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GateWorld
November 6th, 2010, 06:02 PM
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Magnus and her team attempt to penetrate Hollow Earth in search of her father and a cure for her illness, and find an advanced civilization that is less than welcoming of outsiders. Back at the Sanctuary, Tesla and Druitt work with Adam to find an alternate way into the city.

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Skydiver
December 17th, 2010, 08:06 PM
quite the cliffie. we end with our heroes all dead. Eek

so, how'll it end up?

my money is on

helen's dad, who's working for the super abbies will saw, will orchestrate their salvation. the reason will be two fold. stop adam, who's infiltrated, and save the city, which is dying. I think the earthquakes means that the city is doomed and will soon be destroyed

anyone else get a kick outta praxis? very funny, damian's trek is showing.

the episode was pretty well paced if it was kinda all set up for the second part. we have at least 4 distinct groups here....farmers barred from the city, the city dwellers, the monks and the creepies. and they all seem to be operating for their own motives.

I think my biggest crit...dude, polly walker's costume sooo was not flattering.

hedwig
December 17th, 2010, 08:07 PM
I kept getting flashbacks to SG1, Beneath the Surface, in various places of this episode. :)

And while Tesla may be angry at being left behind, it's a good thing actually given Adam's betrayal - like anybody thought that wouldn't happen. I couldn't help but tsk, tsk over John actually going along with Adam's plan.

I also had the feeling that the group watching the execution were holograms and not real people. And I'm sort of wondering about Polly's character, too. It seemed as though she literally wasn't hearing anything Helen and her group were saying to her - a hologram would behave that way. Just a thought.

And I thought Polly's outfit was pretty bad, too.

morbosfist
December 17th, 2010, 08:13 PM
Certainly an interesting way to do a mid-season finale. Dead main cast will draw viewers for the inevitable revival.

Emengee
December 17th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Agreed! Her outfit was Horrible!

I love and HATE this episode!

Jacquelyn
December 17th, 2010, 08:17 PM
Okay I'm a little better now.. Though OMG I'm sure we all REALLYYY wanna know what happens! Darn it!! I hope we don't have to wait too long to see the next ep :(

Btw..
I LOVED what Nikola said! :lol: SON.OF.A.B****

MidwifeOnBoard
December 17th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Best line?

SON OF A B*TCH! :lol: Oh, Tesla...

Cliffhanger? Meh. Knowing there's another 10 eps in the can, I doubt the heroes are dead.

Must rewatch in the morning. Hard to be coherent after http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x125/MidwifeonBoard/emoticons/italiamac_vino.gif before watching. ;)

hedwig
December 17th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Best line?

SON OF A B*TCH! :lol: Oh, Tesla...

Cliffhanger? Meh. Knowing there's another 10 eps in the can, I doubt the heroes are dead.

Must rewatch in the morning. Hard to be coherent after http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x125/MidwifeonBoard/emoticons/italiamac_vino.gif before watching. ;)

Did you notice Helen is wearing those boots you like?:p:D Or, at least, a pair similar.

Steff
December 17th, 2010, 08:31 PM
*roaming around house repeating* "I hate this type of episode... all leading to a future episode some time in the unknown bloody future" All the beauty of the special effects for the city where spoiled for me since I kept repeating."They are not going to answer anything tonight" "Bloody Hell!"

suse
December 17th, 2010, 08:33 PM
I was using Spaceball lines, and unlike most S9/S10 SG-1 eps, they were used in a good way. :)

Many great lines, after I watch it again, I'll review more. :)

And yes, Polly Walker's character was in a VERY unflattering dress.

Jacquelyn
December 17th, 2010, 08:33 PM
Did you notice Helen is wearing those boots you like?:p:D Or, at least, a pair similar.

Helen always wears the best clothes and such :D I want alot of her clothes. LOL

MidwifeOnBoard
December 17th, 2010, 08:34 PM
Did you notice Helen is wearing those boots you like?:p:D Or, at least, a pair similar.

I did! I even tweeted about it! :D :P I want those boots. Alas, $1000 is a bit steep for a pair of shoes, even for me. Tho if they came up for auction for S4K, I'd consider it. Except I'm pretty sure they'd be a few sizes too big. :P


*roaming around house repeating* "I hate this type of episode... all leading to a future episode some time in the unknown bloody future" All the beauty of the special effects for the city where spoiled for me since I kept repeating."They are not going to answer anything tonight" "Bloody Hell!"

I still think that is a key phrase in any Sanctuary drinking game. Along with, "Good God."

Jacquelyn
December 17th, 2010, 08:42 PM
I did! I even tweeted about it! :D :P I want those boots. Alas, $1000 is a bit steep for a pair of shoes, even for me. Tho if they came up for auction for S4K, I'd consider it. Except I'm pretty sure they'd be a few sizes too big. :P

NO! I WANT those boots! :P LOL *grabs them and runs* HAHA!

Magic_Amethyst80
December 17th, 2010, 09:09 PM
*roaming around house repeating* "I hate this type of episode... all leading to a future episode some time in the unknown bloody future" All the beauty of the special effects for the city where spoiled for me since I kept repeating."They are not going to answer anything tonight" "Bloody Hell!


Have to agree, they didn't answer anything, and there wasn't enough character interaction. The acting and the character's are this show's strength, not the special effects. In tonight's episode they seemed to be sacrificing character interaction for things like CGI holographic dragons. Most of us are watching this show for the characters, and not to see what they can accomplish on a green screen.

mandogater
December 17th, 2010, 09:28 PM
It's going to be an annoyingly long wait to see how the writers get our heroes out of this one.

Is it me or did the stunner used on Kate and Henry look like the point of origin for the planet in SG-1's the Gamekeeper?

Rocky89
December 17th, 2010, 10:02 PM
Wow, what an epic episode, and epic ending!

I got a little SG-1 referenced in there with "The Devil You Know" and how Helen handled Hyde bringing up "loosing a child". I like how the team went straight to work on getting to the city, and Henry's "I have to pee" line. :p I really like how John and Tesla interacted with Hyde, they clearly can't stand him, and I was cheering for John when he was choking him, no one bashes Helen when he's around. ;) Once the team got inside, the real fun began, and I laughed at Henry's face when he went through the gate, and I actually got a little worried for Helen when she walked through. The Helen and Will scenes were my fave (duh) and I loved Helen's move on the bridge, damn that woman has got skills, but poor Will had to go slow.

Is there anything Helen isn't fascinated by? She just went right into that faeces while Will couldn't go near it. :p It seems most bad monsters hate Will, and I loved how he didn't listen to Helen and kept looking at that-- for lack of a better word, dragon, and his "Nice kitty" was so funny. :p But Helen was able to save his butt yet again. ;) The "lights" those kids had on their hands reminded me of a Goa'uld device, but it was cool. ;) The people were nice and I know Will didn't like the food, but I'm not sure about Helen. :p That was a cool pod ride, and I loved her little smirk when she got out. :p As for Henry ad Kate, I think they had some cool time today together, I always enjoy them together, and how she tried to help his leg.

John and Tesla were great together, they could be a cool team, but I laughed when John left Tesla behind when he said he'd take home with him. I had a feeling Adam/Hyde couldn't be trusted, but damn, John can fight. ;) The one thing I didn't like was how evil and dark PW's character was, no compassion, no heart, just evil. And what was she wearing? :S

Overall it was a great episode, the FX effect were awesome, it had a movie feel to it, like a cross between Ark of Truth and Lord of the Rings. Awesome cliffhanger, and I can't wait to see what happens next time. ;) OK, I'll review more in my replies. :)

PS: LOVED Tesla's SOB line. :p

Spimman
December 17th, 2010, 10:04 PM
What a cliffhanger, I needed a really good midseason finale to lift my mood from other news I heard today :McKay:

The technology is really awesome, I expected more abnormals mixed with the humans. They were all so cold, kinda reminded me of the Tolans.

hedwig
December 17th, 2010, 10:27 PM
It was interesting to hear Polly's character say something about abnormals being so horrible (and seeing Helen's reaction to her statement), and how anti the hollow earth people apparently were about them. I wonder if the people who live outside the city are some sort of abnormals - or the nomadic people that helped Helen and Will anyway. Certainly the ones that helped Adam trap John were abnormals.


It seems most bad monsters hate Will, and I loved how he didn't listen to Helen and kept looking at that-- for lack of a better word, dragon, and his "Nice kitty" was so funny.

I think Helen said it was a basilisk. She was using her mirror so as not to look directly at it, since doing so would cause instant death, which was why she kept telling Will to not look directly at it.

AresLover452
December 17th, 2010, 10:27 PM
LIKE OH HOLY CRAP!!!!! WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!

*Takes Breath*

This was awesome!!

Loved the boys playing somewhat nice with each other until John left Nikola in the Sanctuary. Taht was hilarious!

llp
December 17th, 2010, 10:49 PM
This one was a really great episode. The cliffhanger was so unfair. You know they are coming back, but how? Someone mentioned about those people being holograms. I think they were supposed to be somewhere else in reality but needed to attend the "execution". One of them looked like he was there.
Oh there is so much more to this story.....how long to we have to wait until the second half of the season is on???? :mckay: :D:D:D

Rocky89
December 17th, 2010, 11:47 PM
anyone else get a kick outta praxis? very funny, damian's trek is showing.

Yeah, I thought that too. :p


I think my biggest crit...dude, polly walker's costume sooo was not flattering.

Agreed, it looked sooo. :S


I kept getting flashbacks to SG1, Beneath the Surface, in various places of this episode. :)

BTS, I forgot about that one. ;) Good ear. ;)


And while Tesla may be angry at being left behind, it's a good thing actually given Adam's betrayal - like anybody thought that wouldn't happen. I couldn't help but tsk, tsk over John actually going along with Adam's plan.

Also, since he's not a vampire anymore, he's not exactly able to fight off attacks, so maybe him staying behind was for the best.


I also had the feeling that the group watching the execution were holograms and not real people. And I'm sort of wondering about Polly's character, too. It seemed as though she literally wasn't hearing anything Helen and her group were , saying to her - a hologram would behave that way. Just a thought.

And I thought Polly's outfit was pretty bad, too.

She did respond to what they were saying, and told Henry he was unable to change into a wolf, so I do believe she was in fact there. And yeah, her clothes were a big no. :S :p

RealmOfX
December 18th, 2010, 12:03 AM
Have I mentioned recently how much I HATE cliffhangers?!?!?!?!?!?!

Great episode! It was over before I knew it. <sigh>

I'm going to watch it again after I grab some dinner. :D




quite the cliffie. we end with our heroes all dead. Eek

so, how'll it end up?

my money is on

helen's dad, who's working for the super abbies will saw, will orchestrate their salvation. the reason will be two fold. stop adam, who's infiltrated, and save the city, which is dying. I think the earthquakes means that the city is doomed and will soon be destroyed

anyone else get a kick outta praxis? very funny, damian's trek is showing.

the episode was pretty well paced if it was kinda all set up for the second part. we have at least 4 distinct groups here....farmers barred from the city, the city dwellers, the monks and the creepies. and they all seem to be operating for their own motives.

