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General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 05:51 PM
loved it! VFX that is better than most blockbusters! to bad Park maybe permanently blind

Wolf O'Donnell
May 2nd, 2011, 05:51 PM
Why was this canceled! This episode was so good!!!!!!!

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 05:52 PM
Getting real sick of these drones

morbosfist
May 2nd, 2011, 05:53 PM
It's too bad this season is the last. This just keeps getting better and better. The drones are like the Replicators only bigger and more unnerving. Park gets blinded (excellent visual scene, by the way, pardon the irony). The drones land a whole command ship on the colony. The star was gorgeous. The next should be a pretty good send-off.

jelgate
May 2nd, 2011, 05:54 PM
Why was this canceled! This episode was so good!!!!!!!

Getting less then a million viewers. That said I liked especially the side effects on what happened to Park

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 05:54 PM
I don't like that the back pack survived though

Wolf O'Donnell
May 2nd, 2011, 05:55 PM
Am I right in understanding that the Novus refugees just went to random planets rather then have the ship take them to the location of where most of the other Novus people gated too?

LtColCarter
May 2nd, 2011, 05:55 PM
Enjoyed the episode...thought it was another solid one.

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 05:55 PM
I don't like that the back pack survived though
That was a bit unrealistic. It made her sacrifice worth it though.

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 05:57 PM
Pretty disappointing Bit next weeks going to be nuts

LtColCarter
May 2nd, 2011, 05:58 PM
Am I right in understanding that the Novus refugees just went to random planets rather then have the ship take them to the location of where most of the other Novus people gated too?

I wondered what happened to them.

morbosfist
May 2nd, 2011, 05:59 PM
Am I right in understanding that the Novus refugees just went to random planets rather then have the ship take them to the location of where most of the other Novus people gated too?No. Destiny left them at the colony world where the ships are going. These are additional colonies founded before the gate on Novus failed.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 2nd, 2011, 06:00 PM
i gotta tell you this was "jam packed" full of action

LtColCarter
May 2nd, 2011, 06:01 PM
No. Destiny left them at the colony world where the ships are going. These are additional colonies founded before the gate on Novus failed.

Ahhh...oklie doklie.

Wolf O'Donnell
May 2nd, 2011, 06:02 PM
No. Destiny left them at the colony world where the ships are going. These are additional colonies founded before the gate on Novus failed.

Didn't a bunch of Novus people gate to that planet and then the gate was destroyed and that's why they built the ships that are going to eventually get there? So shouldn't there already be people on that planet that we might have been able to get resources from?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 2nd, 2011, 06:05 PM
Didn't a bunch of Novus people gate to that planet and then the gate was destroyed and that's why they built the ships that are going to eventually get there? So shouldn't there already be people on that planet that we might have been able to get resources from?

2,000 years or so of history that could've been explored goes down the drain.

ZoSo
May 2nd, 2011, 06:08 PM
Yeah, not exactly thrilled that the Novus refugee storyline just kinda vanished.

morbosfist
May 2nd, 2011, 06:09 PM
Didn't a bunch of Novus people gate to that planet and then the gate was destroyed and that's why they built the ships that are going to eventually get there? So shouldn't there already be people on that planet that we might have been able to get resources from?There probably were, and resources likely were collected. They just didn't bother showing it. The point was to offload the people. There's only so much that could be offered.

Wolf O'Donnell
May 2nd, 2011, 06:13 PM
Yeah, not exactly thrilled that the Novus refugee storyline just kinda vanished.


There probably were, and resources likely were collected. They just didn't bother showing it. The point was to offload the people. There's only so much that could be offered.

That actually really bothers me. I hate it when the writers ignore stuff for convenience. The Novus people could have given us new insights I would have liked to see and I would have liked to see what the new world became.
This reminds me of when Atlantis found living ancients and by the next episode they were all dead and it was like nothing ever happened. That episode sort of turned me off of SGA.

Replicator Todd
May 2nd, 2011, 06:14 PM
Loved this one! Seeing the Command ship come down form the clouds was just :eek:.

And the music when the drones first attacked the Destiny was awesome.

vidastars
May 2nd, 2011, 06:23 PM
I enjoyed it. Watching it just gets me mad that they are cancelling it. If they needed money then I am sure we got no problem donating something. I hate the facted that the finale is only an hour and not two.

Cold Fuzz
May 2nd, 2011, 06:27 PM
Loved this one! Seeing the Command ship come down form the clouds was just :eek:.

And the music when the drones first attacked the Destiny was awesome.

The music was a notable plus in this episode for me. I started thinking of Daft Punk's score of Tron: Legacy almost immediately. :cool:

Joachim
May 2nd, 2011, 06:32 PM
Excellent episode... Definitely much better than the previous two. This is the first time I've felt happy about the novans - incidentally, when they weren't actually around. I think it would have been better if this is how we initially discovered them, on their abandoned homeworld.

I guess, in keeping with that theme, I'm glad that the passengers were dropped off off-camera. I don't really want to see them anymore; I want to see whats left of them, I want to explore them as an archaic mythology - I don't want to see or talk to them. at that point, it just becomes campy and awkward. like bad fan-fiction.

goga
May 2nd, 2011, 06:39 PM
Wait, so what happened to the village people that they picked up last episode?

morbosfist
May 2nd, 2011, 06:40 PM
Wait, so what happened to the village people that they picked up last episode?Dropped off at the planet where the Novan ships were going, then they moved on.

AscendedTauri
May 2nd, 2011, 06:41 PM
That was absolutely incredible!!!!

It felt like a feature film in just 45 minutes!!

As someone said, the command ship at the end was frightening and the music was awesome!!

The Eli v. Rush dynamic reached a new level, and Park's near-death was SO powerful.

It's been said a million times, but it's simply a travesty this show... this FRANCHISE.... is coming to an end when the quality is so obviously amazing.

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 06:42 PM
Wait, so what happened to the village people that they picked up last episode?

they were dropped off on the planet the ships are heading to

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 06:46 PM
Wait, so what happened to the village people that they picked up last episode?

cannibalism

Replicator Todd
May 2nd, 2011, 06:49 PM
The music was a notable plus in this episode for me. I started thinking of Daft Punk's score of Tron: Legacy almost immediately. :cool:

Exactly what it reminded me of! :D


cannibalism

:lol:

goga
May 2nd, 2011, 07:14 PM
cannibalism

LOL DAM! Wait so how did they find out which planet they went to? Sorry...I'm having problems remembering O_o I thought we only knew that they went to another planet just not which one it was.

jsunski
May 2nd, 2011, 07:15 PM
Re-watching they did a little foreshadowing to Park's pending blindness.... through the convo with eli about looking at the stars.

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 07:17 PM
Re-watching they did a little foreshadowing to Park's pending blindness.... through the convo with eli about looking at the stars.

the next ep ? or this one?

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 07:19 PM
Re-watching they did a little foreshadowing to Park's pending blindness.... through the convo with eli about looking at the stars.


the next ep ? or this one?

I'm hinting at the "re-watching" part as this one.

Cold Fuzz
May 2nd, 2011, 07:22 PM
Blockade had a large number of wonderful moments for me. Lots of things just clicked:


The Daft Punk-esque music
Young: Who am I? Captain Kirk?
Rush to Camille after she sits in the command chair: Don't touch anything.
The conversation about the Type O star. A blue supergiant at 24 solar masses = :eek:
The VFX for the blue supergiant was brilliant. Literally blue fire. :cool:
Eli: Holy crap, we dialed Pittsburgh.
Camille: I'd kill for a new outfit.
James: Hey, I was born in Pittsburgh!
Volker: Mmm. Botulism.
The newspaper written in a language similar to Ancient.
Greer: What kind of city doesn't have a gun shop? Volker: Maybe they're Canadian? :P
James slugging Morrison and breaking his nose. He's had that coming for 2 seasons.
Young, Greer, and Scott triangulating their fire to take down a drone.
The command ship coming down into the atmosphere. :eek: Eerie as hell.
The entire sequence with Park trapped in the Dome. Harrowing.
Varro shooting down the drone with an improvised bazooka. Absolutely badass. :cool:
Volker and Brody ending the episode with a dreadful "yay."


Edit: A couple of other little tidbits I saw at the re-watch. One of the shops was called the Cobalt Cafe. There's also Young finding a dry cleaner. I also love that sound the drones make on the planet when they're hovering nearby. And Greer: Keep shopping. :D

Superhero in Disguise
May 2nd, 2011, 07:32 PM
I don't like that the back pack survived though


That was a bit unrealistic. It made her sacrifice worth it though.

I don't know about it being unrealistic, granted I'm no expert or anything but it could be possible. Remember she had the bag submerged under water with her right up to the point where the dome was breached and everything got sucked out. In order for fire to happen it requires three things a heat source (which was sucked out into the vacuum of space which is very cold), oxygen (again something that was sucked out of the room very quickly), and a fuel source (in this case it would have been the bag, which was sopping wet and as I'm sure lots of people know sopping wet things are hard to light on fire) fire can't exist without all of these elements in place and in the right proportions so granted it would be an extremely long shot but I think it's plausible for the bag to have survived.

Again like I said I'm no expert so it's possible that I'm completely off the mark here, this is just coming from my understanding of how fire works. Feel free to correct me if you have a better understanding of how these things work and I am wrong I'm always up for learning new things.

On a similar note though I'd like to know why the water didn't start to boil? Didn't Rush at one point mention something about the temp reaching some where around 300 degrees. Wouldn't that be hot enough to boil water?

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 07:35 PM
I don't know about it being unrealistic, granted I'm no expert or anything but it could be possible. Remember she had the bag submerged under water with her right up to the point where the dome was breached and everything got sucked out. In order for fire to happen it requires three things a heat source (which was sucked out into the vacuum of space which is very cold), oxygen (again something that was sucked out of the room very quickly), and a fuel source (in this case it would have been the bag, which was sopping wet and as I'm sure lots of people know sopping wet things are hard to light on fire) fire can't exist without all of these elements in place and in the right proportions so granted it would be an extremely long shot but I think it's plausible for the bag to have survived.

