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sjleader
November 17th, 2010, 09:48 PM
So, if Destiny's mission is to fly to the edge of the known universe to examine the pattern, why seed stargates on planets?

That being said, I wonder if we will see any galaxies with populations that have figured out how to use the gate system like the Go'auld and Wraith did.

morbosfist
November 17th, 2010, 10:13 PM
The Stargates are there so they can go to planets along the way for resupply missions. It's also doubtful any species know how to use the gates. The only reason anyone in the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies did is because the Ancients made them user-friendly.

Commander Zelix
November 17th, 2010, 10:33 PM
So, if Destiny's mission is to fly to the edge of the known universe to examine the pattern, why seed stargates on planets?

Good point. I wonder if this apparent contradiction will be addressed. The Destiny should be way beyond the seeder ships.



That being said, I wonder if we will see any galaxies with populations that have figured out how to use the gate system like the Go'auld and Wraith did.
Only alien species advanced enough can figure it out since there's no visible interface like in the previous stargate system we saw. There's probably a need to dismantle one of the stargate on a planet to know what it do and how it works.

thekillman
November 17th, 2010, 10:34 PM
theoretically a species with a lot of time and patience could figure it out.


as to seeding gates: compare it to the romans building roads everywhere.

Commander Zelix
November 17th, 2010, 10:37 PM
theoretically a species with a lot of time and patience could figure it out.


as to seeding gates: compare it to the romans building roads everywhere.
Yes, but the Destiny should be way beyond the seeder ships, since there's no need to stop at every system and can go in a straight line to the center of the universe (until some ancient board it).

Gatebsg
November 17th, 2010, 11:43 PM
I hope the writers make an episode that shows that the gates have a display or hologram that visually shows what the purpose of the stargate and who built it to any intelligent life out there.

wolverine_nl
November 17th, 2010, 11:47 PM
Yes, but the Destiny should be way beyond the seeder ships, since there's no need to stop at every system and can go in a straight line to the center of the universe (until some ancient board it).

There is a purpose for the stargates being where they are next to resuplying the crew and the ship. The gates have to do something when the ship is at its destination, is my guess ;)

The Destiny
November 18th, 2010, 12:04 AM
I figure it's just a B-mission as I can't think of a way to tie 'pattern in the background radiation' in with 'seeding stargates everywhere'.

@ Commander Zelix: Destiny is most likely still behind the seederships because while the seederships do stop here and there to plant gates, destiny continually stops for hours ( sometimes days, like in Time ) at planets, or takes it's time to recharge in a star. Both are delayed plenty. Maybe the seederships are faster because more space inside is used for power...stuff etc.

But I figure the seeding of gates is more of a side-mission. If they're going to the edge of the universe why not throw some gates down? It'd also help with foodstops. In pegasus the destiny gate system most likely helped them to map out, colonise and settle that galaxy.

I still find it a fascinating idea that there is a chain of galaxies spanning from the milkyway to where destiny is, and gate systems in all those galaxies. Were we to send out a 304 from pegasus we could easily reach the next galaxy with gates in a few weeks. It's an ancient breadcrum trail.

wolverine_nl
November 18th, 2010, 12:18 AM
Maybe seedingships lay a basic network/chain of gates in a galaxy and the original purpose was to then visit these planets and lateron determine if the galaxy was worth colonizing. So this part of the mission was a secondary priority, the first priority was to chase towards the origin of the patternsignal and the Ancients took this opportunity to seed more gates at the same time, plus the Destiny needs to resupply from time to time

Commander Zelix
November 18th, 2010, 12:19 AM
I figure it's just a B-mission as I can't think of a way to tie 'pattern in the background radiation' in with 'seeding stargates everywhere'.

@ Commander Zelix: Destiny is most likely still behind the seederships because while the seederships do stop here and there to plant gates, destiny continually stops for hours ( sometimes days, like in Time ) at planets, or takes it's time to recharge in a star. Both are delayed plenty. Maybe the seederships are faster because more space inside is used for power...stuff etc.

But I figure the seeding of gates is more of a side-mission. If they're going to the edge of the universe why not throw some gates down? It'd also help with foodstops. In pegasus the destiny gate system most likely helped them to map out, colonise and settle that galaxy.

Then we're back with what the original poster ask. If the seeding of gates is only a side mission, then why seeds gates and waste your time when your goal is to get at the edge of the universe? (if it's not because there's human now on board)




I still find it a fascinating idea that there is a chain of galaxies spanning from the milkyway to where destiny is, and gate systems in all those galaxies. Were we to send out a 304 from pegasus we could easily reach the next galaxy with gates in a few weeks. It's an ancient breadcrum trail.
I don't think it was even said that the chain of stargates planted by the seeder ship started in the milkyway or close to it.

It's also not clear to me how far out Destiny is now and if it's possible to catch them, in a respectable time, merrily using stargates trails and using FTL drive for inter-galactical travel.

wolverine_nl
November 18th, 2010, 12:26 AM
I don't think it was even said that the chain of stargates planted by the seeder ship started in the milkyway or close to it.

No, but we know Destiny launched from Earth, so making the logical link towards the idea that the seeders also launched from Earth is quickly made.
But if they already had the MW network before or after the Seeders started out, we dont know.

timmciglobal
November 18th, 2010, 01:13 AM
Because the writers needed some way to say it was a stargate series when having almost nothing to do with the stargate?

I think it's going to basically end up as a pointless plot hole that never gets explained because it was a "How is this a stargate series?" answer versus a plot element that really would ever make much sense.

Tim

wolverine_nl
November 18th, 2010, 01:15 AM
Because the writers needed some way to say it was a stargate series when having almost nothing to do with the stargate?

I think it's going to basically end up as a pointless plot hole that never gets explained because it was a "How is this a stargate series?" answer versus a plot element that really would ever make much sense.

Tim

Somewhere i agree with you, but...then they couldve made a whole new series with a totally other angle...so I dont think it is likely you conclusion.

timmciglobal
November 18th, 2010, 01:25 AM
It wouldn't of been as easy to pitch or have a quasi-built in fan base.

I think making it a "Stargate" series made sense and the idea of seeding the entire universe with local only gates with no DHD's doesn't make any sense especially when you consider the mission aparently has nothing to do with actually exploring worlds per-say so sending out multiple of these ships (seeders + destiny) all to seed the universe and planets when we've yet to see destiny go to a planet for anything doesn't make alot of sense.

It's not that I'm knocking the writers for the choice but I think they should of just left the entire seed ship thing out and made it a "mystery" how these gates all got there.