I think my biggest crit...dude, polly walker's costume sooo was not flattering.

I'll lay money on that too.

Chelle DB
December 18th, 2010, 05:55 AM
I hate cliffhangers. I wonder if it's necessarily a good idea to always end a season or half season on a cliffhanger? When I say I wonder, I mean I only wonder. I'm sure a lot of you love cliffhangers or feel they are necessary but I'm really over them.
Who ever this "Polly Pocket" is, I don't think much of her character at all.
I really didn't like the ending. I loved the in between stuff but the ending was just too...I dunno what the right word is but I didn't enjoy it at all. Not that I'm concerned for our heroes lives - I'm sure that things will eventually turn out hunky-dory but it just didn't tickle me.
Could really see the trap by Adam when he & John went to to Hollow earth - like that wasn't gonna happen. :rolleyes:
Tesla remains awesome as ever...his words were brilliantly said!!
Loved when Kate made a reference to Indiana Jones...thought that was cute - one of my highlights for me.
Didn't like the basilisk - very Harry Potter-ish.
Sadly, I just didn't get the satisfaction out of this episode I was hoping for.:( Oh well, here's hoping the next half of the season makes up for it.
Sorry. I know most if you probably just love it but I don't. It's fine, don't get me wrong but it just didn't give me the goosebumps I've come to expect from Sanctuary. Sorry.

meredithchandler73
December 18th, 2010, 06:27 AM
My thoughts on Sanctuary Season 3 Episode 10 - The Hollow Men:
--LONGEST. "PREVIOUSLY ON". EVER.
--Love how they mock Tesla for his inability to name things.
--"Huey, Dewey and Screwy"
--"I have to pee."
--I suppose Biggie is still recovering from his injuries, otherwise he would definitely have joined this mission and been on hand to protect Helen.
--"She never loved you, you know that?"
--Adam loves to go for those sore spots and poke at them, doesn't he?
--Ooooh - the first time we see John the killer again. And yet, he doesn't seem out of control. It seemed merely like a response to Adam provoking him. Biggie would have probably wanted to throttle him as well if he kept talking like that. My thought - that John no longer has the energy creature inside of him - seems still very plausible.
--"He isn't worth it. Pardon the pun."
--I like how the door gets jammed due to ice and how it isn't super simple for them to get rid of the blockage. I've often thought about that kind of thing as I watched Indiana Jones movies - how is it that secret doors that haven't been touched in ages still move with ease???
--"Eenie, meanie, mynie…" "There goes Moe."
--Helen speculates that this may be the source of all abnormal life. An interesting thought.
--Helen moves with such grace!!! That drop down to go under the bridge was awesome! Helen gets a 10! Will - ah...3.2.
--Another rock slide. Are those supposed to be happening? Perhaps the underground city is in trouble.
--Love how Helen isn't phased at all by the smell of a huge pile of excrement! A true scientist.
--"How large an animal would it take…" "Oh, quite large."
--Hmmm…here they be dragons!
--I love how Will thinks the basilisk is cool.
--"It's not a toy!"
--"Why would I bring my phone to Hollow Earth?!?!?"
--The farmer that rescues Will and Helen - I recognized him from an episode of SG1. Company of Thieves, I think.
--He talks about trouble with harvests happening more than it used to. Hmmm...is something going on with Hollow Earth?
--Will asks how the boy made the hologram. The father says only the young ones can do it. They lose the ability as they grow older. Interesting! Is everyone below an abnormal of some sort?
--Funny how Helen and Will were both a little afraid to try the food. Looks like it didn't taste too good.
--Adam, Tesla and Druitt working together - scary!
--"Where there's plumbing…" "There's toilets!" "Civilization!"
--I've just noticed there are only 20 minutes left in this episode. I can already tell that I'm going to be pulling my hair out at whatever cliffhanger they leave us with!!!
--Medicinal attributes to the rashi (mushrooms?) they were given to eat? Helen is feeling better. Why did Helen get an energy boost while Will did not?
--Fun to see that Sanctuary logo on the laptop John and Adam are working on.
--"Well done, us."
--I wonder if the shrooms they were eating give a person a high. Helen didn't seem to react too strongly to being captured. That last expression on her face was actually really cute...more like Sam Carter than Helen Magnus, when you get down to it.
--The chick in charge of the underground city (played by Polly Walker) - will we find out that she is basically the underground equivalent of Helen Magnus? That would be interesting. Perhaps in Hollow Earth it's the abnormals that outnumber the humans greatly. But is she human or abnormal?
--"Since when did I become the responsible one in this group?"
--Helen inspecting Kate's field dressing. "Good job. The patient will live."
--Power fluctuations. Helen noted that they noticed other power fluctuations along the way, usually right after earth tremors.
--Ah - the Creepies (scary white-skinned creatures) are back. I like them better in hooded robes than in those white onesies.
--I knew Adam would double-cross them. So, are the Creepies a separate faction down under that Adam allied himself with? Could they actually be creatures he created or enhanced to serve as his own army?
--She electrocuted them?!?! WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?!?! YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE US WITH THAT?!?!?!


More thoughts:
--Perhaps they were never going to be executed. The laws in Hollow Earth dictate that they were supposed to be executed, but someone (the leader? Gregory?) is trying to save them and has lessened the voltage so they wouldn't be killed - just lightly grilled. (Like electroshock therapy.) Notice how just the leader and one other woman was really in the room. The others looked like holograms - not actually in the room, but maybe witnessing what was going on.
--There are strict laws against outsiders because they are trying to protect their way of life. What will outsiders do to their way of life?
--If outsiders are not welcome, how did Gregory get in? Why was Adam brought in? Or was he not brought in? Perhaps he was on the outskirts learning things the whole time and he was hoping Helen would help him actually get into the city.
--I wanna find out more about Adam and his army of Creepies!
--The Head Chick said there were no unlawful transmutations. So there are creatures down there that can transform, but there are rules about when it is allowed. That had a little alarm going off in my head. Doesn't sound like it's a totally free environment for abnormals down there - or at least in the city.
--Anyone see the gang suspended in air by electric chains or whatever and think, "Incredibles!"
--Maybe they are dead...and the avatars that saved Will's life before will step in again. Perhaps because Gregory asks them to do so.

This episode is going to take more viewing!!!

Skydiver
December 18th, 2010, 06:27 AM
Polly Walker is a good actress. I saw her first in Rome...a short lived HBO series about Caesar and rome. It ended after 2 seasons simply because it was way, way too expensive and wasn't winning any awards (with showtime and hbo shows, they tend to look less at ratings and more at awards...Kevin McKidd, currently in Grey's Anatome was one of the main actors)

She's also in Caprica, as Sister Clarice. And seems to thrive on playing avaricious and manipulating women, cold blooded, goal driven and sometimes brutal. That dress of hers last night was just, shudder.

anyway, there seem to be several distinct groups

the city dwellers, led by Polly. seem to be very militaristic. defensive, have issues with abbies. they only allow a few into the city and even then you need a pass, so very cloistered and controlled

the farmers, living on the fringes. the city can't exist without them, yet if the exteriors of the city are infested with monsters like the basilsk, they might need protective devices from the city and its technology, so depend on it even as they are barred from it.

the monks - seem to be in collusion with the city, so not sure if they are an extension of hte city or sympathetic, or maybe a potential source of revolution

the creepies - seem to be led by Adam...but we don't know enough to know if they are loyal, or some sort of abnormal he's tricked into following him

and we still haven't seen the super abnormals....and gregory is most likely amongst their acolytes. Polly knew aboout the will seeing the super abbies...but how can she give refuge to them if abnormals are 'evil'?

I think the earthquakes are an important part of the plot. as are the potential unlimited number of abbies taking refuge down there, especially ones like the basilsk, which would be kinda hard to hide on the surface.

I'm wondering if the city started out as a sanctuary millennia ago. then, when y ou have potential normal humans in with them, divisions started, first for simple protection, but have been warped into some sort of exclusion, seemingly held with violence.

or maybe it was a refuge from the 'dark days' when the vampires ruled. They have suggested that when Tesla's vamps ruled the earth, they weren't kind and gentle overlords. so it may have also been a refuge from that, which has morphed into a discriminatory and militaristic state.....then again, for all we know, they were killed just to make a statement and polly will revive them?

MidwifeOnBoard
December 18th, 2010, 06:55 AM
I hate cliffhangers. I wonder if it's necessarily a good idea to always end a season or half season on a cliffhanger? When I say I wonder, I mean I only wonder. I'm sure a lot of you love cliffhangers or feel they are necessary but I'm really over them.
Who ever this "Polly Pocket" is, I don't think much of her character at all.

Sorry. I know most if you probably just love it but I don't. It's fine, don't get me wrong but it just didn't give me the goosebumps I've come to expect from Sanctuary. Sorry.

I'm cool with cliffhangers, when they actually leave me hanging. When you split up seasons the way syfy does, it's a good way to build anticipation from your audience so they'll stick with the show. This one didn't honestly leave me hanging. Does anyone really think they are dead?

Polly Walker is an awesome British actress. As Sky mentioned, she was in Caprica and Rome, but she's been around a long time. I'm a huge fan. Check out her IMDB for stuff you may have seen her in or may want to see her in.

jasminaGo
December 18th, 2010, 07:02 AM
I'm cool with cliffhangers, when they actually leave me hanging. When you split up seasons the way syfy does, it's a good way to build anticipation from your audience so they'll stick with the show. This one didn't honestly leave me hanging. Does anyone really think they are dead?

Polly Walker is an awesome British actress. As Sky mentioned, she was in Caprica and Rome, but she's been around a long time. I'm a huge fan. Check out her IMDB for stuff you may have seen her in or may want to see her in.

Well no, there are 10 more eps after all, but the hanging feeling for me is along the line of 'can't wait to see how they get out of this one!'

Three things about this ep:
1. LOVED! the scene of Helen jumping under the bridge while Will had to craw down.
2. Surprisingly I found Will and Kate to be alright in this ep. Hope is stays that way.
3. Who thought that leaving Tesla, Druitt and Adam in the Sanctuary would be a good idea? :p

sanctuary girl
December 18th, 2010, 07:17 AM
I hate the end. I know they are not dead but I am really looking forward to know how they get out of this one.



3. Who thought that leaving Tesla, Druitt and Adam in the Sanctuary would be a good idea? :p

That one shouted mistake from the start, but I expected more havoc from the three of them.

BTW: I am already joining you in the location from your profile. It's such a long time to wait for the next episode:(

jckfan55
December 18th, 2010, 07:32 AM
Good episode, but again sort of setting us up for the next one. imho, this can be the problem with big arc storylines. Still, it kept me hooked.

