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April 18th, 2011, 07:29 AM
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<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s6/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE CURSE OF THE BLACK SPOT</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3203 (603)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">The Doctor and his companions are drawn to a pirate ship adrift on still waters in the middle of the ocean, threatened by a beautiful siren who is claiming them one by one.</DIV>
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Teddybrown
May 7th, 2011, 10:48 AM
Great episode
Nice to see that his son did survive in the end.
Also nice to see that he got go on his own new adventure
This woman with the eye patch... Who is she?? Seems shes going to be like the cracks last season... quick shots here and there, small snippets of information...
Also looks like Amys pregnancy test will be an ongoing theme, it obviously concerns the Doctor
Overall, a slight step down in suspence from last weeks episode (but thats to be expected), but still keeping the standard high

Nest weeks episode looks interesting
The Ood are back!! =)
But I think it will be a one off episode, I dont think
The voice that says Ive killed hundreds of Timelords is going to be related to the Big Bad
Or maybe it will be a set up episode for the big bad
Have to wait till next week

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 7th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Great episode
Nice to see that his son did survive in the end.
Also nice to see that he got go on his own new adventure
This woman with the eye patch... Who is she?? Seems shes going to be like the cracks last season...
Also looks like Amys pregnancy test will be an ongoing theme, it obviously concerns the Doctor
Overall, a slight step down in suspence from last weeks episode (but thats to be expected), but still keeping the standard high

Nest weeks episode looks interesting
The Ood are back!! =)
But I think it will be a one off episode, I dont think
The voice that says Ive killed hundreds of Timelords is going to be related to the Big Bad
Or maybe it will be a set up episode for the big bad
Have to wait till next week

I agree with all of this.

Just want to emphasise though. Great stand alone (and very clever) episode. The use of colour for the 'Siren', the medical cyan colour very common of hospitals. Loved it!

Roll on next week!

Zarius
May 7th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Excellent episode with a wacy sci-fi twist on what looked like a pedestrian historical yarn. Didnt see the twist with the siren being an EMH coming. No real threat this week, just that classic Who trope of misunderstandings and investigations...very spooky and engaging. Plus we got more of Eyepatch Lady

And yes, the sinister voice in Gaiman's episode is a one-off character called "House", no connection to the big bad, the whole thing seems more like Lungbarrow on Acid.;)

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
May 7th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Eyepatch Lady said "You're doing fine, you're doing just fine" or something to that effect.. And if that was followed by "I'm going to need you to push, on three"... it wouldn't seem completely out of place..

Eyepatch Lady is a midwife :eek: Which would fit with the pictures of Amy with a baby and the whole is she/isn't she pregnant storyline.. The one thing that doesn't quite fit is why the TARDIS is taking so long to confirm it. I know it's for dramatic effect and to keep people guessing, but it really shouldn't take so long!

Is it possible for Amy to be dreaming the current adventures while in some hospital with pirate-themed midwives? Or is she both there and in the TARDIS at the same time? The TARDIS can't get a definite answer because both answers are true..

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 7th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Eyepatch Lady said "You're doing fine, you're doing just fine" or something to that effect.. And if that was followed by "I'm going to need you to push, on three"... it wouldn't seem completely out of place..

Eyepatch Lady is a midwife :eek: Which would fit with the pictures of Amy with a baby and the whole is she/isn't she pregnant storyline.. The one thing that doesn't quite fit is why the TARDIS is taking so long to confirm it. I know it's for dramatic effect and to keep people guessing, but it really shouldn't take so long!

Is it possible for Amy to be dreaming the current adventures while in some hospital with pirate-themed midwives? Or is she both there and in the TARDIS at the same time? The TARDIS can't get a definite answer because both answers are true..

