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Dregun
March 29th, 2011, 06:20 AM
So what is going to be the future of the AI on Destiny now that we the audience know about it fully (Franklin) and it was shown that those who have been uploaded into Destiny have access to all of Destiny's data?

Are we going to see Amanda and Ginn helping the crew piece Destiny back together?
Would they be able to give the crew a back story on Destiny (was it truly never manned?)
We have access to Diagnostic equipment, something tells me that ship would have a full medical bay with proper tools and equipment wouldn't Ginn or Amanda know where it is now?

The fact that these three have access to all the knowledge on the ship I would love to know what else of importance is on the ship. As far as I know they never found the ships personal weapons and it wouldn't make much sense for the ship not to have an armory. Basically the ship is no longer a mystery to the crew as they have direct access to AI to answer any and all questions they have. Although I wish it could have been dragged out over at least 1 more season (season 3) to learn about the entire ship I'm at least glad we will get some of it before this final season ends.

Loki0002
March 29th, 2011, 06:53 AM
Can Amanda Perry, Ginn and Franklin communicate with each other within the ship's computer? (Maybe in a coffee-shop setting? (g))

Is there anyone else hiding in there? Maybe an ancient or two?

Notleo
March 29th, 2011, 07:12 AM
I think Perry embraces her new role but Ginn not so much. I get the impression that she's lying to poor Eli at the end. Her body wasn't broken like Perry's. She almost felt willing to accept her fate but did this only at Eli's insistence. I also think she's borderline psychotic. She did kill somebody without hesitation and grew up in a hostile environment. She could become a liability if the series continued.

traylormatt
March 29th, 2011, 07:35 AM
I wonder to what degree you need to know something to understand it. Will this be like a chloe type scenario, she can do a lot of interesting things but does not fully understand what she is doing. For instance, was perry able to help with the medical precedure because she was extremely intellegent, but also she possibly had an extremely good knowledge of surgery and the human body as her conditition may have lead her to learn about human physiology? This would mean she could gain access to the information that Desitny has but also able to interpret it for practical application???

KlaxxonBlue
March 29th, 2011, 07:54 AM
She almost felt willing to accept her fate but did this only at Eli's insistence.

"Silence that CHILD!!!!" <waves a phaser in a threatening manner>

I hate Eli so hard.

Klaxxon

Loki0002
March 29th, 2011, 08:04 AM
I think Perry embraces her new role but Ginn not so much. .... She almost felt willing to accept her fate but did this only at Eli's insistence.

Like she had an option? If someone told me, "you're dead and we buried your body, but you can live on in THIS way"; I think I would probably say OK (!)

KlaxxonBlue
March 29th, 2011, 08:07 AM
I guess it all depends on how attached to life she was. For me I'd be like, ok, time to move on, kthxbye!

Klaxxon

tomstone
March 29th, 2011, 09:10 AM
I think this Episode solves once and for all the Chair/AI problem. So far we have all been guessing that Franklin was uploaded to Destiny, now we know.

Thing is that I am not so sure that we will see something unexpected from those that are inside Destiny or the appearence of someone whe dont know. They stated several times that the downloaded councuisness has a specific file and is visible when active. I can imagine that the files containing these People are way different from the rest of Data and therefor easy to find.

I think that also answers what happened to Alternate Rush. He connected to the Ship and died, if he would have transferred to our Destiny we should have noticed it or found the file by now.

As for the Future of them. I am sure they can be of a lot of help, since Amanda stated she had full access to the Destiny´s Database. We have now a Medical Officer, a Nerd, and a Mathgirl in there, this can only become more fun in those few Episodes that are remaining. I am still not sure though if I am going to watch the last one with the big Cliffhanger though.

Kaiphantom
March 29th, 2011, 09:29 AM
I've always liked the sci-fi concept idea of someone becoming part of a computer system, functioning as an AI interface. It's just the way this particular one happened that bugs me. The way it happened to Franklin, was a method I preferred more, as it seemed the natural result of plot progression. This one reeks of convenience, and the stones have been something that begun to rub me the wrong way more and more. It's like the Star Trek transporters all over again.