I could predict that Adam was setting Druitt up for something, just not what.

As for the executions, my guess is that the woman is a secret ally of Gregory and somehow the executions were for show for the holo-audience.
Even Martin (Bloodthirsty) Wood wouldn't kill the whole lead cast--esp. the leading lady & exec producer. :D

My concern about the whole hollow earth storyline is that while it makes a great adventure, if after this situation is resolved we have the Sanctuary people shuttling back & forth it would get too cheesy. IMHO they're going to have to write something so that they can never go back.

when does Sanctuary come back from its midseason break?

MelissaAdams
December 18th, 2010, 07:42 AM
Well I have to say despite 'knowing' that we were going nto get a cliffhanger, it was a mid season finale after all, that the cliffhanger they came up with was interesting and made me both HATE and LOVE this episode. ;)

Of course we know our 'heroes' aren't really going to die, well die and stay dead after all, because they have at least ten more adventures to put out there for us. LOL Still the excitement comes in how in heck are they gonna get out of this one? Maybe Kali steps in, she knows Will's a good guy and he knows she's got something to do with the city since Polly Walker's character said they appeared in their avatar chamber which means he was there before...if I'm following the logic right. :confused:

Overall a great episode, I loved how they divided up the team and normally on re watches I'm not keen to re-watch episodes in total...I just hit my favorite parts but this one I've already watched twice from beginning to end.

Tesla was just so classic and yet different at the same time in this episode, it was really great honestly!!!!! His SON OF A B**** was just priceless :cameron:

And as much as folks may hate to admit it no one really likes strangers dropping into your living room unannounced...the Sanctuary team was kind of presumptious really!!! I mean Helen don't like strangers just dropping by her Sanctuary, though I think she'll draw the line before summary execution. LOL

Overall a TERRIFIC episode but I'm not sure I'm crazy about this mid season finale thing...give me the episodes in order all at once folks, I can't take this stress. :mckay: Now I'm gonna be pulling my hair out till we find out what happened.

BloomGate
December 18th, 2010, 07:53 AM
My favorite exchange:

"Are you saying we got rebooted?"

"Uh huh - I am DEFINITELY having a Vista moment"

I love it when geeky characters rip on Microsoft's Vista. It just adds to the realism. :D

MelissaAdams
December 18th, 2010, 07:59 AM
A little update tidbit here...according to Sanctuary's main site on SyFy www.syfy.com/sanctuary they are saying on the little picture thing that new episodes will return in April 2011

atlantis_babe34
December 18th, 2010, 08:07 AM
What a massive homage to The Incredibles :lol: oh Damien :D

Rocky89
December 18th, 2010, 08:27 AM
A little update tidbit here...according to Sanctuary's main site on SyFy www.syfy.com/sanctuary they are saying on the little picture thing that new episodes will return in April 2011

April? That's a bit longer than I expected. :(


What a massive homage to The Incredibles :lol: oh Damien :D

I didn't get The Incredibles reference, what happened? :p Btw, did anyone else notice the Sanctuary logo on the laptop when Adam was talking to John and Tesla in the "hollow room"? :p

jelgate
December 18th, 2010, 08:34 AM
Good episode, but again sort of setting us up for the next one. imho, this can be the problem with big arc storylines. Still, it kept me hooked.

I could predict that Adam was setting Druitt up for something, just not what.

As for the executions, my guess is that the woman is a secret ally of Gregory and somehow the executions were for show for the holo-audience.
Even Martin (Bloodthirsty) Wood wouldn't kill the whole lead cast--esp. the leading lady & exec producer. :D

My concern about the whole hollow earth storyline is that while it makes a great adventure, if after this situation is resolved we have the Sanctuary people shuttling back & forth it would get too cheesy. IMHO they're going to have to write something so that they can never go back.

when does Sanctuary come back from its midseason break?
Probably April

hedwig
December 18th, 2010, 09:06 AM
Polly Walker is a good actress. I saw her first in Rome...a short lived HBO series about Caesar and rome. It ended after 2 seasons simply because it was way, way too expensive and wasn't winning any awards (with showtime and hbo shows, they tend to look less at ratings and more at awards...Kevin McKidd, currently in Grey's Anatome was one of the main actors)

She's also in Caprica, as Sister Clarice. And seems to thrive on playing avaricious and manipulating women, cold blooded, goal driven and sometimes brutal. That dress of hers last night was just, shudder.

She was also in "Patriot Games" in the early 90's, one of Harrison Ford's movies. She was the lead Irish Revolutionary woman with the group of bad guys in the movie. It was either her first or one of her first movies. I saw that one in the theatres and that's what I remember her from.

Galileo_Galilee
December 18th, 2010, 09:26 AM
Here's the salient point to all of this that is confusing me?

Isn't Helen's father dead? Didn't he die in one episode?

If he is dead, then I'm beginning to think this whole thing is just a set up by Hyde to get his so-called revenge on Helen.

Including going so far as to make a fake broadcast of her father to Will.

But the hole to that little hypothesis is that Hyde would've had to have know of Will's existence in order to do that.

Which also indicates he's been keeping an eye on things.

But this all depends on if her dad is dead.

SnowWhite
December 18th, 2010, 10:07 AM
It was never said, that he actually IS dead.. it is possible though.. they don't know either.
I haven't ha the chanche to read all this in this thread yet, but I just discussed the end with two friends and i wanted to post my idea about it, what I wrote on msn..

so, first, all we've seen of the city so far was rather not-so-good..
AND there is supposed to be an connection to Gregory (why doesn't she call him dad??) and gregory is with the white guys around kali and the others.. all white guys we saw today were Hyde's creatures.
last time we went there where they would have to go was, when Will was dead.. because of the defibrilator (or sth like that)
ergo:
maybe will can make kontact with kali-.- he's still her fav herold, since she has no other anymore
and then they would get to where they wanted.. and their bodys where shocked to death.. that's the same theis did with Will - and Shepperd for the matter. but that means the body is not damaged is a way it would if they got to close to the basilisk etc. -> it can get life back.. like cater in entity
maybe the "bad guys" don't know of the makri stuff, or how strong the bond is/was so dying is just the richt way to get where they want.
i'm more concerned about john..
and concerning my theory in the beginning.. they wouln't make it easy.. so te simplest thing was to NOT help them in the city.. later when the other people mentioned they need an invitation i was quite sure it could end worse tha
than "no help".. and the contact with kali was always near death.. so that was likely to occur, too.. just not in such unfair way
wow.. quite a novel..
oh.. aaaaand.. "this ain't Kansas" sooooo O'Neill

Skydiver
December 18th, 2010, 11:26 AM
Gregory showed up in warriors, and revealed that he'd 'died' on a trip to the himilayas, the cabal found him, brought him back to life and used his knowledge to make the Warrior abnormals. after that, he left. no one knew where he was and henry has said 'haven't seen him in a year'

the theory apparently is that he fell in with these super abbies somehow, and, when adam was kicked out, knew that adam would manipulate helen to get back in (or had a case of jaffa revenge for her), gregory used will to get a message to her, suggesting to helen that he's still alive somehow

lopo30
December 18th, 2010, 12:21 PM
Have to agree, they didn't answer anything, and there wasn't enough character interaction. The acting and the character's are this show's strength, not the special effects. In tonight's episode they seemed to be sacrificing character interaction for things like CGI holographic dragons. Most of us are watching this show for the characters, and not to see what they can accomplish on a green screen.

well u cant make show only for one type of audiance! it's good to see more of action based episodes to makes the show good to watch
sucks that now is 3 episode gliffhangers as last week episode ended to "to be continued"
as this in on SYFY shannel we have like 4 months to wait for sure what is a bit to long
would be nice if it would start like eureka supernatural and smallville in jan. 27 like they were all on the same day

Jacquelyn
December 18th, 2010, 12:31 PM
--Helen moves with such grace!!! That drop down to go under the bridge was awesome! Helen gets a 10! Will - ah...3.2.

--Love how Helen isn't phased at all by the smell of a huge pile of excrement! A true scientist.

--Funny how Helen and Will were both a little afraid to try the food. Looks like it didn't taste too good.

--She electrocuted them?!?! WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?!?! YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE US WITH THAT?!?!?!


More thoughts:
--Perhaps they were never going to be executed. The laws in Hollow Earth dictate that they were supposed to be executed, but someone (the leader? Gregory?) is trying to save them and has lessened the voltage so they wouldn't be killed - just lightly grilled. (Like electroshock therapy.) Notice how just the leader and one other woman was really in the room. The others looked like holograms - not actually in the room, but maybe witnessing what was going on.

Okay.. *responding to all this*

First off: Amen to that! :D Helen does a great job at that..along with the over-the-rail-jump she did with Kate in "Sleepers".

Secondly: Yes! Scientists are usually used to messing with weird gross things. Helen was fascinated by it. Which makes it quite interesting to me :)

Thirdly: LOL yea that was funny. It actually reminded me about SG-1. When Sam didn't like Thor's so called 'food'.

Fourthly: OMG I didn't see that one coming. I CAN'T BELIEVE they did that to us!

AND Lastly:
Yea hopefully something like that happened. I also noticed that too. I was like reallyy wondering why those other people looked like holograms or what not. Because they were really still..and odd.


A little update tidbit here...according to Sanctuary's main site on SyFy www.syfy.com/sanctuary they are saying on the little picture thing that new episodes will return in April 2011

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! That is like WAYYYYY too long. :( :( :(

jckfan55
December 18th, 2010, 02:02 PM
It may be just me, but I thought they made Helen look a bit pale (being as she's dying and all) in this ep. Or it was just the cave lighting & I'm just expecting her to look ill. ;) It wasn't really obvious...

I liked Will "it's not a race" as Magnus is outpacing him. :)

MidwifeOnBoard
December 18th, 2010, 02:25 PM
1. Secondly: Yes! Scientists are usually used to messing with weird gross things. Helen was fascinated by it. Which makes it quite interesting to me :)

2. Thirdly: LOL yea that was funny. It actually reminded me about SG-1. When Sam didn't like Thor's so called 'food'.


1. Ostensibly, Will is a scientist too, but he acted like a 15 year-old boy the entire episode. I found it rather grating. OTOH, I ADORED Kate and Henry this week. :)

2. I'd be wiling to bet money that the fungus is the cure for Helen's radiation poisoning.

CKO
December 18th, 2010, 02:42 PM
APRIL.. of 2011... BLOODY HELL! *pouts*

well @ least i'll be able to watch SPN on fri nites til then *smirks* and catch up on the eps that i've missed due to it being on @ the same time... (i dont have a DVR ect)

oh and i still think that Tesla still had one of the best lines yet.. Son of a B*tch... , rates right up there with the bloody hell's as well *snickers*

Briangate78
December 18th, 2010, 03:40 PM
What an episode, the cliffhanger was really good. The city and the exploration felt like Indiana Jones meets Journey to the center of the Earth. I cannot wait for the 2nd half of this season!

