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GateWorld
April 18th, 2011, 07:31 AM
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<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s6/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE REBEL FLESH</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3205 (605)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">In the thirty-second century the Doctor finds a factory occupied by a team who use doppelgangers made of artificially created flesh to perform hazardous tasks. But when the "Gangers" begin acting on their own, the Doctor tries to convince the team that their duplicates are living beings.</DIV>
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Teddybrown
May 21st, 2011, 11:30 AM
Wow, what a good way to start the 2 parter!
Started of a bit slow, but picked up pace as it went along
I guessed that the Doctor would make a doppelganger of himself
Rorys a bit of an idiot running off on his own, but it shows he cares about people
Cant wait for part 2!

Sealurk
May 21st, 2011, 11:31 AM
Well that was an okay episode, bit tame, bit predictable, but frankly after last week's episode that might be a good thing.

On the plus side, Muse!

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 21st, 2011, 11:33 AM
That was pretty good, but struggled to live up to last ep. Was I the only one thinking as soon as the acid was introduced that Rory will fall into it at some point next Saturday?

Teddybrown
May 21st, 2011, 11:39 AM
That was pretty good, but struggled to live up to last ep. Was I the only one thinking as soon as the acid was introduced that Rory will fall into it at some point next Saturday?

With his record... lol

Zarius
May 21st, 2011, 11:40 AM
Decent opening act to a very creepy story...I'm sure it'll pick up a bit more next week, this was mostly all to establish the "US and THEM" war. I DID think it was a little too easy for the flesh to rebel so convieniantly, but I guess that's because the storm presented the right oppertunity. Good to see Eyepatch Lady will be doing double duty with this story (she's in the Next Time trailer too)

Alan
May 21st, 2011, 12:44 PM
Wow. That was brilliantly creepy start to this two parter! Younger kids will have been hiding behind the sofa or burying their heads into a cushion or a parents' stomach at the sight of the 'Gangers faces and stretching necks. Loved it...great cliffhanger, and very much looking forward to Part 2!

knowles2
May 21st, 2011, 01:30 PM
Anyone got the feeling the Doctor is the one who decided on this trip and not the Tardis and he somehow knows exactly what happen on this trip as well. As this is one of those fixed point in time that cannot be change.

He also seem to be trying to dump Rory and Amy off the Tardis. A couple of times this series he tried to loose them. An yet they always manage to stay on board because of some incident (is the Tardis keeping them aboard? just like she does not let him go where he want, she does not let him decide who is his companion). An I suspect Amy baby is worrying him, and it more than just him caring for Amy.

Last week story should have been chosen, despite its problems with the dialogue its was the best story of the series and could have easily taken up two episode, especially if the rain forest scenes added. Why this one could easily been one episode story.

I did not mind the episode despite its completely unoriginal storyline, which have been done in many films, TV programme, (Stargate, Star Trek, Outer Limits and Xfiles and even Doctor done the storyline before and the list goes on and on and on and on ), at least there was no annoying dialogue like last week episode, I just hope now they have two doctors we can see them fight it out between each other.

But it be to obvious for it dopplegagger to be the one to have died at the beginning series.

However it being the one to come with a plan to save the original doctor is a even better storyline through, especially if Rory or Amy asks him in the next episode and he tells them how to regenerate him.

After all we know the time lords can regenerate even after there body is burnt to a crisp, the Master did it, and the only reason that it went wrong was because someone sabotage the formula. An telling dopplegagger about what happens to his real self should cause no trouble at all with time paradoxes and it much better than it just being the dopplegagger getting killed.

Through I hope the next episode is not simple humans vs Dopplegaggers. The synopsis suggest this is the case which is good. Through its also suggest the dopplegagger doctor is a threat to everyone.





http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gygrl

That video is somehow linked to this episode or the next.

About the mysterious video, to me it does not look like he filming it from the Tardis. It look like it being filmed somewhere else.

But other than that, the Doctor is in trouble and only Rory, Amy or River can rescue him. An where ever the doctor is looking to be under attack by someone.

Yes the name could suggest the angels, but we know they are not the big bad this season, that the Silent or who ever in the astronaut suit or the girl who regenerated at the end of the second episode. I suspect it a combination of all three mixed together plotting together.

Zarius
May 21st, 2011, 01:40 PM
An telling dopplegagger about what happens to his real self should cause no trouble at all with time paradoxes and it much better than it just being the dopplegagger getting killed.

