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starg8fans
April 18th, 2011, 08:27 AM
I figured I might not be the only one who has not read the books, and who is a bit overwhelmed by all these families and their relationships among each other. So I figured we could use a thread that provides an overview, and where you can post any questions you have about the characters.

Here's what I have so far. Feel free to add and/or correct. As I said, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this.

Robert Baratheon, King of Westeros. Took the throne from a Targaryan king, and almost wiped out that family since they were responsible for the death of his love, the sister of Ned Stark. Has a son called Joffrey, who is supposed to marry Ned Stark's older daughter. Married to Cersei.

Cersei from the Lannister family has a twin brother called Jaime she's having an incestuous relationship with, and another brother called Tyrion who's a dwarf.

The Lannisters are said to have killed the 'Hand of the King' Jon Arryn, who was married to the sister of Ned Stark's wife Catelyn from the Tully family. They have a son.

Ned and Catelyn Stark have five children, three sons (one of them called Bran) and two daughters, Sansa (who is supposed to marry the King's son) and Arya, who's a real tomboy. Ned also has an illegitimate son called Jon Snow, who lives in his household. Ned has a brother called Benjen who is a member (or even the leader?) of the Night's Watch that guards the wall to the North.

Viserys Targaryen wants to re-take the throne from Robert. To raise an army, he marries off his sister Daenerys to Khal Drogo, lord of a nomadic Dothraki tribe of horsemen.

MattSilver 3k
April 18th, 2011, 08:30 AM
Ned and Catelyn's oldest is named Robb, and the youngest boy is named Rickon - though knowledge of the latter has come from the pre-release info I checked, but I think the former's was mentioned in the episode itself.

But yeah, good job summarising the basics.

EDIT: Also, I'd recommend we work on a picture to character guide.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 18th, 2011, 08:46 AM
Good work so far. :) Shall we have a seperate picture to character guide thread or shall I post in here?

magictrick
April 18th, 2011, 08:50 AM
Good work so far. :) Shall we have a seperate picture to character guide thread or shall I post in here?

I was thinking of doing one with character pictures and split up based on which House they belong to. But that's going to take a bit of time.

Good summary so far after one episode. There's an overwhelming amount of characters introduced with more to come!

starg8fans
April 18th, 2011, 10:26 AM
Good work so far. :) Shall we have a seperate picture to character guide thread or shall I post in here?

Unless you want your own thread, go right ahead. Pictures would be very helpful.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 18th, 2011, 11:19 AM
Unless you want your own thread, go right ahead. Pictures would be very helpful.

Righto here are some of the major characters then, I'll start with the 3 Night Watch Rangers in the prologue and the Stark Household and it's retainers.

Ser Waymar Royce, member of the Night's Watch played by Rob Ostlere
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302143927/gameofthrones/images/thumb/5/57/Waymar_Royce.jpg/250px-Waymar_Royce.jpg

Will, a member of the Night's Watch played by Bronson Webb
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302144341/gameofthrones/images/thumb/4/46/Will.jpg/250px-Will.jpg

Gared, a member of the Night's Watch played Dermot Keaney.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302120639/gameofthrones/images/thumb/4/45/Gared.jpg/250px-Gared.jpg

Lord Eddard Stark played by Sean Bean
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110315133746/gameofthrones/images/thumb/6/63/Eddard_and_Jon.jpg/300px-Eddard_and_Jon.jpg

His Wife Catelyn Stark, played by Michelle Fairley
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110108215153/gameofthrones/images/thumb/6/67/Catelyn_Stark.jpg/250px-Catelyn_Stark.jpg

Robb Stark, their eldest son, and heir, played by Richard Madden
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302140528/gameofthrones/images/thumb/e/e4/Robb_Stark.jpg/300px-Robb_Stark.jpg

Sansa Stark, the eldest Daughter, played by Sophia Turner
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110318201957/gameofthrones/images/thumb/1/1f/Sansa_Stark.jpg/200px-Sansa_Stark.jpg

Arya Stark, played by Maisie Williams
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110211100540/gameofthrones/images/thumb/1/12/Arya_with_a_knife.jpg/250px-Arya_with_a_knife.jpg

