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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 117</FONT>
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Colonel O'Neill and Captain Carter are separated from Jackson and Teal'c during a Stargate journey, and are trapped on a desolate ice world with no way of escape.

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Slainte
May 3rd, 2004, 05:11 PM
Great episode. One of my top five of all seasons, perhaps the most rewatchable and a great episode to use to introduce newbies to SG-1 The outtakes from AT from this ep in "The Lowdown" are hilarious.
Slainte gg

bcmilco
May 3rd, 2004, 07:38 PM
I agree this episode is on my top 10 list, and those out takes were great :D

SamInChicago
May 5th, 2004, 02:09 PM
This one frequently floats into my top 10 list depending on my mood. Broken bones, internal bleeding, hypothermia, frustrating searches, desperation... what's not to love. A great episode even with the lack of hat. :rolleyes:

morjana
May 16th, 2004, 06:16 PM
This is my all time favorite SG-1 episode.

It's a team episode, all though the team is working in two separate components.

And we learn so much about Jack in this episode.

Nice touches of humor, some great background, and some nice foreshadowing for the seasons to come.

Morjana

Nolamom
May 16th, 2004, 08:32 PM
And of course the great Jack one-liner about his sidearm! I do like this episode. Carter working so hard to chip away ice from the DHD while trying to keep the Colonel alive - overall grace under extreme pressure. However, when she emerges and looks across the snowfield, she assumes they're on an ice planet. Now, how many times has the team made an assumption about an entire planet based on the location of or people around the gate itself?
Nmom

KorbenDirewolf
May 16th, 2004, 09:10 PM
erm.. Every episode where they end up on another planet?

Asgard-VA
May 16th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Great episode-----definitely on my top 10 list. Didn't see the answer coming at all until Daniel witnessed the tremor in the SGC.

Say, did anyone out there ever catch any identifying marks on the frozen Jaffa to figure out if he was one of Ra's soldiers?

bcmilco
May 16th, 2004, 11:11 PM
Didn't see the answer coming at all

If you see the episode on TV sometime, view the Guide Info about the episode, It says something like: 'O'Neill and Carter are trapped in Antarctica'. Talk about spoilers for the episode :S

KorbenDirewolf
May 17th, 2004, 09:56 PM
Also there's a little more of O'Niell's backstory as well as the introduction of a second gate, which opens up alot of speculation and possiblities.

Asgard-VA
May 17th, 2004, 10:32 PM
If you see the episode on TV sometime, view the Guide Info about the episode, It says something like: 'O'Neill and Carter are trapped in Antarctica'. Talk about spoilers for the episode :S

Yeah, the episode summaries on TV definitely spoil the endings for many shows. I was actually fortunate because I didn't start watching SG-1 until the DVDs came out. I had seen a few episodes here and there (maybe 4 or 5) but none of them from the first season. After buying season one, I started watching on a Friday night, got completely addicted by the sixth episode and wound up watching the entire first season by the end of the weekend! No commercials, no previews, no spoilers. That was a GOOD weekend! Started going through withdrawal symptoms waiting to get season two, however!

Dragonlor
May 17th, 2004, 10:42 PM
Now, how many times has the team made an assumption about an entire planet based on the location of or people around the gate itself?
Nothing wrong with that. As we all know all planets except Earth are only about 40 square miles in size. Earth is just unusually large. ;)

Matt G
May 18th, 2004, 03:21 AM
If you see the episode on TV sometime, view the Guide Info about the episode, It says something like: 'O'Neill and Carter are trapped in Antarctica'. Talk about spoilers for the episode :S

Puh-leese! That for real? Channel 4 introduced the ep as 'The Ice Planet'

omnian
May 18th, 2004, 11:25 AM
There was one thing I didn't get about this episode......

If dialling Earth on the second gate didn't work then why didn't Carter simply try another address? To be sure that it wasn't just Earth that couldn't be gated to?

KorbenDirewolf
May 18th, 2004, 12:33 PM
Scientists are generally trained to ASSUME that if one thing doesn't work, other similar things won't work. Also, O'Neill was in need of medical attention, I'm not at all sure that Carter could have moved him through the gate more than once.

Zoidman
May 18th, 2004, 12:35 PM
Say, did anyone out there ever catch any identifying marks on the frozen Jaffa to figure out if he was one of Ra's soldiers?

It's hard to tell, all we see is his hand through the ice. Sam says he's a serpent guard.

http://www.kvernavig.com/pics/1x17_serpent.jpg

bcmilco
May 18th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Puh-leese! That for real? Channel 4 introduced the ep as 'The Ice Planet'

Yes, it's for real. :S

bcmilco
May 18th, 2004, 12:47 PM
Scientists are generally trained to ASSUME that if one thing doesn't work, other similar things won't work.

I don't think that's necessarily true. I'm a "computer scientist" and part of my training and eperience has tought me to try ever possibility no matter how unlikely it is to work. (Especially if it's a Microsoft product :p)

I'm not saying I would have thought to dial another planet, at that time, I'm just saying I doubt her training would lead her to make such an assumption, rather I think she was so focused on getting back to EARTH that it never entered her mind to try another planet.

Asgard-VA
May 18th, 2004, 09:57 PM
It's hard to tell, all we see is his hand through the ice. Sam says he's a serpent guard.

http://www.kvernavig.com/pics/1x17_serpent.jpg

Thank you for the great detective work!

This now leads me into my next question on goa'uld visitations to earth. If the Jaffa in Antartica is a serpent guard (one of Apophis's goons) and this gate was lost before the folks at Giza threw Ra out and buried the gate, doesn't this imply that Ra gained control of the planet from Apophis? Not that this really matters much, but I don't recall anything mentioned about it in the series (although maybe I blinked and missed it). Anyway, the early goa'uld chronology of events on earth might make for an interesting story at some point.

Madeleine
May 18th, 2004, 10:49 PM
Hammond is to blame for Sam not trying another address; she has hypothermia as an excuse.

He should have, as part of a risk assessment, have considered the possibility that an SG team might urgently need to leave a planet where they are under fire from hostiles, but not want to come to the SGC, or not be able to. If the Jaffa chasing them had shot and damaged the GDO, if the Earth gate was in use at the time of the emergency, or if the DHD didn't have the right symbols then they ought to have a 'spare' address, possibly the Alpha site, possibly an empty and harmless planet, where they could regroup and sit tight until they can contact Earth or Earth come to find them.

Or if they needed to get out fast but they were themselves a danger to the SGC due to some contagion. Like in Bane, when the bugs were chasing them, it would have made more sense for them to dial a 'spare' planet.

Not really Hammond's finest hour. But Solitudes was such a great story that I'll forgive him. Just. :P

KokiriChild
May 19th, 2004, 03:22 AM
Hammond is to blame for Sam not trying another address; she has hypothermia as an excuse.

He should have, as part of a risk assessment, have considered the possibility that an SG team might urgently need to leave a planet where they are under fire from hostiles, but not want to come to the SGC, or not be able to. If the Jaffa chasing them had shot and damaged the GDO, if the Earth gate was in use at the time of the emergency, or if the DHD didn't have the right symbols then they ought to have a 'spare' address, possibly the Alpha site, possibly an empty and harmless planet, where they could regroup and sit tight until they can contact Earth or Earth come to find them.

Or if they needed to get out fast but they were themselves a danger to the SGC due to some contagion. Like in Bane, when the bugs were chasing them, it would have made more sense for them to dial a 'spare' planet.

Not really Hammond's finest hour. But Solitudes was such a great story that I'll forgive him. Just. :P
Yeah, I've often wandered this, but then I get into a whole debate about American military tactics... don't even get me started... Give us Brits the Stargate!

Moving right along... I *loved* this episode, one of the best lines... ok, 2 of the best lines came out of this episode:

Jack: It's my sidearm I swear
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Daniel to Teal'C: And what would happen if you dialed your own telephone?... Bad example...

omnian
May 19th, 2004, 03:40 AM
Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who was wondering about this then....

Zoidman
May 19th, 2004, 03:52 AM
Thank you for the great detective work!

This now leads me into my next question on goa'uld visitations to earth. If the Jaffa in Antartica is a serpent guard (one of Apophis's goons) and this gate was lost before the folks at Giza threw Ra out and buried the gate, doesn't this imply that Ra gained control of the planet from Apophis? Not that this really matters much, but I don't recall anything mentioned about it in the series (although maybe I blinked and missed it). Anyway, the early goa'uld chronology of events on earth might make for an interesting story at some point.
No problem ;)


It's possible Apophis brought slaves from Earth long before Ra came to Egypt. The Antarctic gate is one of the first made (if not the first). It's located in the Ancient's territory, which suggest it was protected by an Ancient goa'uld killer or some other defense weaponry.

Then the gate was probably banned for that reason, which is why Ra brought the Egypt gate.

KorbenDirewolf
May 19th, 2004, 06:27 AM
I don't think that's necessarily true. I'm a "computer scientist" and part of my training and eperience has tought me to try ever possibility no matter how unlikely it is to work. (Especially if it's a Microsoft product :p)
okay... Maybe I overgeneralized a bit. Theoretical scientists are taught to make assumptions.

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 04:16 AM
There was one thing I didn't get about this episode......

If dialling Earth on the second gate didn't work then why didn't Carter simply try another address? To be sure that it wasn't just Earth that couldn't be gated to?

I must admit, I found that odd, as well.

