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GateWorld
April 18th, 2011, 07:53 AM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 319</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">No Sanctuary in sight, Helen and Will find themselves as neighbors on a tree-lined suburban street, living lives neither of them fully recognizes. <I>(SPACE)</I></DIV>
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Mandysg1
June 13th, 2011, 08:29 PM
Well it was...interesting, not a bad episode, with the two intersecting realities.
So just some thoughts...
-Liked Helen's cat Henry :P
-Even in her perfect life, Helen still has problems with John.
-Was interesting Helen and John not having a child, yet the memory coming through bringing her back to reality
-Her paintings were a clue to what was happening, if you could guess right :s
- :lol: at Helen offering Will coffee :p
- Nice intense scenes as they would wake up in the tanks, (boy Damian likes putting them in water) :P
-Giant mind controlling worms :eek:

Now for Will...
-Married and expecting a baby with Abby, I guess that would be his perfect life, having a family.
-His impersonations were a bit annoying.
-Funny he was still a doctor, yet not a psychiatrist
-was funny how Will couldn't do anything when Abby collapsed, yet Helen's training came through.

So it was a set up for next weeks season's ending

Abnormals coming up to the surface :eek:

KayLyne
June 13th, 2011, 08:38 PM
A little Will Zimmerman on the way? Oy! This is definitely a nightmare episode! Abby wasn’t quite as annoying in this type of setting – especially when she was at Helen’s house without Will. But I grew really sick of the Will/Abby fantasy life.

On the other hand – there’s Helen Druitt (*swoon*), the ‘Cat Lady’ across the street (with a cat named Henry! LOL) who’s a reclusive painter. It’s fun to see Magnus in this type of suburban setting with paintings and lots of colors throughout the house.

My shipper heart was gawping at the Helen/John scene. It was so great to see him in a suit and without the big scar across the cheek. I loved the way they played out the relationship between these two in that even in Helen’s fantasy there would still be no ‘happily ever after’ with them.

As the episode went on, I was really hoping for Henry, Kate & Biggie to appear – at least to give us a break from more nauseating Will/Abby.

I guess this is the Sanctuary version of SG1’s “the gamekeeper”. I really like how it turned out that instead of Magnus & Will being captured & tortured (which would be so cliché!) that they were being saved by Henry & Kate (where was Biggie?! Probably the only one left back at home to run the Sanctuary)

The car going off the cliff – that was SO Thelma & Louise! The only thing missing was having a convertible with the top down. (Was that Damian’s car again?)

As for some of the quotes:
- “This WILL sound crazy” (Duh! Of course it will ‘cause it’s Sanctuary!)
- “Please don’t have any more shortbread” Haha
- Helen offering coffee instead of tea? Anyone remember that was her clue in “Kush” that it wasn’t real?
- “Thing One & Thing Two” ROFL
- “I guess like everything, it’s a leap of faith” That seems to sum up the entire existence of this show.
- “Sanity ain’t cheap” LOL Now THAT’S an understatement!

Overall, a very enjoyable episode. A little too much Will/Abby, not enough Henry, Kate or Biggie, but lovely Helen and Helen/John moments to make this one of my favorites.

Dutchess
June 13th, 2011, 08:42 PM
I enjoyed this episode. I loved the reintroduction of hollow earth.Can't wait to see how they handle the surfacing of hollow earth abnormals.
I know every sanctuary episode is prone to having a happy ending, however, thia one seemed kind of rushed and unreal. Nevertheless, I was glad there was a lot more Helen, more of the old Will, and less of Kate and Henry (Henry is okay though). Their absence made the show less humorous though, but it was a much needed 'break' from the previous intense episodes.

suse
June 13th, 2011, 08:42 PM
I was wondering when one of the docs said something to Helen... I was thinking that it might be that they were trying to help them somehow. LOL A giant earthworm with infinity symbols.

suse
June 13th, 2011, 08:48 PM
The car going off the cliff – that was SO Thelma & Louise! The only thing missing was having a convertible with the top down. (Was that Damian’s car again?)

As for some of the quotes:
- “Thing One & Thing Two” ROFL


That Thing ! & Thing 2 might have been my clue that what was happening wasn't bad.

Huh. Underground in New Mexico. ... Hmmm.

Re:The car. I relatively certain that Helen's car was Amanda's and Will's car was Damian's.

meredithchandler73
June 13th, 2011, 09:13 PM
--After Helen and Will's first scene together I thought: Is Helen a loner in this "reality"? Or is she simply cool towards Will in particular because they have "neighbor issues" such as their pets invading each other's territory?
--The cat is named Henry! I would have totally figured Helen to be more of a cat person than a dog person.
--Really love the flashes of their real life that are being shown. Most seem to be from previous eps, but just now we definitely saw new clips - "Did you say something?" "I said, 'Long day.'"
--What is with the infinity symbol? Cool that they brought Virgil back.
--Helen looks AWESOME! As usual. :)
--Anxiety medication? is that supposed to be for the flahes she is having?
--AMAZING SCENE BETWEEN AMANDA AND CHRIS!!!! Love how Druitt factors into her life here. They were married and on the verge of divorcing. He still desperately loves her and will do anything to get her back. He acknowledges that it was his fault for their breakup. I kept wondering as I watched this, "Is this supposed to be Helen's fantasy?" I didn't catch the full headline in the newspaper, but I think it was something about Druitt putting away The Ripper, right? Is that what Helen wishes for deep down? That John would overcome his "Ripper side" (which is most likely just that energy being inhabiting his body) and have him just love her and want to make her happy?
--WOW! That speech from Helen about wanting to be left alone. No one clawing at her. No more life and death situations. (Hmmm…could this be some psychological trauma from having to kill hundreds of people in Carenten? No - it wouldn't be a shared alternate reality with Will.) But honestly - wouldn't Helen occasionally have these thoughts - of not wanting all this immense responsibility? She doesn't have to do nothing (she'd hate that) but she could be helping homeless people or something. (I suppose it would have been too on the nose for her to say something about helping orphans or building schools in Nepal.)
--I was wondering when we'd get the "aha!" moment. Will sees her artwork and realizes they are having the same nightmares.
--OK - if I wanted to get nitpicky, I'd say that there are problems with Will not knowing how to be a surgeon AT ALL and not really doing anything about it or saying anything to his wife. He's been going to work the last couple of days?!?!?!
--This episode could have been the perfect place to bring back Emilie as Ashley. Seriously. I mean, *if* this was really Helen's fantasy - what she wants deep down - I'd understand Helen not wanting to make life or death decisions anymore. But I think she would also want her daughter alive again.
--They actually did a Thelma & Louise and drove off the cliff. I seriously love this show!
--I had no idea where this episode was going to end and certainly didn't expect that Helen and Will were in those tanks to cure them.


My shipper heart was gawping at the Helen/John scene. It was so great to see him in a suit and without the big scar across the cheek. I loved the way they played out the relationship between these two in that even in Helen’s fantasy there would still be no ‘happily ever after’ with them.

--Yes - very interesting that even this fantasy, Helen doesn't see her and John ending up together.



As for some of the quotes:
- Helen offering coffee instead of tea? Anyone remember that was her clue in “Kush” that it wasn’t real?


--I liked the little coffee/tea exchange and I certainly *did* remember that was part of "Kush" and how Helen realized she wasn't actually talking to Will. Nice callback there.

I am super excited for next week's episode!!!