Were you even looking at the next time trailer where the Doctor Ganger was trying to strangle Amy?

Don't expect them to tell him anything, this plotline isnt going to expand beyond this two-parter. The Doctor is the one who dies at the beach.

knowles2
May 21st, 2011, 01:50 PM
Were you even looking at the next time trailer where the Doctor Ganger was trying to strangle Amy?

Don't expect them to tell him anything, this plotline isnt going to expand beyond this two-parter. The Doctor is the one who dies at the beach.

Yes I saw the trailer. But as usual in the doctor who it may not be what it appears to be.

Matt G
May 21st, 2011, 03:05 PM
1. Marshall Lancaster - good to see you again mate!

2. Not sure exactly when this is set.

3. If this is a fixed point then I doubt the Doctor would be getting as involved as he is.

4. "Trust me - I'm the Doctor". I certainly hope he'll be of use.

Very good set up!

pbellosom
May 21st, 2011, 04:01 PM
That was pretty good, am very suspicious as to what the Doctor knows about the Flesh that he's not saying. I missed about five minutes of dialogue because we watched it with our Northern Friend who's accent and Northern mannerisms we always mock, when the Doctor did his Yorkshire thing it was like he was breaking the Fourth Wall to address us and we laughed for ages afterwards.

Who's guessing that Rory ends up with a Ganger that then dies?

Cold Fuzz
May 21st, 2011, 07:19 PM
Who's guessing that Rory ends up with a Ganger that then dies?

If he does end up with a Ganger and bites it, then it would really be a mirror of the Silurian two-parter from last year. That's not a good thing for me as I got a "meh" vibe from the Silurian storyline. This episode gave the same feeling. Like a few others in the thread, I think this episode didn't quite live up to the awesomeness from last week.

I can't pin down what it is exactly but the Silurian two-parter didn't click with me and so far this one isn't either, though I do admit that the Doctor having a duplicate of himself opens up interesting possibilities.

I was looking for the Eye-Patch Lady again and when she did appear, I thought, "What? That's it?" :lol:

jbachandouris
May 21st, 2011, 07:27 PM
What no one commented about when the dopple says 'I thought I was going to die' and Rory says 'welcome to my world?'

And waiting 2 weeks for BBCA? I think not! I will get my part 2 next week somehow!

spaceship
May 21st, 2011, 08:06 PM
2 Doctors are better than one :D

Awesome cliffhanger!

Fandom Addict
May 22nd, 2011, 01:35 AM
I didn't really enjoy this one very much. :S Very tame after last weeks episode.

Sealurk
May 22nd, 2011, 05:07 AM
It strikes me as a little odd that The Doctor's Wife was a single episode, while this story, which so far, frankly, feels like it could easily have been squeezed into a single episode get two episodes. Maybe it's for budget reasons, but I can honestly say the story so far hasn't really grabbed me, and I would much rather have had The Doctor's Wife as the two parter than this. But then I'm not a producer.

Draygon
May 22nd, 2011, 05:08 AM
I watched this episode with friends and one of them commented that "If this is a two parter, someone at the BBC is going to die".Needless to say he was making angry noises after the credits :P

I see loads of people in this thread saying this episode wasn't good compared to last week's. The Doctor's Wife was a frankly brilliant story, and also a different style to this weeks. This week's episode feels much more like classic Who and I for one like that. This episode is mainly set up for next weeks, and I'm sure we'll appreciate that when we see the resolution of events. We fans are fickle too; if this was all condensed into one episode, we'd most likely complain that it felt rushed or should have been a two parter :P

Galileo_Galilee
May 22nd, 2011, 11:52 AM
What the heck is it with the snow globe?

jameshawking
May 22nd, 2011, 11:53 AM
Waiting 2,000 years to protect Amy out of sheer love and devotion, and he still can't take care of another woman without her getting annoyed?

Sealurk
May 22nd, 2011, 01:37 PM
Okay, just watched it again.

So, unless I'm hearing it wrong, the Doctor definitely knows a lot more than he's saying with regards to the situation in this episode, even more than usual. The Doctor talks about a crossroads, about making the right decision, and about the Flesh being just the early stages of the technology. So presumably this is another point in history that's in flux and can have a massive impact on the future, and he knows how it originally turned out and decides to undo it.

They're mining acid and shipping it to the mainland. Why? Is this just a MacGuffin and convenient obstacle, or is it going to end up being very important to the plot?

I'm liking Amy less and less.

