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icsteffi
November 17th, 2010, 06:40 AM
Young: "I don't believe he intended for Riley to die." "I'm trying to understand why he did what he did." "On the contrary, so far it seems like everything you said is true."

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What do you all thing of 'Young's new spirit of cooperation?' He seemed to send Rush away pretty quick. Do you think that they will ever actually be able to trust each-other completely?

Can they ever be a Teal'c and a Jackson, or a Sheppard and an ...ummm...Weir? :D

Or, if you would rather...what is more interesting (just plain opinions)...them being enemies, friends, or frenemies?

Girlbot
November 17th, 2010, 06:42 AM
I call Frenemies. Too much has happened for them to be true friends. Young will always have a distrust of Rush, no matter how slight it becomes IMO

Rylor
November 17th, 2010, 07:23 AM
I found it rather curious, that Young seemed to trust him that quickly. In the past, he displayed almost paranoid tendencies, sometimes doubting / accusing Rush without any real evidence. But I guess time will tell. I agree with Girlbot that they won't become friends.

icsteffi
November 17th, 2010, 07:25 AM
Young has no reason to get back home though. He was deeeeeenied. Maybe he will want to follow through with the mission and side with Rush enough to start a friendship......

MattSilver 3k
November 17th, 2010, 07:27 AM
Young is the leader of the ship, and if he goes out of his way to trust Rush, maybe the rest of the crew will soon follow (Some of the military, at least). Like I've said in another thread, I think he's probably not all forgiving, but he understands that cooperation needs to happen, he thinks Rush won't immediately welch out of anything, and he's hoping he won't get burned.

xxxevilgrinxxx
November 17th, 2010, 07:34 AM
Young is the leader of the ship, and if he goes out of his way to trust Rush, maybe the rest of the crew will soon follow (Some of the military, at least). Like I've said in another thread, I think he's probably not all forgiving, but he understands that cooperation needs to happen, he thinks Rush won't immediately welch out of anything, and he's hoping he won't get burned.

This. And it's not the only time that Young has done that. There was an attempt in Space as well, when he could have spilled the beans about Rush and didn't. Young may never completely buy what comes out of Rush and he's likely to check things with Eli but I think for the sake of the crew, he's willing to be seen to trust him.

thekillman
November 17th, 2010, 08:19 AM
cooperation and friendship are two VERY different things

Kaiphantom
November 17th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Perhaps Young knows that, because he didn't fully trust Rush before, it's led to bad things. If you want someone to trust you, then you have to be willing to trust them. I think Young realizes that now, and is going to try it. Time will tell how well it works out.

Retro_Invasion
November 17th, 2010, 10:15 AM
Maybe they will end up as lovers ;)

The writers have created what looks like an extreme of the soldier/scientist dynamic that is prevalent throughout the franchise: Jack/Daniel, Rodney/John.

blackluster
November 17th, 2010, 10:21 AM
Or, if you would rather...what is more interesting (just plain opinions)...them being enemies, friends, or frenemies? Well, Rush did save Young's life in a very personal way at the end of the last episode, so on the cooperation front, Rush has moved first in this second attempt at teaming up. Having said that though, the ball does seem to be in Rush's court for now. To me it seems like a question of how much incompetence from Young and the other scientists can Rush tolerate. That would determine how well the two would get on in the future.

kudra
November 17th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Even though I've loved all the Rush/Young fighting I'm hoping they will start moving towards trusting each other and working as a team. Even if they don't become best pals a little mutual respect would be nice.

Alot of Rush's sneaking / lying has been rooted in his singular desire to avoid going home but now Young might also coming around to the idea of staying aboard & completing the mission. I think this could give them some common ground to build a friendship/good working relationship on.

I do believe that if Young gets on board with Destiny's mission and keeps acting like a competent leader as he has in the last 2 episodes then Rush will stop trying to work around or undermine him.

Jeffer
November 17th, 2010, 09:45 PM
No not in the since that they will be drinking buddies. They have both figured out that working together is what has to happen if they want to get anything done. Rush's actions in for the greater good showed Young that Rush is willing to try and I think that Young wants to repay that favor it would have been very easy for Rush to just let him fly into space and i half expected him to do just that

Pharaoh Atem
November 17th, 2010, 09:57 PM
I call Frenemies. Too much has happened for them to be true friends. Young will always have a distrust of Rush, no matter how slight it becomes IMO

agreed to a point. i do feel that rush and young will get along much better now

Replicator Todd
November 17th, 2010, 09:59 PM
I call Frenemies. Too much has happened for them to be true friends. Young will always have a distrust of Rush, no matter how slight it becomes IMO

Indeed! But I think Young will put more trust into Rush from now on....until Rush messes up again. :p

GateroomGuard
November 17th, 2010, 10:03 PM
Young and Rush, best of friends. :)

sjleader
November 17th, 2010, 10:40 PM
I think Young needs purpose. IF Rush is telling the truth now which it seems he is, I think Young (who is capable of being a great commander) will want something to live for, something to prove he is worthy-- complete Destiny's mission. Rush will support him to this end for sure.
Unless of course he thinks he can get everyone home another way...

garhkal
November 18th, 2010, 03:54 AM
I call Frenemies. Too much has happened for them to be true friends. Young will always have a distrust of Rush, no matter how slight it becomes IMO

Agreed... though with what has been proven so far, and with how even scott and others seem to agree with what he has done so far, i can at least see them respecting him.




Perhaps Young knows that, because he didn't fully trust Rush before, it's led to bad things. If you want someone to trust you, then you have to be willing to trust them. I think Young realizes that now, and is going to try it. Time will tell how well it works out.



Very true. He see;s how bad he made things, what depts he dove too, and the ramifications they created. He now (IMO) realies that to stop that happening he needs to actually keep the head scientist on his good side.


I think Young needs purpose. IF Rush is telling the truth now which it seems he is, I think Young (who is capable of being a great commander) will want something to live for, something to prove he is worthy-- complete Destiny's mission. Rush will support him to this end for sure.

That is a good point. Young has continuously seemed to be of the mindset they have no real goal other than going home. Now with this "On the table" he has said goal.

Tuvok
November 18th, 2010, 05:26 AM
Oh they are going to go camping with one another. Have smores, sing alongs and exchange jokes while on away missions.

Kidding.

Rush understands that Young is the leader he will not be pushed around. Not to be underestimated. Can be trusted to work with to a degree and he can count on full support when they have the same objective.

Young knows that Rush is neigh invaluable to their survival. And that behind the bluster and deceit and ego is the man with the plan. Who should be respected but maybe not so trusted.

Still...they may share a drink or two when able.

blackluster
November 18th, 2010, 06:09 AM
Still...they may share a drink or two when able. Or maybe a game of chess would be more appropriate.

garhkal
November 18th, 2010, 11:31 PM
We are still waiting for it. How many pieces has rush made... anyone know?

pipi
November 19th, 2010, 05:17 PM
They both probably came to a truce. The crew won't function without Young and the ship needs Rush to unlock its mysteries. They can either be dks to each other or just get on with the job. Both with good intentions.