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GateWorld
September 18th, 2009, 01:27 PM
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To save everyone on board a crashing ship the Doctor must change the heart of a bitter old man who controls the planet's clouds -- and who is holding has a beautiful young woman in cryonic stasis in his home.

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Teddybrown
December 25th, 2010, 10:08 AM
Just watched the Christmas Special, but dont know where to post,theres no official thread. So I might as well post here.

Well worth the wait. Something a little different, but different is good
I loved the new spin on the the Scrooge story.
Michael Gambon was brilliant as the grumpy old man (cant remember his name)
Katherine Jenkins did get a bit boring with her singing though lol

And bloody hell, series 6 looks awesome!
The Ood are back!
And the Doctors going Wild Wild West

Reefgirl
December 25th, 2010, 10:12 AM
Overall this was much better than the others over the years, Michael Gambon was great as Scrooge, although Mr R says Patrick Stewart could do it better. The only thing that ruined it for me was Katherine £$%&!#& Jenkins, I'm sick to death of the sight of her this xmas, She can't bloody act either.

I'm so looking forward to the new series, looks really goodeven Mr R was interested in the Nazi episode, and he never watches DW

pbellosom
December 25th, 2010, 10:29 AM
My favourite Special remains Christmas Invasion, but this is not just a close second but also the only one that really comes close. Wow, what an episode. Slightly confused as to why the Reapers didn't appear, but can live with it as the episode was awesome!

Flyboy
December 25th, 2010, 11:25 AM
Brilliant Christmas tale in the spirit of decades gone by!

I loved this story so much, and despite not being a roller coaster ride, it's become my favourite of all the Xmas Specials.

Matt G
December 25th, 2010, 02:01 PM
1. Good point about the Reapers. *interstellar ship entering plothole*

2. Ignoring plothole(let's assume that what the Doctor did wasn't big enough to get the Reaper's attention) his plan was pretty solid in theory - just blew up in his face due to something neither he nor I would have thought to double check.

3. Having said that, why wouldn't Sardek snr not have given Karzan control over the cloud machine? Karzen effectively became if not the same person in each timeline, then, well...as the Doctor said, he wasn't different enough and I'd dare say, not different enough for his father to notice.

4. Not too sure what I make of the ep being partially used to showcase some opera singer but that part of the story was solid enough.

Overall, a very different take on the Xmas specials and definately fun

DigiFluid
December 25th, 2010, 03:02 PM
Welp, file me under "extremely disappointed". After the fantastic Series 31 (and the Christmas Specials of years past) I had pretty high expectations for this. But in the end it was just boring :(

Ian-S
December 25th, 2010, 03:46 PM
clever that they incorporated the words "silence will fall" into the song the opera singer was singing.

Admiral Mappalazarou
December 25th, 2010, 04:08 PM
clever that they incorporated the words "silence will fall" into the song the opera singer was singing.

Ha! I didn't notice that.

This was the best Christmas special and one of the emotive episodes ever, emotive in regards to the Sardick/Abigail story. Great job from the cast and crew, and of course the Moff. Great CGI, incredible little story, wonderful dialogue and overall just an enjoyable ride to tie us over until the series returns, whilst at all times keeping to the theme of Christmas without having it too cheesy and overwhelmingly childlike. What this episode does very well and shifts the focus almost completely to the Doctor, unlike previous episodes which have often flipped between him and his companions in different places to further the story, and hat-off to Matt who once again cemented his place as one of the greatest and most lovable Doctors (even after just one series).

I think since Moff's intervention after the Specials this show has really reopened its doors to its dedicated veteran followers, as well as the next generation of Whovians. Well, well worth the wait (which is more than I could say for The End of Time). Bring on Series 6.

pbellosom
December 25th, 2010, 04:23 PM
clever that they incorporated the words "silence will fall" into the song the opera singer was singing.

Didn't notice that, did like when Sardik refereed to the people in the vaults as "Surplus Population" wonder how many other Christmas Carol references were in there that I didn't get...