I'm having similar thoughts. Just gonna copy and paste a post I just made on fb;


My brother's girlfriend thinks she's Amy's future midwife (which would explain how she always peeking in like a nurse and saying things like 'You are doing so well! Keep going!'), but I don't thinnk Amy's pregnant with the Doctor's child. I think the Silence implanted her with something as she was trapped in their lair for 'many days' (Day of the Moon), maybe a hybrid of human/Time Lord DNA - That's why the TARDIS scanner is having a hard time determining it lol whatever it is could be giving her visions of the eye patch lady, making her (and the viewers) think she's pregnant.

Draygon
May 7th, 2011, 12:12 PM
One word:

Pirates.

Now three words:
PiratesIN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!

That is all :D Hope we at least get to hear of them again! :P

Teddybrown
May 7th, 2011, 01:11 PM
Eyepatch Lady said "You're doing fine, you're doing just fine" or something to that effect.. And if that was followed by "I'm going to need you to push, on three"... it wouldn't seem completely out of place..

Eyepatch Lady is a midwife :eek: Which would fit with the pictures of Amy with a baby and the whole is she/isn't she pregnant storyline.. The one thing that doesn't quite fit is why the TARDIS is taking so long to confirm it. I know it's for dramatic effect and to keep people guessing, but it really shouldn't take so long! Is it possible for Amy to be dreaming the current adventures while in some hospital with pirate-themed midwives? Or is she both there and in the TARDIS at the same time? The TARDIS can't get a definite answer because both answers are true..

I thought that too after rewatching the scene, after seeing all these pregnant theories and it just seems like something all midwives say when someones giving birth, and also, the white background is kinda hospitalish

And for those who are interested here are 2 clips from episode 4

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gszmg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gszls

Also, Im just trying to figure out the secret message on the Doctor Who site from episode 3, theres been one after episodes one and two on the fourth dimension page

EDIT:The message has already been posted, but Ill put it here too
All the secrets you seek can be found here on the Webb.
We found your message! You're alive! But what secrets d'you mean my friend?
I mean I glimpsed him! and May the gods help him or perhaps you can

Those are from the first 3 episodes

pbellosom
May 7th, 2011, 01:30 PM
I liked this episode, but there's not really much to say about it now it's done.

One point that bugged me and the friends I watched it with. There were two pirates in the mutiny, one got cut and the other ran off with the treasure only to burn himself. What happened to the other one? He seemed to disappear from the episode until the end, was there a scene where the Siren got him that somehow me and my friends all blanked?

Also, I don't understand why the Siren was keeping all the crew members, surely she should've let them go after she cured them?

Draygon
May 7th, 2011, 01:32 PM
Also, I don't understand why the Siren was keeping all the crew members, surely she should've let them go after she cured them?
What better way to keep them safe than to keep them in the hospital so they don't get hurt/injured/sick again?

Teddybrown
May 7th, 2011, 01:39 PM
What do you think the Doctor meant when he said to Amy there was something outside the ship staring at him, before he shouted mount the sails

Also, Im rewatching the episode now and your right pbellosom, from what I can see, the other pirate just disappears...

pbellosom
May 7th, 2011, 01:44 PM
What do you think the Doctor meant when he said to Amy there was something outside the ship staring at him, before he shouted mount the sails


I thought it was the Siren (I keep wanting to call her the Silence) staring through the windows of her ship




Also, Im rewatching the episode now and your right pbellosom, from what I can see, the other pirate just disappears...

So we weren't imagining it, good I'm glad we're not crazy. So was that a truly epic continuity error with a cut scene, or are we to expect the involvement of the Silence?

sparklegem
May 7th, 2011, 01:49 PM
What do you think the Doctor meant when he said to Amy there was something outside the ship staring at him, before he shouted mount the sails


The Doctor was sensing the alien ship in the alternate plane--this was explained when they were in the alien ship and realizing that the reflections were actually portals into other plane.

Teddybrown
May 7th, 2011, 01:57 PM
The Doctor was sensing the alien ship in the alternate plane--this was explained when they were in the alien ship and realizing that the reflections were actually portals into other plane.