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 12:22 AM
A great episode even with the lack of hat. :rolleyes
That's the main thing that bothered me about this episode !
I know Jack had several serious injuries,...but at least he had the sense to keep his head warm at all costs !!
I mean,if Sam had been following basic survival training,she'd have kept her helmet on.
(I'm assuming that the helmet was fully lined,btw.No sense in keeping it on, if there was no insulation against the extreme cold .)

Conclusion:The Director made her do it ! ;)

(This also (perhaps) answers the more important question, about why she didn't try a safe address, to see if she and Jack could Gate there ! ;) )

Elwe Singollo
June 27th, 2004, 12:35 AM
Although a long shot, maybe Carter didn't know any other gate addresses at the time :)

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 12:49 AM
Possibly ! ;) I know Daniel was the Address expert, but I know that if I was expected to risk my neck on a regular basis,by going through the Gate,I'd make sure I had a safe place memorised (or written down) in case of emergency ! :)

Having stated that,"Solitudes" would have been a pointless episode, if there'd been no real risk factor ! (I enjoyed the episode regardless. :D )

Elwe Singollo
June 27th, 2004, 12:53 AM
I saw some bloopers of this episode from the Lowdown, i think it was the lowdown... it was halrious about the macgyver comments, But anyway, if they weren't stuck in a cold freezing place, i think your right fhb, it would be pointless, haha...

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 12:59 AM
OMG,I loved that whole routine from AT ! Poor RDA ! :D

Elwe Singollo
June 27th, 2004, 01:01 AM
Haha... I couldn't see the emotion on RDA's face at the time, but he didn't seem mad or anything, haha..

Anubis
June 27th, 2004, 01:02 AM
lol Very true, but then again...

Elwe Singollo
June 27th, 2004, 01:05 AM
If there were no ice or anything that made the location of Jack and Sam hazardous, i think it would have been more difficult to find them, because how they found out there were two gates, and a person dialing the same address wouldn't get an effect, or something like that, and they said the gate was in russia, where its icy, haha... Well i don't think thats exactly how it went, but yes, thats what generally happened...

Madeleine
June 27th, 2004, 01:08 AM
This was such a simple plot it could be summed up in a single sentence. Fantastic scripting and acting made it not only watchable for 42 minutes but one of the best ever eps. And not 'dumb', despite the very basic premise.

Anubis
June 27th, 2004, 01:10 AM
Spot on Madeline. Not dumb at all

Elwe Singollo
June 27th, 2004, 01:11 AM
This was such a simple plot it could be summed up in a single sentence. Fantastic scripting and acting made it not only watchable for 42 minutes but one of the best ever eps. And not 'dumb', despite the very basic premise.I agree and understand completely. The way you explained it is the sameway how i feel about the movie "phonebooth", i think thats what the movie is called... But yah, :)

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 01:12 AM
Agreed,Madeleine ! In my personal top 10 SG-1 ep list,I'd rank it as second only to "Foothold" . No way was this a "Dumb" episode ! :D

Anubis
June 27th, 2004, 01:13 AM
I remember Phonebooth. Good storyline. Don't get me started

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 07:49 PM
You can clearly see the Antartic Gate's point of origin in this episode. When this gate ends up in the SGC it doesn't use it.

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 05:42 PM
The best line in this episode is when Danny explains to Teal'c the Gate/Phone thing.

aAnubiSs
July 15th, 2004, 05:52 PM
This is the first episode we get any hint whatsoever about Atlantis right?

Selmak
July 16th, 2004, 10:46 AM
They found the oldest gate... the are continued to frozen and the lost city.

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 08:08 PM
this definately makes my top 10 sg=1 ep's but I wanna kow what symbol that PO was suppose to be does anyone have a pic to show it was liek some werid circle over a line any guesses to what it might represent, and why if the point of origin being sun over pyramid for earth if the stargate system is far more extensive than the gouald know and on gates they dont know why is it the same the pyramids did not appear till long after the ancietns supposidly left

DownFallAngel
July 17th, 2004, 08:13 PM
I alwasy thought it was Earth with a line which equals were the gate is, in this case the southern most continet, aka Antarctica.

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 08:23 PM
I alwasy thought it was Earth with a line which equals were the gate is, in this case the southern most continet, aka Antarctica.


that is possible but remember the whole contiental drift thing,

Ketari
July 24th, 2004, 10:38 PM
My favourite bit in this ep is where Jack says "Its my side arm, i swear." *chuckle*

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 05:42 PM
This is the one with that famous Macgyver blooper.

MaxMacGyver
July 31st, 2004, 11:39 PM
I'd like to offer up for discussion a situation that has been bugging me regarding this episode, which doesn't prevent me from considering it among my very favorites. :) If you look through the Antarctic gate when it's shown, the kawoosh has obviously dug out a path through several ice "walls" behind the gate. Based on the direction Jack and Sam were thrown, and where the DHD is found, the front is in the opposite direction. Am I correct in understanding that the kawoosh only does its... well... "kawooshing" towards the front of the gate?

I was also wondering about a kawoosh situation from season 7's "Death Knell." Since the gate was knocked over face down, it created what Jack called "the perfect foxhole" for them to hide in from enemy fire, if necessary. The only problem is, if they were in this lovely foxhole while doing a manual dial, the same kawoosh that dug the hole would disintegrate them when the wormhole formed!

That's the exact same reason that they gave for NOT being able to dial while Teal'c was digging his way out of the hole the gate made in season 3's "A Hundred Days." They knew dialing again, from either direction, would disintegrate Teal'c with the kawoosh. They did a great job explaining how they could dial in to a buried gate with the melted naquadah shield idea, enabling them to use the kawoosh to excavate a cavern after Sam got rid of the shield. They were very careful not to kill Teal'c by establishing another wormhole, although it's unfortunate they forgot about this entire situation when discussing whether or not it was safe to go to the Alpha site in "Death Knell." I have considered that perhaps it was because Sam wasn't there to remind them... since she's the one they were desperate to go look for. So, I suppose that will do for an explanation for that one.

But can anybody reconcile the problem with the gate in "Solitudes" for me? I like it when the Stargate universe is as believable and as consistent as possible. That's one reason I like the Unanswered Questions, Analysis, Notes, etc at the end of GateWorld's Summaries - they often explain something incongruous to my satisfaction. Even if the explanation is far-fetched, if it's at least theoretically possible, then I'm satisfied and all is right with the Stargate world. :D

But there isn't even a Summary page for either "Solitudes" let alone any interesting comments at the bottom! There isn't even have any Reviews, just a transcript and 3 measly pictures. What's up with that? For an episode that everybody seems to agree belongs in the top 10, there isn't much info about it. :( I've read through lots of forum topics, as well as checked for comments or discussion on this topic at other websites, but haven't found anything.

So just what exactly has been established regarding the kawoosh? It kills anyone caught in it, it's only supposed happen at the front of the gate, it can dig holes and melt ice, apparently. What else? Any comments? Suggestions? Ideas that could explain the melted ice walls behind the gate in "Solitudes?" All input and opinions are requested and appreciated. Thanks!
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MaxMacGyver

Alex Mcpherson
August 12th, 2004, 04:28 PM
ive been thinking, and talking to a friend..
now according to this episode..
the Beta gate (antartica one in this episode)
has a different PoO.
yet even when they used the beta gate after the alpha fell into the ocean from space [and russians picking it up]
they used the :
.
/\
symbol.
id just like to say.. what the hell and any theories on how they can use that PoO and the gate NOT have that symbol on it (say the producers and whatnot changed the model in the gateroom set to show the newen but forgot abou tthat rofl)
..
ack comp crash coming lol.. finish later.

Skydiver
August 12th, 2004, 06:51 PM
basically, they kept using/showing the original PoO /\ because

a) no one remembered that it'd have a different Poo
b) they didn't have the time/money/inclination to shoot new stock footage
c) didn't think any of us would notice a little thing like that

Crazedwraith
August 13th, 2004, 04:10 AM
I was also wondering about a kawoosh situation from season 7's "Death Knell." Since the gate was knocked over face down, it created what Jack called "the perfect foxhole" for them to hide in from enemy fire, if necessary. The only problem is, if they were in this lovely foxhole while doing a manual dial, the same kawoosh that dug the hole would disintegrate them when the wormhole formed!
They weren't going to Dial the gate whil it was still face down. They pulled it so it was vertical again.

Crazedwraith
August 13th, 2004, 04:12 AM
Another ting about this episode. That if only Carter had thought to dialed a different planet juts once. Then everything would have turn out allrite and we would'nt know about the second gate at all

greytop
August 13th, 2004, 12:03 PM
I thought that Carter thought they were on a different planet. So that is why she didn't dial a different one.

Crazedwraith
August 13th, 2004, 12:33 PM
I thought that Carter thought they were on a different planet. So that is why she didn't dial a different one.
I know, but ya think she might have realised the problem might have been at the other end, and tried a different address.

greytop
August 13th, 2004, 12:40 PM
True, very true but if that happen it would be a very short episode.

Madeleine
August 13th, 2004, 10:21 PM
It's not often that a plot-hole that huge (and, it has to be said, daft) can exist without derailing the whole episode. Solitudes was just so great in every other way though that it still stands as a Top Ten one.

Major Fischer
August 16th, 2004, 09:58 PM
It's a pretty big plot hole. But it doens't change that it's a great episode. One thing I think every time I see it though is, "damn, it's a good thing they weren't on a mission to a warm weather planet" because they could have come back in less clothing :p

Aside from the obvious problems re: the PoO that continue through the use of the Beta Gate, and the fact that I think Carter should have thought about dialing another planet (at least a warmer planet), I also sort of wonder why Daniel was the only one to notice the shaking. It's not like he was the only one around the SGC, even very early in the morning.

