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Snowman37
November 21st, 2010, 12:00 PM
Can someone help me out on the chronology of the X-Men films. The first film opens with something like, "In the not too distant future..." X2 seems to be set soon after the first movie, and The Last Stand seems to be set soon after X2. However, when does Wolverine take place? It started off during the time of the Vietnam war, Stryker assembles a team which Wolverine leaves after the first mission, then it the rest of the movie is six years later.

Basically, X-Men 1-3 take place in the 2000's with Wolverine taking us back to the 70's, yes? In Wolverine, Cyclops is an older teenager; but in the trilogy... he seems to be in his late 20's or early 30's. There's a bit of a discrepency here...

I bring up chronology, because I've been debating a friend on what might happen in next year's X-Men: First Class.

DigiFluid
November 21st, 2010, 12:25 PM
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (intro and intro montage 1845-1960s)
X-Men: First Class (1960s)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (1960s/70s)
The Wolverine (?)
X-Men Trilogy (2000s)

Snowman37
November 21st, 2010, 12:34 PM
So, basically... I got the chronology right? What is The Wolverine?

DigiFluid
November 21st, 2010, 12:36 PM
Yep you got it right. And The Wolverine is the upcoming Origins/Wolverine sequel.

Snowman37
November 21st, 2010, 12:41 PM
Isn't that a long ways off? It seems like 20th Century Fox is putting all of it's focus on X-Men: First Class right now. I don't imagine the next Wolverine movie will be made until First Class is finished.

DigiFluid
November 21st, 2010, 01:04 PM
Well you're right in that pretty much all of the current advertising focus is going to be on First Class. But Fox has recently signed both Darren Arnofsky and his production company for a two-year partnership, the first film of which will be the new Wolverine movie. Which, incidentally, begins filming in March so I imagine the hype machine will start doing its thing around then.

SaberBlade
November 21st, 2010, 01:06 PM
Well if we consider X-1 to be the year 2000. Cyclops was in High School during Wolverine, so I think we should say it was about 1985. So it would have been 1979 when Logan left Stryker's team. We don't know how long he was in the team, but given the fact it was around the Vietnam era, Logan and Sabretooth could have joined up with Stryker any time between 63 and 75.

Since X-1, X-2 and X-3 all take place very close together (I'd say a few weeks apart, X-2 to X-3 probably less), Jean Grey being visited by Prof. X and Magento would have been 1980 and Angel trying to cut off his wings would have been 1990. I think that is a fairly solid timeline for the movies but X-1 starts off saying "In the not too distant future" so the years are probably off a bit, but they are fairly accurate in my opinion so the fact First Class is set during the 60s, we see Prof. X/Patrick Stewart and Magneto/Ian McKellan in 1980 (at the earliest) so this gives a good 20 years for the younger First Class actors to reasonably age into their older counterparts while giving young Stryker 15 years to age into his older counterpart.

First Class is a bit of a problem, because they use Alex Summers. Alex Summers/Havok is the younger brother of Cyclops, so during the 60s neither one of them should be born. They are also using Emma Frost. She was used in Wolverine (set around 1985) yet they are using her for First Class, during the 60s and played by an older actress than in Wolverine. So she can't be used in First Class if she's going to be a teenager/young adult in Wolverine 20+ years later. This isn't a big problem because she was never called Emma Frost in the film, just in marketing material so it's a small retcon.

Snowman37
November 21st, 2010, 01:33 PM
Well you're right in that pretty much all of the current advertising focus is going to be on First Class. But Fox has recently signed both Darren Arnofsky and his production company for a two-year partnership, the first film of which will be the new Wolverine movie. Which, incidentally, begins filming in March so I imagine the hype machine will start doing its thing around then.
I didn't think filming on The Wolverine would begin until after First Class hit theaters. Wow... I guess FOX has a lot of confidence in these X-Men movies. That's awesome for us movie goers. haha

Galileo_Galilee
November 21st, 2010, 05:52 PM
What X-Men movies?

There are none I can see.

Snowman37
November 21st, 2010, 10:24 PM
Well if we consider X-1 to be the year 2000. Cyclops was in High School during Wolverine, so I think we should say it was about 1985. So it would have been 1979 when Logan left Stryker's team. We don't know how long he was in the team, but given the fact it was around the Vietnam era, Logan and Sabretooth could have joined up with Stryker any time between 63 and 75.
I got the impression that Stryker's team had one purpose: find adamantium. The Vietnam war ended in 1975, so the beginning of the movie would have happened no later than 1975 placing the rest of the movie no later than 1981.