Tim

Brian N
November 18th, 2010, 01:32 AM
The purpose of the gates has been explained in this thread and in many others.

The gates are used to resupply the crew with food and useful materials. Where else are they going to get food for a mission that can last as long as a thousand years? Or get limestone to keep the life support system working? Or get iron and other materials to fix any damage to the ship and other technology, create new kinos and remotes? At that time the Ancients didn't have the technology to make stuff appear out of thin air. Flying a shuttle forward and back would take too long.

Putting physical needs aside, the Ancients would probably go insane after a few years flying in a metal box.

timmciglobal
November 18th, 2010, 01:48 AM
That logic works if you don't also realize that the ancients were going to gate to destiny hence making seeding gates before wherever destiny was going pointless.

The "supplies" they needed then beg the question... where are the puddle jumpers? I mean were they going to carry back by hand every single resource farmed on a planet needed to destiny?

I don't buy it. I think it's a massive plot hole with a complete incompatibility with destiny's mission. If the gates were linked then you might think it was an intergalactic 'hoping" to collect data from across an entire galaxy but they are not so the idea that you'd use a vast amount of resources to farm naquada and build gates on planets just to collect minor resources.

To use an analogy from today you wouldn't build a dock on an island your just passing by and sending a scouting party to from your ship to collect a small amount of resources and you definitely wouldn't send out another ship ahead of yours to build a dock just to maybe stop at that island to possibly collect some minor resources through it. You absolutely wouldn't send out a fleet of ships to put docks on many, many islands because you might need some minor resource from one of them.

A civilization advanced enough to have already traveled from the ori galaxy to the milky way and then built and launched destiny & the seeder ships is FAR beyond the needed technology to make local trips in shuttles or even interplanetary trips between nearby star systems if resources were needed.

Tim

Steelbox
November 18th, 2010, 01:50 AM
The goal as Rush said is to gain understanding. Planting Stargate along you patch will help you extend you knowledge of far extragalactic unknown world, biology, etc. The Stargate also provides the means to gather supplies on habitable worlds. The seeder ship are an functional important, even necessary part of the ancients plan to study everything.

wolverine_nl
November 18th, 2010, 01:52 AM
That logic works if you don't also realize that the ancients were going to gate to destiny hence making seeding gates before wherever destiny was going pointless.

The "supplies" they needed then beg the question... where the puddle jumpers? I mean were they going to carry back by hand every single resource farmed on a planet needed to destiny?

I don't buy it. I think it's a massive plot hole with a complete incompatibility with destiny's mission. If the gates were linked then you might think it was an intergalactic 'hoping" to collect data from across an entire galaxy but they are not so the idea that you'd use a vast amount of resources to farm naquada and build gates on planets just to collect minor resources which even by today's standards you don't build a marina on an island to collect lumber to repair your ship or fruit and vegetables.


Tim

It must be a higher purpose, plus puddlejumpers were maybe not around yet when Destiny and the Seeders were first launched.

wolverine_nl
November 18th, 2010, 01:55 AM
The goal as Rush said is to gain understanding. Planting Stargate along you patch will help you extend you knowledge of far extragalactic unknown world, biology, etc. The Stargate also provides the means to gather supplies on habitable worlds. The seeder ship are an functional important, even necessary part of the ancients plan to study everything.

Maybe this learned understanding also helps to see the bigger picture eventually, to succeed the mission. Without certain knowledge the mission would be probably useless.
imagine this: Rush did not crack the mastercode and Destiny and its crew reach the destination...and then what happens, do the crew have some actions to perform or is all automated?

timmciglobal
November 18th, 2010, 02:00 AM
Which one is easier: Use shuttles which are technologically "ancient" (Pun) compared to destiny or to launch a fleet of seeder ships to seed planets then specially make it so those gates couldn't dial outside of their local groups?

You can't have it both ways. Destiny's intended method of "getting" to it can't be gating billions of lightyears away from earth through a 9 chevron address yet at the same time the people couldn't build a gate system to connect many gates across the galaxies they were seeding. You can't have a society that can apparently created a seeder ship which can go to a planet which is not seeded with a gate, farm nadaquah for the gate, build it, then place it on the planet yet those exact "gates" are needed for water and calcium and salt and were the easiest way to get the resources versus say... just recording where the planet was and what it had and actually farming the resources which any logical race could estimate would be needed. None of this makes sense especially in the guise of our crew which has been on destiny a year has almost starved to death, dehidrated, run out of energy and killed yet all these vast resources were expended building and placing gates with no logical of easy way to get any resources from them except a bucket brigade of people handing things from one to the other.

It's a plot hole, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a hook used to build a "lost on a ship drama show" without making it "RandomName: Universe" and tie into an existing fanbase & name.

Tim

Steelbox
November 18th, 2010, 02:07 AM
They sent Destiny on a study mission. It is not practical to drop out in orbit of every planet. So just go along an predetermined course and gate to where you want.

wolverine_nl
November 18th, 2010, 02:09 AM
Which one is easier: Use shuttles which are technologically "ancient" (Pun) compared to destiny or to launch a fleet of seeder ships to seed planets then specially make it so those gates couldn't dial outside of their local groups?

You can't have it both ways. Destiny's intended method of "getting" to it can't be gating billions of lightyears away from earth through a 9 chevron address yet at the same time the people couldn't build a gate system to connect many gates across the galaxies they were seeding. You can't have a society that can apparently created a seeder ship which can go to a planet which is not seeded with a gate, farm nadaquah for the gate, build it, then place it on the planet yet those exact "gates" are needed for water and calcium and salt and were the easiest way to get the resources versus say... just recording where the planet was and what it had and actually farming the resources which any logical race could estimate would be needed. None of this makes sense especially in the guise of our crew which has been on destiny a year has almost starved to death, dehidrated, run out of energy and killed yet all these vast resources were expended building and placing gates with no logical of easy way to get any resources from them except a bucket brigade of people handing things from one to the other.

It's a plot hole, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a hook used to build a "lost on a ship drama show" without making it "RandomName: Universe" and tie into an existing fanbase & name.

Tim

Do you really think the makers of the series would be that dumb?

timmciglobal
November 18th, 2010, 02:11 AM
So instead they sent out a fleet of ships to seed every random planet with gates made of a very rare substance which somehow has to be farmed and built then placed, then record all this information and relay it back to destiny as it meets up your fleet of gate seeding ships?

That sounds infinity less practical the just dropping out to study random planets your sensors detect.