Julian
December 18th, 2010, 03:56 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that they're going to be brought back to life in the next episode (well, duh). But the question is, by who?

I reckon it will be the same people who executed them. They could bring Adam back to life, and it's quite a catch to the punishment: "To be executed ... but you'll be brought back to life".

Great episode anyway. But the city seems way too hightec. And I also wonder how long this city will be the focus of the series; it's strange for Sanctuary to have such a long arch! But nice. I just wonder if it's going to change the show for the next 10 episodes and the (possible) fourth season.

charles582
December 18th, 2010, 04:05 PM
I think it may have all have been an illusion. I think that them dying was a hologram and I think druitt's capture was a hologram as well

hedwig
December 18th, 2010, 04:06 PM
I began noticing this sometime back with Declan in a few episodes, and have recently started noticing it with the other guys as well.

Either the make-up people have been getting very heavy handed with the red lip gloss ... or the guys have been getting into Helen's make-up cabinet when she's not around to catch them.:D

It seemed that Declan had very red lips in several episodes back, and in the last couple of episodes I've been noticing that Druitt, Tesla, and (last night) even Adam had overly red lips. And then I noticed that Will's also were redder than is normal. Henry seems to be the only one with normal colored lips (or, at least, I haven't noticed them being redder than normal).

Yes, this is a very strange observation, and I thought I might just be imagining it, but as I'm watching the episode again, it's there. :D

***

And not to keep harping about the music, but I was finding it sort of annoying during this episode. There was just too much of it, and even though I'm assuming it was meant to heighten the idea of danger and tension, I just found it took away from the episode. There could have been a lot less of it, and still had the danger and tension evident.

Unless, of course, they're going for the musical suggestion of danger/excitement/etc. usually found in suspense movies or adventure movies (like Indiana Jones or The Mummy, or others like those).

***

And, more ...

The military guy who came to report to Polly the detection of intruders said: "Three surface dwellers were detected ... and one that was cloaked." I'm wondering what he meant by this. The three surface dwellers being Will, Henry and Kate, and the one that was cloaked was maybe Helen? But why would Helen be "cloaked". Or was it Tesla's gadget protecting Helen that was detected and therefore she was "cloaked"? :confused:

And I finally figured out where I've seen that guy before. He was one of the survivors from the Alpha Site in "Death Knell".

(*:) It's sort of fun trying to figure out where I've seen many of these actors before - whether from SG1, SGA or somewhere else.*)

atlantis_babe34
December 18th, 2010, 04:46 PM
April? That's a bit longer than I expected. :(



I didn't get The Incredibles reference, what happened? :p Btw, did anyone else notice the Sanctuary logo on the laptop when Adam was talking to John and Tesla in the "hollow room"? :p

have you seen the movie The Incredibles.. The whole underground city, the mode of transport the way they "died" was a non cartoon version of the incredibles lol

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/incredibles/captured.jpg

only photo i could find as i'm late for work ;).. but you can see the similarities.. if you watch the movie you'll pick it up like that *clicks fingers*


as for my 2 cents.. and you guys are gonna hate me for it :P

i didn't really enjoy this episode that much.. i loved the basalisk scene "what about with one eye?!" but i found myself rather bored, proberly because its builing into the next part of the season. the episode was good, but i didn't think it was a fanstaic cliffhanger as we all know theres 10 episodes left and soemone has to live lol.

*dodges rotten tomatos and runs*

majorsal
December 18th, 2010, 05:16 PM
woah, quite the way to end the mid season! :S :mad:

i know they'll be alright, but still, electrocute them! :samanime15: --> get 'em, sam!


on the con side, i felt this ep could have been shortened with less build up. maybe edit down the amount of henry and kate walking around in circles. :p

that's all the con. :p


random:

while will's cowering from the dragon, i loved his 'good kitty'. :p

and kate's 'were we hit by a hangover weapon?', or whatever exactly she said. :p

great special effects! this season has definitely upped their end results. ;)

i'm wondering if ALL the ppl that inhabit the underground world are abnormals?

polly's character knew who helen was, so i'm wondering if she's really not the blood hungry biotch she appears to be and just might be working with dad magnus?

i didn't like the execution scene that much. not so much for it's violence, but... i found it a bit cheesy :o :p

i wonder if the electrocution would have cured helen?

why the earth quakes?

where's dad magnus?

will's cute when he's scared. :p

henry and kate make a cute couple.

tesla has a VERY good reason for being mad at john! i'd kick him the next time i saw him. :p

i really didn't see adam's betrayal coming. i'm naive'. :p

adam is kind of sexy. :S

helen being fascinated by everything was geekycute. :p

that thing she did, of hanging on to the underside of the bridge... uh, i don't think so. :S :p

interesting that helen started feeling better, just being in the underground world...

i hope helen brings back a cure for tesla, so he can return to being a vampire. and i hope she gives it to him in front of john mostly, so tesla can gloat and then become a vamp again. :p (((tesla)))

i like she wanted to go with her new team (will, kate, henry), over her old team, just b/c she's mentoring them.

when helen and will reunite with kate and henry, i like that helen asks kate about any ways out. she trusts and, i believe, respects kate's skills, even if they were honed by being involved in bad stuff.

i'm not sure i agree with helen and will going on without henry and kate... they really weren't sure the two weren't lying there in serious condition.

those things that ganged up on john were creepy! :S but they seemed to know adam.


k, that's all for now. i'll go read others views.

oh, one more thing, HURRY UP AND PLAY THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEASON. :p

majorsal
December 18th, 2010, 05:27 PM
Sadly, I just didn't get the satisfaction out of this episode I was hoping for.:( Oh well, here's hoping the next half of the season makes up for it.
Sorry. I know most if you probably just love it but I don't. It's fine, don't get me wrong but it just didn't give me the goosebumps I've come to expect from Sanctuary. Sorry.

i didn't 'love' this episode either, and i think it's b/c it just spent too much time building things up.

oh, and killing our heroes, and making us wait *months* to see them come out of this! :mckay: :p

Skydiver
December 18th, 2010, 05:35 PM
i think the gateway they passed through was a life type scanner...were they human or abnormal or vampires? it knew htat henry was an abby and knew to lock his dna. so it knew what was walking in the door, just not who

hedwig
December 18th, 2010, 05:45 PM
interesting that helen started feeling better, just being in the underground world...

She started feeling better after she ate the mushrooms the farmers gave her and Will. Some mushrooms have great healing properties, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the mushroom that made her feel better.

majorsal
December 18th, 2010, 05:51 PM
2. I'd be wiling to bet money that the fungus is the cure for Helen's radiation poisoning.

maybe it is, b/c i thought the farmers wife looked kind of plague-likey (or cured from the plague).

majorsal
December 18th, 2010, 05:58 PM
meredithchandler73 said: --Helen speculates that this may be the source of all abnormal life. An interesting thought.

what would make helen come to that conclusion, i'm wondering?


skydiver said: the creepies - seem to be led by Adam...but we don't know enough to know if they are loyal, or some sort of abnormal he's tricked into following him.

i wonder if adam 'created' them, like when he did some questionable stuff in his oxford days (manipulating some animals dna and they ended up with two heads or something)?

MidwifeOnBoard
December 18th, 2010, 06:01 PM
have you seen the movie The Incredibles.. The whole underground city, the mode of transport the way they "died" was a non cartoon version of the incredibles lol

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/incredibles/captured.jpg

only photo i could find as i'm late for work ;).. but you can see the similarities.. if you watch the movie you'll pick it up like that *clicks fingers*



That's hilarious. I saw The Incredibles. Once. I don't remember much about it other than it was cute.


maybe it is, b/c i thought the farmers wife looked kind of plague-likey (or cured from the plague).

:D

Skydiver
December 18th, 2010, 06:11 PM
she did look, well deformed is too strong of a word, but marked on her face.

Spimman
December 18th, 2010, 07:27 PM
Still soaking in this great episode, I wish we'd learned a little more of the reasoning behind the death sentance and motives of the city dwellers.

jelgate
December 18th, 2010, 09:10 PM
I know I have been harsh on Sanctuary this season. But that is only because I have seen potential this season. Potential that was non-existent in S2. The point is I'm trying to make that potential was utilized to the fullest point in this episode. It was action packed and exciting. Sure it was cliche that the city's leader would want to kill Helen and company but still it was exciting to watch the intrigue of them exploring the city, Although if they hate surface dwellers why leave clue to unlock the city?

Even better was the Druitt to the rescue. Sure it was obvious Adam was going to betray them but I'm still curious why and what will develop in April

Rocky89
December 18th, 2010, 09:11 PM
2. I'd be wiling to bet money that the fungus is the cure for Helen's radiation poisoning.

Hey, as long as she's cured, that's the good thing. :) :p


have you seen the movie The Incredibles.. The whole underground city, the mode of transport the way they "died" was a non cartoon version of the incredibles lol

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/incredibles/captured.jpg

only photo i could find as i'm late for work ;).. but you can see the similarities.. if you watch the movie you'll pick it up like that *clicks fingers*

Oh, now I get it. :) Thanks. ;) Oh, one more thing. :) :tomato: :p

Rocky89
December 18th, 2010, 09:45 PM
woah, quite the way to end the mid season!

i know they'll be alright, but still, electrocute them! :samanime15: --> get 'em, sam!

Yeah, Sam, maybe Sam and Helen can join forces and maybe Sam will join the Sanctuary?

:p


on the con side, i felt this ep could have been shortened with less build up. maybe edit down the amount of henry and kate walking around in circles.

I thought there was too much Helen, we should have seen more Will, Henry, Kate and the others. :) *Runs from Sally*

:p


random:

while will's cowering from the dragon, i loved his 'good kitty'.

He seemed like a scared little boy. Hehe


great special effects! this season has definitely upped their end results. ;)

Indeed, they were like movie effects. :)


polly's character knew who helen was, so i'm wondering if she's really not the blood hungry biotch she appears to be and just might be working with dad magnus?

I'd love to see Helen fight her. and WIN! ;)


i didn't like the execution scene that much. not so much for it's violence, but... i found it a bit cheesy

It wasn't the most violent thing I've seen, but... if it was Helen alone, I would have been scared, but because it was all of them, it was easier to watch. Yeah, you know I'm not a whumper fan. :p


will's cute when he's scared.

HAHAHAHA!


henry and kate make a cute couple.

They do, eh? :)


tesla has a VERY good reason for being mad at john! i'd kick him the next time i saw him. :p

He's too fast to let you kick him. Besides, he'd kill you, yo. :p


i really didn't see adam's betrayal coming. i'm naive'.

:eek: No!

