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GateWorld
March 13th, 2011, 02:05 PM
VOTE now on the new episode of Stargate Universe, "Alliances!"

sgc
March 21st, 2011, 08:02 PM
I would definitely have to rate this episode a 10. SGU has really been strong the last several episodes, and it's getting really good now :D.

Nikec3
March 21st, 2011, 09:54 PM
7/10

Nice stone issue :D

Rickington
March 21st, 2011, 10:19 PM
I would have to give this episode a solid 10/10. :D

Kermee
March 21st, 2011, 10:35 PM
I gave it a 5/10. Just didn't care much for the "Greer and Wray Show".

FrodoFraggins
March 22nd, 2011, 12:35 AM
7/10

That may be generous. SGU needs to knock it out of the park in the second season, not return to their mistakes of the first season. They turned a huge event into a blah episode by focusing on Greer/Wray and two brand new characters.

Pecisk
March 22nd, 2011, 02:44 AM
Heh, SG-1 and SGA did such eps in bunches, and one one complained (well, no one points out that it was never a huge issue). SGU does it with flying colors, and suddenly is a bad thing.

I was worried at first, but during watching this ep I totally forgot that it isn't so cool like time travel or space fight...so nerve wrecking. Nicely done.

Started with 9, but finished with 10 for me. Outstanding ep which nicely connects with SGC, Lucian Alliance and Greer/Wray character development. Keep it goin SGU team, you know what you are doing.

Lahela
March 22nd, 2011, 04:44 AM
I gave it 10, because there's no 9.5 and I always round up :)

gashead
March 22nd, 2011, 04:46 AM
Not the best, an average 5/10 for me.

BOTA:99
March 22nd, 2011, 05:40 AM
4. Worst Episode of season 2 so far.

blueray
March 22nd, 2011, 06:24 AM
7 for me. i was okay, there definitely have been worse sgu episodes. to me it seemed like it was missing something, maybe a little action.

Egle01
March 22nd, 2011, 06:25 AM
Hm, 8 from me.

Briangate78
March 22nd, 2011, 07:04 AM
5/10, the episode just did not deliver. Plus with Wray and Greer being my least favorite characters, that did not help either. lol.

Shai Hulud
March 22nd, 2011, 08:12 AM
I gave it a 5/10. Just didn't care much for the "Greer and Wray Show".

Yup same here. Id hoped to see the last of the boring stone use / earth based 'drama' in the last half of S2, its been one of the worst aspects of the entire series IMHO, unfortunatley however it returned with a vengance here. :-(

Shai Hulud
March 22nd, 2011, 08:14 AM
7/10

That may be generous. SGU needs to knock it out of the park in the second season, not return to their mistakes of the first season. They turned a huge event into a blah episode by focusing on Greer/Wray and two brand new characters.

Two brand new characters which were introduced and then sumarily thrown away by the end of the episode. Nice to see French Stewart having a cameo appearance but yet again SGU brings in characters only to kill them off as soon as possible. Same old mistakes. Not good enough.

Python
March 22nd, 2011, 09:52 AM
I literally fell asleep twice while watching this episode.

Bad. The kind of bad that makes me think it's a good thing the show was not renewed.

DB10
March 22nd, 2011, 10:22 AM
5/10 Didn't enjoy this episode much, like others I also didn't care for the Wray/Greer story. They could have added more action to the episode to add a scene where the Cargo Ship crashed into Homeworld Command.

Too bad they killed off these characters, looks like there's a curse on the role of Senator of California :P

leiasky
March 22nd, 2011, 10:32 AM
I'd have given it a higher ranking if there had been even a MENTION of the head of HWC having his command attacked. Not to mention, it's at the PENTAGON for Gods sakes. A mention of their defensive capabilities, lots of HWC people running/dying, and the Hammond in orbit. Something. Bleh.

The only real good thing about it was Greer.

SaUr0n
March 22nd, 2011, 10:33 AM
Oh my god what a bad episode.Actually more out-of-sync than bad:
- those poor people are traped on the other side of the universe, and politicians arrive to asses the situation like it's a SGC project.Seriously...and in a very shocking way they do not support them.What is to support?They're trapped!