Again like I said I'm no expert so it's possible that I'm completely off the mark here, this is just coming from my understanding of how fire works. Feel free to correct me if you have a better understanding of how these things work and I am wrong I'm always up for learning new things.

On a similar note though I'd like to know why the water didn't start to boil? Didn't Rush at one point mention something about the temp reaching some where around 300 degrees. Wouldn't that be hot enough to boil water?

The heat source was the sun. The bag would have been instantly incinerated once there was a line of sight between it and the planet (ditto for that spacesuit). The water was boiling BTW.

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 07:35 PM
On a similar note though I'd like to know why the water didn't start to boil? Didn't Rush at one point mention something about the temp reaching some where around 300 degrees. Wouldn't that be hot enough to boil water?

Water boils at 212 Fahrenheit.

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 07:37 PM
Water boils at 212 Fahrenheit.
It has to warm up first. A metal bowl half full of water and placed inside a 300F will resist boiling for a long time.

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 07:42 PM
It has to warm up first. A metal bowl half full of water and placed inside a 300F will resist boiling for a long time.

this "bowl" looked full to me and on its way toward the sun looked like it the room was getting hotter over time, second in that short scene it looked like it was boiling to me

TheRandomOne
May 2nd, 2011, 07:44 PM
The writers seem to be making a point this season. If you don't listen to Rush then you will get ****ed up. Rush told Park to stay put & not move & what she does ends up getting her blind

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 07:49 PM
The writers seem to be making a point this season. If you don't listen to Rush then you will get ****ed up. Rush told Park to stay put & not move & what she does ends up getting her blind
There was no staying put when the hiding place was sucked into space.

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 07:50 PM
this "bowl" looked full to me and on its way toward the sun looked like it the room was getting hotter over time, second in that short scene it looked like it was boiling to me
I agree it was boiling. The boiling was from radiation heat transfer not the internal temperature of the room.

LeonK
May 2nd, 2011, 07:51 PM
There was no staying put when the hiding place was sucked into space.

Exactly. It sucked her upwards, only her magboots kept her there at all.

Why don't these space suits have some sort of visor though?....that part bugs me. It should have some sort of automatic visor, no?

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 07:51 PM
The writers seem to be making a point this season. If you don't listen to Rush then you will get ****ed up. Rush told Park to stay put & not move & what she does ends up getting her blind

at least she is alive!

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 07:52 PM
Why don't these space suits have some sort of visor though?....that part bugs me. It should have some sort of automatic visor, no?

in SGA there was a visior maybe the destiny crew hasn't figured it out yet

goga
May 2nd, 2011, 07:55 PM
Maybe the sheer intensity of the light was too much even for the visor to handle.

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 07:55 PM
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/atl_season5/511-TheLostTribe/screencaps/PDVD_0812.JPG

http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season1/106-Water/screencaps/normal_sgu_106_0553.jpg

LeonK
May 2nd, 2011, 07:57 PM
in SGA there was a visior maybe the destiny crew hasn't figured it out yet

Maybe.

I just find it hard to believe that any space suit doesn't have a visor. And one that advanced should have some automatic visor or something...But like you said, maybe they just haven't figured it out yet?...

Superhero in Disguise
May 2nd, 2011, 07:57 PM
The heat source was the sun. The bag would have been instantly incinerated once there was a line of sight between it and the planet (ditto for that spacesuit).

But wasn't the ship pretty much out of the star when the dome finally breached? And the dome was on top of the ship so the ship its self would have been between Park and the sun preventing a clear line of sight


The water was boiling BTW.

Was it? I guess I'll have to re-watch it because I never really saw any thing that looked like the water was boiling. At one point I know they showed an under water shot and there where some bubbles but to me it that didn't really look like boiling water more like air bubbles. And didn't they show an over view shot that showed her lying in the water while the fire was raging around her and the water was pretty calm. Maybe I just wasn't paying that close of attention.

But like I said I'm no expert this is just me trying to remember things I learned in my high school science classes. I know there are much smarter people out there than me and I'm not trying to rile any one up or anything so I'll just take your guys' word for it.

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 07:59 PM
All it would take is looking forward and then glancing up. The good news is that not unlike glancing at a welding arc the spots will disappear after a while. She will most likely be fine.

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 07:59 PM
Maybe.

I just find it hard to believe that any space suit doesn't have a visor. And one that advanced should have some automatic visor or something...But like you said, maybe they just haven't figured it out yet?...

the third suit was only recently repaired so it's stands to reason that the crew hasn't figured it out yet

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
But wasn't the ship pretty much out of the star when the dome finally breached? And the dome was on top of the ship so the ship its self would have been between Park and the sun preventing a clear line of sight



Was it? I guess I'll have to re-watch it because I never really saw any thing that looked like the water was boiling. At one point I know they showed an under water shot and there where some bubbles but to me it that didn't really look like boiling water more like air bubbles. And didn't they show an over view shot that showed her lying in the water while the fire was raging around her and the water was pretty calm.

But like I said I'm no expert this is just me trying to remember things I learned in my high school science classes. I know there are much smarter people out there than me and I'm not trying to rile any one up or anything so I'll just take your guys' word for it.
Even if the window was facing away, there was still line of site to the hot gases. The space around the sun is also hot.

Just before the window blew the water was at a rolling boil.

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
All it would take is looking forward and then glancing up. The good news is that not unlike glancing at a welding arc the spots will disappear after a while. She will most likely be fine.

i hope not it adds a new variable to the plot now that one of the science team members has a disability

chris777
May 2nd, 2011, 08:01 PM
The SGA suits were "supposed" to be asgard in origin, with different helmets, they just recycled them for this show.

I missed several bits had to go to hospital. caught a bit before we left, and the tail end of the repeat, when got home. Where can I see it again without having to wait a week?

I will say this, we're dropping cable soon, and probably switching ot netflix etc, as bad and I really mean it, this show is a big loss, AS I hat it they canceled it, at least I don't feel like i will be missing anything not naving access to syfy.

Talk about running a channel off of a cliff, and into reality shows and cooking.

Their loss. And well ours in the case of this show, but in the end thye will do the most suffering because theuy will loose their core audience.

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 08:05 PM
i hope not it adds a new variable to the plot now that one of the science team members has a disability

For one episode??? We've already got Rush and his mental health issues for the science team disability.

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 08:06 PM
The SGA suits were "supposed" to be asgard in origin, with different helmets, they just recycled them for this show.

I missed several bits had to go to hospital. caught a bit before we left, and the tail end of the repeat, when got home. Where can I see it again without having to wait a week?

I will say this, we're dropping cable soon, and probably switching ot netflix etc, as bad and I really mean it, this show is a big loss, AS I hat it they canceled it, at least I don't feel like i will be missing anything not naving access to syfy.

Talk about running a channel off of a cliff, and into reality shows and cooking.

Their loss. And well ours in the case of this show, but in the end thye will do the most suffering because theuy will loose their core audience.

syfy will have tons of good programing.

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 08:07 PM
For one episode??? We've already got Rush and his mental health issues for the science team disability.
if that's the case then i love it even more cause it's human.

LeonK
May 2nd, 2011, 08:08 PM
For one episode???


Well to be fair, they didn't know it would be for 1 episode when they wrote it. :(



We've already got Rush and his mental health issues for the science team disability.

ROFL!

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 08:08 PM
syfy will have tons of good programing.

syfy will have tons of boring programing and few awesome programing.

morrismike
May 2nd, 2011, 08:11 PM
syfy will have tons of boring programing and few awesome programing.

santuary, being human, haven, blood and chrome, etc.

Pharaoh Atem
May 2nd, 2011, 08:11 PM
santuary, being human, haven, blood and chrome, etc.

and none of this has anything to do with blockade.

General Jumper One
May 2nd, 2011, 08:16 PM
santuary, being human, haven, blood and chrome, etc.

those would be the few awesome ones.

sholva1
May 2nd, 2011, 08:34 PM
absolutely enjoyable

MattSilver 3k
May 2nd, 2011, 08:39 PM
An excellent episode - probably my favourite "action-y" episode, maybe because of the different writer than the usual action-y ones. Poor Park, though. Damn, I thought she was toast, but I hesitate to call maybe permanently blinded any better! Jeez-us.

Also, while I'm cool with the Novans being unloaded and all, there's still a bit of a niggling thing involved with how the Destiny crew could be cool with leaving them there at the new expedition planet with the drones so close, and I'm wondering if they used the shuttles to drop them off to not tip off the drones, or... et cetera. And I was hoping a few Novans would want to hang around - maybe one or two could've been introduced that actually believed in the mission - a religion was made up of it, so maybe there could've been something off that, Futuran belief or no - and would join up as recurring characters. Of course, the show's cancelled, but hey, I can dream.

Cold Fuzz
May 2nd, 2011, 08:44 PM
An excellent episode - probably my favourite "action-y" episode, maybe because of the different writer than the usual action-y ones. Poor Park, though. Damn, I thought she was toast, but I hesitate to call maybe permanently blinded any better! Jeez-us.

Also, while I'm cool with the Novans being unloaded and all, there's still a bit of a niggling thing involved with how the Destiny crew could be cool with leaving them there at the new expedition planet with the drones so close, and I'm wondering if they used the shuttles to drop them off to not tip off the drones, or... et cetera. And I was hoping a few Novans would want to hang around - maybe one or two could've been introduced that actually believed in the mission - a religion was made up of it, so maybe there could've been something off that, Futuran belief or no - and would join up as recurring characters. Of course, the show's cancelled, but hey, I can dream.

I'm not sure how many days had passed since they left Novus but I got the impression that maybe they haven't dropped the Novans off just yet? I'm just not sure.

MattSilver 3k
May 2nd, 2011, 08:49 PM
I'm not sure how many days had passed since they left Novus but I got the impression that maybe they haven't dropped the Novans off just yet? I'm just not sure.

Nah, right at the start with Rush and Eli, Rush mentioned the Novans being gone during the conversation about Eli's documentary. I think if they were around in this episode, we would've had a bigger crowd going through the Gate.

