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April 18th, 2011, 07:24 AM
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<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s6/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE IMPOSSIBLE ASTRONAUT</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 3201 (601)</FONT>
<DIV STYLE="margin-top:10px; padding:0;">An older, more concerned Doctor summons Amy, Rory and River Song to witness a startling event, sending them to America in the year 1969 — perhaps to try and stop it from happening. Meanwhile, Amy is confronted by a terrifying alien with the power to erase all memory of the encounter.
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Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 10:43 AM
I just couldnt wait for the thread to open lol

OMG That was awesome!!!
So cant wait for next week!
So it was the future Doctor that dies...
And the Silence!! Bloody hell, they were pretty creepy! Another great creation by Moffat!
Their ability is actually quite frightening lol, one look away and you forget about them...
Great to see the Lodger Tardis is back, its probably not the Silences, and I think that will be one of the unanswered questions...
Doctor Who is back!!

Whats going to happen to them all?
Does Amy shoot the Astronaut? Argh!! I cant wait for next week!

Gateworld Mods, merge this with your thread when it opens please =)

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 23rd, 2011, 10:45 AM
And it answered a question from the last season :cool:

The Silence :eek: Definitely the creepiest aliens in Doctor Who...

.......Is it next week yet?

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 10:46 AM
Loved it, but did see Amy's pregnancy a mile off.

"You've put on weight but I wasn't going to say anything."

And then her frantic need to get to the toilet.

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 10:47 AM
And it answered a question from the last season :cool:

The Silence :eek: Definitely the creepiest aliens in Doctor Who...

.......Is it next week yet?

What question was answered, I must have missed that

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 23rd, 2011, 10:48 AM
What question was answered, I must have missed that

From The Lodger..

pbellosom
April 23rd, 2011, 10:49 AM
Not sure what current spoiler policy is, so I'll spoiler it all.

Well that was totally awesome. I'm still guessing that River is the Doctor's killer and that was her in the suit, though obviously Matt Smith wont be the last Doctor so this is one of those instances where time can be rewritten.

What about the girl though? Who is she? Right now I'm thinking Amy's Daughter or a young River (dashing awesome man swooping into her life to save her and knowing all about her) or even they're the same person. Given that Amy is now pregnant in the season we are told River's identity will be revealed, I'm leaning heavily towards the River is Amy's daughter theory now, though it's only episode 1 so I could abandon it still.

Is the next episode next week? I remember all sorts of rumours that it'd be Easter Sunday, but I guess that was not to be.

In all my ranting about the awesome, I'd completely forgotten about the return of the Lodger TARDIS (cue pause button for me to explain to my terminally forgetfull family what it was), I'm assuming it doesn't belong to the Silence. If they had one of their own to blow up, why use the Doctor's? Though given that he's going to die in the future, perhaps his TARDIS does end up being the Lodger one afterwards.

Talking of the Silence. Wow. I found them terrifying, though none of my family did. What's everyone elses opinion on them?

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 10:49 AM
From The Lodger..

Sorry, Im still not with you...
I know thats the Tardis from the Lodger, but what does it answer?

pbellosom - I thought the Silence were great, some really creepy bits with them
And their ability to make you forget is chilling... One look away and you forget all about them

Puddle-Jumper
April 23rd, 2011, 10:54 AM
.......Is it next week yet?

I don't think so.. Ill check my calendar :(

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 10:56 AM
The Elizabeth Sladen bit at the beginning was nice, but whens the 15 minute programme dedicated to her? I couldnt find it on any channels, so ill have to iplayer it, like ill be iplayering Doctor Who later lol

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 23rd, 2011, 10:58 AM
Sorry, Im still not with you...
I know thats the Tardis from the Lodger, but what does it answer?

pbellosom - I thought the Silence were great, some really creepy bits with them
And their ability to make you forget is chilling... One look away and you forget all about them

The Silence TARDIS.. It seems unlikely that it belongs to another alien race when The Silence were all around it.. they were in the present and the past, everywhere the Doctor went.. it seems reasonable to assume it belongs to them.. or at least that they've commandeered it and are using it for.. whatever they're using it for.. before they fall...

Or since they fell :eek: The other TARDIS did want to leave.. so maybe this one does too.. :weiranime42:

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 10:59 AM
Not sure what current spoiler policy is, so I'll spoiler it all.

Well that was totally awesome. I'm still guessing that River is the Doctor's killer and that was her in the suit, though obviously Matt Smith wont be the last Doctor so this is one of those instances where time can be rewritten.

What about the girl though? Who is she? Right now I'm thinking Amy's Daughter or a young River (dashing awesome man swooping into her life to save her and knowing all about her) or even they're the same person. Given that Amy is now pregnant in the season we are told River's identity will be revealed, I'm leaning heavily towards the River is Amy's daughter theory now, though it's only episode 1 so I could abandon it still.

Is the next episode next week? I remember all sorts of rumours that it'd be Easter Sunday, but I guess that was not to be.

In all my ranting about the awesome, I'd completely forgotten about the return of the Lodger TARDIS (cue pause button for me to explain to my terminally forgetfull family what it was), I'm assuming it doesn't belong to the Silence. If they had one of their own to blow up, why use the Doctor's? Though given that he's going to die in the future, perhaps his TARDIS does end up being the Lodger one afterwards.

Talking of the Silence. Wow. I found them terrifying, though none of my family did. What's everyone elses opinion on them?

They really reminded me of something from Buffy for some reason - a twisted Whedon-style design. Liked them!

As for the identity of the little 'girl', well, didn't Nixon tell the BSG/Firefly guy that it was in fact a little boy? Younger Nixon maybe? Wibbly Wobbly timey wimey and all of that? I initially thought, before the kid stepped out in the end, that the boy was going to be Rory (somehow turned infant by the Silence) and that their reference to 'the little girl' was going to be another joke by Moffat at the character's expense (him screaming like a girl).

The Doctor said in the NEXT TIME preview that they were going to lead a 'revolution', not a battle as he would perhaps normally say, against the enemy and River, in this ep, says that the tunnels stretch all of the way under the Earth. A revolution can only be fought against those in control by my understanding, and I am therefore presuming that the Silence have been influencing humanity for a very long time (controlling the major powers maybe) via use of that TARDIS-looking machine (originally from the Lodger). Maybe rewatching The Lodger itself will reveal some clues.

Definitely approved of it as a series opener though. Brilliant! Just gutted that we have to wait another week now, and even more gutted that it's taking a haitus in six weeks until Autumn :(

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 11:04 AM
The Silence TARDIS.. It seems unlikely that it belongs to another alien race when The Silence were all around it.. they were in the present and the past, everywhere the Doctor went.. it seems reasonable to assume it belongs to them.. or at least that they've commandeered it and are using it for.. whatever they're using it for.. before they fall...

Or since they fell :eek: The other TARDIS did want to leave.. so maybe this one does too.. :weiranime42:

Oo, alright, I thought you meant it answered something else
We will hopefully find out next week who it belongs to, but I reckon it could be a part of a bigger story
Why would the Silence abandon it at that James Cordens characters house though?
Looking forward to next weeks episode
Who else found the Silences ability to make you forget chilling? I really want to see more of them now.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 23rd, 2011, 11:05 AM
Oo, alright, I thought you meant it answered something else
We will hopefully find out next week who it belongs to, but I reckon it could be a part of a bigger story
Why would the Silence abandon it at that James Cordens characters house?
Looking forward to next weeks episode

They make you forget as soon as you look away.. who says they abandoned it? :p

Draygon
April 23rd, 2011, 11:05 AM
Oh wow, theories already abound! :P Let me add my own ;)I somehow don't think Amy is actually pregnant. Given that she was feeling sick and had those stomach pains after seeing the aliens or thinking about them, and then River was feeling ill in the tunnel as well, makes me think that its something caused by the aliens themselves.

Still interesting though the other theories :D

Likes:
- Rory's new nickname :P 'Rory the Roman'
- Best alien defence mechanism ever seen
- Daaaaaaaaark! So much darker!
- "You think you can just shoot me?
THEY'RE AMERICAN'S!"
- "RIVER MAKE HER BLUE AGAIN!!"
- Swearing on fishfingers and custard


Dislike:
THE CLIFFHANGER FOR NEXT WEEK! AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 11:09 AM
Rewatched the scene to make sure. Canton says 'The little girl?'

To which Nixon replies 'Boy.'

Nixon knows more than he is letting on. Just hope the Doctor got that info down on his makeshift journal when he was making notes.

Draygon
April 23rd, 2011, 11:13 AM
Rewatched the scene to make sure. Canton says 'The little girl?'

To which Nixon replies 'Boy.'

Nixon knows more than he is letting on. Just hope the Doctor got that info down on his makeshift journal when he was making notes.

Admittedly, he thinks the child is saying her name when she reads out the street signs, hence why he thinks its a boy.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 23rd, 2011, 11:15 AM
Rewatched the scene to make sure. Canton says 'The little girl?'

To which Nixon replies 'Boy.'

Nixon knows more than he is letting on. Just hope the Doctor got that info down on his makeshift journal when he was making notes.

He replied "Boy" and then waited for what sounds like the child giving their name.. It sounds like he's just making an assumption based on the name. Jefferson isn't a girl's name after all.

And then The Doctor said it was definitely a girl's voice..

kirmit
April 23rd, 2011, 11:17 AM
Rewatched the scene to make sure. Canton says 'The little girl?'

To which Nixon replies 'Boy.'

Nixon knows more than he is letting on. Just hope the Doctor got that info down on his makeshift journal when he was making notes.

Yeah but the doctor later says Canton is right and it is a little girl.

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 11:21 AM
Also, Amy says 'I remember!' when first confronted by the Silent in the restroom.

It must be something to do with the finale of last series, when the Doctor only returned to the universe when Amy remembered him (a memory that forced him back into existence). We know that the Silence were responsible, or at least took credit for, blowing up the TARDIS but if Amy knows something about them, hidden in the same place of her mind where the memory of the Doctor was (until she unleashed it at her wedding), then maybe it all revolves around her.

Also Moffat said in the series intro that 'They're about to fight a battle they've just forgotten about' which is a careful choice of words, which we know he's a genius at anyway. But I think something happened between Series 5 and 6 that is really relevant here (and I don't mean A Christmas Carol), or at least something happened in the Big Bang two at the end of last series that we weren't shown.

Also Moffat has to cover another hundred years of the Doctor's life in the next episode if he is going to solve the future Doctor's death (as he and River were a lot more up-to-date with each other's adventures then), unless of course he is saving it for the Autumn series finale - Meaning that we're gonna be drip fed throughout the series about it.

I did love the references to previous episodes and series; :D

"One day he'll look me in the eyes and he will have no idea who I am, and I think it'll kill me!" - Call out to River's first appearence in Series 4 with the Tenth Doctor

The Lodger machine (speculated to be a TARDIS or a makeshift TARDIS)

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 11:22 AM
Yeah but the doctor later says Canton is right and it is a little girl.

So why would Nixon say it?

I really doubt it would even be in the dialogue if it weren't relevant someho, unless Nixon had some hearing deficiency in his presidency that is widely known in real life and Moffat was merely giving it a call out.

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 11:23 AM
He replied "Boy" and then waited for what sounds like the child giving their name.. It sounds like he's just making an assumption based on the name. Jefferson isn't a girl's name after all.

And then The Doctor said it was definitely a girl's voice..

If that's true then I completely misinterpreted.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 23rd, 2011, 11:26 AM
So why would Nixon say it?

I really doubt it would even be in the dialogue if it weren't relevant someho, unless Nixon had some hearing deficiency in his presidency that is widely known in real life and Moffat was merely giving it a call out.

He assumes it's a boy because of the name. Jefferson Adams Hamilton. And it's relevant because it's how they find the location the girl is calling from.

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 11:27 AM
He assumes it's a boy because of the name. Jefferson Adams Hamilton. And it's relevant because it's how they find the location the girl is calling from.

Thanks. Understand it better now.

:D

Alan
April 23rd, 2011, 11:40 AM
:eek: Wow oh wow!!!!!! How cool was that!!!!! Shocks and questions aplenty!!!!!! :cool:

Sealurk
April 23rd, 2011, 11:42 AM
Blimey! Only just saw it thanks to my satellite blinking out three minutes in, but wow!

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 23rd, 2011, 11:44 AM
The girl in the spacesuit.... She's clearly not big enough to fill a full size spacesuit. So any ideas about how she was walking in it?