-Earth has 5 Asgard enhanced battlecruisers(Apollo, Sun Zu,Oddisey,Daedalus,Hammond, so far), Atlantis stationed on Earth, and the Ancient Outpost in Antarctica.Why does the Lucien Alliance stand a threath for Earth?On the other hand since when are the Lucien Alliance so technologicaly advanced.They were introduced in Season 9 SG1 as being a coalition who just took some of the ships the Goa'uld left behind.They were dealing with tradeing.

-Why does the Lucien Alliance have something personal with Earth?They were the ones always attacking.The Goa'uld,Anubis and the Ori had second thoughts on attacking Earth.

-A cloaked cargo ship crashed on top of Homeworld Command.Really? Anubis could detect cloaked cargo ships.The Wraith detected a cloaked puddle-jumper(Enemy at the Gate).Atlantis detects cloked jumpers, the Asgard can detect cloaked ships.We have everything the Asgard had.Ergo, we should be able to detect cloaked cargo ships.

-Asuming that Earth cannot detect cloaked cargo ships, all battlecruisers have sensors.Surely they could have detected a huuuuge ammount of radiation moving towards washington.

-Asuming they cannot detect huuuuuge amounts of radiation, the ships have beaming technology.They beamed naquadah bombs before(Beachhead, and most Atlantis episodes).They could have beamed it away and have a party.

-Well who could have seen that evans was a spy.Oh right, it was easy.They cared to much to metion his name and even film it.

-Camile and Greer were looking for a nuke that was about do blow killing millions.But of course there is time to argue about how they don't like each other.

-It took 30 minutes for this to happen: A politician and a scientist enter Wray and Greer's body.They dont like anything.On Earth a cargo ship with a huge nuke crashes on homeworld command, and Wray and Greer have to find the nuke.Seriously... 30 minutes!!!

I'm a huge Stargate fan (who could tell right?) and it pains me that SGU wont have a 3rd season.Not that i like the new style.It's a reality show in space.But that the Stargate francise is kind of dying.

With episodes like this i just hope they are not shocked they got canceled.In stead of episodes like this I actually prefer filler episodes from SG1 or SGA.

Benr96
March 22nd, 2011, 10:56 AM
Oh my god what a bad episode.Actually more out-of-sync than bad:
- those poor people are traped on the other side of the universe, and politicians arrive to asses the situation like it's a SGC project.Seriously...and in a very shocking way they do not support them.What is to support?They're trapped!

-Earth has 5 Asgard enhanced battlecruisers(Apollo, Sun Zu,Oddisey,Daedalus,Hammond, so far), Atlantis stationed on Earth, and the Ancient Outpost in Antarctica.Why does the Lucien Alliance stand a threath for Earth?On the other hand since when are the Lucien Alliance so technologicaly advanced.They were introduced in Season 9 SG1 as being a coalition who just took some of the ships the Goa'uld left behind.They were dealing with tradeing.

-Why does the Lucien Alliance have something personal with Earth?They were the ones always attacking.The Goa'uld,Anubis and the Ori had second thoughts on attacking Earth.

-A cloaked cargo ship crashed on top of Homeworld Command.Really? Anubis could detect cloaked cargo ships.The Wraith detected a cloaked puddle-jumper(Enemy at the Gate).Atlantis detects cloked jumpers, the Asgard can detect cloaked ships.We have everything the Asgard had.Ergo, we should be able to detect cloaked cargo ships.

-Asuming that Earth cannot detect cloaked cargo ships, all battlecruisers have sensors.Surely they could have detected a huuuuge ammount of radiation moving towards washington.

-Asuming they cannot detect huuuuuge amounts of radiation, the ships have beaming technology.They beamed naquadah bombs before(Beachhead, and most Atlantis episodes).They could have beamed it away and have a party.

-Well who could have seen that evans was a spy.Oh right, it was easy.They cared to much to metion his name and even film it.

-Camile and Greer were looking for a nuke that was about do blow killing millions.But of course there is time to argue about how they don't like each other.

-It took 30 minutes for this to happen: A politician and a scientist enter Wray and Greer's body.They dont like anything.On Earth a cargo ship with a huge nuke crashes on homeworld command, and Wray and Greer have to find the nuke.Seriously... 30 minutes!!!