Even if you "buy" that logic it still doesn't explain why these gates would not be galaxy wide gate system but a local group only system.

Tim

timmciglobal
November 18th, 2010, 02:16 AM
Do you really think the makers of the series would be that dumb?

Dumb? It isn't dumb it's how you get your series of character drama off the ground & green lit by integrating it with an established brand while giving a story that doesn't pigeon hole you into "stargate sg-1 part 2" or "atlantis part 2" hence why no galatic travel via gates (preventing you from becoming sg-1 v2" and no shuttle/ship to everywhere then back to your "home base city" (becoming atlantis v2)


Tim

wolverine_nl
November 18th, 2010, 02:35 AM
yes if you want the logic of seederships that scout the whole galaxy and seed a whole galaxy, then it is a plot hole. but if the intention was never to seed a whole galaxy. I said in another thread that it doesnt seem logic that these seederships are the same they used to seed gates in Pegasus and the MW, these are specifically for Destiny and her mission. I think the gates are not made of naq. otherwise the amount of naq they would need to take with them would be too much

blackluster
November 18th, 2010, 05:12 AM
I think the gates are there for resupply but their real-time subspace links also let Destiny get up-to-date info about every planet that they are on. It seems rather straightforward really...

Aewon
November 18th, 2010, 06:56 AM
That sounds infinity less practical the just dropping out to study random planets your sensors detect.

How many times have the Enterprise crew been threatened and almost killed by exploring completely uncharted worlds? That's why we send unmanned probes first, to see if it's safe for humans. That's the other function of the Seeder ships. If not for those ships they wouldn't have locked out the more dangerous planets.

ThePlut
November 18th, 2010, 08:19 AM
I think the "message" and the Stargates are linked at a fundamental level. Stargate technology is based on the idea of virtually instantaneous communication between two extremely distant points in the universe in order to connect a source and destination. As distance increases, so do power requirements. But what if it's not really a wormhole, but a network that's being accessed by the Stargates, one that links the whole universe together, every point.

My thinking is that may be what cause the original split between the Alterans and the Ori, the discovery of this message and what it meant led to the development of the communication stones (ability to sent a consciousness a vast distance virtually instantaneously). What this message meant (technological origin vs. higher power/religion) led to the split.

Later, the Alterans advanced the stone technology to the movement of people and objects between source and destination, at the cost of tremendous power, a brute force method of accessing this network.

This message contains the information to access this universal network and how to use it. Destiny and the seeders were launched to discover the rest of the message by accessing this network throughout the universe, gaining information about it. When enough of the message is known, it will provide the ability to link the whole universe via the stargates with a less "brute force" method than simple power demands...

James71
November 18th, 2010, 10:02 AM
I still find it a fascinating idea that there is a chain of galaxies spanning from the milkyway to where destiny is, and gate systems in all those galaxies. Were we to send out a 304 from pegasus we could easily reach the next galaxy with gates in a few weeks. It's an ancient breadcrum trail.

There are gaps in the network. Remember how often Destiny has stopped with zero gates within range?
So clearly there are areas where it would be impossible to do the Pegasus/Milky Way gate system for a 30 minute trip.

Wayston
November 18th, 2010, 10:49 AM
There are gaps in the network. Remember how often Destiny has stopped with zero gates within range?
So clearly there are areas where it would be impossible to do the Pegasus/Milky Way gate system for a 30 minute trip.

this is very true, but it's also worth remembering it has been alluded there are quite a lot of seeder ships out there, although there would likely always be gaps the specific path destiny is following does not seem to be the only one. It probably chooses from several possible branches depending on its needs at the time (and it doesn't always need to be in range of gates). Plus the dropping out of FTL with nothing interesting around was implied to be due to Rush's doing.

Commander Zelix
November 18th, 2010, 11:08 AM
That logic works if you don't also realize that the ancients were going to gate to destiny hence making seeding gates before wherever destiny was going pointless.
That's a good point. The ancient don't have the same difficulty as human at generating enough power to gate to the Destiny.

hallmjo
November 18th, 2010, 11:09 AM
Yeah if the gates can't dial very far, why are the Ancients really seeding all of these planets across the universe?

James71
November 18th, 2010, 11:18 AM
this is very true, but it's also worth remembering it has been alluded there are quite a lot of seeder ships out there, although there would likely always be gaps the specific path destiny is following does not seem to be the only one. It probably chooses from several possible branches depending on its needs at the time (and it doesn't always need to be in range of gates). Plus the dropping out of FTL with nothing interesting around was implied to be due to Rush's doing.

It has been implied that Destiny can go 4 hours in FTL and still be within range of the previous gate.
But Destiny would be out of range if they have to go another 4 hours on a 2nd jump.

So at FTL speed, each gate only has a range of between 4 to 8 hours in FTL travel time.

The Destiny takes months to jump between galaxies. So clearly these older gates cannot be used to jump between galaxies.

Which raises the question of how they plan to gate back to Earth. With this distance limitation in these older gates, it seems to be impossible to gate back to Earth under any circumstances. We only have evidence that they can accept an incoming connection from the Milky Way.

But the evidence so far indicates it would be impossible to use these older style gates to go back to Earth.

If it is function of amount of power available in order to make a connection, then the amount of power in Destiny at the time a connection is attempted would be the key variable.

We dont have enough information to really make this call yet.

Wayston
November 18th, 2010, 01:09 PM
It has been implied that Destiny can go 4 hours in FTL and still be within range of the previous gate.
But Destiny would be out of range if they have to go another 4 hours on a 2nd jump.

So at FTL speed, each gate only has a range of between 4 to 8 hours in FTL travel time.

The Destiny takes months to jump between galaxies. So clearly these older gates cannot be used to jump between galaxies.

Which raises the question of how they plan to gate back to Earth. With this distance limitation in these older gates, it seems to be impossible to gate back to Earth under any circumstances. We only have evidence that they can accept an incoming connection from the Milky Way.

But the evidence so far indicates it would be impossible to use these older style gates to go back to Earth.

If it is function of amount of power available in order to make a connection, then the amount of power in Destiny at the time a connection is attempted would be the key variable.

We dont have enough information to really make this call yet.