I wonder if mention of Rory remembering his time as living plastic will come up in the next part, since it could well be relevant to the Ganger's situation.

Did the Doctor deliberately create his duplicate, perhaps to reach out to the Gangers and the humans, show them they can co-operate? It only appears after he ducks into the chapel with the Flesh and uses his sonic on it for quite some time, then simply leaves. Or is it a byproduct of him trying to do something else with the Flesh?

So, Cleaves' crew aren't military, but contractors for the military - so what is the military's interest in the Flesh, or the acid? An ability to field armies where combat losses aren't nearly as bad because the original operator remains, or something even more sinister? The hardwiring of the minds and personalities of the operators by the electrical discharge (especially with Buzzer's mention of the Isle of Sheppey incident) - is that entirely accidental?

Liking the episode a bit more now, but it still feels a little too drawn out.

sparklegem
May 22nd, 2011, 02:39 PM
General Review

I enjoyed this episode, and enjoyed it even more the 2nd time around because there is so much stuff to analyze. Loved how Rory was influenced by his previous experience as an Auton. I love the Doctor in arbiter mode. At the same time, this is a story element that I am actually particularly fond of, but I like to be challenged by it, and I really wasn't here. When you do a very common scifi idea like this, you typically need to add something to it, some original character moments, to make it a particularly engaging episode, and I do feel Rebel Flesh ended up being a tad too formulaic. For a two-parter, I didn't feel like there was that much going on in this half in terms of fleshing out (no pun intended) characters, etc.

The majority of the characters didn't have much personality. And it seems like the story was checking off boxes: person we think is real is actually a copy--check; the copy bemoans their stolen life--check; the copy tries to convince the original that they are just as much themselves--check; etc.

Not to mention that this seemed very similar to last season's two parter (though admittedly, The Hungry Earth put more focus on exploring our moral standing as human beings and how our choices represent us, which is more than I can say for this episode) : two parties are in contention with each other, the Doctor tries to sit them down and have everybody work out a compromise, it goes pretty well until some moron kills one of the other party, and then they declare war.

As for the ganger!Doctor, I am SO TORN. On the one hand, I LOVE it when a situation screws with my favorite characters on an existential/body horror-ish level (things like Human Nature and Midnight were pure crack for me). On the other hand, I HATE two-copies-of-the-same-character storylines because 9 times out of 10 I find the endings contrived and unsatisfying. It is so damn predictable when all of a sudden the clones of the heroes get conveniently killed 1/2 an hour later even though their real counterparts have been worming their way out of danger for 4 seasons, or some contrived reason is given for them never being able to visit their 'old lives'. *fumes* So, given the lack of originality in this episode, I don't have high hopes for how this is going to pan out, even though I am going to enjoy the ride immensely.

I also loved how, even though the Doctor is a peace-maker and not speciesist in principle, he was unnerved on a personal level by his own ganger.

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Things to Analyze, Discuss

Okay, if you skipped my review above, that's cool, but here I'd like to talk about some things that merit further discussion and analysis, because this whole episode is really about all these secrets that the Doctor is keeping, which are driving me crazy.

1)
So, unless I'm hearing it wrong, the Doctor definitely knows a lot more than he's saying with regards to the situation in this episode, even more than usual. Oh, absolutely. This episode drove me insane all of yesterday. What is he hiding?!?!

2) Did anyone think anything of the fact that the Doctor leaves Amy and Rory in the monitoring room to go unplug the cockerel, but after the storm Amy and Rory wake up in the Flesh generating chamber? How did they get there? Did they walk back before the 2nd storm hit (or were they possibly created in that room...*strokes beard*)?

3) When Amy, the Doctor, and father-guy go into the bathroom looking for Rory, Amy and father-guy confront the Doctor about knowing something about the Flesh. When the Doctor hesitates, spinning his wheels on what to say or deciding what he can hold back--the Doctor's gaze is specifically locked with Amy's, gazing at her with concerned intensity, even though father-guy is in the room too. Is the Flesh and what the Doctor is hiding with respect to the Flesh connected specifically to Amy? Or is the Doctor's fixated behavior toward her just because he's more concerned about being accountable to Amy and being questioned by her than by the other guy? I think it is significant enough a moment that it is the former.