Did anyone else think the sound mix was a bit off here, a lot of the Doctor's funniest lines I only just caught and then I had to repeat them back to the family because they didn't hear it and just got my laughter. The one I remember best was the one about either kissing the girl or going back to your room to invent a new type of screwdriver: "learn from my mistake".

jameshawking
December 26th, 2010, 01:44 AM
The Reapers may have very well not shown up because, simply...he wasn't that big of a deal. The Reapers showed up in force because the situations changed the life of not only a time traveler, but Rose Tyler, who eventually became...well...the super-power that she is/was. The size of the change that would amount from indirectly affecting Amy Pond (in a non-paradoxical way) by if she lived/died there, and between changing the existing Rose, may simply have been vastly different

In other words, it could be a Companion/Time Lord/etc thing where Reapers will exist, yeah, but you only see them like that when the Doctor or his companions themselves are changed.

pbellosom
December 26th, 2010, 05:29 AM
I can buy that explanation. Thanks.

Pharaoh Atem
December 26th, 2010, 06:03 PM
LOOOOVED IT

this was the best one so far =) moffat has a really good grip on time travel and using it so it makes sense.

Replicator Todd
December 26th, 2010, 06:30 PM
Definitely one of my favorite Doctor Who episodes. I think this one is actually the most Christmas-y off all the specials. While I loved last years The End of Time, this one in time may actually grow to my favorite Christmas Special.

MattSilver 3k
December 26th, 2010, 06:40 PM
Awesome-coated awesome with a Christmassy filling.

Cold Fuzz
December 26th, 2010, 07:47 PM
Awesome-coated awesome with a Christmassy filling.

I did like the special quite a bit. My one criticism would be that Amy & Rory didn't get as much involvement in the story as I would have liked. Other than that, it was something wonderfully appropriate for the season.

Pharaoh Atem
December 26th, 2010, 10:01 PM
Why was Amy and rory wearing past season clothing? I didn't understand that

lordofseas
December 26th, 2010, 10:38 PM
I liked it.

DigiFluid
December 27th, 2010, 12:42 AM
Why was Amy and rory wearing past season clothing? I didn't understand that
Honeymoon.

Flyboy
December 27th, 2010, 03:29 AM
Why was Amy and rory wearing past season clothing? I didn't understand that

I'll tell you when you're older... ;)

Coco Pops
December 27th, 2010, 04:27 AM
But thinking of the special one thing stands out and it's bugged me a little is the bending of some rules.. For instance in the last series young Amy gets to meet her Older self and touch and no paradox and no "time eating monkeys that bite your ass" same for the old geezer in this christmas meeting his younger self..

Coco Pops
December 27th, 2010, 04:38 AM
I understand what kept the fish airborne but what kept the buggy aloft?

ipfnd
December 27th, 2010, 07:59 AM
Really enjoyed this episode. And the fact that we watched it the same day (more or less) as the Brits was great.

Replicator Todd
December 27th, 2010, 09:57 AM
Why was Amy and rory wearing past season clothing? I didn't understand that

:weiranime42: They were having...erm....some fun.

Admiral Mappalazarou
December 27th, 2010, 10:36 AM
:weiranime42: They were having...erm....some fun.

Indeed. It was suggestive in that they were 'roleplaying' in the 'honeymoon suite'.

I noticed also that the Doctor has traded in his Series 5 suede jacket for a slightly different one. I thought it looked different on all of the promotional pics. Whereas the Series 5 edition was purely brown, this new one is brighter and bears a line-design across it.

pbellosom
December 27th, 2010, 01:56 PM
I understand what kept the fish airborne but what kept the buggy aloft?

This was bugging me as well

Coco Pops
December 27th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Really enjoyed this episode. And the fact that we watched it the same day (more or less) as the Brits was great.