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 08:14 AM
One of the best, not just cause Sam and jack are to gether, im not a shiper honest, but i consider this Stargate: Atlantis 1.01

Lord Zedd
September 8th, 2004, 05:54 AM
I'm Anubis

I really like Solitudes but it has been a while since I've seen it.I only saw it once and I'll have to wait unline it comes available in season box then I see one of my favourite episodes back
Finally

Lord Zedd
September 15th, 2004, 11:43 AM
They found the oldest gate... the are continued to frozen and the lost city.

There was a thread on if the Earth's Stargate was the oldest but that isn't true.It is ONE of the oldest but not the oldest.As you are aware there is no naquahdah in our solarsystem and the gate works on naquahdah so you see what I'm tying to say here.

Spiderman
September 19th, 2004, 02:09 PM
There was a thread on if the Earth's Stargate was the oldest but that isn't true.It is ONE of the oldest but not the oldest.As you are aware there is no naquahdah in our solarsystem and the gate works on naquahdah so you see what I'm tying to say here.
I think you're trying to say that the Ancients couldn't buid the gates if they came from Earth so they had to come from somewhere else

prescor
September 20th, 2004, 04:18 PM
MY big problem with this episode is the fact that gate is found IN WORKING ORDER. They make no mention of the DHD having to be "plugged in." Sam didn't have to "fiddle" with the crystals or anything. They just had to get it out of the ice enough to hit the symbols in order to try it.

Since it is later established that any other gate on earth with a DHD connected to it overrides the jury-rigged SGC gate, then by rights the very first mission in modern times...the one returning from Abydos in the Movie...should have returned to Antarctica!

I HATE inconsistency, but happily admit that Stargate as a franchise siffers from it far less than most!

zats
October 29th, 2004, 06:56 PM
If you see the episode on TV sometime, view the Guide Info about the episode, It says something like: 'O'Neill and Carter are trapped in Antarctica'. Talk about spoilers for the episode :S

Oooh...that...really sucks. Completelyruins the whole point of the episode!

RDAfan61
November 12th, 2004, 12:43 AM
If you see the episode on TV sometime, view the Guide Info about the episode, It says something like: 'O'Neill and Carter are trapped in Antarctica'. Talk about spoilers for the episode :S
LOL No kidding. Sheesh. It is also my favorite ep with probably, Abyss coming in a close second or the Lost City. RDA does pain so well. Plus all the acting was just great and the sense of team even tho they are seperated. Just great.

Shelly

Major Clanger
November 12th, 2004, 06:01 PM
It's not often that a plot-hole that huge (and, it has to be said, daft) can exist without derailing the whole episode. Solitudes was just so great in every other way though that it still stands as a Top Ten one.
*bites lip, determined not to comment*

Madeleine
November 13th, 2004, 04:17 AM
What? What? It's not like any of them had hair loose in their faces or anything!

Major Clanger
November 13th, 2004, 06:43 AM
*sits on hands*

Note to self: Do. Not. Rise. To. Bait.

Madeleine
November 13th, 2004, 10:58 AM
*sits on hands*

Tsck, have you forgotten your gloves again? Wearing gloves is a more efficient way to keep your hands warm than sitting on them. Silly billy!

Major Clanger
November 13th, 2004, 12:20 PM
You know,

*breathes on spoon and polishes it on vest*

Since I have this thing out, anyway, I might as well use it. You know, like a Gurkha Kukri knife... if the spoon is unsheathed it has to draw blood...

I'll be out later, btw, parading round the village with all the kids and their little paper lanterns... everyone, without exception, will be wearing a hat. Gloves. Scarves...
even though there is no snow.

Major Clanger
November 13th, 2004, 12:23 PM
I think you're trying to say that the Ancients couldn't buid the gates if they came from Earth so they had to come from somewhere else
Man I wish this post hadn't caught my eye! I already have massive massive issues over this ep (over a seemingly - to other people - trivial thing) and I really didn't need this huge problem to come to my attention.

So my instinct is to cover my eyes, and put my fingers in my ears and sing, very loudly.
lalalalala I can't hear you!

Anyone got any ideas?

tribob
November 22nd, 2004, 05:26 PM
omg, jus watched this ep after, well a long time... what is up with Teal'cs' expression throughout the episode?? compared to now he just looks hysterical to watch!

zats
December 3rd, 2004, 07:25 PM
I [heart] this episode! Seriously, it's awesome. High on my list of favorites. I hadn't seen it until I got Season I on DVD, and now I watch it often. Except when it's cold outside, and then it's a little creepy.

What was good:
a. Storyline. Didn't see it coming. I'm actually a little surprised that Antarctica has played such a large role throughout the series--most recently, "New Order" and "Frozen". Sometimes it seems like the storylines with the most potential are the ones that peter out too quickly: after all, when was the last time we saw the Nox? "Pretense"?
b. S/J interaction. Dialogue was good (dialogue's usually my biggest bone to pick, so this is quite an admission on my part), and AT and RDA had convincing performances. Was it one of the Lowdown's where they showed a shot of the filming of "Solitudes", when they showed AT joking about being stuck on a glacier with McGyver? I can't even remember the exact quote, but it still makes me laugh when I watch this ep.

Anyway, S/J was good. The little exchange in the scene with the sidearm gag was superb!

c. Daniel and Teal'c storyline. "What happens when you dial your own phone number? Okay, wrong person to ask." I love that part!

[B]d. Suspense. It's not often that an ep has a perfect balance of tension, humor, and storyline. If too much weight is placed on one, the others unbalance and things get wonky. In this ep, the origin of the second Stargate was hardly touched on for something like an entire season, but the point is that it was eventually wrapped up, and that keeps me happy.

What wasn't good:
a. I've got nothing! Huzzah!

General notes:
a. OzK has a delightful fic centered around "Solitudes", told from Janet's point of view. I don't know where else it's posted, but at Stargatefan, the link is http://www.stargatefan.com/fictionms/medicalcon2.html. It's definitely worth a look. Funny and poignant.

b. Pity that the TV Guide-doodad spoiled the episode. I don't mind spoilers, and I'd still have been steamed!

Good ep. Just a little...chilly. Try watching it in July when the air conditioner goes out. Works like a charm!

jckfan55
December 5th, 2004, 03:34 PM
I know, but ya think she might have realised the problem might have been at the other end, and tried a different address.
Remember too, that she's barely slept in a day or 2. She probably wasn't thinking as clearly as she otherwise might.

ShimmeringStar
January 1st, 2005, 02:26 PM
Not much more I can add than has already been said. A good episode. Great acting. I always forget the McGyver outtake isn't there (:D :D) and still love Jack's line : “It’s my sidearm, I swear…” and Sam's giggles afterward. (That whole piece seemed very natural and more like adlib than scripted, wonder how much was/wasn't....)

girlgater
January 25th, 2005, 09:09 AM
I have a question...what name did O'Neill say as Carter lay by his side towards the end of the episode? It sounded like Sarah, but I wasn't sure and didn't tape it last night.

Major Fischer
January 25th, 2005, 09:10 AM
I have a question...what name did O'Neill say as Carter lay by his side towards the end of the episode? It sounded like Sarah, but I wasn't sure and didn't tape it last night.

Sara. The name of his ex-wife.

greytop
January 25th, 2005, 01:43 PM
I also believe he call Carter, Sam, at one point in the episode. It was when he ordered her to go topside.

girlgater
January 26th, 2005, 08:15 AM
Thanks for the confirmation on Sara.

Major Clanger
January 30th, 2005, 04:52 AM
Unless, apparently, you are watching it dubbed into Spanish. When he says "Sam"

*sits on hands determined not to mention the thing about this ep*

I watched most of it the other day - but the more I see of Atlantis, and the more I see of the latter S7 and early S8 eps of Stargate I hate this ep more and more.

Even without the thing.

ShimmeringStar
January 30th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Com'n MC.... mention the thing. Share with us the thing. I think I may remember what you said about the thing. But now I'm not sure.

Com'n.... spill the beans! :) :D :D

Major Clanger
January 30th, 2005, 08:39 AM
Com'n MC.... mention the thing. Share with us the thing. I think I may remember what you said about the thing. But now I'm not sure.

Com'n.... spill the beans! :) :D :D

don't tempt me.
I have given up talking about the thing for a New Year's Resolution.
so there.
*sits on hands*

oh but... my sig is still there :D

aAnubiSs
January 30th, 2005, 08:40 AM
sits on hats?

Madeleine
January 30th, 2005, 10:11 PM
MC, don't ever watch The Day After Tomorrow. Hats and gloves are abandoned with... abandon.

Albion
January 31st, 2005, 02:27 AM
Definitely up there as one of my all time favourite episodes, this one. It just has it all. Great tension and plot, nice twist, some terrific humour, team action, S/J...I could do with more of these 'two people in a room' episodes. Like Tangent, too. Especially when they're written as well as this.

I've seen the 'why didn't Sam trying dialling something other than Earth' question many times, but have to say that that's something that never really struck me as particularly puzzling. I mean, come on, give the woman a break here. She's exhausted, freezing...how well would your brain work in an extreme chill factor and when you've been awake for as many hours straight as Sam has? I think it's amazing she was as compost mental (as my husband would say) as she was!

