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GateWorld
November 6th, 2010, 06:00 PM
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With new intel from Adam, Helen and John strike out in search of the key to the hidden city. Will receives a visit from an F.B.I. acquaintance looking for help on a case, pointing to a serial killer using Abnormal beetles as his weapon of choice.

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Skydiver
December 10th, 2010, 08:02 PM
Pretty good eps

Lots of set up. so might seem boring cause of that. but the fr jensen/fr clark is settled, will has a new friend/complication???
poor biggie, lovely biggie/kate moment

next week....yay for polly walker and it's Hollow Earth time :D

Emengee
December 10th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Yay for Vigilante!

I totally squeed when John fell into the hole and Helen fell on top of him. And when they watched the sunset together. He was so caring! He still loves her!

And either I'm seeing things, or that FBI chick looks a lot like Topanga from.... I can't remember the show! Gah! And I nearly lost it when Nikola was playing with the buttons on her shirt! "You're welcome" LOL!


My inner shipper is still squeeing!

Magic_Amethyst80
December 10th, 2010, 08:22 PM
And either I'm seeing things, or that FBI chick looks a lot like Topanga from.... I can't remember the show! Gah! And I nearly lost it when Nikola was playing with the buttons on her shirt! "You're welcome" LOL!

Boy Meets World, need to IMDB it to see if it was the same actress!

Rocky89
December 10th, 2010, 08:44 PM
Very entertaining episode tonight. ;)

The main thing I wanted to see was Will and the others show Helen they're main reason for wanting to use Adam to find the city is for Helen's survival. I liked when Will went at Adam when he wasn't being serious, and how John asked Adam to give him a reason to hurt or kill him. :p I loved the Helen and John scenes, especially the one with them on the rock, and when they both fall into the canyon and started laughing. :D I liked the scene when John had the library dude hanging from the bell tower, and how he was teasing him. :p One thing I really liked was when John saw Helen taking her meds, and you could tell her was worried about her, and even though the fight was really short, it was sweet. :D I like then the 2 of them are a team, it's something special. :) Overall there story was really good, and I hope to see more of them together. :)

As for the B story, I liked it, I think Will taking over the Sanctuary and seeing how hard it is to do the job gave him a much greater appreciation for Helen, and how hard it must be to do what she does. :) I'm glad we got to see some more Biggie story, and him bond a bit with Kate. :) And man, I'm glad that evil priest dude is done for, he was bad. :p The effects this season have been really good, this episode was a good example of it.

Just some little things I liked, I liked Tesla's interaction with the female cop, and how he just told her his real name, and how he tried to unbutton her shirt. :p He wouldn't DARE try that with Helen. :p I also liked the twitter joke, I thought of Amanda right away. Oh, and we now know Helen can speak yet another language. :p I'll review more in my replies. :)

LadyGalaxyJ
December 10th, 2010, 08:47 PM
Random thoughts:

I agree with Sky, lots of set up. Probably why I prefered the last two episodes to this one, but it was still REALLY good! It's just if we compared them... :)

Loved how there were many things going on in that episode. It's a change from the last two that I enjoyed. Breach and FK&C gave us only 'one' story.

I thought that the Father Clark arc would be a more important. Definitly not what I had in mind. BUT I LOVED IT. And the Biggie/Kate scene at the end was really touching. A great moment. Have to watch it again. :)

And you know, those scenes between Helen & John, especially the ones in Mongolia, were a great continuation from what we saw last week. Over all, I'm just glad they didn't drop it. :D

Magnus and Tesla have less interactions. Kind of sad. :( Probably because under the circumstances, their usual banter woudln't fit. Idk... o.ô

Told ya it was random. :P

hedwig
December 10th, 2010, 08:55 PM
Boy Meets World, need to IMDB it to see if it was the same actress!

According to the credits, her name is Pascale Hutton. She played the first officer on the Aurora (ancient warship) on SGA, who turned out to be a wraith disguising itself as the first officer. I knew she looked familiar, but had to look up the name to find out. :)

Danielle Fishel played Topanga on "Boy Meets World". I looked that up too. :D

Steff
December 10th, 2010, 09:12 PM
Pretty good eps

Lots of set up. so might seem boring cause of that. but the fr jensen/fr clark is settled, will has a new friend/complication???
poor biggie, lovely biggie/kate moment

next week....yay for polly walker and it's Hollow Earth time :D

The continuation of the Underground city arc was a bit sparce for me but I did enjoy the other story as a very good stand alone episode. So in the end I was a little torn between wanting to see more of Helen/John and watching the wonderful interaction between the big guy and Kate. Didn't care for the new person with Will much and I'm a little skeptical about her motives. We will see.

lordofseas
December 10th, 2010, 09:21 PM
Yay. :D All I have to say.

Rocky89
December 10th, 2010, 09:23 PM
Random thoughts:

I agree with Sky, lots of set up. Probably why I prefered the last two episodes to this one, but it was still REALLY good! It's just if we compared them... :)

Loved how there were many things going on in that episode. It's a change from the last two that I enjoyed. Breach and FK&C gave us only 'one' story.

I thought that the Father Clark arc would be a more important. Definitly not what I had in mind. BUT I LOVED IT. And the Biggie/Kate scene at the end was really touching. A great moment. Have to watch it again. :)

And you know, those scenes between Helen & John, especially the ones in Mongolia, were a great continuation from what we saw last week. Over all, I'm just glad they didn't drop it. :D

Magnus and Tesla have less interactions. Kind of sad. :( Probably because under the circumstances, their usual banter woudln't fit. Idk... o.ô

Told ya it was random. :P

I like that the last few episodes have given us a lot of story, and I can't wait to see what it all leads up to. As soon as I heard "Mongolia", I thought Emancipation and Sam. :p

It makes sense for Helen to have a little less interaction with Tesla she had a lot with him in ToB and Animus, so I think it was time for a little Helen and John time. :)

LadyGalaxyJ
December 10th, 2010, 09:26 PM
According to the credits, her name is Pascale Hutton. She played the first officer on the Aurora (ancient warship) on SGA, who turned out to be a wraith disguising itself as the first officer. I knew she looked familiar, but had to look up the name to find out. :)
That's why she looked familiar! :D Hehe, thanks. :)


The continuation of the Underground city arc was a bit sparce for me but I did enjoy the other story as a very good stand alone episode. So in the end I was a little torn between wanting to see more of Helen/John and watching the wonderful interaction between the big guy and Kate. Didn't care for the new person with Will much and I'm a little skeptical about her motives. We will see.
That's what I like about it - the fact that it wasn't only about the city. Sure, I enjoy the story arc it brings to the show, but I was never one for a show where every episode follows the preceeding one. I don't mind when it happens sometimes, when you do a call back to an episode that happened a year before, but I don't like it when it's like every episode. (Don't know if I make sense... o.ô) So, I was happy to have a B plot in this week's ep. :D

But it's just MHO. :)

Steff
December 10th, 2010, 09:46 PM
That's why she looked familiar! :D Hehe, thanks. :)


That's what I like about it - the fact that it wasn't only about the city. Sure, I enjoy the story arc it brings to the show, but I was never one for a show where every episode follows the preceeding one. I don't mind when it happens sometimes, when you do a call back to an episode that happened a year before, but I don't like it when it's like every episode. (Don't know if I make sense... o.ô) So, I was happy to have a B plot in this week's ep. :D

But it's just MHO. :)

You make total sense. I look back at my favorite episodes of shows like this and the X-Files and most often the episodes that stand out in my mind are the B story ones. The vampires, the carnival, the slimmy guy that traveled through the sewers.... *grossss*. But it is the main arc of a show that excites me from week to week. Bits of both are perfect entertainment.

LadyGalaxyJ
December 10th, 2010, 09:53 PM
I like that the last few episodes have given us a lot of story, and I can't wait to see what it all leads up to. As soon as I heard "Mongolia", I thought Emancipation and Sam. :p
I'm kind of afraid of a big cliffhanger for next week. I don't want the Christmas break to come. :P
But you're right at the same time. I really want to know where all of this will go!


It makes sense for Helen to have a little less interaction with Tesla she had a lot with him in ToB and Animus, so I think it was time for a little Helen and John time. :)
Well, you won't hear me complaining if Helen & John have more screen time together. :rolleyes::D But I was just pointing out something... :)

EvenstarSRV
December 10th, 2010, 10:21 PM
Pretty good episode, felt a bit disjointed between the two storylines, but I did like that they brought Father Jensen back and resolved that storyline. Absolutely lovely stuff from Bigfoot and that last Kate and Bigfoot scene was very nicely done. I really like that they've switched up the pairings a bit this season, lots more of Kate and Bigfoot together as well as Will and Henry working together.

Will trying to run the Sanctuary was fun, though Helen still pretty much kept her autonomy in tracking down the keystone. The FBI agent seems rather suspicious (she has access to top secret data even Helen doesn't?) but I can see why Will seems a bit taken with her, she's almost exactly where he was before he joined the Sanctuary. I wonder if, now that he's the boss, he'll let her in on the Sanctuary secret.