Bran Stark (the boy with the bow in the pic) played by Isaac Hempstead-Wright
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101128160421/gameofthrones/images/thumb/4/42/Jon_and_Bran.jpg/250px-Jon_and_Bran.jpg

Rickon Stark, the youngest child played by Art Parkinson
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110314204261/gameofthrones/images/thumb/e/e3/Rickon_Stark.jpg/200px-Rickon_Stark.jpg

Eddard Stark's illegitimate son, Jon Snow, played by Kit Harington
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110411002031/gameofthrones/images/thumb/a/af/Jon_Snow.jpg/350px-Jon_Snow.jpg

Benjen Stark, (on the right) First Ranger in the Night's Watch and younger brother to Eddard Stark played by Joseph Mawle
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302115157/gameofthrones/images/thumb/0/0f/Benjen_Stark.jpg/300px-Benjen_Stark.jpg

Theon Greyjoy, Ward of Eddard Stark, played by Alfie Allen
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110318200122/gameofthrones/images/thumb/5/5d/Theon_Greyjoy_bow.jpg/250px-Theon_Greyjoy_bow.jpg

Ser Rodrik Cassel, Master at Arms at Winterfell, played by Ron Donachie
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302141305/gameofthrones/images/thumb/5/57/Rodrik_Cassel.jpg/200px-Rodrik_Cassel.jpg

Jory Cassel, nephew of Ser Rodrik, and Captain of the Stark Household Guards played by Jamie Sives
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302132111/gameofthrones/images/thumb/3/31/Jory_Cassel.jpg/250px-Jory_Cassel.jpg

Maester Luwin played by Donald Sumpter
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110302133540/gameofthrones/images/thumb/5/53/Luwin.jpg/200px-Luwin.jpg

Old Nan played by Margaret John
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110316185434/gameofthrones/images/thumb/f/f7/Old_Nan.jpg/300px-Old_Nan.jpg

Hodor (the big guy in the pic) a stable boy played by Kristian Nairn
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110411070002/gameofthrones/images/thumb/d/dd/Hodor.jpg/180px-Hodor.jpg
I've included some of the more minor characters such as Old Nan and Hodor for completeness, and they were glimpsed in the scene where the King arrives. They'll come to prominence in later episodes. If anyone else wants to do similar posts for groups like the Lannisters, feel free, I shall be away for a few days and with limited internet access, but I'll try and add in more posts with other characters later on if I can.

DigiFluid
April 18th, 2011, 12:52 PM
HBO's handy dandy official guide to the houses can be found here (http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/#!/guide/houses/) :)

_WraithQueen_
April 18th, 2011, 02:17 PM
There is also a guide here (http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Game-of-Thrones-Houses-infographic-Westeros-101-f.jpg) showing how people are connected.

starg8fans
April 18th, 2011, 02:30 PM
Righto here are some of the major characters then, I'll start with the 3 Night Watch Rangers in the prologue and the Stark Household and it's retainers.

<snipped for length>

I've included some of the more minor characters such as Old Nan and Hodor for completeness, and they were glimpsed in the scene where the King arrives. They'll come to prominence in later episodes. If anyone else wants to do similar posts for groups like the Lannisters, feel free, I shall be away for a few days and with limited internet access, but I'll try and add in more posts with other characters later on if I can.

Wow, great work, thanks! I look forward to finding out how those people we haven't really met yet come into the story.

I'll be gone the second half of this week and all of next week as well, so no rush where I'm concerned.


HBO's handy dandy official guide to the houses can be found here (http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/#!/guide/houses/) :)

Of course there are plenty of existing resources, but I started this thread mainly for newbies, where we can introduce the characters as they appear on the show so you're not overwhelmed.

I just remembered another character. The guy who gave the books to Deanerys at her wedding introduced himself as Ser Jorah (sp?) Mormont from Bear Island. He said he served her father, which is strange, because according to the viewer's guide (yes, I did check it out, and thanks for the tip!) his house is allied to the Starks, who are on the current king's side. He may be a spy, because when he said he would always serve 'the rightful king' it was a bit ambiguous.