Rocky89
June 13th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Oh.... WHOA! Where do I start with this one? :D

Excellent episode. ;) Everything about it was brilliant, the acting, the directing, the effects, all of it. :D I love the twists and turns, and Sanctuary is always at it's best when you don't know what's going on, or what will happen next. Mystery is the key. ;) I loved the flashbacks to the eps, it was great to see some old clips, and like Wingman, it was like going down memory lane. :) Btw, what were those songs Helen was lisenting to? :) Oh, and I think Helen painting was an homage to how Amanda likes to paint. :)

Seeing Helen and Will like this was really cool, Amanda and Robin gave brilliant performances, and seeing Will in glasses reminded me of him in S1. Seeing Helen so connected to her emotions, Amanda did a great job of letting Helen cut loose, and not keeping all her emotions and feelings inside, especially the scene with John and her agent. :) Oh, and seeing the flashbacks of Ash were nice. :) It was great how Helen and Will started to put together their own clues, and then come together to solve the mystery. Helen and Abby, wow, that was a cute scene, and poor Helen just wanted to be left alone. :p I loved the scene where Helen and Will start putting together the pieces, and start to remember little things about each other, like Helen's last name, and how Will isn't that kind of doctor. The scene when they drove off the cliff was wicked, and the overhead effect was awesome. ;)

All this time I thought that dude from Hero 2 was the bad guy, but turns out he was actually trying to help, and I was glad to see Henry and Kate in the ep. When I saw that huge abnormal, I was like :eek: and I love the explanation behind the creature and what happened to them, and man, that ending gave me chills. :D Oh, and did anyone get the Smackdown reference? :p Overall, it was a solid episode, and I think it'll be a classic. ;)

PS: I was a little :eek: when Helen offered Will some coffee, and for some reason, I thought of Chelle again. :p

Galileo_Galilee
June 13th, 2011, 10:33 PM
I've never had a cat go poo on or in my car.

Ever.

I've found cat tracks on my car, but it's a simple thing to just wipe the dirt off.

And Will's not a cat person.

MissCheerfully
June 14th, 2011, 02:38 AM
..and what about Helen's iphone playlist??? I think it's originals songs for the show, like always, but there's maybe a chance, those songs are not from Andrew Lockington and we can find them ^^
At a moment we can see her Iphone and perhaps we can read the title of the song she's listening while sleeping. Otherwise we can try to understand the lyrics, but I can't get more than some words here and there.

Skydiver
June 14th, 2011, 04:13 AM
cats do not, in my experience, go poo on cars...they bury it if at all possible.

kes
June 14th, 2011, 04:30 AM
I've never had a cat go poo on or in my car.

Ever.

I've found cat tracks on my car, but it's a simple thing to just wipe the dirt off.

And Will's not a cat person.This is the weirdest thing that I've ever read. lol Totaly out of the blue :D


cats do not, in my experience, go poo on cars...they bury it if at all possible.
Indeed. They are very clean and like privacy. Cat was cute...laughed my a$$ off when she called him Henry lol
The way Will was holding him, he was begging to be "nailed".

Skydiver
June 14th, 2011, 04:36 AM
yeah, having had cats, you don't dangle their legs. they don't like that. no animal does. I know what he was thinking, keep the hair off my suit, but he should have supported both sets of legs and would have had a better time of it

Chelle DB
June 14th, 2011, 05:16 AM
cats do not, in my experience, go poo on cars...they bury it if at all possible.
They may not do #2 on cars but I know for a fact they do #1...smelly lillte buggers!! :P

I loved this ep...took forever to get to the end but wow...blue me away!! ;)
I absolutley loved Amanda's emotions she played out with CH...was almost torturous to watch.
Loved Will & Abby...it just felt nice to watch the together as perspective parents...very cute.
Loved the backyard of "Helens" house...the rocks were awesome...but that's just the landscaper in me. Loved the outdoor pizza oven!! :)
Funny, when I was watching I never got the feeling that the doctors treating Will & Helen were actually a threat...the only one I had a slight uneasy feeling about was Virgil but that's just coz the charcater is a bit of a weazle. :)The music was kinda funky...I'd love a cd of it to have as background music at our next family gathering...kinda like elevator music only a little more modern & calming. :)
The flashback scenes were great...very effective...sad to see Helen's reaction every time it was mentioned/asked if she had any children...just sad. :(
Lovbed the coffee/tea reference...and was waiting for Abby to reveal scones in her basket, not shortbread...but still...nice little moments that I enjoyed.
Was wondering if what Helen said she wanted was actually what she does want deep down inside or if it was all just part of the illusion...I wonder how many times she thought about having a simple life without the drama's of the Sanctuary. I don't doubt she would miss her role in the Sanctuary but I wonder how much she longs for a break from it all...I wonder if that was what she was telling herself in her "dream life"?
Loved this episode...fantastic job all round...Amanda continues to make my jaw drop but thankfully this week Robin made me smile...I truly did enjoy Will & Abby in this ep. :)

Chelle DB
June 14th, 2011, 05:18 AM
PS: I was a little :eek: when Helen offered Will some coffee, and for some reason, I thought of Chelle again. :p
Oh??? How so??? I can't drink more than one cup of coffee a day without some kinda of reaction so I enjoy my tea...a lot...especially the Lady Grey...omg...so yummy on these cold nights. :)...and so off topic...sorry. :)

parsifal
June 14th, 2011, 05:49 AM
..and what about Helen's iphone playlist??? I think it's originals songs for the show, like always, but there's maybe a chance, those songs are not from Andrew Lockington and we can find them ^^
At a moment we can see her Iphone and perhaps we can read the title of the song she's listening while sleeping. Otherwise we can try to understand the lyrics, but I can't get more than some words here and there.

I don't think we get a close enough look at the iPhone/iPod.

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Gatecat
June 14th, 2011, 06:20 AM
Really liked the episode. It was an unexpected turn in the end. First I also thought Virgil was on some kind of revenge trip.
I loled at Henry the cat, but I was glad the real one showed up in the end. :D
I loved Helen´s paintings, I was quite shocked when she overpainted them with that blue loop. :S
The car scene.... I really would like to watch that scene in an IMAX on a big screen. :rolleyes:
Plus, a lot of German cars in this episode, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, is this some kind of trend now overseas? Sorry if this is a stupid question :o

*wants some short bread now* :weiranime42:

meredithchandler73
June 14th, 2011, 06:25 AM
More thoughts on the episdoe:
--Amanda is such an AMAZING actress!!! I'm only partway through watching it a second time, but I am loving her portrayal of Helen in this "fake life" that she doesn't know isn't real.
--In general, I like the character of Abby. I liked her in this episode and the dynamic between her and Will. I think her..."goofiness" is sometimes cute and sometimes annoying. When I watched last night I thought, "She thought Helen was Scottish?!?!?!" OK, maybe that's not goofy - mistaking a British accent for a Scottish one. But there was also that Rumpelstiltskin comment (meaning to call Will Rip Van Winkle). I suppose goofy may be the wrong word. But those slips seem kind of ditzy to me.
--I don't why I so love how perfectly awkward the scene between Helen and Abby is! The dialogue and the pauses - all hit just the right tone.
--Trying to recall where a particular clip comes from. Will and Helen are across the street from each other. Will says under his breath, "Tough day" and you hear a gun being cocked, he looks up at Helen and she is suddenly dressed in black leather, holding a gun saying, "Sorry, did you say something?" and then there are two more clips of Helen firing a gun. They go SO fast but I believe the first one is from "Fata Morgana" and I just can't place the 2nd clip. Is it from a previous episode? Maybe it was filmed just for this flashback. It's kind of driving me crazy!
--Ha - freeze-framed Helen's anxiety medication. Prescribing doc - Dr. Lim! Also, you clearly see "Druitt, Helen" on the label.
--Druitt's letter of resignation that he shows to Helen: top left corner "Henry Foss, Assistant District Attorney"! And the letter is addressed to "Governor Adam Worth"!!! Well, Will did say all politicians are corrupt, didn't he? ;)
--Did I mention what an awesome actress Amanda is?!?! I wish we could have more scenes between Helen and John like this one! Every so often I stop and realize this is the same actress who was Samantha Carter for 11 years. I see none of Sam as I watch this scene. I LOVE AMANDA!!!

parsifal
June 14th, 2011, 06:47 AM
and I just can't place the 2nd clip. Is it from a previous episode? Maybe it was filmed just for this flashback. It's kind of driving me crazy!