Yeah, thats probably what it was, I was thinking more on the side of is that a hint of something else being out there watching them that will be revealed later
We will have to wait and see on that

Also, on the disappearing man, I dont think that was the silence, but it could be one of those where your left thinking it was a continuity error, but then it turns out it was all planned, because has Moffat ever made a continuity error??
Just because its rare for Moffat to make a continuity error, Im going to go with it being something to be answered later, but I cant think how it would be answered
I cant decide yet whether its a continuity error or planned, so we will just have to wait and see

Nth Chevron
May 7th, 2011, 02:21 PM
As for why the Siren didnt let the people go, she didnt know HOW to cure them, no knowledge of human physiology.

Good episode though, have to admit, lady patch-eye made me jump, imagine if she pulls back a TARDIS wall??

N.C

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 7th, 2011, 02:24 PM
I liked this episode, but there's not really much to say about it now it's done.

One point that bugged me and the friends I watched it with. There were two pirates in the mutiny, one got cut and the other ran off with the treasure only to burn himself. What happened to the other one? He seemed to disappear from the episode until the end, was there a scene where the Siren got him that somehow me and my friends all blanked?


I had a problem with this too. It's like his character just disappeared from the rest of the episode without explanation.

KyshaMalini
May 7th, 2011, 02:26 PM
Also, Im rewatching the episode now and your right pbellosom, from what I can see, the other pirate just disappears...

He injured himself on his light when he ran off. The siren took him before The Doctor could get in the room. There was a glow under the door the same colour as the siren.

pbellosom
May 7th, 2011, 02:32 PM
He injured himself on his light when he ran off. The siren took him before The Doctor could get in the room. There was a glow under the door the same colour as the siren.

W're not talking about him. We're talking about the other one, the one who Toby cuts and thus has to stay in the (at the time believed to be safe) powder room. He just disappears and then crops up again in the final scene as if he'd been taking by the Siren, but it was never even implied that happened.

Matt G
May 7th, 2011, 03:01 PM
1. First impression, Dr Who does pirates.

2. Second impression, Siren is from an alternate dimension.

3. Could a 21st century woman really duel effectively with 17th century pirates?

4. Could 17th century pirates fly a spaceship?

OK but not awesome.

pbellosom
May 7th, 2011, 03:09 PM
3. Could a 21st century woman really duel effectively with 17th century pirates?


17th century pirates who are terrified of having blood drawn armed with a stick while she has a sword? I'll give Amy the benefit of the doubt

Teddybrown
May 7th, 2011, 03:16 PM
1. First impression, Dr Who does pirates.

2. Second impression, Siren is from an alternate dimension.

3. Could a 21st century woman really duel effectively with 17th century pirates?

4. Could 17th century pirates fly a spaceship?

OK but not awesome.

Yeah, I thought that, but as pbellosom said, they were scared of drawing blood...

jameshawking
May 7th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Good episode, but I'm annoyed by how the smacked us upside the head with a quick recap of the plot so far.

Guys, it was only a week ago. Seriously.

Also, I just noticed something:

David Tennent started as Casanova, and Matt Smith owes Casanova a chicken.

Yes, I am slow.

Frankly, this episode was interesting, but it unfortunately got sandwiched between the first two-parter and the....seemingly much more epic episode next, with Time Lords, the voice that killed hundreds of them, and badassery abounding.

Side-note: could these pirates be the forebearers of those in "The Coming of the Terraphiles"?

rosey_angel
May 8th, 2011, 06:06 AM
awesome episode. i too noticed the mysterious disappearing pirate and was wondering about the sword fighting, but it makes sense that they wern't fighting hard because they didn't want to get too close to her coz then they'd die.

i like the idea that the eye patch woman is amy's future/present midwife, i didn't even think of that! top banana

Teddybrown
May 8th, 2011, 06:50 AM
Just thinking about the first time we saw eye patch lady, and the idea of her being Amys midwife, why would she say 'No, I think shes just dreaming'?, would a midwife say that? What would that mean?