The Helen and Druitt storyline felt rather by the numbers, though the character beats between them in that field and on top of that building in Hong Kong were quite nice, though Druitt seems a bit too in control considering how we last saw him.

We finally get to see Hollow Earth next week and yay for Polly Walker! :D I just hope we don't have to wait too long for the 2nd half of the season.

hedwig
December 10th, 2010, 10:23 PM
So Henry has a girlfriend now (the girl lycen from "Animus"). And it looks like Will just might have a girlfriend.

What I want to know is when is Biggie going to find a girlfriend, and when is Kate going to find a boyfriend?

And, also, since when has the Sanctuary started giving tours to people they've just met, just because they ask for a tour? Or, at least, suggested a tour at some later point in time? :)

mandogater
December 10th, 2010, 10:25 PM
Lots of set up in this one. The Underground city is getting more and more interesting.

All of the Helen and John moments were a nice touch. Has he learned to control that elemental that bonded with him or is it weakening? He was a lot less Ripper and a lot more worried ex.

Nice twist with the new priest. Serial killer was not one of the options I was thinking of. The Biggie and Kate bonding moments were great.

What's with the lady FBI agent? New girlfriend for Will or new trouble for later in the season?

hedwig
December 10th, 2010, 10:27 PM
Lots of set up in this one. The Underground city is getting more and more interesting.

All of the Helen and John moments were a nice touch. Has he learned to control that elemental that bonded with him or is it weakening? He was a lot less Ripper and a lot more worried ex.

Nice twist with the new priest. Serial killer was not one of the options I was thinking of. The Biggie and Kate bonding moments were great.

What's with the lady FBI agent? New girlfriend for Will or new trouble for later in the season?

A bit of both? She was very sympathetic and kind to Biggie when she found him wounded. I think she's maybe a bit overly curious, but I was wondering about her motives, too, when she first showed up out of the blue like that. I'm just a bit surprised Will isn't more suspicious.

AresLover452
December 10th, 2010, 10:42 PM
Very entertaining episode tonight. ;)

The main thing I wanted to see was Will and the others show Helen they're main reason for wanting to use Adam to find the city is for Helen's survival. I liked when Will went at Adam when he wasn't being serious, and how John asked Adam to give him a reason to hurt or kill him. :p I loved the Helen and John scenes, especially the one with them on the rock, and when they both fall into the canyon and started laughing. :D I liked the scene when John had the library dude hanging from the bell tower, and how he was teasing him. :p One thing I really liked was when John saw Helen taking her meds, and you could tell her was worried about her, and even though the fight was really short, it was sweet. :D I like then the 2 of them are a team, it's something special. :) Overall there story was really good, and I hope to see more of them together. :)

Loved all of the John and Helen scenes. John seeing helen take the meds made him worry about her more and more. The fight scene was short and sweet with John teleporting them out.... and john tormenting the guy was hilarious!!!

John: I think I'm getting a cramp!

I lost it after he said that and that guy freaked out!!

Totally LOVED this episode! All of it!!

EvenstarSRV
December 10th, 2010, 10:51 PM
What's with the lady FBI agent? New girlfriend for Will or new trouble for later in the season?

Well (spoilers for upcoming ep One Night) According to an interview I read with Robin Dunne, Will tries to go on a date with Abby in this episode and runs into complications. So would say yes on the new girlfriend, and I guess we'll find out if she's ends up causing trouble.

meredithchandler73
December 11th, 2010, 06:09 AM
I really loved this episode. A very different feel from Breach and For King And Country (which were each very different from each other), but I liked it a lot. What struck me were that the pairings in each scene were SOOOO wonderful!

Of course, the Helen-John interaction was fantastic. Everything from their fall and having a moment to laugh to a quiet moment sitting on a rock (where Helen's guard is still up) to working in tandem to retrieve the keystone. John's care and concern for Helen was obvious everywhere. What's going on with the energy creature inside him? Could all the time he spent in Cambodia all drugged up have actually done something to dispel or quiet the creature? The way she said, "John, take me to London." The look on her face, the look on his face. I desperately love the interaction between these two characters and these two actors together. More, please!!!

Tesla was hilarious, as usual. He was taking such delight in toying with Abby (the FBI gal) and seemed to be pushing for Will to hit on her. And he had some terrific lines:
"Shoot your employee day comes but once a year." "Keep that up and one day you're going to be worth something to this organization." "Brawny and Marie." "I don't need to see an episode of House to find our probably cause." I wished there could have been a little more Helen-Nikola interaction, but it's hard to complain with so many other wonderful pairings happening in this episode.

Love that Will discovers how incredibly tough it is to run the Sanctuary. Will: "How does Magnus do it?" BECAUSE HELEN MAGNUS IS AWESOMENESS PERSONIFIED!!! And of course she speaks Norwegian. By the way - I found an interview with Chris Heyerdahl that was done in French - done in Montreal to promote the Twilight movie when it was coming out - and I thought that was SOOO hot. If John Druitt had become fluent in French - what if Helen and John had a conversation in French in order for others listening not to understand them? I just like picturing the two of them speaking French to one another. Sexy, no?

I really liked the character of Abby. I kept wondering throughout the episode if she was trustworthy or not. She had access to that top TOP secret data that even the Sanctuary didn't have access to, but it was because she came across them in files she was just suppose to file away. Who is doing all this covering up? Kate says the official autopsy report she and Magnus saw doesn't match what were in the files Abby provided. If she were some sort of bad guy, would she be providing info to help Will solve their case? Unless the whole purpose of the exercise was to gain his trust? I really liked the moment she had with Biggie which echoed his first meeting with Father Jensen (another time he had been shot up and lying in an alley). I'm hoping she is legit because I really liked her. And she could keep Will on his toes since she studies behavior and could tell when he was holding back. And frankly, I think they're a cuter couple than Will and Clara (invisible girl) were.

Enjoyed the little nods of recognition of the characters. Abby recognizes the name Nikola Tesla and the museum curator was starting to tell John which historical person he resembled. Fun.

I was glad we finally tied up Biggie's storyline. My heart broke for him when he woke up in the infirmary and starting crying. He wished he hadn't killed the man because Father Jensen would have been disappointed in him. So often we get a revenge thread going and the good guy either backs down from killing or the baddie escalates his deeds and there isn't guilt in killing him. But I loved that this weighed on his heart and how Kate was there to comfort him, too.

For years I've been saying, "Amanda Tapping deserves all the prizes!" Well, I think Chris Heyerdahl deserves some, too!

REALLY looking forward to next week's episode, but I've got to prepare myself for the fact that it'll probably have a big cliffhanger that will drive me nuts.

P.S. The last two episodes of Sanctuary were so amazing that I had to buy them on iTunes as soon as I could. I'd save myself $12 (well now $6) if I buy a season pass instead of buying the eps one and a time. I didn't want to do this since I know I'll be buying the DVDs, but I'm not sure I can help myself!!! Aagghhh!!!

Skydiver
December 11th, 2010, 06:17 AM
I love the irony of Abby the fbi agent.....and abby for abnormal

coincidence? i think not ;)

I'm torn about her. I wonder if she'll be a good ally or something like fox mulder, trying to dig deeper into stuff and inadvertently hitting the mother lode

exscape
December 11th, 2010, 06:18 AM
Loved this episode (as well as the previous, and the entire story arc!). Tesla was brilliant as always.

"Bring me back some Mongolian wine. On second thought, don't."
The entire scene when the FBI agent entered was brilliant - including actually introducing himself as Nikola Tesla, and unbuttoning her shirt. :D

Druitt was awesome as well - nice to see him teleporting again, I've missed that. Led to some great and hilarious moments as well (teleporting out of the museum, onto Big Ben, stealing the keystone in a way otherwise impossible...).

prsweety
December 11th, 2010, 06:44 AM
I really loved this episode. A very different feel from Breach and For King And Country (which were each very different from each other), but I liked it a lot. What struck me were that the pairings in each scene were SOOOO wonderful!

Of course, the Helen-John interaction was fantastic. Everything from their fall and having a moment to laugh to a quiet moment sitting on a rock (where Helen's guard is still up) to working in tandem to retrieve the keystone. John's care and concern for Helen was obvious everywhere. What's going on with the energy creature inside him? Could all the time he spent in Cambodia all drugged up have actually done something to dispel or quiet the creature? The way she said, "John, take me to London." The look on her face, the look on his face. I desperately love the interaction between these two characters and these two actors together. More, please!!!

Tesla was hilarious, as usual. He was taking such delight in toying with Abby (the FBI gal) and seemed to be pushing for Will to hit on her. And he had some terrific lines:
"Shoot your employee day comes but once a year." "Keep that up and one day you're going to be worth something to this organization." "Brawny and Marie." "I don't need to see an episode of House to find our probably cause." I wished there could have been a little more Helen-Nikola interaction, but it's hard to complain with so many other wonderful pairings happening in this episode.