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 11:47 AM
I definately think this whole story wont be resolved in next weeks episode, I can see this setting up a whole lot of unanswered questions
So many funny lines in this episode, ncie to have some laughs in such a dark story
Also, nice to see River lending a helping hand in the Tardis again

I dont think Amy is pregnant, because this could be what the Silence wanted Amy to tell the Doctor about and when she came out, she only remembered she had to tell the Doctor something, also we saw River having the same symptoms too
I think it was just to get Amy away from the rest of the group, so the Silence could have a one on one with her

I dont think the Silences powers or relevance has been fully revealed, I think Moffat has a lot of tricks up his sleeve for them.
They are already awesome though, the ability to disintegrate someone, and make you forget about them as soon as you turn away from them. I wonder if their forgetting power works on the Doctor, hes the only one that hasnt seen him yet.
As someone else has said before me, I wonder how long theyve been around and whether theyve been influencing Earths development as no one would remember them

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 23rd, 2011, 11:49 AM
Just going to point out that the machine that might be a TARDIS might not be a TARDIS after all. No one ever says that. What they do notice is that it's bigger on the inside and has a console device, but the Genesis Ark was bigger on the inside and we never saw inside of that. Maybe it had one too. Maybe it's a custom of all bigger-on-the-inside tech.

With that in mind and Moffat's wonderful ability to refer back to previous episodes . . . It's possible that the Lodger 'TARDIS' may in fact be a prison ship, a broken one from the looks of things, and that the Silence were an enemy in the Time War (perhaps like the Could Have Been King and his army of Never Were's). If they were a great enemy then it would explain two things;

1) How they managed to somehow control and blow up the TARDIS and . . .

2) How in one of the Series 6 trailers we hear a voice tell the Doctor: 'Fear me! I've killed hundreds of Time Lords!'

Of course that's a jump on my part, but I do love speculation after a good ol' DW series opener :D :D :D I missed it!

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 11:49 AM
Blimey! Only just saw it thanks to my satellite blinking out three minutes in, but wow!

Wow, unlucky!
I was worried id miss it, I got a cracking strom going on outside and my box was playing up, but it survived through the episode

Sealurk
April 23rd, 2011, 11:50 AM
So...wait, has Rory died again? Is he going for the Daniel Jackson record, or has something completely different happened to him? Assuming of course that something actually happened to him since we didn't quite see it on screen.


Wow, unlucky!
I was worried id miss it, I got a cracking strom going on outside and my box was playing up, but it survived through the episode

That must be what took mine out - got some interference, it froze and then just turned itself off after five minutes of doing nothing and not responding to anything. I was not pleased. :(

knowles2
April 23rd, 2011, 11:57 AM
So they killed the doctor. So what, everyone knows it will be undone by the end of the season or when ever Matt decides to retire from the role. Disappointing really. Would have been better if they recast the Doctor, then it would have been more real.

An Amy is the cause of the Doctor death as she shot the astronaut, That how it going to turn out.

Overall a pretty meh. The reports that this was going to be dark was let down, it was no darker than what we saw last season.

The Silence may an alright enemy but they just did not seem real and they also seemed over hype. I mean all that thunder and lightening to kill a single human being, come on, some one has powerful as they making out the silence to be and they have to put all that effort into killing some lonely secretary.

Nixon was not to bad, through I would have thought someone in his position would have been well brief on the Doctor anyway, either by UNITE or his own intelligence agency. After all they have got that massive bunker where they store all the Aliens artefacts and so fourth called Area 51.

Overall a 7, and that being generous. Again the show is let down by not going far enough and being to over the top in many places. There a thing for being a bit subtle every now and again.

The only thing I really like was the fact that Amy pregnant and the possibility it opening up stories in the future.

Alan
April 23rd, 2011, 12:34 PM
Okay...now I've had some time to assimilate the awesomeness that is the first part of The Impossible Planet I think I can say what I need to say...THAT. WAS. BRILLIANT!!!! I can see things getting far darker from here on out!!!! I can't wait!!!!!

I was totally shocked by the Doctor's death within the first few moments of the story. Wow oh wow. So...is the Doctor's eleventh incarnation really his last? Is the Doctor's fate really set and that IS the end? The Doctor dies in America? If so will we see the in-between 200-years of adventures with companions other than Amy and Rory in future series to come? Plenty of questions...look forward to the answers to come.

Who is that child and how did he end up in that astronaut suit? How did the astronaut end up with such powers so it could kill the Doctor and is it indeed the same child from 1969 only now grown-up in 2011?

The Time Engine from The Lodger is back...assuming it is the same Time Engine. What is it doing there and does it have links to the Silence?

The Silence are obviously capable of killing on a whim and find it gives them pleasure and judging by what we learned in the last series they can kill on a massive scale. What and who are the Silence exactly and what are their goals? What do they want Amy to tell the Doctor? Did they mean what she tells him towards the end of Part 1 or do they mean something else altogether?

Amy's pregnant?! I wish I were the father. Is Rory actually the father?

Who is River Song? The Doctor first met her in Silence in the Library...but when and how did River first meet the Doctor?

What's happened to Rory? Have the Silence killed him?

Lots and lots of questions and we've been left on a hell of a cliffhanger....cannot wait for Part 2 next Saturday to get that resolved and for every story that follows this 2-parter to get the answers!!!!

GERONIMO!!!!!

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 01:04 PM
Just going to point out that the machine that might be a TARDIS might not be a TARDIS after all. No one ever says that. What they do notice is that it's bigger on the inside and has a console device, but the Genesis Ark was bigger on the inside and we never saw inside of that. Maybe it had one too. Maybe it's a custom of all bigger-on-the-inside tech.

With that in mind and Moffat's wonderful ability to refer back to previous episodes . . . It's possible that the Lodger 'TARDIS' may in fact be a prison ship, a broken one from the looks of things, and that the Silence were an enemy in the Time War (perhaps like the Could Have Been King and his army of Never Were's). If they were a great enemy then it would explain two things;

1) How they managed to somehow control and blow up the TARDIS and . . .

2) How in one of the Series 6 trailers we hear a voice tell the Doctor: 'Fear me! I've killed hundreds of Time Lords!'
Of course that's a jump on my part, but I do love speculation after a good ol' DW series opener :D :D :D I missed it!

I dont think they are the voice that says fear me Ive killed hundreds of Time Lords, the voices sounded different to me. Ill have to rewatch the trailer and this episode.

EDIT: Just rewatched the part with Amy and the Silence in the toilet, and the trailer, and I dont think its the Silence that says the fear me.

And as for the possibility that Rory could be dead, he doesnt stay dead for long because we see him

in the pictures released with episodes 3 and 7
Episode 7 picture has him standing infront of the Cybermen in Roman wear and the synopsis for episode 7 mentions him

I personally dont think Rorys dead.
We will have to wait and see...

EDIT: Rorys in the trailer alot so I dont think hes dead...

SaberBlade
April 23rd, 2011, 02:20 PM
I didn't know it was on today, I thought it was tomorrow.

BBC iPlayer, here I come.

--

10 minutes in and Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god.

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 02:54 PM
You know the man in chains and has a beard in the trailer, is it me or does that look like the Doctor?
Episode 2 looks awesome!!!

Heres the trailer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gk4mb

And 2 clips
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gk4lg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gk4l1

Not very spoilery, just explains the markings on them and that they feel sick when they see them.
Clip 2 makes me think the next episode will be creepier than the first episode

Matt G
April 23rd, 2011, 03:04 PM
1. HMFS! They can't possibly let that come to pass!

2. What the hell are these creatures exactly?

3. It explains why Amy and River were seemingly taking charge of the Dr in the trailers.

4. Why the hell did the Dr invite Canton to his wake? Purely because he was involved with the 1969 incident?

Certainly an interesting start.

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 03:10 PM
1. HMFS! They can't possibly let that come to pass!

2. What the hell are these creatures exactly?

3. It explains why Amy and River were seemingly taking charge of the Dr in the trailers.

4. Why the hell did the Dr invite Canton to his wake? Purely because he was involved with the 1969 incident?
Certainly an interesting start.

Probably to get River, Rory and Amy to go to 1969, and hes involved with the Spaceman

Also, is it just me or did the Doctor Who site release 2 spoiler photos this morning, heres the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110423_01/Unmissable_The_Next_24_Hours

Sealurk
April 23rd, 2011, 03:22 PM
Well...now that I've watched it a couple of times and had time to digest it a bit better (and download it from iPlayer so I don't have to keep waiting for it to buffer), I like it.

The Doctor's death - yeah, that's never going to stick, we all know that, but it's certainly a clever and very well done shock tactic to leave us guessing and get us engaged. I know that I for one entertained the possibility that it was a shock regeneration and we'd be introduced to the/a Twelfth Doctor...but only for about three seconds.

Why is the Doctor two hundred years older? Where was 'old' Eleven's TARDIS left after he was shot and killed mid-regeneration?

The Silence/Silents...interesting. Their pseudo-perception filter ability is very interesting and typical of Moffat's genius. I wonder though if Joy and Rory are actually dead, or if the Silence are necessarily evil - at least all of them. Why was one of them so keen to catch Amy's attention and talk to her? Could they in fact need the Doctor's help? The Moff is unusually good at misdirection, so could the fact that everybody is reacting negatively to these creatures without actually knowing anything about them another instance of that?

Nixon...eh. Not remotely convincing, sorry. From all the photos and stock footage I've seen, he just doesn't seem to resemble him that well.

Mark Sheppard, always good. Badger, Romo Lampkin, and so far I think Canton Everett Delaware III is my favourite.

New TARDIS abilities? Has the TARDIS been invisible or landed silently before (other than River's VWORP-less landing in Time of Angels...)?

Is Amy really pregnant?

SaberBlade
April 23rd, 2011, 03:26 PM
Great start, but I felt it started to slow down towards the end. Loved the dialogue though. I'll be using spoilers until it airs in the US even if someone of them happened to fall on their keyboard and it appears on their screen like magic.

"I got in here with a big blue box, three friends, do you think you can just shoot me"
"THEY'RE AMERICANS"
"oh god, don't shoot, don't shoot".

Amy's pregnancy was a bit predictable, instantly thought of it she started to feel sick. I thought I may have been wrong the same feeling happened to River but I felt I was probably right.

The little girl Astronaut was interesting, but I think ending using Amy taking a shot at her was a bad way to end the episode, as we saw River do it earlier in the episode with no effect. What I really did love was River talking about how she and the Doctor keep going backwards, and that eventually she'd meet him and he wouldn't know her, which would kill her. She of course meant emotionally kill her, but the fact she dies physically was a great reference to the Library.

Empress Vajnraa
April 23rd, 2011, 03:29 PM
Alright, I thought this was very good. But, someone refresh my memory, where in the episode does it tell us that the Asgard looking gray aliens are the Silence?

Alan
April 23rd, 2011, 03:29 PM
Well...now that I've watched it a couple of times and had time to digest it a bit better (and download it from iPlayer so I don't have to keep waiting for it to buffer), I like it.

The Doctor's death - yeah, that's never going to stick, we all know that, but it's certainly a clever and very well done shock tactic to leave us guessing and get us engaged. I know that I for one entertained the possibility that it was a shock regeneration and we'd be introduced to the/a Twelfth Doctor...but only for about three seconds.

Why is the Doctor two hundred years older? Where was 'old' Eleven's TARDIS left after he was shot and killed mid-regeneration?

The Silence/Silents...interesting. Their pseudo-perception filter ability is very interesting and typical of Moffat's genius. I wonder though if Joy and Rory are actually dead, or if the Silence are necessarily evil - at least all of them. Why was one of them so keen to catch Amy's attention and talk to her? Could they in fact need the Doctor's help? The Moff is unusually good at misdirection, so could the fact that everybody is reacting negatively to these creatures without actually knowing anything about them another instance of that?

Nixon...eh. Not remotely convincing, sorry. From all the photos and stock footage I've seen, he just doesn't seem to resemble him that well.

Mark Sheppard, always good. Badger, Romo Lampkin, and so far I think Canton Everett Delaware III is my favourite.

New TARDIS abilities? Has the TARDIS been invisible or landed silently before (other than River's VWORP-less landing in Time of Angels...)?

Is Amy really pregnant?

The answers to all those questions you asked will undoubtedly be answered in Part 2 and all the stories that follow but the one I can answer...the one in bold...yes. In the 1968 story The Invasion the Doctor made the TARDIS invisible and in the 1964 story The Dalek Invasion of Earth, the TARDIS materialised without the usual "VWORP VWORP" sound.

Sealurk
April 23rd, 2011, 03:36 PM
Ah, yes, spoilers! Post suitably edited...

Moffat definitely loves phones that can't ring ringing - didn't that happen a lot in The Empty Child? Very spooky though, can't argue with that.

Some brilliant lines. "Why would anyone want to trap us?" "Dunno. Let's see if anyone tries to kill us and work backwards."

"Lifesigns?" "No, nothing that's showing up." "Those are the worst kind..."