:p


adam is kind of sexy. :S

Um... no. :p


helen being fascinated by everything was geekycute.

She went right in there, and Will was hiding behind her. :p


that thing she did, of hanging on to the underside of the bridge... uh, i don't think so.

I thought that was wicked. :D


i hope helen brings back a cure for tesla, so he can return to being a vampire. and i hope she gives it to him in front of john mostly, so tesla can gloat and then become a vamp again. (((tesla)))

That's both sweet and cheeky. :p


i like she wanted to go with her new team (will, kate, henry), over her old team, just b/c she's mentoring them.

Well, they are the main team of the show, so... :p


when helen and will reunite with kate and henry, i like that helen asks kate about any ways out. she trusts and, i believe, respects kate's skills, even if they were honed by being involved in bad stuff.

I didn't think about that. We saw that Helen trusted her enough in Bank Job to run the show, so to me that, and this episode shows a good level of trust. :)

Rocky89
December 18th, 2010, 10:06 PM
One thing I keep forgetting to comment on is Will's "Bloody hell" lines, and then he tells Helen it's her turn to say it. :p

Chelle DB
December 19th, 2010, 12:24 AM
I'm just wondering if their death isn't actually death as we know it...that they will wake up in a cell all very much alive and well.
I like the idea that the mushrooms could be the cure but I suspect there will be more to it. I still don't like Polly's character but let me please clarify that that in no way reflects on the person herself. I'm sure she's a lovely lady but I just don't like the character.
I totally got the "Incredibles" reference too...loved it and thought how appropriate! :D

tomstone
December 19th, 2010, 01:05 AM
This was a very cool Episode indeed. Just what I hoped for. I am confident that everything is going to go out well and cant wait for the next Episode. Also Teslas SoaB was awesome!

I just wanted to put a Question out there. What the heck is going on with the Energy supply? Every time they used Energy on their way to the City there was a Earthquake. Now, I am sure that means the City is in Trouble, but it IS near the Planets core and surely gets its energy from that. So, doesnt this mean that all of Earth is in Big Trouble, not just Hollow Earth?

Jeffer
December 19th, 2010, 03:20 AM
First of all awesome ep Tesla was awesome as always. Now onto my theories.

#1 hollow earth is falling apart because of what the avatars did to stop the tidal wave which is why they have just "NOW" put in strict rules about outsiders.

#2 The hollow earth race evolved along side the vampires and fought with them they saw no end to the war so they moved under ground and build there city. The vamps could be at a similar level of tech had they not been killed out by people.

#3 Did the leader of the city look blind to anyone else she seemed to never look right at them and in the chamber where they are killed it doesn't look like she has pupils it just looks black.

Commander Zelix
December 19th, 2010, 07:01 AM
Very good episode. I like the idea of a hidden advanced city and society very much.

I just hope the idea is not having it crumbling down under rocks.

sparklegem
December 19th, 2010, 09:44 AM
That was not exactly the most interesting ending, where all our protagonists are killed in a place that, it's already been established, brought Adam back to life.

In general, none of the ideas in the plot were bad, per se, but I didn't feel the Hollow Earth scenes were executed very well and they never allowed me to become emotionally invested in what was going on. I honestly didn't really care that everybody was electrocuted.

I loved the scenes with the boys back in the sanctuary, however, they were all top notch. Tesla was amazing with fantastic lines as always! "Son of a *****" was hilarious. And I was particularly impressed with Christopher Heyerdahl's acting. He really sold everything. And I've got to give some love to Ian Tracey as well. I love how the distinction between Adam and Hyde is subtle enough to be very realistic, and yet you can still tell them apart.

Basically, this episode was a perfect and typical illustration of Sanctuary's strengths and weaknesses. The character work is great, and the plots, more often than not, are meh or very standard B-scifi.

EH-T
December 19th, 2010, 12:39 PM
I'm not putting this under spoiler tags because there are no spoilers for those who have seen the ep but I will provide fair warning that my comments will include some stuff from our set tour so those who don't want to read about it can skip this post.




Holy cliffhangers Batman! Glad to finally be able to talk about the execution cliffhanger. One scene we saw filmed was the one where the 4 walk through the doors to meet PW's character. Saw it several times as they first filmed PW's coverage and then switched the cameras around to get coverage of Magnus et al. The room you see behind Magnus as they come through the door is a set but once they are through the doors (which were real) the rest is all green screen. Amazing to see what Anthem created. Very cool reflection from the polished floors.

This ep reminded me in some ways of Revelations at the end of season 1. Off on an adventure underground. Rather convenient that Henry and Kate get swept away in the tremor but I suppose it makes it more manageable to split them up. Liked Helen's idea to get away from the "cattle Prod".

Thought Anthem also did a wonderful job on the creature.

So glad that Adam and John end up joining the adventure, I was worried for a bit that the rest of the ep Adam would be in bed. He is such a great bad guy, I'm glad we get to see him free again. Can I also say what a great trio CH, JT and IT make? Fabulous bad boys club seeing them all together! Hope we get more of that sometime, somewhere.

Have to cut it short...more later.

majorsal
December 19th, 2010, 03:24 PM
I'm just wondering if their death isn't actually death as we know it...that they will wake up in a cell all very much alive and well.


i was thinking last night... what if their deaths are a way of being able to see helen's dad? you know, like what happened with will meeting the counsel, being able to *only* with his death?

Ian-S
December 19th, 2010, 05:09 PM
Great ep as always.

Those creatures that attacked John (presumably controlled by Adam), were they the same creatures that turned up in the earlier episode (episode 2?) with the probe (that Adam later rejigged to read his mind) or was it was the use of the same sound effect with them that's confused/made the link for me?

Bloody hell :lol:
Your turn: bigger :lol:
Son of a *****! - had me in stitches :lol:

I wonder if Nikola and Big Guy will join the party?

Skydiver
December 19th, 2010, 05:11 PM
yep, the 'creepies' as fans have dubbed them, were sent by adam, and were what attacked druitt

the fifth man
December 19th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Another very strong episode this season. I can't wait to see where things go now, especially after that ending. Hopefully, Tesla will come to the rescue.

majorsal
December 19th, 2010, 06:03 PM
if, what helen is putting together is true, and that abnormals originated from hollow earth... that would mean helen's idea that ppl might 'evolve' into something more/abnormal... that would be wrong.

not sure which idea i like more :p

hedwig
December 19th, 2010, 06:30 PM
A thought flittered through my "mind" this afternoon, and I keep wondering why Druitt didn't just "zort" out of that cave where he's being attacked by Adam's little buddies (he might have dragged a few of them along with him, but he could have gotten rid of them). Is there some sort of dampening thing in Hollow Earth that prevents him from doing so? He didn't go through the life signs detector that shut off Henry's ability to change. Do Adam's little buddies have some sort of ability that cancels out Druitt's zorting abilities? Or is Druitt maybe simply going along with what's happening in order to find out more about Adam's plans?

And assuming any of this is in any way accurate, he could zort out later, grab Tesla and they go back to rescue everybody. :)

Skydiver
December 19th, 2010, 06:41 PM
i think...doesn't the lode stone mess that up?

RealmOfX
December 19th, 2010, 06:51 PM
i think...doesn't the lode stone mess that up?

Yup, the magnetic field will zing his molecules all over the place apparently.

Skydiver
December 19th, 2010, 06:55 PM
so if helen would just retrofit the sanctuary with lodestone, she wouldn't need the EM shield ;)

RealmOfX
December 19th, 2010, 07:01 PM
so if helen would just retrofit the sanctuary with lodestone, she wouldn't need the EM shield ;)

She could do but then Henry wouldn't be a happy chappy because it would interfere with his tech. EM shield is more controllable. Gotta keep the geek happy :D

hedwig
December 19th, 2010, 07:11 PM
i think...doesn't the lode stone mess that up?

I guess it would help if I paid closer attention, wouldn't it?:p:D

Skydiver
December 19th, 2010, 07:16 PM
She could do but then Henry wouldn't be a happy chappy because it would interfere with his tech. EM shield is more controllable. Gotta keep the geek happy :D

not to mention that you can't turn it off with the flip of a switch

that said...if they ever need to imprison john, a lode stone cell would certainly be a good backup to a potential power outage

charles582
December 19th, 2010, 08:13 PM
you know what might be interesting? What if it turned out that helen and that woman who has appeared killed of the team at the end of the episode were related? I mean gregory has most assuredly been to the city before seing as how he provided the hologram of the city and all.

Mack_1
December 19th, 2010, 08:51 PM
Totally awesome episode!!

I have to agree with almost all what has been say.

love Kate and Henry together.

Tesla was fantastic and John was so sweet trying to take care of Helen and then how his killer instincts came to the surface by Adam's words.

Helen was as always... AWESOME!

totally hate the end and more the time we have to wait for the new episodes.

Just my thoughts but; the family of farmers look like they where hiding something, every time they were asked something they would look at each other before answering; do any of you had the impression they could communicate thought their minds?

Totally SG-1 moment when Helen tasted the mushrooms food and make the face she did.

LOVE IT!!!

hisg1fans
December 20th, 2010, 04:13 AM
I kept getting flashbacks to SG1, Beneath the Surface, in various places of this episode. :)

And while Tesla may be angry at being left behind, it's a good thing actually given Adam's betrayal - like anybody thought that wouldn't happen. I couldn't help but tsk, tsk over John actually going along with Adam's plan.

<snip>

Me too. Especially when showing the head lady for the first time standing in front of the big windows looking out at the city.

Also had a flashback to Sam opening the Dakara tomb in the Season 8 finale. Turning the circles on the sliding door with symbols. Makes me want to watch all of SG-1 again :)

Edit: Several otherse mentioned flashbacks to other SG-1 epidosdes. Quite the crossover show. Loved them all.

Skydiver
December 20th, 2010, 04:24 AM
the mushroom scene reminded me of 'i like the yellow ones'

cept she spit it out in front of thor

hisg1fans
December 20th, 2010, 04:50 AM
if, what helen is putting together is true, and that abnormals originated from hollow earth... that would mean helen's idea that ppl might 'evolve' into something more/abnormal... that would be wrong.

not sure which idea i like more :p

So does that mean people evolved from abnormals???

hisg1fans
December 20th, 2010, 04:54 AM
you know what might be interesting? What if it turned out that helen and that woman who has appeared killed of the team at the end of the episode were related? I mean gregory has most assuredly been to the city before seing as how he provided the hologram of the city and all.

Maybe she is Helen's mother. We've never seen or heard much about her. Maybe Gregory found a way into Hollow Earth, discovered the source of the abnormals, mated, escaped to the surface with Helen, and started the Sanctuary for those abnormals who couldn't go back. Just speculation.

Please don't let this be the case. A little too much "As the Hollow Earth Turns" for my taste.

hisg1fans
December 20th, 2010, 05:03 AM
Gosh the show went fast!

