Solar base

[Dii-Reno]

I remember in real life reading this article that suggested that the most abundant form of life in the universe is probably in the form of plasma. That is, since it makes up the bulk of matter in the known universe. In the article it said this life would probably evolve in the plasma of stars.

Earth mentioned its desire to develop the tech to use star diving to harvest energy. It would be interesting to find out that stars all over the milkyway are home to hundreds of abandoned solar star bases. What better place to deploy a base, but in the pit of a star. That way you have unlimited amounts of energy, unlimited real estate to expand, and almost complete anonymity.

[morbosfist]

It'd be rather difficult to get to and from such a thing, not to mention that leaving such a base in one place is a recipe for trouble. You steal enough matter from an active star and you get a supernova.

[Dii-Reno]

It'd be rather difficult to get to and from such a thing, not to mention that leaving such a base in one place is a recipe for trouble. You steal enough matter from an active star and you get a supernova.

Size isn't a problem for an infinitesimally small place like a space station. As long as your ship is designed to fly into the star to begin with, docking with a space station inside would be a matter of extending shields and docking.

[Crazy Tom]

It'd be rather difficult to get to and from such a thing, not to mention that leaving such a base in one place is a recipe for trouble. You steal enough matter from an active star and you get a supernova.

Ah, the ignorance of modern viewers.

The more matter you steal the longer the star will burn, because as a star's mass decreases, the rate at which it fuses hydrogen into helium and beyond decreases as well. Steal enough matter and you can turn a blue giant into a red dwarf.

[morbosfist]

Ah, the ignorance of modern viewers.

The more matter you steal the longer the star will burn, because as a star's mass decreases, the rate at which it fuses hydrogen into helium and beyond decreases as well. Steal enough matter and you can turn a blue giant into a red dwarf.

Fair enough. Not the same situation as the black hole gate. Still poses the problem that you're unnaturally accelerating the star's age. If you care about anything in the system, it wouldn't be a good idea.

[Dii-Reno]

How is this artificially accelerating the star's age? It is a base in a star. It uses the heat and hydrogen inside the star to power the shields and keep the base habitable. The same energy gets puffed across the solar system every day. It's akin the using geothermal energy here on Earth. The only difference is that the sun has a diameter about 100x that of Earth's. That means that (Length x width x depth = 100 x 100 x 100) about 1,000,000 Earths could fit into a sol type sun. The star would be in no danger of exhausting it's fuel by having a shielded base on its inside.

[morbosfist]

How is this artificially accelerating the star's age? It is a base in a star. It uses the heat and hydrogen inside the star to power the shields and keep the base habitable. The same energy gets puffed across the solar system every day. It's akin the using geothermal energy here on Earth. The only difference is that the sun has a diameter about 100x that of Earth's. That means that (Length x width x depth = 100 x 100 x 100) about 1,000,000 Earths could fit into a sol type sun. The star would be in no danger of exhausting it's fuel by having a shielded base on its inside.

If you're sucking up the same hydrogen the star is using for fuel on a constant basis, which you would need to in order to run such a base, then it's going to run out of fuel faster than it would. It really depends on how much of that fuel your base is using. This isn't the same as solar panels or geothermal power.

[Dii-Reno]

Well how big do you expect a base built in a star to be? I mean, come on now. Are you expecting a deathstar the size of Jupiter to be inside this thing?

[morbosfist]

Well how big do you expect a base built in a star to be? I mean, come on now. Are you expecting a deathstar the size of Jupiter to be inside this thing?

It's not a matter of size, it's a matter of power requirements. You have to keep the shield on this thing running non-stop, plus whatever else you're doing in there.

[Squareal]

I really don't think a base inside such a hostile environment would be wise. What happens if say the shield emitters fail and it's instantly destroyed?

[Dii-Reno]

It's not a matter of size, it's a matter of power requirements. You have to keep the shield on this thing running non-stop, plus whatever else you're doing in there.

It's not a matter of size? Where are you getting this? Taking energy from a star isn't taking one form of matter and converting it into another. There is more to it then that. You aren't taking some imaginary pie slice shaped piece of the sun to power your shields. The fusion reaction is happening all over the sun. The particles of hydrogen are being compressed to such a degree that they are literally being fused together into helium. When they create helium energy is released. That energy is the light we see coming from the star. Depending on how much of this heat can be converted directly into energy to power the shields there might not be any need to harvest hydrogen. Think of the geothermal powered ship yard from stargate atlantis.

I really don't think a base inside such a hostile environment would be wise. What happens if say the shield emitters fail and it's instantly destroyed?

What happens if the cabin in an airplane loses pressure? What happens if the space shuttle's external fueltank cracks? What happens if your car's accelerator gets stuck?

The Asguard put bases in hostile environments all the time. Inside a star is the perfect place to keep a base completely isolated from attack, and at the same time dial remote locations.

[morbosfist]

It's not a matter of size? Where are you getting this? Taking energy from a star isn't taking one form of matter and converting it into another. There is more to it then that. You aren't taking some imaginary pie slice shaped piece of the sun to power your shields. The fusion reaction is happening all over the sun. The particles of hydrogen are being compressed to such a degree that they are literally being fused together into helium. When they create helium energy is released. That energy is the light we see coming from the star. Depending on how much of this heat can be converted directly into energy to power the shields there might not be any need to harvest hydrogen. Think of the geothermal powered ship yard from stargate atlantis.

Except heat is not what is powering this type of reactor, which is apparent in "Earth".

[Dii-Reno]

Except heat is not what is powering this type of reactor, which is apparent in "Earth".

Would you say destiny is an overly big ship? From one short dive it can gather the energy to renew it's shields, replenish its reserves, and fly to another galaxy. From the shows I'd say destiny looks about the size of a couple of c130s. If it can do all that with just one short dive, a base designed for longterm exposure to that environment should have no problem.

[morbosfist]

Would you say destiny is an overly big ship? From one short dive it can gather the energy to renew it's shields, replenish its reserves, and fly to another galaxy. From the shows I'd say destiny looks about the size of a couple of c130s. If it can do all that with just one short dive, a base designed for longterm exposure to that environment should have no problem.

We don't know how long it was in there. SGU isn't big on exact timing.

[Dii-Reno]

Well, we know it took the shuttle about a half a day to make it to the ice planet, before destiny emerged from sundiving. They weren't in transit to the evacuation planet for a week. Either way, It could have taken a month and it still wouldn't be a blink of an eye when your talking about time tables of billions of years.