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March 13th, 2011, 02:46 PM
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Pharaoh Atem
May 9th, 2011, 06:48 PM
That was absolutly beautiful great way to end it all

nx01a
May 9th, 2011, 06:48 PM
*sniff*

Wolf O'Donnell
May 9th, 2011, 06:49 PM
I wish it didn't have to end but what a good ending it was.

morbosfist
May 9th, 2011, 06:49 PM
Nice ambiguous ending there. Leaves you asking questions but there's still hope.

FoX-1028
May 9th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Beautiful ending... just like Air when Destiny was powering up... :(
Goodbye STARGATE

morrismike
May 9th, 2011, 06:50 PM
3 years is just about when the sga movie will come out and we've got a way to gate them supplies

General Jumper One
May 9th, 2011, 06:52 PM
Very nice ending to a series! A barely call that a cliff hanger. They've come full circle.

Pharaoh Atem
May 9th, 2011, 06:52 PM
brilliant idea to skip over the drones. Destiny flipping the bird at them all the way to the next galaxy

SG1Commander
May 9th, 2011, 06:52 PM
I can't believe that's how they're ending the show. We'll never know what happens now :(

I know it's highly unlikely; if not downright impossible, but I hope Syfy realizes their mistake and brings the show back.

Greenfire32
May 9th, 2011, 06:52 PM
This could actually work out in the end. If a another series (or a continuation of this one) were to come up 3 years from now, can you just imagine how well it would play to the story?

Provided we can get the same actors or most of them, I think waiting 3 years would not only be healthy for Stargate, but could also work towards the storyline. They've been in stasis and so have we.

Thoughts?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 9th, 2011, 06:53 PM
i don't know what to say. this episode really left some very unanswered questions. i saw the powering down as the powering down of the stargate history.

Cold Fuzz
May 9th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Great ending. The early action was wonderfully balanced with the emotion in the second half off the episode. Eli volunteering at the end really showed the kind of strength he really has. :)

I'm hoping that the 3 years to the next galaxy is a prophetic case of art imitating life... and we see what happens to all of them in 2014.

Browncoat1984
May 9th, 2011, 06:55 PM
I was initially upset at the whole cliffhanger thing but you know, I was happy with it. Not what I would have preferred for an entire series, but its very poetic and certainly leave it open. I can tell where they would have come in with the movie/miniseries to finish it, just say that when they wake Destiny is at its objective.

Come on, MGM! Show some heart! Give us one last hurrah!

Steff
May 9th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Beautiful Ending. Thanks for the ride SU.

r81984
May 9th, 2011, 06:56 PM
Healthy for stargate? that makes no sense.
It just hurts the franchise to kill of a series after they fired all stupid writers from the first season. It was just getting good.

Shan Bruce Lee
May 9th, 2011, 06:56 PM
I like it as an ending, I just wish it wasn't.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 9th, 2011, 06:57 PM
Great ending. The early action was wonderfully balanced with the emotion in the second half off the episode. Eli volunteering at the end really showed the kind of strength he really has.

I'm hoping that the 3 years to the next galaxy is a case of art imitating life... and we see what happens to all of them in 2014.

actually SGU started a few weeks after Enemy at the gate and that was in 2009 so really its still 2010 in the SG Universe. so three years would be 2013.

nightsfire
May 9th, 2011, 06:57 PM
but by then stargate the name its self would have faded
the only way to do that is to make another series as a filler for the 3 years then it would keep stargate alive

acerfire
May 9th, 2011, 06:57 PM
Destiny is now dark, shut down, and effectively in hibernation. For an undetermined amount of time. Could be 3 years, could be many, many more. It's future uncertain, and the only person left awake is Eli... the person in the show who is supposed to represent the 'everyman', or all of us. He's left awake to fix a problem, and bring Stargate into a new universe of story. Thoughts?

Stargater276
May 9th, 2011, 06:57 PM
It may be a distant hope, but I'm willing to slowly bring aboard new Gaters. At the very least we can keep this franchise alive in spirit and maybe prevent Emmerich from getting the rights to Stargate back.

Greenfire32
May 9th, 2011, 06:57 PM
I can't believe that's how they're ending the show. We'll never know what happens now :(

We've known it was going to be a cliffhanger since December......

Playtime20
May 9th, 2011, 06:58 PM
I hope Eli can fix the stasis pod if we DO get a 3rd Season later on

nightsfire
May 9th, 2011, 06:58 PM
i feel a great weakness in the force good bye stargate we will miss you dearly and watch reruns over and over because they will use them as time fillers

r81984
May 9th, 2011, 06:58 PM
Very nice ending to a series! A barely call that a cliff hanger. They've come full circle.
Not at all.
It was a great season ender, but a terrilbe series ender.
The non-ending endings are what bad writers do.

They should have changed the script when they knew it would be the final episode.

General Jumper One
May 9th, 2011, 06:58 PM
I like it

Cold Fuzz
May 9th, 2011, 06:58 PM
actually SGU started a few weeks after Enemy at the gate and that was in 2009 so really its still 2010 in the SG Universe. so three years would be 2013.

I'm talking about 3 years in real life, hoping for a concluding movie or some kind of follow-up in 2014.

morrismike
May 9th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Eli gets in the pod, Ginn shunts him into AI world and he never leaves.

Pharaoh Atem
May 9th, 2011, 07:00 PM
the crew and the franchise is going into stasis. love the irony

SGJ
May 9th, 2011, 07:01 PM
Sad to see over half of my lifetime worth of quality television ending. What a great ending. very much like S2(?) of Battlestar that moves the story ahead many months or years into the future. I'd like to think that McKay or Carter could find a way to redial destiny in that time and get them the supplies/power they need. But it sounds like we'll never know. Besides I'd want them to finish the long waiting SG-1 and SGA movies before a movie or miniseries for SGU.

Replicator Todd
May 9th, 2011, 07:02 PM
The ending of the episode greatly improved my opinion of the whole episode overall. Very glad we got to see the Stargate used in the last episode, not that I wasn't expecting it but...well...nevermind. The ending of the episode reminds me very much of how SGU began.

Too bad we didn't get to see what would happen next. :(

I will say it many more times. The long Stargate hiatus begins now. :(

JDeus01
May 9th, 2011, 07:03 PM
i would love to see everybody weaking up and see "old" Eli.
f.... you syfy you are dead to me

Sue_Jackson
May 9th, 2011, 07:04 PM
*sniff*

:sheppardanime32:

Noooooo!!!!!!! It's over!! :(

OMG. I'm still crying here. When I started watching the episode, I didn't even expect to cry. But...when they all started saying goodbye to their loved ones, and got in the stasis pods...I just lost it. When they all said goodbye to each other...it seemed so final. Then...when Eli said that he'd be the one to stay, is where I lost it. I loved how Young said that they were like family. That was nice. And...Rush told Eli that he has potential. That was nice of him. So...it did bother Rush that Eli was smarter than him.

That was pretty cool when they used one of the shuttles to take out that mothership. I was like, cool! :D

Let's hope they survive 3 years. May be in 3 years MGM will have the means to make the SGU movie. Here's to 2013. :zelenka25:

Greenfire32
May 9th, 2011, 07:04 PM
actually SGU started a few weeks after Enemy at the gate and that was in 2009 so really its still 2010 in the SG Universe. so three years would be 2013.

Enemy at the Gate aired in January and Air Part 1 aired in October. Besides, they've caught up with us (as far as timelines go) because it took them a month to travel pass the Faithliens' planet and months more to cross the void between galaxies.

They're in real time.

Daralundy
May 9th, 2011, 07:04 PM
They didn't know it would be the series ender until after everything was already completed.


Not at all.
It was a great season ender, but a terrilbe series ender.
The non-ending endings are what bad writers do.

They should have changed the script when they knew it would be the final episode.

Pharaoh Atem
May 9th, 2011, 07:04 PM
We've known it was going to be a cliffhanger since December......

it was a ending more then a cliffhanger IMO

Spidey3121
May 9th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Great Ending - very sad to see them power the ship down (fitting as it's now the end of the franchise). Some have mentioned they may have had an inkling this would be the end and i certainly agree. It didn't provide closer but this isn't the typical cliffhanger we're used to seeing from Stargate. And in my mind, Eli lives. To me this was the most powerful end to a Stargate series yet...

Steff
May 9th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Very nice ending to a series! A barely call that a cliff hanger. They've come full circle.

Totaly agree. It started with Eli and ended with him. And he was happy. :D

jelgate
May 9th, 2011, 07:06 PM
Enemy at the Gate aired in January and Air Part 1 aired in October. Besides, they've caught up with us (as far as timelines go) because it took them a month to travel pass the Faithliens' planet and months more to cross the void between galaxies.

They're in real time.I think he is refering to the fact that Air in continuity is a few weeks after EATG

Web Of Hair
May 9th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Torchwood: SG-U

The British invade the Stargate, Captain Jack Harkness and the gang take control of Destiny. Use tech stolen from the Daleks and Cybermen.

Greenfire32
May 9th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Not at all.
It was a great season ender, but a terrilbe series ender.
The non-ending endings are what bad writers do.

They should have changed the script when they knew it would be the final episode.The episodes were already written, shot, produced and finished when the cancellation news came.

They were banking on a third season.

Greenfire32
May 9th, 2011, 07:09 PM
it was a ending more then a cliffhanger IMO

Oh I agree. I was just pointing out that we all knew it wasn't going to be spectacular closure episode since December.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 9th, 2011, 07:09 PM
I think he is refering to the fact that Air in continuity is a few weeks after EATG

I am. Thanks.

lvalen18
May 9th, 2011, 07:10 PM
from SG-1 to SGU ... it was a part of me that now is gone... im sad now :(

BURN IN __ THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN!!!

for the time being.. This is the End of the Stargate Franchise

Thor_1980
May 9th, 2011, 07:10 PM
3 years is just about when the sga movie will come out and we've got a way to gate them supplies

I hope you are right and they continue the show eventually...you figure the scripts for the SG1 and SGA movies are already complete. I hope the ratings were sky high and people buy the SGA blue ray set. MGM needs to see Stargate is not dead just syfy lost its way and turned its back on the genre!

You never know guys...

Greenfire32
May 9th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Healthy for stargate? that makes no sense.
It just hurts the franchise to kill of a series after they fired all stupid writers from the first season. It was just getting good.

The franchise was starting to outgrow itself. A break can be a good thing.

I'm not saying it is healthy, only that it could be.

mebua95
May 9th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Great ending, although I never felt the Eli connection (as representing me). Understandable that he would be the last person on Destiny.

I will miss Stargate. There is no other franchise like it. I feel like there will be a hole left in my viewing pleasures. Thanks for the great fun over the years, Cooper, Wright, and Co.

SG1Commander
May 9th, 2011, 07:19 PM
We've known it was going to be a cliffhanger since December......
I knew it was going to be a cliffhanger; I just can't believe that's the ending. To me it was more heart-wrenching then Incursion Pt 2 and Lost City.

nx01a
May 9th, 2011, 07:22 PM
I knew it was going to be a cliffhanger; I just can't believe that's the ending. To me it was more heart-wrenching then Incursion Pt 2 and Lost City.I didn't really find either of them heart-wrenching. We knew the Asgard would help Jack or the info in Atlantis would, and I seriously doubted Kiva et al would kill out heroes.

'Gauntlet' was... wow. I need some time to process and write a full review. Wow.

Carter1994
May 9th, 2011, 07:23 PM
Post #50. My timing is officially amazing. :P

Also, I find it amazing that there are 146 members currently browsing this thread...

Anyway, my short response (perhaps I'll do a longer one later):

I was one of those "middle-of-the-road" people throughout season one and the first three or four episodes of S2. Some episodes I loved, some I absolutely despised. When news of the cancellation broke, I was a bit disappointed, but not especially surprised.

Then came the final stretch. Starting from the mid season finale, suddenly SGU was good. And I mean, really, really good. Had me practically glued to the screen when it aired every night. Even made Mondays something to look forward to. :D

And now it's gone. Over, point of fact. Seems... impossible, doesn't it? But, if it had to go out on a cliffie, I'm glad it was this one. True, we had all of zero threads wrapped up, but this wasn't supposed to be a finale. That last shot of Destiny felt fitting.

Gauntlet, in a word, was amazing.

I only wish there were the hope of it coming back. :(

vidastars
May 9th, 2011, 07:24 PM
I am very sad to see it go.:(:(:(:(:(:(:( They should keep making it and just put them straight to dvd. I liked the hole it started with Eli so it'll end with him. Tears came to my eyes so sad I hate when they cancelle a show that I love. Now in honor of the END of stargate time for me to get my tattoo. Stay tuned for picts.

STARGATE FOREVER!!!

RepliVeggie
May 9th, 2011, 07:26 PM
3 years is just about when the sga movie will come out and we've got a way to gate them supplies

SGA and SG1 moves were scrapped indefinitely. There will not be an SGA movie without a MAJOR turn around by MGM.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 9th, 2011, 07:38 PM
so if there was a season three would it be set immediately after Gauntlet or would it be three years later?

nx01a
May 9th, 2011, 07:41 PM
so if there was a season three would it be set immediately after Gauntlet or would it be three years later?Well, unless they show how Eli solves the whole... death thing for an episode, or spend an episode focusing on Sharon and Eli's mom and Scott's kid and *gag* Telford, I'd say they'd have started the next episode with everyone waking up.

General Jumper One
May 9th, 2011, 07:42 PM
so if there was a season three would it be set immediately after Gauntlet or would it be three years later?

interesting question

happyguy142
May 9th, 2011, 07:53 PM
All I am going to say is wow........I love the ending due to the way they left it wide open to be picked up again.......as we all keep hearing that probably isn't going to happen but the opening is there............My wife and I are beyond annoyed at the way they left Eli........I mean again it's open that he may or may not survive.....but Eli was our favorite character and not knowing if he survives or not is going to kill us......Granted if the show never comes back we technically do not know if anyone survives but that is besides the point!

But I do agree with what a lot of people say. I do like how the show has come full circle with the ship going into hibernation in a sense.

This being the probable last episode of Stargate as a series is very hard for my wife and I. In a sense it is part of the reason we got together in the first place. It was on the first night that we had met. We were sitting watching tv when she passed by Stargate SG1, she stopped right on it saying "OOO Stargate!"......I knew right then I was going to like her ;-)

Buit we have had Stargate in some way or form since we have been together......now there is no more....I'm not sure how much longer our marriage is going to last :-P

TheRandomOne
May 9th, 2011, 07:55 PM
It is kind of messed up though that regardless of past events The Langara dudes are just ready to let these people die instead of let Earth give them supplies & send more people there. If it was Langara that discovered The Destiny & it was Langara people that had people stuck there then they would certainly ask Earth for help. Earth should just say **** Langara

Pharaoh Atem
May 9th, 2011, 07:57 PM
It is kind of messed up though that regardless of past events The Langara dudes are just ready to let these people die instead of let Earth give them supplies & send more people there. If it was Langara that discovered The Destiny & it was Langara people that had people stuck there then they would certainly ask Earth for help. Earth should just say **** Langara the The Langara's have all the right in the world to protect their planet.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 9th, 2011, 08:00 PM
you know we saved their asses twice. 1st time was from the attack by anubis in Homecoming and the second when they decided to test that dang naquadria bomb on one of the rival countries and it almost caused a chain reaction. yeah we may owe them due to the fact that we tried to dial destiny but in reality, Jonas quinn should've been the one to conduct the negotiations on the langaran side.

Ashthebash
May 9th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Post #50. My timing is officially amazing. :P

Also, I find it amazing that there are 146 members currently browsing this thread...

Anyway, my short response (perhaps I'll do a longer one later):

I was one of those "middle-of-the-road" people throughout season one and the first three or four episodes of S2. Some episodes I loved, some I absolutely despised. When news of the cancellation broke, I was a bit disappointed, but not especially surprised.

Then came the final stretch. Starting from the mid season finale, suddenly SGU was good. And I mean, really, really good. Had me practically glued to the screen when it aired every night. Even made Mondays something to look forward to. :D

And now it's gone. Over, point of fact. Seems... impossible, doesn't it? But, if it had to go out on a cliffie, I'm glad it was this one. True, we had all of zero threads wrapped up, but this wasn't supposed to be a finale. That last shot of Destiny felt fitting.

Gauntlet, in a word, was amazing.

I only wish there were the hope of it coming back. :(

I was the same way not really into the "new" stargate. I was mad that they cancelled both sg-1 and Atlantis. But after watching this last season it really grew on me.