Everything can go south if the writers want it to. But right now the knowledgeable characters in the show are working under the assumption that they can dial home through destiny's gate if only they had the right amount of power. That seems quite a sensible assumption to me. The gates on the planet do look like a "destiny gate light" in how they operate though, both for incoming and outgoing connections to higher version gates (presumably a hardware and not a mere software limitation, although who knows). But all you'd need to be in business is a couple of higher tech gates at the edge of a galaxy, so it may just be those have not been noticed yet.

geddarkstorm
November 18th, 2010, 05:19 PM
The only true limiter of a gate's range is its power source. We know Destiny's gate has limited range, and these prefabs, being the oldest type of gate, probably have the weakest power sources of the gate types. But, with enough power even Destiny's gate could reach all the way back to earth. I'd like to think Destiny limits range to conserve power more than anything else. Especially since it's storage capacity has degraded so bad.

We also know the seeder ships are way, far ahead of Destiny. Destiny was built and launched long after they were. They also all started from the Milky Way galaxy, moved to Pegasus, and then outward from there, which we see in the very first episode (it's blatantly stated Destiny is following the path of the seeders). So, it's easy to see the seeders set up the original gates in the MW and Pegasus galaxies, which were later replaced as things advanced. The seeders probably have the single purpose of just making paths and inroads into galaxies where the Ancients would later follow into and colonize. It only makes sense to have Destiny chase them, since it does ALSO have the role of verifying those gates as working ahead of time and updating the gate network information. The kinoremotes can plug into that network information and learn if a gate is locked out, as we have seen in episodes. Only Destiny could have updated the network with that info. So Destiny's role of gate verification is tangible and important.

Gates are the most effective way to travel. So, it also only makes sense to gate-a-fy the galaxies with the seeders, and have Destiny verify as it goes along, so the Ancients can expend and come along behind to "pave the dirt roads" later. It's just that.. well.. the Ancients were wiped out by an Ori virus. And then the survivors ascended. That kinda threw a wrench in their culture's long term plans. Also, scientific curiosity, acquiring resources for Destiny, etc are all best served with gates, not shuttles. Shuttles are backups, and for cases where there isn't a gate (ship to ship).

It's only wise to make a ship with dual purposes, especially one designed to be inhabited. Destiny's an exploration ship, designed to be self sustaining, that happens to be scooping up the fragments of information from the CMB and attempting to put it together to see what it means.

Edit: Also, don't forget one can send information through the gate network without actually having to turn a gate on. In theory, the gate network could be used by Destiny to relay its information all the way back to the Milky Way to the Ancients. That alone is every reason to make it follow the seeders and say in the network. Otherwise, what's the point if it can never send back the info it found?

Generic Blue
November 18th, 2010, 05:29 PM
That being said, I wonder if we will see any galaxies with populations that have figured out how to use the gate system like the Go'auld and Wraith did.

Well it seems like it might take about a season or so to pass through a galaxy, so that might be interesting for a season. The aliens would be able to come through the stargate, and without an iris we wouldnt be able to stop them. Also we would find them on almost every planet and it would be more dangerous to resupply.

erotavlas
November 18th, 2010, 06:23 PM
I think the gates could play more of a role than just as a mean to resupply the crew, or as a method to travel. I also don't think the seeders ships are laying them everywhere at random. There must be an order to the whole process.

Maybe the ancients were trying to use them as a way to perform some type of experiment or observation on the cosmic message. Since you can't see what is happening on the other side of the universe AND what is happening here simultaneously by observation, I bet the gates allow the ancients to do just that. Take an observation of the cosmic background radiation from all over the place simultaneously.

Either that or they plan to activate all the gates at once and do something like create a time loop for everyone in the universe :D

sjleader
November 18th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Interesting points.
I actually wasn't thinking of it as a plot hole, but more hoping that we would see in future episodes a link between stargates and Destiny's mission.

Was the ship with the brown pod aliens not a seeder?

nx01a
November 18th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Putting physical needs aside, the Ancients would probably go insane after a few years flying in a metal box.Yeah. Look at what happened to them in Atlantis. :D
I still find it a fascinating idea that there is a chain of galaxies spanning from the milkyway to where destiny is, and gate systems in all those galaxies. Were we to send out a 304 from pegasus we could easily reach the next galaxy with gates in a few weeks. It's an ancient breadcrum trail.If not right back to the MW, at least somewhere close enough for a 304 to rescue them. Eventually.

The gate networks might be a way to directly send data/objects found to the Ancients back 'home', using a variation on the 'open all the gates across the galaxy at once' move that took out the Replicators or wiped the MW clean after the Ori virus. Imagine that: every stargate across billions of light years and dozens of galaxies open at once.

Generic Blue
November 18th, 2010, 10:39 PM
Which one is easier: Use shuttles which are technologically "ancient" (Pun) compared to destiny or to launch a fleet of seeder ships to seed planets then specially make it so those gates couldn't dial outside of their local groups?

You can't have it both ways. Destiny's intended method of "getting" to it can't be gating billions of lightyears away from earth through a 9 chevron address yet at the same time the people couldn't build a gate system to connect many gates across the galaxies they were seeding. You can't have a society that can apparently created a seeder ship which can go to a planet which is not seeded with a gate, farm nadaquah for the gate, build it, then place it on the planet yet those exact "gates" are needed for water and calcium and salt and were the easiest way to get the resources versus say... just recording where the planet was and what it had and actually farming the resources which any logical race could estimate would be needed. None of this makes sense especially in the guise of our crew which has been on destiny a year has almost starved to death, dehidrated, run out of energy and killed yet all these vast resources were expended building and placing gates with no logical of easy way to get any resources from them except a bucket brigade of people handing things from one to the other.

It's a plot hole, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just a hook used to build a "lost on a ship drama show" without making it "RandomName: Universe" and tie into an existing fanbase & name.

Tim

Maybe if you actually watched the show you would see all the mistakes your arguement has, soooooooo many, i mean almost everything on your post is incorrect, "run out of power" did you even make it to the fifth episode (edit: i think you said "run out of energy" and were refering to fatigue, if so sorry about the previous statement), and they didnt "make" the gates have short range its because of the limited power they have, and i cant even understand this sentence about recording planets, listen watch a show before you point out plot holes next time, okay, you might be recognized a little more. dont mean to be hating on you, just dont like it when my show is being critized by those who dont watch it. k thanks bye

timmciglobal
November 19th, 2010, 04:51 AM
ROFL.

I watch the show and don't give me that crap about the gates not having enough power... so... the universe traveling ships can't build a stargate with a power source capable of transporting them more then 8 hours of FTL speed out from their present location but those same people saw no limitation to getting to destiny which requires a power source significantly more then atlantis could produce but those same people produced the gates in the milky way which work fine and even the antarctic gate had power after millions of years in the ice.