It's from "Pax Romana". Helen shooting Adam.

kes
June 14th, 2011, 06:55 AM
yeah, having had cats, you don't dangle their legs. they don't like that. no animal does. I know what he was thinking, keep the hair off my suit, but he should have supported both sets of legs and would have had a better time of it

Yes, when he picked him up I was like: "Hold him against you" and then though: "Oh fur" LOL All he had to do was grab the legs. One hand holding the back legs and one underneath the front legs. But yeh, not a cat dude was the image they wanted to give so it was right lol



They may not do #2 on cars but I know for a fact they do #1...smelly lillte buggers!! :P

Male cats mark the territory, yes. But not on top of the car. Usually against the tires. And not in, unless they are stressed.




Plus, a lot of German cars in this episode, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, is this some kind of trend now overseas?

Ppl with money tend to have those cars. Druitt's Mercedes was awesome!

siles
June 14th, 2011, 07:52 AM
This episode reminded me at times of SGu's "Life": I'm sick of John/Helen and of perpetually pairing Helen and Will. Hope the ratings won't take a dive like they did on SGU after "Life"

Why weren't Helen and Will in restrains?

The pacing of this episode was so slow at times that I thought it was never going to end. this one is one of the most boring Sanctuary episodes ever, not even Amanda could save this one for me - in fact I noticed that I usually don't like episodes that don't involve Henry or Tesla in a big way... Maybe I should start a petition to make Henry and Tesla regulars and demote Will to recurring...

Ok, experimenting on Helen I could see that, but Will is a regular guy what kind of possible information could experimenting on him give to these guys?

PS CGI worse than ever in this episode.

I could have done away with 35 mins of exposition and just had a nice action episode with Hollow Earth creatures surfacing all over the Globe, but I guess they saved that one for the finale


Did you see the whole thing?

Nope, i was commenting as i watched it

Gate Ranger
June 14th, 2011, 08:08 AM
Henry the Cat? That was hilarous! The way Will was holding him :lol: The kitty did scratch him with a back claw. The eppy was great! Really enjoyed it. ;)

kes
June 14th, 2011, 08:55 AM
Ok, experimenting on Helen I could see that, but Will is a regular guy what kind of possible information could experimenting on him give to these guys?

PS CGI worse than ever in this episode.

Did you see the whole thing?

Gem of Tigress
June 14th, 2011, 09:20 AM
Really liked this eppy it had me on the edge of my seat the entire time and i never saw the "we did it to help you" thing coming, very well done. :) as for Henry the cat :lol: :D loved that scene!:D can't wait for the next one!:)

Kilgharrah
June 14th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Nice episode, but I don't like the episodes that are just a preparation for the idea of another.

Question: So what exactly did they do to them in lab after what the creature caused this? What did they do that caused them to wake up every once in a while as if it was a dream? And If they weren't in the lab, would they have lived after committing suicide.

Comments:1-Will, a surgeon?? Yeah right.
2-I hate both Will and abby, but they suit each other. They're both annoying.
3-I felt sorry for Helen in her alternate life. She's always suffering even in her dream world.

jckfan55
June 14th, 2011, 12:14 PM
I really liked this episode. Will seemed more himself. I thought RD did a good job in this ep. But the episode really came to life once Magnus appeared.

I loved seeing Helen the painter/cat lady. Prowling around at night seemed kind of like Magnus, but I loved how she became bored & restless--something was wrong.

The Druitt thing didn't work as well as it might have for me, but we'll see on a rewatch. I did like her surprising herself with the comment about life and death situations. Like "where did that come from?" but kind of subtle

I liked how Abby's medical crisis was a turning point for Helen & Will. Magnus really came to life then.

this was one episode I didn't mind focusing on Magnus and Will.

I thought it was paced pretty well--my only complaint was that it wrapped up a bit too quickly. They might have been able to trim 15-20 seconds from the dream world to do a more satisfactory wrap up.

majorsal
June 14th, 2011, 02:30 PM
i'm going to post without reading anyone's posts, so i'm prob asking q's that have already been a'ed :p


first, excellent ep! i really enjoyed this! ;)


main questions:

was this dreamscape a wish fulfillment on helen and wil's part, or maybe the opposite in some way (with helen saying about being married to the man she hates)?

so it looks like wil's dreamscape was part wish fulfillment, but helen's seems much more complicated. what john offered her was what she wants, somewhere in her heart, but she just knows it'll never be what it could, should be with john, so she rejects it. but i do think there's a part of her that wants out. powerful statements there in that little scene.

wil's does seem nice, but maybe he's rejecting it too, b/c he prefers the 'abnormal' life more?

or maybe it was all put into their minds as memories, to make them wait it out?


random:

amanda was amazing.

what was helen's cat's name? (henry?)

what was the music that helen was playing while she was painting?

oh, amanda was amazing.

the paper wil was reading said: 'feel like killing her co-worker? workplace study says it's ok.' :p

abby is so obnoxiously chipper and giddy. :S though she was sweet to care enough about helen to enquire about her life/paintings, ect.

~i've figured out how i want helen's curse/cure to be handled! her longevity curse is cured/stopped, and she decides to run an orphanage for abnormal children. she's mother to MANY motherless children now.~

loved helen's memory flash of ashley and 'mom'. :(

where was this filmed? i know a posh suburb of vancouver, but still... :p

what were helen's pills for? (something like lorazepan?) *looks up drug* it's to help relieve anxiety. :p

i wonder, with john's remark about the pills and 'back to last year'... i wonder if helen had really been taking them, maybe after ashley died?

the scene with helen and john... amanda was outstanding! guh... this woman!! *fangirling*

i liked seeing wil like this. i even liked the yuppie look more! :p but it was very nice to see the old wil, the one that used his special ability... in fact, when he was showing helen her paintings, and how he put them all together... i'd actually 'forgotten' that was his specialness, his main reason for being with the sanctuary!

oh... and the car going off the edge of that road... my NUMBER ONE fear!! :eek: *whimpers*


okay, help with the explanations of 1- was the dreamworld created by the monster or virgil? what 'was' virgil doing to help them? even after playing it over 2'ce, i'm still having trouble putting it together. :p

kes
June 14th, 2011, 03:09 PM
i'm going to post without reading anyone's posts, so i'm prob asking q's that have already been a'ed :p


first, excellent ep! i really enjoyed this! ;)


main questions:

was this dreamscape a wish fulfillment on helen and wil's part, or maybe the opposite in some way (with helen saying about being married to the man she hates)?

so it looks like wil's dreamscape was part wish fulfillment, but helen's seems much more complicated. what john offered her was what she wants, somewhere in her heart, but she just knows it'll never be what it could, should be with john, so she rejects it. but i do think there's a part of her that wants out. power statements there in that little scene.

wil's does seem nice, but maybe he's rejecting it too, b/c he prefers the 'abnormal' life more?

or maybe it was all put into their minds as memories, to make them wait it out?




Well the main dr/lab dude says something like "Its time to bring out the big guns" and then Druitt shows up. So maybe they were controling it somehow. And the memories did the rest.
Kate also says something like "You knew you guys would fight bliss so hard" or something like that. Making so the program creates some sort of perfect or some idea of it and maybe the person fills in the rest. Seeing as Helen almost married Druitt and I'm guessing he's the only one she came close to that it would be him.
And Will is dating Abby and its serious.