If you look at it though the story could work perfect. If some cast can't return then "oops". Their particular pod malfunctioned. Also if they look obviously older then destiny realized that it was losing too much power and instead of completely shutting down the pods instead slowly dropped the level of suspension to allow them to age increasing energy life and keeping them sustained and alive.

Would work for a returning seires or movie. You know that within three years they would have negotiated something to be able to use Langara to dial destiny so thus they could bring new members on board. McKay or Carter Maybe!!

Traveler Enroute1
May 9th, 2011, 08:28 PM
:tealcanime51: Lost my award winning thoughts to a server error!!

Then again, that's a good sign; lots of comments going on about this series ending. :o

Oh, well. I'll just say I'll miss Stargate: Universe. It made a believer out of me from mid-season 1, and been faithful since.

I suggest the PTB use the unused scripts (if any) to create a continuing novel series that completes season 3, and more. This was an exceptional season and a powerful last episode. The Stargate at the ending - priceless.

Fare thee well, Stargate Universe, and Stargate. We knew you well, and will remember you well.

DanielAlteran
May 9th, 2011, 08:37 PM
I am 19 and Stargate has been an amazing show. I have been watching it my whole life (It Seems) and I have loved every minute of it. This Is one of the most thought out and intelligent Science Fiction shows I have ever seen. I will never forget the shows (SG-1, SGA, and SGU) nor the Characters.

Although I hate that I didn't get to see an SGA movie, and I wish I could have seen another SG-1 movie, And I would have loved more SGU... I do find this A Good ending to the series.

When I found out that Gauntlet was going to be the last episode, I was expecting a huge cliffhanger. But that isn't at all what SGU Provided.

I am satisfied with the last 17 Seasons of Stargate Shows, and I look forward to the day when Stargate will return. But, until that day comes, I will relive, again and again, the beautiful story that is STARGATE.

With a tear in my eye, I look at Stargate and I say...... Goodbye.




(For Now)

Dilithium
May 9th, 2011, 08:41 PM
It was a good show. I didn’t care for the way Col. Young hung his head down and folded his arms in the stasis pod. It reminded me of a funeral pose suggesting a finality I’m not ready to accept. Destiny looks big enough that there could be additional stasis pods elsewhere onboard maybe in an unexplored section of the ship for Eli to discover. The unanswered questions IMO leaves a positive feeling of hope. I’ve grown to like many of the characters and will miss the.

Uncle Tobias
May 9th, 2011, 09:00 PM
I liked the mirroring of the opening shot of Air (which is a favourite of mine) with the powering down and Destiny flying off into the unknown.

Rush calling Eli "Mr. Wallace" was a nice little gesture of respect, too. :)

What a shame it had to end :(

chris777
May 9th, 2011, 09:13 PM
This basically marks the death for the channel for , me. Are there some ok shows that I could watch on the network, if nothing else was on another channel, sure, and their will always be reruns. But I am also kind of thinking in principle of it, where those Rectonauts running SyFY have run the network aground, on Smackdown, and quantum kitchen. I say that they want to let Stargate, Die, fine. I say Let those cancerous rectonauts just go ahead and kill the whole organism, and let something newer and frankly better take its place.

Sorry I am just tired of it, why should we , any of us, support this crappy network, one more day? Whats left? a whole Slew of Asylum flicks, Leeching off the toejam of much better movies based on name alone? These are the people SyFy have CHOSEN to do busness with. They arent after imagining bigger, they are after the next Buck they can leech every red cent out of and move on to the next victim, just like a vampire, just like a cancer.

I say let them die. I am sure others will saym oh but what about sanctuary, and eureka, Oh well neither of them would have been here had stargate not blazed the way.

And please dont get on here and say that stargate had to die that some new series might live, whatever. .

It might be different If their were even a twinge on the Horizion, but their is NOTHING, about as nothing as the Senario on the show, demonstrates on the horizon.

Im done supporting that crappy network. But hey I have pretty much given up on television anyway, this is just the nail in the whole coffin.

Pretty good finale I guess they had some clue that they wouldnt be renewed, as this works out as a finale anyway.

Kaiphantom
May 9th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Have to agree with the sentiment that it's not a bad ending to the series, given the cancellation. A lot can happen in three years. Perhaps in Season 3, Eli would have awoken them early, or maybe they would have awoken in the next galaxy; who knows? I think JM or someone might detail what was planned for the beyond, which would be interesting in one sense. In some ways, I am a bit saddened, but it in other ways, I felt the overall style and tone of the show wasn't what I really wanted in Stargate.

But that's leading into overall thoughts, and this is a review of the final episode of SGU.

I pretty much felt the stasis pods were going to be used in order to allow Destiny to skip the drones; I felt that scenario was fairly obvious. They were going to need to put the crew in storage for some reason.

And it is my man, Eli, who comes through. He's been one of the most likeable, well-rounded individuals in the whole series. Sane, smart, humorous, and useful. He may be the everyman, but he is also the most relatable on the entire ship, and it is his performance that I felt made everyone else look less than smart. It is a pity. Sure, I understand TPTB wanting to get a bit away from the "we're a happy family that all gets along and works for the good of us all" mindset of SG-1 and Atlantis, but I felt they got too far away. Or perhaps the concept just doesn't work in the Stargate Universe. I was disappointed that too few people showcased rational sense.

Too much crazy, and not enough sense.

And again, I find myself musing on the series as a whole, instead of the episode, heh. What can I say? There weren't any glaring errors or holes, and the music montage was short (and they haven't had one for a long while now) so I let that pass. I suppose the only thing, really, are the drones. Destiny has been through so many galaxies already, and must have seen battle after battle... so why is it suddenly these drones which can do so much damage?

But I'll let that go, too. This season finale, which also turned out to be the series finale, worked as a decent capper. SGU had it's good moments and bad, episodes that rank among my favorite and moments of stupidity that made me question it's value. At the very least, it was an interesting entry. It was the last series I had been following on TV, and that is at least saying something.

Cest le vie.

escyos
May 9th, 2011, 09:54 PM
Contact Syfy and tell them that you are going to give them a billion dollars and then only hand over 50c and scream "HOW DO YOU LIKE IT!?"

senilegreen
May 9th, 2011, 10:10 PM
Gauntlet came off as an appropriate ending, though I think Epilogue was actually a better type of ending.

Clearly the writers knew that they had to work a final episode of the season that could also work as a "good bye".

The possibility of them being in stasis for thousands of years really does put the whole Stargate franchise in perspective - it might take many years before the Stargate concept springs forth another production. Likewise Telford's comment about grey hair.

It was also right that Eli would be the one left at the end. The story line depended upon his discovery so ultimately he is the most fitting cog wheel in the machine of the arc.

PG15
May 9th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Great episode. Great show. Great franchise.

Thank you, cast and crew of Stargate SG1, Atlantis, and Universe for making 14 years and 17 seasons of one of the best scifi sagas of all time.

ussrelativity
May 9th, 2011, 10:29 PM
This was a very intense episode.

And it was planned well.

ferguson4848
May 9th, 2011, 10:32 PM
What an amazing way to end it all. I'm still reeling. I'm so proud of Eli.

http://www.robotplunger.com/2011/05/the-gate-will-not-engage/

kcordloh
May 9th, 2011, 10:48 PM
It was a very emotional goodbye for me to Stargate, and I must say Season 2 definitely stepped up after I almost quit SGU after Season 1, loyalty to the series is all that got me through E12-18 in season 1.

Was very touching, very well timed cliff hanger/sendoff, and all around both it and Epilogue would have both been find finale's, but I like this one better. It's more "Farewell for now" then goodbye for sure, and the crew's comments on "3 years, give or take, if we wake up at all" were very heartfelt and real world applicable to the entire franchise.

Ssuper Kyle
May 9th, 2011, 11:00 PM
If the dome had been fixed and the plants had been replanted, Eli could have survived. He actually could have set up his own ship interface and controls if he had the time.

LeonK
May 9th, 2011, 11:37 PM
Not a bad episode at all.

I do hate the nagging question of whether he made it into the pod or not....but....such is life I guess. Although, that little smile on Eli's face at the end....was it a smile that said "I just figured it out" or something else?....Hrm....

R.I.P. Stargate

bluehat
May 9th, 2011, 11:42 PM
Hmm, my feeling is this:


The smile on Eli's face is palpable at the end.
He *is* the ancient descendant on the ship.
He doesn't need a pod because he can sit in the *chair*, and be absorbed/protected by destiny.

In three years he wakes up Rush and the others from their stasis, and they use the chair to get him back out of the Destiny, and thereby discover the truth about his heritage. Then again maybe not...

Otherwise, a fine end to a good show :(.

escyos
May 9th, 2011, 11:44 PM
You don't think that they'll actually wait three years (in real life) to show us the conclusions?

I am Goa'uld
May 10th, 2011, 12:29 AM
you know we saved their asses twice. 1st time was from the attack by anubis in Homecoming and the second when they decided to test that dang naquadria bomb on one of the rival countries and it almost caused a chain reaction. yeah we may owe them due to the fact that we tried to dial destiny but in reality, Jonas quinn should've been the one to conduct the negotiations on the langaran side.

yeah your right. it would have been pretty epic to see jonas as a guest star on an SGU episode.

spinny magee
May 10th, 2011, 12:32 AM
One could consider Epilogue a proper ending

But this was epic, mirrored the beginning, imo they didn't know for sure that it would be cancelled, the end scenes were done "Just in case"

Which is good because it almost gives you hope for a revival in a few years (next decade)

I only started watching this in 2002, but hot damn thats a good 9 years watching the same franchise.

Godspeed Stargate and may the force be with you

wolverine_nl
May 10th, 2011, 12:54 AM
I really loved this episode... everything in this serie is now in balance, so too bad we have no ending to the overall story (yet..) But as an end of this season it is really well done.

Sp!der
May 10th, 2011, 01:38 AM
It worked as an ending for the whole show. It was beautiful and yet the best ending of a Stargate show up to date, it managed easily to beat EotG and Unending. I loved it. Everything of it.

Corona
May 10th, 2011, 01:40 AM
It would be difficult to write a better finale for SG-U. The pullback of Eli completely fascinated with the majesty of the view, totally alone, was epic.

This is also Sci-Fi and people only die when they want a raise or they want to go. Maybe the chair, maybe aliens or maybe like The Sopranos, ???

I laughed at the feeble commercials for the replacement shows. That just ain't happening!

Dear China: Have you ever seen a series called Stargate?..............

Pecisk
May 10th, 2011, 02:03 AM
Respectful, outstanding and emotional finish. I hope SGU will continue in books or comics after MGM will get it's **** together (and hopefully Brad and rest of writers won't turn down this idea). But it gave me some closure for now.

Thank you guys for everything.

Demoniser
May 10th, 2011, 02:05 AM
Well i really really enjoyed that, definitely one of the best SGU episodes. It is such a crime that it got cancelled.

Seriously compare the last four episodes of SGU (Common Descent, Epilogue, Blockade & Gauntlet) to the first few of season one (Air, Darkness, Light, Water, etc). You can see there was a definite jump in quality.

- Drones were interesting but they really weren' the focus of the episode.
- I was constantly thinking, somethings going to happen, somethings going to go wrong, and it did again and again, first with the 8 broken pods, then with Rush, Eli and Young essentially drawing straws.
- Really liked the character moments, very well done, and not cheesy at all.
- The sequence at the end with Eli, and then the ship sailing into deep space, fantastic ending.
- Great to see Eli go out on a high note, (possibly) taking one for the team.

I'd say overall, Stargate went out on a high note. *salutes*

Commander Zelix
May 10th, 2011, 03:11 AM
As an episode it was very good. As a series ending it was great. As other have said it is a nice metaphor for a franchise which may have to go in Stasis for a couple of months or years.

For a moment, toward the end, I thought Eli would try to repair the pod then sit in the chair to join Ginn in the Destiny's memory system. But the ending was beautiful since every possibilities are open. Eli can repair the pod, the drones can find and attack the ship, earth may have found another idea or could provide supply (with Langara help maybe), they can wake up in 3 years in the next galaxy or in 100 at the edge of the universe.

Again beautiful metaphor for a great franchise going into a little hiatus. For many fans, Stargate also been part of the family the last 17 years in some small way. Let's hope it re-awake from stasis with a whole new future sooner rather than later.

MechaThor
May 10th, 2011, 04:01 AM
What a beautiful ending, I was really worried it would end on a massive life or death situation in the middle of an epic space battle with the drones where the shields are about to fail, several characters are trapped in damaged area's and about to die, a nearby Star is about to explode and the gate is stuck open and Alien Velociraptors and pouring through. But instead we got a really fitting ending which actually gave some closure and allowed us to say goodbye to each character individually as they got into the pods. Plus it tied off the past year by shifting into another new galaxy, closing the story of the Drones and possibly the Blues. It also gave us a 3 year window... come on relaunch!!!

I' am really sad that Stargate Universe and Stargate as a whole has come to an end. I really enjoyed this 3rd series right from the opening scene in Air as the Destiny slowing flew into shot (BTW, loved how the ending of Gauntlet was almost a mirror image to the start of Air, with the lights turning off and the ship flying away, perfect). I am particularly sad that Stargate Universe was cut right in its prime, just as it was starting to find its balance. Thanks to the very nature of Destiny constantly switching galaxies I could have seen Universe go on for years like SG-1, never getting dull and always changing and introducing new elements and mythology.

Goodbye Stargate Universe, goodbye Stargate. Thanks for everything, I shall be enjoying and re-enjoying you on DVD (and eventually Crystals :D) for years to come.

Thanks you. MechThor

Lahela
May 10th, 2011, 04:33 AM
That was, without a shadow of a doubt, one of the finest endings to a TV show I have ever seen.

Vale, Stargate. You will be missed.

Callie
May 10th, 2011, 04:59 AM
Perfect. Just the absolutely perfect ending to this series, and to the Stargate franchise. All through the final scene I was convinced that a command ship would suddenly appear, leaving the series on a cliffhanger, and as we saw Destiny starting to fly away from the camera I was wailing at the screen, “End it! End it now!” And when they ended it now, I wailed in total relief, and in anguish that it was over, and cried solidly for an hour afterwards before I could even start typing. Perfect ending. Just perfect.

And now - apart from stopping to add this comment - I'm typing like a lunatic to get this transcript done ... even though I never want it to end! Eight years of typing Stargate transcripts - what am I going to do with my life in future?!

Joben
May 10th, 2011, 05:00 AM
I enjoyed the episode, although one part underlined what I don't like about the writing of many episodes of the show: The totally pointless battle with the drones/getting the materials off the planet. Volker: The last eight pods won't work. Everybody else: Who will Young decide to kill off? And then in five minutes it's totally resolved in the middle of the episode, adding nothing more than a CGI battle scene and nothing to the actual story other than a side quest.

Sorry for ranting a bit, it's just that I finally put a finger on why the action scenes in SGU are often boring in spite of the SFX: They pull this stunt too many times, and in the end there is no drama or tension attached to it

Ian-S
May 10th, 2011, 05:03 AM
As an episode it was very good. As a series ending it was great. As other have said it is a nice metaphor for a franchise which may have to go in Stasis for a couple of months or years.

For a moment, toward the end, I thought Eli would try to repair the pod then sit in the chair to join Ginn in the Destiny's memory system. But the ending was beautiful since every possibilities are open. Eli can repair the pod, the drones can find and attack the ship, earth may have found another idea or could provide supply (with Langara help maybe), they can wake up in 3 years in the next galaxy or in 100 at the edge of the universe.

Again beautiful metaphor for a great franchise going into a little hiatus. For many fans, Stargate also been part of the family the last 17 years in some small way. Let's hope it re-awake from stasis with a whole new future sooner rather than later.

You just about sum up my thoughts exactly, even the jumping into the chair and uploading himself into the mainframe for a bit of time with Gin, that way they could explain away his impending death and bring him back as a EMH (Eli Mathboy Hologram) to interact with the crew, but sadly we'll never find out.

A small part of me hopes this whole cancellation business is just some idiot Skiffy executive's warped idea of viral advertising the show seeing as it said "Now: Stargate Universe Season Finale" in the corner of the screen and not "Now: Stargate Universe Series Finale", but it's only a small part.

R.I.P. Stargate, 1994-2011.

kmiller1610
May 10th, 2011, 05:05 AM
Loved the ending. We have all seen so many improbable, last minute wrap ups of great series and in this case, we got a show just beginning to show its promise with a great ending.