Flibby
May 2nd, 2011, 08:57 PM
I don't know about it being unrealistic, granted I'm no expert or anything but it could be possible. Remember she had the bag submerged under water with her right up to the point where the dome was breached and everything got sucked out. In order for fire to happen it requires three things a heat source (which was sucked out into the vacuum of space which is very cold), oxygen (again something that was sucked out of the room very quickly), and a fuel source (in this case it would have been the bag, which was sopping wet and as I'm sure lots of people know sopping wet things are hard to light on fire) fire can't exist without all of these elements in place and in the right proportions so granted it would be an extremely long shot but I think it's plausible for the bag to have survived.

Again like I said I'm no expert so it's possible that I'm completely off the mark here, this is just coming from my understanding of how fire works. Feel free to correct me if you have a better understanding of how these things work and I am wrong I'm always up for learning new things.

On a similar note though I'd like to know why the water didn't start to boil? Didn't Rush at one point mention something about the temp reaching some where around 300 degrees. Wouldn't that be hot enough to boil water?

The only problem is that space is NOT cold. Space isn't cold or warm or anything, because heat is just the vibration of matter, and space is opposite of matter. In fact, if anything, it's hot, because that entire area was saturated with UV radiation. Other than that, you're right.

Regarding the boiling, it looked like it was boiling and it was just taking a while. Also, it looked like there was less of it there near the end.

santuary, being human, haven, blood and chrome, etc.
Haven is a horrible show. The explanation for the plot of every episode is "OMG IT'S MAGIC", "but I don't believe in this kinda stuff" "welcome to haven herpyderp"
Also, they pretend to make it interesting by halfassing a piss-poor element of mystery to the main character.

Other than that Sanctuary is okay. I'm not gonna bother with Being Human; I'd rather just watch the original. I'll give the new BSG a shot, but I'm not going to get invested, because I know exactly what will happen if it's any good.

ZoSo
May 2nd, 2011, 09:09 PM
Why don't these space suits have some sort of visor though?....that part bugs me. It should have some sort of automatic visor, no?

My guess is they're supposed to be for deep space work only. The only time Destiny really gets anywhere near a star is when it recharges.

Browncoat1984
May 2nd, 2011, 09:10 PM
This was a great episode! Awesome visuals and makes me want to cry that its ending. Honestly, if they're putting the franchise to a rest, why not just give us a big conclusion to the series so that we can be happy and excited for what's to come from new people?? Now people are just going to be mad and pissed that its gone and won't be trusting of new blood because we never got any conclusions to the old series. At least with Star Trek we got a finale!

RE: Haven. Don't know much about it. From the previews it doesn't look much different than Eureka or Warehouse 13. I recently started watching Warehouse 13 and got into it after watching season 2 (season 1 not so much but 2 hooked me) and recently started watching Eureka. Aside from that, the only scripted show I watch and enjoy on SyFy is Sanctuary. I do find Ghost Hunters interesting but not crazy enough about it that I'd be distraught if they canned it. I hope Blood and Fire is successful but not putting my money on it. I know this, I don't plan on watching any new shows on SyFy (or really any other network) after the treatment they gave Caprica and Stargate Universe. Shouldn't a network that's supposed to be (or was) about sci-fi realize how passionate us sci-fi fans are about our shows and be a little kinder to us? I mean, yes, if a series under performs I don't blame them for canceling it, but if its part of a loved franchise, at least give it a proper conclusion.

Vanek26
May 2nd, 2011, 09:12 PM
Loved this one! Seeing the Command ship come down form the clouds was just :eek:.

And the music when the drones first attacked the Destiny was awesome.

Reminded me of Thor's Chariot, except o**** bad instead of awesome.

Space Gate12
May 2nd, 2011, 09:32 PM
I would very much like a soundtrack to be released. :D

DigiFluid
May 2nd, 2011, 09:42 PM
Oh. My. God.

Another amazing episode. Rot in hell, Syfylis executives.

Shylodog
May 2nd, 2011, 10:09 PM
First off, I really enjoyed the episode. A LOT of great moments. Loved the Pittsburg references with Eli, Greer and James. Had me really giggling.

One part, however, made me scratch my head. But only for a moment. When Scott and Greer were splitting the party up, Scott said something like "Brody, Chloe and you two with me.". I get it, they're red-shirt, no-name civilians that won't get anymore air time ever on SGU. But that line threw me off enough that I had to at least mention it here. They should have been named, and Scott would have had to know what their names were.

But other than that, like I said earlier, a great episode.

DigiFluid
May 2nd, 2011, 10:11 PM
Wouldn't it have been pretty much the most bold thing Stargate ever did if Park had died in this one?

How often does it happen that a likeable, semi-main character protagonist dies in horrifying agony for no particular reason?

Shylodog
May 2nd, 2011, 10:13 PM
Wouldn't it have been pretty much the most bold thing Stargate ever did if Park had died in this one?

How often does it happen that a likeable, semi-main character protagonist dies in horrifying agony for no particular reason?

In the Whedonverse, all the time.

Poor, poor Wash. :(

Filipino
May 2nd, 2011, 10:26 PM
2nd to the last episode. :(

DigiFluid
May 2nd, 2011, 10:29 PM
santuary, being human, haven, blood and chrome, etc.
Jumped the shark in season 2, awesome, has never risen above middling, and will be cancelled before its first season is over.

Sp!der
May 2nd, 2011, 11:53 PM
Jumped the shark in season 2, awesome, has never risen above middling, and will be cancelled before its first season is over.

do you mean blood and chrome?

MattSilver 3k
May 3rd, 2011, 12:04 AM
Wouldn't it have been pretty much the most bold thing Stargate ever did if Park had died in this one?

How often does it happen that a likeable, semi-main character protagonist dies in horrifying agony for no particular reason?

Whedonverse.

Also, I think it would've been cool, but only if the writers knew they weren't getting a season three. Then I know I would've pulled it off. And maybe killed somebody in the finale, like Scott or Young or Greer... Just go out with a bang.

But hey. Coulda shoulda woulda.


do you mean blood and chrome?

Yes Spider, Digi means Blood and Chrome when he says "will be cancelled before its first season is over."

Flibby
May 3rd, 2011, 12:28 AM
do you mean blood and chrome?
Somehow I don't imagine that that's what he's referring to.

Replicator Todd
May 3rd, 2011, 12:31 AM
do you mean blood and chrome?

Yes. I'm pretty sure he does.

DigiFluid
May 3rd, 2011, 12:39 AM
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Sanctuary jumped the shark in season 2, Being Human is awesome, Haven has never risen above middling, and B&C will be cancelled before the end of its first season.

So of the four examples cited of solid shows that they'll have, only one of 'em counts.

KEK
May 3rd, 2011, 01:17 AM
Having seen the original, I can't say I agree that Being Human is awesome :/

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
May 3rd, 2011, 01:33 AM
how did the english language get so jacked up over 2,000 years that they spelled attack ATAK!

Pecisk
May 3rd, 2011, 01:49 AM
I'm really wouldn't glow over chances of B&C - SyFy has lost serious number of space sci-fi viewers trough actions with SG franchise and I'm ready to bet that it will also have 'difficult for casual viewing' content (unless they are ready to rip heart out of BSG universe). Anyway, I think there are three facts we can learn after SGU:
1) People don't like 4 month breaks in the story. It is death knell for serialized content, because unless you are fan, you won't remember exact details of the story after such long time. I mean, break between seasons are 5 months? Wtf?
2) You can't drop completely different SG and hoping that all fans will eat that (especially after promising to keep SGA and then dropping it - I'm ready to bet that SGU and SGA in combo would have survived for sure). No, you have to look for new viewers. SyFy ignored this fact so wholeheartedly that it rose suspicions wasn't that deliberate.
3) Television companies are not interested in challenging projects these days. Profit rules the day. Low expense, comparably high viewership is what defines the field today. I mean - even such old school good ratings stuff like "Bones" gets product placements. Greed? Have to cover crazy year loses? So SGU like shows gotta pay for your mistakes huh?

One thing is sure - that in post SGU world I will watch tv less and less. I will try to buy shows at iTunes and that's it.

Pecisk
May 3rd, 2011, 01:50 AM
And yes, Blockade was excellent. But everyone knew this already, didn't they?

senilegreen
May 3rd, 2011, 02:34 AM
"Blockade" was moderately entertaining for me. A bit too action intensive, as the need to squeeze all that action into 42 minutes got in the way of explaining the story line, such as the details of getting rid of the Novus-ians.

Yes, I do think this episode was a notch more "classic" SG than many episodes in season 1 and about half of the episodes in season 2. That alone garners positives from some of the fans here, but I also think it once again demonstrates the key problem SGU has had in regards to being a television show: trying to entertain contrary audiences. Those who like serious dramas may not want an action flick, and those who want a shoot-em up space battle probably feel bored when serious drama is played out in interpersonal dialogue.

Pretty much any show SyFy puts on Monday night will suffer - in TV-land on Mondays DWTS owns the adult (over 25) crowd and the WWE programming (Tough Enough and RAW) are the usual leaders in the young male audience. So unless SGU had built a massively faithful audience (which would have taken immense dedication on the part of MGM and NBC/U) even more episodes like "Blockade" still wouldn't be enough, IMO, for SGA to have survived on Monday nights.

This episode further convinced me (as if I needed more convincing) that the franchise has grown tired creatively. If MGM ever resurrects the Stargate idea for another series they really do need to find a whole new creative team.

Anyway, back to the episode: I liked that Rush was trying to teach Eli about making hard decisions, as I think the Eli character has been acting too juvenile for too long.

Me being picky: the city they portrayed had been abandoned long enough for there to had been more plants scattered all over the place - given how much the signs etc. had been weathered. Also, are there no animals on this planet? (An unlikely occurrence as plants produce oxygen and the ecosystem would need oxygen consumers.)

senilegreen
May 3rd, 2011, 02:42 AM
how did the english language get so jacked up over 2,000 years that they spelled attack ATAK!