Discounting flashbacks, I guess the timeline could go like this...

2000: X-Men (near future)
2003: X2 (weeks or months later)
2006: The Last Stand (weeks or months later)
2009: Wolverine (Vietnam era, six years later)

Snowman37
June 3rd, 2011, 11:11 AM
The search wouldn't load, so new thread...

What is the timeline for the original X-Men trilogy? I'm a little fuzzy on this.

X-Men came out in 2000 and began with, "In the not too distant future." X2: X-Men United seemed to take place several months later. Logan has returned from Alkaline Lake having found no answers. X-Men: The Last Stand seemed like a close follow up to X2. Scott is still grieving over the death of Jean, so again... it's probably just weeks or months later. I think the trilogy could easily happen within one year or just a span of months. X3 begins with Twenty Years Ago, and it seems to look like the 1980's. So, I'm guessing the trilogy is set between 2000 and 2010, but which year... just somewhere between?

When we come to the prequels, we get a more definitive time period. X-Men Origins: Wolverine begins in 1845, moves to 1973, and then to 1979 for the bulk of the story. X-Men: First Class begins in 1944 and then moves to 1962 for the present day.

When does the original trilogy take place? :S

Replicator Todd
June 3rd, 2011, 11:26 AM
In the 90s to early 2000s I believe, its difficult to say. I think First Class completely ignores the events of Wolverine and X3 as Brian Singer wasn't involved with those.

At least that is what a lot of X fans seem to believe.

magictrick
June 3rd, 2011, 11:29 AM
I don't know the exact dates, but X1,X2 and X3 are all only a few months apart. All depends on the date of X1

Snowman37
June 3rd, 2011, 12:06 PM
In the 90s to early 2000s I believe, its difficult to say. I think First Class completely ignores the events of Wolverine and X3 as Brian Singer wasn't involved with those.
The trilogy can't take place in the 90's. The original film came out in 2000 and began with, "In the not too distant future." I could buy the early 2000's, but what about that opening statement about the future? As for First Class ignoring the last two films... why? Not being involved isn't really grounds to ignore half the series. :rolleyes:

Angela V
June 3rd, 2011, 08:03 PM
In the 90s to early 2000s I believe, its difficult to say. I think First Class completely ignores the events of Wolverine and X3 as Brian Singer wasn't involved with those.

At least that is what a lot of X fans seem to believe.

Isn't that kind of dumb for Bryan Singer to do? Though I wouldn't be surprised considering all the rewritten history he did with some characters in X1 and X2. I still find the movies entertaining but it drove me a bit nutty what he did with Rogue.

DigiFluid
June 3rd, 2011, 08:57 PM
I believe Matthew Vaughn has already said that, if there's a sequel to First Class, he'll have no problem ignoring the continuity of the original trilogy and Origins/Wolverine in order to suit the storytelling of FC2. So it may not be worth all that much effort to try to place the chronology.

nx01a
June 3rd, 2011, 10:21 PM
I want to see the comics' original 5 X-Men [Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman and Angel] fighting Sentinels. If ignoring 'continuity' will do that for me, then 'continuity' be damned. :P

Seriously, I'm a comic geek and I'm not the least bit concerned about the continuity or timeline of the movies. I just want good movies, and I'm more than willing to try and forget that X3 and Wolverine ever happened. ;)

Snowman37
June 4th, 2011, 08:41 AM
I believe Matthew Vaughn has already said that, if there's a sequel to First Class, he'll have no problem ignoring the continuity of the original trilogy and Origins/Wolverine in order to suit the storytelling of FC2. So it may not be worth all that much effort to try to place the chronology.
Why bother making it a prequel if he's not willing to acknowledge the earlier movies? :S


I'm more than willing to try and forget that X3 and Wolverine ever happened. ;)
Some of us like those films. I especially loved Wolverine.

DigiFluid
June 4th, 2011, 08:52 AM
Who says it must be a prequel to the other four films? From what I understand, FC already defies a number of things established in the trilogy and Wolverine--never mind how much FC2 might ignore in addition to that.

As to the other subject being discussed, I didn't really mind Wolverine. I didn't think it was great, especially when compared with X-Men and X2, but it was decent (aside from the moronic and WRONG Deadpool side story). X3 though, good god. What an abortion of a film; it deserves nothing better then to be purged from all existence.