Nice switch.

Shadow_7
May 10th, 2011, 05:22 AM
A nice ending, kind of tragic that it is the ending. Dead kitten on the side of the road tragic. But not really an ending IMO.

Still a lot of what if's. Thinking that Captain Eli will somehow find a way to increase engine efficiency or recharge before crossing the void. For everyone to wake up from stasis with 3yo older Eli who's fully repaired the ship and even painted the interior a brilliant white. And Eli with full knowledge of the contents of Destiny's database. And talking initially in fluent ancient. Until he realizes that he used to speak english. And so did everyone else.

happyguy142
May 10th, 2011, 05:34 AM
All I am going to say is wow........I love the ending due to the way they left it wide open to be picked up again.......as we all keep hearing that probably isn't going to happen but the opening is there............My wife and I are beyond annoyed at the way they left Eli........I mean again it's open that he may or may not survive.....but Eli was our favorite character and not knowing if he survives or not is going to kill us......Granted if the show never comes back we technically do not know if anyone survives but that is besides the point!

But I do agree with what a lot of people say. I do like how the show has come full circle with the ship going into hibernation in a sense.

This being the probable last episode of Stargate as a series is very hard for my wife and I. In a sense it is part of the reason we got together in the first place. It was on the first night that we had met. We were sitting watching tv when she passed by Stargate SG1, she stopped right on it saying "OOO Stargate!"......I knew right then I was going to like her ;-)

Buit we have had Stargate in some way or form since we have been together......now there is no more....I'm not sure how much longer our marriage is going to last :-P




I would like to take back my comments about how the series ended. Upon reading other posts I now see how great the ending was. The series started with Eli and ended with Eli along with the shutdown of Destiny just like the waking up of Destiny at the beginning.

Not only that but if by some magical chance the series comes back somewhere, they have set it so all of the characters come back or some of the characters come back. Eli is no different. Perhad some of the stasis pods don't mak it or somthing for those who don't come back.

I give a very large kudos to the writers. Having to end the series so prematurely they really could not have ended it better. They have left it wide open to come back.

mizzoueng
May 10th, 2011, 06:22 AM
It was a really good episode, for a Series Finale it was great as well.

If Season 3 were a go, then I would have given this finale a B+ at best. There was some good action and development, but overall the episode was flat for a finale that was supposed to lead into next season.

Plus, it was the SEASON finale, shouldn't it have been longer than a normal episode?

Anyways, I liked the dynamic between Chloe and Rush. She's brilliant and he knows it, Rush seems to be seeing the fact that he is starting to become the "third wheel". Chloe grew a LOT this season. She can now calculate the FTL jumps to within 500' of where they want to be. Thats crazy super-math skills there. She's come a long way in 2 seasons from being the useless silverspooned daughter with no talents whatsoever.

Eli was finally starting to show a backbone to Rush, speaking his mind to Young, and being the leader he is meant to be. Now we won't get to see the epic brilliance that could have been. We were told by Mallozi at one point that a major character would die. Of course, he cannot be trusted in any sense with what he says "will happen". I think Eli would have worked on the pod for a couple days, saw it was useless, and then used the remaining power he was allocated to "die" and upload his mind to the mainframe. Ginn and Perry are still in quarantine, so he can't interact with them without working out the issues first, which take power.

I was kind of hoping we would see Franklin and Rush's wife one last time as he was stepping into the pod. As if to say "you made the right choice".

Lastly, after they defeated the first command ship. They should have figured out a way to attach the defunct drones to the hull. Eli could have overrode their commands again and used them against the next command ship. Or they could have harvested all the power cores out of them and come up with a way to integrate them into the Destiny power grid. It could have given them just enough power to ensure that they would make the 3 year journey even if Eli was off by 5% in his calculations.

General Jumper One
May 10th, 2011, 06:28 AM
Plus, it was the SEASON finale, shouldn't it have been longer than a normal episode?

Not for Stargate, season finales are always the same length, "Lost City" being an exception because they planned it to be a series finale.
"Moebius" was part 1 and part 2, so that can't be used as an argument.

jelgate
May 10th, 2011, 06:30 AM
Not for Stargate, season finales are always the same length, "Lost City" being an exception because they planned it to be a series finale.
"Moebius" was part 1 and part 2, so that can't be used as an argument.
Lost City II was the length of a standard episode

ArchaeoNerd
May 10th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Sigh.

I loved that it began with Eli and it ended with Eli. It suddenly hit me, just after Rush and Young went into their pods, that the show was really all about Eli. I had been wondering for awhile who was meant to be the central character. For a long time it was all about Rush vs. Young. But I think it was Eli who really told the story. He was the camera (both literally, with his kinos, and figuratively) through which the saga of the Destiny was recorded for us to enjoy for years to come.

I loved his enigmatic little smile at the end. It was as if he was thinking "It's going to be all right."

I liked that it was not the same kind of ending that SG1 and SGA had, with the principal cast members assembled in some kind of happy wrap-up celebration (although I like that kind of ending too), i.e. the Atlantis crew standing at the balcony rail looking out over the Pacific Ocean or the SG1 team fishing at Jack's cabin (since I have always thought of Moebius II as a better series ending for SG1, no offense to Cam or Vala). There were so many intriguing questions that we didn't see resolved. Will Park ever see again? Will a cure be found for TJ? What lies ahead for the Young/Rush and the Young/Telford and the Rush/Eli relationships? We are left with a feeling that we have come full circle with Eli riding off into the sunset, but with enough dangling ends to feed our craving for something more. It is the end, but it is not the end.

At least I hope not!

Thanks for the ride, Stargate producers, directors, writers, cast and crew!!! And thanks to all the fans, who have supported this wonderful franchise for 17 years! We will go on hoping! The ship is named Destiny, after all!!

ArchaeoNerd

wabbit42
May 10th, 2011, 08:34 AM
What a fantastic ending. I loved how they did the exact reverse for the final scene to what was the initial scene in Air Pt.1. And at least now they have 3 years to get everyone back together to make a new season!

g.o.d
May 10th, 2011, 08:34 AM
best ending the Stargate ever had. Thanks for amazing two seasons of a great quality scifi show

ipfnd
May 10th, 2011, 08:45 AM
It's hard to believe that after Atlantis ended I was googling every bit of information I could get on SGU almost on a daily basis for a year and now the series is done. Like the final episode but have still have a lot of hatred for the writers and SY F'in FY..... :(

derrickh
May 10th, 2011, 08:52 AM
I disliked this episode for a number of reasons. I feel it was a poor series finale and underlined a lot of the same problems that SGU has had from the start.

SGU has been the emo kid in the Stargate franchise since day 1. And just like all emo kids, it was self important and depressing to the point that you just got tired of hearing the whining. This episode was nonstop grief. Bad news after bad news. You would think that maybe, just maybe, the writers would end up with some sort of upbeat message. But instead, it went into every commercial break on a downer.
-Maybe Park will get her sight back...nope. She's blind.
-TJ..still has ALS. And just in case you didnt remember, she goes into mind numbing detail of exactly how she's gonna die. Thanks for that.
-At least Scott will say bye to his kid. Not so fast, the boy is stuck with a mom so bad that the government is about to step in and take him away. See you in 3 years kid.
-Maybe Wray will be able to get..oops, never mind. She broke up with her girlfriend who cried nonstop during her final meeting.
-Young handed off his wife to Telford like he was dropping off the keys to his car.
-Eli...poor Eli. Best case scenario is that your Mom dies before your wake up. But not to worry, odds are you're dead in 2 weeks anyway. Good thing no one even mentioned your computerized girlfriend a single time during the episode.

This show was always heavy handed (sad music montage time!) but this episode was relentless in trying to be a tearjerker. It was so obvious that I was annoyed by the manipulations halfway through the finale.

I'm not going to go over all of the alternative ways they could have gotten out of this situation because to be honest, thats all creative license. But what I will do is point out how selfish the choice was. The drones have essentially shut down gate travel in the entire galaxy. The same galaxy that houses an entire civilization of the Destiny's descendants. Instead of finding a way to disable or defeat them, our heroes have made the decision to run away while their children live in terror, waiting for the day the drones attack. We all know that SG-1 or even SG-A would never accept that.

D

Shylodog
May 10th, 2011, 08:59 AM
-Maybe Park will get her sight back...nope. She's blind.
-TJ..still has ALS. And just in case you didnt remember, she goes into mind numbing detail of exactly how she's gonna die. Thanks for that.
-At least Scott will say bye to his kid. Not so fast, the boy is stuck with a mom so bad that the government is about to step in and take him away. See you in 3 years kid.
-Maybe Wray will be able to get..oops, never mind. She broke up with her girlfriend who cried nonstop during her final meeting.
-Young handed off his wife to Telford like he was dropping off the keys to his car.
-Eli...poor Eli. Best case scenario is that your Mom dies before your wake up. But not to worry, odds are you're dead in 2 weeks anyway. Good thing no one even mentioned your computerized girlfriend a single time during the episode.


The bolded comment actually made me lol. T'was very true.

Callie
May 10th, 2011, 09:03 AM
Transcript update: oh boy. I just started to type the words, "The Stargate kawhooshes," and had to stop and cry for a couple of minutes before I could finish the words, because it was the last time I would ever write it for a new episode.

I'm going to be in buckets of tears by the end ...

Perelandra
May 10th, 2011, 09:15 AM
Sorry Y'all but I lost it about half way through the episode. The tears started coming fast and furious when Young gave his family speech at the last supper and Rush had his last talk with Eli,"Mr Wallace"... and that final shot of the Destiny flying off into the distance.
I watched Blockade and Gauntlet with my 15 year old son, who, when I started sniffling-,said- "Mom, it's just a TV show!"
But the finest Sci-Fi show ever, IMO. I will greatly miss it.:(

ussrelativity
May 10th, 2011, 09:45 AM
Transcript update: oh boy. I just started to type the words, "The Stargate kawhooshes," and had to stop and cry for a couple of minutes before I could finish the words, because it was the last time I would ever write it for a new episode.

I'm going to be in buckets of tears by the end ...

Hopefully someday, you will get to type again.

wabbit42
May 10th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Transcript update: oh boy. I just started to type the words, "The Stargate kawhooshes," and had to stop and cry for a couple of minutes before I could finish the words, because it was the last time I would ever write it for a new episode.

I'm going to be in buckets of tears by the end ...

<3.

Demoniser
May 10th, 2011, 10:25 AM
Sigh.

I loved that it began with Eli and it ended with Eli. It suddenly hit me, just after Rush and Young went into their pods, that the show was really all about Eli. I had been wondering for awhile who was meant to be the central character. For a long time it was all about Rush vs. Young. But I think it was Eli who really told the story. He was the camera (both literally, with his kinos, and figuratively) through which the saga of the Destiny was recorded for us to enjoy for years to come.

I loved his enigmatic little smile at the end. It was as if he was thinking "It's going to be all right."

ArchaeoNerd

I was going to say something similar, but this sums it up perfectly. Eli really was the heart/centre of the show if you can call it that. Tbh i think SGU really has revolved around two main things, Eli's journey going from a hopeless slacker to living up to his potential and becoming a man, and Destinys mission.

kdalton
May 10th, 2011, 10:34 AM
Absolutely magnificent. I am so impressed by the writing and performances in this episode, and the way it touched me to the core. To the cast and crew of the Destiny - Bravo! Bloody Well Done!

Hitokage
May 10th, 2011, 10:56 AM
Ok despite this is end of SGU the ending was just epic...I had creepiness on my back while watching the last three people on Destiny and then when everything shutted down it was just beautiful...really masterpiece...Stargate is and will be the most amazing sci-fi fo all times
I am sad that i is end but it is not so big cliffhanger
who knows maybe we will see after three years...

Kilgharrah
May 10th, 2011, 11:06 AM
My comment after the episode was over was... 'Seriously?????'
What was that????
I was so thrilled after epilogue and this is what I get now???
I got bored during this episode and nothing was emotional like many people say. Only the last part was. The part after everyone was in and Eli was alone.
What ending is that????
They wasted a whole episode to get inside the stasis pods.
As much as I wanna know what happened next, I don't think it would be that good. It's not worth the wait.
That doesn't mean that I don't want more. I want more stargate. If it's SGU, I'll deal with it just like I did the last 2 years. If it's something else, then it's will be much much better. Any type of continuation for SG-1, SGA would be a lot better. And maybe I'll like a new SG show, who knows.
Anyway, it's enough of off-topic stuff. I like how they got closer to Rush and Eli has changed to the best. I pity Parks, but for some reason I'm not that interested in that story or Greer's irritating care for her. I have a feeling that the stasis would heal everyone. I still wanna know more about scott and his son. I want to know even more about TJ, but I think that the stasis might heal her, even if it's not possible or convincing, just like everything else in SGU.
I can't believe they destroyed a shuttle. They're gonna need it again later and these drones WILL be back. Does that mean that they send the second shuttle to get destroyed???
No logic and no considering the future. Just because the series is over, doesn't mean that they shouldn't consider the future.
The whole idea is stupid. First time I disagree with Eli.
That mineral that they got from the planet to fix the stasis pods should take more time to extract and to cut.
Stargate used to make every thing right and it was convincing. It changed in SGU and it was the worst in this episode.
I just wish that they either fix it so that it gets picked up again on any other channel or even make a new one, not to mention the old shows.
These things should have been discussed with O'Neill not Tellford. I wanted to see the old SG-1 in this episode, it would have made this episode interesting other than that meaningless episode with lots of wasted time.
I was only happy because I'm not gonna miss SGU, but the sad thing is that I'm gonna miss the franchise, what Earth will become, updates on SG-1 and SGA. :'(

shereth
May 10th, 2011, 11:20 AM
Longtime lurker here, first time post. Funny, having been a fan of the franchise since before it was a franchise but I haven't spoken a peep until after the franchise's apparent demise ...

Anyway, I don't understand why so many are so enamored of this episode. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say it was a bad episode by any means - the writing was good, the acting was good, and so on - but I certainly don't see it as deserving of the many platitudes I'm seeing here. Magnificent? Perfect? Really?

It's a fine standalone episode, and a good season finale. It left us on a cliffhanger, and it's ok to leave the fans wondering "What happens next" when you intend to tell them next season. But there will be no next season, there will be no conclusion, and thus we will always be left in the lurch. We'll never know if Eli succeeded in repairing the pod or had to make the ultimate sacrifice. We'll never know if the calculations were correct and Destiny drops out where they intended. We'll never know if the crew wakes up and goes along their merry way, or if they'll just remain in stasis until the power shuts off and they all die ...

I understand that the writers have no control over the cancellation and that they planned the story to continue, but I also don't buy the theory that they couldn't have done anything to bring the show to some kind of proper conclusion. This episode very much had the feel of an intended coda : the crew saying their farewells to loved ones, the intentionally emotional scenes, the well-done tie in to "Air". It all makes it feel like they made a conscious effort to make this a series finale and not just a season finale, and that's why I'm disappointed. No, I wasn't expecting everything to come out hunky-dory. But leaving everything incredibly open-ended is a disservice to the fans. Even if we never know whether or not the crew ever makes it home, it'd have been nice to know they have adventures ahead of them rather than potentially languishing in a meat locker for all of eternity.

If I had one beef about the episode in particular, it would be this - isn't it just enormously convenient that, after all of the changes in the crew size (deaths, folks leaving Destiny, taking on former Lucian Alliance), that somehow there would be EXACTLY the right amount of pods for the crew? That just seems enormously silly to me.

Anyway, goodbye, SGU. You went before your time and will be missed.

jsonitsac
May 10th, 2011, 11:31 AM
I enjoyed the sadness of the episode, it wasn't heavy or tragic, just kind of sad. Had this merely been a season finale it would have worked a lot better for me. I guess one of the criticisms I had was that they never seemed to solve any problems and this episode seemed to be in that mold; a new problem or wrinkle was introduced in nearly every scene. How much more can these people have taken?!

Still it ends on a this bittersweet note nothing we can do to change that and the series itself was also very bitter sweet. I happen to savor bitter sweet chocolates.

Elite Anubis Guard
May 10th, 2011, 11:47 AM
What a beautiful episode. Very very lovely. I wont repeat what pretty much everyone has said as the majority mirror my opinions on the episode.

I've grown up with Stargate. I started watching when I was 8. I've been watching until now. I can only hope that this stasis, isn't too long.

Corona
May 10th, 2011, 11:50 AM
I'm glad some of you aren't writing my eulogie.