Love that Will discovers how incredibly tough it is to run the Sanctuary. Will: "How does Magnus do it?" BECAUSE HELEN MAGNUS IS AWESOMENESS PERSONIFIED!!! And of course she speaks Norwegian. By the way - I found an interview with Chris Heyerdahl that was done in French - done in Montreal to promote the Twilight movie when it was coming out - and I thought that was SOOO hot. If John Druitt had become fluent in French - what if Helen and John had a conversation in French in order for others listening not to understand them? I just like picturing the two of them speaking French to one another. Sexy, no? etc.............

ok....and again...freakin awesome.....quite honestly i could of done without the beetle story, but...ahhh those John/Helen moments were fantastic. and did anyone catch when Will is asking her why she is going to Mongolia, he says, "let's just send Druiit alone" Helen says" he's barely lucid, and it's John" she corrects Will. FREAKING AWESOME. Allowing the viewer to see that she is seeing him as John her lover, not Druitt the killer.....OMG OMG...the play on words....dear LORD......Sanctuary is just freaking awesome.........

atlantis_babe34
December 11th, 2010, 07:16 AM
ok....and again...freakin awesome.....quite honestly i could of done without the beetle story, but...ahhh those John/Helen moments were fantastic. and did anyone catch when Will is asking her why she is going to Mongolia, he says, "let's just send Druiit alone" Helen says" he's barely lucid, and it's John" she corrects Will. FREAKING AWESOME. Allowing the viewer to see that she is seeing him as John her lover, not Druitt the killer.....OMG OMG...the play on words....dear LORD......Sanctuary is just freaking awesome.........

i actually took that as she wanted to go with him to keep an eye on him, as well as in a sense its a "quest" to save her life. i know i'd wanna be a part of it if i was in that situation... plus John is playing the non ripper card atm, but who knows when he will change

i really enjoyed this episode, the A story line was great "you know i'm a bit of history buff, did you know that you look alot like *zort*" ahaha classic :)

I really enjoyed the Helen/ John interaction, the sunset scene was second to last weeks bittersweet moment with the two of them. i'm really interested in how this will futher their relationship.

Tesla was amazing as always, unbuttoning her shrit ahah classic :). had some fantastic one liners as well. I liked the fact that Will discovered how difficult Magnus' job really is and how he coped with it, Will is starting to bug me tho... I did like the end scene with his reassurace :)

Henry was great. "dude you broke it" XD...The kate and Biggie scenes.. especailly in the infirmary were brilliant I'm really starting to love their relationship, Biggie must now see her how he see's henry.

The FBI agent was great, pretty sure shes gonna be seen again :)

overall great episode can't wait for next week.. Polly Walker whoooop! XD

LadyGalaxyJ
December 11th, 2010, 07:37 AM
Love that Will discovers how incredibly tough it is to run the Sanctuary. Will: "How does Magnus do it?" BECAUSE HELEN MAGNUS IS AWESOMENESS PERSONIFIED!!! And of course she speaks Norwegian. By the way - I found an interview with Chris Heyerdahl that was done in French - done in Montreal to promote the Twilight movie when it was coming out - and I thought that was SOOO hot. If John Druitt had become fluent in French - what if Helen and John had a conversation in French in order for others listening not to understand them? I just like picturing the two of them speaking French to one another. Sexy, no?
I saw that interview. He speaks so well in French. o.o I was kind of surprise in fact, but it made me smile! :D:D
Would I love to see Helen and John talking French? ABSOLUTELY! 'Cause I could understand them - without the subtitles they would put on anyway. XD But in general, I love it when Helen speaks another language. I think it adds to her character. I do believe John and Nikola to speak other languages too. We know the real Tesla did anyway.

But French is hard when you don't know it and I don't think the actors can that in French (except CH of course!). So I don't think we'll hear them. ^^

Remembers me that I loved seeing Montreal in the season 2 opener. :rolleyes::D


I really liked the character of Abby. I kept wondering throughout the episode if she was trustworthy or not. She had access to that top TOP secret data that even the Sanctuary didn't have access to, but it was because she came across them in files she was just suppose to file away. Who is doing all this covering up? Kate says the official autopsy report she and Magnus saw doesn't match what were in the files Abby provided. If she were some sort of bad guy, would she be providing info to help Will solve their case? Unless the whole purpose of the exercise was to gain his trust? I really liked the moment she had with Biggie which echoed his first meeting with Father Jensen (another time he had been shot up and lying in an alley). I'm hoping she is legit because I really liked her. And she could keep Will on his toes since she studies behavior and could tell when he was holding back. And frankly, I think they're a cuter couple than Will and Clara (invisible girl) were.
I agree with what you said, especially with the bolded. I liked Clara, but thought she was a bit too much for Will. Over all, I'm just curious where they'll go with her character. :)


ok....and again...freakin awesome.....quite honestly i could of done without the beetle story, but...ahhh those John/Helen moments were fantastic. and did anyone catch when Will is asking her why she is going to Mongolia, he says, "let's just send Druiit alone" Helen says" he's barely lucid, and it's John" she corrects Will. FREAKING AWESOME. Allowing the viewer to see that she is seeing him as John her lover, not Druitt the killer.....OMG OMG...the play on words....dear LORD......Sanctuary is just freaking awesome.........

i actually took that as she wanted to go with him to keep an eye on him, as well as in a sense its a "quest" to save her life. i know i'd wanna be a part of it if i was in that situation... plus John is playing the non ripper card atm, but who knows when he will change
I'm thinking... something like a bridge between your ideas?

I really don't think she sees John as a lover again - she still had some of her barriers up during that moment on the rock in Mongolia. I do admit that some fell. She allowed him to touch her and they were rather close - compared the other scene on a rock we've seen in Revelations part I. ;)

But I do think the way she corrected Will in saying 'It's John' (not Druitt) is to tell him that he still means something to her and she needs time alone with him - which she is unlikely to get at the Sanctuary. So, they're everything BUT lovers again, but there is definitly some furthering of their present relationship going on and I like it. :)

kes
December 11th, 2010, 08:19 AM
Another brilliant ep, at least the part that related to Hollow Earth.
I liked that they showed us Will trying to run the Sanctuary and how hard it is but the Priest story didnt work very well. I have a feeling there's more to it then what we saw. I hope there is, otherwise I will be very disappointed.
There was just something fishy about that FBI agent.

Wonderfull moments between Magnus and Druitt.
I love Tesla and JY steals every scene, but he was seriously underused in this ep. Less pointless Kate more Tesla.
I dont care how wonderfull you all thought her moments with Biggie was. Its been a while since we've seen her and that's because she's pointless to a Sanctuary related story.
*Dodges tomatoes thrown by Kate lovers*

EH-T
December 11th, 2010, 08:37 AM
Pretty good episode, felt a bit disjointed between the two storylines, but I did like that they brought Father Jensen back and resolved that storyline. Absolutely lovely stuff from Bigfoot and that last Kate and Bigfoot scene was very nicely done. I really like that they've switched up the pairings a bit this season, lots more of Kate and Bigfoot together as well as Will and Henry working together.

I was out and caught the late repeat showing of Sanctuary about 15 mins in then saw most of the start this morning. I really need to watch it through to comment properly but a lot of your comments reflect my early impressions.

I agree it seemed disjointed (and not just because of the fact I watched it in pieces). After the last two weeks of full on stories dealing with Hollow Earth it seemed odd to go back to an A and B story. Especially since the B story was inserting some very light moments of Will in charge.

I also thought that the priest storyline was going to be a much bigger arc. Seems a bit odd to have started it so long ago (or so it seems) and then it ends rather quickly.

I agree that the Biggie/Kate scene near the end was lovely. Loved his reaction to having killed someone.


Will trying to run the Sanctuary was fun, though Helen still pretty much kept her autonomy in tracking down the keystone. The FBI agent seems rather suspicious (she has access to top secret data even Helen doesn't?) but I can see why Will seems a bit taken with her, she's almost exactly where he was before he joined the Sanctuary. I wonder if, now that he's the boss, he'll let her in on the Sanctuary secret.

Interesting that you and so many others are suspicious of Abby. I didn't get that vibe but, as I said, will have to view it again. I will say that I liked her character and would be fine if she becomes recurring and a love interest for Will. Found her interesting as opposed to Clara who was, to me, annoying.


The Helen and Druitt storyline felt rather by the numbers, though the character beats between them in that field and on top of that building in Hong Kong were quite nice, though Druitt seems a bit too in control considering how we last saw him.

Again, I agree that he seemed too much in control given the last two times we have seen him. Having said that, I do love CH as Druitt and he and AT are so wonderful together. I can overlook some inconsistencies in his behaviour just because I love seeing them in any scene together. Perhaps we can explain the inconsistencies as just John fighting against the abnormal inside of him. Sometimes he is winning the battle and sometimes not.


We finally get to see Hollow Earth next week and yay for Polly Walker! :D I just hope we don't have to wait too long for the 2nd half of the season.

Been looking forward to this since August! Can't believe it is finally here but I also can't believe we have been through 9 eps already. Thank goodness this is a 20 ep season!