Tesla is just so awesome. SofB! Never heard it said quite like that :D

I'm really starting to hate Kate again. Enough with the "Hank" stuff. I was warming to "neutral" with her, but she just grates on my nerves again.

So is John feeling better if Helen is feeling better? Before he was attacked anyway.

The head chick seemed awful stiff.

Will is a weeny.

Never heard of a basilisk before?

I kind of liked the electrocution scene. They actually looked like they were hanging. Maybe it is like a zat gun. One shot - unconscious. Two shots - dead. Three shots - get sent back to the surface.

All of the Hollow Earth factions seemed to be hiding something.

As for the makeup, I noticed more weird colorings last season than this one. I really haven't noticed anything (except for John in this show) this year.

The music was a little too loud a couple of times in this show, it took me out of the scene and I couldn't hear the actors. Thought it rather odd since the soundtrack is usually pretty well adjusted to the action.

Liked it overall. Can I just add that Tesla is just totatlly awesome. Helen too. :)

sparklegem
December 20th, 2010, 05:50 AM
I'Can I also say what a great trio CH, JT and IT make? Fabulous bad boys club seeing them all together! Hope we get more of that sometime, somewhere.

100% agree!

EH-T
December 20th, 2010, 06:39 AM
The main guard was extremely cute and a very nice guy. His dressing room was next to mine so we had the chance to chat a bit. They told us a bit about the guards outfits. Obviously the black t-shirts were an easy costume buy. The pants they found in a store so they are off the rack. The armour the costume department retooled. I believe the original version was skateboarding protection.

Good reuse of the cave set. I have mentioned this before, the ground is not dirt but rubber pellets. Must have been nice for the stunt guys to have something soft to fall on! Good fight sequence with John and Adam's evil minions.

When they were filming the scene we saw, it was very hot in the studio. It was the beginning of August. They had a large tube to pump cold air in between takes, had a number of fans going and the cast had mini fans but everything had to be turned off for filming due to the noise so it never cooled things off much. Felt sorry for the cast, especially AT who was in leather boots, a mock turtleneck and leather jacket. Funny to watch the cast slipping in and out of their handcuffs between takes. They also had lots of fun whenever someone flubbed a line or didn't give the right look when MW was trying to get coverage.

John again seemed mostly under control this ep but it was nice to see him lose it with Adam. Tesla knew exactly how to get him under control by mentioning Helen.

I'm with everyone else who is sorry we have to wait until April to see the conclusion. I'm expecting a fabulous next episode!

suse
December 20th, 2010, 08:04 AM
:lol: I'm rewatching now and am hearing so many lines I missed the first time. Great delivery and writing!

When Adam says he knew he would work well with the five and Tesla says better late than never, did you catch the looks Tesla and Druitt passed each other! SUCH attention to detail!

Skydiver
December 20th, 2010, 10:19 AM
they really were hanging, i've seen a behind the scenes thing or something and they're hung up on cables that have been 'erased'

so they were practically hanging, possibly had little things to hang onto with their hands, then the electricity was effected in

I've also noticed the color being a bit off, but i've always attributed it to the fact that i'll rewatch it off on demand, and i think the video compression messes with it. the audio also seemed to be up and down, at least to me. kinda hard to hear at times

llp
December 20th, 2010, 12:10 PM
It may be just me, but I thought they made Helen look a bit pale (being as she's dying and all) in this ep. Or it was just the cave lighting & I'm just expecting her to look ill. ;) It wasn't really obvious...

I liked Will "it's not a race" as Magnus is outpacing him. :)

Those mushrooms helped to make her feel better? Not quite sure but maybe!!!

llp
December 20th, 2010, 12:43 PM
:lol: I'm rewatching now and am hearing so many lines I missed the first time. Great delivery and writing!

When Adam says he knew he would work well with the five and Tesla says better late than never, did you catch the looks Tesla and Druitt passed each other! SUCH attention to detail!

I've watched it 3 times now just to pick up on the lines I heard but didn't listen to, I guess. Love each viewing. I have taped all ten episodes and intend to keep them (along with 311 thru 320) until the DVD is released.

Skydiver
December 20th, 2010, 01:27 PM
same here, i put them on my dvr then on disc and mp3 player and i'll delete them when i buy the dvd's and can get good rips done

hedwig
December 20th, 2010, 01:34 PM
same here, i put them on my dvr then on disc and mp3 player and i'll delete them when i buy the dvd's and can get good rips done

Mostly me too. I save them to my DVR until the official set comes out, and will buy that set later. I got back two episodes that I accidentally erased - Hero II and Firewall. There was a Sanctuary marathon last Friday, and those two weren't already saved on my DVR, so they got saved during the marathon. Yay! Now I can have my own marathon whenever I want. although it will be nicer when I get the official DVDs, since they have no commercials to interrupt anything. :)

ann_sgcfan
December 20th, 2010, 02:02 PM
you know what might be interesting? What if it turned out that helen and that woman who has appeared killed of the team at the end of the episode were related? I mean gregory has most assuredly been to the city before seing as how he provided the hologram of the city and all.

Yes I had a similar thought and discussed it with someone at length on IM. I thought it was interesting they selected a British actress to play the leader of the city. Also I thought it might have something to do with why Gregory gave Helen those birthday gifts/ clues to the hologram city over 120+ years ago.

I believe Gregory disappeared before John was identified as JTR ... because remember the test Gregory had set up for the Five at the end of Season 1. Watson commented that Gregory knew them (Watson and John) as friends and that's why their test was shared. So the hologram gifts/ clues Gregory had given Helen would have been some of the last gifts he ever gave her. I just wonder why a hologram city was so important that he give them to his 20 something year old daughter. Is there someone there she was supposed to meet? Did it have to do with the fact that she now knew about the Sanctuary or was it more a personal nature ... something else there for her in the city?

MidwifeOnBoard
December 20th, 2010, 02:45 PM
Yes I had a similar thought and discussed it with someone at length on IM. I thought it was interesting they selected a British actress to play the leader of the city. Also I thought it might have something to do with why Gregory gave Helen those birthday gifts/ clues to the hologram city over 120+ years ago.
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I'm guessing they asked her to the show because she's freakin Polly Walker. She's A-MAZING. I'd guess that has much more to do with it than her nationality. ;)

Skydiver
December 20th, 2010, 04:27 PM
yeah, i think that too. she's an actress they really wanted and her nationality was just a coincidence

hisg1fans
December 20th, 2010, 04:45 PM
I'm guessing they asked her to the show because she's freakin Polly Walker. She's A-MAZING. I'd guess that has much more to do with it than her nationality. ;)

I guess I've never heard of Polly Walker. I vaguely remember seeing her face sometime in the past, but when several people got so excited she was on the show, I had no clue who she was.

So what has she been in or why are people so excited she is on the show?

I didn't find anything all that amazing about her performance in this episode. Am I missing something?

ann_sgcfan
December 20th, 2010, 05:01 PM
I'm guessing they asked her to the show because she's freakin Polly Walker. She's A-MAZING. I'd guess that has much more to do with it than her nationality. ;)

OK - Sorry, I've never heard of her before. I Still think there is more to Gregory giving Helen the gifts 120 years earlier. There was a reason he wanted her to be able to go to the city all those years ago.

Skydiver
December 20th, 2010, 05:03 PM
did he? what if he time traveled and went back in time to give her the gifts after he knew about adam's carnage and knew she'd need help?

ann_sgcfan
December 20th, 2010, 05:08 PM
did he? what if he time traveled and went back in time to give her the gifts after he knew about adam's carnage and knew she'd need help?

I don't know that Adam would share his time traveling gizmos with his nemesis dad. It is possible Gregory "borrowed" it. I just wonder why he flashed back to 1800s and not flash back to the last time he was in the Sanctuary and just leave it for Helen to find then. Although I could see the significance of the last gifts Gregory gave to Helen to be memorable.

I like the idea of Gregory (who always seemed to have things very well planned out) to having motives 120+ years ago because it's just me hoping there is more for Helen in the city. Gregory seems to be very involved with the superabnormals ... how did that come about? Is there another great discovery for Helen ... more Gregory background?

Anyways should be interesting ... I hope they explain it.

majorsal
December 20th, 2010, 05:27 PM
I've also noticed the color being a bit off, but i've always attributed it to the fact that i'll rewatch it off on demand, and i think the video compression messes with it. the audio also seemed to be up and down, at least to me. kinda hard to hear at times

i *always* go through this with the series! it's when i replay it (vcr :p) with closed captioning, that i pick up on all the dialog i couldn't hear the first time. (the farmer father was literally a foreign language he was speaking, not just an accent)

ann_sgcfan
December 20th, 2010, 05:42 PM
In stead of continuing to edit my previous post, thought I would just write a new post. :P

Gregory has lived a life Helen has no idea about and I gather from the flashbacks they were very close... She thought he had died and he showed up in Season 2 with amnesia working with the Cabal. He goes missing in a desert in the late 1800s and yet he is found frozen by the Cabal in the 21st century. Was he frozen all those years? Then instead of staying to fight the Cabal with his daughter he tells her it's better no one knows he's there. Was he worried about the Cabal or another group? I always thought he was more worried about someone/ something else.

In Season 3 we learn he is now working with the superabnormals. How did that come about... has he been working with them since he disappeared in 1800s or since he left the sanctuary? If that is a recent event then who froze him? LOL I know these questions can't be answered with any form of certainty, because they haven't been explained on they show yet ... it's just fun guessing. I hope they do explain them at some point.

MidwifeOnBoard
December 20th, 2010, 06:17 PM
I guess I've never heard of Polly Walker. I vaguely remember seeing her face sometime in the past, but when several people got so excited she was on the show, I had no clue who she was.

So what has she been in or why are people so excited she is on the show?

I didn't find anything all that amazing about her performance in this episode. Am I missing something?

Most recently she was in Rome and Caprica, but she's been in a TON of stuff, mostly British, I think, since the late 80s/ early 90s. She's a powerhouse actor. Really awesome. IMDB her and check out some of her stuff.


OK - Sorry, I've never heard of her before. I Still think there is more to Gregory giving Helen the gifts 120 years earlier. There was a reason he wanted her to be able to go to the city all those years ago.

Most definitely. I just don't think their choice of actor had anything to do with it. :)

hedwig
December 20th, 2010, 06:27 PM
Do we know what the ratings are for this episode yet? Or is that info delayed for some reason?

majorsal
December 20th, 2010, 06:30 PM
Do we know what the ratings are for this episode yet? Or is that info delayed for some reason?

we're still waiting. i'm not sure if it's delayed, but the broadcast ratings are out already, so i'm just hoping the cable ones will be out any min now :)

jelgate
December 20th, 2010, 07:27 PM
we're still waiting. i'm not sure if it's delayed, but the broadcast ratings are out already, so i'm just hoping the cable ones will be out any min now :)

They are? I've only seen the fast tracked ratings.

majorsal
December 20th, 2010, 07:40 PM
They are? I've only seen the fast tracked ratings.

i'm on tvbythenumbers, and i've not seen them yet.

so you're saying they are out, but the fast track one? i don't even know what fast tracked ones is.

jelgate
December 20th, 2010, 07:42 PM
i'm on tvbythenumbers, and i've not seen them yet.

so you're saying they are out, but the fast track one? i don't even know what fast tracked ones is.