Hehehe, I liked the phonetic equivalent spelling. If we are already going to buy that the duplicate-Destiny crew could have actually built an advanced civilization (and some of you may remember my objections to that proposition), understand that the kinos are audio/visual devices and are not captioned. Also, languages change from generation to generation - remember English was a very dynamic language before the printing press, and only really stabilized as a language with the widespread availability of books and newspapers.

MechaThor
May 3rd, 2011, 02:44 AM
Really awesome episode, can't wait to find out who made the Drones (fingers crossed we will get a name in the last episode, hopefully its not us). If not it will join the club of unanswered Stargate questions.

Overall a great episode, many great lines and moments, beautiful visuals, and a cool story. Love how all the B cast like Volkner, Brody, James and Park now seem to get just as much if not more screentime than the A Cast. Even Varro is becoming a regular main, shame its ending.
Nice to know that the Novas people had made a small space empire for themselves. Why the Novas people did not evacuate to this planet before the volcano I don't know? Guessing maybe they where not on good terms?

One to go, :(

morrismike
May 3rd, 2011, 02:52 AM
lesson to future PTB
Give long time frachise fans what they enjoy, it works.

KEK
May 3rd, 2011, 03:10 AM
The episodes fandom is responding to most are the lowest rated ones, so there's really no indication of that.

knowles2
May 3rd, 2011, 03:30 AM
I love the episode.

The drone ship descending from the skies was awesome. Love the bit about Young getting a new clothes for wray.
James knocking that bloke out was cool, about time she beaten someone up.
Nice mid air explosion of drones.

Feel sorry for Park, but still kinda hoping she has lost her sight permanently for the story stake.

The FX effects was amazing all around.
But I am really think we should seen the Novans leave the ship may be choosing to make a sacriface for the rest of the crew. After all they were struggling to survive on there last colony, how are they going to survive on a brand new planet with potentially even less supplies.

Sometimes I wish we got longer episodes to explore those areas. It would be good seeing the crew spend sometime in orbit helping them set up a new colony.


An the same guys who did the FX are doing a new series called Echoes, if this episode is a taste for what they got planned for that show it going to be awesome.

Starsaber
May 3rd, 2011, 03:32 AM
Wouldn't it have been pretty much the most bold thing Stargate ever did if Park had died in this one?

How often does it happen that a likeable, semi-main character protagonist dies in horrifying agony for no particular reason?

Riley

Lahela
May 3rd, 2011, 03:39 AM
Fantastic ep, but definitely in need of a retwatch.
My biggest SG-squee came when the kino flew through the gate to... Sateda! :D

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/th_sateda.png (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/sateda.png) http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/th_blockade.png (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/blockade.png)

Sue_Jackson
May 3rd, 2011, 04:36 AM
Omigosh! What an awesome episode! That was the most intense episode EVER! I was so scared for Lisa. I seriously thought she was gonna die. Too bad she ended up blind, though. Felt so bad for her. Those drones were pretty scary too. Loved it when Varro blasted one of those drones out of the sky. Love Varro! He's such a cool characer! :) Loved also when James knocked out that annoying guy for giving away their position. Love Eli! He has such caring soul. Loved also when Young, Greer and Scott shot hell out of that drone. Too bad they couldn't bring it back with them to study the technology.

Well...one more episode to go. :( WAAAAAHHHH!!! :danielanime08: I don't want it to end. :sheppardanime32:

The Destiny
May 3rd, 2011, 04:53 AM
Riley

And Ginn

And Perry


Although those 2 came back after 7 episodes.


The episodes fandom is responding to most are the lowest rated ones, so there's really no indication of that.
Strange isn't it? Although in a strange, twisted way you could use that as an indicator of how much seasonhalves were liked :) Ratings went down every season half, as the episodes got better every half season.

SGU's current eps are amazing. Viewers who gave up in season 1 just don't feel drawn to come back to watch, regardless of it's current quality. I think that's why the ratings stagnated this past season.

derrickh
May 3rd, 2011, 04:55 AM
There was a sign on a store that said 'Open 24 hours/7days'.....pulled me right out of the story. That planet had the exact same orbit/rotation/speed as Earth around the sun?

D

The Destiny
May 3rd, 2011, 05:02 AM
There was a sign on a store that said 'Open 24 hours/7days'.....pulled me right out of the story. That planet had the exact same orbit/rotation/speed as Earth around the sun?

D

Maybe it's an ancient figure of speech

Maybe there are more/less minutes in an hour so they get 24 hours total despite the different length of day

ferguson4848
May 3rd, 2011, 06:14 AM
One of the best episodes of SGU and TV in general.

http://www.robotplunger.com/2011/05/now-that-is-good-tv/

themeatcleaver
May 3rd, 2011, 06:27 AM
my dad actually got sucked into this one tonight and he NEVER watches SG. EVER. He was sitting there watching it thinking it was a movie. He didn't believe me when i told him it was SGU lol

LtColCarter
May 3rd, 2011, 06:30 AM
my dad actually got sucked into this one tonight and he NEVER watches SG. EVER. He was sitting there watching it thinking it was a movie. He didn't believe me when i told him it was SGU lol

Hmmm...while I thought it was a good episode...I didn't think it was that good.

themeatcleaver
May 3rd, 2011, 06:39 AM
Hmmm...while I thought it was a good episode...I didn't think it was that good.

Well, he tends to appreciate action more than drama in a scifi show so this episode just grabbed him.

Commander Zelix
May 3rd, 2011, 07:33 AM
Yeah, not exactly thrilled that the Novus refugee storyline just kinda vanished.
SGU always surprised me in the way they quickly drop interesting potential arcs. You could easily have created many storyline or even episode plots (episodic but accumulating stories) about them.

Personally, I like to introduce twist and turns, so I would make the novus people guilty of genocide of another indigenous aliens species (something that would be a surprised). The drones: the defense system of those aliens. Etc. That's just one of the way to built the storylines.

Later on those aliens could be related to the destiny's mission in some manner, etc.

I see many such storylines that could be possible as arc or even episodic (cumulative) plots.

nb: In cumulative I mean that by making an episode about let's say the Wraith, or the Romulans, or the blue aliens, you always learn something about them, the evolution of the war and relations, etc.

Commander Zelix
May 3rd, 2011, 07:45 AM
Wouldn't it have been pretty much the most bold thing Stargate ever did if Park had died in this one?

How often does it happen that a likeable, semi-main character protagonist dies in horrifying agony for no particular reason?
Bah it happens often. The bold thing is turning her permanently blind. Now that's something more interesting, more bold. Great drama. Kudos to the writers if they don't drop that storyline in the next episode.

jelgate
May 3rd, 2011, 08:22 AM
SGU always surprised me in the way they quickly drop interesting potential arcs. You could easily have created many storyline or even episode plots (episodic but accumulating stories) about them.

Personally, I like to introduce twist and turns, so I would make the novus people guilty of genocide of another indigenous aliens species (something that would be a surprised). The drones: the defense system of those aliens. Etc. That's just one of the way to built the storylines.

Later on those aliens could be related to the destiny's mission in some manner, etc.

I see many such storylines that could be possible as arc or even episodic (cumulative) plots.

nb: In cumulative I mean that by making an episode about let's say the Wraith, or the Romulans, or the blue aliens, you always learn something about them, the evolution of the war and relations, etc.

Thier was nothing to drop. The arc seemed finished. They found out what happened to the Novians and took them to meet their people. Do we really need to seem the Novians dropped at some random planet.

The Swarm
May 3rd, 2011, 08:27 AM
SGU always surprised me in the way they quickly drop interesting potential arcs. You could easily have created many storyline or even episode plots (episodic but accumulating stories) about them.

Personally, I like to introduce twist and turns, so I would make the novus people guilty of genocide of another indigenous aliens species (something that would be a surprised). The drones: the defense system of those aliens. Etc. That's just one of the way to built the storylines.

Later on those aliens could be related to the destiny's mission in some manner, etc.

I see many such storylines that could be possible as arc or even episodic (cumulative) plots.

nb: In cumulative I mean that by making an episode about let's say the Wraith, or the Romulans, or the blue aliens, you always learn something about them, the evolution of the war and relations, etc.

They didnt realy drop that plot line...the Novus people were scatered throught the galaxy, they are bound to run by another group in season 3.


Oh wait.

Commander Zelix
May 3rd, 2011, 08:49 AM
They didnt realy drop that plot line...the Novus people were scatered throught the galaxy, they are bound to run by another group in season 3.

Since they only have sub light technology it would have been highly unlikely (as the Destiny travel at above speed of light).

Skiznot
May 3rd, 2011, 08:55 AM
Since they only have sub light technology it would have been highly unlikely (as the Destiny travel at above speed of light).

One word: Stargates

Skiznot
May 3rd, 2011, 09:00 AM
Very happy with the episode. Second half of season 2 has really made me happy and it's really representative of what we will be missing when it's gone. The show just continues to grow. Seeing the dome get destroyed was heart wrenching after it took them so long to build up that garden and Park being stuck in there was the most terrifying moment I've ever seen in a SG show. I give it a 9 but just because SGU maintains such a high bar.

Captain Mariah
May 3rd, 2011, 09:14 AM
This makes me so sad, SGU is the best show I have ever seen and now they go and cancel it. Why? It doesn't make sense.

I really loved this episode, it had some great pace and was really entertaining. I have to say its a real shame about the garden, but it was a great scene with Park trying to save some of it. I just hope she is okay after that experience.

These droids are an interesting plot move. I wonder where they come from and how it will continue. Though I not sure I like the idea of ending SGU with these droids. I personally would have liked something more fitting, like finding out Destinys mission, the origin of that secret message in the background radiation.

I am going to say it again. Please don't end SGU,.. continue.

Flibby
May 3rd, 2011, 09:56 AM
how did the english language get so jacked up over 2,000 years that they spelled attack ATAK!
They got rid of redundancy, which I think might be a good thing, I think.

