not only could you make a lot of awesome upgrades to Destiny, you could bring through some help. Like I mean you could send through the materials to build some X-302's and send through some puddle jumpers. (I realize there is no way to the outside of the ship from the gate room, but they could gate to the nearest planet and fly back to the ship.) But coolest of all, they could build some kind of mobile manufacturing facility to build Daedalus Class ships to fight along side Destiny. The possibilities are endless!!

Gosh I hope that somehow the series can continue.........the future of this show could be unimaginably awesome

traylormatt
April 20th, 2011, 02:50 PM
with destiny's age and the amount of damage she's taken since 'Air" i highly doubt she can handle a ZPM without overloading all the systems

I think that maybe they could use the ZPM as a stable power source seperate to the main power source, feeding as much energy as needed. So not just pump it straight to 100%, but do something similar to dialing in a star. Feed it with as much power as needed to dial in a controled way, if you get me. Using the current system as a kind of buffer.

Also to everyone saying that a couple of ZPMs would not be enough. I can't understand your logic. At one point wasn't it said they hold enough power to blow up a solar system? obviously the explosive power of the icarus type planets was not enough to do this i don't believe, and though I know power generated is not equal to the blast created when they do blow, there is still some corrorlation. So surely something that can blast a solar system to pieces, doubled or trippled, could produce something similar to the power of a sun (based on being able to draw enough power from the sun to dial) or similar to naquadah planets.

nickblack2010
April 20th, 2011, 02:52 PM
I think that maybe they could use the ZPM as a stable power source seperate to the main power source, feeding as much energy as needed. So not just pump it straight to 100%, but do something similar to dialing in a star. Feed it with as much power as needed to dial in a controled way, if you get me. Using the current system as a kind of buffer.

Also to everyone saying that a couple of ZPMs would not be enough. I can't understand your logic. At one point wasn't it said they hold enough power to blow up a solar system? obviously the explosive power of the icarus type planets was not enough to do this i don't believe, and though I know power generated is not equal to the blast created when they do blow, there is still some corrorlation. So surely something that can blast a solar system to pieces, doubled or trippled, could produce something similar to the power of a sun (based on being able to draw enough power from the sun to dial) or similar to naquadah planets.

I agree....good way to put it!

garhkal
April 20th, 2011, 06:47 PM
1) i love the idea of asgard upgrades to Destiny. can you imagine having plasma cannons and beam weapons on that sucker??

2) how the hell dont we have the capability to manufacture zpm's yet? the asurans could do it in their version of Atlantis so the manufacturing tech should be there somewhere. *shrugs* i know i know it'd just make life too easy.

And Asuras blew up to heck..
As for how we don't have the capability..
1) Do we even know how they are made?
2) do we have access to tech to make said subspace zone?


2. Considering the Asgard used Neutrino Ion Generators it stands to reason they hadn't mastered the ability to create ZPMs either and they had access to the ancients database a lot longer than we've had. So probably not something we can expect to manufacture in quite a while.

Very true..


2. If they could get a supply line going into Destiny then they could build replicators on Atlantis and program them to repair ships. Then send them through to Destiny and allow them to fully repair the ship, then ditch the replicators so that they don't become a problem. That way, Destiny would be fully restored and could dial back to earth and upgrades could start!

BAD idea.. we saw how that worked out with the reps created in AoT. As well as those on earth (that chick and dude who were made)..

nickblack2010
April 21st, 2011, 05:37 AM
BAD idea.. we saw how that worked out with the reps created in AoT. As well as those on earth (that chick and dude who were made)..

That is true but as we have seen, when McKay does the programming, they work a lot better. Remember F.R.A.N in "Be All My Sins Remember'd"? She worked exactly the way he programmed her too.

garhkal
April 21st, 2011, 02:55 PM
He also did the programming for that girl earlier.. See how that worked.

nickblack2010
April 21st, 2011, 08:33 PM
Which girl?

Aesjos
April 21st, 2011, 08:41 PM
1) i love the idea of asgard upgrades to Destiny. can you imagine having plasma cannons and beam weapons on that sucker??

2) how the hell dont we have the capability to manufacture zpm's yet? the asurans could do it in their version of Atlantis so the manufacturing tech should be there somewhere. *shrugs* i know i know it'd just make life too easy.

There's a reason they don't make nuclear weapons in down town cities, its the same reason you wouldn't make ZPMs in flying space ship city. One little thing goes wrong and you've wiped out millennia of work and millions of people with a ZPM... I doubt an Ancient would have considered even taking a ZPM through a stargate since the time when half of the containment isn't really there would destabilise it.

garhkal
April 22nd, 2011, 10:31 PM
Which girl?