The Mighty 6 platoon
April 18th, 2011, 02:40 PM
I just remembered another character. The guy who gave the books to Deanerys at her wedding introduced himself as Ser Jorah (sp?) Mormont from Bear Island. He said he served her father, which is strange, because according to the viewer's guide (yes, I did check it out, and thanks for the tip!) his house is allied to the Starks, who are on the current king's side. He may be a spy, because when he said he would always serve 'the rightful king' it was a bit ambiguous.

All the Houses, including the Stark's and the Baratheon's were under Targaryen rule, prior to Robert's Rebellion. So yes, he did serve under Daenery's father, but then technically so did Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon before they killed the previous King. :P

Jorah Mormont himself is really buttering up Viserys, without wanting to spoil too much
he's not an exile because of any loyalty to the Targaryens

DigiFluid
April 18th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Of course there are plenty of existing resources, but I started this thread mainly for newbies, where we can introduce the characters as they appear on the show so you're not overwhelmed.

Yup, and what better place to post HBO's own character guide? :)

magictrick
April 18th, 2011, 03:27 PM
All the Houses, including the Stark's and the Baratheon's were under Targaryen rule, prior to Robert's Rebellion. So yes, he did serve under Daenery's father, but then technically so did Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon before they killed the previous King. :P

Speaking of that I'm surprised that they didn't mention the fact that.
Jaime is known as the "Kingslayer" for killing the previous king

I guess all in due time.

Thanks for the posts and linkage to the HBO site, those breakdowns are really useful. Even reading the books you lose track of characters because there are so many!

Andron
April 18th, 2011, 03:36 PM
Speaking of that I'm surprised that they didn't mention the fact that.
Jaime is known as the "Kingslayer" for killing the previous king

I guess all in due time.

I know from the trailers and behind-the-scenes videos that Jaimie's infamous title will be mentioned and discussed once they are in King's Landing


Thanks for the posts and linkage to the HBO site, those breakdowns are really useful. Even reading the books you lose track of characters because there are so many!

The best source for everything, including all the characters, about the TV series in winter-is-coming.net
Another great source is towerofthehand.com , though I wouldn't recommend the site to those who haven't at least read the first book. They a great selection option (for spoilers) for information about the characters, families, locations and the history of the aSoIaF series which can be adjusted by each book.

maxbo
April 21st, 2011, 03:15 AM
Thanks for starting this thread. It's like one-stop shopping for newbies. :)

dragongirl
April 27th, 2011, 01:41 PM
I just remembered another character. The guy who gave the books to Deanerys at her wedding introduced himself as Ser Jorah (sp?) Mormont from Bear Island. He said he served her father, which is strange, because according to the viewer's guide (yes, I did check it out, and thanks for the tip!) his house is allied to the Starks, who are on the current king's side. He may be a spy, because when he said he would always serve 'the rightful king' it was a bit ambiguous.

They answered the question in the 2nd ep He will be beheaded by Eddard Stark if he is caught in the 7 kingdoms. For selling a man to slavers

starg8fans
May 4th, 2011, 01:57 AM
Thanks for starting this thread. It's like one-stop shopping for newbies. :)

I'm a newbie myself, so this thread is rather self-serving. ;) Also, those other threads and forums mentioned here are great, but for once I don't want to be spoilered, so I tend to stay away.


They answered the question in the 2nd ep He will be beheaded by Eddard Stark if he is caught in the 7 kingdoms. For selling a man to slavers

<Edit> Corrected all the names from my earlier version, after a little help from my friends here.

Ah, thanks for that. It was also mentioned in ep 3, IIRC.

Mighty6 gave us the Winterfell characters, so I thought I'd do the same for King's Landing. I'll need help with some of the names, though. Either I don't pay enough attention, or they really don't mention them that prominently on the show. I'll start with the ruling family, or rather families.