Seriously?

No. It's simply a plot hole.

Tim

wolverine_nl
November 19th, 2010, 05:45 AM
ROFL.

I watch the show and don't give me that crap about the gates not having enough power... so... the universe traveling ships can't build a stargate with a power source capable of transporting them more then 8 hours of FTL speed out from their present location but those same people saw no limitation to getting to destiny which requires a power source significantly more then atlantis could produce but those same people produced the gates in the milky way which work fine and even the antarctic gate had power after millions of years in the ice.

Seriously?

No. It's simply a plot hole.

Tim

Who said the gates were made from naquada? The MW ones are made of it, so it provides them with partly the power it needs to connect (with only manual dailing possible), the DHD in the MW provides the power to dail.

The gates in SGU do not have a DHD, but have their own powersource, but it is unknown what it is and no1 ever proved it to be made of naquada. Also, it is unknown if manual dailing is even possible. So these gates are wayyy more simple. Maybe the Ancients didn't use naquada or did not discover it in the time they made Destiny and the seeders.
It is also so that these gates do not have the power to dail outside their galaxy, so the purpose of these gates is not intergalactic.
It is also unknown if the ones that are in 1 galaxy or proximity cluster have possible cor. updates between these gates.

But I remain at my first conclusion.
The Ancients planted the same kinda gates (is a guess) in the MW and Pegasus to get an idea of the size of the galaxy before making an enhanced gatenetwork for full use.

Why seed an unknown galaxy with enhanced gates with DHD to make a full working network, when they aren't around to use it, plus it requires too much resources, plus there is the mission of Destiny that is priority 1 probably in the automated programming of Destiny and the Seeders.

Steelbox
November 19th, 2010, 08:09 AM
Who said the gates were made from naquada? The MW ones are made of it, so it provides them with partly the power it needs to connect (with only manual dailing possible), the DHD in the MW provides the power to dail.

The gates in SGU do not have a DHD, but have their own powersource, but it is unknown what it is and no1 ever proved it to be made of naquada. Also, it is unknown if manual dailing is even possible. So these gates are wayyy more simple. Maybe the Ancients didn't use naquada or did not discover it in the time they made Destiny and the seeders.
It is also so that these gates do not have the power to dail outside their galaxy, so the purpose of these gates is not intergalactic.
It is also unknown if the ones that are in 1 galaxy or proximity cluster have possible cor. updates between these gates.

But I remain at my first conclusion.
The Ancients planted the same kinda gates (is a guess) in the MW and Pegasus to get an idea of the size of the galaxy before making an enhanced gatenetwork for full use.

Why seed an unknown galaxy with enhanced gates with DHD to make a full working network, when they aren't around to use it, plus it requires too much resources, plus there is the mission of Destiny that is priority 1 probably in the automated programming of Destiny and the Seeders.

I also can be that the Naquadah, in this versions of the gate, are not that pure. With can cause the low power we see in them. Or as Logan said not even Naquadah, altogether.

erotavlas
November 21st, 2010, 09:33 AM
I also can be that the Naquadah, in this versions of the gate, are not that pure. With can cause the low power we see in them. Or as Logan said not even Naquadah, altogether.

maybe different levels of Naquadah but I think they are still made of Naquadah. It can absorb and store such large amounts of energy making it the ideal mineral to make the stargates out of.


ROFL.

I watch the show and don't give me that crap about the gates not having enough power... so... the universe traveling ships can't build a stargate with a power source capable of transporting them more then 8 hours of FTL speed out from their present location but those same people saw no limitation to getting to destiny which requires a power source significantly more then atlantis could produce but those same people produced the gates in the milky way which work fine and even the antarctic gate had power after millions of years in the ice.

Seriously?

No. It's simply a plot hole.

Tim

you are assuming that the planetary stargates built by the seed ship need to connect out beyond their current capabilities. why? they predate both Milky way gates and Pegasus gates so their capabilities will be different, most likely less just as we have seen in the show.

I'm sure the Ancients would have either worked around this limitation or just never saw it as a limitation at all depending what they wanted to use them for.

Nth Chevron
November 21st, 2010, 04:52 PM
I am sure the Stargates have a purpose, for resupply as has been said, evacuation incase Destiny failed with an Ancient crew onboard, exploring on the way to wherever Destiny is heading, because, lets face it, knowing how long Destiny's mission has been thusfar, how many generations would have been bored ****less pending their entire lives on the longest car journey in history, with nothing really to do?

I dont think they have some function beyond a transportation device, they are there for convenience, and to assure that Destiny has as little deviation from the route as possible.

Also, Destiny wont have overtaken the seeder ships at all, they were launched an indeterminate length of time before Destiny, lets say, 500,000 years, they have greater power reserves thus can maybe travel faster than Destiny, farther and only have to drop out of FTL when the long range sensors detect a fertile planet, capable of food and such within the parameters of Ancient biology.

To those who say the show has the 'Stargate' title for no reason, just remember how both known parties have reached Destiny ;)

N.C

smart
November 21st, 2010, 06:42 PM
The primary reason would be to stop for supplies.

PantheraLeo
November 21st, 2010, 09:09 PM
I think that the reason why the Destiny-class gates have limited range and with no DHD-type device around it is due to the fact that there could be possible hostile life on the planet that could jeapordize the mission. So the idea was to put a lower class of gate first and then follow up with a much more advanced version.

My theory is that the Milky Way gates were the original gates the Ancients built (since the Antrartica gate is said to be about 50 million years old) but the Ancients decided to seed other galaxies with the "lite" version first before following up later.

It's known that the Destiny started off from Earth and onto Pegasus and then onto the rest of the universe, so I believe that Destiny shot straight for Pegasus and seeded it with the Destiny-style gates before the Ancients later updated it with the Pegasus-type gates.

garhkal
November 22nd, 2010, 01:58 AM
I think the "message" and the Stargates are linked at a fundamental level. Stargate technology is based on the idea of virtually instantaneous communication between two extremely distant points in the universe in order to connect a source and destination. As distance increases, so do power requirements. But what if it's not really a wormhole, but a network that's being accessed by the Stargates, one that links the whole universe together, every point.

My thinking is that may be what cause the original split between the Alterans and the Ori, the discovery of this message and what it meant led to the development of the communication stones (ability to sent a consciousness a vast distance virtually instantaneously). What this message meant (technological origin vs. higher power/religion) led to the split.

Later, the Alterans advanced the stone technology to the movement of people and objects between source and destination, at the cost of tremendous power, a brute force method of accessing this network.