You said the broadcast numbers where already out which I haven't seen. Fast traffic are the the numbers you see in the morning. Final broadcast are ones Yanan reports in the evening

majorsal
December 20th, 2010, 07:48 PM
You said the broadcast numbers where already out which I haven't seen. Fast traffic are the the numbers you see in the morning. Final broadcast are ones Yanan reports in the evening

i'm just going by what's shown on this front page - http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/ - it shows friday finale ratings, which i assume are from regular tv.

Kyarra
December 20th, 2010, 08:51 PM
My thoughts on Sanctuary Season 3 Episode 10 - The Hollow Men:
--Adam loves to go for those sore spots and poke at them, doesn't he?

--Anyone see the gang suspended in air by electric chains or whatever and think, "Incredibles!"


Technically, I think it was Hyde who brought up the whole losing a child thing, as well as picking that fight with Druitt.
And I totally thought about the Incredibles in that last scnene! :)

Kyarra
December 20th, 2010, 08:59 PM
i really didn't see adam's betrayal coming. i'm naive'. :p

I actually didn't either... although thinking back I probably should have... Then again, I never see such things coming, so I'm about par for the course. :)

Kyarra
December 20th, 2010, 09:01 PM
she did look, well deformed is too strong of a word, but marked on her face.

speaking of the farmer's wife, is it just me, or did she look kinda like Rachel Luttrell?

hedwig
December 20th, 2010, 09:18 PM
speaking of the farmer's wife, is it just me, or did she look kinda like Rachel Luttrell?

Not to me. :)

jmoz
December 20th, 2010, 09:36 PM
Was an ok episode, somewhat underwhelmed. Maybe because the so-called advanced civilization have the wisdom level of cavemen. Were the asgards the only good decent compassionate advanced race? Complete different show, I know.

Chelle DB
December 21st, 2010, 02:31 AM
Technically, I think it was Hyde who brought up the whole losing a child thing, as well as picking that fight with Druitt.
Ok, speaking of the whole losing a child thing that Adam seems to bring up on more than one ocassion - Adam says:
"You never survive on your own…maybe you don’t want to. Death of a child…hmmm….never quite the same after that is it?"
What do you all suppose he meant by that?
My interpretation was that after having lost Ashley, perhaps Helen's desire to live isn't as strong as it once was....that her will to live has been changed...that she not afraid to die because she no longer has Ashley to consider. Not that I'm saying that is what Helen is actually feeling or thinking but more so that perhaps that's what Adam was implying.
Sorry to use the old adage that I'm using my own personal experience as a parent but I can't imagine the impact on ones life at what losing a child would be. I known that for me, the mere thought of not having one of my children in my life anymore would shatter my world. I can't imagine a greater pain.

helenmagnus23
December 21st, 2010, 03:46 AM
Ok, speaking of the whole losing a child thing that Adam seems to bring up on more than one ocassion - Adam says:
"You never survive on your own…maybe you don’t want to. Death of a child…hmmm….never quite the same after that is it?"
What do you all suppose he meant by that?
My interpretation was that after having lost Ashley, perhaps Helen's desire to live isn't as strong as it once was....that her will to live has been changed...that she not afraid to die because she no longer has Ashley to consider. Not that I'm saying that is what Helen is actually feeling or thinking but more so that perhaps that's what Adam was implying.
Sorry to use the old adage that I'm using my own personal experience as a parent but I can't imagine the impact on ones life at what losing a child would be. I known that for me, the mere thought of not having one of my children in my life anymore would shatter my world. I can't imagine a greater pain.

I agree Chelle with her haveing Ash there she had a reason to live to keep on living but with Ash gone that drive isnt there as it once was .

Skydiver
December 21st, 2010, 04:23 AM
i can see that helen may be a bit more fatalistic and risk taking after ashley. but i also think that hyde desperately wanted to get to the city so was using every means possible to get there.

tesla and druitt fell right into his hands :)

the ashley reference was a guilt trip to try and get helen to relent.

meredithchandler73
December 21st, 2010, 05:15 AM
I also think that Adam's references to "death of a child" are simply him trying to hurt and provoke Helen. Just like Adam's comments to Druitt about Helen never loving him. He is obviously a manipulative b*st*rd.

Skydiver
December 21st, 2010, 10:08 AM
and then some. he knows how to punch buttons. helen has, pretty much, figured him out and didn't fall for it. druitt responded just like Adam knew he would, with aggression

Spimman
December 21st, 2010, 10:53 AM
Druitt did, but as much as he tried Tesla wasn't really falling for it. I love when he was ticking off John in his room and Tesla stopped him and gave him that smirk, kind of saying I'm too smart and cool to fall for your crap.

Demonique
December 21st, 2010, 11:26 AM
--The farmer that rescues Will and Helen - I recognized him from an episode of SG1. Company of Thieves, I think.

Yeah, Scott McNeil, he played Keflin (well a Kefflin-disguised Mitchell anyway), according to Scott TPTB wanted him to return as Kefflin but the show was canned

Did the farmer give his name?



I guess I've never heard of Polly Walker. I vaguely remember seeing her face sometime in the past, but when several people got so excited she was on the show, I had no clue who she was.

So what has she been in or why are people so excited she is on the show?

I didn't find anything all that amazing about her performance in this episode. Am I missing something?

Sister Clarice Willow, a religious crazie on Caprica, the prequel to Battlestar Galactica

Skydiver
December 21st, 2010, 01:38 PM
i noticed a couple of oops

in teh beginning, wehn druitt zorts them to the mountian, look at kate and henry's position when they leave and when they arrive

when they leave, druitt is facing them, kate screen right, henry screen left. when they arrive, druitt is between them, kate on his left, henry on his right and they're all facing the same way.

then there's another cut and they rearrange then too.

oops ;)


also, when helen and will are hanging from the bridge....and the rocks fall....amazing how there's no debris on the bridge

Matt G
December 21st, 2010, 03:16 PM
Well...I did "Watch with a mince pie". :)

1. You can try hanging on to the edge of that bridge if you want guys, I'd rather take my chances with the gap and then keep running.

2. Oh come on Helen, I wouldn't bring my mobile to Hollow Earth either!

3. Hyde...can't say I was completely shocked but I'm not sure what he's trying to achieve.

4. Praxis leader is the same woman who played Sister Clarice? I was wondering where I knew her from!

5. OK...how 'are' they going to get out of this?

Interesting cliffie...hope we don't have to wait too long.

hedwig
December 21st, 2010, 04:20 PM
Well...I did "Watch with a mince pie". :)

1. You can try hanging on to the edge of that bridge if you want guys, I'd rather take my chances with the gap and then keep running.

2. Oh come on Helen, I wouldn't bring my mobile to Hollow Earth either!

3. Hyde...can't say I was completely shocked but I'm not sure what he's trying to achieve.

4. Praxis leader is the same woman who played Sister Clarice? I was wondering where I knew her from!

5. OK...how 'are' they going to get out of this?

Interesting cliffie...hope we don't have to wait too long.

Sadly, we have to wait until April. :(

MidwifeOnBoard
December 21st, 2010, 04:24 PM
Sadly, we have to wait until April. :(

April will be here before we know it :)

hedwig
December 21st, 2010, 04:27 PM
April will be here before we know it :)

True. It's really only three months (and a few days) till April. I know I can find things to do and keep myself busy until then. :D

MidwifeOnBoard
December 21st, 2010, 04:32 PM
True. It's really only three months (and a few days) till April. I know I can find things to do and keep myself busy until then. :D

LOL. I'm an April baby, and at least I have Sanctuary to look forward to as a bday pressie. :D

Silly life-stress:I'm a little antsy about being childless with the age I'll be turning. :eek:

Rocky89
December 21st, 2010, 08:34 PM
- 1.474 million viewers
- 0.9 HH
- 0.4 A18-49
- 0.6 A25-54

Pretty good ratings. :)

Homer 120
December 22nd, 2010, 03:56 AM
- 1.474 million viewers
- 0.9 HH
- 0.4 A18-49
- 0.6 A25-54

Pretty good ratings. :)

Was going to ask about the ratings for this eppy, thanks! Lets hope these numbers keep Syfy happy and renew it, at the ver lest it is yet another show to fill the void when SGU bows out in Spring :(

Loved the ep. Loved the interactions between Kate and Henry, also Henry's line

Henry: ''Yeah I think I just had a Vista moment'' LOL!

blazingfire
December 22nd, 2010, 10:49 AM
Fantastic episode ,the basilisk was pretty cool, strange they didn't add any Harry Potter references though :)

The visual effects at the end looked pretty amateurish though, the lightning was awful, so were the mushroom farm things and it was really obvious they were on a green screen when they got electrocuted.

I really can't wait till April, it's a loooong wait!

suse
December 22nd, 2010, 03:04 PM
Fantastic episode ,the basilisk was pretty cool, strange they didn't add any Harry Potter references though :)

The visual effects at the end looked pretty amateurish though, the lightning was awful, so were the mushroom farm things and it was really obvious they were on a green screen when they got electrocuted.

Basilisks aren't just from Harry Potter. Though the size sure seems to be... (:lol: Good thing it didn't petrify Helen!)

MidwifeOnBoard
December 22nd, 2010, 03:27 PM
Fantastic episode ,the basilisk was pretty cool, strange they didn't add any Harry Potter references though :)


I thought the basilisk was the HP reference! ;) :P

blazingfire
December 22nd, 2010, 06:20 PM
Basilisks aren't just from Harry Potter. Though the size sure seems to be... (:lol: Good thing it didn't petrify Helen!)

Well it sure seemed liked one, snakey features, deaf....

And Polly Walker's dress was just....ugh. :eek:

M2W
December 22nd, 2010, 09:16 PM
I'm wondering if Druitt didn't leave Tesla behind intentionally--not because he didn't want him to come, but as a back up plan in case Adam conned him (which he did).