4)
Did the Doctor deliberately create his duplicate, perhaps to reach out to the Gangers? It only appears after he ducks into the chapel with the Flesh and uses his sonic on it for quite some time, then simply leaves. Or is it a byproduct of him trying to do something else with the Flesh?
When the Doctor is making his way back to the TARDIS, he stops into the Flesh making room for a second, sonics the Flesh pool for a second, leaves, and then the lips appear saying "Trust Me". He wasn't just passing through the room on his way to the TARDIS, though, because he leaves the same way he enters the room. So either he deliberately took a detour to poke at the Flesh again (did he deliberately create his ganger, and if so, why is he unnerved by it later ?), or he got lost and took the opportunity to reexamine the Flesh while he was there.

jameshawking
May 22nd, 2011, 02:46 PM
fyi, he didn't create granger doctor.

While he's asking who it is, he's repeatedly saying things equivalent to "this is about to get a whole lot worse", and his pre-cog of a bad situation can easily be explained by him sensing another Time Lord (himself).

sparklegem
May 22nd, 2011, 03:11 PM
fyi, he didn't create granger doctor.

While he's asking who it is, he's repeatedly saying things equivalent to "this is about to get a whole lot worse", and his pre-cog of a bad situation can easily be explained by him sensing another Time Lord (himself).

It's not even pre-cog really--in that scene the Doctor is reacting to ganger!Doctor vocalizing from the shadows: "Why? Why?"

jameshawking
May 22nd, 2011, 03:19 PM
Ah, i must've missed that bit then.

Professor_S
May 22nd, 2011, 03:39 PM
Hm. I thought this was a decent episode. It's a pretty standard sci-fi trope - doppelgangers, that is - and plot wise, as has been said already, it didn't feel like there was anything extraordinary here. It's pretty standard fare. The characters were, as sparklegem said, rather two-dimensional; they were the standard personas one tends to get with a doppelganger story.

That being said, Jennifer was interesting to me. Her behaviour was slightly odd from the start (when she was the only one in the room that *wasn't* a ganger) - she seemed uncomfortable with the whole process, even as we watched her go through the standard procedure for 'transferring' (though we learn that's not really what it is) her consciousness. I get the feeling that there's more to her story than we know right now. I also enjoyed the scene between Jennifer and Rory in what looked to be either her room or an exercise room; between the acting (on both actors' parts) and the music (did anyone else notice the score this ep? Really good!) it was a pretty captivating scene (albeit an expected one).

I think it's brilliant that Rory is acting the way that he is - it seems to be driven by his own experiences as being a human that's other-than-human. I wasn't impressed with his character when he was first introduced, but as he becomes more complex, I find myself more interested in his story.


What the heck is it with the snow globe?

Seemed to me that was how he was monitoring the sun-tsunami, but I could be wrong about that...


<snip>

2) Did anyone think anything of the fact that the Doctor leaves Amy and Rory in the monitoring room to go unplug the cockerel, but after the storm Amy and Rory wake up in the Flesh generating chamber? How did they get there? Did they walk back before the 2nd storm hit (or were they possibly created in that room...*strokes beard*)?

Yes!! I caught that too. I don't remember them coming into contact with the Flesh before that, though... (except, I guess Rory did.) hmm....


3) When Amy, the Doctor, and father-guy go into the bathroom looking for Rory, Amy and father-guy confront the Doctor about knowing something about the Flesh. When the Doctor hesitates, spinning his wheels on what to say or deciding what he can hold back--the Doctor's gaze is specifically locked with Amy's, gazing at her with concerned intensity, even though father-guy is in the room too. Is the Flesh and what the Doctor is hiding with respect to the Flesh connected specifically to Amy? Or is the Doctor's fixated behavior toward her just because he's more concerned about being accountable to Amy and being questioned by her than by the other guy? I think it is significant enough a moment that it is the former.
<snip>


Oh good - I got this impression too. I noticed the look, and thought it was significant; but the moment was so fleeting, so when it never came up again, I figured I must've just read too much into the Doctor's expression. I'm so glad someone else saw this too! I really get the feeling that it's related to Amy somehow... I couldn't even begin to speculate on how, though...

rien
May 22nd, 2011, 03:59 PM
What happened to the other gangers?

After the solar storm when the cast divides into two groups, the 'real' people and the gangers, there is only one ganger for each 'real' person but earlier when the Doctor, Amy and Rory first arrived there were a couple of the 'real' people that had more than one ganger active. Hence why they get surrounded but multiple versions of the same people that are also strapped into the control machines.

Jennifer only has the one ganger and the guy that fell into the acid in the opening scene only had one ganger who is now dead but didnt the rest have two each? Where did they go? Anyone think its possible that the leader lady who shot that ganger and started the conflict will turn out to also be a ganger?