I'm a huge Stargate fan (who could tell right?) and it pains me that SGU wont have a 3rd season.Not that i like the new style.It's a reality show in space.But that the Stargate francise is kind of dying.

With episodes like this i just hope they are not shocked they got canceled.In stead of episodes like this I actually prefer filler episodes from SG1 or SGA.

They are a threat because they can fly cloaked cargo ships with naquadah bombs to wherever they want and destroy so much .
and they are advanced because they have like every scientist (exluding ones form earth) in the galaxy working on new stuff.

They probably want earth out of the way so they can idk enslave everyone again, or they just figure that if they want to be the best the have to beat the best.

Asgard and atlantis can detect cloaked jumpers cause well ancients made the jumper and were allies with asgard, anubis had the was nearlly an ascended being who had all the knowledge he needed, wraith had a zpm with made a massive boost to their scanners (yes the ships have zpms but might not have as advanced scanners.

Im not sure but i think they can hide radiation, the bomb probably got damaged in the crash and started leaking.

ye the minute i saw evans i new he was gonna be a spy :)

they were taking a rest anyway so they might aswell argue

thats why they need more episodes so they can fit all the amazing stuff they have in.

im ahuge fan aswell :)

Lahela
March 22nd, 2011, 11:00 AM
Wow, so little love for this ep from some. And here am I thinking we should have got more of this than certain seasons of certain other shows in the franchise. Just goes to show how tastes can differ.

Replicator Todd
March 22nd, 2011, 11:01 AM
I gave it a 7, but a 7.5 would be more accurate. I didn't think it was bad though, just fairly decent. The LA stuff was cool.

LoneStar1836
March 22nd, 2011, 11:23 AM
6/10

And I think I'm being generous with that 6. Quite a downer after last week's terrific episode. Gets a 6 for some of the character bits...particularly Greer and then Young being jealous of LA guy, but story wise, meh/bleh.

VampyreWraith
March 22nd, 2011, 12:28 PM
I gave it an 8, mostly because of Wray and Greer; they both had some really good character moments in this episode. I've been liking Wray more as this season as gone on, and even Chloe had some nice moments. She's been seeming more sure of herself in the past two episodes, and I like that. It was a good character episode. The plot was ok, but I thought the Earth stuff felt off.

dahok
March 22nd, 2011, 12:42 PM
1/10.
So Bored. Way too much standing around and whimpering. I stopped watching the series and came back for this?

The Swarm
March 22nd, 2011, 01:59 PM
1/10.
So Bored. Way too much standing around and whimpering. I stopped watching the series and came back for this?

I think it would have been better if you never came back if thats how you feel....some of us enjoy the show and your opinion is not universal.







Anyway back on topic:

I gave it an 9/10 becouse Earth and stone episodes from the first season should have been writen this way.
Not the best episode and certainly not an action based one....but for a character driven one it was ok.

Spidey3121
March 22nd, 2011, 02:12 PM
6/10

I felt this was a real let down after the first 2 back. I just don't feel like we got anywhere in terms of the overarching story line. Essentially, this episode to me came across as pure filler. Maybe some people enjoy Wray and Greer but they're 2 characters i have very little interest in. I don't hate them; I just prefer them as supporting players and not front and center. I've also had enough with the Lucian Alliance. Say what you will about their technology or numbers but i just don't buy them being the huge intergalactic threat we're supposed to believe they are. Also, what happened to SG teams... surely we still have them right? If so, i feel like they'd be more than capable of dealing with the threat of the Lucian Alliance. Perhaps it's more than just the Alliance though; as in i'm always more interested in what's going on aboard the Destiny. Personally i don't care about what's happening on Earth.

I'm sure i could elaborate on all those points and organize them in a more organized fashion but that's a quick gloss over. I realize i don't post much here but thought i'd get in on the act. I love SGU, i really do and i'm devastated that's it's coming to such a premature end. I however feel the show should have it's primary focus on Destiny, it's mission, and the crew attempting to complete that mission. I'm not opposed to them being in contact with Earth, i only feel that Earth bound affairs shouldn't be of concern.

dahok
March 22nd, 2011, 02:27 PM
I think it would have been better if you never came back if thats how you feel....some of us enjoy the show and your opinion is not universal.



Most people didn't come back, so you're right, and it got canceled because of that.
Irreparable damage was done to the franchise, the last episode highlighted it.