Dutchess
June 14th, 2011, 03:24 PM
I was wondering about this the moment the song started. I really liked it and thought the playlist was so in tune with the show's theme. I hope I could find out more about the music. I also hope they use it again in the show.
Well, one more ep to go :( I hope it's a blast. What will I ever do on Monday nights now????

majorsal
June 14th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Seeing Helen and Will like this was really cool, Amanda and Robin gave brilliant performances, and seeing Will in glasses reminded me of him in S1. Seeing Helen so connected to her emotions, Amanda did a great job of letting Helen cut loose, and not keeping all her emotions and feelings inside, especially the scene with John and her agent. :)

yes! :)

i didn't think about that until you mentioned it here, but this was a helen that wasn't afraid to let her emotions out. interesting...

majorsal
June 14th, 2011, 04:16 PM
Well the main dr/lab dude says something like "Its time to bring out the big guns" and then Druitt shows up. So maybe they were controling it somehow. And the memories did the rest.
Kate also says something like "You knew you guys would fight bliss so hard" or something like that. Making so the program creates some sort of perfect or some idea of it and maybe the person fills in the rest. Seeing as Helen almost married Druitt and I'm guessing he's the only one she came close to that it would be him.
And Will is dating Abby and its serious.

i had a lot of probs hearing anything the lab guys said, so i missed most of their dialog.

see, the prob is the creature creates a dreamworld for them (while he eats them :S), but they were in a dreamworld HERE too, but this one was created by virgil and his ppl? and they did this how? and i know i heard henry saying something about using some fluid from the creature, so how was that supposed to help helen and wil?

someone on another site ( http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979448959 ) said this at the end: "It turns out that Helen and Will got infected by the venom of a huge worm while in Mexico on business. The worm uses its prey by controlling the mind while it feeds on the body. To protect them and bring them back with their minds in tact, Henry, Kate and Virgil came up with the process that allowed them to heal while in a fantasy world."

i like simple explanations, especially when i can't hear. :p

Skydiver
June 14th, 2011, 05:39 PM
even listening on headphones i could barely understand what the lab guys said. the black one had a heavy accent which made it even harder

Julian
June 14th, 2011, 11:27 PM
So the ep is pretty good, I liked it, nice seeing Sanctuary in a real, practical set.

The only thing that bugged me really was why did they keep waking up? It sounds like a silly plot to add the drama for the audience of knowing that they're being "held captive" in a lab somewhere.

People don't just wake up when they're undergoing surgery - they have anesthetists monitoring them constantly. I don't know why it'd be any different in the tank. (Also is it just me or is there a lack of IV? They've been in there for 3 1/2 days, you'd think they'd need some kind of sustinance)

helenmagnus23
June 14th, 2011, 11:37 PM
I just watched it again it blew me away!:D

Will and Abby-I'm still not to fond of Abby but i really enjoyed seeing her and Will in the possibilty of them being married and expecting a little one it was adorable :D i loved the bit when Helen's cat was on Will's car such a cute little pussy cat:D and when Abby brought Helen short bread hehehe i was just like she's English not Scottish! i loved that scene i was giggling so much:D. I loved seeing this happy family side of Will and Abby though i felt the same as Will it didnt feel right! :D.

Helen and John-When i saw John my little Magnett heart went into overdrive:D i love how in this world though just a dream of sorts they were married i noticed he had a ring on i loved that and when Helen went to take the tablets and we saw Helen Druitt(melts):D and i was actually in tears at the bit when John gave her choice just seeing so much emotion how much she loved but also how much she had been hurt by him and then being offerd everything she's ever wanted it brought me to tears.

MAGNETT FOREVER!!!

Helen and Will-I loved how they figured it out that the world they were in was not real it was both to perfict for both of them. I loved the flashbacks we saw for both of them for Will with his mother and for Helen seeing Ashley(i miss Ash :( ) it was great seeing the flashbacks going right back to season 1 :D i love how they havent forgotten Ash :D Oh and when they kept seeing the infinate symbol in this dreamscape and it actually turned out to be on giant worm from Praxsis when i saw that i was OMG that thing is huge! and it had affected them .

I loved how Kate and Henry got help from Vergil that was good and they came up with a way to stop the creatures affects and helped Helen and Will:D

I so cant wait to see INTO THE BLACK:D More Magnett fun yay!!:D
Off to watch it again!:D

kes
June 15th, 2011, 12:40 AM
i had a lot of probs hearing anything the lab guys said, so i missed most of their dialog.

see, the prob is the creature creates a dreamworld for them (while he eats them :S), but they were in a dreamworld HERE too, but this one was created by virgil and his ppl? and they did this how? and i know i heard henry saying something about using some fluid from the creature, so how was that supposed to help helen and wil?

someone on another site ( http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979448959 ) said this at the end: "It turns out that Helen and Will got infected by the venom of a huge worm while in Mexico on business. The worm uses its prey by controlling the mind while it feeds on the body. To protect them and bring them back with their minds in tact, Henry, Kate and Virgil came up with the process that allowed them to heal while in a fantasy world."

i like simple explanations, especially when i can't hear. :pSort of like the x files ep were the fugus "gives" them a wacky drug so they'll stay still while it digestes (sp). It seemed to me because the venom made them all wacky that they needed the dream world for their brains to return to normal. Using the fluid and some tec Vrigil was working on they created that dream world.


So the ep is pretty good, I liked it, nice seeing Sanctuary in a real, practical set.

The only thing that bugged me really was why did they keep waking up? It sounds like a silly plot to add the drama for the audience of knowing that they're being "held captive" in a lab somewhere.

People don't just wake up when they're undergoing surgery - they have anesthetists monitoring them constantly. I don't know why it'd be any different in the tank. (Also is it just me or is there a lack of IV? They've been in there for 3 1/2 days, you'd think they'd need some kind of sustinance)
Actually they do. Its rare but not unheard of. Plus anesthisia (sp) is dangerous. 3 days under? def no. They said that Magnus was building resistence to the drugs.

Skydiver
June 15th, 2011, 04:28 AM
You do hear horror stories of patients that do wake up. That's why the anestheologist gets paid so much. it's his/her job to keep the patient just far enough under to keep them asleep, but not so far that you drug them to death.

and i agree, they should have had IV's....and why were they in water? the human body doesn't react well too being wet for that long.

itty bitty nits that I think are part of that whole suspending belief thing

Gatecat
June 15th, 2011, 04:55 AM
Maybe the water was needed as some kind of conductor? :S

RealmOfX
June 15th, 2011, 05:00 AM
You do hear horror stories of patients that do wake up. That's why the anestheologist gets paid so much. it's his/her job to keep the patient just far enough under to keep them asleep, but not so far that you drug them to death.

and i agree, they should have had IV's....and why were they in water? the human body doesn't react well too being wet for that long.

itty bitty nits that I think are part of that whole suspending belief thing

Water was needed because Damian insists on them getting wet several times each season ;)

Actually warm salty water helps to reduce pressure on the body and therefore reduce links to the outside world, I suspect it was a variation on the old sensory deprivation tanks.

helenmagnus23
June 15th, 2011, 05:26 AM
i had a lot of probs hearing anything the lab guys said, so i missed most of their dialog.

see, the prob is the creature creates a dreamworld for them (while he eats them :S), but they were in a dreamworld HERE too, but this one was created by virgil and his ppl? and they did this how? and i know i heard henry saying something about using some fluid from the creature, so how was that supposed to help helen and wil?

someone on another site ( http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979448959 ) said this at the end: "It turns out that Helen and Will got infected by the venom of a huge worm while in Mexico on business. The worm uses its prey by controlling the mind while it feeds on the body. To protect them and bring them back with their minds in tact, Henry, Kate and Virgil came up with the process that allowed them to heal while in a fantasy world."

i like simple explanations, especially when i can't hear. :p

Henry said they used the saliva of the giant worm which was in the water they were in . I'm thinking they done that as to not cause there bodies to go into shock as the venom ruunning through them was fast acting and by keeping them in the tubs with the saliva of the creature it would feel to them as though there enviroment hadent changed so there wouldnt be a shock to the body.

And with the doctors giving them the shots and with them wakeing every know and again they were fighting the affects with help from the drug that they had come up with and i'm thinking with Helen haveing the vamp blood in her system she would need a much stronger dose of the drug as the vamp blood probably has it's own defence agaist such poisions.