Same here. For once the ABC got it's crap together and we actually had a Christmas special during Christmas

Pharaoh Atem
December 27th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Indeed. It was suggestive in that they were 'roleplaying' in the 'honeymoon suite'.

I guess I missed that all I saw was them on the ship

Coco Pops
December 27th, 2010, 06:53 PM
Indeed. It was suggestive in that they were 'roleplaying' in the 'honeymoon suite'.



Best post ever haha...... Roleplaying. One can only imagine, or maybe not want to. haha :p :P

jameshawking
December 27th, 2010, 06:55 PM
But thinking of the special one thing stands out and it's bugged me a little is the bending of some rules.. For instance in the last series young Amy gets to meet her Older self and touch and no paradox and no "time eating monkeys that bite your ass" same for the old geezer in this christmas meeting his younger self..At that point the entire universe was in shambles and falling apart anyway. Honestly the entire thing was screwy, so they simply may have been eating everything else.

The entire universe itself was coming apart from things within that universe. I'll just stick with "it was erasing itself anyway"


I guess I missed that all I saw was them on the ship
You didn't see them in the suite, no.

Coco Pops
December 27th, 2010, 09:57 PM
At that point the entire universe was in shambles and falling apart anyway. Honestly the entire thing was screwy, so they simply may have been eating everything else.

The entire universe itself was coming apart from things within that universe. I'll just stick with "it was erasing itself anyway"





Yeah but older Sardik touching younger Sardik should have caused chaos.... The universe isn't in shambles this time. Unless the reapers are all destroyed now.

P-90_177
December 28th, 2010, 02:14 AM
Yeah but older Sardik touching younger Sardik should have caused chaos.... The universe isn't in shambles this time. Unless the reapers are all destroyed now.

In Fathers Day that wasn't what caused the reapers to arrive in the first place. It only made them stronger. What made them show up was the original problem was Rose saving her dad. This would indicate that multiple paradoxes are required.

You're also forgetting that though the Doctor recognised the Reapers, he seemed shocked they were there. Therefore you can imagine that they don't arrive every single time there's a paradox. Just occasionally.

There's also the possibilitiy that the Doctor can use some jiggery pokery with his TARDIS to ensure they don't show up. Certainly in his shiny new one. Afterall the 11th Doctor seems not to be bothered by paradoxes. In fact in this episode he went out of the way to create one.

GodAtum
December 28th, 2010, 11:07 AM
I was wondering why if the old guy was such a good businessman why he didnt try to make money out of the ship. He could of held it to ransom!

pbellosom
December 28th, 2010, 11:53 AM
Y was wondering why if the old guy was such a good businessman why he didnt try to make money out of the ship. he could of held it to ranson!

Actually that's an insanely good point.

Coco Pops
December 28th, 2010, 12:02 PM
Actually that's an insanely good point.


Ditto. Didn't notice that the first time around but yeah I agree.

BTW I LOVE THE KATHERINE JENKINS SONG....... HOPE IT GETS PUT ON A CD SOMEWHERE.

Lant3an
December 28th, 2010, 12:39 PM
i guess he was tired of life and he had enough money, so there was no reason to make a buisness out of it, plus i think it was more thrilling for him to let the ship crash...

SaberBlade
December 28th, 2010, 01:59 PM
Why was Amy and rory wearing past season clothing? I didn't understand that

Aww, that's so adorable.


Ditto. Didn't notice that the first time around but yeah I agree.

BTW I LOVE THE KATHERINE JENKINS SONG....... HOPE IT GETS PUT ON A CD SOMEWHERE.

This Christmas Special is getting it's own soundtrack, mainly due to wanting to capitalise on her vocals.

Draygon
December 28th, 2010, 02:27 PM
I thought this was one of the most well done and subtly crafted episodes I've seen in a while. I enjoyed the subtle twisting of "A Christmas Carol", especially how they worked the Christmas Future, it was a very surprising twist that I certainly didn't see coming! Michael Gambon appeared to be having great fun in his role :P
For those criticising Katherine Jenkins, this was her first major ventures into acting, and frankly I'm impressed. She played her part very convincingly and successfully. There are certainly worse professional actors out there!