"Rory, would you mind going with her?" "Yeah, a bit." "Then I appreciate it all the more." Got to love Moffat's writing.

My first thought on seeing the aliens in the tunnels was actually 'Ood!', and it did briefly occur to me that they could be related in some way, but I now think it's too much of a leap.

Sealurk
April 23rd, 2011, 04:00 PM
Speculation for next week's episode / spoiler based on the Next Time trailer:
Did anybody else notice that Amy, Rory and River seem to have things hanging around their necks, vaguely similar (couldn't find a decent enough shot) to the perception filters used by the Tenth Doctor, Martha and Jack in The Sound of Drums? Maybe altered to cancel out the alien's own perception filter effect?

Teddybrown
April 23rd, 2011, 04:33 PM
Speculation for next week's episode / spoiler based on the Next Time trailer:
Did anybody else notice that Amy, Rory and River seem to have things hanging around their necks, vaguely similar (couldn't find a decent enough shot) to the perception filters used by the Tenth Doctor, Martha and Jack in The Sound of Drums? Maybe altered to cancel out the alien's own perception filter effect?

Just rewatched the clip, you get a good look at one around Rorys neck and it doesnt look like what they used in The Sound of The Drums. Also, Amy is wearing one and River does in the trailer but not in the clip, so I dont know what they are for specifically, we should find out next week.
Also, River isnt wearing one (but in the trailer she is seen wearing one) and in the clip she doesnt have one on but
she remembers them, so I dont think they work on memory

In the clip
They can remember the Silence, but they cant remember what they look like

The clip is after they mark themselves I think because they mention that

Most of these questions should be answered next week =)

sparklegem
April 23rd, 2011, 04:43 PM
Loved it, but did see Amy's pregnancy a mile off.

"You've put on weight but I wasn't going to say anything."

And then her frantic need to get to the toilet.

Really? I felt like the episode purposefully linked Amy's sickness to the aliens rewriting her memory, not to a possible pregnancy. I got this impression because the first time that River sees the aliens down in the tunnel, she comes back up and feels like she is sick, just like Amy did after she say the aliens.

Edit: Oh, sorry, I see now that a couple of people have already made this point.

Loved River's little tragic speech about her future. It could have been cheesy since it verged on being overwritten, but it turned out really well.

I have the same question as a previous poster: how do we know that these are the Silence? Gosh, I feel like I have to rewatch a few episodes from series 5.


Matt Smith's mannerisms just kill me. Like, in the diner when Amy was walking in circles around him and he was effortlessly gliding in a circle to follow her. SO TALENTED.

Anyway, bloody amazing episode.

Ian-S
April 23rd, 2011, 04:52 PM
^ me too.

I had to LOL at the Men in Black look for The Silence.

Also wonder if the "Silence will Fall" that we've been hearing for what seems like forever, actually means "The Silence will Fall from power or grace" etc. etc. and not what we all assumed it meant.

Clem
April 23rd, 2011, 05:16 PM
Here's who I think the Astronaut is...

River Song.

Why?

Because if you watch the scene where she empties her gun firing at the astronaut, she mumbles "no...of course not".

She knows she couldn't hit the target, because she's already survived it!

Clem
April 23rd, 2011, 05:41 PM
Also, my theory behind the future Doctor's death...

It HAD to happen and he knew it.

He's willingly gone to his death because he knows it's vitally important to the timelines of those closest to him - Amy, Rory and River.

If he changes established events by saving himself, he's forfitting River's past and Amy & Rory's future.

This has NOTHING to do with the Silence or the Tardis from "The Lodger".

It may've taken him two hundred years to work up the courage to intentionally get himself killed, but he's done it with the best of intentions.

SaberBlade
April 23rd, 2011, 06:25 PM
Here's who I think the Astronaut is...

River Song.

Why?

Because if you watch the scene where she empties her gun firing at the astronaut, she mumbles "no...of course not".

She knows she couldn't hit the target, because she's already survived it!

I thought she may be the Astronaut, especially with her talk of having killed someone very important as the crime she committed. Killing the Doctor in such a fashion would explain a lot. The only problem I have with this, it would mean she's spent most of her life in prison for unknown years until at least 5145 (when the Pandorica was opened, so chances are she'd have to be teleported through time or be immortal) for a crime committed during 2011. In the early trailers, she did apologise that he'd learn who she is. Perhaps she is the one who ultimately kills him and he will find out.

Weird poetic irony, he's always known how she'd die, and she's always known how he'd die (but of course, he'll have to survive).

sparklegem
April 23rd, 2011, 07:43 PM
Also, my theory behind the future Doctor's death...


It may've taken him two hundred years to work up the courage to intentionally get himself killed, but he's done it with the best of intentions.

I think you've put this very well. As he put it, he was running more than he had before--200 years of running from death before he had to face it.

Spimman
April 23rd, 2011, 08:55 PM
Awesome episode, can't wait for next week!

Those aliens reminded me of the movie "Dark City" was what I think it was called, those suits made The Silence even creepier, awesome!

the-alguroan
April 23rd, 2011, 08:55 PM
anyone else remember the vastha nervada and how they used the space suits, thats honestly what i thought when she said the space man is gonna eat me?

Cold Fuzz
April 23rd, 2011, 09:34 PM
I just finished watching it. I was transfixed by virtually every minute of the episode. Absolutely brilliant! :D

I knew Mark Sheppard was signed on for this season but having him appear in the very first episode (looks like a recurring character at that) was great. A very nice touch was having W. Morgan Sheppard, Mark's dad, play the older Canton Delaware. Having Mark also narrate the series 5 recaps and the commercial interludes brought good vocal gravity for introducing us to series 6.

The soundtrack was already a strong presence to my ears in listening to this episode. Murray Gold's series 5 soundtrack wonderfully burned certain themes into my ears and I loved hearing them recapped and transformed for the premiere.

I have loads of theories about what's coming but I'm letting "The Impossible Astronaut" soak in for a while before I start posting them.


Awesome episode, can't wait for next week!

Those aliens reminded me of the movie "Dark City" was what I think it was called, those suits made The Silence even creepier, awesome!

:indeed: I thought "The Eleventh Hour" was a strong debut for Matt Smith and had me pleasantly surprised at what to expect for the new Doctor. "The Impossible Astronaut" was that performance boosted substantially.

DigiFluid
April 23rd, 2011, 09:40 PM
Wow, wow, wow. First Fringe was awesome last night, now this, and Treme returns tomorrow. What a fantastic weekend for TV :D


One of the biggest highlights for me was the Doctor introducing Amy, Rory, and River in the Oval Office: "The legs, the nose, and Mrs. Robinson." River: "Oh I hate you"

MattSilver 3k
April 23rd, 2011, 09:42 PM
What Spim, Fuzz and Digi said. Mind-readers, the lot of them.


One of the biggest highlights for me was the Doctor introducing Amy, Rory, and River in the Oval Office: "The legs, the nose, and Mrs. Robinson." River: "Oh I hate you"


That. Was so lulzy. In fact, I never really liked the flirty stuff between River and The Doctor so much before now. Helps that Amy's married, I suppose.


The soundtrack was already a strong presence to my ears in listening to this episode. Murray Gold's series 5 soundtrack wonderfully burned certain themes into my ears and I loved hearing them recapped and transformed for the premiere.

That little riff will never get old, and I loved the little modifications.

Ulkesh47
April 23rd, 2011, 10:05 PM
I just finished watching it. I was transfixed by virtually every minute of the episode. Absolutely brilliant! :D

...

A very nice touch was having W. Morgan Sheppard, Mark's dad, play the older Canton Delaware.

...

:indeed: I thought "The Eleventh Hour" was a strong debut for Matt Smith and had me pleasantly surprised at what to expect for the new Doctor. "The Impossible Astronaut" was that performance boosted substantially.
- I'm with you there, definitely.

- Yeah, that didn't register with me until after finishing it, but that is indeed a nice touch.

- Matt Smith for me has been consistently brilliant as the Doctor, with this episode being no exception... but why oh why did the hair styling people have to condition his hair? I'm nitpicking, but I have to if I'm going to find fault in this episode.

Cold Fuzz
April 23rd, 2011, 10:46 PM
I thought she may be the Astronaut, especially with her talk of having killed someone very important as the crime she committed. Killing the Doctor in such a fashion would explain a lot. The only problem I have with this, it would mean she's spent most of her life in prison for unknown years until at least 5145 (when the Pandorica was opened, so chances are she'd have to be teleported through time or be immortal) for a crime committed during 2011. In the early trailers, she did apologise that he'd learn who she is. Perhaps she is the one who ultimately kills him and he will find out.

Weird poetic irony, he's always known how she'd die, and she's always known how he'd die (but of course, he'll have to survive).

Looks like you have one of the same theories I do about River. I remember she told the Doctor that she killed "a good man." One of the episode titles for series 6 is "A Good Man Goes to War." I don't think that's a coincidence and I'm certain that "good man" refers to the Doctor.

kcatlantis
April 23rd, 2011, 11:04 PM
I just want to know how he undoes his death.

Flyboy
April 24th, 2011, 02:41 AM
Ok - seriously guys, this has been asked twice in this thread and no one has picked up on it.

Where on Earth has it actually been stated that these MIB creatures are 'The Silence' or is this all just fanon!?

DigiFluid
April 24th, 2011, 02:50 AM
Ok - seriously guys, this has been asked twice in this thread and no one has picked up on it.

Where on Earth has it actually been stated that these MIB creatures are 'The Silence' or is this all just fanon!?
Besides being pretty heavily implied just in how they interact with humans, Marnix Van Den Broeke is credited in the end credits as "The Silent".

kirmit
April 24th, 2011, 03:02 AM
One of my favourite bits was when Nixon and Canton noticed the doctor in the oval office and he just continued writing in his pad, that was an lol moment for me.

Zarius
April 24th, 2011, 03:18 AM
Looks like you have one of the same theories I do about River. I remember she told the Doctor that she killed "a good man." One of the episode titles for series 6 is "A Good Man Goes to War." I don't think that's a coincidence and I'm certain that "good man" refers to the Doctor.

I disagree, that's the OBVIOUS answer and Moffat doesnt do obvious. The good man is NOT The Doctor.

Blencathra
April 24th, 2011, 04:01 AM
I've finally calmed down enough after last night's episode to write something that doesn't involve loads of OMGs!!! and *Squeee!!* :D

I loved LOVED it! Steve Moffat you are a genius!

Fave bits

- The Doctor being in a Laurel & Hardy film
- The Doctor & River comparing matching diaries, though I think the Doctors has the seal of Rassilon on the cover.
- Easter Island! I'd love to see Jim the Fish.
- I did not suspect it would be the Doctor who died in a million years. My money was on Amy.
- Doctor/River flirting
- the Silent. Really creepy! My daughter hid behind a cushion while watching it & even then I had trouble getting her off to sleep last night.
- Love the idea that you can't remember them if you can't see them.
- River's talk with Rory was so touching. That it will kill her when the Doctor can no longer remember her. Poor River!

And so many wonderful quotes!!

- "She's doing it again. Doctor Song sir, She's packing.".
- "I just had to get my special straw"
- "I'm being extremely clever up here and there's no-one to stand around looking impressed. What's the point in having you all?"
- "Ohhh this is the Oval office, I was looking for the...Oblong office."
- "The legs, the nose & Mrs Robinson"
- River (In the TARDIS): "I hate him." The Doctor (outside on the floor): "You don't!"
- "So you've got a blue box that travels through time and space, how long have Scotland Yard had one of those?!'
- "I'm quite the Screamer. Now there's a spoiler for you...." (Moff you norty man!!)
- "...and Doctor Song, you've got that face on again" "What face?" "The 'hes hot when he is clever face'." "This is my normal face" "Yes it is"
- The Doctor & River flirt. Canton: "So, what's going on?" The Doctor: We're just friends!" Rory: "...I think he's talking about the possible alien incursion."
- "Nice wheels."
- "Brave heart, Canton" (Nice nod to Five there, I thought)

So excellent episode. I'm giving it a personal 9/10.

I'm so looking forward to next week!!

Draygon
April 24th, 2011, 04:28 AM
While discussing the Silents with mum, she noted how they held a resemblance to Edvard Munch's "The Scream (http://www.edvard-munch.com/Paintings/anxiety/scream_3.jpg)" painting.

Really random fan theory now...Could Munch have seen and painted a Silent? :P

Sg1_fan
April 24th, 2011, 04:34 AM
Really good episode, I'm just trying to figure out looking at the screencaps if the astronaut could be one of the main cast, but there's only the lips as reference.

What do you guys think?

Teddybrown
April 24th, 2011, 05:22 AM
Ok - seriously guys, this has been asked twice in this thread and no one has picked up on it.