So, there's King Robert Baratheon. Was in love with Ned Stark's sister, but she was killed under the Targaryen 'Mad King', so Robert led a rebellion and usurped the throne. Lives a life of debauchery that has led to enormous debts, most of them to the Lannisters.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/KingRobert.jpg

And then the Lannisters. Queen Cersei. The Ice Maiden, considers everybody outside her own family an enemy.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/QueenCersei.jpg

Her twin brother Jaimie (sp?) who has an incestuous relationship with the Queen. Also called 'Kingslayer' since it was he who killed the 'Mad King'.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Jamie.jpg

And their other brother, Tyrion, the imp. Easily the most colorful character on the show.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Tyrion.jpg

The oldest son Joffry. A bully and a coward. Is supposed to marry Ned Stark's oldest daughter.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Joffry.jpg

There are two more children Myracella and Tommen.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Daughter.jpg http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Son.jpg

Then there's the 'small council'. There's King Robert's brother Renly.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/KingsBrother.jpg

Lord Varis - his specialty is information, and his spies are everywhere.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/LordValis.jpg

'Littlefinger' or Lord Petyr Baelish. Has a history with Cathlyn Stark, and runs several brothels.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Littlefinger.jpg

And the 'grand meister', Pycelle. My guess is that he's not as forgetful as he claims.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/GrandMeister.jpg

MattSilver 3k
May 4th, 2011, 03:35 AM
It's Robert Baratheon, the kids are Myracella (Girl) and Tommen (Boy), Robert's brother is Renly, Littlefinger is Lord Petyr Baelish, and the Grand Maester is Pycelle.

But you've forgotten the most important character of them. SYRIO FOREL.

http://i.cdn.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/character/syrio-forel-160.jpg

It's okay. Syrio Forel is forgiving.

Also, he was first sword to the Sealord of Bravos, one of the free countries or whatever, and is totally awesome.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 4th, 2011, 03:52 AM
Nice work starg8fans, just two corrections, King Roberts brother is Renly, while Littlefinger's real name is Petyr Baelish.

Unfortunately as I struggle to finish up a dissertation, I don't really have time to do big lists of characters at the moment, so thanks for doing my work for me. :P

One thing I will quickly post though is a interesting little character connection people might have missed. Jorah Mormont, the Knight exiled for slave trading and companion to Daenerys Targaryen.
http://www.scifiupdates.com/main/images/stories/automatic/0/ser_jorah_mormont.jpg

He mentioned his father being alive. I'm not sure if all viewers picked up on this, but we actually see his father on the show, this guy, Jeor Mormont,
http://www.theironthrone.it/it/images/stories/attori/jeor.jpg

who is commander of the Nights Watch.

starg8fans
May 4th, 2011, 06:22 AM
It's Robert Baratheon, the kids are Myracella (Girl) and Tommen (Boy), Robert's brother is Renly, Littlefinger is Lord Petyr Baelish, and the Grand Maester is Pycelle.

But you've forgotten the most important character of them. SYRIO FOREL.

http://i.cdn.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/character/syrio-forel-160.jpg

It's okay. Syrio Forel is forgiving.

Also, he was first sword to the Sealord of Bravos, one of the free countries or whatever, and is totally awesome.

Thanks for this, I'll correct the names in my earlier post so as not to confuse anybody. It's tricky with the spelling if you've only heard the names said on the show.

Well, I said I was going to start with the 'ruling family', that city is a bit overwhelming at first. But thanks for adding this guy, I don't even think his name was mentioned on the show. And while we're at it, it seems there are not that many other characters for King's Landing. There's The Hound - is he some kind of watchdog for the prince? From what I've read on some pages he seems to play a much bigger role in the books.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Hound.jpg http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/HoundHelmet.jpg

Then there was that other Lannister, the one with the funny name - Lansel or something, who served Robert wine.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Lansal.jpg

And finally the guy who greeted Ned when he arrived. Not sure if he's of any importance, but here he is.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/Greeter.jpg


Nice work starg8fans, just two corrections, King Roberts brother is Renly, while Littlefinger's real name is Petyr Baelish.

Unfortunately as I struggle to finish up a dissertation, I don't really have time to do big lists of characters at the moment, so thanks for doing my work for me. :P

Thanks for this - and good luck with your dissertation! I just found out that I lost my job, so I have some time on my hands until I find something else. Having more time to spend here is the proverbial silver lining, I guess.