Ian-S
May 8th, 2011, 07:15 AM
I'm also sure she said something like "Stay calm and you'll be fine", I don't remember her saying anything about needing to push?

Maybe the disappearing pirate ended up on the cutting room floor (old techy speak for the scene being cut) something as simple as that, last time The Moff made a continuity error was the photo's on the wall in Amy's bedroom that changed halfway through a scene.

jameshawking
May 8th, 2011, 11:35 AM
Also:

Anyone else think that it would be pretty cool for this episode to have at least had a reference to "Sister of Mine"?

sparklegem
May 8th, 2011, 03:48 PM
Also:

Anyone else think that it would be pretty cool for this episode to have at least had a reference to "Sister of Mine"?
Yeah, that would have been really cool.



Just rewatched the episode, and I have to say, despite all the practical and logical problems, the last 5 minutes of the episode have to be some of my favorite of Eleven, Amy, and Rory's so far in terms of character moments. Despite Rory's dying being repetitive at this point, I was much more worried about Rory here than in Amy's Choice or the Silurian episode just because the emotion (for Amy and the Doctor) and cinematography was done so much better in this instance.

Also, the little exchange they all have at the end was to die for (the whole "Good night Amelia" "Good night Doctor"). They were all so perfectly in character: the loving playfulness between Amy and Rory, the familiar formality between Amy and the Doctor, the cross fatherly aloofness of the Doctor toward Amy as he tries to figure out what's wrong with her behind her back...

If we could have more character moments like this, I would be in heaven.

Replicator Todd
May 8th, 2011, 09:29 PM
Loved this episode. Pirates in Doctor Who is fantastic. :cool: I loved the Siren idea, she looked really cool (kinda reminded me of the White Witch's appearance in Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader movie for some reason). Her face sure grew distorted when she was angry! Cool to see the pirates(apparently) in space in the end. Would be neat to see them again far down the line.

The eye-patch lady is very odd. But I'm trying not to guess who she is as I want to be completely surprised.

Next week looks like another winner!

Crlx
May 8th, 2011, 09:36 PM
In my opinion i think the little girls is the Doctors daughter.
but the Tardis say's she is and she isn't so this could mean It may happen or not just a guess. time isn't always set, it's always changing you never know. so far the season is looking good :)

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 9th, 2011, 08:36 AM
W're not talking about him. We're talking about the other one, the one who Toby cuts and thus has to stay in the (at the time believed to be safe) powder room. He just disappears and then crops up again in the final scene as if he'd been taking by the Siren, but it was never even implied that happened.

I agree. It's a bit plotholey.

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 9th, 2011, 08:39 AM
Also:

Anyone else think that it would be pretty cool for this episode to have at least had a reference to "Sister of Mine"?

Could have done with a reference, not that anyone other than the Doctor and the audience would have got it (although he did repeat 'Are you my mummy?' whilst wearing a gas mask in the Sontaran two-parter in Series 4). Also remember that Sister of Mine wasn't imprisoned in the mirrors until the early 20th century. This episode is set 300 years prior.

ijffdrie
May 9th, 2011, 03:51 PM
Frankly, while I enjoyed the episode, I had some troubles with a few points with the plot. The one I was the most annoyed by was the fact that when first entering the space-ship, the doctor is able to throw something through the window which lands on the boat, despite there being no reflective surface on the deck of the ship
The props for the jewelry were subpar, normally something which I'd be okay with, but in this ep, they were clearly not reflective.
Some dude vanished. Poor soul.
Amy does about a minute of cpr at the ending before giving up. This despite Rory having lain in the water for less than a minute before getting picked up by the siren. This means he has more than 5 minutes left before he'd start taking notable brain damage (2 minutes of air and then 3 minutes before notable brain damage).
The death-by-snot felt odd, because the aliens had an overactive nurse on board, which should have been able to either stasis them or cure them.