I think that she was barely hanging on, fogged with exhaustion, and was barely able to manage focusing on one thing. That one thing - dialling home - took on so much importance it became like tunnel vision, shutting out everything else. When you're about to die, when you're body is shutting down and fighting to remain awake and alert, getting home becomes the paramount survival thought in your head. Especially when you feel duty bound to get a wounded and dying superior officer whose fate you feel responsible for back home safe too. That single thought - home - must just have kept pulsing on in there in Sam's head, I'd reckon.

So it's never been a problem for me, this one. It's always seemed perfectly logical and human that Sam wouldn't think of dialling somewhere else in those circumstances. She's not a machine. Just human like the rest of us.

I feel for you on those spoilers! :rolleyes: I love watching the trailers on the DVDs (or I did until SciFi took over and did those terrible ones), but boy I don't know how you put up with them spoiling episodes. They seem to do it with extreme regularity. Like the one for Double Jeopardy which focused on the fact that SG1 were going to have to help their robot doubles. Completely destroying the element of surprise since we aren't made aware they are robot doubles and not our SG1 until halfway through the episode. Gits.
Albion :)

kelmah
February 8th, 2005, 10:08 AM
The "sidearm" comment has fuelled many a fanfic.

Uber
February 25th, 2005, 03:05 PM
This is my all time favorite SG-1 episode.

It's a team episode, all though the team is working in two separate components.

And we learn so much about Jack in this episode.

Nice touches of humor, some great background, and some nice foreshadowing for the seasons to come.

Morjana
I love Sam's compassion when she comes to terms with the fact that they'll both die from exposure - so she responds to him as though she were Sara, giving him comfort and letting him know he wasn't alone and that their ordeal would soon be over...

greytop
February 28th, 2005, 07:41 AM
What if the telephone question went like this:

DJ asked Teal'c about the telephone.
DJ: Wrong person to ask. (Turns to Hammond) What happens when you dial your own cellphone number?
Hammond: You need to put in your password.
DJ, looking congused: Let me rephase that. What happens when you dial your own phone number at home?
Hammond: You get a busy signal.

:) :p

Major Clanger
March 1st, 2005, 12:27 PM
I love Sam's compassion when she comes to terms with the fact that they'll both die from exposure - so she responds to him as though she were Sara, giving him comfort and letting him know he wasn't alone and that their ordeal would soon be over...

you know I like an awful lot about this ep. Not least the desperation as Daniel and Teal'c (and Hammond) try to work out what happened to Sam & Jack.

However, they would die a lot slower if...

no... I can't mention the thing.

SmartFox
March 2nd, 2005, 08:32 PM
Just saw this ep (going through all the eps on DVD so i can catch up). I didn't know they were on Antartica before hand but figured it out right away cause i knew there was a gate from Anartica from many later eps. Thats one thing that really sucks about not starting with a series from the beginning, you have alot of things spoiled for you.

Loved this ep despite me knowing. Great interaction between Sam and Jack (bet Sam/Jack shippers loved this ep). I love Jack and his remarks "It's my sidearm i swear."

The only question i have about this ep is: Whats the thing?

Im_just_guessing
March 2nd, 2005, 08:42 PM
Hats, if they wore Hats they would die slower.


But I disagree. They were coming from a HOT planet (evidence: The planet was reddish), the hats probably had built in cooling!

Madeleine
March 2nd, 2005, 10:46 PM
How hot is Mars? It's red, right? :p

jckfan55
March 3rd, 2005, 05:29 PM
Hats, if they wore Hats they would die slower.


But I disagree. They were coming from a HOT planet (evidence: The planet was reddish), the hats probably had built in cooling!
Well, working as hard as they were on chopping the ice, they might not have felt cold at first. But they should have known basic hypothermia prevention.

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 3rd, 2005, 05:39 PM
This is my all time favorite SG-1 episode.

It's a team episode, all though the team is working in two separate components.

And we learn so much about Jack in this episode.

Nice touches of humor, some great background, and some nice foreshadowing for the seasons to come.

Morjana
My sentiments exactly. Even though you know it has to work out in the end, you can feel the desperation of everyone. I felt that we got to learn a lot about all the characters, a crisis always gives great character insights. The interaction with Sam and Jack was very touching (whether you're a shipper or not), as was Daniel and Teal'c working so hard to get their friends back. And to top it off, this episode gave us some of the classic Stargate quotes!
"It's my sidearm I swear"
"What happens when you dial your own phone number? Wrong person to ask."
-Not to mention one of my favorite outtakes-
"I'm trapped on an iceberg with MacGyver!"

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Definetely one of my favorites.

I would think that if you couldn't dial Earth, you'd want to dial anywhere that was warmer. My only focus would be to get warmer.

The busy signal line was cool though.

zats
March 13th, 2005, 09:42 AM
...still love Jack's line : “It’s my sidearm, I swear…” and Sam's giggles afterward. (That whole piece seemed very natural and more like adlib than scripted, wonder how much was/wasn't....)
Your apparently weird thought processes aside...I know I'd've been laughing if I had to deliver that dialogue on camera! ;)

Cinephilic TV Addict
March 26th, 2005, 04:52 PM
Just re-watched this one - definitley one of the best SG-1 episodes of all time. I've been re-watching a lot of season 1 lately, and most aren't that good. But Solitudes is just amazing. It might even be in the top 10 epsidoes of the whole series.

ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
June 22nd, 2005, 08:35 AM
lol...this was a good one, nice to see hammond off site for once... the best part in the episode was

Sam: "Sir!"
Jack: "I'ts my side arm, i swear"

Beatrice Otter
June 24th, 2005, 10:56 PM
The "sidearm" comment has fuelled many a fanfic.
I know. But it pretty much had to have been a sidearm, if you think about it. I mean, he's in the process of freezing to death, with at least one broken bone that's been improperly set and who knows how many other problems. Plus he's tired and hungry. Under the circumstances, I doubt he'd have been aroused by Mary Steenburgen (this is Jack, after all) doing a striptease right in front of him.

zats
June 29th, 2005, 04:04 PM
That's the main thing that bothered me about this episode !
I know Jack had several serious injuries,...but at least he had the sense to keep his head warm at all costs !!
I mean,if Sam had been following basic survival training,she'd have kept her helmet on.
(I'm assuming that the helmet was fully lined,btw.No sense in keeping it on, if there was no insulation against the extreme cold .)

Conclusion:The Director made her do it ! ;)

Reality aside ( ;) ), it would have been more difficult to connect with Sam had the hat been hiding her face. 'Solitudes' is an emotional episode, and the hat would have either been in the way of or cast a shadow over AT's visage, effectively emotionally removing her off from the audience. :cool:

.:Lemon:.
August 8th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Just saw this episode again on Sky One last night (or was it the night before that? Can't quite remember....) Anyway, I really like this episode and it's probably one of my favourites from the earlier seasons. I loved Daniel in this episode for some reason....

1DanielForMe
August 8th, 2005, 10:38 PM
I loved Daniel in this episode for some reason....I second that, Lemon! I mean, I always love Daniel, but this is the episode that made me fall in love with him! It's a wonderful episode in itself as well, and I always refer to it when people try to say that the whole Jack & Sam thing started only recently.

jyh
August 11th, 2005, 03:42 PM
I've always really liked this episode. Not sure why it's one of my favorites... no Jaffa, no enemy, no firefights, not even a view of another planet. (And no, I'm not exactly a 'shipper, so it's not the Carter/O'Neill cuddle that gets me.) It's just the genuine loyalty and heartfelt emotion that bonds the team that I like. Carter feels so helpless and guilty when she can't get the gate dialed. And Teal'c and Daniel would rather cut their arms off than give up looking.

Just a really good episode.



(And for the poster who asked about the gate 'kawoosh,' It sure looks like it should whoosh the other way (away from the DHD), but that's not where they landed. Just one of those little details that got away from the producers....) :rolleyes:

jyh
August 11th, 2005, 03:58 PM
And of course the great Jack one-liner about his sidearm! I do like this episode. Carter working so hard to chip away ice from the DHD while trying to keep the Colonel alive - overall grace under extreme pressure. However, when she emerges and looks across the snowfield, she assumes they're on an ice planet. Now, how many times has the team made an assumption about an entire planet based on the location of or people around the gate itself?
Nmom


This bothered me too, about Carter writing off the planet as "an ice planet." You'd think that living here on earth, which has deserts, rain forests, and glaciers, we would know better.

However, in her defense, think about Carter's dilemma. Even if the whole planet isn't ice, it definitely IS frozen "as far as the eye can see." How far would she have to go to find any sort of civilzation. And in which direction? She might as well kill Jack herself as try to find help.

Still, this little, minute detail doesn't detract in the least from the quality of this episode. :)

AGateFan
August 11th, 2005, 04:24 PM
This is one of those episodes you watch and think, "how can anyone not like that. How can anyone say Stargate is just fluff sci-fi.". This was just a really really good ep. Mind you I am not a shipper either, infact I could almost be an anti-shipper as I beleive the military regs should be followed. However, in the context of this ep, I thought the relationship between the characters was played out perfectly. I just dont know how anyone can see that ep and not consider Stargate a wonderful show.

zats
August 11th, 2005, 05:57 PM
It always bugs me when people say that Stargate's only fluff. It has a certain levity, certainly, but there are also episodes--'Meridian', 'Abyss', 'Orpheus', 'Grace', 'Heroes', and 'Singularity', 'Forever in a Day', 'Solitudes' for starters--that are heartwrenching. It's not BSG-style edginess, but it's also not Tripping the Rift's, erm, irreverence, not by a long shot; more of a comfortable balance between the two. Pity so many critics and casual viewers tend to miss that.