LtColCarter
May 3rd, 2011, 10:00 AM
They got rid of redundancy, which I think might be a good thing, I think.

Its all the text messages...yeah...yeah...that's it!

Flibby
May 3rd, 2011, 10:10 AM
Sometimes I wish we got longer episodes to explore those areas. It would be good seeing the crew spend sometime in orbit helping them set up a new colony.

There's a good chance that there will already people on that colony.

kudra
May 3rd, 2011, 10:25 AM
They didnt realy drop that plot line...the Novus people were scatered throught the galaxy, they are bound to run by another group in season 3.


Oh wait.

Yep it's a real shame we wont get to see this explored in Season 3. The writers actually came up with a plausible way to have the Destiny crew come across human / English speaking societies on the other side of the universe.

This was another great episode. I loved the suspense over Park and the sense of the crew working together.

The Rush / Eli dynamic was interesting
Rush is starting to accept that Eli wants to be treated as more of an equal, he asked him how they should proceed and got him to volunteer to take the lead role (admittedly because he knew Eli would be the better choice), encouraged him when he was losing confidence and in his praise of Eli to Young at the end he seemed genuinely proud of his protege.

I think he does want Eli to step up and achieve his potential even if Eli doesn't always appraciate his teaching methods. Hard to say if Rush is doing it more because he thinks Eli is an amazing resource or if he actually cares for him. I reckon it's a mix of both but Rush may have begun to care more than he would want to admit, a bit like with Chloe.

The contrast to that was Eli's attitude to Rush when Park was trapped. Eli was directing all his anger at a horrible situation towards Rush and in my opinion it made him seem a bit immature. I know Rush's lack of bedside manner rubs people the wrong way but Eli knew he didn't cause the problem (this time) and that what Rush was saying made sense. Seems he still needs Rush around to make those hard choices.

It's so sad we wont get another season to see where this relationship would go.

knowles2
May 3rd, 2011, 10:27 AM
There's a good chance that there will already people on that colony.

Then they should have shown them to us. Because all we were told last episode was there ships were heading to a new colony. Not that there was a colony there. Plus I alway thought it was the same

The was no info whether there was colony already there and of cause there was info on whether that colony could deal with unexpected arrival of 300 hundred new mouths to feed and water.

An of cause TJ disease, I can expect one colony not to have cure but two. An presuming if the Novans expect that the new colony would be able to cope with tens of millions of people it would be a well established colony to say the least.

To me they seem to have cut off a story arch with no ending, which is a shame. An also it would been nice to see if any crew would stay with the Novans or Novans stay with Destiny.

An also they seem to have completely ignore the that there descendent's are vulnerable to the drones. Which have already wiped out one colony.

Kilgharrah
May 3rd, 2011, 11:05 AM
I didn't really like that episode. It was not bad, but still not good enough. I feel like it has no meaning. The only parts that were interesting were exploration of the planet. Good to see more civilizations. The other was when Parks was in trouble.

It's not convincing that every time they're in trouble, they depend on luck and they make it. When they were worried about tearing the ship apart if they used the FTL, they tried it and they made it. Same here, the ship wasn't destroyed. This isn't logical at all. I'm tired of it. Why don't they make Destiny get destroyed and continue the mission any other way. The show isn't called stargate: Destiny. It's stargate: Universe. Exploring the universe could be done in other ways. Just make it convincing.

I was also wondering, why did the Destiny stargate move after people went to the planet? The movement between the closing of the gate and the activation of those coolers.

eonflux
May 3rd, 2011, 11:20 AM
Nice ep.

A few things bother me:
- What happened to the Novans that where on the ship? They just dropped them off?
- And you are telling me that a ancients have precautions for everything except visors? Eighter that or they have a natural resistance against bright lights.

Commander Zelix
May 3rd, 2011, 11:32 AM
Nice ep.

A few things bother me:
- What happened to the Novans that where on the ship? They just dropped them off?

Yep. It was mentionned by Eli and Rush when they had a conversation about the documentary footage Eli was watching at the beginning of the episode.



- And you are telling me that a ancients have precautions for everything except visors? Eighter that or they have a natural resistance against bright lights.
It seems Park was using the suits in a conditions not-approved by the manufacturer . It makes sense that the visors (and human eyes) could be less insulating due to the need for transparency, thus they are made in another material.

LtColCarter
May 3rd, 2011, 11:34 AM
Nice ep.

A few things bother me:
- What happened to the Novans that where on the ship? They just dropped them off?
- And you are telling me that a ancients have precautions for everything except visors? Either that or they have a natural resistance against bright lights.

I was thinking the same things....

Starsaber
May 3rd, 2011, 12:01 PM
The contrast to that was Eli's attitude to Rush when Park was trapped. Eli was directing all his anger at a horrible situation towards Rush and in my opinion it made him seem a bit immature. I know Rush's lack of bedside manner rubs people the wrong way but Eli knew he didn't cause the problem (this time) and that what Rush was saying made sense.

He's probably still pissed at Rush over the Perry/Ginn situation from Seizure. I don't think that makes it right, but it could be a contributing factor. I don't blame Rush for what happened there (I blame Perry), but Eli clearly did.

Demoniser
May 3rd, 2011, 12:28 PM
It really does happen often. TPTB have never been hesistant to kill off secondary characters that are likeable and have never set a foot wrong.

SPOILERS
Skaara, Sha'are, Martouf, Lt Elliot, Col Pendergast, Col Emerson, Narim, Kawalsky, Fraiser, Grodin just to name a few. I'm sure theres more.

---------------------------------------------------

I really liked this episode, and it really is the sort of episode that the series could have done with to start with. While the decision to have a very slow buildup in the first season may have worked for story reasons, it didn't really work out to well in the realm of entertainment.

It's a shame the show is ending, as it has gotten much better towards the latter half of the second season, not mind blowing, but definitely worthy of being renewed. Hindsight is a pain.

- Loved the visuals for the Star, really really nice.

- Why does nobody listen to Rush? He's a complete jerk, annoying, condescending, has a god complex but 99% of the time he's right. Park was an idiot to stay longer than she should have. Simple as. Get your priorities staight.

- I loved the whole sequence with Park stuck in the dome though, really tense stuff. That must have been some scary stuff. Stuck in your own personal oven with the possibility of either being completely burnt to a crisp or sucked out into a star. Scary.

- Liked the whole Novus colony, i wonder where that was filmed.

- The command ship breaking through the clouds was very cool, very familiar to those first shots of the Beliskner arriving on Cimmeria.

- The dialogue between Rush and Eli was great. I love how Rush is trying to teach El how to take responsibility. It's very subtle. it's like Rush is the parent thats finally letting his son drive the car without supervision. Rush isn't there to hold his hand anymore.

Homer 120
May 3rd, 2011, 01:01 PM
Wow just.... WOW! I have never been so blown away by any VFX on Stargate before, while the VFX have been outstanding on SGU this one takes them to a whole new level of awsomeness. Faves were:

1) Destiny entering the Blue Giant
2) Destiny IN the Blue Giant, shields distorting etc
3) The dome room scene with Park as the dome gives way

Congrats to Mark and the others in charge of the VFXS!

Loved everything about this episode, ''Blockade'' was written by Linda one of the new writers and is easily on my top ten list of SGU eps.

knowles2
May 3rd, 2011, 01:04 PM
Taken from the Echoes mini question and answer question on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=194088173969305&id=190553047656151
I am thinking it was filmed in the set specially built for the Watchman movie, I may be wrong through.

wolpertinger
May 3rd, 2011, 01:44 PM
Maybe it's an ancient figure of speech

Maybe there are more/less minutes in an hour so they get 24 hours total despite the different length of day

Well apart from the duration of a day and year all other forms of timekeeping are pretty much arbitrary. I think it is not too crazy to assume that at some point they would have just divided a Novan day into 24 hours for the sake of simplicity. Especially since habital planets are more or less bound to have day lengths that are similar to ours

dvdrts
May 3rd, 2011, 02:04 PM
- Liked the whole Novus colony, i wonder where that was filmed.

Pittsburgh?;)

Naonak
May 3rd, 2011, 02:19 PM
lesson to future PTB
Give long time frachise fans what they enjoy, it works.
:rolleyes:

General Jumper One
May 3rd, 2011, 02:55 PM
- Liked the whole Novus colony, i wonder where that was filmed.

East Vancouver I think

Galileo_Galilee
May 3rd, 2011, 04:56 PM
Well, this does show one thing about the drones. It's not about the technology, it's about the people. Because if the drones were about the technology, they simply wouldn't be on the planet anymore because the level of technology is not very high. And when they "knew" the teams were hiding, they simply would not leave. So I don't think it's about the technology, it has something to do with the people.

But what it is and why, I have no clue.

I hope they resolve the drones in the final episode at least.

Just six more days to go.

garhkal
May 3rd, 2011, 07:21 PM
Am I right in understanding that the Novus refugees just went to random planets rather then have the ship take them to the location of where most of the other Novus people gated too?

Perhaps there was a closer planet which DID have other refugees on. BUT i hope they were warned to get rid of tech/stop using it.


Loved this one! Seeing the Command ship come down form the clouds was just :eek:.

And the music when the drones first attacked the Destiny was awesome.

I made a new thread on that command ship, as it was so close to my remembering of the Belinsker coming down in Thor's chariot, right up to and including the sound effects..



The Eli v. Rush dynamic reached a new level, and Park's near-death was SO powerful.


I wash shocked to heck that rush not only
A) Recomended Eli for the stay behind group, as well as Volunteered himself.
but B) Gave eli props at the end (even if he told young to not tell eli)
but also C) Told eli practically to take charge..



Camille: I'd kill for a new outfit.

When the group was walking around and we saw all those shops/houses with curtains in, i felt they should be grabbing as many as they can. Those could have been Easily made into new clothing.


It has to warm up first. A metal bowl half full of water and placed inside a 300F will resist boiling for a long time.

And as we DID see, the water was starting to boil when we next saw Parks in it..