Some shows are so intricate they require many episodes to set up. Pity the attention span of some people don't allow them to appreciate stories which don't wrap up in 46 minutes.

If you want all action, all the time, play a video game.

Those of us who love the series also have a love hate relationship. Sure we don't like everything but you don't hate your kid for having a bad day.

Stargate was around long enough to be a part of a family.

"And for that, I thank you" - D. Tosh

Mr. Jack
May 10th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Actually teared up for the first time I can remember watching Stargate. The series helped me through some rough patches and it's very sad to see it go! Thank you writers for your optimistic take on humanity! It's more than just entertainment in a way.

sighphi
May 10th, 2011, 12:26 PM
I understand the sentiment they were going for here but the episode built around it failed to reached what they were going for.

The most important bit would be the pods. In a ship where half of the things arent working right or at all these people didnt think to test ALL the pods first BEFORE they started putting people in to see if they had enough room? There should have been reserve seating for VIPs and then the less important folks should have waited. At the end it should have been Eli and his future girlfriend and at that point he should've told his plan and put her into pod. Which would've been all sweet and stuff. And, yes, this alternate method would negate the "Thanksgiving scene" because it would have been filled with soldiers but they could have done a BIGGER scene with most of the cast eating all the food....... and then having a food fight. Which would have been the last scene shot and done for real.

A second less annoying problematic thing was Park coming up with the decoy plan through second hand info, why did no one else who was actually there come up with that? Instead of happening like that she should've pushed her way back on the bridge earlier on because she thinks she could still be of some use but then everyone would be like, "Aaaw, yeah, no." Then Eli comes up with something for her to do and then she comes up with the plan and everyone would be all surprised like, "Her brain still works even though she is blind!!!!" Or something to that effect.

boyd22
May 10th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Amazing episode. Though, i still think Epilogue would have also worked as a series finale.

sparky123456789
May 10th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Watching SGU was great to see such a unique way of continuing the series, not just SG:Alpha site or SG in the ori galaxy but something really Out There.
It was really different. The atmosphere the music everything. You can love it or hate it but I really appreciated this new addition to agreat franchise.

The episode had a great symetry to it with the closing minutes in particular just great.

I also love the stasis pods. In Sci Fi its always our heroes coming upon people in stasis (in stargate and star trek anyway), but now our heroes are those people! As soon as they were mentioned I got to thinking that if it ends with them all inside wouldnt that just be great. As all the characters went in and said their "last goodbyes" it really did feel like we/they were saying goodbye to each other and us...

I thought it was an amazing piece of television. I definetely undoubtably preferred that ending to the series than epilogue.

Not much else to say as regards the episode other than it was a masterpiece and its defintly up there with the best of SG episodes.

As an irish SG fan I havent always had fll access to stargate on tv and have spent all of time watching it online... I love SG1 (as do all my brothers) and it has some great great moments, some hillarious moments and will always be my favourite thing to watch on tv just to tune out. However i would actually prefer to buy SGU as a dvd box set and just watch the whole thing start to finish (which cant realistically be done with SG1 given how much hours it would actually take and that so many of them are "bottle" episodes that its not necessary lol) because its just a great masterpiece of story telling.

The burden of preserving stargate is no longer on the writers or the networks. We have to take responsibility too.
Fans have resurrected Firefly. Fans have written amazing canocial books for star wars (which were then incorparated into the prequel film series'). SGU set up some great ways for fan fic stories (novus)
This is what we must do and prove to the world how great SG is.

The Destiny
May 10th, 2011, 01:14 PM
That doesn't mean that I don't want more. I want more stargate. If it's SGU, I'll deal with it just like I did the last 2 years.

mmh.. if you're going into it with a mindset like that, "I'll deal with it", I don't think you'll be happy regardless of what happens.


I can't believe they destroyed a shuttle. They're gonna need it again later and these drones WILL be back. Does that mean that they send the second shuttle to get destroyed???
No logic and no considering the future. Just because the series is over, doesn't mean that they shouldn't consider the future.
The whole idea is stupid. First time I disagree with Eli.


I'm not sure if you payed attention there, but then again you did say you were bored. ;) The idea is to skip this galaxy and jump to the next one prematurely and bypassing the drones alltogether. They're going to an entirely different galaxy and the drones have only been able to track Destiny by tracking gateactivations and blockading stars so far so it is unlikely they would follow them. It's a damn shame they had to sacrifice a shuttle to draw the commandship away, but it was necessary to prevent Destiny taking damage in a battle and/or using power. They have 2 shuttles after all so while the loss of 1 is a huge loss, they have a back-up.


That mineral that they got from the planet to fix the stasis pods should take more time to extract and to cut.
It was a planet with a lot of meteorite activity where this mineral was available. It didn't seem like they walked to a mountainside and took out clean bits of mineral, rather they grabbed as many rocks as the could find with hopefully enough of the mineral in it. Morrison (the scientist that went with them) said it: "well I can identify the rocks, but we can't test for concentration.. our best bet is to bring back as much as possible."


Stargate used to make every thing right and it was convincing. It changed in SGU and it was the worst in this episode.
I actually think the opposite. Subtle things of realism are always hidden in SGU's episodes. In blockade for example a question was answered that people started asking in the discussion of 'common descent': How come they are still speaking perfect modern day english? They have kino recordings to keep the pronounciation the same but in 'blockade' we saw that Novus English had changed through time in a way similar to how our current English might evolve. Attack might become Atak. Bookkeeping might become Bukkeeping etc. If we were to start nitpicking about the other series as well we might find a lot of unrealistic things, like every human in 2 galaxies speaking modern day English while the Goa'uld took the last humans from earth several hundred years ago when English was completely different. For that matter even the ancients in 'the return' and 'before I sleep' spoke English. Maybe modernday English is the perfect evolution of language towards which all languages will eventually evolve if given enough time?


I was only happy because I'm not gonna miss SGU, but the sad thing is that I'm gonna miss the franchise, what Earth will become, updates on SG-1 and SGA. :'(
You'll be hitting a nerve here, especially in an SGU discusion thread. I wouldn't condemn you for not missing or not liking the show, taste is taste. However saying that you're happy that it's gone? Please be a bit more thoughtful for the people who will miss it.

@ Shereth; welcome to gateworld.
I like to view this episode in a way similar to Unending and Enemy at the Gate. They solved whatever problem they had in the episode ( timebubble, wraith attack, skipping the galaxy ) and "the journey continues on". All of SGU season 2's episodes had been completed long before the cancellation, but they just wanted to make sure that this last episode was reasonably gratifying as a series finale. Imagine if this episode had been a big battle against the drones or something and it ended with all the characters being in mortal danger while the drones were destroying the ship? You know you'll never see the ending of it. Therefore I personally thought this was a perfect ending given the circumstances. The writers had to make a guess wether they would be renewed or not and this finale had to be able to figure as both a season ending as well as a series finale and be fitting either way. They could not go back and change it after cancellation or renewal.

Besides, Unending and Enem at the gate left plenty of unanswered questions despite them being written as series finales and not as two-parters. In unending the Ori are still rampant throughout the galaxy. How do they defeat them? Are the Ascended Ori really dead? In Enemy at the gate Atlantis went back to Earth; will it go back to the Pegasus galaxy? What about the Wraith? And the evil Asgard? Gauntlet actually leaves us with 2 simple questions: Will Eli fix it in time, and will the crew reach the other galaxy safely? Had there been a movie, like SG-1 had to wrap up it's storyline, but like SGA hasn't had either, these questions would have been answered. Thus I prefer to look at Gauntlet as "Destiny will continue on" and I feel very satisfied with it. Given the circumstances I couldn't have asked for a better ending scene than the crew being in statis, Destiny shutting down reminiscent of it's awakening in Air, and Eli looking from ther observation deck... and smiling.



I'm getting all emotional now..

Teddybrown
May 10th, 2011, 01:35 PM
A great ending to a great series, and franchise
Not the cliffhanger I was expecting, wasnt really a cliff hanger at all
I felt it rounded the series off nicely
Some nice character moments, and the end shots were nice
Will mis the franchise as a whle, and hope to see it return soon (but thats unlikely)

Callie
May 10th, 2011, 02:23 PM
If anyone wants first sight of the transcript before Darren gets it up on Gateworld, it's also here (http://arianedevere.livejournal.com/14666.html).

The Elemental
May 10th, 2011, 02:26 PM
after 15 years or what ever it is this is how it ends i got so bored half way through i went and washed the dishes

sparky123456789
May 10th, 2011, 02:43 PM
no it wasnt all guns blazing, high tempo ending with characters in mortal danger...it was an fairly obvious enough solution to a majorly daunting prospect. It wasnt a des ex machina like we're used to in stargate it...for that reason the closing 15 minutesish (bear in mind the action up to then, 2 command ships destroyed!) had to be about fixing the stasis pods and slowly shutting everything down. Added to that is the prospect of a season and ultimtly series ending...how would you have played it??

Giantevilhead
May 10th, 2011, 02:49 PM
I hate how the life support system is always a huge power hog in sci-fi shows. Life support should barely take up any energy at all compared to the other systems.

Even if they did need that tiny little drop of power, they still have the suits and the shuttle. Eli could use those to sustain himself for more time.

MrEvers
May 10th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Was I the only one who noticed that how the Command ships and their drones forced Destiny out of their galaxy and made the crew go into hibernation is a perfect analog as to how the network forced SGU of the air and put the whole franchise into hibernation?

tornadobr
May 10th, 2011, 03:58 PM
Was I the only one who noticed that how the Command ships and their drones forced Destiny out of their galaxy and made the crew go into hibernation is a perfect analog as to how the network forced SGU of the air and put the whole franchise into hibernation?

I agree with you. There is a message in the episode. I'm very sad. I cried while they entered one bye one the stasis pods. I loved this show. Loved Stargate and I will miss it very much :(

marty2006
May 10th, 2011, 04:37 PM
I was a definite critic of the show but season two really come into its own for me. The whole storyline of meeting their descendants was brilliant, best series of episodes that SGU produced imo. Really gutted to know ill never find out what happened to everyone, from the journey of Destiny as a whole and not knowing how the final episode itself played out after Eli put Young into the stasis pod. Definitely sad to see it go.

kmac45
May 10th, 2011, 05:07 PM
Completely agree with you guys. There was an obvious message. Will definitely miss the show and series.

Shadow_7
May 10th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Also annoyed at the exact number of stasis pods. Given the number of residences they were NOT using.

Also thinking that the shuttle and/or hydroponics bay could be used to be the life support for Eli. While watching the final scenes. What they always needed was time to actually explore the data stored on destiny anyway. If the faith aliens had enough info about the shuttle on the shuttle to remanufacturer it to factory specs. You just need access to it (which they have) and time to learn and/or understand it. Plus they have the novan tech notes (1/3rd of it anyway). Which was apparently good enough to hold off the drones for a couple years according to the paper.

Speaking of which did anyone notice if Wray was wearing a new outfit? So many things we'll never know...

kimmyg
May 10th, 2011, 07:55 PM
Also annoyed at the exact number of stasis pods. Given the number of residences they were NOT using.

Given that they only just found these statis pods, whose to say there aren't more located on the ship that hasn't been explored. If I were designing the Destiny, I would make certain I didn't place all my status pods in one central location. Too much chance of damage to area taking out a possible lifeline for intended Ancient crew.

Don't be limited by what you see on the screen; use your imagination. Part of the appeal to SGU was not everything was answered at the end of every episode. Story arc's; mmm, good.

Phenom
May 10th, 2011, 08:30 PM
My comment after the episode was over was... 'Seriously?????'
What was that????
I was so thrilled after epilogue and this is what I get now???
I got bored during this episode and nothing was emotional like many people say. Only the last part was. The part after everyone was in and Eli was alone.
What ending is that????
They wasted a whole episode to get inside the stasis pods.
As much as I wanna know what happened next, I don't think it would be that good. It's not worth the wait.
That doesn't mean that I don't want more. I want more stargate. If it's SGU, I'll deal with it just like I did the last 2 years. If it's something else, then it's will be much much better. Any type of continuation for SG-1, SGA would be a lot better. And maybe I'll like a new SG show, who knows.
Anyway, it's enough of off-topic stuff. I like how they got closer to Rush and Eli has changed to the best. I pity Parks, but for some reason I'm not that interested in that story or Greer's irritating care for her. I have a feeling that the stasis would heal everyone. I still wanna know more about scott and his son. I want to know even more about TJ, but I think that the stasis might heal her, even if it's not possible or convincing, just like everything else in SGU.
I can't believe they destroyed a shuttle. They're gonna need it again later and these drones WILL be back. Does that mean that they send the second shuttle to get destroyed???
No logic and no considering the future. Just because the series is over, doesn't mean that they shouldn't consider the future.
The whole idea is stupid. First time I disagree with Eli.
That mineral that they got from the planet to fix the stasis pods should take more time to extract and to cut.
Stargate used to make every thing right and it was convincing. It changed in SGU and it was the worst in this episode.
I just wish that they either fix it so that it gets picked up again on any other channel or even make a new one, not to mention the old shows.
These things should have been discussed with O'Neill not Tellford. I wanted to see the old SG-1 in this episode, it would have made this episode interesting other than that meaningless episode with lots of wasted time.
I was only happy because I'm not gonna miss SGU, but the sad thing is that I'm gonna miss the franchise, what Earth will become, updates on SG-1 and SGA. :'(

I completely agree. Although I probably liked SGU a little more than you by the sounds of it, essentially a whole finale consisted of them getting in the statis pods and deciding who would take the last one. I have said earlier that if it did come back for Season 3, this finale would do nothing to boost the numbers for next season. It was back to the worst of most of Season 1 for mine, and the only sad part was the fact that it was the end of Stargate, not so much the end of SGU itself.

senilegreen
May 11th, 2011, 12:05 AM
... essentially a whole finale consisted of them getting in the statis pods and deciding who would take the last one.

Yeah, and Romeo and Juliet is just a teenage romance.

Each episode is just 42 minutes, which means they have less than 42 minutes to try and tell a story, or progress an existing story. That they crammed in as much as they did and still made the episode feel like an exit (which it does) impresses me.

Jumper_One
May 11th, 2011, 01:31 AM
As promised, I will be fielding your questions on Gauntlet, the SGU series finale, as well as any SGU-related queries you may have. So, start posting.

Later this week, in addition to providing answers to those questions, I’ll also shed some light on the script for Gauntlet, what we had in store for the show’s third season, and what the heck the SGA movie, Stargate: Extinction, was all about.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/may-10-2011-thanks-for-the-thanks-transporter-the-series-my-comic-book-series/

Lahela
May 11th, 2011, 02:55 AM
Also annoyed at the exact number of stasis pods. Given the number of residences they were NOT using.


Except that that did not happen. They never said they were precisely eight short. They said (thanks Callie for the transcrtipt):


VOLKER: Well, as you know, we’ve been powering up all the stasis pod corridors and it’s been ... it’s been going pretty well up until now. But, uh ...
YOUNG: Well, what is it?
VOLKER: It’s the last section. It must have taken some damage, possibly even before we came on board the ship. We can’t bring those pods online, so we’re not gonna have enough for everyone.
BRODY: The damaged pods put us eight short of the total we need.

Later, Eli says...
WALLACE: We repaired the eight pods, but one of them was more damaged than we thought. It came online with the rest of them, but when we ran final checks, it just ... died. We might be one short.

They didn't say how many were damaged, just that some of them were damaged and they were, therefore, eight short.

Egle01
May 11th, 2011, 03:44 AM
All things considered, it was a near perfect end. Thank you, Stargate Universe, for this great ride. You'll be greatly missed.

starg4te
May 11th, 2011, 04:27 AM
Tears in my eyes :') Great (temporary, hopefully) finale to SGU and the Stargate Franchise as a whole. 1997-2011 :)

Pecisk
May 11th, 2011, 04:41 AM
I completely agree. Although I probably liked SGU a little more than you by the sounds of it, essentially a whole finale consisted of them getting in the statis pods and deciding who would take the last one. I have said earlier that if it did come back for Season 3, this finale would do nothing to boost the numbers for next season. It was back to the worst of most of Season 1 for mine, and the only sad part was the fact that it was the end of Stargate, not so much the end of SGU itself.

Errr, with simple "I didn't like it" would be enough, please, avoid wide assumptions (like "it would do nothing to boost the numbers...") when being subjective. Thank you :)

kdalton
May 11th, 2011, 06:29 AM
Am I the only one who thinks Eli just committed suicide to save all the others? I mean, they talked about having some power for a couple of weeks. But then, the entire ship powered down, presumably by Eli.