A-bomb
August 22nd, 2005, 12:01 AM
If I ever make a list of most favourite stargate episodes, solitudes will be way up a the top. Solitudes holds a special place in my heart, as it is the very first stargate episode I ever watched, even though I missed the start. Ill never forget the night my dad came telling me to come watch some weirdo show called stargate (well thats what I thought at the time, and boy do I regret it :rolleyes: ). I went into the loungeroom and, even with the really crap reception, through all the static and reception I saw two of my to-be most favourite acters and characters in my life, lying in the snow and darkness, willing themselves to stay alive. Colonel Jack O'Neill and Captain Samantha Carter.

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 01:43 AM
This was the start of the whole Jack Sam thing so its pretty important episode!

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 09:52 PM
^^^^^It's my sidearm I swear!!! yeah, starts the whole sam/jack thing

Hulabaloo
September 14th, 2005, 12:05 PM
Yeah, it was like the birth of the whole Sam/Jack thing.

Metarock Sam
September 22nd, 2005, 03:26 PM
This ep wasnt only the start of the sam jack thing but also gave us more stargate/telephone analagies

Daniel(to Teal'c): What do you get when you ring your own number?
(Teal'c does the eyebrow thing looks puzzled.)
Daniel: Wrong person (turns to hammond)
Daniel: What do you get whne you ring your own number
Hammond (looking proud): you get a busy signal !!!

This episode also set the scene for eps such as frozen and the lost city (the outpost being in antarctica).

solar wind
December 7th, 2005, 11:45 AM
When Jack and Sam were digging out the DHD, what did Carter find when I think she said, 'Serpent guard, guess he didn't make it.' Did they find one of Apophis' frozen Jaffa? There was only the one mention and then they continued digging.

jckfan55
December 7th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Yes, that's what it seemed to be to me.

Major Clanger
December 18th, 2005, 09:02 AM
What's this Sam/Jack thing that everyone is speaking about?

jckfan55
December 18th, 2005, 11:51 AM
What's this Sam/Jack thing that everyone is speaking about?
I don't see it.

someonerandom
December 28th, 2005, 03:52 AM
many are convinced that jack and sam got heated up in more ways than one.. that's about it

Major Clanger
December 28th, 2005, 04:12 AM
really?

I've never noticed. but then... Ah, I am not talking about this ep any more.

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 04:21 PM
stuck on a glacier with MacGyver. amamnda tapping during a behind the scene show

good espiode and now we have 2 stargate and a dhd which sadly stopped working after the area 51 boys were playing with it

captain jake
April 19th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Jack is to proud to tell her that he is hurt showing his true colors.

Chelle DB
April 29th, 2006, 04:17 AM
[QUOTE=Capt.Mal Reynolds]stuck on a glacier with MacGyver. amamnda tapping during a behind the scene show

I so enjoyed watching the behind scene show almost more than the episode itself. Solitudes to me is one of my favorite eps. :cool:

Mickey23
May 1st, 2006, 12:26 PM
While I completely love stand-alone episodes because it is just the team solving the problem, I also love the episodes that add something significant to our knowledge about the Stargate universe. "The Torment of Tantalus" which shows the four great races and the "meaning of life stuff." "The Fifth Race," where we see the potential of where humanity on Earth can go. "Solitudes" is another, because it shows the second gate and gives us more information on the Goa'uld and their history on Earth. This is an important step in the building of the mythology of the gates, the Goa'uld, and eventually the Ancients.
But it also gives us wonderful character development. In the SGC, Daniel and Teal'c, and even to some extent Hammond, really care about the missing team members and do all they can to get them back. They don't just sit around and hope Jack and Sam are found. And Sam and Jack's relationship develops too (and I am not talking shippy here, just teammates). Jack knows he can rely on Sam, not only her intelligence and science knowledge, but also her military skills. Sam really cares about what happens to Jack as well. Sam doesn't want to leave Jack to go up to the surface, but she does only on his order. "Sam, I'm dying. Follow my order, please."
I really love the lines between them. "It was an honor serving with you." I love that she doesn't just say, oh me too, but just "Yes sir." And later, when Sam thinks it is helpless, she just whispers, "It was an honor serving with you too, Colonel."
The emotion throughout this episode is great and realistic. I love this episode more each time I watch it.

captain jake
May 2nd, 2006, 08:19 PM
Yes sam realy does show her abilitys on this mission.

Chelle DB
June 3rd, 2006, 01:42 AM
I though this was a kinda rushed ep. I wish it went on for a bit more. Loved the behind the scenes shot where AT does that thing about MacGyver!! I was amazed they stayed conscious for as long as they did considering they were in Antartica. Seriously though, I loved the show, just wish it went a bit longer.

captain jake
June 3rd, 2006, 02:14 AM
Well I don't think this had the potential to be a two parter and they only had 45 minutes. Another thing if they were there for much longer they would have been dead.

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 09:32 PM
i thought it was great to find a second stargate when they took the stargate did they take the DHD who knows i knew the russians have the one from giza

captain jake
July 26th, 2006, 05:32 PM
Well they bring the gate and the DHD back to area 51 where it is used by the NID (see touchstone). SG1 retrieves the gate and takes it back to the SGC where it is sealed back up. After we where forced to beam the Egyptian gate aboard the beliskner we brought the beta gate to the SGC where we used it for 2 years. Until Anubis attacked us which lead to us strapping it onto a glider and flying it far enough away to prevent the explosion from blowing up earth.

to answer your question the beta DHD eventually died simply because it was so old. (we did bring it back for a short while)

Dark Falcon
July 26th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Carter really was the tough one in this episode.
No matter how tired she was, she kept on fighting.
It truly showed us how committed she was, and still is,
to her duty.

captain jake
July 28th, 2006, 04:58 AM
Carter really was the tough one in this episode.
No matter how tired she was, she kept on fighting.
It truly showed us how committed she was, and still is,
to her duty.

Yep that's true!

One question why was Daniel the one figuring all this science stuff out? He figured out the gate jumping to a planet between earth and the planet they came from. He figured out the seismometer detecting the gate operation in Antarctica, that isn't really his area of expertise. I suppose tptb hadn't really figured out who Daniel was at that time.

Major Clanger
August 12th, 2006, 05:16 AM
Well I don't think this had the potential to be a two parter and they only had 45 minutes. Another thing if they were there for much longer they would have been dead.
... weeelllll they would have taken longer to die if only they'd been schlepping proper SOP kit around with them...

SamO'Neill
August 12th, 2006, 03:26 PM
I though this was a kinda rushed ep. I wish it went on for a bit more. Loved the behind the scenes shot where AT does that thing about MacGyver!! I was amazed they stayed conscious for as long as they did considering they were in Antartica. Seriously though, I loved the show, just wish it went a bit longer.

Yeah, this episode really highlights Sam. Although she eventually fails, it's her determination to Jack and her team.

And plus, who could not like all the Sam/Jack goodness?

Matt G
August 19th, 2006, 02:25 PM
... weeelllll they would have taken longer to die if only they'd been schlepping proper SOP kit around with them...

Yeah but they had presumably not expected to with up on an ice world/Antarctica during that mission therefore, they did not have suitable equipment for the conditions.

Merlin's_Legacy
August 19th, 2006, 09:09 PM
This is also one of my favorite episodes. Haven't seen it in a while but I'll address a few things that people bring up about this episode:

Dialing another address - First, they had just dialed Earth and had an apparently successful connection, so they knew nothing was wrong with the Earth gate. They were in a dire situation and what they knew of the Stargate at that time would lead them to believe it was impossible that there was a second gate on Earth. Second I remember, but it has been a while since I've seen this so I may be wrong, Carter saying something about the DHD might not even work if they could get it dug out. So I think it would be a logical assumption under the circumstances that the gate might not have been able to dial another address.

About the Antarctic gate being the primary gate because of the DHD - If a gate is buried it will not accept incoming connections even if a DHD is connected to make it the Primary gate. This is the chronology that seems to fit with the episode: The ancients left Earth and the gate was buried. The Goa'uld rise to a spacefaring level using Unas as hosts and the stargate network minus Earth. There are other humanoid species out there seeded by the ancients, but they are scattered and the Goa'uld do not encounter them. Ra finds Earth and brings a Stargate there, then we have the rise of the Human Goa'uld empire and the seeding of the stars with true Humans. Then we have the rebellion on Earth and Ra's stargate is lost and the planet is marked Off-limits by Ra. Apophis decides to test this and dials earth but unbeknownst to the Goa'uld the Antarctic gate has become unburied and the serpent guard is sent there. Unfortunately, the gate was buried for so long that the DHD never received a correlative update and could not successfully dial back out leaving the serpent guard trapped. Once the egypt gate was unburied and connected to our dialing computer it was back on the gate network and appeared to have a more up to date coordinate set so it became the dominant gate. We know that the antarctic gate was not able to receive wormholes without using a "gate jump" while the NID was using it because SG-1 discovered that they were using it by screening for the gate jump signature in the gate diagnostic logs. Obviously the guys at the NID were able to fix the dialing out issue but something kept that gate from resuming it's role as the dominant earth gate. We can assume it's a problem with eh DHD.

Well, that is more than I intended to type, but I think that accounts for most of the serious anomolies. The explanations seem to work ok with accepted canon.