This message contains the information to access this universal network and how to use it. Destiny and the seeders were launched to discover the rest of the message by accessing this network throughout the universe, gaining information about it. When enough of the message is known, it will provide the ability to link the whole universe via the stargates with a less "brute force" method than simple power demands...

Hm.. That is not only a novel idea, but a very intestering/plausable one.


I'd like to think Destiny limits range to conserve power more than anything else. Especially since it's storage capacity has degraded so bad.

So if it was not degraded they wouldn't have issues dialing back to earth?

Nth Chevron
November 22nd, 2010, 10:24 AM
Its been stated that Destiny is only operating on 40% of total reserves.

N.c

Steelbox
November 22nd, 2010, 10:50 AM
Its been stated that Destiny is only operating on 40% of total reserves. N.c

I believe that came out wrong from you. The power reserves are charged at 40% of designed total capacity.

beafly
November 22nd, 2010, 11:10 AM
If you were trying to analyze a signal emenating from the source of the universe and if we agree that the big bang occurred everywhere all at once. We might surmise that you'd need an antenna equally disperse. The stargates ability to instantly connect points in space might in some way serve as that antenna.

wolverine_nl
November 22nd, 2010, 11:34 AM
If you were trying to analyze a signal emenating from the source of the universe and if we agree that the big bang occurred everywhere all at once. We might surmise that you'd need an antenna equally disperse. The stargates ability to instantly connect points in space might in some way serve as that antenna.

problem with that is that the gates cannot intergalacticaly connect. Or a similair technology like the stones (signalwise) is build in them

PantheraLeo
November 22nd, 2010, 07:40 PM
problem with that is that the gates cannot intergalacticaly connect. Or a similair technology like the stones (signalwise) is build in them

Or maybe that's the whole idea. Each gate is given the task to "guard" a certain portion of space to prevent too much overlap.
On a local scale, overlapping issues could be ironed out easily but as it expands to an intergalactic scale, the difficulty would increase exponentially..

Nth
November 22nd, 2010, 07:54 PM
I was under the impression that Destiny's gate is fully capable of dialing back to Earth. The degraded condition of the ship is what's stopping it. The first attempt to dial back failed because Destiny's power storage cells are only functioning at 40% capacity. The second was because the power conduits, hull, and shields of the ship were so damaged they couldn't handle dialing while in the sun. The third attempt only failed because the aliens on the seeder ship stopped the power transfer to Destiny.

Going to Destiny was never meant to be a one way or one shot trip for the Ancients. They probably planed to have regular supply drops from the MW via the Stargate making the whole seeder gate ship thing a plot hole.

This begs the question, just how much energy are Destiny's power cells able to hold? It takes a whole planet worth of Naquata to get to Destiny but one seeder ship has the power to send them back? Does that mean this one seeder ship has more power than a three ZPM'd Atlantis?

morbosfist
November 22nd, 2010, 08:04 PM
There's no guarantee that Destiny could dial Earth now even at 100%. We don't know how much 40% is in reference to the needed power requirements. Dialling Earth in a star could also blow up the ship even at full power if it takes too much energy away from the recharging shields.

A seed ship holds that kind of power because you need it to run a gate factory, create their power sources, etc.

Incidentally, there's also no proof that it wasn't meant to be a one-way trip for even the Ancients. They may have been ok with the idea.

PantheraLeo
November 22nd, 2010, 08:33 PM
I have to agree with Nth that it's unlikey the Ancients would want to board Destiny on a one-way trip...

Nth
November 22nd, 2010, 08:45 PM
Incidentally, there's also no proof that it wasn't meant to be a one-way trip for even the Ancients. They may have been ok with the idea.


INT—GATE ROOM

[Riley studies a console. Several people, including Young and Greer, wander the room.]

RILEY
Sir, I think I got it. It wasn't even that hard to find, it's right here in the dialing program.

YOUNG
You're sure?

RILEY
Yes, it's an eight-symbol address.

GREER
You mean you can dial this thing back to Earth?

The Ancients did plan on coming home.

morbosfist
November 22nd, 2010, 09:23 PM
The Ancients did plan on coming home.That proves nothing. Just because they had Earth in the computer does not mean they intended to be able to come home whenever they wanted.

Nth
November 23rd, 2010, 07:08 AM
That proves nothing. Just because they had Earth in the computer does not mean they intended to be able to come home whenever they wanted.

That is a straw man argument. No one ever suggested they could dial home whenever they wanted. I was proving that it wasn't intended to be a one way mission by the Ancients as you suggested in a previous post. Having an 8+1 digit address for Earth in the dialing program shows that not only did the Ancients plan to dial home but with a 9 digit power hungry across the universe address.

If the ship wasn't capable of this why have the address in the program? Why not a 7 or 8 digit address since those would actually work for a while? Even if it was included for posterity the Ancients with all of their safety protocols would have put a lock out on it if the ship wasn't suppose to be able to dial it. Riley just pushes the speed dial button and the gate starts spinning.

That along with Rush, Eli, or any of the other scientists ever saying that it wasn't possible makes for pretty convincing evidence to me.

T-N-Z
November 23rd, 2010, 12:02 PM
I don't understand one thing, if these gates don't have that much power like gates in MW/Pegasus, why do they still have all 9 chevrons ? They build it with all chevrons, so there must be way to dial back to Earth or anywhere else.

blackluster
November 23rd, 2010, 12:57 PM
I don't understand one thing, if these gates don't have that much power like gates in MW/Pegasus, why do they still have all 9 chevrons ? They build it with all chevrons, so there must be way to dial back to Earth or anywhere else. I suppose it would be interesting if other combinations of 9 chevrons did something interesting besides opening wormholes.

garhkal
November 24th, 2010, 04:55 AM
Maybe cause the ancients felt might as welldo so, just in case later we decide to upgrade them..

cheezegr8r
November 24th, 2010, 04:26 PM
There is a purpose for the stargates being where they are next to resuplying the crew and the ship. The gates have to do something when the ship is at its destination, is my guess ;)

Ahhh... now that is interesting. we've seen in SG-1 where all the gates have an update system and could all be dialed simultaneously. what we don't know is are the seederships traveling in a straight line along destiny's course kinda of laying a line of gates or are they distributing them around the various galaxies they travel to?