But this brings up the question of where Franklin is, and why he didn't tell Rush what had happened to him. Does Franklin not know? Or does Franklin no longer really exist, and instead his image is just being used by Destiny (perhaps he burned himself out trying to get Destiny moving again)?

But this will make for some interesting stuff ahead. Perry is a smart scientist and has access to much, if not all, of Destiny's database. She can more easily help them repair the ship and explain what things do. I didn't expect Destiny to be repaired to a pristine state within a season or two, but I did hope they'd make more progress than they have. If they can repair Atlantis, which is incredibly advanced, then they should be able to fix up Destiny much more easily.

tomstone
March 29th, 2011, 09:42 AM
But this will make for some interesting stuff ahead. Perry is a smart scientist and has access to much, if not all, of Destiny's database. She can more easily help them repair the ship and explain what things do. I didn't expect Destiny to be repaired to a pristine state within a season or two, but I did hope they'd make more progress than they have. If they can repair Atlantis, which is incredibly advanced, then they should be able to fix up Destiny much more easily.

Destiny is a Rustbucket at best, which the crew didnt even have access to for a long time. I think they have been doing a lot better then it would have been expected. Lets not forget that the People on the Ship where never meant to be there and only very few had actually something they could contribute from the beginning.

Dregun
March 29th, 2011, 10:10 AM
Franklin didn't choose to be uploaded to the ship like Rush did with Amanda and Ginn, I think that may be important as only pieces of his consciousness may have been fully uploaded. For all intents and purposes Franklin could very well be bad code, code that got damaged because it was mearly a side effect and not the intent when he used the chair.

I would suspect that we will learn the limitations of this "AI" so to speak. It works by projecting itself into someone elses subconscious and because of that it really doesn't have much power. I don't think these AI's will have access to actually perform functions on the ship and they may be limited to only allowing 1 person to see them at a time. That could become troublesome for the crew as they struggle to remember that the person they are seeing doesn't really exist in any real physical form.

I also doubt they would be able to communicate with each other as well, since it seems they need a consciousness to project themselves into they couldn't project themselves into one another and have a conversation.

Kaiphantom
March 29th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Destiny is a Rustbucket at best, which the crew didnt even have access to for a long time. I think they have been doing a lot better then it would have been expected. Lets not forget that the People on the Ship where never meant to be there and only very few had actually something they could contribute from the beginning.

Doesn't matter. Since we have the stones, there has been nothing preventing other engineers and scientists from coming aboard and affecting repairs. Just like we had a doctor stone in and take over Chloe to do a surgery, we can have the smartest people on Earth stone in to replace the "useless" people (maybe even some military personnel) and affect repairs.

morbosfist
March 29th, 2011, 11:19 AM
It's not that they can't do the repairs themselves, which they obviously can, it's that they are on a ship with no source of supplies with which to affect repairs. They can't make new parts, new pieces of hull, etc. They have to make do. It's much more realistic than Atlantis in that regard (frankly, I always had trouble believing they could spotlessly repair everything they blew up).

DigiFluid
March 29th, 2011, 11:45 AM
Now a version of Rush's dead wife AND his would-be girlfriend are both in the Destiny computer.

UH OH

tomstone
March 29th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Now a version of Rush's dead wife AND his would-be girlfriend are both in the Destiny computer.

UH OH

Rush´s wife was never really inside Destiny. I am pretty sure that was Franklin screwing with Rush in order to do the right thing.

DigiFluid
March 29th, 2011, 11:51 AM
That's a bit of a leap. There's never been anything to suggest that's even possible.

From what we've seen, these avatars in the Destiny computer come from people sitting in the chair--which happened with Rush in Human. I say some form of Gloria is in the computer.

Kaiphantom
March 29th, 2011, 01:01 PM
It's not that they can't do the repairs themselves, which they obviously can, it's that they are on a ship with no source of supplies with which to affect repairs. They can't make new parts, new pieces of hull, etc. They have to make do. It's much more realistic than Atlantis in that regard (frankly, I always had trouble believing they could spotlessly repair everything they blew up).