Also, I want a pet Fog Fish! They look so adorable! :D

Sealurk
December 28th, 2010, 04:49 PM
I thought this was one of the most well done and subtly crafted episodes I've seen in a while. I enjoyed the subtle twisting of "A Christmas Carol", especially how they worked the Christmas Future, it was a very surprising twist that I certainly didn't see coming! Michael Gambon appeared to be having great fun in his role :P

Agreed. I thought this was a truly fantastic episode. Gambon was fantastic, and very nearly stole every scene from Matt Smith, which in my book is saying something. His lines were well written and delivered impeccably. Throughout the episode, I thought the humour was excellent but never felt overdone ("Marilyn, get your coat!") and the concepts were brilliant (fog-fish? controllable clouds? frozen people as security?). Moffat handles time travel so well it's amazing. While I thought Amy and Rory were a little under used, they were still great and Darvill finally got a much deserved title credit! Best of all, Matt Smith seems more comfortable than ever in the role of the Doctor.


For those criticising Katherine Jenkins, this was her first major ventures into acting, and frankly I'm impressed. She played her part very convincingly and successfully. There are certainly worse professional actors out there!

Also, I want a pet Fog Fish! They look so adorable! :D

What, even the big coloured ones? Still chuckling at "Fine! Focus on the negatives!". Matt Smith has fantastic comic timing and delivery.

Pharaoh Atem
December 28th, 2010, 04:54 PM
Aww, that's so adorable.

ls.

well sorry next time i'll make sure i'm wide awake before watching a ep :P

Draygon
December 29th, 2010, 12:48 AM
What, even the big coloured ones? Still chuckling at "Fine! Focus on the negatives!". Matt Smith has fantastic comic timing and delivery.
:D Yes, even a big coloured one! :D *wonders if she could fit a Fog-shark in her bedroom.....*

Coco Pops
December 29th, 2010, 02:37 AM
AGAIN I LOVE THE KATHERINE JENKINS SONG. And highly reccommend you get her CDs she's fantastic.

Did anyone notice they fit the words "silence will fall" into that song?

Ian-S
December 29th, 2010, 04:14 PM
Did anyone notice they fit the words "silence will fall" into that song?


yes (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?78942-A-Christmas-Carol-(-2010)&p=12195074&viewfull=1#post12195074), but only us two it seems lol.

Replicator Todd
December 29th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Did anyone notice they fit the words "silence will fall" into that song?

Yes, but didn't catch it the first time I watched it.

Coco Pops
December 29th, 2010, 06:19 PM
Didn't notice that, did like when Sardik refereed to the people in the vaults as "Surplus Population" wonder how many other Christmas Carol references were in there that I didn't get...

Did anyone else think the sound mix was a bit off here, a lot of the Doctor's funniest lines I only just caught and then I had to repeat them back to the family because they didn't hear it and just got my laughter. The one I remember best was the one about either kissing the girl or going back to your room to invent a new type of screwdriver: "learn from my mistake".



Yes the sound was a bit all over the place and very toned down. You couldn't hear Matt speaking much at all sometimes and I had to turn my TV up when I watched it again just to catch his lines.

Oh and listened to that wonderful song again and I think we (including me) are hearing things. She never sings "silence will fall" but sings "when you are alone silence surrounds you" I don't know how we all got this idea that "silence will fall" is in the song lyrics... Though it would have been cool if it was....

Ian-S
December 31st, 2010, 06:28 AM
It was the bit at the end of Confidential where the words jumped out at me, it was very clear (perhaps the lack of 5.1 on BBC3 made it easier to catch) so I went back and watched the same scene from the BBC One HD recording of the episode and the scene was the same, but as many say the audio more messed up and it wasn't so clear.