Where on Earth has it actually been stated that these MIB creatures are 'The Silence' or is this all just fanon!?

Well, they have been named the Silence on the BBC website and Moffat confirmed we would see them in these episodes so im pretty confident they are.

Also, just watched this episode again and the trailer for next weeks episode, it looks like the Silence dont have reflections in mirrors.

@ Sg1_fan - I was trying to get a good shot of when the astronaut lifted its helmet, but I think thats probably the best we will get. From looking at the line that could be the lips, I dont think its any of the main characters, but they may not even be lips

Blencathra
April 24th, 2011, 05:40 AM
I don't think too much emphasis should be put on the pic of the astronaut. On DW Confidential they showed that it was the stunt man who was inside the suit.

I've been wondering if the Silents and the Silence are two separate things. :confused:

webxro
April 24th, 2011, 05:48 AM
OK here is something to beat the silence , well at least their forgeto-thing (maybe they are related to weeping angels , considering that they involve something seeing them ) .

Ok my solution , radios , just communicate trow then when they see something strange .

Teddybrown
April 24th, 2011, 05:56 AM
I don't think too much emphasis should be put on the pic of the astronaut. On DW Confidential they showed that it was the stunt man who was inside the suit.

I've been wondering if the Silents and the Silence are two separate things. :confused:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/The_Silence

Thats the Doctor Who character page for The Silence
That kinda confirms that these guys are The Silence, havent heard of the Silents

DigiFluid
April 24th, 2011, 06:00 AM
Besides being pretty heavily implied just in how they interact with humans, Marnix Van Den Broeke is credited in the end credits as "The Silent".

^

Flyboy
April 24th, 2011, 06:06 AM
Alright, hands in the air, you're all right. :)

Teddybrown
April 24th, 2011, 06:13 AM
Lol, I just read a bit too much of a spoiler someone posted in the series 6 speculation thread and now know who is actually in the space suit :(
Oh well, stopped reading as soon as I realised the synopsis was going into part 2, but I do now know who the spaceman is. And a little of what happens in Part 2

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
April 24th, 2011, 06:28 AM
Very good episode, I didn't like the first 20 mins found it a bit boring but when they got to where the girl was calling from I started to enjoy it a lot. I am not a 'massive' fan so I didn't get most of the references to other episodes.

200 years is a long time so maybe this is actually the death of the Doctor but that would mean smith has to play the Doctor for ages or DW is coming to an end.

I thought Amy was getting sick because of the silence thing but it does seem a silly plot point to add on a whim.

Overall very good stuff.

DigiFluid
April 24th, 2011, 06:43 AM
I doubt the pregnancy is a 'whim' decision. I don't think Karen Gillan is pregnant in real life, so that makes it a deliberate plot point which will undoubtedly have some future payoff.

pbellosom
April 24th, 2011, 06:50 AM
Has the TARDIS been invisible or landed silently before

End of Time he cloaked it




Also wonder if the "Silence will Fall" that we've been hearing for what seems like forever, actually means "The Silence will Fall from power or grace" etc. etc. and not what we all assumed it meant.

I like that.

I really hope we get to encounted Jim The Fish at some point, he sounds awesome. Though I am imagining Beta George from Angel.


I doubt the pregnancy is a 'whim' decision. I don't think Karen Gillan is pregnant in real life, so that makes it a deliberate plot point which will undoubtedly have some future payoff.

I'm leaning heavily towards this being because the baby is River

Billz
April 24th, 2011, 06:55 AM
It was a great episode, but now, I can't wait until "Day Of The Moon" where the Doctor is technically going to cross into the time line of his previous incarnation.

If you remember, back in "Blink", the Tenth Doctor and Martha went and saw the Moon landing live several times. Now, the Eleventh Doctor wants to see it. Wouldn't that cause a paradox, and seeing as how the Moff wrote both those episodes, leads me to think that he has a story device hidden up his sleeves.

Can't wait. :D

pbellosom
April 24th, 2011, 07:02 AM
Also, why oh why did they not bring the Doctor his fez? :(

DigiFluid
April 24th, 2011, 07:05 AM
I'm leaning heavily towards this being because the baby is River
Interesting. Not much to support it at this point IMO, but interesting just the same.


It was a great episode, but now, I can't wait until "Day Of The Moon" where the Doctor is technically going to cross into the time line of his previous incarnation.

If you remember, back in "Blink", the Tenth Doctor and Martha went and saw the Moon landing live several times. Now, the Eleventh Doctor wants to see it. Wouldn't that cause a paradox, and seeing as how the Moff wrote both those episodes, leads me to think that he has a story device hidden up his sleeves.

Can't wait. :D
Nah. If the TARDIS can cloak, they could have visited the Moon landing as many times as they liked without ever being visible or interacting :)

P-90_177
April 24th, 2011, 07:07 AM
Definately one of the best series openers of all time.

So much awesome you can't write it down.

I'm certainly leaning towards the idea that the Silence are not the big bad from the series.

"Silence will fall" from the end of series 5 would imply that they are going to be defeated and that causes something even worse to occur. It is hard to say though. Either way it'l certainly be interesting.

One thing I can point out to everyone here.........stop trying to guess what's going to happen next...............ultimately you're almost surely going to be wrong.

DigiFluid
April 24th, 2011, 07:09 AM
One thing I can point out to everyone here.........stop trying to guess what's going to happen next...............ultimately you're almost surely going to be wrong.

Pfft. Where's the fun in that? ;)

Sealurk
April 24th, 2011, 07:14 AM
It was a great episode, but now, I can't wait until "Day Of The Moon" where the Doctor is technically going to cross into the time line of his previous incarnation.

If you remember, back in "Blink", the Tenth Doctor and Martha went and saw the Moon landing live several times. Now, the Eleventh Doctor wants to see it. Wouldn't that cause a paradox, and seeing as how the Moff wrote both those episodes, leads me to think that he has a story device hidden up his sleeves.

Can't wait. :D

As long as he doesn't actually run into himself, he might be fine, and since the Eleventh will remember where he was each time he and Martha went to watch it he should be able to keep the group out of trouble. Besides, it may depend whether they're going to watch the launch, or the landing. There's about three days difference if I remember correctly.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
April 24th, 2011, 07:19 AM
Digi, I just meant Amy saying she was pregnant would be a silly plot point to add if it wasn't true. I just wouldn't make sense.

BloomGate
April 24th, 2011, 07:35 AM
Awesome episode. Seriously looking forward to next week.

Just a few niggling issues from an American. They are probably on the level of "The buckles on the shoes of the guy in the opening sequence would not have been worn in that time period" (just an example to show how ridiculous my nigglings are - I really have no clue about historical shoes)

1. In 1969, there would not have been any dark skinned members of the Secret Service. (The guys that protect the President) Not only would there not have been any, but had there been any, they most certainly wouldn't have been in charge and speaking to the President directly. All I'm saying is that it's historically inaccurate and created a failure in suspension of disbelief for me - for about 30 seconds.

2. I can't imagine any possible reason why an empty school bus would be driving across the desert in the middle of nowhere to drop them off. It's not like one would be heading that way and they just caught a lift.

3. The weather in Utah in late April is a bit colder than the clothes they are wearing. With highs in the mid 50s F (13 C) and lows in the low 40s F (4 C) I think Rory might want to wear a bit more than short sleeves and short pants.

They DID get quite a bit right though. The Oval office looked very well done, and River was right that they would shoot him if they thought he was a threat.

I absolutely LOVED the episode though. I just nitpick everything. :)

Teddybrown
April 24th, 2011, 07:41 AM
Awesome episode. Seriously looking forward to next week.

Just a few niggling issues from an American. They are probably on the level of "The buckles on the shoes of the guy in the opening sequence would not have been worn in that time period" (just an example to show how ridiculous my nigglings are - I really have no clue about historical shoes)

1. In 1969, there would not have been any dark skinned members of the Secret Service. (The guys that protect the President) Not only would there not have been any, but had there been any, they most certainly wouldn't have been in charge and speaking to the President directly. All I'm saying is that it's historically inaccurate and created a failure in suspension of disbelief for me - for about 30 seconds.

2. I can't imagine any possible reason why an empty school bus would be driving across the desert in the middle of nowhere to drop them off. It's not like one would be heading that way and they just caught a lift.

3. The weather in Utah in late April is a bit colder than the clothes they are wearing. With highs in the mid 50s F (13 C) and lows in the low 40s F (4 C) I think Rory might want to wear a bit more than short sleeves and short pants.

They DID get quite a bit right though. The Oval office looked very well done, and River was right that they would shoot him if they thought he was a threat.

I absolutely LOVED the episode though. I just nitpick everything. :)

Lol, I do that with other shows
Didnt really care though in Doctor Who, but I didnt think of those lol

Flyboy
April 24th, 2011, 07:45 AM
Awesome episode. Seriously looking forward to next week.

Just a few niggling issues from an American. They are probably on the level of "The buckles on the shoes of the guy in the opening sequence would not have been worn in that time period" (just an example to show how ridiculous my nigglings are - I really have no clue about historical shoes)

1. In 1969, there would not have been any dark skinned members of the Secret Service. (The guys that protect the President) Not only would there not have been any, but had there been any, they most certainly wouldn't have been in charge and speaking to the President directly. All I'm saying is that it's historically inaccurate and created a failure in suspension of disbelief for me - for about 30 seconds.

2. I can't imagine any possible reason why an empty school bus would be driving across the desert in the middle of nowhere to drop them off. It's not like one would be heading that way and they just caught a lift.

3. The weather in Utah in late April is a bit colder than the clothes they are wearing. With highs in the mid 50s F (13 C) and lows in the low 40s F (4 C) I think Rory might want to wear a bit more than short sleeves and short pants.

They DID get quite a bit right though. The Oval office looked very well done, and River was right that they would shoot him if they thought he was a threat.

I absolutely LOVED the episode though. I just nitpick everything. :)

I did raise an eyebrow at the Secret Service agent myself actually...

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 24th, 2011, 08:03 AM
3. The weather in Utah in late April is a bit colder than the clothes they are wearing. With highs in the mid 50s F (13 C) and lows in the low 40s F (4 C) I think Rory might want to wear a bit more than short sleeves and short pants.


Rory's English.. 13 C is a warm summer day here :p

P-90_177
April 24th, 2011, 08:07 AM
Pfft. Where's the fun in that? ;)

You're not here to have fun. You're here to sit quietly in the corner and wait for next weekend like a good Whovian. :P


I did raise an eyebrow at the Secret Service agent myself actually...

I swear the makers of Doctor Who do so enjoy doing things like that. I mean I really liked the agent. but it's just historically it's a bit off. But that's kinda good. It's kinda good to have something as silly as Doctor who give the finger to past faults such as racism. :P

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 24th, 2011, 08:09 AM
One thing I can point out to everyone here.........stop trying to guess what's going to happen next...............ultimately you're almost surely going to be wrong.

I'll let Darren know he can close the forum.. :rolleyes:

If we're not going to discuss the episode and come up with theories about what we think could happen next then what's the point of being here? :S

BloomGate
April 24th, 2011, 09:14 AM
Rory's English.. 13 C is a warm summer day here :p

I hear ya. I live in Chicago and try not to put on my actual winter parka until it gets to about 10 F (-12 C) because if you start wearing it too soon, when it hits -20 F (-29 C) you're really gong to feel the cold. :)

I was really waiting for someone to tell me that he can handle it because he's still part Auton. :P

BloomGate
April 24th, 2011, 09:17 AM
I did raise an eyebrow at the Secret Service agent myself actually...

I didn't think it would just be me.

pbellosom
April 24th, 2011, 09:26 AM
It is insane how quickly this came out:

http://store.qmxonline.com/My-Mysterious-Doctor-Poster_p_127.html

Blencathra
April 24th, 2011, 09:28 AM
LOL. I'll have to get one of those. :D

SaberBlade
April 24th, 2011, 09:58 AM
JFK had Abraham Holden, the first black Secret Service agent (Kennedy personally appointed him). So it's not out of the realm of possibility that Nixon may have had a black Secret Service agent but I will admit, he did come off as the episodes token racial minority character.


Rory's English.. 13 C is a warm summer day here :p

Plus it was filmed last July which means we're all lucky Rory and the others weren't filming everything naked. God knows how hot July in Utah gets.

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 24th, 2011, 10:02 AM
Critic reactions. (http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2011/04/dwn230411215008-impossible-astronaut.html)

Interesting mix of responses.