I find it hard to believe there aren't spare parts on the ship. It would be the logical thing to do, to pack the ship full of spares and redundant systems, so you can easily repair when you eventually gate to it. Because it would be like trying to repair a commodore 64 today, or a Ford Edsel. We're more advanced, but you need parts manufactured back in the day in order to properly fix it.

And some repairs are as easy as rerouting systems, routing around damaged areas like they did with the FTL drive. With enough redundancy, you can even plan for it (just like how the human body has two kidneys, so you can afford to lose one). They haven't fully explored the ship, but I expected them to find rooms of spare parts eventually.

As far as Rush's wife goes, Rush was in the chair, so the computer could generate an image and personality based on those memories. Given the way it messed with Young, though, odds are it could do that with anyone regardless.

ArchaeoNerd
March 29th, 2011, 01:47 PM
I wonder whether the AI representations of Amanda, Ginn and Franklin are able to control when and where they appear and who is able to see and hear them, or whether this is all under the control of Destiny. I found it interesting that the "upload" of Amanda and Ginn caused a computer crash which endangered the surgery, but then Amanda was able to appear and help T.J. If they had not put Chloe/Amanda/Ginn in the chair, presumably T.J. would have continued on with the help of the computer. So Amanda, in a sense, was both the cause and the solution for the computer crash. Wonderfully twisty plotting!

I think the presence of Amanda and Ginn will serve to tie Rush and Eli even more closely to the Destiny.

ArchaeoNerd

garhkal
March 29th, 2011, 02:27 PM
So what is going to be the future of the AI on Destiny now that we the audience know about it fully (Franklin) and it was shown that those who have been uploaded into Destiny have access to all of Destiny's data?

Are we going to see Amanda and Ginn helping the crew piece Destiny back together?
Would they be able to give the crew a back story on Destiny (was it truly never manned?)
We have access to Diagnostic equipment, something tells me that ship would have a full medical bay with proper tools and equipment wouldn't Ginn or Amanda know where it is now?

It would be great to see them at least help out.. Such as when Amanda did with Tammaro.. Though i wonder will it still just be 1 or two people they link up to.. like Franklin-rush, Perry-rush/perry-tj, etc? OR will they start appearing to everyone else?
Also why is it that Perry only was see-able by TJ in the Med bay?



The fact that these three have access to all the knowledge on the ship I would love to know what else of importance is on the ship. As far as I know they never found the ships personal weapons and it wouldn't make much sense for the ship not to have an armory. Basically the ship is no longer a mystery to the crew as they have direct access to AI to answer any and all questions they have. Although I wish it could have been dragged out over at least 1 more season (season 3) to learn about the entire ship I'm at least glad we will get some of it before this final season ends.

It would be GREAT if they can give us a lot more insite into the ship..
How old IS it? Did the ancients ever make it there? How long have the blues been folllowing? What battle damage was it that made those holes in the dome/2nd shuttle? What happened to the 3rd shuttle?


Can Amanda Perry, Ginn and Franklin communicate with each other within the ship's computer? (Maybe in a coffee-shop setting? (g))


That would be an awesome sight to see, them chatting to one another.. Along with Rush's wife.


Is there anyone else hiding in there? Maybe an ancient or two?

Ohh... That would be interesting to see.. Perhaps the builder(s) put themselves into it, knowing they woudl be able to see/experience all the ship did.



I wonder to what degree you need to know something to understand it. Will this be like a chloe type scenario, she can do a lot of interesting things but does not fully understand what she is doing. For instance, was perry able to help with the medical precedure because she was extremely intellegent, but also she possibly had an extremely good knowledge of surgery and the human body as her conditition may have lead her to learn about human physiology? This would mean she could gain access to the information that Desitny has but also able to interpret it for practical application???


Perry was a Doctor.. So who knows, maybe she had some medical knowledge.


But this brings up the question of where Franklin is, and why he didn't tell Rush what had happened to him. Does Franklin not know? Or does Franklin no longer really exist, and instead his image is just being used by Destiny (perhaps he burned himself out trying to get Destiny moving again)?

Remember, rush shut franklin/the interface off after the Battle simulations. So perhaps franklin will show up again. AS to him knowing or not. Perhaps he didn't know what happened due to his Mental state..


Now a version of Rush's dead wife AND his would-be girlfriend are both in the Destiny computer.