Teddybrown
May 23rd, 2011, 02:50 AM
2) Did anyone think anything of the fact that the Doctor leaves Amy and Rory in the monitoring room to go unplug the cockerel, but after the storm Amy and Rory wake up in the Flesh generating chamber? How did they get there? Did they walk back before the 2nd storm hit (or were they possibly created in that room...*strokes beard*)?



I noticed that too, i dont think its a continuity error, as Doctor Who always has a reason for everything! lol

pbellosom
May 23rd, 2011, 04:05 AM
What the heck is it with the snow globe?

I'm wondering whether it's going to be like Army of Ghosts/Doomsday where we get though almost the whole two parter before he says "And why is no-one going to ask me why I'm wearing 3D glasses?" and it turns out to be significant for the whole plot.

Spimman
May 23rd, 2011, 10:34 AM
I was looking for the Eye-Patch Lady again and when she did appear, I thought, "What? That's it?" :lol:

Yeah, I was expecting a little bit more. Does this mean the eye patch lady is separate and apart from The Silence?

Replicator Todd
May 23rd, 2011, 04:25 PM
I thought the episode was fun but only "okay". Nice ending, two Doctors is always exciting! :D

I'm a little puzzled in some ways by Rory's actions in the episode. Hope this doesn't create some friction between himself and Amy later on.

Nth Chevron
May 24th, 2011, 06:28 AM
Well you can see it in his eyes as a nurse that he cares about lost people like that, people in pain be it psychological or physical.

Amy has the same kind of obsession with the Doctor that in a way goes above and beyond Rivers.

N.C

Teddybrown
May 24th, 2011, 04:04 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110524_03/Latest_Clip_from_The_Almost_People

Lol, funny clip from The Almost People

Replicator Todd
May 24th, 2011, 07:28 PM
Well you can see it in his eyes as a nurse that he cares about lost people like that, people in pain be it psychological or physical.

Amy has the same kind of obsession with the Doctor that in a way goes above and beyond Rivers.

N.C

Well yes I like Rory mainly because of his kindness and caring. But he has never gone out of his way to help somebody before like the way he did in this episode.

jameshawking
May 24th, 2011, 07:38 PM
Well yes I like Rory mainly because of his kindness and caring. But he has never gone out of his way to help somebody before like the way he did in this episode.

You mean like him essentially getting fired in his first episode because of what he believed to be his patients?

Ekras
May 24th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Decent episode- about the same as the first episode this season. So far with the 2 parters, the first episode has been dull- lets hope the second is as good as episode 2 was.

Replicator Todd
May 24th, 2011, 09:41 PM
You mean like him essentially getting fired in his first episode because of what he believed to be his patients?

Oh. Completely forgot about that...

Teddybrown
May 25th, 2011, 02:09 PM
Ooo, apparently The Almost People will end with a game changing ending, and there will be some seismic scenes which changes everything for the Doctor...

Minor spoilers for Episode 7 in the article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110525_02

Zarius
May 26th, 2011, 02:26 PM
Heh, I can't be the only one who thinks the BBC spoiling things before they air are a TAD hypocritical given how much Moffat despised the fans spoiling things. I could have lived without knowing there'd be a cliffhanger this week, it risks the actual Ganger story losing it's own individual momentum since most people may tune in JUST for the cliffhanger

sparklegem
May 26th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Heh, I can't be the only one who thinks the BBC spoiling things before they air are a TAD hypocritical given how much Moffat despised the fans spoiling things. I could have lived without knowing there'd be a cliffhanger this week, it risks the actual Ganger story losing it's own individual momentum since most people may tune in JUST for the cliffhanger

I hear what you're saying--I commented in another thread about how how I'm rather angry about how spoilery the BBC description of episode 7 is. On the other hand, presumably the head-honchos have some control over what BBC releases, vs. fans who stalk filming locations and post unwarranted, moderated spoilers from any and all episodes.

Teddybrown
May 26th, 2011, 03:25 PM
Yeah, the BBC Doctor Who website has revealed some stuff thats kinda spoilery to Episode 7
eg
The Sularians returning
It probably isnt a massive spoiler, but it does kinda spoil the suprise when they do turn up...

rosey_angel
May 26th, 2011, 08:42 PM
I'm 99% sure at the end of the previous season Rory acknowledged that he is made of plastic, and he has said that he has the memories of those 2000+ years, but how come no one mentioned it in this ep? I was waiting for Rory to bring it up when Amy was getting angry at him for going after Jennifer, he's helping not only because he is an awesome person (unlike Amy who says she loves him but gives him a 5 second CPR then gets bored) but also because he is made of plastic too! I really hope this is mentioned next episode otherwise it's a huge continuity error.