One thing I will quickly post though is a interesting little character connection people might have missed. Jorah Mormont, the Knight exiled for slave trading and companion to Daenerys Targaryen.
http://www.scifiupdates.com/main/images/stories/automatic/0/ser_jorah_mormont.jpg

He mentioned his father being alive. I'm not sure if all viewers picked up on this, but we actually see his father on the show, this guy, Jeor Mormont,
http://www.theironthrone.it/it/images/stories/attori/jeor.jpg

who is commander of the Nights Watch.

THAT'S where I'd heard the name Mormont before, thank you. Plenty more groups for you to introduce when you have more time. We still need the Targaryens, the Dothraki, the Night's Watch, and whatever other families we'll meet over time...

Ser Scot A Ellison
May 4th, 2011, 02:00 PM
starg8fans,


Viserys Targaryen wants to re-take the throne from Robert. To raise an army, he marries off his sister Daenerys to Khal Drogo, lord of the nomadic Dothraki tribe of horsemen. [emphasis added]

No. Khal Drogo is not the lord of all the Dothraki. He's lord of one of many Khalasars. When two Khalasars meet, all hell breaks loose.


So, there's King Robert Baratheon. Was in love with Ned Stark's sister, but she was killed under the Targaryen 'Mad King', so Robert led a rebellion and usurped the throne.

Muwahhahahahahahahahahaahahahah: Big spoiler, huge, but not true with certianty:

R+L=J

starg8fans
May 4th, 2011, 03:22 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I couldn't quote you because I didn't want to see the spoiler. I'm a total newbie myself, so I'm just saying things as I understand them from what I've seen so far. Feel free to point out where I went wrong. In any case, I changed my post at the top to say 'lord of a nomadic Dothraki tribe'. I hope that's more accurate.

Ser Scot A Ellison
May 5th, 2011, 05:42 AM
Starg8fans,

Perfect, well not perfect, but close enough for government work.

starg8fans
May 5th, 2011, 06:34 AM
Starg8fans,

Perfect, well not perfect, but close enough for government work.

Okay, this is scary. Have you just red Medusa by Clive Cussler as well?

Ser Scot A Ellison
May 5th, 2011, 07:04 AM
Starg8fans,

Nope. I've never read Clive Cussler. Just heard that expression somewhere.

:)

starg8fans
May 5th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Starg8fans,

Nope. I've never read Clive Cussler. Just heard that expression somewhere.

:)

Oh, okay, because I just read it in that book. Duplicity of events, I guess.

And it has just come to my attention that another character we saw briefly in King's Landing has quite a bit of backstory and may become important later on - the old man without a tongue Sansa met in the street:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/starg8fans/Game%20of%20Thrones/IlynPayne.jpg

He's Ser Ilyn Payne, the 'King's Justice'.

I also heard that Jamie's a member of the elite Kingsguard. Is that right? Can I add that to his picture above?

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 5th, 2011, 11:54 AM
Jaime is indeed a member of the Kingsguard, the fact that he's often seen guarding the King should be a clue. :D And he guarded the last King as well, right up to the infamous stabbing incident. :P

magictrick
May 5th, 2011, 12:00 PM
How safe must the king feel, being guarded by someone nicknamed "Kingslayer" :P

starg8fans
May 5th, 2011, 12:24 PM
Jaime is indeed a member of the Kingsguard, the fact that he's often seen guarding the King should be a clue. :D And he guarded the last King as well, right up to the infamous stabbing incident. :P

And I guess that's what the armor signifies he was wearing in the latest episode? As did the other guy in the King's chamber?


How safe must the king feel, being guarded by someone nicknamed "Kingslayer" :P

Good point.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 5th, 2011, 01:38 PM
And I guess that's what the armor signifies he was wearing in the latest episode? As did the other guy in the King's chamber?

Yeah that's Kingsguard armour. And the older guy in the same amour who you saw talking to Robert is Ser Barristan Selmy, who is Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.

The Mighty 6 platoon
May 11th, 2011, 09:07 AM
Here's a link to an enormous chart of the various characters and their relationships with each other.