UH OH

Rutro raggy!


I find it hard to believe there aren't spare parts on the ship. It would be the logical thing to do, to pack the ship full of spares and redundant systems, so you can easily repair when you eventually gate to it. Because it would be like trying to repair a commodore 64 today, or a Ford Edsel. We're more advanced, but you need parts manufactured back in the day in order to properly fix it.

Perhaps there are. There are a LOT of crates, and such we have not been through.. the ones in that room where we found the repair bot, the ones in the other store rooms... WHo knows?


As far as Rush's wife goes, Rush was in the chair, so the computer could generate an image and personality based on those memories. Given the way it messed with Young, though, odds are it could do that with anyone regardless.

In that case, i wonder if an image of Young's wife will show up?


I wonder whether the AI representations of Amanda, Ginn and Franklin are able to control when and where they appear and who is able to see and hear them, or whether this is all under the control of Destiny. I found it interesting that the "upload" of Amanda and Ginn caused a computer crash which endangered the surgery, but then Amanda was able to appear and help T.J. If they had not put Chloe/Amanda/Ginn in the chair, presumably T.J. would have continued on with the help of the computer. So Amanda, in a sense, was both the cause and the solution for the computer crash. Wonderfully twisty plotting!

Im thinking the crashing etc, was linked to what they were trying to do.. something the chair was most likely not ment for.. and there were 2 personalities we were trying to get.. not just 1.

Trinary
March 29th, 2011, 02:54 PM
I think they don't have the freedom to appear at their will to anyone they like. It still the destiny to decide when or who to appear to whom based on the state of mind of the crew that need an assistant.

tomstone
March 29th, 2011, 03:12 PM
As for Rush´s wife. I know that the Destiny can produce a convincing interpretation of hers if needed(we witnessed its capabilities in the space battle), though I dont think that the Destiny can create a whole new Identity out of the Information it got from Rush. So a Image and behaviour of her is stored in Destiny, but not a real being like Amanda, Gin and Franklin. I even think that Franklin might be the Primary AI since he went through the complete process unlike Chloe with her two friends.

zainea13
March 29th, 2011, 09:15 PM
I agree, Franklin is the main AI because he went through the full process. Ginn and Amanda are just consciousness in the system. And Gloria is just a facade. An image that destiny employs to attack Rush at a different angle. Not an uploaded Gloria or anything. Just a representation. Like a shape-shifter as opposed to a clone.

dgh64
March 29th, 2011, 10:11 PM
I find it hard to believe there aren't spare parts on the ship. It would be the logical thing to do, to pack the ship full of spares and redundant systems, so you can easily repair when you eventually gate to it. Because it would be like trying to repair a commodore 64 today, or a Ford Edsel. We're more advanced, but you need parts manufactured back in the day in order to properly fix it.

If there were spare parts on the ship, then they wouldn't have risked going over to the other Destiny to salvage the "things to make it go". Now, there might be spare parts in some room that they don't know about, but don't you think the computer would have a file somewhere that says "Spare parts are stored here"? Especially since Destiny seems to "know" what they need, you'd think it would have shown them the workshop by now, if there was one.

I'd like to know if these Intelligences (not calling them AI's because they're NOT artificial, but are actual people) can control the ship in any way. Franklin didn't seem to have the ability, or for some reason didn't use it, even though it would've been easier than talking Rush into doing the computer stuff himself. It would certainly be easier if someone could just say to an image of Ginn/Perry/Franklin "We want to go to that planet next" and they could take the ship there without anyone physically at the controls.

zainea13
March 29th, 2011, 10:24 PM
so for SGU AI=Actual Intelligence

Gollumpus
March 29th, 2011, 11:22 PM
I saw the way that Ginn and Amanda reacted to the news of their future status as AI's (at least for a while) to be very appropriate for each. Amanda was trapped inside her body while Ginn was a vibrant, young woman who was used to moving around on her own and not being on life support 24/7. One got freedom (of a sort), one has had her freedom restricted.