The writers seem to be making a point this season. If you don't listen to Rush then you will get ****ed up. Rush told Park to stay put & not move & what she does ends up getting her blind

It does kind of have that feel at times.. Rush is all wise, listen at obey, or ignore at your peril!



Why don't these space suits have some sort of visor though?....that part bugs me. It should have some sort of automatic visor, no?

I thought of that myself, and even opened a new thread for that subject..


All it would take is looking forward and then glancing up. The good news is that not unlike glancing at a welding arc the spots will disappear after a while. She will most likely be fine.

True. One of my current Communicators did get a weeks blindness a few years back from stupidly watching welding without goggles on.. He got a nasty remark in his Eval for being unsafe, but was alright after a week.


syfy will have tons of good programing.

Like what?? More reality 'spooky' shows like ghost hunters?


santuary, being human, haven, blood and chrome, etc.

Being Sanctuary has moved to monday, it makes me wonder did the PTB give it the same death knell they gave SGU. Haven, don't watch. Same as being human (could not get into it). Blood and chrome has not yet come out so can't say.



One part, however, made me scratch my head. But only for a moment. When Scott and Greer were splitting the party up, Scott said something like "Brody, Chloe and you two with me.". I get it, they're red-shirt, no-name civilians that won't get anymore air time ever on SGU. But that line threw me off enough that I had to at least mention it here. They should have been named, and Scott would have had to know what their names were.

It does make you wonder, why they would not even just give first names (jacob and mark lets say) to them for that purpose.. No need to flesh them out any more than that..


If MGM ever resurrects the Stargate idea for another series they really do need to find a whole new creative team.


As well as stop SyFy from getting their grubby hands on it.



Anyway, back to the episode: I liked that Rush was trying to teach Eli about making hard decisions, as I think the Eli character has been acting too juvenile for too long.


And it was awesome seeing both him and young trust in Eli's abilities to let him do it.


Bah it happens often. The bold thing is turning her permanently blind. Now that's something more interesting, more bold. Great drama. Kudos to the writers if they don't drop that storyline in the next episode.

It would be interesting to see if they leave her blind or make it curable.. Heck perhaps their med bay has something that can fix it.


Seeing the dome get destroyed was heart wrenching after it took them so long to build up that garden

It imo was almost Metaphoric for the entire show.. Slowly build up, then everything gets pulled out from under you (cancelled)..



The Rush / Eli dynamic was interesting
Rush is starting to accept that Eli wants to be treated as more of an equal, he asked him how they should proceed and got him to volunteer to take the lead role (admittedly because he knew Eli would be the better choice), encouraged him when he was losing confidence and in his praise of Eli to Young at the end he seemed genuinely proud of his protege.


Rush had a good reason to be proud.. but it was a shocker seeing him say it so matter of factly to Young.



I think he does want Eli to step up and achieve his potential even if Eli doesn't always appraciate his teaching methods. Hard to say if Rush is doing it more because he thinks Eli is an amazing resource or if he actually cares for him. I reckon it's a mix of both but Rush may have begun to care more than he would want to admit, a bit like with Chloe.


Perhaps cause he wonders if Eli could be another "Rush" in the making..



The contrast to that was Eli's attitude to Rush when Park was trapped. Eli was directing all his anger at a horrible situation towards Rush and in my opinion it made him seem a bit immature. I know Rush's lack of bedside manner rubs people the wrong way but Eli knew he didn't cause the problem (this time) and that what Rush was saying made sense. Seems he still needs Rush around to make those hard choices.


It was sad to see Eli push the anger onto Rush, when Parks was the one who made the stupid choice..


It really does happen often. TPTB have never been hesistant to kill off secondary characters that are likeable and have never set a foot wrong.

SPOILERS
Skaara, Sha'are, Martouf, Lt Elliot, Col Pendergast, Col Emerson, Narim, Kawalsky, Fraiser, Grodin just to name a few. I'm sure theres more.

Don't forget that scientist/quack on atlantis, Riley.


- Why does nobody listen to Rush? He's a complete jerk, annoying, condescending, has a god complex but 99% of the time he's right. Park was an idiot to stay longer than she should have. Simple as. Get your priorities staight.

perhaps its CAUSE of his brashness/lack of tact they don't want to.. I know some are that way with me.



- The dialogue between Rush and Eli was great. I love how Rush is trying to teach El how to take responsibility. It's very subtle. it's like Rush is the parent thats finally letting his son drive the car without supervision. Rush isn't there to hold his hand anymore.

And it was interesting to see how 'scared' eli seemed haven't to Take that responsibility on.. Perhaps he still has not gotten over the "twin Destinies" issue.

Krisz
May 3rd, 2011, 08:09 PM
Taken from the Echoes mini question and answer question on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=194088173969305&id=190553047656151
I am thinking it was filmed in the set specially built for the Watchman movie, I may be wrong through.

I believe you are right, I recognised the streets from Supernatural, the streets looked very much like ones in the pictures for season 5 episode 4 here, just scroll down....

http://www.supernaturallocations.com/season5locationslist.htm

Unfortunately it's a place you can't get in to see, like Bordertown, another set built for a TV series used in Stargate and other shows, it's on private property.

LordRush
May 3rd, 2011, 08:14 PM
Everything was good the only thing that bugged me and I see many others is the visor situation. I mean deep space exploration, bright stars, radiation, gamma rays, x rays, red dwarfs, yellow dwarfs, pulsars, etc. The EVA suit seems advanced enough to come equipped with everything for your protection, you would think with a push of a button it would activate some kind of UV/Light Spectrum reflector or protector.

Beastking50
May 4th, 2011, 01:28 AM
So is destiny back to 100 percent full power? If she is, then she can stay in FTL for much longer or if she fights all the fire power will be maxed out. Remember they only recharged to 40 percent but Lt. Said they got a full tank of.gas...

LtColCarter
May 4th, 2011, 03:41 AM
Everything was good the only thing that bugged me and I see many others is the visor situation. I mean deep space exploration, bright stars, radiation, gamma rays, x rays, red dwarfs, yellow dwarfs, pulsars, etc. The EVA suit seems advanced enough to come equipped with everything for your protection, you would think with a push of a button it would activate some kind of UV/Light Spectrum reflector or protector.

I agree...even current EVA suits have a protective visor.

LtColCarter
May 4th, 2011, 03:41 AM
So is destiny back to 100 percent full power? If she is, then she can stay in FTL for much longer or if she fights all the fire power will be maxed out. Remember they only recharged to 40 percent but Lt. Said they got a full tank of.gas...

Yes...they are 100% of 40% full! ;)

The Destiny
May 4th, 2011, 04:00 AM
I agree...even current EVA suits have a protective visor.

Would they be able to handle this though?

Retro_Invasion
May 4th, 2011, 08:43 AM
Very SG1-like episode. Loved the mid-twentieth century look of the city and the phonetic english spelling.

Did anyone else think this was going to be a zombie episode?

Galileo_Galilee
May 4th, 2011, 09:37 AM
It shows that they are still not fully familiar with the ship and the suits. If there is a visor on the suit, they simply haven't found the right button for it.

garhkal
May 4th, 2011, 03:14 PM
So is destiny back to 100 percent full power? If she is, then she can stay in FTL for much longer or if she fights all the fire power will be maxed out. Remember they only recharged to 40 percent but Lt. Said they got a full tank of.gas...

Nope/. we can only recharge up to 40% of max.. but we were at the time, down to 40% of that level which would be 16% of max.

ns2
May 4th, 2011, 04:05 PM
It shows that they are still not fully familiar with the ship and the suits. If there is a visor on the suit, they simply haven't found the right button for it.

if the had visors I'm pretty sure she would have found them cause she said she was the expert on the suit

The blindness was also caused by the explosion at that time she was holding on to the bags so she might not have had the time to turn it on

General Jumper One
May 4th, 2011, 04:10 PM
if the had visors I'm pretty sure she would have found them cause she said she was the expert on the suit

The blindness was also caused by the explosion at that time she was holding on to the bags so she might not have had the time to turn it on

I don't remember any explosion on the ship, just the glass breaking

Shylodog
May 4th, 2011, 06:53 PM
I think ns2 was referring to the explosive decompression of the dome.

the fifth man
May 4th, 2011, 08:33 PM
This was a very good episode. Good story, and visually stunning at times. It really sucks knowing that we only have one episode left now.

BadOnion
May 4th, 2011, 08:34 PM
I thought this was the worst episode in quite a while. Just dropping off all those descendants off screen and barely mentioning them was unforgivable. The stuff on the planet was kind of pointless, and the stuff in the botanics bay was pretty scientifically inaccurate. I hope the finale is better than this.

FrodoFraggins
May 4th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Just dropping off all those descendants off screen and barely mentioning them was unforgivable.

It's crappy, but it's par for the course for the Stargate franchise. The content of the two parter wasn't part of overall story arc, it was just a longer standalone episode.

Sham
May 5th, 2011, 01:28 AM
Yeah, not exactly thrilled that the Novus refugee storyline just kinda vanished.

I agree!


This was a very good episode. Good story, and visually stunning at times. It really sucks knowing that we only have one episode left now.

What are we to [email protected]# I'm pissed off at the thought..! Fair enough SG-1 finished, SGA still had potential...and now SGU >:(

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 10:53 AM
Fantastic ep, but definitely in need of a retwatch.
My biggest SG-squee came when the kino flew through the gate to... Sateda! :D

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/th_sateda.png (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/sateda.png) http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/th_blockade.png (http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/lahela_sga/blockade.png)

Not seeing it :confused:

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 11:43 AM
Not seeing it :confused:

It's the same set, different angles. It was also used in the TV show "Sliders".

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 11:47 AM
Doesn't look like it to me. I can see the obvious architectural similarities, so it was probably shot in the same neighbourhood, maybe even the same block. But they don't look like they're the exact same place.

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 11:51 AM
Doesn't look like it to me. I can see the obvious architectural similarities, so it was probably shot in the same neighbourhood, maybe even the same block. But they don't look like they're the exact same place.