Egle01
March 22nd, 2011, 02:30 PM
Most people didn't come back, so you're right, and it got canceled because of that.
Irreparable damage was done to the franchise, the last episode highlighted it.For me, it's one of the best seasons SG has ever had. Talk about different opinions and personal taste. :)

jsonitsac
March 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM
I loved the tension that was built in this episode. However, I'm not certain how well the conflict between Wray and Greer and the exploration of their characters worked in this episode, it almost seemed kind of forced.

sgc
March 22nd, 2011, 04:45 PM
Oh my god what a bad episode.Actually more out-of-sync than bad:
- those poor people are traped on the other side of the universe, and politicians arrive to asses the situation like it's a SGC project.Seriously...and in a very shocking way they do not support them.What is to support?They're trapped!

-Earth has 5 Asgard enhanced battlecruisers (Apollo, Sun Tzu, Odyssey, Daedalus, and Hammond, so far), Atlantis stationed on Earth, and the Ancient Outpost in Antarctica.Why does the Lucien Alliance stand a threath for Earth?On the other hand since when are the Lucien Alliance so technologicaly advanced.They were introduced in Season 9 SG1 as being a coalition who just took some of the ships the Goa'uld left behind.They were dealing with tradeing.


Actually, in Enemy at the Gate,
the Antartic chair was destroyed, so the Ancient outpost doesn't really do much now



They are a threat because they can fly cloaked cargo ships with naquadah bombs to wherever they want and destroy so much .
and they are advanced because they have like every scientist (exluding ones form earth) in the galaxy working on new stuff.

They probably want earth out of the way so they can idk enslave everyone again, or they just figure that if they want to be the best the have to beat the best.

Asgard and atlantis can detect cloaked jumpers cause well ancients made the jumper and were allies with asgard, anubis had the was nearlly an ascended being who had all the knowledge he needed, wraith had a zpm with made a massive boost to their scanners (yes the ships have zpms but might not have as advanced scanners.

Im not sure but i think they can hide radiation, the bomb probably got damaged in the crash and started leaking.

ye the minute i saw evans i new he was gonna be a spy :)

they were taking a rest anyway so they might aswell argue

thats why they need more episodes so they can fit all the amazing stuff they have in.

im ahuge fan aswell :)


I'd just like to say that unless there are secret Ancient ships in our galaxy, Earth has the most advanced ships in the galaxy. Atlantis and the 304's definitely are more powerful than their ships one-on-one, and Atlantis could take several on at a time without breaking a sweat, as well as the 304's, but they control the Goa'uld fleet, which, is far less powerful, but way more in numbers. With a full complement of drones, Atlantis (or the drone chair) could take out an entire Goa'uld fleet. The LA works together, so they could control twice as many ships (but not much more than that, since many Goa'uld ships were destroyed during the Replicator battle). They would be destroyed with minimal losses on our side, but they wouldn't all come at the same time. After a battle, there are repairs to be made.

I guess my point is that we have the most powerful ships in the galaxy, but the LA has more ships. Although we'd easily win the battles, it would be hard to keep the Stargate program a secret. They're still a threat because they could blow up DC from orbit if they wanted to and worked fast enough. I'm not saying it'd be easy, but it is still possible. It's hard to cover up an explosion of an extra-terrestrial element in DC, because they'd have to pin it on someone without making the US look incompetent (saying "yeah, the rogue NID agents detonated an alien bomb in DC" would make the US look very incompetent and cause hysteria), and blaming it on a foreign power would cause a global nuclear war.

carmencatalina
March 22nd, 2011, 06:48 PM
I'm surprised so many people didn't like the episode - I thought it was really good (9 out of 10, with Twin Destinies being my example of a 10). I thought the tension was great, Wray and Greer really stepped up to the plate in a tough situation, and I enjoyed the whole question of "will the stones ever work again? are they completely cut off now?"

the fifth man
March 22nd, 2011, 07:01 PM
I would give this episode a 7 out of 10.

MattSilver 3k
March 22nd, 2011, 07:14 PM
5/10, the episode just did not deliver. Plus with Wray and Greer being my least favorite characters, that did not help either. lol.