Colvile's review in particular made me aware of the parallels to previous Moffat episodes, and surprisingly when rewatching the scene when River groans about her future with the Doctor to Rory - I thought of Girl in the Fireplace;

- "My Doctor." (also used by Harriet Jones and other characters, but not in River's remorseful 'missed opportunity' tone)
- "Every time we meet I am closer to him and he is further away from me." - paraphrased because I can't recall the exact quote


I'm not saying they are related, but it did remind me of the episode. Especially since it is suggested that both River and Renette had 'more than friends' feelings for the Doctor.

Galileo_Galilee
April 24th, 2011, 10:31 AM
River Song was sick too, so I don't think it's a pregnancy. I think the sickness is some sort of reaction to the alien's abilities, and may be some sort of side effect to them.

You know the companion I'd like to see again?

The Doctor's granddaughter.

Susan Foreman.

I'd like to know what she's been doing.

Blencathra
April 24th, 2011, 10:54 AM
Something that idly crossed my mind while watching is that the aliens in the warehouse had left some sort of gooey secretion all over everything

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5228/5650480048_a26986d34d_z.jpg

which reminded me of The Eleventh Hour when Amy picked up the Doctor's sonic

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5182/5649915403_12d76bfda2_z.jpg
Prisoner Zero never struck me as being a particularly "oozy" type. :P

It's probably nothing. But fun to speculate. :)

P-90_177
April 24th, 2011, 11:13 AM
I'll let Darren know he can close the forum.. :rolleyes:

If we're not going to discuss the episode and come up with theories about what we think could happen next then what's the point of being here? :S


To discuss what we thought about the episode and enjoy eachothers company. :P

Besides I'm not saying not to come up with theories. I'm saying Moffatt is usually so off the wall that anything you do think off will more than likely, ultimately prove to be wrong. :P


Something that idly crossed my mind while watching is that the aliens in the warehouse had left some sort of gooey secretion all over everything

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5228/5650480048_a26986d34d_z.jpg

which reminded me of The Eleventh Hour when Amy picked up the Doctor's sonic

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5182/5649915403_12d76bfda2_z.jpg
Prisoner Zero never struck me as being a particularly "oozy" type. :P

It's probably nothing. But fun to speculate. :)

That's actually a pretty good point. But then again the Silence don't look to be particularly oozy either. However.......

We do know from the season 6 trailer that at some point Amy and Rory potentially find themselves back on the Old Tenth Doctors TARDIS potentially during his regeneration so it could be that The Silence have been effecting the Doctors life for quite some time.........

Having said that I'm fairly sure The Silence aren't going to be the big enemy that the Doctor has to face. They seem more like they could be lackies or just a stepping stone to someone or something alot bigger.

Teddybrown
April 24th, 2011, 11:48 AM
Something that idly crossed my mind while watching is that the aliens in the warehouse had left some sort of gooey secretion all over everything

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5228/5650480048_a26986d34d_z.jpg

which reminded me of The Eleventh Hour when Amy picked up the Doctor's sonic

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5182/5649915403_12d76bfda2_z.jpg
Prisoner Zero never struck me as being a particularly "oozy" type. :P

It's probably nothing. But fun to speculate. :)

The slimeness will be answered in Part 2
I accidentally read part of a synopsis for part 2 and that whole set up will be explained I think, or it will be implied

Also, pbellosom posted this in the Series 6 discussion thread
http://omfgerbear.tumblr.com/post/4512796851/sightings-of-the-silence-or-indications-of-their

Its a list of possible moments where the Silence could be sighted or indicated in series 5
Anyone want to check them out?

Billz
April 24th, 2011, 12:18 PM
It is insane how quickly this came out:

http://store.qmxonline.com/My-Mysterious-Doctor-Poster_p_127.html

I know a few fangirls who would kill to have that poster. :D

pbellosom
April 24th, 2011, 12:34 PM
Also, pbellosom posted this in the Series 6 discussion thread
http://omfgerbear.tumblr.com/post/4512796851/sightings-of-the-silence-or-indications-of-their


As stated in that thread there's another one in the Lodger at around 13:53 that the list maker seemed to miss. I'm fairly certain the Lodger ones are deliberate, but the Big Bang seems more likely to be one of the crew walking in front of the camera by accident.

P-90_177
April 24th, 2011, 12:56 PM
The slimeness will be answered in Part 2
I accidentally read part of a synopsis for part 2 and that whole set up will be explained I think, or it will be implied

Also, pbellosom posted this in the Series 6 discussion thread
http://omfgerbear.tumblr.com/post/4512796851/sightings-of-the-silence-or-indications-of-their

Its a list of possible moments where the Silence could be sighted or indicated in series 5
Anyone want to check them out?

I've checked all but the Lodger and Big Bang one. Certainly I can remember the bit from the Lodger because I've always thought it seemed a bit random. As was how Amy suddenly decided to mess with one of the TARDIS controls in The Eleventh Hour.

The one from the BEast Below I never noticed but it is so frightningly obvious when you see it.

The Victory of the Daleks example is a bit more vague. I'm not hundred percent convinced by that one.

sparklegem
April 24th, 2011, 01:29 PM
Thanks to everyone that made plain why we are calling the new aliens The Silence.



Also, pbellosom posted this in the Series 6 discussion thread
http://omfgerbear.tumblr.com/post/4512796851/sightings-of-the-silence-or-indications-of-their

Its a list of possible moments where the Silence could be sighted or indicated in series 5
Anyone want to check them out?


I've checked all but the Lodger and Big Bang one. Certainly I can remember the bit from the Lodger because I've always thought it seemed a bit random. As was how Amy suddenly decided to mess with one of the TARDIS controls in The Eleventh Hour.

The one from the BEast Below I never noticed but it is so frightningly obvious when you see it.

Wow, really interesting. The thing that makes these baddies so scary is the same thing that could lead us to potentially seeing them when they are not there. I completely agree that The Beast Below is very obvious. Not sure about the Eleventh Hour ones. For the Lodger, I thought it was just Amy looking at the phonograph horn and being disgruntled with the Doctor, but now that people have pointed out that Amy does the weird intake of breath thing twice in the episode, I'm more convinced that there is something to it. Plus, we now know that the Silence are somehow connected to the Lodger time engine.

With regard to the Big Bang, I initially thought those dark shapes behind the sarchophagi were just the stands holding the sarchophagi up, but in two frames when the camera is at roughly the same position, those dark things have moved--in the second frame you can see much more of a head shape. Plus, I don't think the black figure fluttering out of the frame was an accidental crew member--the show shoots enough takes of each scene that I would imagine they would never be in the position where they would have to include something like that. I can't believe I didn't see it before, but I am now kind of freaked out by those black figures.

I wonder how much explanation the actors got when filming these foreshadowing scenes--if they knew how they were going to play out in season 6 or if they were just told "act as if you suddenly see something startling, and then keep going about your usual business".

Teddybrown
April 24th, 2011, 01:34 PM
Thanks to everyone that made plain why we are calling the new aliens The Silence.
Wow, really interesting. The thing that makes these baddies so scary is the same thing that could lead us to potentially seeing them when they are not there. I completely agree that The Beast Below is very obvious. Not sure about the Eleventh Hour ones. For the Lodger, I thought it was just Amy looking at the phonograph horn and being disgruntled with the Doctor, but now that people have pointed out that Amy does the weird intake of breath thing twice in the episode, I'm more convinced that there is something to it. Plus, we now know that the Silence are somehow connected to the Lodger time engine.

With regard to the Big Bang, I initially thought those dark shapes behind the sarchophagi were just the stands holding the sarchophagi up, but in two frames when the camera is at roughly the same position, those dark things have moved--in the second frame you can see much more of a head shape. Plus, I don't think the black figure fluttering out of the frame was an accidental crew member--the show shoots enough takes of each scene that I would imagine they would never be in the position where they would have to include something like that. I can't believe I didn't see it before, but I am now kind of freaked out by those black figures.

I wonder how much explanation the actors got when filming these foreshadowing scenes--if they knew how they were going to play out in season 6 or if they were just told "act as if you suddenly see something startling, and then keep going about your usual business".

Times like these I really wish i had the DVDs now, so I could go back and rewatch these
Time to look on youtube!

P-90_177
April 24th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Yeah it made me wonder how much info they were given. But quite likely they were just told a certain way to act at a certain moment and they did it. They might not have any idea why.

pbellosom
April 24th, 2011, 01:39 PM
Found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wczbYfip4

Which is useful. The Beast Below could be one as could Vampires of Venice. I'm just slightly worried that this is going to be the photos on Amy's bedroom wall all over again as we mistake genuinely production mistakes for deliberate clues.

Definitely don't think much of the 11th Hour ones and Victory of the Daleks

Nth Chevron
April 24th, 2011, 01:41 PM
I have to say this is only the second DW episode EVER to physically creep me out.

The first being the end of TPO when all you see is supernova everything.

Its eerie how many disparate elements in this ep kind of blended together to form an uber protein shake of fear.

Imagine if the Moff was writing for SGU :S

N.C

Teddybrown
April 24th, 2011, 01:46 PM
Found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wczbYfip4

Which is useful. The Beast Below could be one as could Vampires of Venice. I'm just slightly worried that this is going to be the photos on Amy's bedroom wall all over again as we mistake genuinely production mistakes for deliberate clues.

Definitely don't think much of the 11th Hour ones and Victory of the Daleks

I think the Beast Below is definately one because in that clip, just before the next clip, theres the raspy noise that the Silence makes

The cloaked figures in the Big Bang... Maybe, but why would they be cloaked?

And the Tardis door, I dunno about that one...

The one in the Lodger, I think could be one, because Amy does look genuinely scared then fine

The one at the end of Eleventh Hour also looks like a genuine one too.

The rest, Im not too sure about them, some could be more than others.

I reckon Moffats had this story planned for a long long time...

@Nth Chevron, yeah this one kinda creeped me out too, it wasnt as scary as the first Angel episode,, that one was jumpy, this one was creepy

BloomGate
April 24th, 2011, 02:05 PM
JFK had Abraham Holden, the first black Secret Service agent (Kennedy personally appointed him). So it's not out of the realm of possibility that Nixon may have had a black Secret Service agent but I will admit, he did come off as the episodes token racial minority character.

Considering that JFK was an extremely liberal Democrat and Nixon was a conservative Republican, yeah, it's pretty much out of the realm of possibility. Granted, I don't remember the political climate in 1969, but the first election I DO remember was 1972. (I was 6 by then) A Republican would not be an activist for social change like that because it would have infuriated his political base.

Nth Chevron
April 24th, 2011, 02:37 PM
After reading the whole thread i have come up with a startling idea.

We've seen the Silent MAY have TARDIS like capabilities, so what if they became a dominant force in the Universe, taking Time by storm without the Time-Lords around.

At the end of Pandorica, you hear the phrase "silence will fall," what if the Silence is the leader of the Silent, and whomever blew the TARDIS up, created the total event collapse to wipe out The Silent/The Silence.

Also, a big shout out to the season 6 trailer;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vIsQ25Krq8

Unknown Voice - Fear me, i've killed hundreds of Time-Lords.
Doctor - Fear me, i've killed all of them.

Shows how much the Doctor has come to terms with his past.

N.C

P.S - Has anyone watched the freaking Silence trailers on the Silence' BBC page?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/characters/The_Silence

The first 2 are kind of more chilling than the ep itself

sparklegem
April 24th, 2011, 03:40 PM
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, so I'll just put this out there:

At the picnic the Doctor says, very somberly, "A lot more happens in 1969 than anyone remembers. Human beings, I thought I'd never get done saving you."

Now, I guess you could just interpret this as he knows he's going to die and therefore is done with saving them, but I feel like this "never get done saving you" ties directly into the events on the beach and in 1969. So the Doctor letting the spaceman kill him somehow saves the Earth?

immhotep
April 24th, 2011, 03:44 PM
So many theories buzzing around my mind. Finally calmed down and rewatched and processed it.

Loved it as an episode and even more as just a massive tempt for the rest of the season.

Theories abound:

Big one is that the child, amy and river are very very connected. Both River and Amy hurt at the same time. This could be a crossing of the timelines effect. That there are 3 rivers, the unborn child, the astronaut and her. Its possible that she has some level of immunity from the effects of crossing timelines due to her being such a prolific timetraveller.

Im not convinced by all of that myself. But I do think that either River is the astronaut and she kills the doctor later on in his timeline. OR That amy's child becomes the astronaut and uses time travel to manipulate the timelines after learning about it all in the future. Its possible that is also where the doctor's tardis went, she is using it against the silent.

As to the lodger tardis. I have a pretty good one about this. It is the Tardis, but one thats out sync with its own timeline. Which is why it couldnt materialise in the lodger, it would exist in the same period as itself. It killing people etc was a malfunction of it no longer having a timelord.

Another possibility is that its the valeyards tardis. As he was created between the 12th and 13 generation, and at least sometimes tardises also regenerate, it could just be another incarnation of the tardis at another point in history.

