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combiner1
November 25th, 2010, 01:00 PM
Just thinking out load here people:

What if the "eden" aliens already cracked or de-coded or completed the cosmic background radiation code??

they probably tested the code and built the eden planet (and sun as well).
transporting people from one universe to another AND making a new shuttle along with it would probably make this child play compared to making a new planet and sun.

Also: I wish they did a carbon dating on the people that was left behind, maybe they'll find that they're also "Brand new" (like the shuttle)

hedwig
November 25th, 2010, 02:22 PM
Just thinking out load here people:

What if the "eden" aliens already cracked or de-coded or completed the cosmic background radiation code??

they probably tested the code and built the eden planet (and sun as well).
transporting people from one universe to another AND making a new shuttle along with it would probably make this child play compared to making a new planet and sun.

Also: I wish they did a carbon dating on the people that was left behind, maybe they'll find that they're also "Brand new" (like the shuttle)

I don't believe carbon dating can be done on anything that recent.

jelgate
November 25th, 2010, 02:27 PM
What if they are the creator of the code?

hedwig
November 25th, 2010, 02:46 PM
I was thinking that, too. :)

Dr. Carter
November 25th, 2010, 02:53 PM
Just thinking out load here people:
What if the "eden" aliens already cracked or de-coded or completed the cosmic background radiation code??
Is there another stage after Ascension? Maybe the Ancients in this sector have hit another evolutionary level. Can't wait to see. :)

Lainier
November 25th, 2010, 05:15 PM
What if they are the creator of the code?

I was thinking that, too. :)
Me too :D But there's one thing I find strange: nobody on Destiny has suggested this theory, not even Rush. Maybe they will comment it in the future.

droid327
November 25th, 2010, 05:25 PM
Why would you possibly believe the planet builders are responsible for the code?

First off, Rush was pretty insistent that it wasnt necessarily a "code" at all, it was just an imprint, a structure, but not necessarily a message. A footprint is not a code, but it does tell you that someone was there.

Second off, just because there's a mysteriously powerful new alien race in this one galaxy out of billions in the universe, they must be responsible for something completely unrelated? Why couldnt the Ancients be responsible for the "code", for that matter? Or the Asgard, we know they had time-control technology?

All we know about them is they can build solar systems and apparently fold space. That's still a few big steps away from scratching your initials into the birth of time itself.

Third off, carbon dating only works on Earth :) They wouldn't have a C14 calibration curve for the Eden atmosphere. You'd have to do a telomere length analysis to see if their DNA is "new or used"...but I really doubt they have the equipment for either of those analyses with them anyway.

jelgate
November 25th, 2010, 05:26 PM
Why would you possibly believe the planet builders are responsible for the code?

First off, Rush was pretty insistent that it wasnt necessarily a "code" at all, it was just an imprint, a structure, but not necessarily a message. A footprint is not a code, but it does tell you that someone was there.

Second off, just because there's a mysteriously powerful new alien race in this one galaxy out of billions in the universe, they must be responsible for something completely unrelated? Why couldnt the Ancients be responsible for the "code", for that matter? Or the Asgard, we know they had time-control technology?

All we know about them is they can build solar systems and apparently fold space. That's still a few big steps away from scratching your initials into the birth of time itself.

Third off, carbon dating only works on Earth :) They wouldn't have a C14 calibration curve for the Eden atmosphere.

Then the sending out Destiny would be pointless

Pharaoh Atem
November 25th, 2010, 08:32 PM
What if they are the creator of the code?


I was thinking that, too. :)

we think alike. the eden aliens could be the oldest race in the universe for all we know.