I'd be interested in seeing if there can be more than one AI avatar active at any one time. Much like how you never saw Franklin and Gloria at the same time, we were perhaps being shown how things will progress with Ginn and Amanda when they were in Chloe's body. There was one personality coming out at a time, never a hint of two being active at the same time. So, will we ever see Ginn's avatar and Amanda's avatar having a conversation with each other? And while we've seen Amanda Perry speaking to TJ, just how often will these avatar's speak to anyone other than Rush and Eli?

And on an even more troubling note (spoilers just in case):

1.) What if Destiny can only generate one avatar at a time? What if Amanda continues to be the stronger personality? Will she hog most of the avatar time and spend it with Rush, and how will that affect Eli?

2.) And what if they find a way to bring back only ONE of them? Who gets picked?


regards,
G.

spaceship
March 30th, 2011, 12:36 AM
I think the bigger question is can Eli bang virtual girl?

Also the title is way off. AI means artificial intelligence. These three aren't artificial. They used to be real live human beings.

BTW being trapped on destiny for all eternity is a fate worse than death. Don't see how anyone can say that ginn would prefer this existence.

Bagpuss
March 30th, 2011, 01:23 AM
Quick question following on from spaceship's definition of "AI"..would a better title definition be "Integrated Intelligence " or something along those lines ?

spaceship
March 30th, 2011, 02:00 AM
Yeah or perhaps "disembodied intelligence"? Or maybe Ascension beta version.

ckwongau
March 30th, 2011, 02:01 AM
I think the bigger question is can Eli bang virtual girl?

Also the title is way off. AI means artificial intelligence. These three aren't artificial. They used to be real live human beings.

BTW being trapped on destiny for all eternity is a fate worse than death. Don't see how anyone can say that ginn would prefer this existence.

i think as a AI program of Destiny , there are are lot of potential, like download into the Ancient robot,
There is still a lot we don't knwo about the computer avator ,As an avatar of a Destiny 's computer , Ginn and Mandy could be a god of the new enviroment .
The ship can create simulation of dream ,like the dream they put inside Young's head.

Imagine, they can create project nice dreams simulation for Eli and Rush .But when the crew notice the computer are slowing down because of the simulation, they would know Eli and Rush are having sex.

And if they are neutral interface Avatar, not hologram.
They could choose the people they can see them .
Like BSG's Dr Baltar and Head Six.
I still remember all the nuaghty thing Baltar, when every body is watching him , but they didn't notice, because only he can see head six

Bagpuss
March 30th, 2011, 02:08 AM
Yeah or perhaps "disembodied intelligence"? Or maybe Ascension beta version.

Or...."disembodied consciousnesses",maybe ? :)

( Will catch upon the thread later to give you guys time to decide what's the best edit ! :D)

spaceship
March 30th, 2011, 02:09 AM
Ooh in fact I just had an idea. Maybe the ancients didn't really set destiny off without a crew. Maybe the crew lives within destiny's systems waiting for the right day to wake up and scare the hell out of any stowaways.

knowles2
March 30th, 2011, 04:22 AM
I think Perry embraces her new role but Ginn not so much. I get the impression that she's lying to poor Eli at the end. Her body wasn't broken like Perry's. She almost felt willing to accept her fate but did this only at Eli's insistence. I also think she's borderline psychotic. She did kill somebody without hesitation and grew up in a hostile environment. She could become a liability if the series continued. I have to agree.

But the quickness that Amanda Perry learnt the computer systems of Destiny was impressive , I got the feeling they will use those two girls fighting each other for control of the ship as an excuse on why they cannot continually help the destiny crew.

But remember we known a lot of other people in the Stargate who also kills without hesitation, Teal'c and O'nei and Shepherd are all capable of it and are we going to start calling them psychotic

Ginn defferently have not accepted her fate and new existence and I got the feeling Eli may have to end it in the near future himself.

The Swarm
March 30th, 2011, 05:56 AM
Im getting an Andromeda AI smell from SGU....also the AI has control over the ship. It did come to stop when Young left the crew without a lider.

xxxevilgrinxxx
March 30th, 2011, 08:07 AM
Now a version of Rush's dead wife AND his would-be girlfriend are both in the Destiny computer.