Major Clanger
August 20th, 2006, 02:01 AM
Yeah but they had presumably not expected to with up on an ice world/Antarctica during that mission therefore, they did not have suitable equipment for the conditions.

will it get boring and repetitive if I keep shouting "SOPs"?
:D

SamO'Neill
September 10th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Well they bring the gate and the DHD back to area 51 where it is used by the NID (see touchstone). SG1 retrieves the gate and takes it back to the SGC where it is sealed back up. After we where forced to beam the Egyptian gate aboard the beliskner we brought the beta gate to the SGC where we used it for 2 years. Until Anubis attacked us which lead to us strapping it onto a glider and flying it far enough away to prevent the explosion from blowing up earth.

to answer your question the beta DHD eventually died simply because it was so old. (we did bring it back for a short while)

Thank you for your clarification.

Sam rocked in this episode.

And who didn't love the sidearm joke? ;)

solar wind
September 14th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Oh, the gate never received correlative updates so the Jaffa couldn't dial out! Sam explained that and that's why she reset the DHD isn't it? I'd forgotten or hadn't understood it at that point maybe. That's cool. Thanks Merlin's_Legacy.

LHB
October 8th, 2006, 11:17 PM
About them potentially dialing out using the 2nd gate and then re-dialing back to Earth:

I think the reason they might not have done it was

1. They might not have thought of it; Carter was convinced it was a DHD problem, not something larger
2. They didn't have a MALP; I think it was in the same episode but I'm not sure: Daniel mentioned how several of the planets that SG teams had visited were now no longer habitable, so it's safe to assume that they didn't want to get stranded in a place as hostile.

saberhagen83
October 14th, 2006, 10:38 AM
About them potentially dialing out using the 2nd gate and then re-dialing back to Earth:

I think the reason they might not have done it was

1. They might not have thought of it; Carter was convinced it was a DHD problem, not something larger
2. They didn't have a MALP; I think it was in the same episode but I'm not sure: Daniel mentioned how several of the planets that SG teams had visited were now no longer habitable, so it's safe to assume that they didn't want to get stranded in a place as hostile.

I think the 1st one pretty much covers why. Sam thought that they were transported to another planet, and that Daniel/Teal'c might have made it back to Earth. So I doubt she would have thought there was a 2nd gate on Earth, which is why she never tried dialing another planet. When they couldn't open the gate to Earth, she was conviced there was something wrong with the Gate and/or DHD.

This is one one my favourite eps through the years, one of the best of the 1st season. :)

deadmanjeff
November 15th, 2006, 04:40 PM
this ep is cool it's still the first season and they already found a second earth gate

DutchCarterLover
January 30th, 2007, 12:58 PM
How far are the two gates seperated from eachother?

I was amazed to see Jackson and Teal'c as part of the rescue team

m_wendy_r
January 30th, 2007, 02:24 PM
How far are the two gates seperated from eachother?

I'm not too sure if I understand the question. Do you mean where was the 2nd gate? It was in Antartica so not as far as the other side of the world far but there was quite a bit of distance.


I was amazed to see Jackson and Teal'c as part of the rescue team

Why? Because of their injuries?

I loved this episode. It was one of the strongest of the first season and it's very integral to the whole series and subsequent episodes.

Wendy
Hugs :)

bcfc
February 1st, 2007, 10:25 AM
Is the Antartic Gate the one their still using now being as the first one was destroyed.

Lida
February 1st, 2007, 10:36 AM
Um, I think so, biut here have been so mny changes, and my brain injury leaves gaps in my memory. Sorry.....

OpTiKaL
June 27th, 2007, 06:41 AM
I think Samantha Carter is exceedingly dumb in this episode, she could easily of tried dialing a friendly planet, but no, she had to keep on trying Earth over and over again...

garhkal
June 28th, 2007, 06:11 AM
Up to this point, iirc daniel always did the dialing and lots of times had to look at his note book to do so. SO i am wondering if she actually knew the addresses of some of those 'friendly planets'?

unska
August 23rd, 2007, 03:15 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-v9sCo7xZK0

sharnee_1823
August 23rd, 2007, 05:57 AM
I don't know if this has already been discussed somewhere or not, but I just read some of the posts and would like to add my own 2 cents:

a. Carter, even if she had thought of dialling another address, would not have been able to dial out to another planet anyway, as the Antarctic Stargate was inactive at the time - that is why, even though the Antarctic stargate had a DHD and would ordinarily "trump" the SGC gate, offworld SGC teams still came back to the SGC.

b. That the Antarctic gate was dormant is supported by the fact that Ra brought a gate to Earth - why bother if there is already a working one there? Also, Ra's gate wouldn't have worked had the Antarctic gate been working, but his did work.

c. No doubt that the trapped serpent guard at least tried to dial out to another planet, but couldn't - gate was inactive.

d. carter did manage to light up the stargate, but wouldn't have got further - i maintain no matter what she did, she coudn't have dialled out!

e. The NID did actually later get the Anarctic gate and DHD working. It would seem they somehow brought it out of dormancy. However they used it a few times, only to have the DHD run out of power not long after.

I think these points cover holes in the plot?

Theimmortaljedi
August 23rd, 2007, 03:05 PM
nicely put.

Major Clanger
August 24th, 2007, 12:06 PM
I think these points cover holes in the plot?


'cept for the HAT thing

ok, I'll get my coat
*runs away*

RobertF
March 2nd, 2008, 04:13 PM
Wow, great episode! I'm a newbie to the early seasons of SG1, and have been watching the Season 1 episodes thanks to Netflix. About 3/4 of the way through I began to suspect that O'Neil and Carter were on Earth (probably because the premise of SG Atlantis episodes I've watched is an Ancient base in Antarctica).

One of the interesting touches in the set design for this episode was the tunnel under the ice where O'Neil and Carter were stranded. Presumably the tunnel was carved out of the ice over the eons as the glacier moved past the stargate. If you knew how fast the ice was moving, you could estimate when the stargate was erected.

Verona
March 2nd, 2008, 04:36 PM
Welcome RobertF, Great point I never thought of that bit it makes sense now you point it out.

Colonel Crawford
March 2nd, 2008, 06:46 PM
My favorite episode, what can I say? I just love the feel of it. As much as I hate mushy-gushy stuff, its the first episode that you can clearly see that O'Neill and Carter love each other and I have to say they are meant for each other. Just my thoughts.

RobertF
March 3rd, 2008, 06:02 PM
My favorite episode, what can I say? I just love the feel of it. As much as I hate mushy-gushy stuff, its the first episode that you can clearly see that O'Neill and Carter love each other and I have to say they are meant for each other. Just my thoughts.

Don't forget the romantic interlude between O'Neil and Sam in "Broca's Divide"!

The observation that Carter should have dialed another planet is right on - I missed that myself. I guess you could argue that she and O'Neil were malnourished and sleep deprived and so weren't thinking clearly.

HelloVelo
June 1st, 2008, 11:53 PM
Sam and Jack's snuggle party made this episode. Very well done.

Rating: 9/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/06/solitudes.html

Ulkesh47
June 23rd, 2008, 10:59 PM
This is a pretty good episode with a great twist. It's also Siler's first appearance!

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 05:10 PM
First off let me say that I really like this episode.

However, the fact that daniel is the person who figures it all out is kind of troublesome. I mean i wish they had more experts that could help figure this stuff out like they do in future seasons. It seems like without SG-1 nothing would ever get done. I mean there are a lot of smart people in the world, wouldn't it be prudent to put them at that facility?

L E E
June 26th, 2008, 05:25 AM
I really enjoyed this ep!

Wonderful Jack scenes. What I really like about Jack is that his body may be broken, but his sense of humor is always in tact. And I greatly admire his command of Sam when Sam was panicking. He's so calm. I guess since he's a soldier he has learned accept the consequences of his job.

This the first ep where I really admired Sam. I felt her frustrations and despair.

jckfan55
June 26th, 2008, 09:16 AM
I really enjoyed this ep!

Wonderful Jack scenes. What I really like about Jack is that his body may be broken, but his sense of humor is always in tact. And I greatly admire his command of Sam when Sam was panicking. He's so calm. I guess since he's a soldier he has learned accept the consequences of his job.

This the first ep where I really admired Sam. I felt her frustrations and despair.

Good points. Jack shows himself as a strong leader. Sam was so determined to get Jack out of there (injured CO, not shippy, imho) and I think she learned a lot from O'Neill about not giving up.

captain jake
June 26th, 2008, 03:05 PM
I really enjoyed this ep!

Wonderful Jack scenes. What I really like about Jack is that his body may be broken, but his sense of humor is always in tact. And I greatly admire his command of Sam when Sam was panicking. He's so calm. I guess since he's a soldier he has learned accept the consequences of his job.

This the first ep where I really admired Sam. I felt her frustrations and despair.


Good points. Jack shows himself as a strong leader. Sam was so determined to get Jack out of there (injured CO, not shippy, imho) and I think she learned a lot from O'Neill about not giving up.

You both have mentioned Jack and Sam a lot, but I really thought this episode spoke volumes of Daniel and General Hammond. Daniel's inability to let go of his friends magnifies throughout the entire series. In my opinion Daniel takes the maternal role for Sam, Teal'c, and especially Jack. Hammond on the other hand showed the qualities that every General should have, that being the ability to detach from the men and women under his command.

pritnep
July 28th, 2008, 11:45 PM
An awesome episode, I liked this episode for a number of years and still after not having watched it for awhile it still delivers. An awesome storyline, good character development and acting, nice music and good shots and special effects relating to the stargate.

In regards to Sam not dialling another friendly planet all her scenarios she thought of didn't involve another gate being on earth. So I assume she thought if dialling earth didn't work then dialling another planet wouldn't either. But we all know the real explanation because the plot wouldn't of worked if they got home so quickly - they never would of realised they had a second gate (well at least not until much later).