Jacquelyn
December 11th, 2010, 08:41 AM
This eppy was pretty good :) I mean I didn't particularly agree with what happened with Druitt/Magnus. But other than that it was a great ep :P

Except...
Even though I'm not a Magnitt shipper I do sort of like that scene where they both fall in the hole and Magnus falls on Druitt :) But I'd RATHER SEE Teslen scenes than Magnitt scenes -_-

jasminaGo
December 11th, 2010, 09:22 AM
The highlight of the ep for me was definitely the continued search for the way to Hollow Earth. All the Helen/John scenes made the shipper in me very very happy. :D I like the fact that we don't know if John is really good or at what time the abnormal in him will take control and what will happen then.

The priest guy story was kinda rushed like few people already mentioned, and I hope we'll see more of it in the future. What I did like about it was CH and his amazing skill to portray so much emotion while buried under tons of make up. Even Kate was kinda tolerable.

Tesla was his usual self and as always entertaining. And I love Adam more with each episode.

Will... and the FBI girl I found just painful to watch, it reminded me way too much of the many teen movies out there with over the top awkward kids that don't know how to act around each other. *shudders*

LadyGalaxyJ
December 11th, 2010, 09:57 AM
Again, I agree that he seemed too much in control given the last two times we have seen him. Having said that, I do love CH as Druitt and he and AT are so wonderful together. I can overlook some inconsistencies in his behaviour just because I love seeing them in any scene together. Perhaps we can explain the inconsistencies as just John fighting against the abnormal inside of him. Sometimes he is winning the battle and sometimes not.
Thought something along those lines too. :)
I also think the creature inside of him will take control if it thinks Druitt's about to try and get it out - which probably happened after Haunted. That's why he tried different drugs. It was better for both of them not to have any control than to let it control. ;)

But now? He's too worried about Magnus to try anything. His inner demon is the last thing he thinks about. His attention is foccused on Helen. Knowing this, I think it is resting, 'cause it knows John won't try anything.

Just MHO. :)


Will... and the FBI girl I found just painful to watch, it reminded me way too much of the many teen movies out there with over the top awkward kids that don't know how to act around each other. *shudders*
I think I can agree - to a certain point. I'm telling myself it's Sanctuary, and if she were to come back, I'm hoping for better character developpement. But I guess we'll see. I personnally decided not to read much into it. ;)

jckfan55
December 11th, 2010, 10:17 AM
Another solid ep, imho. Of course my favorite parts, as always, involve Magnus andthe Five. Loved the Helen and John moments. I can really see that they were a couple. You could see Helen fighting back the desire to just sit and enjoy the sunset with John like old times.
AT & CH are wonderful together.

Nice moment at the end with Magnus and Will.

The other storyline was fine too. I don't really trust the FBI agent, though she seemed to show she was on Biggie's side at the end. I was just glad Will restrained himself from giving her the full tour.

MelissaAdams
December 11th, 2010, 10:42 AM
As I've said before I don't ship anyone officially with this show, I just like the show cause of the show overall as geeky as that sounds. LOL

It was a good episode overall, I put it in the same category this season as Animus but it's not one I'd watch more than once or twice. I don't normally say this about Sanctuary episodes but honestly it was a little too 'busy' with me, too many subplots within the subplots.

We have Helen dying
We have them searching for Hollow Earth
We have Will trying to take over for Helen and learning her job really sucks and is hard :D
We have the beetles missing
We have the nefarious person trying to kill abnormals
We now have the 'Five' of those around trying to find the real keystone
We have some FBI girl aka Abby showing up and making google eyes at Will...

Yes they all tied together over the series and they did an excellent job but to address it all in one episode just seemed too 'BUSY' to me!!! Pick one or two plots an episode folks please, it helps my mind. :)

But overall a GREAT episode as Sanctuary, it did not disappoint though this whole Helen sick thing though making for great television is driving me to distraction. I don't like to see my heroes hurt, at least those I really like and I really like her!!!! :-D

I wonder how long they'll have us wait between the mid season finale and the second half of the season?

JanSam
December 11th, 2010, 10:53 AM
snipped by me

I agree it seemed disjointed (and not just because of the fact I watched it in pieces). After the last two weeks of full on stories dealing with Hollow Earth it seemed odd to go back to an A and B story. Especially since the B story was inserting some very light moments of Will in charge.

I also thought that the priest storyline was going to be a much bigger arc. Seems a bit odd to have started it so long ago (or so it seems) and then it ends rather quickly.

Yes this but I didn't mind the light-hearted moment of Will in charge.



[/me enjoying snipping Eht's words again]

Interesting that you and so many others are suspicious of Abby. I didn't get that vibe but, as I said, will have to view it again. I will say that I liked her character and would be fine if she becomes recurring and a love interest for Will. Found her interesting as opposed to Clara who was, to me, annoying.


The other storyline was fine too. I don't really trust the FBI agent, though she seemed to show she was on Biggie's side at the end. I was just glad Will restrained himself from giving her the full tour.


I forgot to quote Jaminago..."Will... and the FBI girl I found just painful to watch, it reminded me way too much of the many teen movies out there with over the top awkward kids that don't know how to act around each other. *shudders* "

I was also suspicious and shuddered a bit with the "awkward kids" scenes but didn't find her annoying like Clara. I do see potential for furthering their relationship.



Again, I agree that he seemed too much in control given the last two times we have seen him. Having said that, I do love CH as Druitt and he and AT are so wonderful together. I can overlook some inconsistencies in his behaviour just because I love seeing them in any scene together. Perhaps we can explain the inconsistencies as just John fighting against the abnormal inside of him. Sometimes he is winning the battle and sometimes not.


Thought something along those lines too. :)
I also think the creature inside of him will take control if it thinks Druitt's about to try and get it out - which probably happened after Haunted. That's why he tried different drugs. It was better for both of them not to have any control than to let it control. ;)

But now? He's too worried about Magnus to try anything. His inner demon is the last thing he thinks about. His attention is foccused on Helen. Knowing this, I think it is resting, 'cause it knows John won't try anything.

Just MHO. :)



Another solid ep, imho. Of course my favorite parts, as always, involve Magnus andthe Five. Loved the Helen and John moments. I can really see that they were a couple. You could see Helen fighting back the desire to just sit and enjoy the sunset with John like old times.
AT & CH are wonderful together.

I too love the Magnus and The Five parts and especially Helen and John. I'm not known to be a shipper but I just love this relationship and how they are portraying it.

And I'll build on LadyGalaxy's thoughts. Could the drugs have weakened the creature enough so John could maintain some control. In addition to his love and concern for Helen helping him to maintain control atm? Helen is wary because she doesn't even know how long this will last. Yes, AT & CH are wonderful together and do an excellent job with their subtle portrayal of the complex relationship.

sanctuary girl
December 11th, 2010, 11:14 AM
Really good episode:D but it could as well have been a two part episode for me. There would have been enough plot and some scenes could have been a little more detailed ;)
I love Tesla and his childish behaviour. Great moment with Abby and her shirt.:) and with Will (Shoot your employee day)
I am normally no shipper and if, I tend to Helen/Nikola, but I really liked the Helen and John moments. The two are great together. Last episode as well. There is something between the two and AT and CH are doing a really good job in conveying that.
Big Guy hates Will or loves to pester him;) I liked the moments when he rubbed in that Will has no idea what it means to run the sanctuary.( "stayed off twitter")
I'm not sure if I like Wills friend. She seems nice though.

hedwig
December 11th, 2010, 11:18 AM
I wonder how long they'll have us wait between the mid season finale and the second half of the season?

I can't find the list of episodes that I saw recently, but after "Hollow Men", it showed reruns of a few episodes ("Firewall" among them), so maybe they'll show reruns for a month or so and then into the second half of the season. :)

jelgate
December 11th, 2010, 11:20 AM
I can't find the list of episodes that I saw recently, but after "Hollow Men", it showed reruns of a few episodes ("Firewall" among them), so maybe they'll show reruns for a month or so and then into the second half of the season. :)
Its more likely they will show a reruns for a few weeks and Sanctuary will go blank from SyFy until Sanctuary returs in either April or the summer.

jasminaGo
December 11th, 2010, 11:22 AM
I think I can agree - to a certain point. I'm telling myself it's Sanctuary, and if she were to come back, I'm hoping for better character developpement. But I guess we'll see. I personnally decided not to read much into it. ;)

I have a feeling she'll be back. But the biggest question now is, who the heck is she anyway? Will doesn't remember her and she has access to files even Helen can't get too. I doubt any of that is a coincidence.

Skydiver
December 11th, 2010, 11:42 AM
me neither. which is part of why i don't trust her

at best, she's a rogue agent either spying in stuff she shouldn't be, or she's a bad guy trying to work her way in....either way i think it'd be a good thing for will or helen to do a little background check on miss Abby

hedwig
December 11th, 2010, 11:43 AM
Its more likely they will show a reruns for a few weeks and Sanctuary will go blank from SyFy until Sanctuary returs in either April or the summer.