He was there in the observation lounge with just the battery-lamps on. I think whatever happens Eli just punched his ticket. He's not repairing the pod; it's like he knew there was no way to fix it.

rushy
May 11th, 2011, 07:12 AM
I cannot believe it!!! THIS WAS THE LAST STARGATE EPISODE AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE WORMHOLE!!! THE SERIES WAS MEANT TO BE ABOUT THE GATE!!! AND IT WASN'T PROPERLY EVEN SHOWN TO US!!! Or maybe even the name of the franchise was a cover story for a bigger picture...

rushy
May 11th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Tears in my eyes :') Great (temporary, hopefully) finale to SGU and the Stargate Franchise as a whole. 1997-2011 :)

1994-2011. Don't forget the original movie that started everything. Although I'm pretty sure that there are fans out there who wish that Emmerich and Devlin would have continued the franchise themselves, thus creating a completely different storyline. A storyline in which no Stargate series would exist. I am not one of them. SGU was awesome. Oh, and Gauntlet wasn't a waste of time. Yes, it had little storyline, but it was to visit the past. We saw the Stargate in action for the last time. We saw Scott, Greer and Morrison going into a hostile and dangerous planet not knowing if they get what they need or would they make it back like an SG-1 team. We saw Earth a lot because it was where the franchise originated. We saw everything about the meaning of the storyline. We saw Young and Rush giving up their rivalry. We even saw humor(the slightly crazy old uncle Rush). We saw Rush ending his strain with fellow crewmates. Gauntlet was a nice ep although many consider the franchise like Muad'Dib now.

Egle01
May 11th, 2011, 07:40 AM
I cannot believe it!!! THIS WAS THE LAST STARGATE EPISODE AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE WORMHOLE!!! THE SERIES WAS MEANT TO BE ABOUT THE GATE!!! AND IT WASN'T PROPERLY EVEN SHOWN TO US!!! Or maybe even the name of the franchise was a cover story for a bigger picture...There were beautiful shots of the gate dialing, and I'm glad they didn't show the wormhole effect.

The Destiny
May 11th, 2011, 07:54 AM
I completely agree. Although I probably liked SGU a little more than you by the sounds of it, essentially a whole finale consisted of them getting in the statis pods and deciding who would take the last one.

Actually that was only the last 5-10 minutes. Up to minute 28 they were blowing up commandships.

LtColCarter
May 11th, 2011, 08:41 AM
I thought it was an ok episode, but not good as a series finale...

Lewis22123
May 11th, 2011, 09:46 AM
that ending fit soooooo perfectly to close it off, or even pick it up some time a lot later, but even soo, RIP STARGATE!

Replicator Todd
May 11th, 2011, 12:13 PM
There were beautiful shots of the gate dialing, and I'm glad they didn't show the wormhole effect.

Indeed. I was just glad(and sad) to see the Stargate. I felt really sad seeing the lights go off in the Gateroom.

Sp!der
May 11th, 2011, 12:52 PM
Indeed. I was just glad(and sad) to see the Stargate. I felt really sad seeing the lights go off in the Gateroom.

but quite fitting, it ended exactly how it all began..more or less... in season 1 Air: The light goes on... In Gauntlet.. the light goes out... nice circle thing...

kudra
May 11th, 2011, 02:01 PM
but quite fitting, it ended exactly how it all began..more or less... in season 1 Air: The light goes on... In Gauntlet.. the light goes out... nice circle thing...

Yes I really liked the mirroring of Air with the lights going off / coming on , the team dinner (one with Rush excluded and one with him included). I'm tempted to do a proper re-watch and see if there are more.

On a side note do the people who complain about not seeing the gate used or wormholes in every episode really mean it or is that some kind of insider joke? Because seriously how many times could anyone want to see the same special effect? The gate is just a magic door / plot device after all so persoanlly I'm glad they didn't waste too much screen time watching the thing dial up and go whoosh.

The Destiny
May 11th, 2011, 03:05 PM
And regardless, they did use the gate to go to that meteorite planet :)

Infinite-Possibilities
May 11th, 2011, 03:57 PM
I think this is actually one of the best episodes they've ever done. Strangely it might even be the most effective series finales of the 3 shows, despite somehow being also the least effective finale of the 3 shows. It wrapped up much more than I expected it to and while not that great of a conclusion to the overall story they were dragging out, wasn't that bad of a way to ride off into the sunset (void?) for the Stargate Franchise.

Blackhole
May 11th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Post #50. My timing is officially amazing. :P

Also, I find it amazing that there are 146 members currently browsing this thread...

Anyway, my short response (perhaps I'll do a longer one later):

I was one of those "middle-of-the-road" people throughout season one and the first three or four episodes of S2. Some episodes I loved, some I absolutely despised. When news of the cancellation broke, I was a bit disappointed, but not especially surprised.

Then came the final stretch. Starting from the mid season finale, suddenly SGU was good. And I mean, really, really good. Had me practically glued to the screen when it aired every night. Even made Mondays something to look forward to. :D

And now it's gone. Over, point of fact. Seems... impossible, doesn't it? But, if it had to go out on a cliffie, I'm glad it was this one. True, we had all of zero threads wrapped up, but this wasn't supposed to be a finale. That last shot of Destiny felt fitting.

Gauntlet, in a word, was amazing.

I only wish there were the hope of it coming back. :(

I agree with you completely that the second half of the second season was much better. It was far closer to what the majority of Stargate fans have come to expect.

The show's creators made a catastrophic mistake. They took way too long to run through the "whole wrong people in the wrong place" story arc. It should have been completed midway through the first season and not well into the second. The dark and depressing gloomy atmosphere of the entire first season drove off most of the established fans and many new viewers.

Too bad...

r81984
May 11th, 2011, 05:08 PM
that ending fit soooooo perfectly to close it off, or even pick it up some time a lot later, but even soo, RIP STARGATE!

Not at all.
It was great season cliff hanger. It was a horrible series finale.
They should of had closure instead of teasing everyone like the series will continue.
SeeFee completely mismanaged stargate and killed it off.
It is just sad there is nothing left for scific lovers except reruns.

the fifth man
May 11th, 2011, 08:47 PM
Even though this was the final episode, I enjoyed it thoroughly from start to finish. While I would have liked this to just be a season finale, I actually think it is a lot better end than I thought we would get.

AndSoItBegins
May 12th, 2011, 12:56 AM
I agree with you completely that the second half of the second season was much better. It was far closer to what the majority of Stargate fans have come to expect.

The show's creators made a catastrophic mistake. They took way too long to run through the "whole wrong people in the wrong place" story arc. It should have been completed midway through the first season and not well into the second. The dark and depressing gloomy atmosphere of the entire first season drove off most of the established fans and many new viewers.

Too bad...

Too bad only that the Whiny Brigade was too stubborn to appreciate something that dared to be a bit different instead of repeating what had already been done for fourteen years.

TPTB of SGU has no reason to hang its head.

They gave me a good first season. Not great, probably not very good. But good. Certainly better than the first season of classics like TNG, DS9 and B5.

They provided a first half of the second season that was indeed very good. No, SGU's second season didn't become worthy only during its second half. It was delivering fantastic episodes and terrific human drama from the very beginning of its sophomore run.

They also provided a stellar second half of season two that no other Stargate series can touch. And that makes the second season of SGU as strong as any as the Stargate franchise has ever put out. And, please, don't use ratings as a measuring stick because that would suggest all shows, movies, books, songs that were popular were also all of high quality while all of those that didn't find large success were inferior works of art. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence out there that would suggest otherwise.

Thank God TPTB allowed these characters to EARN their trust and respect one another. Because the payoff in these final episodes would not have been nearly as strong if they all were so chummy from the start like the crews of SG1 and SGA. Some of us love human conflict and how some disagreements and weariness are never completely overcome. There is nothing wrong with that. And if going that route was a "catastrophic mistake" financially for TPTB (in terms of keeping an audience) it was a winner artistically. And I respect the latter more than the former. As a fan of SGU if I had to choose between the show going five years by taking the SG1/SGA approach or the show going out in two years by doing exactly what they did, then I'd pick the two year scenario. At least I'll get a show that isn't afraid to touch adult themes rather than provide only cartoon escapism. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Jim of WVa
May 12th, 2011, 01:51 AM
Was this a mistake?

http://cms.scifi-nexus.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ftf.jpg

Corona
May 12th, 2011, 02:04 AM
In a way, we do know what happens to everybody. We saw the Kino movies and know how they lived and died. That makes the stasis ending a little less final.

Eli has a good life and he knows that only a part of him will die on Destiny, (or not). There has to be a peace that goes with that.

The Enterprise never did finish their five year mission either. Dumb decisions never die.

traylormatt
May 12th, 2011, 02:07 AM
I thought it was fantastic. I felt the exact same as when I saw the Lost finale, I absolutely hated it and thought it sucked when I first saw it but then I thought about it for a while, re watched it and loved it. It is how I imagined it ending when I first heard about the series cancellation and saw spoilers about the stasis pods, though I imagined it being more like 1000 years they would be in the stasis pods, not just 3. though 3 years is a long time of course.

My only qualm with it was how "lucky" it was they had the perfect amount of crew to fit in the stasis pods, bar one. Had a few of the Novus people wanted to stay or some people hadn't died along the way, they would have been screwed (well the writers would have just given x amount more pods, leaving one again) but hey, I guess it makes for gripping television, and I did enjoy it as that was my one little niggle about it all.

In the 3rd season, it would be so cool to see what Eli would get up to, fixing pods, walking around the ship, drawing a mural of himself on Rush's "chalk" board for when they all wake up.

The second season was fantastic, the second half of the second season was some of the best television and Sci-fi I have ever seen. It was a lovely ending.

I know a lot of people will keep saying "that wasn't a series finale, it was a cliffhanger"
Well obviously, that is because it wasn't written to be the true ending. What it seems a lot of people ignore is that there can never really, truly be a cliff hanger for Stargate unless everything basically is destroyed. SG1 would need to have something drastic happen to the stargate program of EVERY ONE of the main characters would have to retire, anything else would only fulfill YOUR idea of a good ending. Atlantis would need something similar, everyone leaving at one time or Atlantis actually gets destroyed because answers could be made regarding where it is, what it is doing, but there will always be more missions and more to do.

SGU I doubt could ever have reached it's true ending of finding the signal unless they were all willing to go into stasis for millions of years, unless they happened to gate to the ship within 10 years of it reaching its destiny, which is unlikely, so I see this is how it could have ended in a few years time but only knowing they were going into permanent stasis until they reach their destiny. The only other option for SGU, in my mind, obviously others will have what they would have preferred, was the ending of the Novus people. To see them grow old and populate the galaxy. That obviously made a lovely joint ending with this one.

dvdrts
May 12th, 2011, 03:48 AM
Was this a mistake?

http://cms.scifi-nexus.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ftf.jpg

what do you mean exactly?

Tonton Beber
May 12th, 2011, 05:39 AM
Well, didn't see the vertical writing on the right ?
It's clearly written "***** the French"

If it's an internal joke, then it's a very bad one.
It is completely nonsense and useless, Rush even did not have anything to do with France in its character background.

As a french speaking people, I feel insulted.

This will even probably be the last thing I will remember from my previously beloved Stargate. And this makes me feel very happy of the cancellation. So exit TPTB and welcome to a brand new team for a future reset.

flappo
May 12th, 2011, 07:19 AM
You have to look closely at the right edge. Something very impolite for French people...

Shylodog
May 12th, 2011, 07:51 AM
Wow. Just skimmed to that point and saw it is indeed in the show. Very inappropriate, whoever the set designers were. Personal political views by the [set]crew have no place making it on-air, though I'm suprised anyone caught it. At least they edited it by removing the "U". Now I'm wondering who wrote it.

Beka
May 12th, 2011, 07:57 AM
The picture is on the MGM site, too.

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/2846/index.html

Here is a big version of it:

http://stargate.mgm.com/assets//Still/1303325749/13734/FullSize-sgu0220-0014xx.jpg

Shylodog
May 12th, 2011, 08:02 AM
It would have been funnier if it had said "The Cake is a Lie...." or something like that.

LtColCarter
May 12th, 2011, 08:11 AM
Was this a mistake?

http://cms.scifi-nexus.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ftf.jpg

Oh wow...didn't see that before...

And hello from a fellow West Virginian! ;)

rushy
May 12th, 2011, 10:16 AM
I agree with you completely that the second half of the second season was much better. It was far closer to what the majority of Stargate fans have come to expect.

The show's creators made a catastrophic mistake. They took way too long to run through the "whole wrong people in the wrong place" story arc. It should have been completed midway through the first season and not well into the second. The dark and depressing gloomy atmosphere of the entire first season drove off most of the established fans and many new viewers.

Too bad...

Well, it depends on the point of view. I think that the gloomy atmosphere was only there for the first 10 episodes cos they were basically all bottle shows that made it a bit boring. No aliens in those episodes, just the Rush vs Young/survival arc. For me, Air started this awesome show, while Space really brought it alive like those artificially created Kull Warriors. Body is created first, then mind. SGU had a lot of potential to be the best series ever(which it almost was). Too bad the writers decided to end doing the Wormhole effect since Air. Too bad that Destiny was so dark(sth. I enjoyed, especially when they went to Earth as a change. The light blinded me). I did enjoy the changing shuttles. Air-Faith we have Normal Shuttle and Broken Shuttle. Faith-Aftermath we have Normal Shuttle. Aftermath-Visitation we have no Shuttle. Visitation-Twin Destinies we have the repaired Broken Shuttle. Twin Destines-Gauntlet we have Faith Shuttle and an alternate future Faith Shuttle. Gauntlet- we have Faith Shuttle. Those changes were funny.

Baltic
May 12th, 2011, 11:38 AM
The series was great. And the ending solution was also great. It may possible they someday continue the whole franchise.

But you may look this thread: http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/80645-New-Franchise-Stargate-Chronicles

Flibby
May 12th, 2011, 11:45 AM
It would have been funnier if it had said "The Cake is a Lie...." or something like that.
"The cake is a lie" is just about as funny and 10 times more annoying. Actually, it's a lot less funny, because at least this whole French thing is amusing, seeing all these people losing their heads over it.

Homo_Lvsitanvs
May 12th, 2011, 03:25 PM
Perfect. Just the absolutely perfect ending to this series, and to the Stargate franchise. All through the final scene I was convinced that a command ship would suddenly appear, leaving the series on a cliffhanger, and as we saw Destiny starting to fly away from the camera I was wailing at the screen, “End it! End it now!” And when they ended it now, I wailed in total relief, and in anguish that it was over, and cried solidly for an hour afterwards before I could even start typing. Perfect ending. Just perfect.

And now - apart from stopping to add this comment - I'm typing like a lunatic to get this transcript done ... even though I never want it to end! Eight years of typing Stargate transcripts - what am I going to do with my life in future?!

My first post. And a dedication:

Having English as a second language, I often refer to GW transcripts for a better understanding of some of the passages I found most difficult (especially when McKay's talking <open quotes> very very fast <close quotes - and winking to 'Seizure' an SGA in general>.

In your transcripts I've found not only the most accurate interpretation of the spoken dialogue, but also from the 'unspoken' one: the gestures, the facial expressions, the little moments that often go by unnoticed but add sooo much to the development not only of the story but also of the characters and their dynamics, and a personal touch/remark that goes beyond the transcription (and sometimes correction of a scriptwriter's or actors honest mistake (again in 'Seizure' - "SG-1 teams 4 and 5...." Oops....), that make me personally enjoy reading them almost as much as seeing an episode.

I've also been working on a private project of my own: the translation and resync of the SGA series (and possibly down the road SGU) to my native language (Portuguese). And from experience, I do understand the effort that must be put in order to understand and transport to text each episode's sentiment.

I haven't read 'Gauntlet' yet (I will tonight) but when I saw that the transcript was up I almost guessed that you wouldn't end it without some kind of personal sign-off. Yup.

I don't know your contribution to GW was a professional arrangement, or just (just? 159 transcripts? really?) a labor of love, but I feel an homage is owed to you, miss Callie Sullivan.

So, since probably tonight is the last time I'll start reading the phrase 'Transcript by Callie Sullivan' followed by a very enlightening half-hour of episodic flashbacking follwing your guidelines, I wanted my first post to essentially say one word:

Thank you. For all.


Okay, four words then :). They're worth every letter (pun intended).