Skydiver
December 23rd, 2010, 09:54 AM
tha'ts very possible. with tesla left behind someone knows where they are and how to bail them out...or tell the rest of the sanctuary network where their boss went

SnowWhite
December 23rd, 2010, 12:14 PM
I like this idea. I was quite angry with Druitt for tricking Nikola, especially because they even managed to work together before.. but it would be logical if Druitt wantet him "at home" for a reason and just prefered to tease him instead of explaining.. just the thing he would do

hedwig
December 23rd, 2010, 12:20 PM
So ... Tesla, the Big Guy, Declan, and??? ... to the rescue? :D

Skydiver
December 23rd, 2010, 12:29 PM
probably just those 3, bear in mind, they gotta get to the Himalayas in the middle of winter....not gonna be easy unless there's another teleporting abby out there we've never seen

MidwifeOnBoard
December 23rd, 2010, 12:40 PM
I'm wondering if Druitt didn't leave Tesla behind intentionally--not because he didn't want him to come, but as a back up plan in case Adam conned him (which he did).

I love this idea! Nice thinking. :)

Dinoman
December 23rd, 2010, 04:36 PM
I'm wondering if Druitt didn't leave Tesla behind intentionally--not because he didn't want him to come, but as a back up plan in case Adam conned him (which he did).

I thought so too. In fact Druitt did remind Tesla to get some help before going after them, so perhaps he already knew Adam wouldn't be that easy and nice, and he was right.

majorsal
December 23rd, 2010, 04:54 PM
i can't wait to see how this story turns out! :D

sci-fied
December 29th, 2010, 04:40 PM
After finally watching the episode and reading through this thread, I have a few questions/musings:

1. Back in Animus, Tesla used an EM field to trick the map and hide the source blood. Why couldn't he have joined the quest and generated an EM field for Helen, Druitt and himself, instead of fashioning the bracelet-shield for just one?

2. Someone mentioned earlier that Kali's friends might be responsible for the earthquakes. Are they doing that because they have a Macri/Big Bertha equivalent or are they somehow displeased with Praxia? Does Gregory have influence over them?

3. Would not the EM properties of the city's stone surroundings make an ideal location for Tesla to work for a rescue?

4. Or maybe it is Tesla who has caused these earthquakes and wants to trade potential re-vamping for cessation of his destruction. Is that maybe part of the reason why he is so upset when Druitt takes off without him?

EvenstarSRV
December 29th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Finally got around to watching this episode, quite enjoyable what a great cliffhanger, though I felt like it dragged a bit in places, like the bit with the basilisk. But still there were lots of nice moments between the characters, Kate and Henry, Helen and Will, and I esp liked the bad boys club back in the Sanctuary w/Tesla, Druitt, and Adam. I can't wait to see how this storyline gets resolved, the wait until April is going to be tough.



and we still haven't seen the super abnormals....and gregory is most likely amongst their acolytes. Polly knew aboout the will seeing the super abbies...but how can she give refuge to them if abnormals are 'evil'?

I think the earthquakes are an important part of the plot. as are the potential unlimited number of abbies taking refuge down there, especially ones like the basilsk, which would be kinda hard to hide on the surface.

I'm wondering if the city started out as a sanctuary millennia ago. then, when y ou have potential normal humans in with them, divisions started, first for simple protection, but have been warped into some sort of exclusion, seemingly held with violence.

or maybe it was a refuge from the 'dark days' when the vampires ruled. They have suggested that when Tesla's vamps ruled the earth, they weren't kind and gentle overlords. so it may have also been a refuge from that, which has morphed into a discriminatory and militaristic state.....then again, for all we know, they were killed just to make a statement and polly will revive them?

I wonder about the relationship between Praxis and Adam's creeps. Adam said that the people of Hollow Earth took him in and showed him their technology, which doesn't jive with the anti-Outsider attitude of the people of Praxis. Maybe the creeps are part of a kind of subversive movement within Hollow Earth that co-opted Adam to help them with their plans and it was the Praxis people who kicked him out.


Good episode, but again sort of setting us up for the next one. imho, this can be the problem with big arc storylines. Still, it kept me hooked.

I could predict that Adam was setting Druitt up for something, just not what.

As for the executions, my guess is that the woman is a secret ally of Gregory and somehow the executions were for show for the holo-audience.
Even Martin (Bloodthirsty) Wood wouldn't kill the whole lead cast--esp. the leading lady & exec producer. :D

LOL, I think MW joked in the Sleepers podcast last year that they should kill off everyone and then start with a brand new cast, looks like he got half his wish. :P



My concern about the whole hollow earth storyline is that while it makes a great adventure, if after this situation is resolved we have the Sanctuary people shuttling back & forth it would get too cheesy. IMHO they're going to have to write something so that they can never go back.


I have a feeling they're going to have all those earthquakes somehow lead to Hollow Earth getting cut off from the surface, otherwise you're right, there'd be issues with easy access to all that technology and such.

hedwig
December 30th, 2010, 09:03 AM
I wonder about the relationship between Praxis and Adam's creeps. Adam said that the people of Hollow Earth took him in and showed him their technology, which doesn't jive with the anti-Outsider attitude of the people of Praxis. Maybe the creeps are part of a kind of subversive movement within Hollow Earth that co-opted Adam to help them with their plans and it was the Praxis people who kicked him out.

I think there is more than one "faction" in Hollow Earth. The ones that "helped" Adam when he washed up at the landing were wearing cloaks and hoods like Gregory was in the scene with the avatars. I think they are one separate group. The other is the one which Polly/Ranna are part of, and who are anti-abnormals. They co-exist, but not happily.

LEKY
December 30th, 2010, 10:42 AM
Hi all might not matter when you join.
Only recently I saw this part and I must say that the conclusion of the first half line is absolutely wonderful and awful at the same time astounding.I can not wait for the sequel, but do not want to wait that long. I will probably not survive:(-

I LOVE NIKOLA AND HENRY :D

Kate1013
January 1st, 2011, 12:52 PM
Ooh I don't know if I can wait until April to see what happens! We all know that they obviously come back to life somehow but there's so many unanswered questions.

The more I watch this programme, the more I seem to love it. Season 3 just seems to get better and better, and the past few episodes have really gripped me. So much so that the accents no longer bother me so much. With the exception of Adam, who is Irish not English and a huge faux pas in my eyes.

And the 'bloody hell' comments amuse me to no end! Fab stuff!

mjwalshe
January 2nd, 2011, 11:53 AM
My favorite exchange:

"Are you saying we got rebooted?"

"Uh huh - I am DEFINITELY having a Vista moment"

I love it when geeky characters rip on Microsoft's Vista. It just adds to the realism. :D

Hmm sounds like a writer had a hissy fit over not reading the manual for his new printer I would have though that Henry would have done what most techies have done and skipped from XP to Win 7.

Referencing IPL or a Kernel Panic would have been more "geeky"

Skydiver
January 2nd, 2011, 04:24 PM
yeah, but most average viewers wouldn't have the foggiest idea what Kernal Panic is while anyone gets that vista is buggy

Spimman
January 2nd, 2011, 08:44 PM
yeah, but most average viewers wouldn't have the foggiest idea what Kernal Panic is while anyone gets that vista is buggy

MLIA - I only get the Vista joke

dee
January 7th, 2011, 09:55 PM
everybody, their execution was fake a set up to show the council memebers that intruders were handle by the law, she didnt really kill them because she needs there help. I also think the act between John and Tesla was also an act to fool Adems. I realy think Tesla was lefted behind to play the white knight to the rescue. As to Will who kepted looking at the beast and making remarks? that is soooo human just like a train wreck, bad but you cant turn away.

hedwig
January 8th, 2011, 02:25 PM
everybody, their execution was fake a set up to show the council memebers that intruders were handle by the law, she didnt really kill them because she needs there help. I also think the act between John and Tesla was also an act to fool Adems. I realy think Tesla was lefted behind to play the white knight to the rescue. As to Will who kepted looking at the beast and making remarks? that is soooo human just like a train wreck, bad but you cant turn away.

I had kind of a similar thought. I don't think the team is actually dead; they are unconscious instead.

I don't think Tesla, however, was expecting to be left behind; considering his very annoyed "S.O.B." comment. But he probably will have something to do with the team being rescued.

Skydiver
January 8th, 2011, 05:32 PM
i have the same thought. that what'shername executed them for show and then will ask for their help.

I think

praxis is dying.

now, what role do the super abbies play? is Polly a baddie? Is she a sympathetic figure?

whatever and however it plays out, I do think the episode will end with Praxis being lost, and everything lost with it. It's the Sanctuary equivalent of getting their own hatak ship and sarcophagus...too powerful for them to have

Demonique
January 16th, 2011, 10:16 AM
Does anyone else think that those farmers will be back? Maybe they'll get in trouble for helping them.

Or maybe they're secretly planning a rebellion with Sister Clarice (can't remember her Sanctuary name)

sarahjones3
January 18th, 2011, 04:42 AM
Hi

I would have started a thread for this question but probie status will not let me :-)

Is The Hollow Men the last episode in season three? I found a site that has another 5 or so episodes listed as 'still in production'. But then Syfy list Sanctuary season 4 as airing in April 2011. O_o

Anyone enlighten me?

Thanks ^.^

RealmOfX
January 18th, 2011, 05:32 AM
Hi

I would have started a thread for this question but probie status will not let me :-)

Is The Hollow Men the last episode in season three? I found a site that has another 5 or so episodes listed as 'still in production'. But then Syfy list Sanctuary season 4 as airing in April 2011. O_o

Anyone enlighten me?

Thanks ^.^

The second half (another 10 eps) of Season 3 is airing starting April on Syfy. Season 4 has yet to be approved, they are still in negotiations for it.

sarahjones3
January 18th, 2011, 05:47 AM
The second half (another 10 eps) of Season 3 is airing starting April on Syfy. Season 4 has yet to be approved, they are still in negotiations for it.

Awwww ok ^.^ thanks for clearing that up Realm.

Roll on April!!! (more Tesla just in time for my birthday! *happy wiggle*)

dee
January 31st, 2011, 11:40 PM
:samanime24:
i noticed a couple of oops

in teh beginning, wehn druitt zorts them to the mountian, look at kate and henry's position when they leave and when they arrive

when they leave, druitt is facing them, kate screen right, henry screen left. when they arrive, druitt is between them, kate on his left, henry on his right and they're all facing the same way.

then there's another cut and they rearrange then too.

oops ;) or when the ground gave away and John fell Helen wasnt reacting to the fall at all.


also, when helen and will are hanging from the bridge....and the rocks fall....amazing how there's no debris on the bridge

Spimman
February 6th, 2011, 08:03 PM
I'm more excited to see how this is resolved than any other show on tv

dee
February 14th, 2011, 11:14 PM
Hmm sounds like a writer had a hissy fit over not reading the manual for his new printer I would have though that Henry would have done what most techies have done and skipped from XP to Win 7.

Referencing IPL or a Kernel Panic would have been more "geeky"

Henry's an Apple dude.

dee
February 14th, 2011, 11:17 PM
pre tell, what is the happy wiggle :)

kes
July 28th, 2011, 05:02 PM
Love how the conveniently forgot that Tesla can shield himself and at least 1 more person. The 3 of them could have gone to the city. Also means that later they didnt need Adam to avoid the city's defenses.