I would think summer is unlikely since they now have 20 episodes per year, and they are done filming all of them. They just have to put together the episodes, and while that does take quite awhile, I would think a few months is not unlikely. However, summer is. :)

Skydiver
December 11th, 2010, 11:49 AM
it'll probably be back in feb or march, ending by may

then the show will be on hiatus until sept or so

Steff
December 11th, 2010, 12:08 PM
I love the irony of Abby the fbi agent.....and abby for abnormal

coincidence? i think not ;)

I'm torn about her. I wonder if she'll be a good ally or something like fox mulder, trying to dig deeper into stuff and inadvertently hitting the mother lode

Love it. Abby the Abnormal. hehe

What exactly is she up to? I am leaning more toward her using her "abbynormal" force for evil as opposed to being an ally. She just seems to be trying to sway Will from checking her out on paper. Instead he is nerdily swayed by her abnormally stereotypic beauty. Oh Will, I am too stupid to understand anything.... please help me with your big male brain. *bats eyes*

Raw_Deal
December 11th, 2010, 12:22 PM
it'll probably be back in feb or march, ending by may

I really hope you're right... Don't think I can wait till summer...

Estrela
December 11th, 2010, 01:39 PM
So, just how did Abby get Biggie back to the Sanctuary?

kes
December 11th, 2010, 02:51 PM
With Will and Kate's help?

majorsal
December 11th, 2010, 02:57 PM
i wasn't in a very good mood last night when i saw this, so it might have colored my thoughts on the episode. we'll see...

after two eps in a row of such heavy helen screentime, this ep screeched to a halt for me. and it really hit home just how boring i find will (and kate and biggie too), when it focuses so much on him.

i found nothing wrong with this ep, other than i was bored most of the time. even some of the helen stuff was so so, b/c she was hooked up with john and i'm not *into* their ship. i'm not an anti shipper (the only ship i can think of that i'm actually anti is sam/pete), but i also don't get off on it. i enjoy the idea of helen/john more than i do actually seeing it (it's prob b/c i'm not sexually attracted to chris h).

i did feel :mckay: when at the end, with helen coming in to see will, she literally asked permission *to enter her own friggin office*!! i've never seen what's so spectacular about will for him to be second there...

i'm thinking my bad mood *did* effect my viewing opinion on this ep. :p (and i'm still not in the best of moods)

so anyways, an alright ep.

heck, if they just made the sanctuary series about *the 5*, i'd be a super happy camper. :p


~disclaimer: the opinions brought up in this post must be taken with a grain of salt. the person posting is rather hormonal and goes from the exorcist girl to mary poppins at the drop of a hat. :p and :mad:!

majorsal
December 11th, 2010, 03:04 PM
A bit of both? She was very sympathetic and kind to Biggie when she found him wounded. I think she's maybe a bit overly curious, but I was wondering about her motives, too, when she first showed up out of the blue like that. I'm just a bit surprised Will isn't more suspicious.

speaking of fbi chick...

did the phrase she said to biggie, when she kneeled at his body when she found him injured - wasn't that the same thing the nice priest said to biggie all those years ago? i'm not sure it was word-for-word, but i think it was very close.

Skydiver
December 11th, 2010, 03:43 PM
it was pretty close to word for word what fr jenson said to him

Father Jensen: Here, take my hand. Oh, my God. What are you? What have they done to you? My name is father Jensen. You're with me now.
They won't hurt you anymore, I promise you. I've heard of a place where all God's creatures are offered safety, a sanctuary.

hedwig
December 11th, 2010, 03:59 PM
it was pretty close to word for word what fr jenson said to him

Father Jensen: Here, take my hand. Oh, my God. What are you? What have they done to you? My name is father Jensen. You're with me now.
They won't hurt you anymore, I promise you. I've heard of a place where all God's creatures are offered safety, a sanctuary.

And what Abby said was something along the lines of the bolded bit. Probably more, but I don't recall it at the moment. :)

Skydiver
December 11th, 2010, 04:05 PM
Abby said

Oh, my God... shh... You're safe now. He can't hurt you. I promise. Shh...

so most of it

hedwig
December 11th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Abby said

Oh, my God... shh... You're safe now. He can't hurt you. I promise. Shh...

so most of it

Maybe "Father" Jensen had a daughter.

Skydiver
December 11th, 2010, 04:14 PM
she was certainly open minded and non-judgmental for a person seeing a bigfoot for the first time....especially a bigfoot that had just strangled a priest (she didn't know that fr clark was a serial killer, all she had to go on was that fr clark was dead, strangled, and biggie had been shot...unless of course, she didn't realize what biggie had done, and presumed that both men were victims)

mandogater
December 11th, 2010, 08:50 PM
A bit of both? She was very sympathetic and kind to Biggie when she found him wounded. I think she's maybe a bit overly curious, but I was wondering about her motives, too, when she first showed up out of the blue like that. I'm just a bit surprised Will isn't more suspicious.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if she's in any more episodes.

mandogater
December 11th, 2010, 08:52 PM
Well (spoilers for upcoming ep One Night) According to an interview I read with Robin Dunne, Will tries to go on a date with Abby in this episode and runs into complications. So would say yes on the new girlfriend, and I guess we'll find out if she's ends up causing trouble.

Sounds interesting!

meredithchandler73
December 11th, 2010, 09:24 PM
I just had a wacky thought: what if whatever Tesla did actually got rid of the energy bering in John and the reason he has stayed away was that Helen said she could never forgive him and couldn't forgive herself for not seeing that he was a murderer sooner. (In this scenario I'm imagining, only John knows the truth. He would have told Tesla it failed so he'd go away.) Perhaps John thought staying away was the best thing for everyone and he was doing drugs or whatever in Cambodia to dull the pain of being whole again but having lost Helen. Since John has come back to the Sanctuary, he just seems very much in control of himself. He is protective of Helen. I don't know - it's just an idea.

jelgate
December 11th, 2010, 09:37 PM
I would think summer is unlikely since they now have 20 episodes per year, and they are done filming all of them. They just have to put together the episodes, and while that does take quite awhile, I would think a few months is not unlikely. However, summer is. :)

I'm thinking more the SyFy end. It wouldn't be the first time they took more then a 3 month hiatsus. Added on they SyFy tends to divide thier programs into quarters if it doesn't return in April then it will probably be July. That said I would put more money on April. It doesn't seem them will have many projects ready for spring.

As for the episode its one of my favorites. Unlike sally I don't think this is the Helen(:P) show. I liked the development it brought for Will and the Big Guy. It seemed like Will has come a long way since the pilot. So I like seeing how deals with the stress of challenges of running a Sanctuary house. It was also interesting to see him take charge as they investigate the mystery in the Big Guy's friend murder.

Speaking of the Big Guy this episode really highlighted him showing his anger of losing his friend. The final scene was quite sad. I personally probably would have done what he had done if it was me but its still interesting to see how this tears him up inside.

The keystone search feels like just going through the motions to set up the mid season finale

EvenstarSRV
December 11th, 2010, 11:52 PM
I love the irony of Abby the fbi agent.....and abby for abnormal

coincidence? i think not ;)


LOL, I didn't even think of that connection!



I agree it seemed disjointed (and not just because of the fact I watched it in pieces). After the last two weeks of full on stories dealing with Hollow Earth it seemed odd to go back to an A and B story. Especially since the B story was inserting some very light moments of Will in charge.

Yeah, it seemed a bit like Eulogy in that respect to me, though not nearly as big a tonal difference between the A and B storylines.



I also thought that the priest storyline was going to be a much bigger arc. Seems a bit odd to have started it so long ago (or so it seems) and then it ends rather quickly.

I have a feeling the storyline will continue at bit more, but more in relation to Abby's involvement in the case. It would be a shame for it to have ended this quickly.



Interesting that you and so many others are suspicious of Abby. I didn't get that vibe but, as I said, will have to view it again. I will say that I liked her character and would be fine if she becomes recurring and a love interest for Will. Found her interesting as opposed to Clara who was, to me, annoying.

The main thing I found suspicious about Abby was how she got access to all that top secret data that Kate said even Magnus didn't have access to. And it seemed odd for Will not to remember her, I think as a profiler he'd be good at remembering people. It makes me wonder if she's targeting Will for some reason.

I do agree, I found her much more interesting and likable than Clara.



Again, I agree that he seemed too much in control given the last two times we have seen him. Having said that, I do love CH as Druitt and he and AT are so wonderful together. I can overlook some inconsistencies in his behaviour just because I love seeing them in any scene together. Perhaps we can explain the inconsistencies as just John fighting against the abnormal inside of him. Sometimes he is winning the battle and sometimes not.

I can see that, plus perhaps whatever Tesla did to Druitt may have subdued the creature for a while like what happened in the Five. Though I'm guessing with all the teleporting it may be slowing regaining its strength.



Been looking forward to this since August! Can't believe it is finally here but I also can't believe we have been through 9 eps already. Thank goodness this is a 20 ep season!