I hope that makes sense:D

majorsal
June 15th, 2011, 02:09 PM
You do hear horror stories of patients that do wake up. That's why the anestheologist gets paid so much. it's his/her job to keep the patient just far enough under to keep them asleep, but not so far that you drug them to death.

and i agree, they should have had IV's....and why were they in water? the human body doesn't react well too being wet for that long.

itty bitty nits that I think are part of that whole suspending belief thing


Maybe the water was needed as some kind of conductor? :S

so they were being operated on, for real? i didn't think so.

i thought they were in water to help stay into their dream state better. you know, floating in the water, not really feeling anything around them, so it's a type of sensory deprivation?

kes
June 15th, 2011, 02:16 PM
They werent operated. Its just that anesthisea (sp) was mentioned.

majorsal
June 15th, 2011, 02:31 PM
i really liked this, and it's mainly to amanda's helen in this episode. :samanime51:

wil and helen were 'supposed' to be living their bliss lives. i really think wil would have stayed happy in his, but those punches of reality that kept hitting him, plus seeing helen and feeling some connection to her, pulled him out of it. plus, i think on some level, he really 'doesn't want this life. or this life with abby.

but helen... there's layers upon layers *about helen* in this episode that i'm just still squeeing about! :p

if henry and kate created this bliss environment (or did virgil and his peeps, with help henry-kate?), why did helen fight it so? or maybe her logical mind just wouldn't accept...

helen still loves john, but just knows they'll never be together like that again? why wasn't ashley in that dream world?

'who' wrote the dreamworld program!? :p

my two most fave scenes were:

1- helen on the phone with her agent. you could just hear the vulnerability in her voice! i wanted to hug her! :( :p

2- her confrontation with john.

funny thing is, i'm not a helen/john shipper at all, but i DO appreciate both actors wonderful talents! but anyways... this scene, when john asked helen what she wanted... this scene haunts me... amanda was just amazing!! this was helen at her rawest, not holding back her feelings and thoughts... and her thoughts were :(, and not just about her relationship with john!

helen magnus is a massive multi-layered character, and i sometimes wish this show would realize just what it has with the character and amanda's power with it. okay, i KNOW they do (it's obvious too :p), but i wish the series would tackle the character like this more often.

she's *very* original, but so it the series. ;) :D


okay, done fangirling at the moment :p

jckfan55
June 15th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Actually warm salty water helps to reduce pressure on the body and therefore reduce links to the outside world, I suspect it was a variation on the old sensory deprivation tanks.

That's what I thought too.




but helen... there's layers upon layers *about helen* in this episode that i'm just still squeeing about! :p




okay, done fangirling at the moment :p

fangirling with you. :D

Skydiver
June 15th, 2011, 05:29 PM
The transcript is all done for any that want it
http://www.jackfic.net/emeraldcity/sanctuarytranscripts/outofblue.htm

Again, use, enjoy, even save a copy, just don't repost it without permission

majorsal
June 15th, 2011, 08:11 PM
a friend asked me to name one thing i liked about helen in the episode. i said: her vulnerability.

helen!! :( (((helen and amanda's awesome performance)))

helenmagnus23
June 15th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Seeing that scene when John asked Helen what she wanted and seeing all of Helen's emotions it brought me to tears , Amanda and Chris done so well there are not enough words I can say , this scene toke my breath away and dose Everytime I watch it.

EvenstarSRV
June 15th, 2011, 10:45 PM
Another really great episode, I'm glad to see Sanctuary seems to be finishing the season strong. I esp like how in the last couple of episodes they've been able to keep the Hollow Earth storyline alive through mentions here and there, but the main storyline still works as almost a standalone.

It was neat to kinda get a peek into Helen and Will's subconscious desires brought out by the psych worm, Will living a 'normal' life without the craziness of the Sanctuary, and Helen living without the demands and pressures of spending decades as the head of the Sanctuary network. Though even in 'bliss' they had problems, Will's problems with his work and Helen's frustrations with the smallness of her life and her relationship with Druitt.

The scene between Helen and John and then later ones between Helen and Will when they figured out what was happening were the highlights for me. I thought AT did a great job of playing Helen without the masks we normally see her wear, and it was great to see a return of analytical, puzzle-solving Will. Abby even grew on me a bit, her kinda goofy earnestness with Helen and her concern and support for Will worked for me.

A bit sad that the finale is next week, though at least the wait between seasons won't be as long this time.



--This episode could have been the perfect place to bring back Emilie as Ashley. Seriously. I mean, *if* this was really Helen's fantasy - what she wants deep down - I'd understand Helen not wanting to make life or death decisions anymore. But I think she would also want her daughter alive again.


IIRC, AT said in an interview that they had a script that brought Ashley back for at least one ep, but the scheduling didn't work out with EU. I wouldn't be surprised if this was that script, since the AU was the perfect opportunity to revisit the character.

I also think it would have made Helen's situation in the dreamworld much more poignant and difficult. I can easily see Helen walking away from a life with Druitt, too much water under the bridge between them I think. But could Helen have rejected a life with Ashley still alive and returned to her? I'm not so sure.

lastrequest
June 16th, 2011, 06:17 AM
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode :D

I was a little hesitant about it (about possible Helen/John shippyness - I'm just finding that relationship a bit monotonous now...) but in all honesty I actually really enjoyed their scenes together, and to me it seemed to cement the fact that they're never going to have a 'happy-ever-after' together, no matter what the circumstances.

I liked that their failing relationship paralleled reality... and also, is this maybe being reinforced because Amanda wants Helen to have a love interest in S4? Although, like some others have said, I think it would have been a great opportunity to have Ashley back for an episode.

Loved the bit of bickering between Helen & Will over the cat :p I couldn't help but feel for him when it was scratching at his hand, but if you will carry a cat like that what did he expect :lol:

And also, how he goes around the back of her house and blatantly thieves her paintings :lol: just the cheek of that!

Some real amusing moments as well, from the 'shortbread' incident, to Helen offering him coffee (then they both have a cuppa :D )

Enjoyed watching them work it all out, and really liked that I had no clue they were in those tanks to SAVE them! I love it when the ending catches me off guard, as Sanctuary eps. often do :)

MidwifeOnBoard
June 16th, 2011, 07:18 PM
I wanted to post my thoughts before reading everyone else's.

First, I really enjoyed the ep overall. I thought it was clearly a setup for an arc to take us into the finale and beginning of season 4. It was beautifully written and performed.

My favorite part was Artist!Magnus. I'm not sure if it was intentional on Damian's part, but I thought it was a lovely tribute to scientists as artists. I know a large number of medical and/or science types (myself included) who are also artists, many of whom are highly skilled/trained and fabulously talented, but choose to make their living in the pursuit of healing. I can absolutely see Magnus with this hidden inner-artist that is dying to get out- be less emotionally restrained-as seen by this manifestation of her 'perfect world.'

Oh Hai, grown-up Will! There you are! I was missing you as a legitimate foil for Magnus. For the first time this season, I believed it. I hope they keep it this way.

Chris Heyerdahl really makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck when he gets into full-on Druitt. I had goose pimples with that "stop the bloody car!" *shiver* Yikes! :eek:

I even liked the whole Will/Abby story. I'm guessing Pascale Hutton was really pregnant during the filming, she had the look about her since "One Night" IMO. I thought it was a brilliant way to work her pregnancy into the story.

Speaking of... my one thing that had me head-desking. The diagnosis of preeclampsia and the events surrounding it. I'm not going into full-on rant mode here (I did that in my LJ, lol) but I was so excited when they spoke of the weeks pregnant instead of months, that I thought they were going to get it right, alas, no. The points that rubbed wrong that any search on google could have told you the right info:

Late onset preeclampsia happens after the birth. 33 weeks is early to mid for onset. The earlier it is diagnosed, the more severe it is. Most cases are at or near term. At 33 weeks with a diagnosis of preeclampsia, Abby would not be home in her bedroom resting comfortably. She'd be in the hospital. Magnus should have pulled out the blood pressure cuff, if she was suspicious of that diagnosis, not stuck a stethoscope on Abby's belly.