Me too :D But there's one thing I find strange: nobody on Destiny has suggested this theory, not even Rush. Maybe they will comment it in the future.

the signal comes from the beginning of the universe it's a stretch to thing the aliens are that old but it would be cool if their were

xxxevilgrinxxx
November 27th, 2010, 02:02 PM
I had the feeling when Caine was asking about the code and the mission that he was fishing for information. I don;t know if this was intended or not but it's the feeling I got. So I wonder if the planet-builders didn't create it but maybe, through Caine, tried to find out if the Destiny crew knew? It almost felt like the others were keeping it from Caine, or at least the particulars.

droid327
November 28th, 2010, 01:22 AM
Then the sending out Destiny would be pointless

Not if the Ancients that were responsible for the code came after Destiny. Its possible they created a structure in the Big Bang without realizing that its what their ancestors had seen. Maybe they themselves created the signal later, while trying to discover its nature, in a classic ontological paradox :)

thekillman
November 28th, 2010, 01:25 AM
i personally believe it's there through time travel

nx01a
November 28th, 2010, 01:39 AM
I had the feeling when Caine was asking about the code and the mission that he was fishing for information. I don;t know if this was intended or not but it's the feeling I got. So I wonder if the planet-builders didn't create it but maybe, through Caine, tried to find out if the Destiny crew knew? It almost felt like the others were keeping it from Caine, or at least the particulars.It would be interesting [and very Stargate] to have incredibly powerful alien beings want something from regular humans. Maybe even they haven't figured it out and wouldn't mind getting a crack at the info Destiny's collected.

Giantevilhead
November 28th, 2010, 01:51 AM
Those aliens don't seem very powerful. Oma was able to save the Abydonians, rebuild Abydos, and bring Skaara back and she didn't pull a dick move like the eden aliens and let them die a second time.

My money is still on the aliens being the C'Tan/Necrons.

morbosfist
November 28th, 2010, 11:22 AM
Those aliens don't seem very powerful. Oma was able to save the Abydonians, rebuild Abydos, and bring Skaara back and she didn't pull a dick move like the eden aliens and let them die a second time.Except she only rebuilt the pyramid and the gate as far as we know, ascended the Abydonians rather than restore them, then removed the pyramid and Stargate again.

KEK
November 28th, 2010, 12:37 PM
The Q&A Tygh Runyan did on Mallozzi blog leads me to believe that yes, they probably do.

Wayston
November 29th, 2010, 12:51 AM
they must at least know about it if they're that advanced

Sami_
November 29th, 2010, 02:04 AM
Those aliens don't seem very powerful. Oma was able to save the Abydonians, rebuild Abydos, and bring Skaara back and she didn't pull a dick move like the eden aliens and let them die a second time.

My money is still on the aliens being the C'Tan/Necrons.

We need the Emperor.

garhkal
November 29th, 2010, 05:00 AM
they must at least know about it if they're that advanced

Just cause they are advanced, does not ean they know that there is that code..

escyos
November 29th, 2010, 05:02 AM
YES they do know. because we were told so.....in imagination land.

Giantevilhead
November 29th, 2010, 07:26 PM
Except she only rebuilt the pyramid and the gate as far as we know, ascended the Abydonians rather than restore them, then removed the pyramid and Stargate again.

The unascended Ancients could have done what the eden aliens did too. They could have gone back in time to save Cain's entire group from death or made perfect clones of them and then use their wormhole drive to deliver them to Destiny.

garhkal
November 30th, 2010, 04:38 AM
When in 'imagination' land were we told?? Back in Intervention, when the 'baby incident happened with TJ' they hadn't even found out about the code...

Mainer82
November 30th, 2010, 06:25 AM
Why would you possibly believe the planet builders are responsible for the code?

First off, Rush was pretty insistent that it wasnt necessarily a "code" at all, it was just an imprint, a structure, but not necessarily a message. A footprint is not a code, but it does tell you that someone was there.

Second off, just because there's a mysteriously powerful new alien race in this one galaxy out of billions in the universe, they must be responsible for something completely unrelated? Why couldnt the Ancients be responsible for the "code", for that matter? Or the Asgard, we know they had time-control technology?

All we know about them is they can build solar systems and apparently fold space. That's still a few big steps away from scratching your initials into the birth of time itself.

Third off, carbon dating only works on Earth :) They wouldn't have a C14 calibration curve for the Eden atmosphere. You'd have to do a telomere length analysis to see if their DNA is "new or used"...but I really doubt they have the equipment for either of those analyses with them anyway.