I know! I was just thinking today that in S1 or 2 we'd be almost done with the season, but now we're still have half of it left. :)



i did feel :mckay: when at the end, with helen coming in to see will, she literally asked permission *to enter her own friggin office*!! i've never seen what's so spectacular about will for him to be second there...

Well, he was in his own office in that last scene (as well as the earlier scene with the files with Bigfoot), so I can see Helen asking permission in that case.

MidwifeOnBoard
December 12th, 2010, 09:19 AM
Okay, I watched this episode last night after a marathon 36 hours in the labor room and barely remember anything other than Helen and John zorting around and a rather unsatisfying B-story. I thought that Father Clark thing was rather anticlimactic, and I really felt like it was only the means to the end of getting Will a love interest, which I thought was just too bad, as it had some really great potential. I'm going to watch it again today to get a better hold on the main storyline.

Off to read everyone else's opinions. :)

MidwifeOnBoard
December 12th, 2010, 09:49 AM
So Henry has a girlfriend now (the girl lycen from "Animus"). And it looks like Will just might have a girlfriend.

What I want to know is when is Biggie going to find a girlfriend, and when is Kate going to find a boyfriend?

And, also, since when has the Sanctuary started giving tours to people they've just met, just because they ask for a tour? Or, at least, suggested a tour at some later point in time? :)

Hee! :lol: So with you on every word. :)



If John Druitt had become fluent in French - what if Helen and John had a conversation in French in order for others listening not to understand them? I just like picturing the two of them speaking French to one another.



Helen and John (and the rest of the Five, as well) would have been fluent, or at least highly conversant in French. Until only very recently, French was the language of Science and Diplomacy and you weren't considered to be a person of any education during Victorian and earlier times if you didn't speak French. Even my dad (who is about to turn 72) was required to have 3 years of university-level French as a Biology major. Poor guy, who has no facility for languages at all. ;)


I can't find the list of episodes that I saw recently, but after "Hollow Men", it showed reruns of a few episodes ("Firewall" among them), so maybe they'll show reruns for a month or so and then into the second half of the season. :)
+

I'm thinking more the SyFy end. It wouldn't be the first time they took more then a 3 month hiatsus. Added on they SyFy tends to divide thier programs into quarters if it doesn't return in April then it will probably be July. That said I would put more money on April. It doesn't seem them will have many projects ready for spring.

= Yup. I wouldn't put it past syfy to make us wait and wait and wait. Not that I'm still bitter over BSG or anything. :P


speaking of fbi chick...

did the phrase she said to biggie, when she kneeled at his body when she found him injured - wasn't that the same thing the nice priest said to biggie all those years ago? i'm not sure it was word-for-word, but i think it was very close.

That was the impression I got as well.

hedwig
December 12th, 2010, 09:58 AM
If John Druitt had become fluent in French - what if Helen and John had a conversation in French in order for others listening not to understand them? I just like picturing the two of them speaking French to one another. Sexy, no?[/I]


Helen and John (and the rest of the Five, as well) would have been fluent, or at least highly conversant in French.

Helen does seem to be pretty fluent in other languages. There was a phrase she used in another language at the lecture she was giving in the episode where Tesla first showed up. It seems to me she's spoken in another language or two in other episodes, as well. And when Will asked her how to say a phrase in (whatever language it was) the last episode, it pretty much rolled off her tongue in that language as though she'd been speaking it her whole life (and Will called her a show off for knowing it:)). It would be interesting to find out just how many languages Helen does know.

Skydiver
December 12th, 2010, 10:06 AM
well, french, cambodian, norwegian, Ethopian, Queens English, regular English ;)

sanctuary girl
December 12th, 2010, 10:22 AM
and Zulu (Haunted) and Japanese (Kali 1)

jckfan55
December 12th, 2010, 10:28 AM
well, french, cambodian, norwegian, Ethopian, Queens English, regular English ;)

don't forget Latin. ;) I think she'd have to have learned that in med school. She may have also had to study Greek at Oxford too.

I can definitely see Helen learning the basics of the languages in her Sanctuary areas as good form if nothing else.

Skydiver
December 12th, 2010, 10:31 AM
and we learned the location of a new sanctuary, Grozny

hedwig
December 12th, 2010, 10:34 AM
and we learned the location of a new sanctuary, Grozny

That's what he said. I didn't understand it. (*I guess I need to clean my ears out more often ... or turn up my hearing aid:p:D*)

hedwig
December 12th, 2010, 10:54 AM
Somewhat off topic, but sort of not (regarding Hollow Earth):

OT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

I chortled when I saw this small paragraph in the link:


Visual evidence
The deepest hole drilled to date is the SG-3 borehole which is 12.3 km (7.6 miles)[9] deep, part of the Soviet Kola Superdeep Borehole project; thus, visual knowledge of the Earth's structure extends that far.

EH-T
December 12th, 2010, 11:42 AM
Will... and the FBI girl I found just painful to watch, it reminded me way too much of the many teen movies out there with over the top awkward kids that don't know how to act around each other. *shudders*

Now i have seen the whole ep I agree with this comment in relation to their initial exchange. I think it did get better later in the episode so i hope it will be more mature in the future.



Nice moment at the end with Magnus and Will.



I agree. This was a nice moment.


I have a feeling she'll be back. But the biggest question now is, who the heck is she anyway? Will doesn't remember her and she has access to files even Helen can't get too. I doubt any of that is a coincidence.


me neither. which is part of why i don't trust her

at best, she's a rogue agent either spying in stuff she shouldn't be, or she's a bad guy trying to work her way in....either way i think it'd be a good thing for will or helen to do a little background check on miss Abby

Again, having seen the whole ep, I see why many find her suspicious.




i did feel :mckay: when at the end, with helen coming in to see will, she literally asked permission *to enter her own friggin office*!! i've never seen what's so spectacular about will for him to be second there...



As was mentioned, the office was Will's. I think it is very telling that even though he was in charge Will didn't use Helen's office.

Skydiver
December 12th, 2010, 11:47 AM
just like Sam wouldn't set in Landry's chair :)

in many ways, Will was in charge simply to allow her to devote her time to finding a cure without all the paperwork :)

prsweety
December 12th, 2010, 01:57 PM
Has anyone noticed that in the last 4 episodes, i believe they mention Ashley each time....even in the trailer for this coming week, Adam again mentions the loss of a child....Could Ashley be returning? Could she be in Hollow earth? :)

O.k. A fan can dream can't she? :)

hedwig
December 12th, 2010, 01:58 PM
Has anyone noticed that in the last 4 episodes, i believe they mention Ashley each time....even in the trailer for this coming week, Adam again mentions the loss of a child....Could Ashley be returning? Could she be in Hollow earth? :)

O.k. A fan can dream can't she? :)

Unlikely. But it would be nice if she was.

kes
December 12th, 2010, 02:59 PM
Has anyone noticed that in the last 4 episodes, i believe they mention Ashley each time....even in the trailer for this coming week, Adam again mentions the loss of a child....Could Ashley be returning? Could she be in Hollow earth? :)

O.k. A fan can dream can't she? :)

I was thinking about that too. They have mentioned her more this past eps then last season.
Although I believe this story would be the perfect oportunity to bring her back and make sense I just dont think its going to happen.

Steff
December 12th, 2010, 03:05 PM
Has anyone noticed that in the last 4 episodes, i believe they mention Ashley each time....even in the trailer for this coming week, Adam again mentions the loss of a child....Could Ashley be returning? Could she be in Hollow earth? :)

O.k. A fan can dream can't she? :)

That would be wonderful but I think that he was just being sadistic. He knew what words would hurt her the most and also justify to himself his cruelity.

majorsal
December 12th, 2010, 03:09 PM
Well, he was in his own office in that last scene (as well as the earlier scene with the files with Bigfoot), so I can see Helen asking permission in that case.

oh :p

i thought he was in helen's office...

never mind my rant. :p

Skydiver
December 12th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Helen is annoyed at Will for going with tesla's plans...but there's no real animosity or anger. And i think, deep down, she recognizes he didn't do it to usurp her but out of concern...and she'd do exactly the same if it were Will dying.

hedwig
December 12th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Has anyone noticed that in the last 4 episodes, i believe they mention Ashley each time....even in the trailer for this coming week, Adam again mentions the loss of a child....Could Ashley be returning? Could she be in Hollow earth? :)

O.k. A fan can dream can't she? :)

Maybe Helen is hoping that since Gregory is supposed to be in Hollow Earth, there's a remote possibility that Ashley is too. I think maybe she hasn't given up completely on finding Ashley alive somewhere.

MidwifeOnBoard
December 12th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Just rewatched. My "like" bullet points. :)

Dude, you broke it!

Bring me back some Mongolian wine. On second thought, don't.

John wearing flip-flops?!?!

"How does Magnus do this every day?" "Stayed off Twitter."

Tesla egging will on with Abby

"John. Take me to London."

Thought them stealing the keystone was a bit too easy

Kate/Biggie moment. "Father Jenson. He would." :(

And next week:
Polly Walker FTW! :D

suse
December 12th, 2010, 07:30 PM
A bit of both? She was very sympathetic and kind to Biggie when she found him wounded. I think she's maybe a bit overly curious, but I was wondering about her motives, too, when she first showed up out of the blue like that. I'm just a bit surprised Will isn't more suspicious.