PS: Did you really cry? I'll admit, it was moving and felt 'full-circle' like (better even than 'Unending', which I view also as an 'open ending', and much better than 'EATG'), but I wouldn't shed a tear about the end of Stargate.... ok, maybe one.... with a smile on my lips..... in a few years time.... upon a rewatch. Yeah.....

garhkal
May 12th, 2011, 07:59 PM
That was absolutly beautiful great way to end it all

I am actually ranking it higher than Unending for a series ender..


Nice ambiguous ending there. Leaves you asking questions but there's still hope.

That it does. And the way they ended it, with a '3 year; ticker', gives me some hope it MIGHT return in 3 years real time.


Eli gets in the pod, Ginn shunts him into AI world and he never leaves.

Since she and Perry are in Quarantine

i doubt that.


The ending of the episode greatly improved my opinion of the whole episode overall. Very glad we got to see the Stargate used in the last episode, not that I wasn't expecting it but...well...nevermind. The ending of the episode reminds me very much of how SGU began.

That it did.. The artistry of it was very poetic in how they mirrored in reverse Air. As to the stargate, the only site we saw of it was when it turned off...


So...it did bother Rush that Eli was smarter than him.


I know people i work with who are smarter than me, but their application of that smarts still makes me better at the job. I think THAT is what grated rush. To see all those talents go to waste.



I will miss Stargate. There is no other franchise like it. I feel like there will be a hole left in my viewing pleasures. .

Science fiction wise yes.. Though look at how well Law and order did.. 20 straight years, 3 spin offs..




I only wish there were the hope of it coming back. :(

Some may say wishful thinking, but i will keep hope alive in my heart it will return.


Well, unless they show how Eli solves the whole... death thing for an episode, or spend an episode focusing on Sharon and Eli's mom and Scott's kid and *gag* Telford, I'd say they'd have started the next episode with everyone waking up.

Why do you think death..
We had an ep all about Mccay on his own (well with his head carter) when his jumper sank. I would not mind a full ep devoted to him solving the issue, then his going to sleep... then the next ep fasts forward 3 years..


you know we saved their asses twice. 1st time was from the attack by anubis in Homecoming and the second when they decided to test that dang naquadria bomb on one of the rival countries and it almost caused a chain reaction. yeah we may owe them due to the fact that we tried to dial destiny but in reality, Jonas quinn should've been the one to conduct the negotiations on the langaran side.

While all true, i for one, if in the Langaran's position would have done the same.


It was a good show. I didn’t care for the way Col. Young hung his head down and folded his arms in the stasis pod. It reminded me of a funeral pose suggesting a finality I’m not ready to accept

True it did look reminicint of funeral poses.. BUT you have to remember he was exhausted.. So it stands to reason his head would droop.


Destiny looks big enough that there could be additional stasis pods elsewhere onboard maybe in an unexplored section of the ship for Eli to discover. The unanswered questions IMO leaves a positive feeling of hope. I’ve grown to like many of the characters and will miss the.

True there could be. But with everything powered off and that also includes the doors, how would he find any?


Not a bad episode at all.

I do hate the nagging question of whether he made it into the pod or not....but....such is life I guess. Although, that little smile on Eli's face at the end....was it a smile that said "I just figured it out" or something else?....Hrm....

R.I.P. Stargate

We can only speculate.. Personally i feel it may have been him going..
"Man i am all alone. Time for some fun!"


Perfect. Just the absolutely perfect ending to this series, and to the Stargate franchise. All through the final scene I was convinced that a command ship would suddenly appear, leaving the series on a cliffhanger, and as we saw Destiny starting to fly away from the camera I was wailing at the screen, “End it! End it now!” And when they ended it now, I wailed in total relief, and in anguish that it was over, and cried solidly for an hour afterwards before I could even start typing. Perfect ending. Just perfect.

Part of me was actually fearing that too, that a command ship would pop up, just as it went into FTL.... then linger there before it to disappeared.



Anyways, I liked the dynamic between Chloe and Rush. She's brilliant and he knows it, Rush seems to be seeing the fact that he is starting to become the "third wheel".

It does seem he has stepped back from being "The man they all hate but need", to being "just another person who helps"..


Chloe grew a LOT this season. She can now calculate the FTL jumps to within 500' of where they want to be. Thats crazy super-math skills there. She's come a long way in 2 seasons from being the useless silverspooned daughter with no talents whatsoever.

That she has.. though it would have been nicer if she had told everyone they would have come out right ontop of the command ship..



Eli was finally starting to show a backbone to Rush, speaking his mind to Young, and being the leader he is meant to be.

I;m not sure he was meant to be a leader. BUT it was lovely seeing him stand up for himself, an rush actually acknowledging that eli was good..


I was kind of hoping we would see Franklin and Rush's wife one last time as he was stepping into the pod. As if to say "you made the right choice".

That would have been sweet. OR better yet, when eli was standing in the observation deck, we see a glimpse in the backround of Franklin, Ginn, Perry and Gloria...



Sigh.

I loved that it began with Eli and it ended with Eli. It suddenly hit me, just after Rush and Young went into their pods, that the show was really all about Eli. I had been wondering for awhile who was meant to be the central character. For a long time it was all about Rush vs. Young. But I think it was Eli who really told the story. He was the camera (both literally, with his kinos, and figuratively) through which the saga of the Destiny was recorded for us to enjoy for years to come.
I was going to say something similar, but this sums it up perfectly. Eli really was the heart/centre of the show if you can call it that. Tbh i think SGU really has revolved around two main things, Eli's journey going from a hopeless slacker to living up to his potential and becoming a man, and Destinys mission.

I am giving green to both of you...



A second less annoying problematic thing was Park coming up with the decoy plan through second hand info, why did no one else who was actually there come up with that? Instead of happening like that she should've pushed her way back on the bridge earlier on because she thinks she could still be of some use but then everyone would be like, "Aaaw, yeah, no." Then Eli comes up with something for her to do and then she comes up with the plan and everyone would be all surprised like, "Her brain still works even though she is blind!!!!" Or something to that effect.

To me it was CAUSE she was "left out" of the loop that she had so much free time to think it through without any other worries..

As this is long i will like always continue it next post..

garhkal
May 12th, 2011, 08:08 PM
I hate how the life support system is always a huge power hog in sci-fi shows. Life support should barely take up any energy at all compared to the other systems.


You sure of that?? Life support gives:
Heat/air conditioning
Gravity
air
and is also most likely what scrubbs the water.



Speaking of which did anyone notice if Wray was wearing a new outfit? So many things we'll never know...

Not that i noticed.. Though it would have made for a great hark back to Blockade.


Am I the only one who thinks Eli just committed suicide to save all the others? I mean, they talked about having some power for a couple of weeks. But then, the entire ship powered down, presumably by Eli.

He was there in the observation lounge with just the battery-lamps on. I think whatever happens Eli just punched his ticket. He's not repairing the pod; it's like he knew there was no way to fix it.

That is a saddening possibility. BUT why would he have done so? Just so he didn't waste the energy?


There were beautiful shots of the gate dialing, and I'm glad they didn't show the wormhole effect.

And regardless, they did use the gate to go to that meteorite planet :)


True, they did gate out once..

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 13th, 2011, 04:13 AM
hey here's a question, say eli gets that pod fixed and he goes in it and stuff, and the three years are up how are they going to get out of the pods? did they program destiny to awake them?

MattSilver 3k
May 13th, 2011, 04:17 AM
hey here's a question, say eli gets that pod fixed and he goes in it and stuff, and the three years are up how are they going to get out of the pods? did they program destiny to awake them?

I'd imagine so. Otherwise, eggs on a whole lot of faces.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 13th, 2011, 04:30 AM
I'd imagine so. Otherwise, eggs on a whole lot of faces.

i also would like imagine earth finally got to dial destiny within that 3 year timeline. alot of what if's questions now.

starg4te
May 13th, 2011, 04:44 AM
Am I the only one dissapointed they didn't show O'Neill one laast time?

jelgate
May 13th, 2011, 05:29 AM
Am I the only one dissapointed they didn't show O'Neill one laast time?

It seems like a waste of budget to stunt cast RDA

LtColCarter
May 13th, 2011, 07:33 AM
Am I the only one dissapointed they didn't show O'Neill one laast time?

A little...but not overly disappointed.

JoseP927
May 13th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Oh wow...didn't see that before...

Yes. I must get me a hi-def television someday.

Blackhole
May 13th, 2011, 03:12 PM
Too bad only that the Whiny Brigade was too stubborn to appreciate something that dared to be a bit different instead of repeating what had already been done for fourteen years.

TPTB of SGU has no reason to hang its head.

They gave me a good first season. Not great, probably not very good. But good. Certainly better than the first season of classics like TNG, DS9 and B5.

They provided a first half of the second season that was indeed very good. No, SGU's second season didn't become worthy only during its second half. It was delivering fantastic episodes and terrific human drama from the very beginning of its sophomore run.

They also provided a stellar second half of season two that no other Stargate series can touch. And that makes the second season of SGU as strong as any as the Stargate franchise has ever put out. And, please, don't use ratings as a measuring stick because that would suggest all shows, movies, books, songs that were popular were also all of high quality while all of those that didn't find large success were inferior works of art. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence out there that would suggest otherwise.

Thank God TPTB allowed these characters to EARN their trust and respect one another. Because the payoff in these final episodes would not have been nearly as strong if they all were so chummy from the start like the crews of SG1 and SGA. Some of us love human conflict and how some disagreements and weariness are never completely overcome. There is nothing wrong with that. And if going that route was a "catastrophic mistake" financially for TPTB (in terms of keeping an audience) it was a winner artistically. And I respect the latter more than the former. As a fan of SGU if I had to choose between the show going five years by taking the SG1/SGA approach or the show going out in two years by doing exactly what they did, then I'd pick the two year scenario. At least I'll get a show that isn't afraid to touch adult themes rather than provide only cartoon escapism. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the merits and "artistic value" of the show, but viewers like yourself who share your blind reverence for the failed series are a minority. I don't agree that dissatisfied fans like myself were at all whinny or stubborn. After a fair trial most still didn't enjoy the show and chose to vote with their collective feet. Others like myself, despite their dissatisfaction still stuck it out to the bitter end.

I don't think it is fair to blame fandom or Syfy for the show's demise. Responsibility imo rests squarely on the shoulders of SGU's creators. The show's dark and gloomy atmosphere and depressing and maudlin (at times) "wrong person in the wrong place" storylines managed in a season and a half to drive off most new viewers and a large established 13 year fan base. An article I read indicated that all the Stargate movies are now on hold. I loved both Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis and am furious that the franchise may never recover from SGU. Hopefully, Stargate's creators will be given another chance and a movie or even better another series will be produced. We will have to wait and see.

JoseP927
May 13th, 2011, 03:17 PM
riginally Posted by LeonK
Not a bad episode at all.

I do hate the nagging question of whether he made it into the pod or not....but....such is life I guess. Although, that little smile on Eli's face at the end....was it a smile that said "I just figured it out" or something else?....Hrm....

R.I.P. Stargate
I think its safe to assume he survives, if not by fixing the pod, then by some other clever means. He's been faced with a lot more serious challenges before; this would be a piece of cake.

JoseP927
May 13th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Well they closed my other thread
http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/81323-Why-Does-THIS-Thread-Have-A-Warning-quot-No-Spoilers-Beyond-It-quot
but although I know the thread titles probably come from a template, just seeing that gave me a momentary sense of hope that there may be more to come.

morrismike
May 13th, 2011, 03:46 PM
It seems like a waste of budget to stunt cast RDA

TPTW have been trying their best the last 5 years to make Jack look like an idiot, what would the point of having him on the last episode.

garhkal
May 13th, 2011, 07:06 PM
i also would like imagine earth finally got to dial destiny within that 3 year timeline. alot of what if's questions now.

That would be sweet. The crew waiking up cause OF earth dialing in. BUT i wonder if all the systems coming back on cause of it, how much of a "drop" in power it would have caused to make the ship fall short.?

g.o.d
May 14th, 2011, 02:48 AM
Am I the only one dissapointed they didn't show O'Neill one laast time?

that would be waste of money

AndSoItBegins
May 14th, 2011, 09:17 AM
that would be waste of money

Agreed.

AndSoItBegins
May 14th, 2011, 10:15 AM
Wow.

Just wow.

That sure was emotional. It hit me harder than I expected.

This analogy may come across as insulting (that’s not my intent), but when I learned that SGU was cancelled it was like getting the bad news that a new and close friend was dying. I had months to prepare for it and thought I had steeled myself for the eventual passing. That passing away took place at about midnight on Monday (or Tuesday morning if you like) since I waited for the second broadcast on SyFy. As impacted as I was by it wasn’t until the following days that it really, really hit me. Basically it took the funeral for me to truly come to terms with my emotions.

These last few days I have been thinking a lot about SGU. Especially about the characters. I can’t get them out of my head. I won’t allow myself to cry but I can’t contain my melancholy. I most likely won’t be seeing these characters ever again. Monday the crew said not only goodbye to each other but to us, the audience. And what a perfect way for them to go about it with the stasis tubes. Simply brilliant. If it had ended at the table with all of them hearing a final toast then it would not have been as effective. But to see them all enter into a kind of sleeping chamber that would put them on “ice” for about three years was profoundly powerful and sad. I shouldn’t say “all” because one person made what could be the ultimate sacrifice. Eli’s decision at the end was a major highlight and allowed me to appreciate the character more than I ever have before. Now I can’t help but think of all the possibilities for these individuals. It is easy to say that they will survive, to want them all to survive. Heck, why not? It is our imagination. However it is just as easy to imagine that not everything will turn out alright which would be keeping with tradition for this show.

I know some are not happy that certain characters were not still around for the final toast but I think dividing up the sequences and times in which the crew went into stasis was the smart decision. It help distribute the wealth a bit throughout the last half of the show and gave individual characters their moment in the spotlight. First we got Varro. In the second part we saw James head off to sleep (a curious choice considering her role as a reliable officer for Young) and Barnes as well. Obviously TPTB were not thinking from the view point of the reality those characters inhabited but instead about which actors/actresses were considered to be the main leads rather than supporting players. But that’s okay. That allowed the Three Musketeers of Brody, Park and Volker to get their own moment in the sun when they went next. How much we have come to love those characters. There may not have been a goodbye that got me choked up as much as the quick handshake between Volker and Brody who are now basically brothers. A nice touch was Greer leading Park tenderly to her tube and taking her shades before stepping back. He looks sad as he stares at her and she is looking in his direction as if desperate to see him one last time but of course she can’t. Right behind Greer, staring directly at Park, is Volker already in his tube. How fitting, as others have pointed out, that even with his being directly across from Park she won’t be able to see him, just as she wasn’t able to “see” his feelings for her these last past months.

Then, for the fourth round, we see Scott and Chloe kiss goodbye before going into their pods, followed by Greer and TJ. When those guys shut down you know that, hey, this is really happening. The show is ending. Of course Young’s attention would be held by TJ as she goes into a state of hibernation. All the things he never said, never got a chance to….

Finally it is down to Rush, Young and Eli. Interesting how Young only nods in Rush’s direction. There are no handshakes between him and the two men. Rush may be “family” but the only people who would probably display real warmth to him are Camille and Chloe (reminds me that I almost saw a hint of sadness in Rush as he observed Chloe about to enter her tube). Eli does extend a handshake to Young buy Young declines and raps Eli in a bear hug instead before finally getting that overdue rest he was in need of.

The last moments with Eli have been discussed plenty so I won’t add on more other than to say they were beyond terrific. As was the final rear shot of Destiny flying beyond where our eyes could follow.

Of course these moments would not have been nearly as effective if it was not for the beautiful, haunting and hopeful score of music by Mr. Goldsmith. One thing Stargate does much better than Star Trek is its music. TPTB of modern Trek wanted to deemphasize music scores. TPTB of SG realized it is stupid to waste one of the most important components of storytelling for TV and film. Goldsmith had been coming up with great pieces these past two years for SGU and he did not disappoint for the finale.

Other things I liked about the episode:
-The frightening persistence of the drones. Putting blockades around every gate and star in the galaxy? Amazing. I don’t care if they don’t have a distinct personality or a figurehead that could speak with the crew of Destiny. They were a GREAT enemy who in the second half of season two really caused all sorts of problems and permanent change to the crew. And, yes, the drones do represent the fans who hated SGU to me.

-Camille’s story regarding her sorrowful breakup with Sharon.

-Young walking away as Park discovers that her blindness may be permanent.