Having a string of gates worked in SGA to create a highway between Atlantis and earth with a way station in the middle. mabey the various gate ships are programmed to stop a certain intervals to act like way stations. that might explain the ship that talford got stuck on. it has massive amounts of energy on it. so much that they though they could use it to dial home!

hmmmm... very intersting.

gatygun
September 28th, 2015, 05:59 PM
The ancients wanted to know what was at the end of the universe or whatever they called it.

It's easy to assume that this whole idea was a endless never ending story as there could easily be no end at all towards it.

This made sending out destiny without gate ships a complete pointless idea. Specially as those things would probably cost massive amounts of resources and time to be created.

So it makes sense that destiny true mission isn't to go towards the end of the universe but rather make it possible to connect the ancients with other more remote area's and expand there own knowledge. For study or maybe even to find locations of life or materials that the ancients could help in there daily lifes. ( why do we send ships into space? because we want to learn ). It's also good possible as atlantis already showcased this, that they where trying to find a good replacement for earth when the wrath would find ever find them or assault them in the milky way. Which made seeding galaxy's with gates a good solution if not a needed solution. ( as destiny got launched from earth, it was for them a safe haven from the wrath galaxy, it could very well be that they searched for a better galaxy then ours to move towards ).

Also then there is the following thing. Destiny is equipped with guns. This also means that the ancients where afraid of the destiny being attacked and also needed a solution to defend itself. What if the gate seeder ships that are pushed forwards not only where there to push gates into planets for study and connection with destiny. But maybe they where also far bigger war equiped war ships to scout out for destiny if a trajection is safe to pass through and relay that information towards destiny.

Also if the ancients wanted to push towards the end of the universe, it's possible that they calculated on what they thought on how long it would take before it would hit it. It's good possible that they calculated a number on how long it would take before destiny would catch up with the seeder ships, if destiny is faster then the seeder ships to start with. That number would probably be insanely big as still after 10.000 of years ( if i remember correctly ) it never catched up towards them. If that number would be lower then 10.000 years destiny would pretty much join the seeder ships.

It's good to say then that the seeder ships are just as fast as destiny or even faster because of this.

I'm also unsure if the seeder ships really need a lot of time to push gates forwards. It's good possible that they come out of there hyperspace and launch the gates onto the worlds automatically with own self rockets ( the gates are tiny space ships itself ). It could very well be that they analize the enviroment in hyperspace already and push gates on planets that are worth it. Think about going out of hyperspace + launch + goes into hyperspace again ( like a 20 seconds solution ).

But those ships also needs to gather resources to create those gates, but how long / how that exactly is going to work i dunno. It could be that the ship will just dive into a star like destiny and push all the materials from that star into there stocking pile and get the materials needed once every 10 years or whatever. Which could be safe to assume as destiny also does this with energy.

I dunno the amount of seeder ships they pushed forwards, but the moment there are not enough of them, or ships are shot down or mallfunctioning there wouldn't be a way to get gates on planets anymore to seed for destiny to reach.

So either it's safe to assume that after destiny got so much damage already, and gates are stil placed. it's a solid idea that they sended out a ton of those ships and destiny could be a ship that is launched like a 1000 years later when they realized that the universe was bigger then they originally aspected to get a way to close the gap gate wise.

But another thing is interesting.

The aliens that track destiny seems to be incredible interested in it. Why would they? didn't already ships way earlier pass that thrown gates on there worlds? where they not developed yet enough to find these ships or see them or couldn't they track them in that time.

So when destiny passed they had a chance to understand more of what is going on around them, and took it by chasing it.

But the moment they see aliens, the only thing they want is to fight. Now that could pretty much be the way they live but it could also mean that the ships ( gate ships ) could have attacked them prior towards destiny moved past it. Which makes the gate / seeder ships more a scout solution more valid. But why does destiny still get tracked and chased by aliens which the seeder ships should have encountered earlier.

etc etc gona sleep now tho.

garhkal
September 28th, 2015, 09:43 PM
Maybe the pasing OF the seed ships prompted those blue aliens to build ships, so when they finally got them built they discovered the Destiny following, and decided to latch onto it, to learn of why...

thekillman
September 29th, 2015, 07:58 AM
Maybe the pasing OF the seed ships prompted those blue aliens to build ships, so when they finally got them built they discovered the Destiny following, and decided to latch onto it, to learn of why...

or they were terrified that the seed ships were paving the way for an alien invasion and thought that Destiny was the first of the enemy fleet to arrive.

garhkal
September 29th, 2015, 11:24 PM
That's a good possibility.

gatygun
October 14th, 2015, 05:34 PM
I can't remember the exact communications and information from the series anymore. Because i got a terrible long term memory.

But from what i noticed was that the aliens did started with surrender or something like that the moment they tried to communicate or whatever else.

Also did they know what there language is or the destiny knew the language of them.

This means there has to be some kind of learning process between those ships and that species.

Now that the species are hostile directly from the start and also start to abduct them and try to change them or whatever. It's safe to assume that there has been something going on with those ships and there world(s).

It's also possible for them to keep up with destiny as long as they track it. This means they are advanced.

So basically, there needs to be a reason why they think that destiny is hostile directly from the get go and not friends.

Now it could be that the seeder ships also war ships could have had a battle with them, one of the ships got lost or destroyed a planet or did something hostile by accident or whatever. And they found the tracking signal on it towards destiny.

But if you watched season 2 a bit further down, they introduced a new species ( will call species 2 ) but also those robot androids that wipes everything out they find and even the ancient destiny struggles to do much against them alone.

Why would they introduce a new species that get wiped out by those droids, it's there to make those droids stand out more as a main villain. They also clearly stated that they could prevent destiny from recharging and refueling there crew. So they are technology more advanced or atleast equal.

It's good possible that those first species also got attacked by those droids and think that the people on destiny ( when they noticed it and passed by it ) could be there command ship. ( because why not right? it's not like there is anybody else out there )

It could very well be that they think the human species is there with robots and high advance mothership trying to clean out everybody and anything for populations because they kill everything and place gates on worlds. Which directly makes them aggressive against the destiny and anybody on it.

It could also mean that maybe like the other species there entire species has been whiped out and that's all there is left of them.

This also explains why they try to study those humans and want to get the destiny controlled in order to maybe stop it or make it there own technology.

I'm not to sure how it ends with the droids or that species in general. I believe it stopped them trying to outrun the droids towards another star system.

It's good possible after this that the show intended to go more into the droids as new type of replicators that would harras them everywhere.

It could also be that they would halted those droids clean the entire show up and would restart all over again in the new system.