But as with all bad medicine on TV, I only let it briefly distract from my enjoyment of the show. I can't wait to see what comes next week. Loved the twist at the end, because the whole time I was wondering how they were going to get out of the corner it seemed they had written themselves into.

Mostly, though. I still have a happy, full heart over Artist!Magnus.

Morigane50
June 17th, 2011, 08:33 AM
Nice episode to me , I always like stories about what is the dream-what is the reality . At the beginning it sounds to me like a little "Desperate houswives à la X-Files "and I thought , oh la la! what do they reserve to us in this episode.
Funny to see Helen like an anti-social woman with her cat , and Will as a married guy Bon Chic Bon Genre ( sorry I do not know how to say that in english) with his nice pregnant wife and a dog ( that we do not see) .

I liked the scenes of the research lab, very claustrophobic , poor Magnus and Will dreaming that they were dreaming with nightmares.

At the end, I loved the scene when they get in the car, I found it a little creepy , with John arriving and trying to prevent a determined Helen to escape while Will looking at Abby was still terrified at the idea to be wrong in their deduction and therefore being abandoning his pregnant wife . Maybe it's me , but I felt that this scene showed very well the difference between the two characters , regarding their maturity and knowledge in life and how they can be nevertheless complementary together.
Druitt was frightening when he screams .

I was a little disappointed at the explanation of the end with the strange creature , I don't know why , maybe I was waiting more .

What I liked a lot in this episode was the acting , the actors were very well in their characters and that was very interesting to see them differently in an alternative reality . I think also that Martin Wood must be a wonderful director .
;)

meredithchandler73
June 17th, 2011, 09:09 AM
IIRC, AT said in an interview that they had a script that brought Ashley back for at least one ep, but the scheduling didn't work out with EU. I wouldn't be surprised if this was that script, since the AU was the perfect opportunity to revisit the character.

I also think it would have made Helen's situation in the dreamworld much more poignant and difficult. I can easily see Helen walking away from a life with Druitt, too much water under the bridge between them I think. But could Helen have rejected a life with Ashley still alive and returned to her? I'm not so sure.

My thoughts exactly. Having Ashley in the dream world would have made it so much more difficult and moving for Helen to totally reject that world and go back to the real one.

I still think I'm a little fuzzy on how the dream world works and what was going on in the lab. The creature attacked Helen and Will, and it's venom causes the victims to go into a dream state while it eats them. Henry and Kate needed to do something to save their minds - but it required keeping them in the dream world until their brain scans were normal. So, the neural net that they were hooked up to connected Helen and Will, and to a certain extent their dream world was being controlled by Virgil and the lab people, right? I mean, Helen and Will figure out that when they resisted and "broke free" they were pulled deeper in the dream world by events. When Helen woke up and was resisting, the tech guy said, "Time to bring out the big guns" and then John appeared. Or was it simply a higher dosage of the drug pushed Helen's mind to come up with John?

Jediwise
June 17th, 2011, 10:32 AM
I was wondering the same thing, meredithchandler73. I like your suggestion that maybe Helen's mind brought up John because it's not clear to me how Virgil could know what they are dreaming. I assumed the lab people knew what was going on in the dream world until Magnus and Will started figuring out the truth. When they did their "test" to both wake up in the lab at the same time and then realized what was happening, I expected some response from the outside world. Instead, Magnus and Will came up with the idea of driving off the cliff and only the dream world Abby and John responded. They acted as if they knew what Magnus and Will planned, but they would do the same if they were creations of Magnus and Will's minds.

But in the end I think either theory would work, since maybe there's an explanation about who "created" the dream world that I'm missing. Great discussion, though! I like how Sanctuary makes us think, since as science fiction fans we can come up with a lot of explanations on our own.

Mandysg1
June 17th, 2011, 11:34 AM
It will be intersting to see what Damian has to say about it on Space's InnerSpace tonight.

jckfan55
June 17th, 2011, 01:34 PM
I figured the drugs or whatever they were doing to them caused them to go back into their minds and it was logical then that Druitt would appear. And yes, he was *very* creepy at the car.

And Magnus crashing the car was very Magnus. No dinking around with half measures. ;)

majorsal
June 17th, 2011, 05:03 PM
I still think I'm a little fuzzy on how the dream world works and what was going on in the lab. The creature attacked Helen and Will, and it's venom causes the victims to go into a dream state while it eats them. Henry and Kate needed to do something to save their minds - but it required keeping them in the dream world until their brain scans were normal. So, the neural net that they were hooked up to connected Helen and Will, and to a certain extent their dream world was being controlled by Virgil and the lab people, right? I mean, Helen and Will figure out that when they resisted and "broke free" they were pulled deeper in the dream world by events. When Helen woke up and was resisting, the tech guy said, "Time to bring out the big guns" and then John appeared. Or was it simply a higher dosage of the drug pushed Helen's mind to come up with John?

good questions. i want the answers too! :p

suse
June 17th, 2011, 07:31 PM
I figured the drugs or whatever they were doing to them caused them to go back into their minds and it was logical then that Druitt would appear. And yes, he was *very* creepy at the car.

And Magnus crashing the car was very Magnus. No dinking around with half measures. ;)

"Same old Helen: 'I'm just going to jump off this cliff and hope I sprout wings'."
- James Watson

EvenstarSRV
June 17th, 2011, 09:57 PM
My thoughts exactly. Having Ashley in the dream world would have made it so much more difficult and moving for Helen to totally reject that world and go back to the real one.

I still think I'm a little fuzzy on how the dream world works and what was going on in the lab. The creature attacked Helen and Will, and it's venom causes the victims to go into a dream state while it eats them. Henry and Kate needed to do something to save their minds - but it required keeping them in the dream world until their brain scans were normal. So, the neural net that they were hooked up to connected Helen and Will, and to a certain extent their dream world was being controlled by Virgil and the lab people, right? I mean, Helen and Will figure out that when they resisted and "broke free" they were pulled deeper in the dream world by events. When Helen woke up and was resisting, the tech guy said, "Time to bring out the big guns" and then John appeared. Or was it simply a higher dosage of the drug pushed Helen's mind to come up with John?

IIRC, Henry said something about using a chemical from the psych worm to create a neural gel that they used as a bridge between the dreamworld Helen and Will were in and the real world. So I'm guessing that they maybe were using that gel to gradually lower the concentration of the worm's venom to get them out to the dreamworld, but they couldn't do it too fast or they'd come out crazy.

So the times when Helen and Will woke up were when the venom levels in their body got too low, so the scientists needed to up the dosage to put them back under. I think it was Helen's subconscious that chose Druitt and Will that chose Abby and the baby as enticements to stay in the dreamworld, rather than the lab people.


I figured the drugs or whatever they were doing to them caused them to go back into their minds and it was logical then that Druitt would appear. And yes, he was *very* creepy at the car.

And Magnus crashing the car was very Magnus. No dinking around with half measures. ;)

Heh, at first I thought she'd try to use something from Will's medical kit. But you're right, driving off a cliff was very Magnus. And I liked the callback to the pilot with her telling Will that the decision came down to a 'leap of faith.'

dee
June 18th, 2011, 12:50 AM
AWWW! I HATE this episode! Seriously people? here was a chance to see Helen and John as a loving couple that the majority of us fans wanted to SEE and the best you come up with is a devorced couple? At this rate we will never see those two together. Bye the way, if Chris only drives/rides anything on two wheels, did he really drive that car? Druitt was an up and coming prosecutor,what did you exspect a vespa? he needs that fast exspensive car, wouldnt do for a man of his statue, and in a suite to show up in a common car much, less on a scootor or motorcycle. Though I would have LOVED it. PS. to MidWifeOnBoard, you should see Mr. Heyerdahl on HUB's network in a tv series called A Haunting, he plays Fear itself. That one WILL give you the chills.

Skydiver
June 18th, 2011, 06:32 AM
With all respect please don't speak for a 'majority of fans' cause you dont speak for me. I don't ship the couple so I have no issues at all with the role.