-TJ’s bitter but brave speech to Chloe about accepting the hand that is dealt you.

-Greer’s private talk with Park about the growing list of obstacles. She was right to think that Greer could possibly volunteer to be one of the eight. I love Greer’s response about how they goy into the situation together and should get out of it together as well.

-Park sharing her plan with Young and others on the bridge and the lift that gives her spirit as she understands she can still be useful. The handholding with Greer was nice as well.

-And while I’m on the subject of Park that shot of her on Earth, thru stone use, in which she was allowed to see once more was heartbreaking. Kudos to Ms Spence for portraying the emotion perfectly. I would think TPTB would have preferred a more sunny day to shoot that scene but perhaps I’m wrong. Perhaps that would have been too much of a cliché. And for Park it probably doesn’t matter if it is rainy or if the skies were blue. She just wanted to see again.

-After making him look like a jerk most of this season they allowed us a moment to remember that Mortensen (sp? I think that is his name) is not some bad guy who doesn’t contribute to the ship.

-Young’s speech around the table. Short but sweet. Great work by the writers and or directors to have the camera focus on Eli, Greer and TV respectively when Young mentioned the words “the smartest”, “the bravest” and “the most compassionate”. Very nice touch.

-And perhaps it was just me but when everyone seemed to full to eat but Greer still had a strong appetite, I thought it was an inside joke regarding Jamil’s reputation for always eating heavy loads of catered food between shooting (something I learned by listening to the commentaries of the season 1 DVDs).

-Young and Telford’s final talk and handshake. Telford’s line about some of them having a few more gray hairs when they next would meet was an example of how real these characters come across to me.

That’s all I can think of as of now. I probably missed a few things but that’s unimportant. All I have left to say is the only final episode of a sci fi show that moved me as much as “Gauntlet” was Babylon 5’s “Sleeping In Light”. And it is no coincidence that both had a soaring score to accompany them. Interesting how both shows produced those marvelous finales despite being in states of uncertainty. When “Sleeping In Light” was filmed B5 was not ensured at the time of getting a fifth season so the ep jumped twenty years in time as a wrapup. Fortunately for B5 it did get that final season and “Sleeping in Light” was fittingly able to slide at the end of season five rather than season four. SGU didn’t get that lucky. But it provided a classic finale nonetheless.

Goodbye, my friends. Sleep well.

Baltic
May 15th, 2011, 06:41 AM
Too bad the stargate is ended. It is possible they continue this massive franchise


But you may look this thread: http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/80645-New-Franchise-Stargate-Chronicles

garhkal
May 15th, 2011, 01:01 PM
How can one view that page.. when i click on it, i get

"Sorry, garhkal! You do not have access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. If you've recently signed up, your new account may still be awaiting activation. Have you received your validation e-mail?
2. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
3. Only advanced members may add items to the Calendar. Check the FAQ for more info."

jelgate
May 15th, 2011, 01:25 PM
How can one view that page.. when i click on it, i get

"Sorry, garhkal! You do not have access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. If you've recently signed up, your new account may still be awaiting activation. Have you received your validation e-mail?
2. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
3. Only advanced members may add items to the Calendar. Check the FAQ for more info."

It usually means its been suck in for moderation

Pharaoh Atem
May 15th, 2011, 01:27 PM
How can one view that page.. when i click on it, i get

"Sorry, garhkal! You do not have access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. If you've recently signed up, your new account may still be awaiting activation. Have you received your validation e-mail?
2. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
3. Only advanced members may add items to the Calendar. Check the FAQ for more info."

the mods pulled the thread for some reason

garhkal
May 16th, 2011, 05:24 PM
Hrm!

generaloneill
June 13th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Wow.

Just wow.

That sure was emotional. It hit me harder than I expected.

This analogy may come across as insulting (that’s not my intent), but when I learned that SGU was cancelled it was like getting the bad news that a new and close friend was dying. I had months to prepare for it and thought I had steeled myself for the eventual passing. That passing away took place at about midnight on Monday (or Tuesday morning if you like) since I waited for the second broadcast on SyFy. As impacted as I was by it wasn’t until the following days that it really, really hit me. Basically it took the funeral for me to truly come to terms with my emotions.

These last few days I have been thinking a lot about SGU. Especially about the characters. I can’t get them out of my head. I won’t allow myself to cry but I can’t contain my melancholy. I most likely won’t be seeing these characters ever again. Monday the crew said not only goodbye to each other but to us, the audience. And what a perfect way for them to go about it with the stasis tubes. Simply brilliant. If it had ended at the table with all of them hearing a final toast then it would not have been as effective. But to see them all enter into a kind of sleeping chamber that would put them on “ice” for about three years was profoundly powerful and sad. I shouldn’t say “all” because one person made what could be the ultimate sacrifice. Eli’s decision at the end was a major highlight and allowed me to appreciate the character more than I ever have before. Now I can’t help but think of all the possibilities for these individuals. It is easy to say that they will survive, to want them all to survive. Heck, why not? It is our imagination. However it is just as easy to imagine that not everything will turn out alright which would be keeping with tradition for this show.

I know some are not happy that certain characters were not still around for the final toast but I think dividing up the sequences and times in which the crew went into stasis was the smart decision. It help distribute the wealth a bit throughout the last half of the show and gave individual characters their moment in the spotlight. First we got Varro. In the second part we saw James head off to sleep (a curious choice considering her role as a reliable officer for Young) and Barnes as well. Obviously TPTB were not thinking from the view point of the reality those characters inhabited but instead about which actors/actresses were considered to be the main leads rather than supporting players. But that’s okay. That allowed the Three Musketeers of Brody, Park and Volker to get their own moment in the sun when they went next. How much we have come to love those characters. There may not have been a goodbye that got me choked up as much as the quick handshake between Volker and Brody who are now basically brothers. A nice touch was Greer leading Park tenderly to her tube and taking her shades before stepping back. He looks sad as he stares at her and she is looking in his direction as if desperate to see him one last time but of course she can’t. Right behind Greer, staring directly at Park, is Volker already in his tube. How fitting, as others have pointed out, that even with his being directly across from Park she won’t be able to see him, just as she wasn’t able to “see” his feelings for her these last past months.

Then, for the fourth round, we see Scott and Chloe kiss goodbye before going into their pods, followed by Greer and TJ. When those guys shut down you know that, hey, this is really happening. The show is ending. Of course Young’s attention would be held by TJ as she goes into a state of hibernation. All the things he never said, never got a chance to….

Finally it is down to Rush, Young and Eli. Interesting how Young only nods in Rush’s direction. There are no handshakes between him and the two men. Rush may be “family” but the only people who would probably display real warmth to him are Camille and Chloe (reminds me that I almost saw a hint of sadness in Rush as he observed Chloe about to enter her tube). Eli does extend a handshake to Young buy Young declines and raps Eli in a bear hug instead before finally getting that overdue rest he was in need of.

The last moments with Eli have been discussed plenty so I won’t add on more other than to say they were beyond terrific. As was the final rear shot of Destiny flying beyond where our eyes could follow.

Of course these moments would not have been nearly as effective if it was not for the beautiful, haunting and hopeful score of music by Mr. Goldsmith. One thing Stargate does much better than Star Trek is its music. TPTB of modern Trek wanted to deemphasize music scores. TPTB of SG realized it is stupid to waste one of the most important components of storytelling for TV and film. Goldsmith had been coming up with great pieces these past two years for SGU and he did not disappoint for the finale.

Other things I liked about the episode:
-The frightening persistence of the drones. Putting blockades around every gate and star in the galaxy? Amazing. I don’t care if they don’t have a distinct personality or a figurehead that could speak with the crew of Destiny. They were a GREAT enemy who in the second half of season two really caused all sorts of problems and permanent change to the crew. And, yes, the drones do represent the fans who hated SGU to me.

-Camille’s story regarding her sorrowful breakup with Sharon.

-Young walking away as Park discovers that her blindness may be permanent.

-TJ’s bitter but brave speech to Chloe about accepting the hand that is dealt you.

-Greer’s private talk with Park about the growing list of obstacles. She was right to think that Greer could possibly volunteer to be one of the eight. I love Greer’s response about how they goy into the situation together and should get out of it together as well.

-Park sharing her plan with Young and others on the bridge and the lift that gives her spirit as she understands she can still be useful. The handholding with Greer was nice as well.

-And while I’m on the subject of Park that shot of her on Earth, thru stone use, in which she was allowed to see once more was heartbreaking. Kudos to Ms Spence for portraying the emotion perfectly. I would think TPTB would have preferred a more sunny day to shoot that scene but perhaps I’m wrong. Perhaps that would have been too much of a cliché. And for Park it probably doesn’t matter if it is rainy or if the skies were blue. She just wanted to see again.

-After making him look like a jerk most of this season they allowed us a moment to remember that Mortensen (sp? I think that is his name) is not some bad guy who doesn’t contribute to the ship.

-Young’s speech around the table. Short but sweet. Great work by the writers and or directors to have the camera focus on Eli, Greer and TV respectively when Young mentioned the words “the smartest”, “the bravest” and “the most compassionate”. Very nice touch.

-And perhaps it was just me but when everyone seemed to full to eat but Greer still had a strong appetite, I thought it was an inside joke regarding Jamil’s reputation for always eating heavy loads of catered food between shooting (something I learned by listening to the commentaries of the season 1 DVDs).

-Young and Telford’s final talk and handshake. Telford’s line about some of them having a few more gray hairs when they next would meet was an example of how real these characters come across to me.

That’s all I can think of as of now. I probably missed a few things but that’s unimportant. All I have left to say is the only final episode of a sci fi show that moved me as much as “Gauntlet” was Babylon 5’s “Sleeping In Light”. And it is no coincidence that both had a soaring score to accompany them. Interesting how both shows produced those marvelous finales despite being in states of uncertainty. When “Sleeping In Light” was filmed B5 was not ensured at the time of getting a fifth season so the ep jumped twenty years in time as a wrapup. Fortunately for B5 it did get that final season and “Sleeping in Light” was fittingly able to slide at the end of season five rather than season four. SGU didn’t get that lucky. But it provided a classic finale nonetheless.

Goodbye, my friends. Sleep well.

If you don't mind i'll quote you, because you summed up everything i like about this episode and you said it better than i ever could.

Captain James
June 16th, 2011, 02:00 PM
I also liked the ending of this episode and too bad that it was cancelled early as it was.

Marshian
July 21st, 2011, 05:21 AM
What a beautiful show. The production design and cgi are amazing... dark-dreamy. I wish there was a place in art history for all the artists, carpenters and technicians who worked on it. I miss it.

Blizzah
September 16th, 2011, 08:54 AM
I can't believe it is over.

OutandAboot
September 23rd, 2011, 02:43 PM
I can't believe it is over.

So... what did you think of the show as a whole now when you seen it all?

LtColCarter
September 24th, 2011, 04:31 AM
So... what did you think of the show as a whole now when you seen it all?

While the second season was worlds better than the first...especially the 2nd half of the 2nd season...I'm still plagued by the first season. The second half of season 1 was better...but as a whole the series sits in "like it" category. It could've been "love it" if it wasn't trying to be a BSG clone.

jelgate
September 24th, 2011, 07:51 AM
While the second season was worlds better than the first...especially the 2nd half of the 2nd season...I'm still plagued by the first season. The second half of season 1 was better...but as a whole the series sits in "like it" category. It could've been "love it" if it wasn't trying to be a BSG clone.Then you should love it because it never did that

Blizzah
October 3rd, 2011, 03:29 AM
So... what did you think of the show as a whole now when you seen it all?

I loved the show, it was really different from the other SGs which was a nice change, though I admit it took a bit of time getting use to. SGA and SG1 had a formula which made them very popular but that style may have run its course (for the time being). SGU did have its boring episodes but so did the others. I felt the story telling was done quite well and it many episodes a nice balance between emotion and action (adventure). I feel that too many people wanted more of the same (and there is nothing wrong with that) and as a result SGU was too different to hold on to the base that was required to keep the show on the air. I can't say SGU was my favourite but it was an amazing show that was great entertainment and was far better than a lot of the crap that is on TV.

Matt G
November 29th, 2011, 03:09 PM
1. Dones drones more drones...oh cacka...oh cacka...

2. Very nice try with the scissors-paper-stone thing.

3. Gutted to see Park still blind.

4. As for the Young-Telford scene, well Young's going to be gone for three years, he might as well let his wife go and he trusts Telford enough to take care of her.

5. Eli, mate. You are nuts.

As good a way to end the show and franchise as any. It was an honour guys.

Bagpuss
December 3rd, 2011, 11:49 AM
Too bad the stargate is ended. It is possible they continue this massive franchise


But you may look this thread: http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/80645-New-Franchise-Stargate-Chronicles
Corrected the link so it leads to your thread in Fanfiction.:)

Duval
December 8th, 2011, 06:07 PM
I have a lot to like this last episode, with the sadness, knowing that it was every last one. I have to like quite the episodes of SGU, having to stick the first one episode.

To put them all it stase, good way of closing a series, at least it leaves free court(yard) with the imagination and regrettably, we have more that that to continue the adventure of Destiny

maneth
February 24th, 2012, 10:15 AM
I'm so sad it's over and I'm wondering about Eli's final fate... It was just a bit too convenient to have as many pods as members of the crew available.

The end of an era. *sigh*

LT. COL. John Sheppard
February 25th, 2012, 09:51 PM
this and Epilogue only SGU eps when i got teary

landen
March 18th, 2012, 08:19 AM
I loved the ending.....I wonna see it again

KEK
March 18th, 2012, 11:18 AM
I loved the ending.....I wonna see it again


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYnCuXQF6nQ

garhkal
March 18th, 2012, 01:14 PM
still brings me close to tears........:(

themeatcleaver
March 18th, 2012, 01:54 PM
i still love the little smile from Eli at the end. that was a brilliant touch!

Trig
March 20th, 2012, 07:23 AM
Certainly the best ending when you look at Unending and Enemy at the Gate...

garhkal
March 20th, 2012, 04:26 PM
One thing i would have loved to have seen added, even if only a brief part, was a last little good bye from the cast added at the end, say right after the credits...

KEK
March 22nd, 2012, 07:51 AM
One thing i would have loved to have seen added, even if only a brief part, was a last little good bye from the cast added at the end, say right after the credits...

That sounds a bit corny. Besides, when the episode was filmed they had no idea they were cancelled.

LT. COL. John Sheppard
March 22nd, 2012, 02:39 PM
One thing i would have loved to have seen added, even if only a brief part, was a last little good bye from the cast added at the end, say right after the credits...
i have to agree with KEK plus the show only went for 2 seasons as appose to 2 movies and 10 seasons and 3 spin-offs

darkhorseD
May 31st, 2012, 11:47 PM
Worst ending I have ever seen! I was expecting them to somehow get back to earth, not go into hibernation.

Trig
June 1st, 2012, 02:16 AM
It was never meant to be a series ender though, and at least this way theres a faint hope that in 3 years time we might get something back....

Krisz
June 2nd, 2012, 12:25 PM
I liked the way it was left open too. an ending with hope.

It is still the best ending of any of the Stargate series' for me. Going into stasis to get across a massive void with minimal power and serious damage to Destiny was a reasonable decision that had to be made, given how they had to make decisions on the fly with all that had happened in the previous two years. Even though the crew are saying goodbye to each other, they aren't really, I liked that.

Dale Volker
June 23rd, 2012, 03:50 AM
It was a heart wrenching yet beautiful way to go. That way Eli smiles at the end shows he's found his destiny with the Destiny.

newton_carter1392
August 11th, 2012, 06:48 PM
Okay I'm brand new to all of this (I know I'm pretty damn late :tealcanime23: ) and I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but I gotta keep some hope alive for myself, I'm really hoping that somehow someway they renew the series and continue it in 2 years just to keep with the storyline i think that woulod be great and although i know it's a long shot i can still hope.

Dale Volker
August 11th, 2012, 10:50 PM
Okay I'm brand new to all of this (I know I'm pretty damn late :tealcanime23: ) and I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but I gotta keep some hope alive for myself, I'm really hoping that somehow someway they renew the series and continue it in 2 years just to keep with the storyline i think that woulod be great and although i know it's a long shot i can still hope.

Its great to see that some people still hold the hope. Many have lost hope for the continuation of SGU...