I like how everyone at the SGC was pulling together, work longer, not sleeping and trying everything they could think of to rescue two of their own. Oh and Sgt. Silar's first episode, he got a pretty good role with a bit of speaking and such. I like how Gen. Hammond told him he had half the time and he said he couldn't class Cap. Kirk and Scotty right there.

I agree with captain jake Daniel just had that couldn't give up attitude and do anything to save his friends, probably especially since in a few episodes back they thought he was dead but still went back and found him.

Pic
August 17th, 2008, 08:07 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-v9sCo7xZK0

That blooper never gets old! :lol:

Yes, this is the episode filled with all kinds of warm fuzzy shippy-ness (in an ice cold "gotta-conserve-body-heat" kinda way).

I don't have any worthy comments to add. I agree that it's disconcerting that Daniel is the one to figure it out and that the SGC lacks the number of experts that come in later seasons. I'll just add some of the funniest dialogue btw Sam/Jack:

Sam: What's wrong with your chest?
Jack: I think I cracked a rib.
Sam: Why didn't you say something?
Jack: I was afraid you'd put a splint on it.
later...
Sam: Uh, Colonel
Jack: It's my sidearm, I swear.
(Sam laughs.)
Jack: No giggling!

RononXSpecialist
November 8th, 2008, 03:45 AM
Definitly A great episode. Plus it's the first sign of Jack and Sam's romanticness.

leiasky
November 9th, 2008, 10:50 PM
The sidearm comment is the funniest in this episode. And AT's Macgyver blooper is hysterical. The acting was great, the two of them quite tender toward one another. I think Sam and Jack have a good friendship at this point in the series and this experience just brings them closer together. I don't think they had feelings for one another at this point, but I do think the experience helped those feelings develop.

Groundsplitter
November 22nd, 2008, 10:34 AM
The observation that Carter should have dialed another planet is right on - I missed that myself. I guess you could argue that she and O'Neil were malnourished and sleep deprived and so weren't thinking clearly.That seems to be the most reasonable explanation, one that I have no problem whatsoever accepting - Sam was so desperately intent on getting home that all other possibilities completely slipped her mind.

It occurs to me, however, that the writers could have let her try to dial out without success even without complicated explanations involving inactive gates, buried gates, and/or one gate trumping another.

It's been quite a while now since I watched the first season (I only looked this discussion up to find an answer to a question from a friend, whom I recently introduced to SG-1), but weren't we told early on in the series that the reason why SGC, in the movie, was unable to dial other planets than Abydos was because of planetary drift? The planets, or rather the stars, had moved so much in 10000 years that the address to Abydos, in relatively close proximity to Earth, was the only address that still worked. That is, until the stargate was realigned to account for those 10000 years of planetary drift.

Well, in that case we have an easy explanation for why Sam couldn't have dialed out even if she had tried (and it allows us to imagine/pretend that she did, off-screen): the Antarctic stargate was obviously not realigned, so the only address that would have worked was the address to Abydos (if even that; the Antarctic gate has been buried for even longer, so maybe the drift was too severe for even the Abydos address to work).

VSS
November 22nd, 2008, 12:05 PM
That seems to be the most reasonable explanation, one that I have no problem whatsoever accepting - Sam was so desperately intent on getting home that all other possibilities completely slipped her mind.

It occurs to me, however, that the writers could have let her try to dial out without success even without complicated explanations involving inactive gates, buried gates, and/or one gate trumping another.

It's been quite a while now since I watched the first season (I only looked this discussion up to find an answer to a question from a friend, whom I recently introduced to SG-1), but weren't we told early on in the series that the reason why SGC, in the movie, was unable to dial other planets than Abydos was because of planetary drift? The planets, or rather the stars, had moved so much in 10000 years that the address to Abydos, in relatively close proximity to Earth, was the only address that still worked. That is, until the stargate was realigned to account for those 10000 years of planetary drift.

Well, in that case we have an easy explanation for why Sam couldn't have dialed out even if she had tried (and it allows us to imagine/pretend that she did, off-screen): the Antarctic stargate was obviously not realigned, so the only address that would have worked was the address to Abydos (if even that; the Antarctic gate has been buried for even longer, so maybe the drift was too severe for even the Abydos address to work).

Oh, nice explanation. That gate would indeed have been way off. On the other hand, does anyone remember the "correlative updates" the gates supposedly all did? It was mentioned in Avenger 2.0. Some how Earth went offline and was never able to be correlated, I guess, but I don't remember the explanation for that.

In the initial episodes I remember that they were only able to update one or two addresses a month, so it's possible Sam couldn't even remember any other gates to dial- there was no Alpha site. But I agree that the whole concept of dialing to another world was just not something anyone had ever though of, yet. And she had to keep trying to dial home in order to get the "busy signal" that caused the gate to shake back at the SGC- or else Daniel wouldn't have been able to figure it out.

_Ancients_
February 9th, 2009, 11:07 AM
So...Someone answer if this could have been a possible solution to their problem.

Instead of having to fly a rescue crew in from McMurdo, could they have done this? Could they have dialed the Alpha site and sent a rescue crew through. Then shut the stargate down at the SGC, then had the rescue crew dial Earth from the Alpha site. Wouldn't the gate at Antarctica been the gate to pick up the dial? If I understand the "gate jumping" theory, wouldn't this work? I was just thinking that it would have saved them some time. Then they could have fired the SGC Stargate back up once they had reached the Antarctic gate.

Anyways, just an idea that crossed my mind.

Ulkesh47
February 14th, 2009, 12:31 PM
So...Someone answer if this could have been a possible solution to their problem.

Instead of having to fly a rescue crew in from McMurdo, could they have done this? Could they have dialed the Alpha site and sent a rescue crew through. Then shut the stargate down at the SGC, then had the rescue crew dial Earth from the Alpha site. Wouldn't the gate at Antarctica been the gate to pick up the dial? If I understand the "gate jumping" theory, wouldn't this work? I was just thinking that it would have saved them some time. Then they could have fired the SGC Stargate back up once they had reached the Antarctic gate.

Anyways, just an idea that crossed my mind.
I'm not sure when the Alpha Site was first established. It existed by the time of "The Serpent's Lair" but it's up for debate when it was created.

However, by any means, it's a valid theory... and even if the Alpha Site wasn't used they could use a friendly planet like the Land of Light.

gateship15
February 14th, 2009, 11:26 PM
this was a good episode i liked the other gate story. u also got to see more of sam and jacks relationship

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 10:10 AM
i love the out take for this episode :D brilliant episode all around

Descent
March 1st, 2009, 04:25 PM
I'm not sure when the Alpha Site was first established. It existed by the time of "The Serpent's Lair" but it's up for debate when it was created.

I'm pretty sure the Alpha site did not exist at this point. Anyways, just got done rewatching this one and it was fantastic. Holds up very well.

Sam pretending to be Sarah for Jack was a very touching moment. :o

Dinoman
March 2nd, 2009, 04:41 PM
I love this episode, I can rewatch and rewatch it over and over again! Love Jack's optimism and his encouragement to Sam under such an adverse condition. Many many good one-liners. Of course, the MacGyver joke was a bonus.

Pharaoh Atem
March 2nd, 2009, 04:51 PM
I love this episode, I can rewatch and rewatch it over and over again! Love Jack's optimism and his encouragement to Sam under such an adverse condition. Many many good one-liners. Of course, the MacGyver joke was a bonus.

yea i miss the old days

shinysign
March 7th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Great great episode, one of my favorites, well written, great acting. Imagine the surprise of both of them when they wake up and find out they were on earth the whole time.

I wish I could have seen them react to the fact that they were on earth, though it probably would have made the ending not as dramatic, and I liked it ending with the rescue.

Amazing what they could do even in their first season without seasons and seasons of character development. It fits with the later episodes too - it could have aired in the later seasons and still fit (not technology wise, but in character development and depth).

morjana
March 18th, 2009, 05:53 PM
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gateship15
March 21st, 2009, 09:24 PM
i agree i like the rescue to i also like the fact the found another gate one that came in handy in future episodes

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 03:51 PM
one of the best episodes of the season. the finding of the second gate was great for the series.

Coela Bellatore
April 20th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Please don't destroy me as this is my first post. Most forums, especially ones on a specific and frequent television show, tend to be hostile to noobies.

Funny thing about SOP's: I have had to spoon with another airman for warmth before on a patrol (a dude, no delicious blond officers for me). We cross-train with PJ's a lot and they teach us to spoon with maximum body to body contact. Sam's sort of snuggling next to him would have added almost no warmth. I know he was injured but she should have been wrapped around him like she wanted to be in the Broca Divide. That would have probably been a bit suggestive for TV, you forget these things when your around dudes all the time.

The side arm joke could have been even funnier. Later when she is fretting over his hemorrhaging he should have been like: "I'm fine, I lied about the sidearm thing." There is an official, ok unofficial but what we call "field official", test for hemorrhaging as it is impossible if you are losing a significant amount of blood. Nobody but us AFSF would have gotten it though.

Ulkesh47
June 12th, 2009, 04:08 PM
Is the Antartic Gate the one their still using now being as the first one was destroyed.


Um, I think so, biut here have been so mny changes, and my brain injury leaves gaps in my memory. Sorry.....
Nope. The Antarctic Gate was the gate that was destroyed. To this day, the Giza gate resides in the SGC Gate Room.