Please just speak for yourself not others.

JanSam
June 18th, 2011, 07:25 AM
AWWW! I HATE this episode! Seriously people? here was a chance to see Helen and John as a loving couple that the majority of us fans wanted to SEE and the best you come up with is a devorced couple? At this rate we will never see those two together.

I really liked this episode. How would you have felt if they only showed Helen and John as a loving couple and then showed Helen rejecting it?
What Helen tells both John and Will are very telling. Neither life made her happy; both needed more. She tells John "What you’re offering isn’t right either. Nothing’s right. I want to be left alone. I don’t want any responsibility, no people clawing at me demanding my attention. No life or death situations." and then later to Will...
Helen "You know I hate the term happy. Like it’s the end all and be all of life. If we don’t achieve perfect happiness we’ve somehow failed. I got married because it was supposed to make me happy and safe."
Will: But it didn’t?
Helen: It should have. John was everything I wanted or so I thought.
(Credit to Sky for the wonderful transcripts to refer back to!).

This episode showcased to me how complicated and torn Helen is as neither life was her "true happiness". I don't think Helen even knows what would truly be her blissful life. I enjoyed the glimpse inside her head.

jckfan55
June 18th, 2011, 09:22 AM
This episode showcased to me *how complicated and torn Helen is* as neither life was her "true happiness". I don't think Helen even knows what would truly be her blissful life. I enjoyed the glimpse inside her head.

One of the things I love about this character.

MidwifeOnBoard
June 18th, 2011, 09:31 AM
This episode showcased to me how complicated and torn Helen is as neither life was her "true happiness". I don't think Helen even knows what would truly be her blissful life. I enjoyed the glimpse inside her head.

So agree with this. And how many people can't relate to that? It's part of what made the episode so interesting.

Skydiver
June 18th, 2011, 10:02 AM
I think helen has spent so much of her life on her mission with the abnormals that she's never thought of a 'real' life and what she wants. She doesn't know what would make her happy because she's rarely thought about her, just others or the mission/job

JanSam
June 18th, 2011, 10:16 AM
Hmm...well I think perhaps she thought about it; especially after she lost Ashley. She just hasn't put together what the right combination is for her. She loves her mission and her work with abnormals but wonders what she is missing by not having a "normal" life. I agree that she probably hasn't spent a lot time dwelling on it.

Skydiver
June 18th, 2011, 10:24 AM
like we saw with will being lizardized, magnus will work herself itno the ground, seemingly to refuse to deal with something.

that seems to be one trait that sam and magnus share....at times instead of dealing with life they jump into work

siles
June 18th, 2011, 11:13 AM
like we saw with will being lizardized, magnus will work herself itno the ground, seemingly to refuse to deal with something.

that seems to be one trait that sam and magnus share....at times instead of dealing with life they jump into work

I agree, work as a form of escapism seems to be a personality trait shared by Sam and Helen. What about Amanda? She seems to have found a good balance with work and family and social implication in charity so she's better than Sam and Helen :)

Mandysg1
June 18th, 2011, 11:26 AM
With Helen and John, even in her dream world, she knows there something dark and dangerous about him, and it comes through in her inability to really trust him. In her real world, we know she loves him deeply, but also know it can't or should never be. This I think is what comes through in her dream world. Her mind telling her, something just isn't right.

majorsal
June 18th, 2011, 02:48 PM
I really liked this episode. How would you have felt if they only showed Helen and John as a loving couple and then showed Helen rejecting it?
What Helen tells both John and Will are very telling. Neither life made her happy; both needed more. She tells John "What you’re offering isn’t right either. Nothing’s right. I want to be left alone. I don’t want any responsibility, no people clawing at me demanding my attention. No life or death situations." and then later to Will...
Helen "You know I hate the term happy. Like it’s the end all and be all of life. If we don’t achieve perfect happiness we’ve somehow failed. I got married because it was supposed to make me happy and safe."
Will: But it didn’t?
Helen: It should have. John was everything I wanted or so I thought.
(Credit to Sky for the wonderful transcripts to refer back to!).

This episode showcased to me how complicated and torn Helen is as neither life was her "true happiness". I don't think Helen even knows what would truly be her blissful life. I enjoyed the glimpse inside her head.

maybe helen couldn't accept this john, b/c her 'real' feelings and memories were intruding on the make believe. maybe she just instinctively knew that john wasn't good, seeing as she made him and her getting a divorce and him being the reason.

i don't know. :p

Ibn Rushd
June 18th, 2011, 05:22 PM
I liked this show. It's the 3rd one I've seen, only to learn the season finale is the next ep.

Having never seen any others before, I thought the scientists were bad guys and they really were being experimented on. The joy of not knowing past relationships make this a great show with twists and surprises. Now if I continue watching I'll lose my innocence.

JanSam
June 18th, 2011, 06:55 PM
With Helen and John, even in her dream world, she knows there something dark and dangerous about him, and it comes through in her inability to really trust him. In her real world, we know she loves him deeply, but also know it can't or should never be. This I think is what comes through in her dream world. Her mind telling her, something just isn't right.

Ahem....some of us don't know that. :P

Disclaimer: not meant to start any shipper/nonshipper wars just teasing a friend who doesn't ship.

JanSam
June 18th, 2011, 06:59 PM
I liked this show. It's the 3rd one I've seen, only to learn the season finale is the next ep.

Having never seen any others before, I thought the scientists were bad guys and they really were being experimented on. The joy of not knowing past relationships make this a great show with twists and surprises. Now if I continue watching I'll lose my innocence.

Actually being new to the show didn't really matter as most thought as you had; the scientist were bad guys experimenting on them. M.A.D. does a great job with most episodes with the twist and surprises to keep us on our toes. :D

RealmOfX
June 18th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Actually being new to the show didn't really matter as most thought as you had; the scientist were bad guys experimenting on them. M.A.D. does a great job with most episodes with the twist and surprises to keep us on our toes. :D

That they do. They have a habit of doing not quite what everyone expects.

mjwalshe
June 19th, 2011, 08:55 AM
Nice episode to me , I always like stories about what is the dream-what is the reality . At the beginning it sounds to me like a little "Desperate houswives à la X-Files "and I thought , oh la la! what do they reserve to us in this episode.
Funny to see Helen like an anti-social woman with her cat , and Will as a married guy Bon Chic Bon Genrer ( sorry I do not know how to say that in english) with his nice pregnant wife and a dog ( that we do not see) .


BCB I think Sloane Ranger in UK (think hooray Henry and lady Di) I suppose Preppy or lower end Boston Brahmin is the American analog.

parsifal
June 19th, 2011, 09:19 AM
Noticed a couple of funny things about Helen's lorazepam prescription:

Her anxiety medication is being prescribed by a podiatrist.

The dose is a ridiculously large 500mg.

jasminaGo
June 19th, 2011, 09:24 AM
This was a good episode IMO, considering it was a set up for the season finale. Good character stuff, loved Helen and her interaction with John.

There's one thing I wanna know tho'. Who's idea was the second title in the newspaper, (under John's picture) and what brought it on? :p

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo186/jasmina_Go/Sanctuary/th_QuickTimePlayer2011-06-1403-14-48-68.jpg (http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo186/jasmina_Go/Sanctuary/QuickTimePlayer2011-06-1403-14-48-68.jpg)

NumberSix
June 19th, 2011, 11:05 AM
Was anyone else reminded of Helen's test in Revelations when they saw the infinity symbol in this episode? Metaphor for Gregory's work -- Noah's ark -- possible variations of Abnormal life.... Just wondering if it relates somehow to the storyline in the season finale.

Skydiver
June 19th, 2011, 11:44 AM
i saw that title....and laughed

one of many little in jokes i think

MidwifeOnBoard
June 19th, 2011, 11:45 AM
Noticed a couple of funny things about Helen's lorazepam prescription:

Her anxiety medication is being prescribed by a podiatrist.

The dose is a ridiculously large 500mg.