I think at some point the valeyard will appear, because were at the point where he should be created. This is the doctors 12th regeneration (the 10th used 2 remember, the hand still used the energy of regeneration even if he didnt change) So while we are on 11 doctors we are on 12 regeneration, so between this doctor and the doctor thats just been shot the valeyard has to be created.

Nth Chevron
April 24th, 2011, 04:09 PM
IF it is River in the Spacesuit, then that is VERY good writing and timing, because she was wearing a Space suit when D10 meets her for the first time, she is wearing a spacesuit the last time the Doctor ever see's her and she's wearing a space suit the first tie SHE ever sees the Doctor.

Timey wimey ..

N.C

kirmit
April 24th, 2011, 04:26 PM
IF it is River in the Spacesuit, then that is VERY good writing and timing, because she was wearing a Space suit when D10 meets her for the first time, she is wearing a spacesuit the last time the Doctor ever see's her and she's wearing a space suit the first tie SHE ever sees the Doctor.Timey wimey ..

N.C

I don't think it's her personally especially from spoilers I've heard.

sparklegem
April 24th, 2011, 06:48 PM
Is it just me, or does the lightning special effect that the Lodger time engine used to draw people to its console look really similar to the lightning effect that the Silent used to kill the woman in the White House's restroom?

Regarding those black figures hiding in The Big Bang, I know that black cloaked figures are pretty generic, but could be possibly be related to the black cloaked figures in this series 6 trailer at 0:05?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vIsQ25Krq8

senilegreen
April 25th, 2011, 01:46 AM
Considering that JFK was an extremely liberal Democrat and Nixon was a conservative Republican,[...] A Republican would not be an activist for social change like that because it would have infuriated his political base.

You're reading too much of 2011 politics into the late 60's. Remember, in the beginning the GOP was the "progressive" party, something that wasn't totally abandoned until Reagan.

JFK was a pretty mainline Democrat in many ways but with a progressive social bent, and while Nixon was a staunch anti-communist he was also sympathetic to federal programs to tackle the big issues of the day. In a sense, both were somewhat FDR types.

mr_kennedy
April 25th, 2011, 02:21 AM
Fantastic episode, as most series age they usually run out of ideas and become lame, but dr who just seems to be heating up, i mean its so much better than what it was when the 2005 series started

As for Amy, im not sure if she is pregnant or not, or if she is i think it could be a result of the silence, did you not notice River had the exact same stomach pains towards the end?

And did anyone notice they looked abit Oodish? wonder if theres something to that


IF it is River in the Spacesuit, then that is VERY good writing and timing, because she was wearing a Space suit when D10 meets her for the first time, she is wearing a spacesuit the last time the Doctor ever see's her and she's wearing a space suit the first tie SHE ever sees the Doctor.

Timey wimey ..

N.C

Ya know i always wondered if the doctor was the man she killed, but if so how would the people know that are holding her captive if it happened in 2011? unless she turned herself in?

Teddybrown
April 25th, 2011, 04:27 AM
I don't think it's her personally especially from spoilers I've heard.

Same, I have a very strong idea of who and what the spaceman is, if the synopsis i partly read is true, in fact Im almost positive, but I wont spoil it for people
PM me if you really want to know...

Spimman
April 25th, 2011, 05:38 AM
What did that Silence alien in the bathroom say to Amy? I can't remember and it was difficult to understand for me.

Blencathra
April 25th, 2011, 06:14 AM
Certainly. :)

Amy: Why did you have to kill her?

Silent: Joy. Her name was Joy. Your name is Amelia. You will tell the Doctor.

Amy: Tell him what?

Silent: What he must know. And what he must never know.

Amy: How do you know about that?

Silent: Tell him.


And just typing that I had a thought. What if

the Silent can only kill you if it knows your name?

Nth Chevron
April 25th, 2011, 06:33 AM
Well which of the Doctors names would the destroyer of the TARDIS know him by?

If it is Omega like a suspect, then he may know the Doctors real name, only know him as the Doctor, might even attempt to use the Valeyard against him and on the very outside he may know him as the "Other"

I think its something left over from the Timewar or something closely linked to it, because that was the only time there were Timelords around to kill in their hundreds

As for the endgame, i cant see where this is going and that bugs me because it makes theories go oh so crazy.

N.C

Blencathra
April 25th, 2011, 07:10 AM
Here's a nice contrast :)

A pic of the real Oval Office in 1969

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5653131133_9688d2ba17_z.jpg
and a new pic of our intrepid heroes.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5653072629_16d61fa715_z.jpg

jameshawking
April 25th, 2011, 07:36 AM
Somehow I really, really doubt that it's another Time-Lord. The only possibility may be the Valeyard, but still. The last seasons of Tennent were about him kicking the master's super-natural ass and ensuring the death of all of the Time Lords. They risk too much exposure if he keeps throwing them back.

That's not even considering the fact that a Time-Lord would certainly know better than to use the "I've killed hundreds of time lords" against the Doctor. It'd just be silly. It's like going up to the U.S. and saying "I have a pistol". "Well, we have machine guns, tanks, planes, boats, submarines, drones, and satellites."

It'd have to be someone other than a Dalek or a Time Lord, in my view. Can't exactly imagine w ho that would be in the Whoniverse OTHER than one of the Silent. There just isn't anyone of that potential caliber that I can imagine.

FennerMachine
April 25th, 2011, 08:17 AM
Could be one of the Guardians, but I think they fled this reality during/after the Time War.

pbellosom
April 25th, 2011, 09:27 AM
What did that Silence alien in the bathroom say to Amy? I can't remember

Well of course you can't, you're not looking at it ;)

Spimman
April 25th, 2011, 10:01 AM
Well of course you can't, you're not looking at it ;)

well played :p

Spimman
April 25th, 2011, 10:06 AM
Anyone else think the Astronaut could be the Doctor?

webxro
April 25th, 2011, 10:20 AM
Anyone else think the Astronaut could be the Doctor?

That's what i first had in mind when he said to them not to intervene , so it could be the doctor but the doctor from the future of the future doctor , revived using the same method as they did with the master .

Spimman
April 25th, 2011, 11:36 AM
That's what i first had in mind when he said to them not to intervene , so it could be the doctor but the doctor from the future of the future doctor , revived using the same method as they did with the master .

Possibly - I'm sure if the Doctor needed to fake his death for some reason than he could. It just seemed so odd that the Doctor would come back 200 years later in his own timeline to that moment to die without a solid plan! I'm thinking he knows about The Silence at that point in time but couldn't reveal his knowledge to himself and his team because they would somehow read their minds or something.

kirmit
April 25th, 2011, 11:40 AM
I think the doctor did die, no reviving or anythin but it'll be one of those moments in time that can be rewritten, so as the open up the door for future regenerations and 11 won't live for another 200 years.

Replicator Todd
April 25th, 2011, 12:21 PM
All I can really say is this episode made me all giddy at how awesome it was. Mr. Moffat is quite the genius!

Loved seeing the regeneration/death thing...it was very epic and shocking!

kirmit
April 25th, 2011, 12:34 PM
One thing I didn't like was the slowmo at the end of the episode, just seemed overdone.

immhotep
April 25th, 2011, 02:51 PM
And just typing that I had a thought.

Epic theory. Really really like it. Explains River knowing it.

Billz
April 25th, 2011, 03:27 PM
I just had a thought. What if the Eternals are the big enemy?

Back all the way in "Enlightenment (Part of the Black Guardian Trilogy)", the Eternals were basically as close to Gods as they could ever be. An even higher power than the Time Lords themselves. A few times since the Doctor first met the Eternals, he referenced the extent of their abilities a few times in the revived series (banishing the Carrionites from the universe at the dawn of time, implying that they existed before the universe, and describing the Void that the Daleks and the Cybermen became trapped in as "The Howling").

An article by Russell T Davies in the Doctor Who Annual 2006 refers to the Eternals in connection with the Time War mentioned in the 2005 series. The article states that the Eternals were involved in a previous Time War with the Halldons, a powerful race first mentioned in We are the Daleks, an article by Terry Nation from the Radio Times 10th Anniversary Special in 1973. Davies' article also states that the Eternals watched the Great (and final) Time War between the Time Lords and the Daleks, and "despaired of this reality, and fled their hallowed halls, never to be seen again.

That implies, that the Time Lords didn't have complete control over the events of the universe, that they merely played a part in a much larger role, and that they didn't even know it.

Maybe, the Eternals have finally decided that it's time for the Doctor to die, but instead of directly killing him, they enlist the Silence to go back in time, infiltrate Earth, leading all the way upto the events in series 5 and 6.

Could be, that Steven Moffat is carrying on from something that Russel T Davies established a long time ago.

Just a theory. :)

pbellosom
April 25th, 2011, 03:39 PM
I reckon Moffats had this story planned for a long long time...


I've just realised how it gets better. I know I noticed the things in the Lodger and Vampires of Venice on first watching, a lot of people say they noticed the Beast Below on first watching, I'm sure loads of people noticed all these things first time, after all they are all quite noticeable moments. But when they had no impact on the rest of the episode, when the scene ended, what did we all do? WE FORGOT ABOUT THEM!

This is every bit as creepy as the time people worked out that the Weeping Angels weren't moving when the characters couldn't see them but the viewers could. Moffat is terrifying brilliant at 4th Wall Breaking Fridge Horror (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror)

Pharaoh Atem
April 25th, 2011, 09:35 PM
i love that the Doctor apologized before regenerating. granted maybe he planned all this before hand but to me I think he knows that his companion grow attached to his individually regenerations and he feel bad having to go through the process.

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 26th, 2011, 12:57 AM
I think that the opening scene will play some relevance next week too, the bit about him being locked in the Tower of London and then being carried 'aloft' by a magical floating sphere? Just the scene from the preview for next week with him chained up to the chair with the beard - looks like a Tower setting to me.

I know how the Moff likes to use his wonderful time tricks :D

Replicator Todd
April 26th, 2011, 01:07 AM
i love that the Doctor apologized before regenerating. granted maybe he planned all this before hand but to me I think he knows that his companion grow attached to his individually regenerations and he feel bad having to go through the process.

I didn't think he was saying sorry because he was regenerating but because he knew he was going to die.

webxro
April 26th, 2011, 01:26 AM
Or he was saying sorry because he was coming back , but he needed his companions to think that he will die ( at least if i would do that i would say some sort of sorry )

Konrad9
April 26th, 2011, 01:45 AM
Or he was saying sorry because he was coming back , but he needed his companions to think that he will die ( at least if i would do that i would say some sort of sorry )

"But first of all, Doctor Song, who are you? You're someone from my future I'm guessing that."

He's been perfectly fine working with River previously, but now....

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
April 26th, 2011, 04:00 AM
I think that the opening scene will play some relevance next week too, the bit about him being locked in the Tower of London and then being carried 'aloft' by a magical floating sphere? Just the scene from the preview for next week with him chained up to the chair with the beard - looks like a Tower setting to me.

I know how the Moff likes to use his wonderful time tricks :D

The magical floating sphere was a hot air balloon.. there was a picture of it in the book :D

Admiral Mappalazarou
April 26th, 2011, 04:50 AM
The magical floating sphere was a hot air balloon.. there was a picture of it in the book :D

I know. I saw the picture. :D

That's not confirmation though. Just because it was recorded as being one doesn't mean it is one, or even if it is it doesn't mean it won't feature in the next ep :P

Starfist
April 26th, 2011, 05:39 AM
I actually caught this episode on iPlayer. (A first for me)
And I have to say I actually enjoyed it.
It was great to see everyone back on great form.

I'm interested to know who River Song actually is.
And if Amy is Pregnant how they'll work it into the story.

And I think the 'Silence' make an excellent addition to the Who universe.

immhotep
April 26th, 2011, 06:18 AM
"But first of all, Doctor Song, who are you? You're someone from my future I'm guessing that."

He's been perfectly fine working with River previously, but now....
He didnt say guessing that. He said "You're someone from my future, getting there. But really. Trust you"
Implying that he is moving towards the time she will first meet him. When they will collide.

Blencathra
April 26th, 2011, 08:31 AM
LOL. :D

I thought he said "You're someone from my future. Getting that. But who? OK, why are you in prison, who did you kill?"

jameshawking
April 26th, 2011, 08:41 AM
To be fair about River Song, she never asked him to do something he didn't want to before now. Not really.

There's a large difference between asking him to not let you die after he's met you is vastly different from asking him to listen to, from his viewpoint, some unknown, shadowy figure who is hiding from him and his friends for an unknown purpose to do unknown things, and that he needed to trust her.

There's a large difference between trusting a past version of her, one he never met before, and her being along for the ride on something he'd do anyway (like saving people from the vashta nerada, or stopping the weeping angels).