"There is no force more unstoppable, angry and vengeful, than a Briangate who hates on an episode of Stargate. God help us all, and for the love of all things, do not mention Life around him." ~ Matt Silver.

carmencatalina
March 22nd, 2011, 07:33 PM
"There is no force more unstoppable, angry and vengeful, than a Briangate who hates on an episode of Stargate. God help us all, and for the love of all things, do not mention Life around him." ~ Matt Silver.

Amen, brother, amen.

(P.S. Have I ever mentioned that I actually liked "Life"? Yup, I did.)

jelgate
March 22nd, 2011, 07:42 PM
"There is no force more unstoppable, angry and vengeful, than a Briangate who hates on an episode of Stargate. God help us all, and for the love of all things, do not mention Life around him." ~ Matt Silver.

I don't care what you or Brian say, I will eat my Life cereal.

shantar
March 22nd, 2011, 08:32 PM
9 out of 10. I dislike Camille generally but thought the interaction between Greer and Wray worked well.

Krisz
March 22nd, 2011, 09:12 PM
Not one of my favourites, a bit of a mixed bag. Good as always with the moral dilemmas and character interactions. But..... I give it a 5, because to be honest, I'm fed up with the Lucian Alliance and Earth thing!! Takes away good screen time for seeing more of Destiny and the trials and tribulations of all on board.

Cairistiona
March 22nd, 2011, 10:58 PM
8 from me, good ep, enjoyed it, but I don't like Wray very much ;)

Perelandra
March 23rd, 2011, 06:44 AM
Good solid 8 from me- I liked the episode, I was looking forward to seeing Wray and Greer stranded and the attack on homworld security.

Python
March 23rd, 2011, 06:48 AM
I think it would have been better if you never came back if thats how you feel....some of us enjoy the show and your opinion is not universal.
But his opinion is shared. It was a weak, bad episode, maybe even the worst yet. 1/10.

Replicator Todd
March 23rd, 2011, 10:49 AM
Just my opinion, but 1/10 seems WAY to low....I mean sure this wasn't a very exciting episode as the past two but...a 1?

The Destiny
March 24th, 2011, 06:21 AM
Giving a 1 is simply a way of expressing that 'haters gonna hate'. You just have to let people know that merely watching the episode gave you a mild form of radiation poisoning.
If only Dahok had come back last week or the week before. Deliverance and Twin destinies were amaaazing

I 'liked' Alliances. Not a favourite or anything, but I found it quite decent. To me it was 'ok' I guess. It had a lot of good moments though and certainly some good character development. Let's go for a 7.5 , I'll round it to an 8 because everything Greer says is awesome.

And Wray pulling the Geiger technicians arms off, priceless!

xxxevilgrinxxx
March 24th, 2011, 06:28 AM
a nice solid 8 :)

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
March 24th, 2011, 12:22 PM
9/10, I liked it up there with Twin Destinies as one of the best of both seasons.

Egle01
March 24th, 2011, 12:30 PM
I wish I could change my vote from 8 to 9. Doesn't really matter anyways, but re-watch made me appreciate the episode lots more.

Skiznot
March 24th, 2011, 12:34 PM
Little too much like SG-1 for me but pluses for the gory leg and the interesting moral implications of sacrificing a body that isn't yours. I would have been a very different story if Wray hadn't realized they were already walking dead. More pluses for Wray doing the heroic thing. So I give it a 7.

Skiznot
March 24th, 2011, 12:40 PM
Come to think of it, didn't Jackson and the farscape lady get the bodies they were using killed when the stones were first used in SG-1? That had to suck, I don't they they even knew it was coming because at that time it wasn't a swap. Memory is sketchy on that one.

Python
March 24th, 2011, 02:47 PM
I feel asleep twice.

Yes, a 1/10.

And I thank those who do not try to delegitimize opinions, even with ostensibly acceptable phrases like "haters gonna hate."

Petra
March 24th, 2011, 04:54 PM
I wish I could change my vote from 8 to 9. Doesn't really matter anyways, but re-watch made me appreciate the episode lots more.

I SO agree that Alliances is much more enjoyable on re-watch.

I was on a rollercoaster with this one. At first I was like: "OMG, Greer epiosode!!! That's gotta be worth a 10 at least!" but then I wasn't very impressed - my being half-conscious from exhaustion while watching it for the first time probably had something to do with it ;) I was going to give it a 5-6 note but thankfully I rewatched it first and this time I found it to be very good.