Heh. I noticed that too. First thought was that someone was trying to kill her, lol. My brain went WTF. But then came Helen's absurd diagnosis of Abby and my brain almost exploded. :P Google. Search.

siles
June 19th, 2011, 12:19 PM
I 've just realized something: Out of the Blue - the blue might refer to Helen's painting the blue pattern. did anyone notice it?

sanctuary girl
June 19th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Noticed a couple of funny things about Helen's lorazepam prescription:

Her anxiety medication is being prescribed by a podiatrist.

The dose is a ridiculously large 500mg.


Heh. I noticed that too. First thought was that someone was trying to kill her, lol. My brain went WTF. But then came Helen's absurd diagnosis of Abby and my brain almost exploded.

You are still wondering about things like that? I stoped as soon as they were dying of degrading cell walls! First I wanted to know when they will start their own photosynthesis and after that I wanted to know if I can apply for a job as ... medical supervisor or something like that. By the way I had the desperate urge to teach them how to handle a syringe, cause the way they are using them causes me serious pain;)

By the way: nice episode, not one of the best, but still really good. This is just complaining on a very high level on my part. There were so many great moments:
Henry the cat, John (scary and otherwise), Abbys scottish present, slimy guy is back...

Skydiver
June 19th, 2011, 12:30 PM
out of the blue

the blue on the worm
the lab having a blueish tint when they popped into it
a literal thing about the abbies leaving hollow earth 'out of the blue'....as in 'out of nowhere'

MidwifeOnBoard
June 19th, 2011, 01:12 PM
You are still wondering about things like that? I stoped as soon as they were dying of degrading cell walls! First I wanted to know when they will start their own photosynthesis and after that I wanted to know if I can apply for a job as ... medical supervisor or something like that. By the way I had the desperate urge to teach them how to handle a syringe, cause the way they are using them causes me serious pain;)



LOL, no. It was pretty obvious from the webisodes on that proper medical procedure was never going to be anything close to correct. I'm with you on syringe use, oy. And don't get me started on sterile technique. The way they run their OR, it's amazing that the people they treat don't die of sepsis on a regular basis! It's a shame, because it's not so hard to get them right. The information is out there. But, yanno, pregnancy stuff irks me more than a lot of the other stuff. You should see my roomie roll her eyes as I complain about the medical stuff on this show on a weekly basis. :P Good thing I find the rest of the show to be so awesome.

Skydiver
June 19th, 2011, 01:14 PM
i have a friend of mine that' a practicing RN and she refuses to watch some shows because the medicine is so wrong. grey's anatomy among them.

MidwifeOnBoard
June 19th, 2011, 01:17 PM
i have a friend of mine that' a practicing RN and she refuses to watch some shows because the medicine is so wrong. grey's anatomy among them.

I'm an RN and a Midwife and I don't watch medical shows for that reason. ER was reasonably good, but even they had me headdesking a good amount of time- after I went to nursing school I had to stop watching. ;)

suse
June 19th, 2011, 06:27 PM
Noticed a couple of funny things about Helen's lorazepam prescription:

Her anxiety medication is being prescribed by a podiatrist.

The dose is a ridiculously large 500mg.

Yeah, isn't the largest dosage 2mg?

<<I have been working where I am currently wayyy too long>> :S

:( I was wishing I had an anti-anxiety med several days a go. I hate changed in management. Ended up leaving early *and* taking a mental heath day the next day.

Mandysg1
June 19th, 2011, 06:54 PM
Yeah, isn't the largest dosage 2mg?

<<I have been working where I am currently wayyy too long>> :S

:( I was wishing I had an anti-anxiety med several days a go. I hate changed in management. Ended up leaving early *and* taking a mental heath day the next day.

Just make sure you don't borrow pills from Helen...not at those doses :eek:

Skydiver
June 19th, 2011, 07:04 PM
chamomile tea

works wonders when you're stressed

Steff
June 19th, 2011, 07:25 PM
Noticed a couple of funny things about Helen's lorazepam prescription:

Her anxiety medication is being prescribed by a podiatrist.

The dose is a ridiculously large 500mg.

Oh wow, the researcher really missed that one. For Anxiety, Max total one day's amt. is 10mg over several dosages. ooops.

suse
June 19th, 2011, 07:29 PM
chamomile tea

works wonders when you're stressed

Thanks Sky. I tried that. It's revolting. I'm trying other herbs. LOL No not illegal ones.

Skydiver
June 19th, 2011, 07:39 PM
i know, the taste isn't that grat at times. Tesla has a point :)

i've found mint chamomile which isn't bad.

but there have been times when i've been really, really stressed. I choke it down just cause i know it'll help

suse
June 19th, 2011, 10:01 PM
Chocolate. :) Though that's more for crankiness. Works though. Less cranky = less stress.

On topic: Helen could have used some chocolate in this ep.

Ibn Rushd
June 19th, 2011, 10:02 PM
I actually drink Lipton brand Chamomile Court (it has spices). Licorice, ginger, and green tea are pretty good. I also drink tea.

Also, what would a foot doctor have to do with her prescription? Their fact checker was taking a nap that day. Or maybe those things were hints to viewers that something was up, and it was not normal.

suse
June 19th, 2011, 10:07 PM
:D We'll go with that last statement. After all, they were around the bend for days. So there weren't mistakes, it was further proof that world was off. :)

Skydiver
June 20th, 2011, 04:15 AM
like helen offering coffee

they were in the worm's dream world. but clues that something wasn't right started to creep in as they developed the resistance/grew away from needing the psych gel.

EH-T
June 20th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Finally saw the ep on Friday. I must admit when they first talked about how different this ep would be I was concerned I wouldn't like it but I enjoyed it very much. some thoughts:

-I think part of the reason why helen was a painter here had to do with AT. She paints as well. Seemed a good fit for Helen.

-still not a fan of so much of Will's love life in season 3 but this was much better than the dating episodes.

-liked the use of Virgil here

-liked the effect for going from the dream world into reality, the ripples were a good effect and worked well with them being in water. Have to laugh though at how these two characters always end up wet!

-it's quirky but I love how this show is on one hand doing big budget epics like Normandy and then uses their own cars in a ep to save money. :p

-again, I like how they are keeping elements from the past alive, Hollow Earth, Ashley, etc. Drove me a bit crazy that Stargate introduced something and then it was never referred to again.

-brilliant acting job by AT especially in the scenes between Helen and John.

dee
June 21st, 2011, 11:23 PM
Yeh, I have know idea what the second line means but for the first line if I offended you I apoligze :)

Matt G
July 26th, 2011, 03:14 PM
1. Sort of liked Will-Abby...wondering why they didn't have Will remember than that ship was real to some extent.

2. Liked the Ashley flashes.

3. OK...so they had the lab peeeps being an attempt to save them? Credit for 'some' originality.

Overall, bit meh though.

Mousie
August 1st, 2011, 08:21 AM
This was a good episode IMO, considering it was a set up for the season finale. Good character stuff, loved Helen and her interaction with John.

There's one thing I wanna know tho'. Who's idea was the second title in the newspaper, (under John's picture) and what brought it on? :p

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo186/jasmina_Go/Sanctuary/th_QuickTimePlayer2011-06-1403-14-48-68.jpg (http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo186/jasmina_Go/Sanctuary/QuickTimePlayer2011-06-1403-14-48-68.jpg)

Only just caught it thanks to this cap (Thanks Jasmina) but can you see who wrote the article? D McRae.

Dr-Helen-Granger
August 27th, 2012, 11:28 PM
I'm still only relatively new to Sanctuary and Stargate so forgive me for mistakes!
I didn't really like this episode to begin with and then I re-watched it and feel in love with it. I don't know why, but I just did. One reason may have been Amanda's wonderfully amazing acting in this episode (especially her scenes with Christopher Heyerdahl)
As for the head line under the picture of John, Damian or Martin said in the commentary its got a picture of Martin and Damian killing each other XD I can't remember why tho...