UH OHuh oh indeed! But just as bad would be the epic fight if Chloe, Ginn and Perry were all in the same body and Eli, Scott and Rush had to fight it out for time


Quick question following on from spaceship's definition of "AI"..would a better title definition be "Integrated Intelligence " or something along those lines ?Yep, it would be a better title - AI is just habit, I think

Dregun
March 30th, 2011, 08:23 AM
Quick question following on from spaceship's definition of "AI"..would a better title definition be "Integrated Intelligence " or something along those lines ?

I dissagree, it started being artificial once it relied on a computer to create new memories. The intelligence might have started being "normal" intelligence how we think of it today, but once it is inserted into Destiny is when Destiny created a program for "it". That program is going to govern its ability to create and store new memories and that now becomes a part of the AI system governed by the AI system vergo...AI.

Also I would like to point out that the possibility of Ginn or Amanda ever going back into a human host is next to impossible unless the conciousness that was uploaded into Destiny is the same consiousness that is downloaded into a human. These AI have access to Destiny's entire computer and if the AI can learn and it learns fast that means a normal human brain would be a 3.5" floppy when the system needs something much much bigger.

Trinary
March 30th, 2011, 10:10 AM
The RI (Real Intelligence) which is based on consciousness could supersede the AI because they are not bound by the fixed prime directives. Hypothetically, the great mind like Mandy could explore the ship computer medical database and construct an artificial body to host her consciousness.

Similar to O'Neil when he got the Ancient repository in his head, his consciousness managed to find a solution to the problem at hand. Unfortunately, it need a whole new season for SGU to explore these possibilities.

rushy
March 30th, 2011, 12:22 PM
It's easy. Perry and Ginn's role will be the bait to bad guys.

KEK
March 30th, 2011, 12:31 PM
They're not holograms. They're in people heads.

dgh64
March 30th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Im getting an Andromeda AI smell from SGU....also the AI has control over the ship. It did come to stop when Young left the crew without a lider.

That was Destiny's own built-in AI, reacting to the lack of a leader. The uploaded people are different. The built-in AI probably won't let anyone else control the ship, because what if a bad person gained access to the chair and uploaded themselves? Then they could kill everyone on board in a variety of ways, so I don't think they have much control over the ship's systems.

garhkal
March 30th, 2011, 05:46 PM
And on an even more troubling note (spoilers just in case):

1.) What if Destiny can only generate one avatar at a time? What if Amanda continues to be the stronger personality? Will she hog most of the avatar time and spend it with Rush, and how will that affect Eli?

2.) And what if they find a way to bring back only ONE of them? Who gets picked?

That would indeed be one heck of a dilema (#2 that is).. BUT i would also like to know where franklin would fit into that discussion.

morrismike
March 31st, 2011, 04:23 AM
They're not holograms. They're in people heads.
Illusions make more effective decoys.

rushy
March 31st, 2011, 09:57 AM
They're not holograms. They're in people heads.

Yeah. Wait, they are holograms appearing to only who they want them to see.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
March 31st, 2011, 11:56 AM
Rushs wife to me is like Dans wife Mal in the film inception as she is dead but he interacts with the memories he has of her and she behaves how he thinks she would not necessarily how she would.

mjwalshe
April 2nd, 2011, 11:54 AM
I think the bigger question is can Eli bang virtual girl?

Also the title is way off. AI means artificial intelligence. These three aren't artificial. They used to be real live human beings.

BTW being trapped on destiny for all eternity is a fate worse than death. Don't see how anyone can say that ginn would prefer this existence.

so how long til Eli comes up with BSG gag comparing Ginn and Amanda to #6 in particular head 6

garhkal
April 3rd, 2011, 01:13 PM
I too wonder that.. he does seem to be the one.


Though have they Ever made a BSG quip?
Trek, check
Starwars, check
Back to the future, Check
Alien(s) check
Planet of the apes, check

Egle01
April 3rd, 2011, 02:16 PM
I too wonder that.. he does seem to be the one. Maybe he didn't get the Syfy channel?

Haha. Okay, bad one. :o Eli seems to prefer originals (like with Star Wars), maybe he wasn't very impressed with the re-imagined BSG. I think I'd miss any reference to the original one.

skooma
April 4th, 2011, 12:09 AM
Can Amanda Perry, Ginn and Franklin communicate with each other within the ship's computer? (Maybe in a coffee-shop setting? (g))

Is there anyone else hiding in there? Maybe an ancient or two?