Also comes with a handy map which details the locations of the events shown in the episodes thus far.
http://hauteslides.com/2011/05/game-of-thrones-infographic-illustrated-guide-to-houses-and-character-relationships/

Lahela
May 15th, 2011, 05:06 AM
Here's a link to an enormous chart of the various characters and their relationships with each other.

Also comes with a handy map which details the locations of the events shown in the episodes thus far.
http://hauteslides.com/2011/05/game-of-thrones-infographic-illustrated-guide-to-houses-and-character-relationships/

Wow! That's impressive!

mathpiglet
August 26th, 2011, 04:32 PM
And then there's Drogo...

31617

Gen. Chris
March 8th, 2012, 06:18 PM
I always forget that there's another son (with the black direwolf)..You only see him twice in the first season, I think.

Cold Fuzz
March 12th, 2012, 04:04 PM
I always forget that there's another son (with the black direwolf)..You only see him twice in the first season, I think.

Yep, that's Rickon with Shaggydog--the black direwolf.

Gen. Chris
March 12th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Without spoiling anything (if possible, if not just say), does he ever have a bigger purpose than being possibly the most obscure Stark around?

magictrick
March 13th, 2012, 02:22 PM
Without spoiling anything (if possible, if not just say), does he ever have a bigger purpose than being possibly the most obscure Stark around?

General answer to your question, though I've tagged it just in case.

He's only 5 or 6 years old (when the book starts he's 3) so the extent of what he can do is pretty limited.

Gen. Chris
March 13th, 2012, 04:31 PM
General answer to your question, though I've tagged it just in case.

He's only 5 or 6 years old (when the book starts he's 3) so the extent of what he can do is pretty limited.

Ah so they aged him a bit.

I didn't know if, in the books, they jump years ahead at a time or not. I haven't read any of them yet.

VampyreWraith
March 13th, 2012, 04:45 PM
I think all the child characters(and probably some of the adults) have been aged up a bit from the books(probably by about 3 yrs). Bran is 7 at the beginning of the books, in the first ep, it's mentioned that he's 10. Robb and Jon are 14 almost 15 at the beginning of the books, on the series, I'd say they are both at least 17.Dany starts at 13 in the books, shes most likely at least 16 or 17 in the tv series.

Skydiver
March 13th, 2012, 07:08 PM
Rickon may have more in the future, but even in the books he's kinda on the fringes. I'm wondering if he's being 'saved' for the later books. (beyond dance with dragons)

some characters do seem to vanish for hundreds of pages.

as to the aging, it's probably production practicality, older kids are easier to work with. Also with Dany and Drogo...if she's 16ish then it removes the child molestation issue of her marriage to Drogo. In the book she's very clearly 14, but having her be 14 in the show could cause some issues.

Gen. Chris
March 13th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Rickon may have more in the future, but even in the books he's kinda on the fringes. I'm wondering if he's being 'saved' for the later books. (beyond dance with dragons)

some characters do seem to vanish for hundreds of pages.

as to the aging, it's probably production practicality, older kids are easier to work with. Also with Dany and Drogo...if she's 16ish then it removes the child molestation issue of her marriage to Drogo. In the book she's very clearly 14, but having her be 14 in the show could cause some issues.

Not only that, but older kids have much less "radical" transformations as they age...Aka, puberty. Take, for example, the difference between Tom Felton (Draco) during even the first and second HP movies...

VampyreWraith
March 13th, 2012, 08:14 PM
I like that they are older in the tv series. In a way, some of the stuff works better if they are older. Dany and Drogo's relationship isn't as skeevy(to me) with her being a bit older, same goes for some of the other relationships involving minors.
GRRM has also mentioned that he wished he'd made the kids older to start with in the books.

Gen. Chris
March 15th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Oh I remember something I have been wondering...

Does Bran really not remember his accident, or is he just afraid to tell? I can't remember...Or is it ever mentioned again? Just a simple yes or no would be fine :P

Gen. Chris
March 16th, 2012, 07:53 AM
One more question

I watched "The Kingsroad" last night, and I was thinking about it just a bit ago when a curious question hit me...