Here's a list of both gates' locations over the course of the series.

GIZA GATE
1. Egypt ("Stargate")
2. USS Achilles ("Continuum")
3. New York, or wherever Ernest went through ("The Torment of Tantalus")
4. Washington D.C. ("1969")
5. SGC ("Stargate" through "Nemesis")
6. Thor's Ship ("Nemesis")
7. The bottom of the Pacific Ocean
8. Siberia ("Watergate")
9. Back at SGC ("Redemption" through Present)

ANTARCTIC GATE
1. Antarctica ("Solitudes")
2. Area 51 ("Touchstone")
3. Idaho, or wherever that NID warehouse was ("Touchstone")
4. Back in storage ("Touchstone")
5. SGC ("Small Victories" through "Redemption")
6. Space, exploded ("Redemption")

Mis.Understood
June 18th, 2009, 02:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdY3L-JYzkHas anyone seen the 'blooper' for this episode.....I couldn't stop laughing.

It's brilliant :cool:

WishIwasJoes
June 18th, 2009, 08:09 AM
Really great episode! I felt cold just watching it. I also liked how Carter was so sure they were on some kind of ice planet. :lol: It was so sad when Jack was getting really bad there and called out his ex wifes name. In this season he still really misses her alot.

leiasky
June 18th, 2009, 09:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdY3L-JYzkHas anyone seen the 'blooper' for this episode.....I couldn't stop laughing.

It's brilliant :cool:

Yeah, its hysterical. I wish they would release a special dvd of bloopers.

Coronach
June 18th, 2009, 09:39 AM
Yeah, its hysterical. I wish they would release a special dvd of bloopers.

I agree...this blooper was so funny when I first saw it :P.

Mis.Understood
June 22nd, 2009, 05:52 AM
Yeah, its hysterical. I wish they would release a special dvd of bloopers.

I agree.
Some behind the scene stuff too. I'd like to know how long it took to do the make-up for the Unus etc.

Thunder Hawk
June 22nd, 2009, 10:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdY3L-JYzkHas anyone seen the 'blooper' for this episode.....I couldn't stop laughing.

It's brilliant :cool:

i didn't think that was online ...cool :D

gateship15
June 29th, 2009, 07:18 AM
lol that blooper was so funny i almost fell of my seat

lordofseas
July 31st, 2009, 04:59 PM
Lol, it was indeed hilarious. Build a nuclear reactor, for cryin' out loud!

hedwig
July 31st, 2009, 08:49 PM
Yeah, its hysterical. I wish they would release a special dvd of bloopers.

I've been wishing that for a loooong time. But at least there's a good start made on bloopers on the MGM site. Now, if they'd just add Seasons 1 thru 8 to the site, it'd be great! :D

lordofseas
August 2nd, 2009, 09:44 PM
I've been wishing that for a loooong time. But at least there's a good start made on bloopers on the MGM site. Now, if they'd just add Seasons 1 thru 8 to the site, it'd be great! :D

That would be awesome. Too bad they didn't release one with the box set. Let's hope with the SG-1 3rd movie.

sgjoli
September 8th, 2009, 11:15 PM
I love this episode but I´d like to watch it in origin some time (unfortunately this episode I´ve got in Czech)

I like the scene when Jack´s lying on the ground and while having fever and being little bit out of mind he´s calling his wife Sara. Instead of her Sam calms him down that she´s there.

Tachyon
November 29th, 2009, 07:26 AM
The best episode from season 1, if you ask me. If I had not known about the gate in Antarctica before seeing this episode, I would have enjoyed this even more. However, loved it nonetheless.

Jack and Sam are great together in this episode. Daniel had his moments as well when figuring out where to find the two. And even Hammie got out of his office. A great story to watch from the beginning to an end. :)

Major Clanger
November 30th, 2009, 10:07 AM
Despite what I often say about it, and will not mention here, it is a good ep. It shows Sam in a particularly good light, I think, and brings home just how isolated Jack is.

However - the niggles I have about their SOP really kick in when I watch it, so usually I end up just gnashing my teeth, biting my knuckles and having things thrown at me.

Skydiver
November 30th, 2009, 10:31 AM
you mean those pesky hats

or lack there of :)

AresLover452
November 30th, 2009, 11:16 AM
The best episode from season 1, if you ask me. If I had not known about the gate in Antarctica before seeing this episode, I would have enjoyed this even more. However, loved it nonetheless.

Jack and Sam are great together in this episode. Daniel had his moments as well when figuring out where to find the two. And even Hammie got out of his office. A great story to watch from the beginning to an end. :)


This was a great eppy. I loved it.

There is a blooper running around YouTube for this episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIdBP0r1nnw

very very funny!!

Major Clanger
November 30th, 2009, 11:26 AM
you mean those pesky hats

or lack there of :)

the hats are only the start of it...

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 10:31 PM
great ep. did anyone else see the extras were sam said something about jack should be able to do it because he is mac gyver

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 10:35 PM
The link tot hat is posted twice above.. lol!! once by e and then further up. I love that part.

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 10:37 PM
lol i love when they do those kind of things in another show they were doing halloween and the guy dressed as a character from another movie he was in it was funny. this is a great ep i felt sorry for them because after everything they went thro they were on earth the hole time

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 10:43 PM
That was kinda sad, but in the end things worked out. Sam and Jack got with the snugglies for warmth and in the end she wnet back to his side until help came.

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 10:51 PM
yes it showed how much he meant to her

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 10:54 PM
Yup... and that bond only grew and grew and grew!!

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 11:01 PM
yep forbidden love best kind

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 11:02 PM
yup! and the most frustrating... for all parties.

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 11:04 PM
i think by the end almost everyone had figured it out

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 11:09 PM
Well they should have... or they were stupid... lol!!

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 11:10 PM
i know teal'c did and danial

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 11:13 PM
Yeah, well sam and jack were my first ship ever and it was only reinforced because of this eppy.

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 11:15 PM
true i think there love but can't love was great

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 11:18 PM
Yeah, and then they were able to love... lol!!

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 11:24 PM
thats when people lose interest when they can

AresLover452
December 1st, 2009, 11:27 PM
Not me... Ooh No.... I would have loved to them able to try and have a relationship through everything. i would have loved it, but that is me.

gateship15
December 1st, 2009, 11:30 PM
i agree not me either but for some it turns them off

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 12:39 PM
I know, *sigh* that's why I love the little snippets we see of the being closer than Co and subordinate.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 01:36 PM
i agree

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 01:49 PM
This one was the best of it though, no kissing, but they got with the snugglies.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 02:03 PM
lol yes that was the best

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 02:06 PM
It was.

but man I felt for Sam when she slipped and slid back all the way to her Colonel.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 02:09 PM
yes that got to hurt

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 02:11 PM
And cold. I saw on the Special features that on the sound stage they turned off all the heaters and what not to make things really cold.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 02:17 PM
wow it would have been freezing

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 02:21 PM
Yeah, I think they brought in actual Ice and things to simulate the frozen crevice of the iceberg.... I think.. lol!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 02:25 PM
wow they really do go all out

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 02:31 PM
I would have to watch the SF again to be sure, but I think that is what they said.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 03:03 PM
i guess they wanted to make it as real as possible

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 03:05 PM
and that is what Makes Stargate Awesome!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 03:07 PM
yep because u can almost believe it

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 03:13 PM
You know it.

One thing that phreaked me out was finding that preserved Jaffa hand.... eww...

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 03:15 PM
i know ewww. i wander how he lost it

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 03:21 PM
I think it was part of a whole person but we only saw the shot of the hand.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 03:22 PM
so i wander how he lost his life.

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 03:23 PM
well he was frozen. i think that Serpent guard was a little slow in escaping through the gate. so he got left behind and finally he got frozen into the ice.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 03:29 PM
lol horrible way to die

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 03:47 PM
uh uh... no way.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 03:58 PM
it would have been cold and lonely

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 04:02 PM
Just a little bit. Though the symbiot in his gut would never be able to take a human host and ascend to the rank of God and cause the universe more chaos.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 04:03 PM
true in that way i guess it was better he died

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 04:05 PM
yeah, but still sad for the Jaffa.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 04:34 PM
true the jaffa is just being used. its not its fault

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 04:40 PM
Yeah, Ooh I felt sorry for Daniel when he came flying out of the gate... OUCH!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 04:41 PM
i did to it must of hurt.

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 04:56 PM
Teal'c walked away with nothing but a dislocated shoulder, Daniel got his head cracked like a cantaloupe

leiasky
December 2nd, 2009, 04:58 PM
I have the script for this episode. When I have time, I'll have to watch the episode and go through the script to see if there are any differences.

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 05:04 PM
I have the script for this episode. When I have time, I'll have to watch the episode and go through the script to see if there are any differences.


That is awesome!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 05:31 PM
yea it is. oo and don't forget teal'c can handle more then daniel because of his build

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 05:53 PM
Oh yeah, and well that symbiot in his gut that aids in healing

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 06:03 PM
yes what did they call it. it had a name

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 06:06 PM
a primta... I think that's what an infant Goa'uld is called.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 06:08 PM
yes but the team named it junior

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 06:21 PM
Oh yeha.. lol!!

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 06:23 PM
i think it was a sad day when junior had to go

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 06:28 PM
Yeah but he wouldn't have to worry about finding another one with the drug he was taking.

gateship15
December 2nd, 2009, 06:59 PM
true he was better off but i liked junior

AresLover452
December 2nd, 2009, 07:02 PM
Cause it saved his life... lol!!