LtColCarter
August 12th, 2012, 07:26 AM
For me, I this episode was sad not because it was the end of SGU...but it was the end of Stargate on TV.

newton_carter1392
August 12th, 2012, 09:36 PM
Its great to see that some people still hold the hope. Many have lost hope for the continuation of SGU...
Yeah I know what you mean and when I first started SGU I didnt like it very much just because it was so different then SG1 and SGA but after the first season I really started to get into it and I became close to all of the characters and I'm very sad to see the end if it but hopefully by some miracle sometime in the next year or so they'll announce they're bringing it back :)

LittleMissBrilliant
August 22nd, 2012, 04:11 PM
akhjkajkjslk. I just finished SGU. Mixed emotions about the ending. I think I need more details to survive, but it was a nice way to end it...

Wolf O'Donnell
December 3rd, 2012, 08:02 PM
Worst ending I have ever seen! I was expecting them to somehow get back to earth, not go into hibernation.
We were supposed to have 3 more seasons. This was not intended to end the show.

Okay I'm brand new to all of this (I know I'm pretty damn late :tealcanime23: ) and I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but I gotta keep some hope alive for myself, I'm really hoping that somehow someway they renew the series and continue it in 2 years just to keep with the storyline i think that woulod be great and although i know it's a long shot i can still hope.


akhjkajkjslk. I just finished SGU. Mixed emotions about the ending. I think I need more details to survive, but it was a nice way to end it...

It is great to see people still finding SGU. Tell your friends, buy the DVDs, have your friends tell their friends. Maybe one day something will happen.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
December 28th, 2012, 05:07 PM
The perfect way to end a great Stargate series.

SGU was a really great show, anyone who showed hatred of it at the beginning because of Atlantis' Cancellation is a complete moron. I would say a worse word, but I don't want to make Darren mad.

God, Joel's score at the end was just beautiful and perfect.

Now looking because this amazing campaign, what a great idea. This campaign allow me to watch my newly re-purchased SG-1 DVD (I bought the 2nd generation cases, to match with the season 9 & 10 DVD that I bought when they were originally released back in the day).

The one thing I regret is the fact that I should've did a rating system (out of 10) for each episode, so I didn't always to type the same word for most episodes.

This was a fun time, the last year and 5? months. Made me think back to the good old days when we had 2 thriving Stargate Shows.

ZRFTS
December 30th, 2012, 02:26 AM
Unfortunately, the end of Stargate. While I haven't watched the show at the time, I was watching the geekosphere and I picked up on the rumors of the movie coming to fruition; I was almost hoping it would happen since hey, we got the SG-1 movies and they're possibly working on that SGA movie; maybe they could bite the bullet and do the SGU movie right? Unfortunately, MGM passed, shut the whole thing down and sold off the sets. Who knows what would happen had the movies been done but it's too late to think about that now, the decision has been made, there is no turning back unless we find some new mineral or an economic boom.

My opinion of this episode is split; on one hand the first half of the episode is engaging with drama and characterization galore. We get brief hints about the potential of TJ's character now that she has a disease, we get hints about the pure desperation of the crew and we also get a Stargate tradition in that they're finally doing something about it. The show turns to "The Seige" again for what could be considered one of it's traditions, in that they're going to face the enemy and show them they can't mess with good old Earth. It happened to the Gou'ald and Wraith right?

However, it's different in that the drones effectiveness is remarkably durable and there's no help whatsoever to save them; it gives a new light into the hope that they have, they have a plan that might work and they need it to work, otherwise how will they survive, how will they recharge, how will they do anything if those pesky drones are everywhere and the characters show this well; checking the calculations, explaining to Young the technical stuff, praying that they make it out alive. The hope is of course tested during battle where everything goes against plan and considerable damage is taken, it's a real sign of the grittiness of the show, the one where it goes against everything you believe in. You can't imagine a winnable situation for the crew on the ship, you can't imagine being in that situation yourself, you can't imagine that it's even happening which is what makes the shows potential show much good, this really is a different SG series than you've imagined.

But on the other, it's wasted potential. I admire the premise in that they wanted to show how far the characters have come while pushing some sort of cliffhanger in the background; these characters have grown a long way from the first time we've saw them, it was only yesterday that Rush and Young were clashing and now they're working for the greater good, Greer has grown from a gruff military person to a person with heart and compassion while Eli has discovered his true potential as an essential part of the team and it would of been nice to have what these characters now stood for in the face of what came next but alas, it wouldn't happen. Much of the episode consisted of them walking around, talking casually and contemplating their plans, which lead to absolutely nothing in the context of the episode; granted this would be the last moments we'd have with these characters but I want something more, I want the people to expand on the scene where Young is hanging his head, not just drop it when Scott enters the room. I also wanted them to have more Earth scenes rather than Eli's which didn't offer up anything new and only served to reinforce what we already knew, which was "Eli" is close to his mom and is uncertain about being away from her while her mom tells her not to worry because of the "things he's seen".

Awkward character moments also rear their head here, Dr. Park's newfound confidence seemed almost out of place; I thought it was an act she was doing wearing those sunglasses and speaking with confidence but as it turns out I was wrong, it was nice to see her in command but that pose, that voice, it's so unnatural. It didn't make me think of Dr. Park more like some guy in a poor disguise trying to convince other people of their plans. Eli's boasting was way out of character; to me it seemed really pretentious and immature, like his ego was the size of a football field, we have seen the accomplishments that he's done but to actually act as if he's better than everybody else is offputting to say the least; at least Rush manages to save the moment by acting compassionate, rounding up what he's experienced in a logical point of view, giving sage words of advice to Eli and basically passing on the torch, it made both of them into human beings and really reflected the weight of the situation.

As you watch the episode, there is a certain sense of serenity that they include; this of course being the one where they provide you with small moments which show the best of SGU and where they came from, they just had to make it reflective and they do with last moments for everything. Last dangerous mission to get a certain supply that they need, last conversation with Telford, even the Last sight of Scott's son who I'm just glad managed to get mentioned, everything shown is designed to connect with you emotionally and make you show just what this series meant to you even if some of the stuff was weak. You couldn't help to cry a tear at their last reunion, you couldn't help but to cry a tear for their moments, you couldn't help to cry at the long drawn out scenes mostly involving the statis chambers and the shots at the Destiny. Yes they may have wasted time but for those of you who were invested in the series, they made you feel like you and it were one, the lights shutting off at Destiny and it flying off possibly represents the sort of despair that SG fans must of gone through watching this, you couldn't believe that it was over.

At the same time however, a message was planted in that Stargate was going into stasis; we don't know when we're going to be back but rest assured, everything will turn up okay, everything will be the way it was; we'll find a way to be back, even if we have to construct the sets out of cardboard we'll still be back. It may seem more uncertain now than it did back then (since the movie was in the cards) but it still rings true today. It's sleeping, waiting for a time when it can rise back up and provide sci-fi entertainment again and when that time comes, I'm sure the world will be ready for Stargate again.

On a personal note: I'm just saddened that the perception of the show from SG fans and the poor handling of the launch of said show ruined the discovery factor of it; this show was meant to be a dark character drama from the start, it wasn't meant to be releated to SGA or SG1 or even Zombie Stargate; it was meant to be it's own standalone series with it's own characters, own dark issues, own intentions based on exploration and own overall mission. I walked into this show with zero connection to Stargate's past and throughout the time I watched this show I never compared it to the previous shows; I judged it based on it's own merits.

If you're a SG fan, shouldn't you judge this show by it's own merits, not be looking for something relating to SG1's "adventure" style or SGA's "action" style?

Krisz
December 30th, 2012, 12:33 PM
Those wretched drones sure have mean programming! The nasty things have already worked out Destinys weakness. It was a shocking revelation to see them on the long range sensors waiting at every star and planet they would need to stop at.

The fact that they were being beaten at every turn by these drones, and almost at the point of destruction made the moment when they fought back with some measure of success all the more satisfying. Id become frustrated with how easy things were for the people in SGA with instant fixes, this was more like it! Capturing the feel of the Stargate of old, where things didnt always work out and they had to work harder to succeed! However, they do it with the grit and determination of SGU, there is still uncertainty, Destiny is severely damaged, hope is a fragile thing in SGU. This is what I liked about this show and made it the 'different type of Stargate show' that was intended.

For me the series was nicely wrapped up considering the short notice of cancellation at the time. This ending had been written with this possibility in mind so it thankfully didnt feel rushed, but a nice measured farewell. Youngs speech summed up the brave endeavour that was SGU beautifully for me..

YOUNG: Well, uh, we've been through a hell of a lot together, that's for sure. I guess it'd be easy to dwell on everything that we have lost ...

. but I think today I would rather think about what we still have, and maybe what we've gained. We're a family now, whether we like it or not.

Elis whistful, somewhat knowing smile at the end hinted wonderfully of what could have been; so many possibilities. A good ending to the current chapter of the franchise in a way, left the gate open. :)

Matt G
January 1st, 2013, 04:01 PM
November 2011: I was actually mid-Rewatch before I got round to seeing this ep. By this point the family company had been mothballed and I was scrabbling to find something resembling work. The plan had been to record this ep and watch it with a mate who then dropped off the radar (again). Then the Rewatch started not long after and eventually I finished a season with a few days to spare and...(watched yesterday so Rewatch completed on time! :) )

1. Again. Scissors-paper-stone. Good plan. Wouldn't have banked on kamikazee drones.

2. Eli's last scene with Mum was sweet.

3. I might have done what Eli had done. Still nuts though.

And that is it...again!

garhkal
January 3rd, 2013, 03:50 PM
I wonder.. did the "Last supper' comments' come out adlibed, or were they prescriped?

I-Like-Pie
January 6th, 2013, 09:42 AM
When i first saw the episodes and every time I see it, I think;

Why not fix the shields so that they cover the drone weapon range AND suicide runs

garhkal
January 9th, 2013, 03:39 PM
Cause they didn't hae the time to come up with a 'do both'.. it seemed ike either or.

I-Like-Pie
January 10th, 2013, 12:48 AM
Cause they didn't hae the time to come up with a 'do both'.. it seemed ike either or.


No, no, I think it is a plot hole that the writers forgot :)

jelgate
January 10th, 2013, 07:50 AM
No its not. You can't just simply fix the shields as we saw in Resurgance and Twin Destinites

I-Like-Pie
January 13th, 2013, 05:28 AM
No its not. You can't just simply fix the shields as we saw in Resurgance and Twin Destinites


the ship circles through different ranges with its shield trying to match an incoming attack

They changed it so to only cover the range of the drone weapons

So why not also include suicide runs and exploding cores

so that it circles through these 3 ranges

So not ALL ranges, not 1 range, but 3 ranges

jelgate
January 13th, 2013, 08:01 AM
The shield doesn't protect against physical contact only energy attacks

I-Like-Pie
January 13th, 2013, 10:52 AM
The shield doesn't protect against physical contact only energy attacks

Normally the shield covers a whole different type of ranges, including physical strikes.

What they did was cut away everything that wasnt in the drone weapon range

So I say keep physical attacks and exploding cores, and of course the drone weapon range, and they should be golden.

And of course it covers physical attacks, in space there are lots of asteroids and such, you would not design shields that can not protect agsint physical attacks

Also when the blue aliens land they need to dial down the shield strength so that the Blue Aliens can board and take Chloe, as seen in the episode where the ships simulates attacks and projects them into Everett Young's head

garhkal
January 19th, 2013, 02:47 PM
Perhaps the computer could not be programmed for more than one item?

I-Like-Pie
January 19th, 2013, 04:06 PM
Perhaps the computer could not be programmed for more than one item?

Yes perhaps, it was 1 or everything and ONLY those 2 options

OR perhaps it is a plot hole :)

jelgate
January 19th, 2013, 04:10 PM
People are too quick to label every unanwered question a plot hole

Cluas
March 5th, 2013, 11:37 AM
The end of stargate. And it took me three months :eek:

So now it's time for a serious break.

All I can say is that I loved this show, as much as SG1 and SGA. Perhaps even more.

Trig
March 6th, 2013, 01:40 AM
I still havent started watching SGU-S2 yet, living in denial...

garhkal
March 6th, 2013, 03:28 PM
The end of stargate. And it took me three months :eek:


How many eps a day did you go through?

Cluas
March 6th, 2013, 10:17 PM
How many eps a day did you go through?

I started with the movie late in december...

So I guess I have been watching 3 a day - In average. Some days I had no time, and some days I remember watching up to ten episodes...
:D

garhkal
March 10th, 2013, 01:25 PM
Crikey.. last rewatch i did i ave'ed 4 eps a day.

Trig
March 11th, 2013, 02:26 AM
When it started I was probably close to that, the joys of two monitors and an office to yourself...

Darian
April 14th, 2013, 05:36 AM
:thoranime01: They ended it too early

Trig
April 14th, 2013, 03:04 PM
Indeed, it was never the sort of show where you could just drop in, it needed the first season to get its stride, it also didnt need the stupid mid-season break thing then do in the USA, season 2 really started to shine, few weak episodes but over all probably my most missed series...

Cluas
April 15th, 2013, 04:17 AM
Season 3 would have been so awesome, I'm sure. Too bad it never happened


:mckayanime07:

Lieutenant Sparrow
July 8th, 2013, 06:52 AM
I don't know why but I never posted here during the Rewatch. Maybe it would have felt final if I wrote out my thoughts? Who knows.

For a final it was pretty average. There was some minor fights with the drones but that was nothing new. Although changing the shield and the kamikaze runs was something different. Using the shuttle to blow up the command ship was a nice f you moment.

Rush: You've come a long way from that videogame slacker I met over a year ago.

Eli: Thanks, you've been pretty consistent.

LOL

And then we come to the best/worst part of the ep. Everyone is in stasis but Eli. The ship is slowly shutting down section by section. A symbol that Stargate as a whole has come to end :( the music gets me every time :'(

We see a smile cross Eli's face as he realises what an amazing journey he has been on. I think? And we see the Destiny fly off into the sunset...........stars.

I'm very late to the going away party. But I had a great journey watching the shows again with you all. And that my fellow Gaters is the final ever episode of Stargate. :'(

The trip will take 3 years. So I expect a movie to be announced in 2014!

Trig
July 9th, 2013, 05:47 AM
2015, Eli will have done something to fix the last pod that created an issue with power and the ship will have had to have slow down a bit to make the jump between galaxies.
This will also create questions at SGC about why they haven't been back in touch, an agreement with the Kelownans (sp) will be sorted out and with the help of the guys at Atlantis a semi-stable wormhole will be established and we'll finally get an SG1/SGA/SGU cross over movie where everything that was previously unexplained or left unanswered will be answered and then we'll get a 3rd season :lol:

Krisz
July 9th, 2013, 08:37 PM
2015, Eli will have done something to fix the last pod that created an issue with power and the ship will have had to have slow down a bit to make the jump between galaxies.
This will also create questions at SGC about why they haven't been back in touch, an agreement with the Kelownans (sp) will be sorted out and with the help of the guys at Atlantis a semi-stable wormhole will be established and we'll finally get an SG1/SGA/SGU cross over movie where everything that was previously unexplained or left unanswered will be answered and then we'll get a 3rd season :lol:

In our dreams, an alternate reality or we're in some hallucination and season 3 going on season 4 along with a movie is happening while we're stuck in the illusion of life without any more SGU!! :P

garhkal
July 11th, 2013, 11:19 PM
2015, Eli will have done something to fix the last pod that created an issue with power and the ship will have had to have slow down a bit to make the jump between galaxies.
This will also create questions at SGC about why they haven't been back in touch, an agreement with the Kelownans (sp) will be sorted out and with the help of the guys at Atlantis a semi-stable wormhole will be established and we'll finally get an SG1/SGA/SGU cross over movie where everything that was previously unexplained or left unanswered will be answered and then we'll get a 3rd season :lol:

WE can hope!

Trig
July 15th, 2013, 05:47 AM
There is always hope..

Scofield
July 21st, 2013, 01:16 PM
2015, Eli will have done something to fix the last pod that created an issue with power and the ship will have had to have slow down a bit to make the jump between galaxies.
This will also create questions at SGC about why they haven't been back in touch, an agreement with the Kelownans (sp) will be sorted out and with the help of the guys at Atlantis a semi-stable wormhole will be established and we'll finally get an SG1/SGA/SGU cross over movie where everything that was previously unexplained or left unanswered will be answered and then we'll get a 3rd season
Niice!! SG1 SGA SGU crossover is something i always dreamed of. Maybe not always..5 years ago i didn't even know about the series...poor me.

Baron Of Hell
September 19th, 2013, 10:35 AM
Its all over, time to sleep. Really enjoyed this series, by far the best of the stargates for me.