Maybe it wasn't silence will fall, but it sure sounded like it, also the camera is to far away from her to lip read, but in Confidential they said the rough cut she sung to in the filming of the scene was different to the final score used in the episode so reading her lips could even be a red herring, the impression I got was they went back and changed some of the song to better fit the story (hmm, pass me my tin foil hat please).

Wayston
December 31st, 2010, 06:58 AM
I liked the floating fishies, that's some good imagination

Utopia!
January 2nd, 2011, 11:12 AM
I liked the floating fishies, that's some good imagination

I agree with you! They were so cute (well, the shark was less cute than the other fish, but she was cute nonetheless :P)!

I loved watching the episode! The best Christmas special yet! :D The actors' performance was absolutely amazing, the story was really good and "christmassy", though, it was a bit sad at the End.
And Abigail's song... I can't stop myself listening to it over and over again ! xD



When you're alone Silence is all you see!
When you're alone, silence is all you'll be.
Give me your hand and come to me.

When you are here, music is all around.
When you are near, music is all around.

Open your eyes, don't make a sound.

Let in the shadow, let in the shadow,
Let in the light of your bright shadow.
Let in the shadow, let in the shadow.
Let in the light of your bright shadow... ♥

Coco Pops
January 2nd, 2011, 12:52 PM
Me too I love the song and see nowhere does it say "silence will fall" but that would have been cool if it had.. Why does everyone still think this?

Utopia!
January 6th, 2011, 09:13 AM
Me too I love the song and see nowhere does it say "silence will fall" but that would have been cool if it had.. Why does everyone still think this?

I posted the lyrics on my previous post and indeed, it does not say "Silence Will Fall".
But actually, the sentence "Silence is all you'll be" could be a reference to "Silence Will Fall", when we think about it...

padr49904
January 8th, 2011, 04:45 PM
This was a really good episode despite it being sad. I finally remembered the other day that it came out and watched it last night. It was a good episode and showed the doctor didn't really care if he changed the past anymore. This could be because what he changed wasn't that important, but I think it was because no one can control the sky anymore because of it and it would be harder to land on that planet.

My friend remarked about the song when we were talking about it today and she said the song had to be the best part.
Spoilers for the end of the episode
She also mentioned they never actually showed the end so the lady there could still be alive. Anyone else also notice that she lost a day every time she came out for a couple hours, was it because it went down every time the door was opened or it just counted hours or so???
I liked this because it wasn't very amy/rory centered and as a matter of fact I don't really like them that much. And where did they get the roman costume and the cop one?? She had them in the alternate timeline but when it changed wouldn't her life of been different? And Rory probably lost his roman costume a long, long time before the end of the last season.

Coco Pops
January 8th, 2011, 06:59 PM
This was a really good episode despite it being sad. I finally remembered the other day that it came out and watched it last night. It was a good episode and showed the doctor didn't really care if he changed the past anymore. This could be because what he changed wasn't that important, but I think it was because no one can control the sky anymore because of it and it would be harder to land on that planet.

My friend remarked about the song when we were talking about it today and she said the song had to be the best part.
Spoilers for the end of the episode
She also mentioned they never actually showed the end so the lady there could still be alive. Anyone else also notice that she lost a day every time she came out for a couple hours, was it because it went down every time the door was opened or it just counted hours or so???
I liked this because it wasn't very amy/rory centered and as a matter of fact I don't really like them that much. And where did they get the roman costume and the cop one?? She had them in the alternate timeline but when it changed wouldn't her life of been different? And Rory probably lost his roman costume a long, long time before the end of the last season.



She had some kind of illness as well as her body being used as collatoral for the old grumpy codger. And that is also why those numbers counted down the numbers being days.

I'm going be be a real nerd and say the costumes were kept after their last adventure and placed in the TARDIS wardrobe room.

I love this episode too, especially the song. My only gripe is all that bizzo about the isomorphic controls. The Doctor might have changed the grumpy bugger's personality and such but there is no way that would have affected his genetics so the controls on the weather machine could not have been affected in any way..