I did like this episode and I didn't notice the pacing problem as others did, most likely because I was too obsessed with the Rory-plastic dilemma.

Kathy

Sealurk
May 27th, 2011, 02:56 AM
I'm 99% sure at the end of the previous season Rory acknowledged that he is made of plastic, and he has said that he has the memories of those 2000+ years, but how come no one mentioned it in this ep? I was waiting for Rory to bring it up when Amy was getting angry at him for going after Jennifer, he's helping not only because he is an awesome person (unlike Amy who says she loves him but gives him a 5 second CPR then gets bored) but also because he is made of plastic too! I really hope this is mentioned next episode otherwise it's a huge continuity error.

I did like this episode and I didn't notice the pacing problem as others did, most likely because I was too obsessed with the Rory-plastic dilemma.

Kathy

I got the impression he's back to being flesh and blood fully human Rory again, since the Doctor managed to close the cracks and restore the universe, but for some timey-wimey, spacey-wacey reason he retains two millennia of memories from a bizarre alternate reality in his human form.

When Amy remembers the Doctor in The Big Bang, I think Rory can be heard muttering "I was made of plastic" shortly before or after the TARDIS materialises. However, I agree that his memory of being plastic should have been explicitly brought up, unless there is a story reason for it. Maybe it would be too complicated to recap and explain to the Gangers.

"I understand what you're going through because I was plastic for two thousand years, and a Roman in a dying universe to boot, but I got better when the Doctor kickstarted a second big bang and now I'm human again." I think the Gangers would be backing away slowly at this point.

Zeratul
May 27th, 2011, 05:30 AM
Preety sure Rory became flesh and bone when the universe rebooted, he just kept his conscience from before and remembers everything from the 2000 years he waited.

TryWhistlingThis
May 28th, 2011, 05:28 AM
A terrific episode. Brilliantly performed, fantastic tone that was dark and gloomy, a good story which a strong subtext but sadly a very predictable cliffhanger. In fact, i'd say it's the most predictable cliffhanger in the new series sadly. But I look forward to seeing where it goes next week. Not sure what the kids would have made of it, but i'm not concerned, I was getting far too much out of it. I'm glad there's a little bit more in it for the adults this year, that's at least how it feels to me anyway.

4 out of 5

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
July 14th, 2011, 04:28 AM
Who was watching The Doctor, Amy and Rory when they first arrived? The camera movements made it seem like someone was hiding behind the wall watching them... Also The Doctor gave the impression that he had been there before. When they were talking about arriving there being an accident, Amy said "We've never been here before, we came here by accident".. And the Doctor replied " Yes.... by accident" (but not really -added by PH)

Spoilers for past and future episodes and general rambling nonsense :D
Is he the slightly in the future Doctor from after Demons Run? I have a theory that the Doctor we've been watching up to this point is the Doctor who left in the TARDIS at the end of "A Good Man Goes to War" He was a year older than Amy expected him to be in The Impossible Astronaut and on the scene on the beach there was someone watching them in the background.. maybe the same someone watching them in this episode. The Doctor also said he was following another lead while looking for the girl in the Oval Office. The only thing stopping my "there are really three Doctors in this season (four including the ganger Doctor) is how do they switch back? But if the "our time" Doctor is also on the island with the slightly in the future Doctor he could have switched back in the scene where everyone is unconscious..

End of rambling nonsense :p

kadosho
August 7th, 2011, 12:27 PM
I was wondering if anyone would ever bring that theory up. I remember that segment very well. And often wondered if it was possible to contain more than one Doctor in the same universe.

Nth Chevron
August 19th, 2011, 05:44 AM
Actually i think the being in the shadows in "The Big Bang" -

watching from behind the sarcophagus, is River, because in the season 6.5 trailers there is a screen shot, for all of 1.5 seconds, of River wearing an eye patch and standing infront of an aged and dirtied white looking sarcophagus, that appears to be the same on you see the shadowy figure hiding behind in the aborted timeline, how they manage to pull that off with that timeline no longer in existance is beyond me.

Unless it has something to do with flashbacks.

N.C

maneth
June 12th, 2013, 10:17 AM
Cool episode. I really like these two parters. Creepy too!