And keep in mind, this is a past version of her, which means he can't even trust her based on his experiences with her, at all, since she may be a different person, without experiences that changed her into a better person. The most clear example of this is the change from her being a doctor to a professor, clearly a "downgrade" in some fashion.

Edit: in fact, she even implied that he shouldn't trust her. "You can. But where's the fun in that?"

Replicator Todd
April 26th, 2011, 11:13 AM
I don't know if this has been said already but its another crazy theory.

What if Amy really is pregnant and River Song is Amy and Rory's daughter somehow?

Teddybrown
April 26th, 2011, 11:26 AM
I think that the opening scene will play some relevance next week too, the bit about him being locked in the Tower of London and then being carried 'aloft' by a magical floating sphere? Just the scene from the preview for next week with him chained up to the chair with the beard - looks like a Tower setting to me.

I know how the Moff likes to use his wonderful time tricks :D

Mild spoiler!
Thats NASA, hes being held prisoner there
Dunno why though

jameshawking
April 26th, 2011, 11:34 AM
Mild spoiler!
Thats NASA, hes being held prisoner there
Dunno why thoughHe's surrounded in bright light, in a bright room, with people looking in every direction. And the Doctor knows about the Silent.

Chances are he's being protected from them.

Blencathra
April 26th, 2011, 01:40 PM
In a straight jacket & chains? :S

Teddybrown
April 26th, 2011, 02:00 PM
In a straight jacket & chains? :S

Looks like hes been there a while too... lol

Blencathra
April 26th, 2011, 02:02 PM
I wonder what River thinks about that ;)

P-90_177
April 26th, 2011, 04:27 PM
I think that the opening scene will play some relevance next week too, the bit about him being locked in the Tower of London and then being carried 'aloft' by a magical floating sphere? Just the scene from the preview for next week with him chained up to the chair with the beard - looks like a Tower setting to me.

I know how the Moff likes to use his wonderful time tricks :D

Nah. It's kinda obvious with moments like that that it is just filler. Basically just informing you what the Doctor has been getting up to and emphasising that not everything he does is all death and danger, some times he just has a rip-roaring adventure through time.

Besides, the Tower wouldn't be gleaming white walls. :P

mr_kennedy
April 26th, 2011, 04:44 PM
LOL. :D

I thought he said "You're someone from my future. Getting that. But who? OK, why are you in prison, who did you kill?"

lol this can also be added to that ^

Ok your asking me to trust you thats fine, but you obviously have my compions under some kind of spell so why should i trust you at all?

jameshawking
April 26th, 2011, 06:16 PM
I don't really have a reason for him to be in chains (perhaps nto keep him from doing things in a manner affected by the Silent). But it's quite clear that the people stationed around him are, Iunno, are on the lookout form something quite clearly. Seems fairly silly to assume "Make sure you're looking at something in a large number!" is disconnected.

Rickington
April 26th, 2011, 09:23 PM
Mild spoiler!
Thats NASA, hes being held prisoner there
Dunno why though

If you look at the text on the wall behind the Doctor, it says A-51... Area 51? :D

rosey_angel
April 27th, 2011, 12:36 AM
hello!

this was an awesomepants episode! everyone involved did so well. IMO, Joy's death was kind of goofy, which i think was done of purpose coz otherwise I wouldn't have gotten any sleep. those freaky screamer-looking aliens -silencers?- scare the bajeebers out of me, so i'm glad Joy loooked so comical while she was dying. took the edge off, as it were.

also, i'm liking these theories about amy's baby being baby river being adult river. personally, i think that river is the next generation of doctor, but this would be cool too.

i'll be posting longer reviews on my blog if people wanna read, just a quick bit of self advertising :D

Lahela
April 27th, 2011, 01:46 AM
Finally caught up after vacation and watched this. Just bloody brilliant! :D Must rewatch though - so much stuff going through my head now!

Teddybrown
April 27th, 2011, 11:33 AM
If you look at the text on the wall behind the Doctor, it says A-51... Area 51? :D

I think NASA owns that A51 place because
The spoiler i read definately said NASA were holding him prisoner, but may be a different part.

kirmit
April 27th, 2011, 11:37 AM
I think NASA owns that A51 place because
The spoiler i read definately said NASA were holding him prisoner, but may be a different part.

Of all the places the Doctors been trapped and escaped I find this a little hard to believe.

Teddybrown
April 27th, 2011, 11:42 AM
Of all the places the Doctors been trapped and escaped I find this a little hard to believe.

If you look at the trailer, hes wearing a sort of straight jacket, with his hands chained, so it really restricts his movement and his chances of escaping. It is quite a genius way of trapping him, he cant move his arms or hands.
Also, looks like hes been there awhile because he has his beard and long hair...

Nth Chevron
April 27th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Yes but why though, thats the question i cant seem to find a theory too.

Unless they need to use his body to hold an essence or something and he volunteered for the incarceration.

*Shrugs* total blank here

N.C

SaberBlade
April 28th, 2011, 07:28 AM
I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, so I'll just put this out there:

At the picnic the Doctor says, very somberly, "A lot more happens in 1969 than anyone remembers. Human beings, I thought I'd never get done saving you."

Now, I guess you could just interpret this as he knows he's going to die and therefore is done with saving them, but I feel like this "never get done saving you" ties directly into the events on the beach and in 1969. So the Doctor letting the spaceman kill him somehow saves the Earth?

I don't think the quote was anything important. To me, it was more of a reference to the things he'd done during 1969, such as the events of episodes that first aired on television in 1969 (Second was forced to regenerate at the end of the 1969 season for example). Also his own personal past, like Tenth and Martha stuck there.

Pharaoh Atem
April 28th, 2011, 09:00 AM
just re watched it. now i love it!!! can't wait for the cliffhanger

Lahela
April 28th, 2011, 11:39 AM
If you look at the trailer, hes wearing a sort of straight jacket, with his hands chained, so it really restricts his movement and his chances of escaping. It is quite a genius way of trapping him, he cant move his arms or hands.
Also, looks like hes been there awhile because he has his beard and long hair...

Is this something I forgot in the ep under discussion, or am I reading spoilers that I truly don't want to read? :S

Teddybrown
April 28th, 2011, 11:54 AM
Is this something I forgot in the ep under discussion, or am I reading spoilers that I truly don't want to read? :S

It was shown in the trailer

Alan
April 28th, 2011, 12:33 PM
It was shown in the trailer

Not everybody likes to watch the "Next Time" trailer.

Doctor Who - 1963 - Present


DOCTOR WHO
EPISODE 2 -
"DAY OF THE MOON"
SATURDAY
(30/04/2011),
6PM ON BBC1

Carter1994
April 28th, 2011, 02:02 PM
I find it exceptionally amusing that The Doctor refers to River as "Mrs. Robinson". Besides the Mrs. Robinson in The Graduate, a pair of US singers (Simon and Garfunkel) had a hit song called "Mrs. Robinson", and more to the point, before that a hit called "The Sounds of Silence".

Teddybrown
April 28th, 2011, 02:38 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/episodes/b010y5l3/galleries/episode_two_wallpapers

Episode 2 pictures
Not very spoilery

Picture 4 definately makes it look like the Doctor is a prisoner
Why else would he be chained up like that?

Also looks like we will get a prequel to Curse of the Black Spot
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00gn2jn

Pharaoh Atem
April 28th, 2011, 07:44 PM
not everybody likes to watch the "next time" trailer.

doctor who - 1963 - present


doctor who
episode 2 -
"day of the moon"
saturday
(30/04/2011),
6pm on bbc1

thank you!!!

Nth Chevron
April 29th, 2011, 08:00 AM
New trailer for Sat in UK !!!

A few new scenes;

- Rory surrounded by MiB on a Dam
- Amy alone with a Silent in their Time Engine
- River and the Doctor in a GUNFIGHT with Silents (lighting vs energy weapons)

N.C

Teddybrown
April 29th, 2011, 10:47 AM
New trailer for Sat in UK !!!

A few new scenes;

- Rory surrounded by MiB on a Dam
- Amy alone with a Silent in their Time Engine
- River and the Doctor in a GUNFIGHT with Silents (lighting vs energy weapons)

N.C

I was trying to find that trailer on youtube to post here, but I couldnt find it!
Looking forward to tomorrow!

jameshawking
April 29th, 2011, 11:31 AM
I find it exceptionally amusing that The Doctor refers to River as "Mrs. Robinson". Besides the Mrs. Robinson in The Graduate, a pair of US singers (Simon and Garfunkel) had a hit song called "Mrs. Robinson", and more to the point, before that a hit called "The Sounds of Silence".
mind=blown

Especially since I know and like both songs, but never connected them, lol.

Nth Chevron
April 29th, 2011, 12:09 PM
I hope to god the Moff doesnt create Sudoku puzzles or riddles, we'd never solve them !!

N.C

Spimman
April 29th, 2011, 12:19 PM
I find it exceptionally amusing that The Doctor refers to River as "Mrs. Robinson". Besides the Mrs. Robinson in The Graduate, a pair of US singers (Simon and Garfunkel) had a hit song called "Mrs. Robinson", and more to the point, before that a hit called "The Sounds of Silence".

Interesting

Mrs Robinson Lyrics
And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes
Put it in your pantry with your cupcakes
It's a little secret, just the Robinsons' affair
Most of all, you've got to hide it from the kids

Coo, coo, ca-choo, Mrs Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Going to the candidates debate
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you've got to choose
Ev'ry way you look at it, you lose

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)
What's that you say, Mrs. Robinson
Joltin' Joe has left and gone away
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

The Sound of Silence Lyrics
Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

"Fools", said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed
In the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence

Cold Fuzz
April 29th, 2011, 03:33 PM
I find it exceptionally amusing that The Doctor refers to River as "Mrs. Robinson". Besides the Mrs. Robinson in The Graduate, a pair of US singers (Simon and Garfunkel) had a hit song called "Mrs. Robinson", and more to the point, before that a hit called "The Sounds of Silence".

That seemingly throwaway line about Mrs. Robinson apparently isn't a throw-away line after all, especially in light of Simon & Garfunkel's lyrics.


Interesting

Mrs Robinson Lyrics
And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes
Put it in your pantry with your cupcakes
It's a little secret, just the Robinsons' affair
Most of all, you've got to hide it from the kids

Coo, coo, ca-choo, Mrs Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Going to the candidates debate
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you've got to choose
Ev'ry way you look at it, you lose

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you (Woo, woo, woo)
What's that you say, Mrs. Robinson
Joltin' Joe has left and gone away
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

The Sound of Silence Lyrics
Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

"Fools", said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed
In the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence


With "Mrs. Robinson" there's seems to be a wee bit of a parallel with River, especially:


We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

With "The Sound of Silence" which happens to be my favorite Simon & Garfunkel song, all of the lyrics are eerily appropriate for what's now happening in Doctor Who. :eek:

Teddybrown
April 29th, 2011, 04:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNr8CjL0oA8&feature=related

Just found this, it has some new clips in the trailer for next time...
Only annoying thing is someones put the Torchwood music behind it...
One scene that sticks out from the trailer is
The Doctor confronting a Silent with River in the Lodger Tardis
And also
It looks like theres going to be a fight in the Lodger Tardis and it shows one of the Silences being hit

Cold Fuzz
April 29th, 2011, 04:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNr8CjL0oA8&feature=related

Just found this, it has some new clips in the trailer for next time...
Only annoying thing is someones put the Torchwood music behind it...
One scene that sticks out from the trailer is
The Doctor confronting a Silent with River in the Lodger Tardis
And also
It looks like theres going to be a fight in the Lodger Tardis and it shows one of the Silences being hit

Thanks for posting this. The music was distracting as we couldn't hear the dialogue but it was worth it to see a glimpse of that firefight. :D

Ian-S
April 29th, 2011, 06:13 PM
I don't know if this has been said already but its another crazy theory.

What if Amy really is pregnant and River Song is Amy and Rory's daughter somehow?

Yup that's my theory too, which might explain the Doctor's reaction to:

Amy trying to shoot the Astronaut in 1969, because he knows she'd be killing her own child (although we know he don't like guns anyway), my theory is that it's River inside the Astronaut suit in 1969 and present day (when the Doctor dies) and for some reason she can't remember all this, or maybe she can which is why she says of course not when she fires the bullets at the Astronaut.

This might also explain why both Amy and River experience pains at almost the same time, the theory is that babies can feel pain in the womb, so if Amy get's hurt, Baby would feel it, and because River is out of time sync wise, she'd feel it too.

I also think that the Area 51 shot of the Doctor in the trailer is present time too, perhaps Nixon get's angry with him over something (Moon?) and locks him up, leaving Amy, Roy and River (who we know can fly the Tardis) needing to come back to 2011 to free him.