The one who was sick, in Mccay and Mrs Miller.

nickblack2010
April 23rd, 2011, 09:30 AM
The one who was sick, in Mccay and Mrs Miller.

Yes but those were just nanites. And they did exactly what McCay programmed them to do, repair the girls physical body. He just didn't realize that it was going to shut down the girls body. But those nanites and F.R.A.N did exactly what he programmed them to do.

garhkal
April 23rd, 2011, 04:22 PM
I'll give you that.
BUT still there were unintended concequences, cause we still don't know all about their programming.

nickblack2010
April 23rd, 2011, 06:05 PM
Agreed

nickblack2010
April 23rd, 2011, 06:09 PM
There's a reason they don't make nuclear weapons in down town cities, its the same reason you wouldn't make ZPMs in flying space ship city. One little thing goes wrong and you've wiped out millennia of work and millions of people with a ZPM... I doubt an Ancient would have considered even taking a ZPM through a stargate since the time when half of the containment isn't really there would destabilise it.

Ok, I agree that you might not want to create a ZPM on Atlantis, but what I believe that themeatcleaver was saying is that the technology or the information on how to create ZPMs has to be there. Also, I don't see how there would be anything wrong with taking a ZPM through a stargate. They beamed ZPM's up and down from the Daedalus on multiple occasions and that beaming technology practically does the same thing as the gate.

JamesPeterson
April 23rd, 2011, 09:46 PM
Ok, I agree that you might not want to create a ZPM on Atlantis, but what I believe that themeatcleaver was saying is that the technology or the information on how to create ZPMs has to be there. Also, I don't see how there would be anything wrong with taking a ZPM through a stargate. They beamed ZPM's up and down from the Daedalus on multiple occasions and that beaming technology practically does the same thing as the gate.

We've already seen one come through a stargaze anyway, when Camulus brought the tainted one to Stargate Command in Season 8.

s09119
April 24th, 2011, 09:16 AM
We've already seen one come through a stargaze anyway, when Camulus brought the tainted one to Stargate Command in Season 8.

And the ones Lorne (?) brought back to Atlantis in "Enemy at the Gate."

Rylor
April 24th, 2011, 11:46 AM
We've already seen one come through a stargaze anyway, when Camulus brought the tainted one to Stargate Command in Season 8.

Ladon Radim also took a (depleted) ZPM through the gate off-screen in "Coup d'Etat".

garhkal
April 24th, 2011, 01:37 PM
Ok, I agree that you might not want to create a ZPM on Atlantis, but what I believe that themeatcleaver was saying is that the technology or the information on how to create ZPMs has to be there. Also, I don't see how there would be anything wrong with taking a ZPM through a stargate. They beamed ZPM's up and down from the Daedalus on multiple occasions and that beaming technology practically does the same thing as the gate.

The big kicker i see to WHY we have not learned much on ZPM's is that we still don't know what they were called by the ancients.

nickblack2010
September 16th, 2012, 10:40 PM
I believe what would be awesome would be to have a frequent enough supply line to Destiny that you could create a whole fleet of ships to escort Destiny.

Aesop
October 1st, 2012, 09:13 PM
It seems like the best option for reaching Destiny, rather than relying on a civilization like the Langaran's, would be to search out another uninhabited planet like the one Icarus was on and park Atlantis on its ocean (assuming it has one). From there, Earth can send the necessary resources to construct another drilling platform like the one on Lantea. The difference is, this platform wouldn't draw geothermal energy but rather energy from a Naquadriah core and subsequently channel that energy through an umbilical to Atlantis.

It seems ideal because Earth would immediately have a fully-equipped and defensible base that could dial Destiny. With the added power of the Naquadriah core, Atlantis' abilities would theoretically be bolstered exponentially, and in a worst-case scenario (which is far less likely thanks to McKay) Atlantis could depart into hyperspace to avoid destruction.

With regular access to a supply line, Earth could send Destiny's crew anything and everything they need. I would be interested to see them send shipments of raw materials for the repair robots to use to fix Destiny. Then of course there's the dire need of food and medical supplies plus ammunition and maybe even some additional tech to help with the day-to-day operations on board the ship as well as off-world (ship?) missions.

garhkal
October 2nd, 2012, 01:44 PM
And recreational stuff!

Aesop
October 3rd, 2012, 09:01 PM
And recreational stuff!

Yeah, true! We have to keep the crews spirits up!