And the Doctor may well not care any more about changing history with his past experinces in his 10th regeneration and him being all godlike and powerful.... Maybe some of that lingers on and he becomes so reckless in the future that he becomes "silence will fall." Just a thought.

I think the Doctor is responsible for that and the mysterious voice we heard .

Sealurk
January 9th, 2011, 03:04 AM
She had some kind of illness as well as her body being used as collatoral for the old grumpy codger. And that is also why those numbers counted down the numbers being days.

I'm going be be a real nerd and say the costumes were kept after their last adventure and placed in the TARDIS wardrobe room.

I love this episode too, especially the song. My only gripe is all that bizzo about the isomorphic controls. The Doctor might have changed the grumpy bugger's personality and such but there is no way that would have affected his genetics so the controls on the weather machine could not have been affected in any way..

Thing is, the Doctor didn't say genetics, he said brainwaves, and changing somebody's personality that drastically is probably going to give them a significantly different brain pattern because they're experiencing different emotions and have different memories.


And the Doctor may well not care any more about changing history with his past experinces in his 10th regeneration and him being all godlike and powerful.... Maybe some of that lingers on and he becomes so reckless in the future that he becomes "silence will fall." Just a thought.

I think the Doctor is responsible for that and the mysterious voice we heard .

Interesting idea about him becoming the Silence - there definitely seem to have been more hints of Dark Doctor since Moffat took over, like with the Dream Lord and other instances (that I cannot recall right now) that subtly suggest that some form of the Valeyard still lies ahead in the Doctor's future. After all, who is most likely to know how to control the TARDIS to make it explode?

As for changing history, I think the events of Waters of Mars and End of Time didn't quite put him off the idea altogether of rewriting events and commanding time, but I think he's generally being more sensible, clever, cautious and small-scale about it now.

Coco Pops
January 9th, 2011, 04:39 AM
Thing is, the Doctor didn't say genetics, he said brainwaves, and changing somebody's personality that drastically is probably going to give them a significantly different brain pattern because they're experiencing different emotions and have different memories.


No I disagree. Brainwaves are brainwaves and even people have have mood swings sill produce the same brainwaves. They're as unique as a fingerprint.





Interesting idea about him becoming the Silence - there definitely seem to have been more hints of Dark Doctor since Moffat took over, like with the Dream Lord and other instances (that I cannot recall right now) that subtly suggest that some form of the Valeyard still lies ahead in the Doctor's future. After all, who is most likely to know how to control the TARDIS to make it explode?

As for changing history, I think the events of Waters of Mars and End of Time didn't quite put him off the idea altogether of rewriting events and commanding time, but I think he's generally being more sensible, clever, cautious and small-scale about it now.

Yeah I rather like that idea and since Waters Of Mars I've always thought that maybe it's the Doctor himself that caused the silence far in the future but it rippled back to the past and cause of his actions or maybe lack of actions the TARDIS explodes. So it's happened, or is yet to happen. We saw it in the last series so that actual event of the explosion is yet to happen.

pbellosom
January 13th, 2011, 12:44 PM
No I disagree. Brainwaves are brainwaves and even people have have mood swings sill produce the same brainwaves. They're as unique as a fingerprint.



Are they really though? I mean they are unique obviously, but I would argue that if your personality changes completely your brainwaves do as well. The word itself is fairly loosely defined so it probably could be taken eitherway, but I'd assume it was a measurement of which neurones are firing in the brain at a given moment, a different personality would probably change that.

Also from a genetics student/nerd prospective I feel the need to point out that though the genome would be unchanged, if you changed his childhood early and significantly enough you probably could get enough differences in the transcriptome and depending on how isomorphic controls work that could be enough.

A final point too render my above paragraphs moot is that the wikipedia article and my own interpretation of the episode was that rather than changing him so that the isomorphic controls didn't recognise him (which would be odd because surely the settings on the machine would change as well over time) it was that the father never set the machine to recognise him in this new timeline because he didn't think he was ruthless enough.