Didn't she say almost the exact words F. Jensen said to Biggie when *he* found Biggie shot?

Skydiver
December 12th, 2010, 07:31 PM
pretty close

Father Jensen:
Here, take my hand. Oh, my God. What are you? What have they done to you? My name is father Jensen. You're with me now. They won't hurt you anymore, I promise you. I've heard of a place where all God's creatures are offered safety, a sanctuary.

Abby said


Oh, my God... shh... You're safe now. He can't hurt you. I promise. Shh...

LadyGalaxyJ
December 12th, 2010, 07:44 PM
Has anyone noticed that in the last 4 episodes, i believe they mention Ashley each time....even in the trailer for this coming week, Adam again mentions the loss of a child....Could Ashley be returning? Could she be in Hollow earth? :)

O.k. A fan can dream can't she? :)
My opinion?

They're just doing what they should have done in season 2. Helen lost her child - and they barely mention it again after Eulogy. One time in Pavor, one in Next Tuesday but that's it (IIRC, of course). I understand why they had to move on from Ashley pretty fast in terms of the show, but on Helen's part, I thought she moved on way too fast in season 2. Season 3 keeps referencing Ashley, and that's just good. She was a big part of Magnus' life and she's dead. Personally, I don't want her to be another one of those sci-fi deaths. I just like that they started talking about her and using her character even if she's not there.

MidwifeOnBoard
December 12th, 2010, 07:54 PM
My opinion?

They're just doing what they should have done in season 2. Helen lost her child - and they barely mention it again after Eulogy. One time in Pavor, one in Next Tuesday but that's it (IIRC, of course). I understand why they had to move on from Ashley pretty fast in terms of the show, but on Helen's part, I thought she moved on way too fast in season 2. Season 3 keeps referencing Ashley, and that's just good. She was a big part of Magnus' life and she's dead. Personally, I don't wait her to be another one of those sci-fi deaths. I just like that they started talking about her and using her character even if she's no there.

Amen.

Chelle DB
December 12th, 2010, 08:00 PM
well, french, cambodian, norwegian, Ethopian, Queens English, regular English ;)

and Zulu (Haunted) and Japanese (Kali 1)

don't forget Latin. ;) I think she'd have to have learned that in med school. She may have also had to study Greek at Oxford too.
And American - as in from the Bronx or something like that - re Bank Job! ;)

Has anyone noticed that in the last 4 episodes, i believe they mention Ashley each time....even in the trailer for this coming week, Adam again mentions the loss of a child....Could Ashley be returning? Could she be in Hollow earth? :)
O.k. A fan can dream can't she? :)
My theory on why Adam keeps referring to Ashley or rather the loss of a child is more to do with no longer wanting to live or to lose the will to live...that having lost a child, one needs to find a purpose to live as the loss takes that away from you....now Helen needs to live to find the cure even though it will mean her survival because perhaps she really doesn't want to end her life at all. I get the impression that while Helen has been seeking for a cure to her longevity for so long, now that she's actually dying, I don't think she wants to actually die....does that make sense?

I loved this episode. Kinda getting old eh? Loving the newest episode?? Can't help it I'm afraid! :P
So, favourite bits -
Will: How does Magnus do this everyday?
Biggie: Stayed off twitter!

Loved when John & Helen ell into the pit - loved the laughter - almost more an Amanad/Chris laugh than helen/John...but I loved that they actually laughed together and I love how well they work/play togethr.:)

Loved Kate...whats not to love about Kate!
"I've had better showers in juvi"

Tesla...omg that man...he has magnetism in abundance! :P:P
Loved him waving his magic magnetic fingers around and popping the buttons on Abby's shirt!

Helen & John - awwwwwwwwwww!
I loved when John said "Come sit with me a moment"
the two of them watching the sunset, Helen still guarding her heart though that guard looks to be falling.
Helen: "John, take me to London"
It wasn't just what she said but the way she said it that was so....*big sigh*
Big heart wrenching moment - Biggie and Kate in the infirmary - Biggie crying??? Noooo! That was just....sad!!
Oh and then Helen shaking at the end - I wonder how far her illness will go...to deaths door perhaps??? I guess time will tell.
I still think Tesla did the right thing with the charter and putting Will in charge - at least until Helen is well again. No way would she take care of herself if she was still running the Sanctuary. I really do love how this arc is playing out.
Can't wait for the next ep. :)

MidwifeOnBoard
December 12th, 2010, 08:02 PM
And American - as in from the Bronx or something like that - re Bank Job! ;)



Chicago. Definitely not an NYC dialect. ;)

dee
December 13th, 2010, 12:42 AM
didnt Tesla do somthing to John, if I understood part 1

Chelle DB
December 13th, 2010, 01:23 AM
Oh I forgot to add...the FBI chick...not sure about her just yet...I reckon she could go either way...she seems nice but she's almost like Pete - stalker-ish...I dunno...juries out for me on her. :)

Skydiver
December 13th, 2010, 03:49 AM
yes, john went to tesla, asking that tesla use his magneto powers to try and purge the 'on board energy elemental'. Tesla reports that it didn't work. He also said the reason he didn't tell helen or refuse to help....he's distressingly mortal now and didn't feel like ticking off the 'stone cold killer'

ddc
December 13th, 2010, 06:20 AM
My theory on why Adam keeps referring to Ashley or rather the loss of a child is more to do with no longer wanting to live or to lose the will to live...that having lost a child, one needs to find a purpose to live as the loss takes that away from you....now Helen needs to live to find the cure even though it will mean her survival because perhaps she really doesn't want to end her life at all. I get the impression that while Helen has been seeking for a cure to her longevity for so long, now that she's actually dying, I don't think she wants to actually die....does that make sense?

On the bolded - wanting a "cure" for her longevity is one thing; she wants to neutralize whatever has slowed her aging to a crawl, allowing her to grow "old" and die naturally. Dying from deliberate radiation poisoning is a different matter. She's not ready to go and certainly not this way.

As to Helen's language abilities. Maybe that's part of her gift, to be able to pick up languages easily? It would be appropriate for someone who's basically immortal, allowing her to live anywhere.

Spimman
December 13th, 2010, 06:26 AM
This episode did quite a bit of setting up for next week, which is cool. I enjoyed the John and Helen moments and most of that plot line. Will being in charge and being totally stressed out and overwhelmed was interesting, but the FBI girl Abby seemed really forced and didn't flow well. Why did she show up, Will didn't remember her but welcomed her in, she had access to high level stuff but wasn't high ranking and she sort of hit on him the whole time? Her involvement in this episode seemed really weird and didn't make much sense to me. Tesla was funny as usual and I felt sorry for the big guy!

Next week should be exciting (or this week :o)

kes
December 13th, 2010, 07:05 AM
On the bolded - wanting a "cure" for her longevity is one thing; she wants to neutralize whatever has slowed her aging to a crawl, allowing her to grow "old" and die naturally. Dying from deliberate radiation poisoning is a different matter. She's not ready to go and certainly not this way.
Exactly.


As to Helen's language abilities. Maybe that's part of her gift, to be able to pick up languages easily? It would be appropriate for someone who's basically immortal, allowing her to live anywhere.

She doesnt need an ability to learn a few or quite a few languages. Nobody does. She knows a few because she's 159 or 160 years old. And as traveled a lot. Also deals with ppl from other countries all the time. She doesnt look lazy enough to stick with english while everyone around her must learn english to speak to her.

suse
December 13th, 2010, 07:14 AM
This episode did quite a bit of setting up for next week, which is cool. I enjoyed the John and Helen moments and most of that plot line. Will being in charge and being totally stressed out and overwhelmed was interesting, but the FBI girl Abby seemed really forced and didn't flow well. Why did she show up, Will didn't remember her but welcomed her in, she had access to high level stuff but wasn't high ranking and she sort of hit on him the whole time? Her involvement in this episode seemed really weird and didn't make much sense to me. Tesla was funny as usual and I felt sorry for the big guy!

Next week should be exciting (or this week :o)

This. Will notices details. Why would he not remember a pretty girl partnering with him, any of the stuff they were working on... :lol: Unless her looks have changed drastically. Makes me suspicious. She did come thru at the end with Biggie though. I was thinking she was the killer for a bit. She just made no sense there til they realized the abnormal connection.