Because from what i readed from what they wanted to do after the ending was simple not clear yet. They where busy with building a story on what happens in the 3 years they would travel through the star systems, but where stuck on the fact they had to push action into a new season opening.

So my conclusion basically is:

1) the hostile aliens are whiped out by the droids or attacked and search a way to kill them off find there command center, or simple try to survive and adapt other species towards there gen code in order to push there species forwards or whatever else ( kinda like cloning of the asgard ). Either way they wanted to win and dominate.

2) the droids are the main villans

3) destiny will be like lost a series that simple never has a ending builded from the start, and they could just go on until it was cancelled without giving it a real ending, and at the time that they needed to make one when the series ended it wouldn't matter anyway anymore.

It could very well be a similator or whatever else junk they can think off to see if you where capable to descent in pure energy like the ancients where. Who knows.

JineteDelTiempo
April 18th, 2016, 09:26 AM
Hi. I'm from Mexico. I do not have much practice in English but I understand quite well, so excuse me if I'm wrong in my grammar.
I was interested in the post and I would like to create a timeline based on what I understand watching the series (seeing it for the fifth time), adding expeculaciones-theories-wishes. It did not include dates because sometimes mistaken in their estimates counted in millions and millennia and thus expose my point of view.

- The Alteran and Ori are divided by philosophical issues. I assume that at this point were already a species with advanced technology and already there were some good and bad acends living in the same galaxy.
- The Alteran decide to move to the Milky Way where for several thousand years thrive culturally and technologically. Perhaps the good acends went with them and there was more during this time.
- The hidden message mentioned in stargate universe (which as I understand is only one sign that there is an intelligence behind the bing bang and the creation of the universe) is discovered, planters stargates ships are created and sent to other galaxies with objective, as I understand, of extrablecer stargates in habitable planets, explore the universe, look for more signs or fragments of this "message."
- The ship Destiny is created and sent to collect and analyze the data obtained by the stargate seeders. Hence follows a route that helps you come across are ships at certain points along the way and to consider what might be considered interesting tracks or other pieces of that "message." His speed is slow, maybe not so much for their technologies limitations but by the need for the destiny ship and seedships need time to put the doors, collect the material to continue creating and placing doors and analyze planets, systems and data and "breaks" to not overload or force the systems.
- In the Milky Way, the Alteran form an alliance with Knox, The Asgard (who's not forget also have gates in your galaxy) and Fullings to share knowledge. My theory was that there is a division of thinking between Fullings (which are from another galaxy, but had colonies in our galaxy) and had different ideas about the so-called "message" to others and decided to leave the alliance and get into their own affairs. Much later they decide the destiny track and find out what obtained. For me were blue extratterestres. While the Asgard are dedicated to research your clonic degeneration. Knox retreat to their own more focused in his expiritual growth that mundane things. For me they are a kind of ascended with mortal body.
- The Ori (those who have already acend) discovered in that galaxy are the alteran and send a biological weapon that creates a pandemic in the Milky Way. The Alteran begin to die.
- The people of the city-ship Atlantis Pegasus decide to emigrate to see that they are losing the war against the pandemic. Some alteran stay. The Goaguls are taking guests and appropriating technology left behind by the Alteran.
- The Alteran left in the Milky Way are practically extinct or promoted and create the weapon Dakara to repopulate the Milky Way. This was explained in chapter Anubis Threat. What few remaining no longer form a society because they are only a few and are exparcidos by different planets, besides losing to the growing threat goaul.
- Meanwhile in Pegasus the alteran lose the war against the wraith, they leave Atlantis and return to the Milky Way. As Morgana say, those who survived the plague are perhaps no more than a dozen, plus perhaps some 100 who returned from Atlantis spread throughout the galaxy rather than rebuild their society.
- They spend hundreds, perhaps thousands of years and Merlin has to this point has already risen decide to take a deadly form and preprararse to destroy the Ori.
- In Pegasus they survive some alter that or acendieron or physiology was not sufficiently advanced to have powers or climb and were the ancestors of humans that we see when we meet Teyla and Ronon to.As happened in the Ori galaxy, some alteran remained normal humans and were subdued by the already ascended
- And there're good and know what happens, movies and series of this wonderful world.

Like several of here I think the gates have a target beyond serving to supply the crew of the Destiny. As I mentioned, stargate ships seeders analyzed the planets and placed gates in planes that could hold or develop life and also sought evidence of that message, that intelligence behind the Bing Bang, and were also explorers as llanus said. As some of you think the system could be used to return doors to the Milky Way from the limits of the galaxy or any galaxy. If you recall, the system doors are called each other to compensate for the expanción the universe and may be called to all simultaneously. If every door does not have enough energy to call between galaxies, but has seen a black hole can feed a door indefinitely and the ZPM. And we have seen with the Mackoy-Carter bridge, a door system can pass information from door to door to cover the space between galaxies and I guess you can still do so within the same galaxy. For one thing, from the earth or from almost any door in the Milky Way pegasus or you can go anywhere within the same galaxy despite the size of the galaxy that can be larger or smaller space between they. Perhaps more than an update image of the door (go from a little old to image modern) you need it is an update of sotware or activate a code. I mean, the door of the earth is the oldest and still works well, right? The ancients did things to last, despite them look modern or old.
I also believe that the ship destination has an artificial intelligence that is halfway of ascent. I explain. As seen with the chair, the awareness of a person can be "charged" in memory of the ship. Perhaps the creators of the ship did that to care for the destination as an artificial intelligence that could control the ship and when their descendants arrive teacher and help them complete their mission. Why is Rush aparecian a familiar face as Dr. Franklin. Perhaps because it is actually a collective consciousness of all those who promoted and integrated to the ship and help decide the issue discreetly.
I would have liked that blue alien were the furlins and they decided to follow the Destiny because they believed in the mission discovered that lay behind the creation of the universe or believe it was dangerous to do so and sought to steal the data it had compiled the explore the universe automatically.
Perhaps also that some Alteran group had a small colony in another galaxy and to help reach the destiny or at some point of the journey. Ie, a descendant of the Alteran society that continued to explore the universe and develop tencologicamente and culturally.
it would have been good that at some point of the destination of the trip will be met with Supergate created by some other advanced species and thereby using the Supergate of the Milky Way will receive a support of another ship, perhaps The Hammond. Yes, there could return, but perhaps the Destiny not fit and several decided to stay and continue the mission of the The Destiny and only a few return to earth. So one could get help and not return to the earth to accomplish the mission.

It's a shame this series came to an end, because despite not being famous as star trek or star wars, have great potential and where escarvar material.