I'm not completely certain of the timeline of the series, book and show (nor am I willing to look one up in case of spoilers), so this may seem like a stupid question...Cersei was "consoling" Catelyn about Bran when she mentioned that her first son died in infancy. She described him as a "black haired beauty" and said he looked like his father, Robert. Since this child was born before Joffrey (14 I believe in the series) and it would make sense for there to be a fairly long period before Cersei would be willing to have children with "Robert" (as we all know, he is not the father of Cersei's 3 blonde children), an interesting question arises, at least for me...Is it possible that Jon is actually Robert's child? The history behind his birth, if I remember correctly, seems somewhat muddled. And, though I don't know when Robert and Cersei were married (again, unwilling to look it up for fear of any possible spoilers), it would seem to at least be a possibility, for Ned would have been with Robert at war at about that time period, and, for whatever reason, could have possibly ended up with the "dead" child, and have lied to Jon all these years about his true heritage. At the very least, the actors who play Jon and Robert look like they could be related, at least more-so than Ned and Jon...Whether that is a coincidence or not is beyond me.

Anyway, sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but I am curious...I don't need any more information on it other than a simple yes or no, or even "it's possible...".

VampyreWraith
March 16th, 2012, 10:00 AM
Oh I remember something I have been wondering...

Does Bran really not remember his accident, or is he just afraid to tell? I can't remember...Or is it ever mentioned again? Just a simple yes or no would be fine :P

As far as I can remember he really doesn't remember when he wakes up.

VampyreWraith
March 16th, 2012, 10:09 AM
One more question

I watched "The Kingsroad" last night, and I was thinking about it just a bit ago when a curious question hit me...

I'm not completely certain of the timeline of the series, book and show (nor am I willing to look one up in case of spoilers), so this may seem like a stupid question...Cersei was "consoling" Catelyn about Bran when she mentioned that her first son died in infancy. She described him as a "black haired beauty" and said he looked like his father, Robert. Since this child was born before Joffrey (14 I believe in the series) and it would make sense for there to be a fairly long period before Cersei would be willing to have children with "Robert" (as we all know, he is not the father of Cersei's 3 blonde children), an interesting question arises, at least for me...Is it possible that Jon is actually Robert's child? The history behind his birth, if I remember correctly, seems somewhat muddled. And, though I don't know when Robert and Cersei were married (again, unwilling to look it up for fear of any possible spoilers), it would seem to at least be a possibility, for Ned would have been with Robert at war at about that time period, and, for whatever reason, could have possibly ended up with the "dead" child, and have lied to Jon all these years about his true heritage. At the very least, the actors who play Jon and Robert look like they could be related, at least more-so than Ned and Jon...Whether that is a coincidence or not is beyond me.

Anyway, sorry if this seems like a stupid question, but I am curious...I don't need any more information on it other than a simple yes or no, or even "it's possible...".

It hasn't really been revealed yet in the books either, though I'm pretty sure it's not him. They didn't get married until after the war(from what I can remember). There are hints in the series that Lyanna(Ned's sister) was his mother and Raeghar(*the previous King's son and heir, the one who kidnapped Lyanna, was his father ) Thats pretty much the most popular theory anyway(and the one that I think is true). :)

Gen. Chris
March 16th, 2012, 12:16 PM
Okay...I'm not gonna open the spoilers though :P

I was just curious cause it seems like a decent enough theory...

VampyreWraith
March 16th, 2012, 12:48 PM
The stuff the spoiler tags was something that was hinted at since the first book but I don't remember it being as obviously hinted at during the show so far. Though there may may been a bit of hinting towards it during the convo between Robert and Ned, while they're on the way to King's Landing. I haven't rewatched that episode yet though, so I can't be sure.

I think he's is too old though, to have been that baby. I just looked it up to make sure, and they didn't get married until after the rebellion and in the books Cersei says that she aborted the child she knew to be Robert's instead of him dying just after he was born.

*Oh and I forgot to mention, several of the tv show characters have the wrong color hair/eyes(based on how they are described in the books). I loved Sean Bean as Ned, and I now picture him as Ned whenever I think of the character, but his hair should have been darker. I don't mind or anything though, I'd rather have good actors with the wrong color eyes/hair(contacts, wigs and hair dye aren't always practical), than not as good actors with the right coloring.