And poor Biggie. He can be violent, but he doesn't kill out unless necessary. And this was revenge, not necessary. :S Even though he had 3 gunshots (didn't he bleed an awful lot for having that tough layer to protect him? What were they, armorpiercing bullets? This is the second time I've seen blood well out that quickly. Just gushing. Though I've never seen a a real gunshot in that area so have no idea if that's normal) what really got him up again what Fr. Clark threatening to "go after your boss next". :eek: And he kept going even after 2 more gunshots! I can see feeling guilty because he killed the guy even after he was neutralized, especially if he knew his friend wouldn't approve. <<hugs Big Guy>>

Olwen
December 13th, 2010, 08:53 AM
Absolutely loved Tesla in this ep. Every expression & every gesture of his hand :))))) Yeah, I'm a big great Tesla fan!!! :)))) He's amazing! Even when he's somewhere in the background, I can't help looking at him only :)

About the Big Guy - I think he was influenced by the infection from a beetle bite, just like Henry was when he attacked Kate. So he killed Fr. Clark not because he wanted to kill him, but because he was infected - and that's a different thing. So he's feeling guilty of what he as basically forced to do - making him actually much more human than the maniac Fr. Clark.

jckfan55
December 13th, 2010, 09:18 AM
My opinion?

They're just doing what they should have done in season 2. Helen lost her child - and they barely mention it again after Eulogy. One time in Pavor, one in Next Tuesday but that's it (IIRC, of course). I understand why they had to move on from Ashley pretty fast in terms of the show, but on Helen's part, I thought she moved on way too fast in season 2. Season 3 keeps referencing Ashley, and that's just good. She was a big part of Magnus' life and she's dead. Personally, I don't want her to be another one of those sci-fi deaths. I just like that they started talking about her and using her character even if she's not there.

Exactly. Magnus has to be thinking about her. Cancer beat my dad a few years ago and I think about him a lot. "Oh, Dad would have liked this" "This is something I'd ask dad about" etc. Helen doesn't exactly wear her heart on her sleeve, but that doesn't mean she isn't feeling things. Ashley's been gone long enough that I don't know how they'd bring her back w/out a cliche. But I would love to have some flashbacks with Helen and Ashley.



I get the impression that while Helen has been seeking for a cure to her longevity for so long, now that she's actually dying, I don't think she wants to actually die....does that make sense?
yes.



Loved when John & Helen ell into the pit - loved the laughter - almost more an Amanad/Chris laugh than helen/John...but I loved that they actually laughed together and I love how well they work/play togethr.:)
Great moment. it was like a moment of John and Helen before he turned JTR.



Helen: "John, take me to London"
It wasn't just what she said but the way she said it that was so....*big sigh*

Yes. it was about the case, but also practically like a dying request I thought.


On the bolded - wanting a "cure" for her longevity is one thing; she wants to neutralize whatever has slowed her aging to a crawl, allowing her to grow "old" and die naturally. Dying from deliberate radiation poisoning is a different matter. She's not ready to go and certainly not this way.
My thoughts too.

Jonzey
December 14th, 2010, 01:28 PM
Yes, I am suspicious of the FBI girl. I think she knows far more than she lets on. I mean, from her point of view, at the end, she saw a priest running from a building, followed by a massive, hairy creature. She follows them, hears gunshots and finds the priest dead and the creature full of bullet holes... Why would she, with no knowledge of abnormals, assume that he was the good guy and the priest was bad? Unless I missed something...

Edit: But she was smokin' hot. Hope she's not evil.

Edit edit: If I were Will, I would have remembered her. That also strikes me as odd.

Matt G
December 14th, 2010, 03:23 PM
1. Will running the Sancturary, didn't do too badly.

2. Helen and John running around - did very nicely and yes, even I could see a bit of spark there.

3. Tesla fixing up Will a decent red wine - some actual respect there?

4. Abby hmmmm...think she's genuine but am not 100% convinced. Will 'should' have remembered her.

5. Clark...ouch but he was a scumbag! I've seen "good guys" do worse!

Galileo_Galilee
December 14th, 2010, 03:42 PM
So they brought this female FBI agent out of nowhere?

I can only hope she's on the up and up.

But I don't think so.

And I wonder when Bigguy's gonna spill the beans on how she stayed by his side.

hedwig
December 14th, 2010, 04:03 PM
So they brought this female FBI agent out of nowhere?

I can only hope she's on the up and up.

But I don't think so.

And I wonder when Bigguy's gonna spill the beans on how she stayed by his side.

I'm pretty sure Will, Kate, etc. know that Abby was by Biggie's side, so there's no need for him to tell anyone she was.:) She must have been the one to get them to come and take him back to the Sanctuary. And since she was there with Will at the end of the episode, I'm pretty sure they must have at least talked a little bit about the Sanctuary, even if she didn't tell him anything more about herself.

I've also been thinking about Father Clark, and have decided he wasn't working alone. Too much money had to have been involved in all the stuff that happened, and I don't think it was all his. Too many deaths happened, and the bugs being stolen, and other stuff happening for one guy to be responsible for all of it. Somebody else is the "puppet master" Will referred to, and Father Clark is/was one of the puppets? Another Cabal? Or another similar organization bent on getting rid of abnormals?

suse
December 14th, 2010, 07:01 PM
I'm pretty sure Will, Kate, etc. know that Abby was by Biggie's side, so there's no need for him to tell anyone she was.:) She must have been the one to get them to come and take him back to the Sanctuary. And since she was there with Will at the end of the episode, I'm pretty sure they must have at least talked a little bit about the Sanctuary, even if she didn't tell him anything more about herself.

I've also been thinking about Father Clark, and have decided he wasn't working alone. Too much money had to have been involved in all the stuff that happened, and I don't think it was all his. Too many deaths happened, and the bugs being stolen, and other stuff happening for one guy to be responsible for all of it. Somebody else is the "puppet master" Will referred to, and Father Clark is/was one of the puppets? Another Cabal? Or another similar organization bent on getting rid of abnormals?


Agreed. I don't think one man could do all that. Nice false trail though.

mandogater
December 14th, 2010, 10:30 PM
Agreed. I don't think one man could do all that. Nice false trail though.

Just another mystery to keep us wondering until they show the back half of the season.

hedwig
December 14th, 2010, 10:34 PM
I stole this from the the Amanda Tapping/Sam Carter thread:



Sanctuary renewed for a 4th season!!! :D



Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/show-patrol/2010/12/exclusive-sanctuary-gets-4th-season-on-syfy.html#ixzz189iyXtsv

AresLover452
December 14th, 2010, 11:51 PM
AWESOME!!

Thanks for that hedwig!

meredithchandler73
December 15th, 2010, 05:15 AM
Yes, I am suspicious of the FBI girl. I think she knows far more than she lets on. I mean, from her point of view, at the end, she saw a priest running from a building, followed by a massive, hairy creature. She follows them, hears gunshots and finds the priest dead and the creature full of bullet holes... Why would she, with no knowledge of abnormals, assume that he was the good guy and the priest was bad? Unless I missed something...

As I recall, Abby ran to the priest and noticed the gun near him as she leaned down to see him dead. Then she saw Biggie. Why does a priest carry a gun?!?! I don't think that part was too unbelievable. But I still have my niggling doubts about Abby - just because Will has *no* recollection of her and the amazing coincidence that she would come across super-secret info that even the Sanctuary hasn't seen.

majorsal
December 16th, 2010, 02:38 PM
i rewatched this ep yesterday, with mega fastforwarding to just the helen parts. while this is not one of my faves of the season, it's mostly b/c i came off two awesome helen centric eps in a row, so this one was a bit harder to take.

but just judging the helen parts, it was nice.

*nothing* against the other characters, though! :p

suse
December 16th, 2010, 02:50 PM
As I recall, Abby ran to the priest and noticed the gun near him as she leaned down to see him dead. Then she saw Biggie. Why does a priest carry a gun?!?! I don't think that part was too unbelievable. But I still have my niggling doubts about Abby - just because Will has *no* recollection of her and the amazing coincidence that she would come across super-secret info that even the Sanctuary hasn't seen.

He was an obviously a nutjob/serial killer. (:lol: While not mutually exclusive, you definitely need to have a few screws loose *somewhere* for that type of killing.)So him having the gun was perfectly appropriate.

Yeah, I'm ubersuspicious of Abby.

meredithchandler73
December 17th, 2010, 02:54 PM
He was an obviously a nutjob/serial killer. (:lol: While not mutually exclusive, you definitely need to have a few screws loose *somewhere* for that type of killing.)So him having the gun was perfectly appropriate.

Yeah, I'm ubersuspicious of Abby.

Someone else posted that they didn't get how Abby knew the priest was bad and Biggie was good. I replied that Abby noticed the gun near the dead priest, so it didn't seem too strange for her to figure out the priest shot Biggie. And since priests don't usually care firearms, it would be logical for her to figure out he was a bad guy.

little.misfortune
April 8th, 2011, 05:52 AM
Great ep. I loved Tesla in this one! Squee! :D

Elorendil
July 26th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Great ep! I love the part where Helen and John fall into the cave and sit there laughing for a second. It was a nice touch and little glimpse into their happier past together. The only thing that could have made that scene better would have been a little kiss. ;)

BigBear
July 27th, 2011, 04:44 AM
Absolutely loved Tesla in this ep. Every expression & every gesture of his hand :))))) Yeah, I'm a big great Tesla fan!!! :)))) He's amazing! Even when he's somewhere in the background, I can't help looking at him only :)


Fully agree with you. He is absolutely gorgeous!