Plot isn't the episode's biggest strength, but what it lacks in storytelling it makes up for with awesome character development. I mean, obviously you can't go wrong with anything Greer-related (I'm such a hopeless fangirl of his, LOL) but who knew I'd like Wray? Not that I disliked her before, but I was pretty meh about her. Alliances made me see her in new light and surprisingly left me rooting for budding Greer/Wray friendship. More of that please!

Plot B (or was it A?) on Destiny dragged a little, especially Michaels/Chloe stuff, but that's probably because I was more interested in Greer :D

All in all, I give this ep a solid 8. Not the best, but a notable effort nonetheless.


Come to think of it, didn't Jackson and the farscape lady get the bodies they were using killed when the stones were first used in SG-1? That had to suck, I don't they they even knew it was coming because at that time it wasn't a swap. Memory is sketchy on that one.

Yes, they did. This is actually my biggest beef with Origin. Vala and Daniel got Sallis and Harrid killed and didn't even bat an eye, let alone express any regret or shame or mention how utterly wrong it was. Actually the whole thing was swept under the carpet.

Which is why I find all these claims about SG-1 always doing the right thing and SGU characters allegedly being immoral in comparison so ridiculous, but that's for another discussion...

Lainier
March 25th, 2011, 02:16 PM
7/10. Decent episode. I hope Destiny's communication with Earth will not be restored soon. To be isolated from home can be interesting.

Janus
March 25th, 2011, 02:37 PM
5/10...The Earth stuff was good. The Destiny plot line was not.

Egle01
March 25th, 2011, 02:48 PM
5/10...The Earth stuff was good. The Destiny plot line was not.With stone episodes, it's usually been the opposite.

Replicator Todd
March 25th, 2011, 03:04 PM
With stone episodes, it's usually been the opposite.

Honestly, I think I might of liked The Destiny plotline more even though I really enjoy the Lucian Alliance stuff.

Python
March 25th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Lowest ratings of the entire series.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2011/03/alliances-drops-stargate-universe-ratings-to-series-low/

Anybody else want to say that 1/10 is an exaggeration?

Egle01
March 25th, 2011, 06:11 PM
Anybody else want to say that 1/10 is an exaggeration?Yes.

A lot of people (based on comments and rates) liked "Twin Destinies" more than "Deliverance", but still TD had lower numbers.

Petra
March 26th, 2011, 03:05 AM
^^^
Sanity prevails.

I don't understand this logic of "it had low ratings therefore it's a bad* episode". If anything, it means that the previous episode was seen as bad by general viewers since people simply didn't bother to tune in again.

*Just to make sure, I still maintain there is absolutely no correlation between good quality and viewership. maybe apart from "the better quality the less viewers" thing.

Egle01
March 26th, 2011, 03:23 AM
*Just to make sure, I still maintain there is absolutely no correlation between good quality and viewership. maybe apart from "the better quality the less viewers" thing.If anything, then intelligence doesn't tend to sell.

Python
March 26th, 2011, 04:01 PM
I don't understand this logic of "it had low ratings therefore it's a bad* episode". If anything, it means that the previous episode was seen as bad by general viewers since people simply didn't bother to tune in again.
And that's not the logic I used. Just offering evidence in support. This was the lowest rated show out of all of them. Lowest.

And ratings don't work like that. If someone turns off the show during the middle, it's not counted. Someone can still come back the next week and be lost after the show starts.

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
March 27th, 2011, 06:09 AM
And that's not the logic I used. Just offering evidence in support. This was the lowest rated show out of all of them. Lowest.

And ratings don't work like that. If someone turns off the show during the middle, it's not counted. Someone can still come back the next week and be lost after the show starts.

The ratings seem to be getting lower every episode so I don't use ratings as a judge of quality.

myhelix
March 27th, 2011, 07:24 AM
A good 8.

Rylor
March 27th, 2011, 10:00 AM
It was a solid 8 to me :)

Keeper - Custode
April 8th, 2011, 01:26 PM
I go for 10, because of the thrill of the situation and the regained humanity and good relationship between other two 'Destinier'.