They are. But it's ok if you don't see it. That's the magic of TV for ya! :D

Here's a comparison w/ some hints:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w100/shylodog/Comparison.jpg

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 11:58 AM
I still don't think so, but maybe I'm just looking at it from the wrong angle. The similarity is supposed to be on the right side of the picture right? The wall with the 'wood' thing around the door?

So look at the Sateda picture. There's another red door right next to the 'wood' door. Now look at the Pittsburgh picture. Where did the white wall between the two doors come from?

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 12:19 PM
I still don't think so, but maybe I'm just looking at it from the wrong angle. The similarity is supposed to be on the right side of the picture right? The wall with the 'wood' thing around the door?

So look at the Sateda picture. There's another red door right next to the 'wood' door. Now look at the Pittsburgh picture. Where did the white wall between the two doors come from?

I edited my post with a comparison picture, but the big "reddish/rusty wall" is on rollers at the top. In the Sateda pic, it's covering the white wall.

And just for fun...
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w100/shylodog/Comparison1.jpg

It's all about angles and lighting. :D

garhkal
May 6th, 2011, 01:40 PM
I still don't think so, but maybe I'm just looking at it from the wrong angle. The similarity is supposed to be on the right side of the picture right? The wall with the 'wood' thing around the door?

So look at the Sateda picture. There's another red door right next to the 'wood' door. Now look at the Pittsburgh picture. Where did the white wall between the two doors come from?

Along with that railing on the left side..

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 01:55 PM
Along with that railing on the left side..

Removable. It is the same set. :P

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 02:33 PM
Eh. Still not buying it. It's close, I'll absolutely give you that. Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was shot very nearby to where that Sateda bit was shot. But that episode was nearly five years ago now. Unless it's been in regular use by something else since then, there'd be no reason for a set like that to be still standing. And if, as it seems, that's on-location, there are a few too many significant changes for it to be a simple redress.

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Eh. Still not buying it. It's close, I'll absolutely give you that. Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was shot very nearby to where that Sateda bit was shot. But that episode was nearly five years ago now. Unless it's been in regular use by something else since then, there'd be no reason for a set like that to be still standing. And if, as it seems, that's on-location, there are a few too many significant changes for it to be a simple redress.

Dude. Seriously?!? Did you not look at the last screenshot I took with the area behind Ronan's head? Now you're just being obstinant. Universal Studios still has the Clock Tower set for BttF still standing, and that was 26 years ago. Heck, Universal still has the original Psycho house still standing, and that was 51 years ago.

And while I keep calling it a "set", it's actually called a "lot", which means it wouldn't be torn down, just redressed as needed.

General Jumper One
May 6th, 2011, 02:41 PM
It looks exactly like the same set to me.

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Dude. Seriously?!? Did you not look at the last screenshot I took with the area behind Ronan's head? Now you're just being obstinant. Universal Studios still has the Clock Tower set for BttF still standing, and that was 26 years ago. Heck, Universal still has the original Psycho house still standing, and that was 51 years ago.

And while I keep calling it a "set", it's actually called a "lot", which means it wouldn't be torn down, just redressed as needed.
I looked at your screenie behind Ronon's head. I don't even know what it's supposed to be, much less compare :S

I'm not being obstinate here, I just don't see it. As I said: similarities? Certainly! But solid proof they're the same? Heck no! Did they just destroy the level concrete part in front of the 'wood' door? That'd be a hell of a lot of work for a redress! Did they brick in the two windows above the garage door and replace them with one single window in the middle? The garage door appears to be both sunken into the building structure and at the bottom of a decline in Sateda, where in Pittsburgh it's flush with the building and on level ground!

I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

And as to those movies--those are iconic movies. Much as I like Stargate, it's just a TV show with a niche audience. Hardly the same thing as cinematic classics like Psycho and BTTF.

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Here you go, it's small enough that I don't have to hide it, methinks:
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w100/shylodog/Comparison2.jpg

It's a sign, affixed to the backside of the building behind Ronan. It's in the EXACT same location on the building on Terminus. Everything else you've mentioned is fascades. They are movable and can cover recessed areas.

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Look at the full-size pictures that Lahela posted. Those aren't at the exact same spot at all, and don't even look alike. The Sateda picture shows a building in the background (which by the way, isn't there in the Terminus shot) and the oval shape's wall mount showing daylight shining through from behind. The sign on Terminus has its oval shape built right into the structure of the sign itself.

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 03:16 PM
Look at the full-size pictures that Lahela posted. Those aren't at the exact same spot at all, and don't even look alike. The Sateda picture shows a building in the background (which by the way, isn't there in the Terminus shot) and the oval shape's wall mount showing daylight shining through from behind. The sign on Terminus has its oval shape built right into the structure of the sign itself.

OMG. You're hopeless. Seriously. First off, you assume that ANY of that is actual wood/concrete/steel and it cannot be moved or removed. I've shown you specifically where the rusted "door" portion of the set could be moved, and I've taken the time to litereally show you the exact same sign that is affixed in the exact same spot on the building and you're still denying it. You're either a troll, or you really don't get it. I'll go with you not getting it, but it cannot be any more obvious.

Initially, I just wanted to me helpful and explain. Then I started getting my boxers in a twist putting more time and effort into the explaination. Now, I realize you just don't get it, nor do you want to. It's all cool.

Chess/Checkers.... yet again.

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 03:19 PM
Eh mate, you're the one making the assertion here, not me. Don't get your shorts in a wad because I don't believe it, and point out flaws in the idea. Especially when you're the one who's taking it upon yourself to keep moving the goalposts and claim that every difference can be explained.

I don't believe it, you do. Until someone in authority says so or we see a video on set, may as well just leave it at that.

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 03:24 PM
I don't believe it, you do. Until someone in authority says so or we see a video on set, may as well just leave it at that.

Which is exactly what I'm doing.

Lahela
May 6th, 2011, 09:41 PM
I don't believe it, you do. Until someone in authority says so or we see a video on set, may as well just leave it at that.

I've asked Joe Mallozzi on his blog, so with a bit of luck we'll get a definitive answer. :)

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 09:58 PM
I've asked Joe Mallozzi on his blog, so with a bit of luck we'll get a definitive answer. :)

I sent an email to a location company in Vancouver before I realized nothing short of a mention in the commentary track of the DVD would do for Digi.

Initially it felt like telling some one a bee sting hurts, and they were just denying it until a doctor comes and tells them so. Sometimes some folks refuse to believe what others tell them, even if it's as plain as the nose on their face. I just gave up and will agree that he just doesn't get it.

DigiFluid
May 6th, 2011, 10:04 PM
I've asked Joe Mallozzi on his blog, so with a bit of luck we'll get a definitive answer. :)
Cheers, I await the answer one way or another :)


I sent an email to a location company in Vancouver before I realized nothing short of a mention in the commentary track of the DVD would do for Digi.

Initially it felt like telling some one a bee sting hurts, and they were just denying it until a doctor comes and tells them so. Sometimes some folks refuse to believe what others tell them, even if it's as plain as the nose on their face. I just gave up and will agree that he just doesn't get it.
Yeah, you present flimsy speculative 'evidence' that could go either way, and I'm the bad guy for it :rolleyes:

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 10:13 PM
Yeah, you present flimsy speculative 'evidence' that could go either way, and I'm the bad guy for it :rolleyes:

I never said you were a bad guy. YOU said you don't see what everyone else has. My evidence isn't flimsy, it's rock solid. You just choose (or are unable) to see it, and for the life of me I cannot understand why. But hey, it's not like I'm losing sleep over it. I'm not trying to prove a point, I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to help you see it.

Shylodog
May 6th, 2011, 10:25 PM
And let me add this - you can take it or leave it...

My wife, who despises Science Fiction and has never watched any Stargate with me ever, was presented both unedited pictures and stated that both were the same location. She went so far as to point out approximately where the camera was placed (for the shot of Ronan) in the Universe picture and how high she thought it would be given Ronan's height.

Photography was her minor in college, so she was very quick to pick it up with no explanation as to why I was showing her the pictures.

My parallel explanation as to your denial wasn't meant to belittle you. It was simply the quickest analogy I could come up with.

Kilgharrah
May 7th, 2011, 08:27 AM
seriously, guys?

Captain James
May 8th, 2011, 12:20 PM
I Love this episode!

I also will miss this show.

Sp!der
May 9th, 2011, 10:49 AM
I loved it as well, SG:U is going surely out with a bang!

Lahela
May 12th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Cheers, I await the answer one way or another :)


Joe Mallozzi says

I’ll have to double-check but I believe so.

DigiFluid
May 12th, 2011, 10:47 PM
Cool, thanks for looking into clearing it up!

Lahela
May 12th, 2011, 10:48 PM
No problem :)

Matt G
June 8th, 2011, 02:25 PM
1. There's a drone drone here...and a drone drone there...here a drone, there a drone...

2. The Rush-Eli dynamic is interesting...Eli's the character I most relate to and Rush is a guy that in his worst moments reminds me of one of the scummiest individuals I've ever known, yet the pair of them have developed something resembling mutual respect(even if possibly through gritted teeth).

3. This planet wasn't a bad effort by the Novans, pity it got toasted.

4. Park can't see...ugh...

Very interesting set up for the finale...wish there was more to the show left than this...

garhkal
June 8th, 2011, 04:01 PM
The thing that makes me wonder about the whole Rush/Eli thing, is was they trynig to set it uo to where rush can "die off" and they still have someone to fill his shoes (eli)?

LtColCarter
June 9th, 2011, 01:34 PM
1. There's a drone drone here...and a drone drone there...here a drone, there a drone...

Everywhere a drone, drone?

:lol:

General Jumper One
June 9th, 2011, 02:03 PM
Monkey see, Monkey do, same goes for drones...

LT. COL. John Sheppard
January 26th, 2012, 01:58 AM
this was the FUNNIEST EP of SGU ever and dare i say one of the funniest eps of Stargate ever

maneth
February 20th, 2012, 08:18 AM
Cool ep yeah, but I can't claim to have laughed...