Just MHO of course :)

TryWhistlingThis
April 30th, 2011, 03:48 AM
Just finished watching The Impossible Astronaut. Absolutely breathtaking. You would have recalled that my review of The Big Bang was less than congenial. Well, all is forgiven. This episode had me drawn in the whole way. I admit, at first when I read there was humour running all the way through it, I had my reservations but they were put the rest. In fact, some of the funniest lines in the series have come out of this episode and they've been wisely spent to contrast with the gloomier moments of the episode.

Matt is starting to come into his own a little more. Amy was less of a nag while Rory has developed a new found confidence and authority while Riversong...well, she's still Riversong. The story was everything I want in a Doctor Who episode: shadowy, time travel related with some deep, human elements. The situation felt real and it held my attention the whole time. The irony? It featured the least usage of aliens and CGI.

I couldn't be happier that I went into this spoiler free. Cannot wait for next week.

5 out of 5.

Carter1994
April 30th, 2011, 08:00 AM
That seemingly throwaway line about Mrs. Robinson apparently isn't a throw-away line after all, especially in light of Simon & Garfunkel's lyrics.
[...]
With "The Sound of Silence" which happens to be my favorite Simon & Garfunkel song, all of the lyrics are eerily appropriate for what's now happening in Doctor Who. :eek:

Indeed... I certainly hope Moff did this deliberately, because it'd be quite the coincidence if not! :eek: Good point about the "Mrs. Robinson" lyrics.

Alan
April 30th, 2011, 08:29 AM
Indeed... I certainly hope Moff did this deliberately, because it'd be quite the coincidence if not! :eek: Good point about the "Mrs. Robinson" lyrics.

It'll be interesting to see whether or not Mr. Moffat goes somewhere with this in the episodes to come. Certainly plenty of coincidences in there.


DOCTOR WHO
EPISODE 2 - "DAY OF THE MOON"
SATURDAY (30/04/11), 6PM ON BBC1

Lahela
April 30th, 2011, 11:52 AM
It was shown in the trailer

I don't watch trailers. They spoil.


Not everybody likes to watch the "Next Time" trailer.


Seems I'm not alone. :)

Alan
April 30th, 2011, 12:02 PM
I don't watch trailers. They spoil.



Seems I'm not alone. :)

You Are Not Alone. :) ;)

Galileo_Galilee
April 30th, 2011, 05:17 PM
By the way, they made Nixon look a bit like Steven Segal. Too funny.

jameshawking
May 3rd, 2011, 08:00 AM
I don't watch trailers. They spoil.



Seems I'm not alone. :)
you are never alone, so long as there's been something in the corner of your eye or creaking in your house or breathing under your bed or voices through a wall.

PMN1
May 15th, 2011, 06:49 AM
Piccie from the GaiifreyBase website

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/paul1/partycrasher.jpg

Nth Chevron
May 15th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Now thats creepy :S

Could it be the Doctor? They all received blue envelopes so maybe his contained more info as i said in a diff thread, he saw what did happen and is now working to fix it?

The shack could be his TARDIS with the chameleon circuit fixed.

N.C

PMN1
May 15th, 2011, 02:21 PM
And a longshot from behind.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/paul1/LongShot.jpg

Coco Pops
May 21st, 2011, 08:57 AM
What became of the automated space suit? River said that it was in the process of repairing itself.. Does that mean they just left it there? Will it go looking for the little girl?

What about her have the writers just left here there as an afterthought

Nth Chevron
May 21st, 2011, 09:49 AM
Its a loose end that comes back to shoot the Doctor in the chest, whatever happens to it along the way is what we wanna know :0

N.C

Ian-S
June 1st, 2011, 05:17 PM
Well, just rewatched this and noticed that Amy's first stomach pain is when she enters the oval office, before she see's the first Silent in 1969, but after the first time she see's the Silent at the Lake.

Nth Chevron
June 2nd, 2011, 05:06 AM
It might have been her baby kicking, or the people holding her doing tests/experiments on her

N.C

Ian-S
June 2nd, 2011, 05:56 AM
yeah, but I'm trying to work out when she was taken, that's the first time she feels something, so I wonder if something happened at the Lake with that Silent?

I post this in Rivers thread, but I might as well post it here, I think she's in the same place as Amy, her having the pains too because she's Amy's daughter is a bit too obvious, but then maybe not... find out tomorrow :D

SaberBlade
June 2nd, 2011, 06:04 AM
Piccie from the GaiifreyBase website

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/paul1/partycrasher.jpg

I don't think that is anything, just something attached to front of the lifeguard station.

Alan
June 2nd, 2011, 06:04 AM
When the Doctor is on the beach gesturing and talking to the Astronaut at a distance from his companions and River, it reminded me of when the Doctor goes to meet the Watcher on a London bridge over the Thames and Adric is watching the conversation from a distance and out of earshot in Logopolis. Did anyone else get reminded of that?

Coco Pops
June 2nd, 2011, 07:08 AM
When the Doctor is on the beach gesturing and talking to the Astronaut at a distance from his companions and River, it reminded me of when the Doctor goes to meet the Watcher on a London bridge over the Thames and Adric is watching the conversation from a distance and out of earshot in Logopolis. Did anyone else get reminded of that?

Now that you mention it........Hmmmmmmm.

But that confused me. How could the Doctor have had a conversation with The Watcher as that was actually himself?

Sealurk
June 2nd, 2011, 07:18 AM
Now that you mention it........Hmmmmmmm.

But that confused me. How could the Doctor have had a conversation with The Watcher as that was actually himself?

Because it's two different incarnations of the Doctor from different points in the time line - though technically the Watcher is from between incarnations, it still applies. The Doctor has met, adventured and talked with himself in different incarnations (and occasionally the same one) several times.

Alan
June 2nd, 2011, 10:47 AM
Now that you mention it........Hmmmmmmm.

But that confused me. How could the Doctor have had a conversation with The Watcher as that was actually himself?


Because it's two different incarnations of the Doctor from different points in the time line - though technically the Watcher is from between incarnations, it still applies. The Doctor has met, adventured and talked with himself in different incarnations (and occasionally the same one) several times.

Sealurk is right, Coco Pops. The Watcher is kind of like the Doctor's 4.5 incarnation. A projection of his future self that wasn't coming through very clearly. In Planet of the Spiders, another Time Lord had a projection of his future incarnation but it was clearly another person and not just a white shadowy figure like the Watcher was. I put it down to the fact that this particular Time Lords mental powers were more practised and far more developed than the Doctor's.

Nth Chevron
June 2nd, 2011, 04:46 PM
Or the TARDIS was sick of the power usage and capped the speed of his temporal ISP

N,C

Coco Pops
June 2nd, 2011, 09:33 PM
Or the TARDIS was sick of the power usage and capped the speed of his temporal ISP

N,C


Well she is female, and they're prone to change their minds :)






"runs off"

rosey_angel
June 24th, 2011, 10:07 PM
I don't know if this was brought up before (I have a terrible memory), but didn't River want Amy and Rory to tell the Doctor why there were all summoned there when the Doctor sent himself an invitation to the event? Future Doc wanted himself there otherwise he wouldn't have sent the envelope...

Nth Chevron
June 28th, 2011, 04:07 PM
No, River forced them not to, even though the Silence seemed to want Amy to tell the Doctor.

As we know River lies, this could be part of Rivers last great spoiler, or she is saving the universe from entropy because the Doctor being a complicated space/time event cannot cross his own timestream directly without serious ramifications.

Also, with Kovarian and the Silence and Daleks from the planet of Skittle, out and about, they may use that chaos for evil...

..meanwhile in the batcave ..

N.C

rosey_angel
June 29th, 2011, 12:46 AM
^ oh yeah i get the whole 'do not cross' timeline stuff, but future doc invited himself there. my guess is present doc got the invite, came, found out about his death from amy, figured he would have to send his past self the envelope to try and change something, but of course it doesn't happen

fumblesmcstupid
September 13th, 2011, 05:12 AM
Piccie from the GaiifreyBase website

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/paul1/partycrasher.jpg

Could be Jim the Fish or Jack.

Coco Pops
April 13th, 2012, 05:18 AM
This episode really, really bugs me.

We just watched it again tonight on TV and it was followed by Dr Who Confidential and in that Mr Moffat says that it really is the Doctor dying....... So that really makes my head want to explode :)

How did they change that in the series end with the Tesselecta when in episode 1 it really was the Doctor? Isn't that changing a fixed event?

Coco Pops
April 13th, 2012, 05:28 AM
I think the Beast Below is definately one because in that clip, just before the next clip, theres the raspy noise that the Silence makes

The cloaked figures in the Big Bang... Maybe, but why would they be cloaked?

And the Tardis door, I dunno about that one...

The one in the Lodger, I think could be one, because Amy does look genuinely scared then fine

The one at the end of Eleventh Hour also looks like a genuine one too.

The rest, Im not too sure about them, some could be more than others.

I reckon Moffats had this story planned for a long long time...

@Nth Chevron, yeah this one kinda creeped me out too, it wasnt as scary as the first Angel episode,, that one was jumpy, this one was creepy



Sorry to reply to a very old message hehe.......... But where in The Beast Below do you see a Silent? I've watched that episode many times and not noticed tnat.

cosmichobo
April 14th, 2012, 01:38 AM
This episode really, really bugs me.

How did they change that in the series end with the Tesselecta when in episode 1 it really was the Doctor? Isn't that changing a fixed event?

Moffat lies.

Sealurk
April 14th, 2012, 03:53 AM
This episode really, really bugs me.

We just watched it again tonight on TV and it was followed by Dr Who Confidential and in that Mr Moffat says that it really is the Doctor dying....... So that really makes my head want to explode :)

How did they change that in the series end with the Tesselecta when in episode 1 it really was the Doctor? Isn't that changing a fixed event?

Explanation #1: Rule Number One:


Moffat lies.

Explanation #2: The Doctor we see die in The Impossible Astronaut is The Doctor, but the events of The Wedding of River Song leading up to the formation of a fixed point in time allow the Doctor a chance to change events, thus making the beginning of The Impossible Astronaut part of a former time-line now rendered defunct since the Doctor learned of his future.

Explanation #3: It's all to do with wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey... stuff.

Teddybrown
April 14th, 2012, 04:19 AM
Sorry to reply to a very old message hehe.......... But where in The Beast Below do you see a Silent? I've watched that episode many times and not noticed tnat.

We dont see one, but in a scene there was a noise the silence makes.
But obvs that was wrong now...

Coco Pops
April 14th, 2012, 07:19 AM
Moffat lies.

This explanation I can buy........

No wonder River says the Doctor lies

cosmichobo
April 14th, 2012, 03:12 PM
Another alternative...

Moffat doesn't lie, but in fact makes "magic".

As we know, magic can be explained by science.

The science required to understand Moffat's "magic" is only decipherable by the likes of Stephen Hawking...

Alan
April 14th, 2012, 06:55 PM
Another alternative...

Moffat doesn't lie, but in fact makes "magic".

As we know, magic can be explained by science.

The science required to understand Moffat's "magic" is only decipherable by the likes of Stephen Hawking...

The one constant thing that has been maintained through Doctor Who and continued through in to Torchwood and The Sarah Jane Adventures is that there is no such thing as magic. Anything that has appeared as magic has had an alien and scientific explanation behind it.

Coco Pops
May 2nd, 2013, 07:07 AM
I am probably way behind everyone but just watching this the other day and never noticed, but there's a Silent on the hill overlooking everyone at their little gathering.

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Greenee
May 2nd, 2013, 09:19 AM
I might think you are. But the same here. Rewatcht this ep the other day and only than noticed. But how are you supposed to notice, if you don't know about the Silcene inthe first place. Or maybe you do notice that there is somthing on the hill but don't pay attention to it and than forget it, as you don't know what to make off it. Pretty clever from the creators, if you think of it from that angle. Another thing I spotted when I watcht this ep the 2nd time (thauog es well it might have been pointed out before) is Amy - in shock and disbelieve that the Doctor is dead - saying

something like: this can't be hin, it must be a douplicate, a false body (con't remenber the exact words) and than - after we have all this stuff with the flesh and the gangers - indeed he turs out to be a douplicate.

It's all this little details what I love about this show, and what makes it worth rewatching over and over again.

maneth
June 5th, 2013, 07:02 AM
This ep confused me, I really don't understand what happened...

P-90_177
June 5th, 2013, 11:20 AM
This ep confused me, I really don't understand what happened...

The Doctor died and sent a letter to his best friends and himself to attend... what's to get? :P

maneth
June 5th, 2013, 07:59 PM
Well, we know the Doctor will survive, and that the 11th reincarnation is very probably not the last.