And this is probably the nerdiest post I have ever made on the internet

TryWhistlingThis
January 25th, 2011, 03:33 AM
A very belated review from me, I saw it upon first transmission.

The best Christmas Special yet! It avoided the things I disliked about previous specials: the characters felt more genuine, the story had a lot more substance and Christmas was more than just a setting, it was actually ABOUT Christmas. Michael Gambon played the "Scrooge" type character brilliantly. It was unusual in the sense that the roles of Amy and Rory seemed almost totally absent. One other minor critique: another breach of the Father's Day Paradox Rule where the older man and his younger self as a boy hugged. I'm starting to think I should just forget the Father's Day paradox rule as this is now the second time Moffat has waived it.

I was also a little confused as to how the Doctor only managed to extract a half sonic screwdriver from the shark when really none of it should have been able to have been recovered.

Apart from that, absolutely brilliant. I loved it! This is coming from someone who hated Big Bang.

If I recall correctly, with the exceptions of the shark and fish, I think this may be the first ever episode without aliens and monsters? See, it can be done :) That's how Vincent and the Doctor could have been improved.

4 out of 5

Coco Pops
January 25th, 2011, 03:44 AM
A very belated review from me, I saw it upon first transmission.

The best Christmas Special yet! It avoided the things I disliked about previous specials: the characters felt more genuine, the story had a lot more substance and Christmas was more than just a setting, it was actually ABOUT Christmas. Michael Gambon played the "Scrooge" type character brilliantly. It was unusual in the sense that the roles of Amy and Rory seemed almost totally absent. One other minor critique: another breach of the Father's Day Paradox Rule where the older man and his younger self as a boy hugged. I'm starting to think I should just forget the Father's Day paradox rule as this is now the second time Moffat has waived it.

I was also a little confused as to how the Doctor only managed to extract a half sonic screwdriver from the shark when really none of it should have been able to have been recovered.

Apart from that, absolutely brilliant. I loved it! This is coming from someone who hated Big Bang.

If I recall correctly, with the exceptions of the shark and fish, I think this may be the first ever episode without aliens and monsters? See, it can be done :) That's how Vincent and the Doctor could have been improved.

4 out of 5



I guess the shark towing the carriage made you cringe too :)

What didn't you like about The Big Bang? Can you point me to your post there to see your thoughts?

TryWhistlingThis
January 25th, 2011, 09:13 PM
I guess the shark towing the carriage made you cringe too :)

What didn't you like about The Big Bang? Can you point me to your post there to see your thoughts?

Actually the shark towing the carriage I thought was a nice touch. Remember, it was Abigail's last day of life and it was a Christmas special. So, to have a teary, mournful ending for a Christmas episode would really be a sour way to finish off the year or open the new season pessimistically (depending how you look at it). Plus, it made perfect sense: it was their last Christmas together, why not make it the most colourful one yet. It was nice :)

As for Big Bang, I posted a MASSIVE review when it first aired but i'll do my best to summarise. Keep in mind, despite Big Bang, Doctor Who in 2010 was brilliant, Matt's first season is the strongest when compared to the first seasons of Eccleston and Tennant.

Things I disliked:

- The Pandorica Opens set the story up brilliantly. No complaints, fantastic plot. However, as thrilling as the cliffhanger was, that's what contributed to the problem because the scenario was just far too impossible to resolve.

- There was way too much plot convenience: the wristwatch time switching (especially in light of the fact that it can tear the universe apart), the breach of the blinovitch effect (where you can't make physical contact with a past version of yourself) and the fact that the Universe was reset in such a way that everything was undone. My problem with the latter is that things turned out better than ever with no cost to anyone. People miraculously remembered the Doctor because of the presence of Riversong and the journal, yet if the universe was undone, technically none of that should have remained. Amy's parent's return to her present day state. Again, this isn't reversing the timeline, it just re-writes it in a way that everyone lives happily ever after. If you take the reset to a point prior to the crack in time literally (and I took it this way because of how oversimplified it was), Amy should never have met the Doctor. It's also possible that Riversong never meets Tennant's Doctor.