LT. COL. John Sheppard
February 25th, 2012, 08:48 PM
Cool ep yeah, but I can't claim to have laughed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fF-GsupYQ

Krisz
May 12th, 2012, 08:11 PM
I was reading the discussion further back in the thread about the location as the Kino wanders around and the crew arrive. It bugged me too as to where exactly it was filmed.

I went on the Creation Location Tour a couple of weeks ago and we visited 'Terminal City' with Lynn Smith SG-1's location manager as our guide. It was the place where 'Seteda' was filmed and I asked to make sure. On seeing the location I thought it looked familiar on that shot of the Kino wandering around and where Young and the others walked past. It is the same.


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You can see from this photo how the use of lighting, filming angles and just dressing up the structures can make it look different, but standing there and seeing it for myself confirmed to me that it was the same location. That door was on runners and you can see it was partly open when we were there to let us wander into the warehouse so you can see the white wall that is shown in the 'Blockade' shot as the door was closed in 'Blockade'. In 'Seteda' the same door was open all the way, covering the white wall and filmed tighter so you couldn't see the opening to the warehouse.

Also they attached the 'Tavern' sign onto that metal structure behind my head in 'Blockade'.

I am no longer bugged! :P

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
December 27th, 2012, 03:40 PM
Holy crap, this was a good episode. The ending (well, near ending), when the Command Ship was descending down, reminded me of end of Thor's Chariot.

The Visual effects were damn amazing in this one (when isn't it). And Joel's score was just awesome, especially during the space-based scenes. Reason #6546 I'm eagerly awaiting the release of the Franchise Soundtracks.

Poor Park.

Tomorrow, the finale to everything (Franchise, Series, SGRewatch) :(. How will we deal with these drones?

ZRFTS
December 28th, 2012, 01:45 PM
The episode after "Epilogue" is disappointing, we get a breakthrough and some steps are taken back? It's still a good episode regardless because of many things; the exploration of the Novan people, the increased threat of the Drones (which made me appreciate them because of the challenge they pose) and Destiny recharging inside of a son.

First off, the plot with Eli and Rush is fantastic; these two have sort of a twisted chemistry that just effortlessly works for them. The attempts to converse end with nothing resembling closure or even consistency and the various emotions and outbursts that they utilize are somehow fun, it's like the odd couple, except they're trying to survive and those emotions, those interactions build up to some form of payoff where they manage to find a common ground and brace the storm; and what's good about that is that this isn't permanent, there's still some animosity between them but this is what the show is now all about, getting somewhere.

It's a shame what happened to Dr. Park, one second your fine the other your in a sweltering desert being flash blinded all while your food goes away in the dust. She was a nice fellow, always around willing to help, always contributing to the mission at hand, getting close to a certain someone and it provides another good part; the fact that things are getting toughter for them while at the same time influencing them emotionally. It just grabs the immediacy of survival, the ever increasing value of materials and the scarcity of finding such materials, it's such a reversal from past Stargates where they had everything at their disposal (a slight exception is Atlantis before "The Return".) a dark, gritty, realistic look at human nature that I'm sure could of been explored had the showed go on.

It also grabs the human nature aspect of it, caring, saving her even though it's impossible. Who knows why Eli wants to go down there and save her, maybe it's because she's a friend, maybe because she's important but the fact that he disregards all of the risks to save her shows the value in her life, shows what us humans are capable of in forms of compassion. And it also asks another question, just because we don't run to the rescue, does this mean that we're not good human beings? Rush is there standing trying to make sure everything goes okay and smooth and he isn't showing any emotion. That closed-minded nature certainly earns some negativity towards Eli, something that pecks at the mind even though it shouldn't and it is that nature which proves so intriguing; what is Rush thinking, is he feeling something, does he feel like this is his right choice? Just one of those times that prove that even though Rush has lost his sinister side, he can still provide moments like this.

The other plot however goes mostly nowhere; while I liked the fact that they explored the city, much of it was just that; exploring the city. They don't utilize the city in order to provide some emotional/character content, a platform of which they could relate to their lives or provide social commentary or even have an emotional moment of romance or passion. As I quote from my review, "I feel like instead of the city being used as a sort of one-off for the crew to explore, it could of been used as a reflection of humanity, of what's going on in the Destiny." It is this lack of exploration that underwhelms Universe. It does pick up near the end when the drones attack, it allowed the team to showcase their military knowledge and teamwork aspects while also providing the action SG fans love; I love it when they work as a team, judging the situation, taking every sight they see seriously, it just made me feel like I was there, like I was involved in the action and it made me feel for these guys as they tried to get out. In these scenes, these seem like actual people, military people but people nonetheless. This doesn't elevate the plot to greatness but it does manage to give it some leverage...

This could be exceptional if only they managed to rely more on the jokes, explore the issues a bit more and utilize the personal conflicts as more than just a way to get the drones attention but as it is; it's sort of good... I have to admire it from keeping up the momentum that the show is finally getting good, makes me feel sad that it was canceled.

Krisz
December 30th, 2012, 11:11 AM
ELI: I'm adding this footage to my documentary. I think it's important.
RUSH: Oh yeah? Why's that, then?
ELI: They're our descendants!
RUSH: Not mine. I wasn't there.
ELI: OK. They're still us.

It was interesting to see the theme of Rush’s attitude towards the whole Novus thing continued into this episode. It really did get to him as he gets more snarky when things do, another one of those brief great character moments.


TELFORD: We use the communication stones and get the most qualified people aboard.
RUSH: The most qualified people are already on board. It's myself and Eli.
TELFORD: You're volunteering for this?!
RUSH: This is our own lives that are on the line. You're not even bloody here.

I loved this scene. This was the moment where the crew of the Destiny came to the realization that they had come together as a crew and their efforts are what keeps them alive. Earth is of no use to them, never really has been from the start. Rush only says this because he knows and believes that this change had taken place over the course of the year or so they had been on Destiny. Telford and those on Earth could never really appreciate that I've always felt.

The whole part of Destiny being flown into that blue star was amazing! Some of the most spectacular visual effects of the show came with the destruction of the dome and Park hanging on for dear life as everything she worked so hard to grow disintegrated around her!

Rush’s pragmatic approach to Park’s situation whilst being the right one, given the need for Eli to concentrate on the task at hand gave a great dramatic moment between him and Eli. Rush is almost always right, but approaches it so coldly and callously it seems. Even as he tries to keep Eli’s mind on the vital task at that moment he was still causing problems by being so dismissive in Eli’s mind to the extent that anger was Eli’s distraction instead. Good to see the more mature Eli rising above it and stepping up to save the day!

“Holy crap, we’ve dialed Pittsburgh!”

I liked the observation that all the different Novan settlements would vary in technological advancement due to conditions faced on different planets. This is why we seemed to get less sophisticated architecture and the old huge vacuum tube computer monitor sitting on that table in one of the building they were hiding from the drones in! I love the idea of how the Novans seemed to re-create every aspect of technological, archaeological and social development that had happened on Earth.

Wow, the unexpected appearance of a drone, the wretched things were spread out even further than previously imagined! These certainly looked like they’d been there for ages and destroyed the civilization quite some time before the arrival of the Destiny crew. When that command ship turns up it just makes the chances of Destiny’s prospects for survival much bleaker and heightens the sense of unease. For me this makes the drones one of the creepier adversaries faced by the teams from Earth over the years, their plain and simple dogged pursuit is so unsettling.

Matt G
December 31st, 2012, 04:47 AM
Another ep of SGU...

1. Let's face it...Rush was an absolute bleep here. Yes Park should have bailed out earlier but ripping he and Eli to shreds like that was uneccersary.

2. Terminus, again, very good effort.

3. What the hell did that guy think he was going to achieve?

sOLID EP...ONE TO GO.

garhkal
January 3rd, 2013, 02:45 PM
The only thing i can think of that might have made this ep a little better, had we seen a glimps of young in a store with his pack open... dresses to one side, socks to the other. Does he follow through with his 'word' to wray about getting her a new outfit, or does he take the socks, we KNOW he needs??

Lieutenant Sparrow
January 6th, 2013, 01:53 AM
Pretty good ep.

Rush seems to be back to being the guy we love to hate.

Those drones are smart for machines.

I like to think Destiny knew the drones were there and that's why it look the long way to the star.

The drones hunting our people through the streets reminded me of something. Not sure what.

This ep had some amazing visuals and music.

The command ship poking through the clouds was very ominous. And reminded me of Thor's Chariot

At least we have a full tank of gas. Followed by a very un enthusiastic yay.

Now for the final ep :(

I-Like-Pie
January 8th, 2013, 04:07 PM
Pretty good ep.

Rush seems to be back to being the guy we love to hate.

Those drones are smart for machines.

I like to think Destiny knew the drones were there and that's why it look the long way to the star.

The drones hunting our people through the streets reminded me of something. Not sure what.

This ep had some amazing visuals and music.

The command ship poking through the clouds was very ominous. And reminded me of Thor's Chariot

At least we have a full tank of gas. Followed by a very un enthusiastic yay.

Now for the final ep :(


That same "Yay" can also be heard in episode 7 in season 2 when they find the empty red ship floating alone.

Cluas
March 5th, 2013, 10:31 AM
I felt so sorry for Park in the dome. I thought she was gonna die.

I hate those drones. But the CGI is pretty cool...

Eli was cool in this one. Also I must mention James... I always wanted her to do something heroic. Like breaking Morrison's nose...

garhkal
March 5th, 2013, 01:10 PM
I would have loved it, if just before Varro and Col young stepped through, they fired off one more LAW rocket at the alien cap ship...
Just to say "SUCK IT!"

Cluas
March 5th, 2013, 10:42 PM
That would have been awesome :D

Baron Of Hell
September 19th, 2013, 08:28 AM
Those drones really get around. Who would win in a battle between replicators and drones? Probably replicators because they assimilate not just destroy.

Parks getting her eyes burnt out was sad. She had to try though. Only one episode to go, it was a nice run.

garhkal
September 20th, 2013, 10:33 AM
Personally i think she was pushing her luck staying there as long as she did.