So basically like Cylon projection? Great.

Trinary
April 4th, 2011, 04:05 AM
Yeah. Wait, they are holograms appearing to only who they want them to see.

I doubt it's as hologram projection. My guess would be a brainwave signal such as Alpha or Delta wave to a particular target receiver. Very identical like a different dream to a different people but in a wake state. I guess, the AI bypass the neural pathway between sensory input and the information processing. Particularly the eyes and ears inputs.

p/s - Human could perfecting the software efficiency by including the touch feedback through skins by manipulating projected/received images collision like in any game's AIs.

mjwalshe
April 4th, 2011, 05:05 AM
Maybe he didn't get the Syfy channel?

Haha. Okay, bad one. :o Eli seems to prefer originals (like with Star Wars), maybe he wasn't very impressed with the re-imagined BSG. I think I'd miss any reference to the original one.

isn't Eli a bit young to be of the "starbuck cant be a chick" camp

Egle01
April 4th, 2011, 08:42 AM
isn't Eli a bit young to be of the "starbuck cant be a chick" campObviously I can't speak for him, but there's more to BSG than Starbuck, don't you think.

mjwalshe
April 4th, 2011, 03:10 PM
Obviously I can't speak for him, but there's more to BSG than Starbuck, don't you think.

true but that seems to be the view of BSG fans who prefer the original series to the reboot who tend to be old enough to remember the series as kids.

garhkal
April 4th, 2011, 04:12 PM
Obviously I can't speak for him, but there's more to BSG than Starbuck, don't you think.

True dat.. Though if eli is what, 24, then he would have just been born around the time of the first iteration of BSG.. So may have watched it as a kid on the reruns.

fwupow
June 22nd, 2011, 01:21 AM
Very convenient that Eli got Ginn and Mandy shoved into a quarantined area of memory which they can later be released from, if & when the corresponding actresses are available for guest appearances :D

Things to take notice of:

1 Ginn & Mandy were not able to manifest themselves to any Destineers simultaneously. This also seemed to be true of Franklin & Gloria who never appeared to Rush at the same time.

2. Both Ginn & Mandy complained of being suppressed or blocked by the other as if they had to fight for control of a particular program module in Destiny's core system.

3. In the episode 'Aftermath', the camera might be telling us something by panning away from Gloria and then panning back to show Franklin standing exactly where she had been standing on the Bridge talking to Rush. This may be an indication that Gloria is being manifested by Destiny the same as Franklin and that she is not a figment of Rush's imagination.

4. When Rush sought technical details, Gloria was unable to help. Was this due to her lack of expertise or because her consciousness was being limited by Destiny from having access to important data.

5. This episode convinces us that Franklin is the real person of Franklin uploaded into Destiny's memory. So what is Gloria?

6. Rush's use of the chair in season one's 'Human' induced a simulation inside his head in which his late wife Gloria played a major role. Did some pre-existing consciousness in Destiny's memory steal this identity and subsequently pose as her in communications with Rush?

7. When we Earthlings first came aboard Destiny, the CO2 scrubbers where already toasted. There is no need to scrub CO2, if there are no CO2 producing creatures onboard. Destiny is a smart ship which would have kept life-support and artificial gravity turned off if there were no life-forms onboard. The condition of the CO2 scrubbers indicates that some sort of lifeform(s) must have spent significant time on Destiny at some point in the past. Should we not expect that one or more of them sat in the neural interface chair and got themselves uploaded?

8. Did the blue aliens never get onboard the Destiny? They seemed to have no trouble attaching to the hull and cutting perfectly round holes in it. Seems reasonable to think that they could just wait around for a brief weakening of the shield and dive in.

Real shame that the show got axed so rudely by SyFy that we'll never have answers to so many questions and open threads.

garhkal
June 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM
Well on your point 7.. we know from all rush and co have said, it was meant to be unmanned.. BUT perhaps the scrubbers failed cause they were so darn old.

Even without anyone being there, they will still degrade.