Also, i'm pretty sure the ship was not from an alternate universe, but just out of phase, quantum-linked, one second out of sync, dimensionally sunk, ethereal, post-material, one with the dreamworld or something else like that. Alternate universes are apparently hard to get to in DW nowadays, so probability suggests something else made it be in one place.

Cold Fuzz
May 9th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Loved this episode. Pirates in Doctor Who is fantastic. :cool: I loved the Siren idea, she looked really cool (kinda reminded me of the White Witch's appearance in Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader movie for some reason). Her face sure grew distorted when she was angry! Cool to see the pirates(apparently) in space in the end. Would be neat to see them again far down the line.

The eye-patch lady is very odd. But I'm trying not to guess who she is as I want to be completely surprised.

Next week looks like another winner!

I wouldn't be surprised if we see the pirates pop again later this season to actually help out the Doctor and his companions.

Replicator Todd
May 9th, 2011, 07:41 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we see the pirates pop again later this season to actually help out the Doctor and his companions.

I like to stay away from spoilers, but it would be neat to see them again so soon!

WingedPegasus
May 9th, 2011, 07:58 PM
The pirates in space were fun at the end. :D Delightfully anachronistic. :P

The Flyattractor
May 10th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Amy does about a minute of cpr at the ending before giving up. This despite Rory having lain in the water for less than a minute before getting picked up by the siren. This means he has more than 5 minutes left before he'd start taking notable brain damage (2 minutes of air and then 3 minutes before notable brain damage).
The death-by-snot felt odd, because the aliens had an overactive nurse on board, which should have been able to either stasis them or cure them.

.

Well you also have to remember that The HoloNurse wasn't "smart" enough to figure out that if she took the water out of Rory's lungs that he would get better.

SaberBlade
May 10th, 2011, 03:39 PM
Well you also have to remember that The HoloNurse wasn't "smart" enough to figure out that if she took the water out of Rory's lungs that he would get better.

The Nurse wasn't created for humans, so didn't know how to properly heal them. Same thing happened with the child in season 1 who'd only say "are you my mummy". They had no idea how to heal humans without proper programming. Small stuff like cuts the Nurse could do, but big stuff like diseases and drownings she couldn't. It's how the original crew died to begin with, human diseases. There is a chance that the original crew gave up their medical rights for treatment in an attempt and wasn't able to save them, just like Amy deciding to remove Rory.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
May 10th, 2011, 04:16 PM
I don't know about this episode it was ok I suppose.

The Best Line was when they first went into the sick bay.

Amy: Rory!
The Captain: Toby!
The Doctor: The TARDIS!

It kept me guessing all the way though.

Sealurk
May 13th, 2011, 05:12 AM
Can't believe I haven't posted in here yet!

Not a bad episode, all in all. Hugh Bonneville seemed to be having fun playing a pirate, I liked the slight continuation of the idea that mirrors are gateways to other places that Family of Blood touched upon and the whole idea that the Siren wasn't evil but simply something good taken out of the context of her normal surroundings was an interesting and welcome development. Also, would I be right in saying that is another episode where 'everybody lives'?

Nth Chevron
May 14th, 2011, 07:35 AM
Except the aliens on the crashed ship :P

N.C

Sealurk
May 14th, 2011, 07:58 AM
Except the aliens on the crashed ship :P

N.C

Ah yes, good point, hadn't considered them. Damn my occasional speciesist tendencies!

gateship15
May 24th, 2011, 06:24 AM
this is a good episode. it was just a interesting concept. the siren being a computer program was a great twist

Coco Pops
June 12th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Did I miss something?

How did the Pirate and the boy (I think his son) get freed from the Nurse and the sick bay to fly the ship? I think it was the same ship the sick bay was in too wasn't it? How did they get free of the nurse?

Lily Cole was nice as the nurse too. I liked her angry face

mi_guard
October 18th, 2011, 12:18 PM
The Doctor: Ignore all my previous theories!
Amy: Yeah, well we stopped paying attention a while back.

:)

maneth
June 7th, 2013, 08:54 AM
Weird episode, but I loved the alien twist.