It's a shame because Moffat is a brilliant writer, I was just stunned by how many plot holes and contradictions there were in that finale.

Coco Pops
January 26th, 2011, 01:17 AM
Actually the shark towing the carriage I thought was a nice touch. Remember, it was Abigail's last day of life and it was a Christmas special. So, to have a teary, mournful ending for a Christmas episode would really be a sour way to finish off the year or open the new season pessimistically (depending how you look at it). Plus, it made perfect sense: it was their last Christmas together, why not make it the most colourful one yet. It was nice :)

As for Big Bang, I posted a MASSIVE review when it first aired but i'll do my best to summarise. Keep in mind, despite Big Bang, Doctor Who in 2010 was brilliant, Matt's first season is the strongest when compared to the first seasons of Eccleston and Tennant.

Things I disliked:

- The Pandorica Opens set the story up brilliantly. No complaints, fantastic plot. However, as thrilling as the cliffhanger was, that's what contributed to the problem because the scenario was just far too impossible to resolve.

- There was way too much plot convenience: the wristwatch time switching (especially in light of the fact that it can tear the universe apart), the breach of the blinovitch effect (where you can't make physical contact with a past version of yourself) and the fact that the Universe was reset in such a way that everything was undone. My problem with the latter is that things turned out better than ever with no cost to anyone. People miraculously remembered the Doctor because of the presence of Riversong and the journal, yet if the universe was undone, technically none of that should have remained. Amy's parent's return to her present day state. Again, this isn't reversing the timeline, it just re-writes it in a way that everyone lives happily ever after. If you take the reset to a point prior to the crack in time literally (and I took it this way because of how oversimplified it was), Amy should never have met the Doctor. It's also possible that Riversong never meets Tennant's Doctor.

It's a shame because Moffat is a brilliant writer, I was just stunned by how many plot holes and contradictions there were in that finale.


Now you have made me interested to go find your post. So off I go to find your post.

TryWhistlingThis
January 26th, 2011, 02:30 AM
Ignore this post, i'll just re-post at the thread itself.

Spimman
March 13th, 2011, 08:38 AM
Of all the Christmas Specials this was my favorite! The theme and method of changing his past before his eyes was ingenious and really worked. The ending was moving, sad but o meaningful. That song was beautiful!


Anyone know what that song was?

Sealurk
March 13th, 2011, 08:43 AM
Of all the Christmas Specials this was my favorite! The theme and method of changing his past before his eyes was ingenious and really worked. The ending was moving, sad but o meaningful. That song was beautiful!


Anyone know what that song was?

Other than amazing?! :D

I found it on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t2AXGNeaD4), and the official soundtrack comes out on the 21st. Can't wait!

Spimman
March 14th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Thanks - Turns out it is Katherine Jenkins and the song is titled...

"Abigail's Song - Silence Is All You Know"

It's one of those songs that really moves my heart, the context of the show makes it even better. :)

Ulkesh47
March 14th, 2011, 06:01 PM
"Abigail's Song - Silence Is All You Know"
Ooh, "silence will fall"! :)

Cold Fuzz
March 15th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Ooh, "silence will fall"! :)

I've reached the point where if we don't find out who or what the Silence is in the upcoming season, I'm going bonkers. :P

Coco Pops
March 15th, 2011, 01:14 AM
I've reached the point where if we don't find out who or what the Silence is in the upcoming season, I'm going bonkers. :P


It's River Song

maneth
June 1st, 2013, 08:28 PM
Ouch! I hope not.

I do wish people would refrain from posting spoilers, some of us are watching the show for the first time, even if site policy only dictates that applies to one year after the first broadcast IIRC...