I'm sure others have said this, however the ancients were just a race of beings (Alterans (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Alterans)) that ascended over thousands of years (watch SG-1 :)); once they ascended supposedly they gained the knowledge of the universe, they didn't elaborate on whether or not they gained knowledge that the creator has. I'm assuming, once they ascended that they no longer cared about Destiny.

My guess would be the eden aliens are just very advanced more so than the Asgard. It's not hard to believe given the amount of depicted galaxies out there.

What I'm wondering is if the baby was supposedly on Eden according to he dream/experience she had, where is it?


Not if the Ancients that were responsible for the code came after Destiny. Its possible they created a structure in the Big Bang without realizing that its what their ancestors had seen. Maybe they themselves created the signal later, while trying to discover its nature, in a classic ontological paradox :)

Again, please don't take this for being rude, but the Ancients were just just a race (Alterans (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Alterans)) that over time ascended. They are not the creator of this code. You should really watch SG-1/Atlantis if you haven't already.

combiner1
November 30th, 2010, 09:14 AM
When in 'imagination' land were we told?? Back in Intervention, when the 'baby incident happened with TJ' they hadn't even found out about the code...

here is my take on the whole TJ's baby is:

Caine and company died on eden planet (natural death)
Eden aliens came, and feels sorry for Caine and company.
cloned two group of caine and company
One group stayed on the planet while the other was sent to destiny
The group that stayed where given cabins and etc... to lived on (maybe the eden aliens wanted see some experiment/curios about humans)
TJ and baby was transported to eden planet (since the eden aliens found out about the baby thru Caine's memory)
maybe since the cloned humans keeps on dying, the Aliens wanted an untainted sample (the baby)
The eden aliens can create planets, suns, life BUT could not create souls (the missing ingreidient in becomming all GOD-like)

If you think about it, it does makes perfect sense, if you have all this power and can create just about anything, BUT can not create a soul, wouldn't you want a brand new sample (TJ's baby) to experiment on.

It makes you wonder on why the other clones in Stargate does not start dying??? Dr. Beckett anyone??

ciannwn
November 30th, 2010, 03:07 PM
Rearranged quotes to make replying easier.


The eden aliens can create planets, suns, life BUT could not create souls (the missing ingreidient in becomming all GOD-like)

What is a soul in the fictional Stargate universe?


Caine and company died on eden planet (natural death)
Eden aliens came, and feels sorry for Caine and company.
cloned two group of caine and company

It makes you wonder on why the other clones in Stargate does not start dying??? Dr. Beckett anyone??

Going by what was said in the episode, the planet aliens reanimated the original bodies so no cloning was involved.

greenguywithlasereye
December 21st, 2010, 08:02 AM
well, they might know part of the code - either that or they are a he, Slartibartfast!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbNtlS69HhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t03Cj1PFGf4&feature=related

Orion475
December 21st, 2010, 12:43 PM
My theory is that they are several beings that first Ascended. They started ascension. They are a lot more powerful that the Ascended being we know of.

I'm sure they do.

magictrick
January 12th, 2011, 06:58 PM
Just because they are advanced, doesn't mean its them. I'm not sure how this is quantified in Stargate, but in our actual universe, its infinitely large. I'm saying that because its consantly expanding. If there are advanced aliens in one galaxy, the chances are high you will find equally advanced ones in another galaxy. The universe is so huge that there could be quite a few races out there even more advanced than the Ancients or the planet builders.

jedc28
June 4th, 2012, 04:06 AM
Yeah you are right, most people that watch stargate series, consider the ancients being the most advanced. In SG-1 and SG-A, there are 2 advanced races, Asgard and Ancients (Alterrans and Ori), the Asgard which was only 100,000 years of civilization, are just as advanced or slightly below the ancients level of technology. For me at the end of SGA, the Asgards, were more advanced than the ancients during their prime. Just because they were the gatebuilders, and they were a million years of civilization doesnt mean, there arent other civilizations out there in other galaxy, that are equally, or much more advanced than the ancients. PLUS I THINK THIS ASCENSION THING KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNIVERSE IS OVERATTED, AND EXAGGERATED.