Snowman37
June 4th, 2011, 12:13 PM
Who says it must be a prequel to the other four films?
It was advertised that way. Trailer on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyQKi5-k0UU)


From what I understand, FC already defies a number of things established in the trilogy and Wolverine
Yes, I listed five of them. Others have mentioned more. Some of it can be dismissed as creative changes to make the prequel more interesting. The only change that bothers me is Xavior being paralyzed in 1962 when he's walking around in the 70's and 80's.


As to the other subject being discussed, I didn't really mind Wolverine. I didn't think it was great, especially when compared with X-Men and X2, but it was decent (aside from the moronic and WRONG Deadpool side story).
Wolverine was a brilliant film. I don't really have a favorite from the series, but Wolverine was top notch. What do you mean by the moronic and wrong Deadlpool side? Are you talking about Weapon XI? I loved that!


X3 though, good god. What an abortion of a film; it deserves nothing better then to be purged from all existence.
Why so much hate for X3? In fact, scratch that. I'll start a thread on that, because I expect this thread to be derailed if I ask here.

Replicator Todd
June 6th, 2011, 12:27 PM
Why bother making it a prequel if he's not willing to acknowledge the earlier movies? :S

Just add time travel and it will be okay. :p


Some of us like those films. I especially loved Wolverine.

I loved Wolverine too(not big on Deadpool's fate but enjoyed the rest of it).

Hanson3
August 7th, 2012, 11:04 AM
X1 took place in 1994, because they said its been 15 years since logan had his memory erased. And Wolverine was in '79, cuz the three mile island meltdown occurred in march of that year. All these movies are based on real historical events, as well as the cuban missile crisis of october of '62 for First Class

Snowman37
August 7th, 2012, 01:13 PM
X1 took place in 1994
The movie came out in 2000 and began with, "In the not too distant future..."


because they said its been 15 years since logan had his memory erased.
In the original or X2, what scene?


And Wolverine was in '79, cuz the three mile island meltdown occurred in march of that year. All these movies are based on real historical events, as well as the cuban missile crisis of october of '62 for First Class'
Only the two prequels have revolved around historical events.

Lex Talionis
September 22nd, 2012, 01:45 PM
it just so happens that I watched all 5 X-films last week,and made a little timeline from what I could gather:

1845 James Howlett and Victor Creed discover their mutation and flee from their home
1861–1865 James and Victor fight in the American Civil War
1914-1918 James and Victor fight in World War I
1939-1945 James and Victor fight in World War II
1944 Erik Lensherr descovers his mutation while in concentration camp,Charles Xavier meets Raven Darkhölme (18 BXFC)*
1955-1973 James and Victor fight in the Vietnam War
1962 majority of X-Men: First Class
1973-1979 majority of X-Men Origins: Wolverine
1974? Charles and Erik meet Jean Grey (20 BXT)**
1984? Warren Worthington II discovers Warren Worthington III's mutation (10BXT)
1994?*** majority of X-Men,X2: X-Men United and X-Men: The Last Stand

*BXFC=Before X-Men: First Class
**BXT=Before X-Trilogy
***in X2 William Stryker comments that it's been 15 years since the end of X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Snowman37
September 23rd, 2012, 07:58 AM
I don't know about the 1994 year for the original trilogy. You're basing this off X2 saying that Wolverine's change happened 15 years ago, but that dialogue was written before Wolverine was setup to take place in the 1970's. There have been other retcons such as Xavier ending up in the wheelchair in '62 instead of less than 20 years before The Last Stand. How can the original movie take place in 1994 when it was released in 2000 with the caption, "In the not too distant future?" One could argue that when the Wolverine prequel was made, the "15 years ago" comment from X2 was probably ignored so as to be free to pick any time period for Wolverine to get amnesia.

Rakino7863
September 20th, 2013, 08:02 PM
I believe he/ she got it pretty close but the only thing I would change is put: The Wolverine and make that the last film. For instance:
X-men origins: Wolverine (from here..)
X-men: first class
X-men: days of futures past (sequel to first class and suppose to tie into the last stand)
X-men origins: Wolverine (...To Here)
X-men
X2
X-men: The last stand
The Wolverine

Movies possible to come:
X-Force
X-men origins: Deadpool (staring Ryan Reynolds)

garhkal
September 22nd, 2013, 11:29 PM
I'd love an X force movie, along with cable, X factor and possibly even excalibur.