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October 25th, 2010, 03:07 PM
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Pharaoh Atem
November 30th, 2010, 06:58 PM
the ori said never stray from the path or you will be destroyed guess rush didn't read those mission files.

destiny's in rough shape

Resurgence
November 30th, 2010, 06:58 PM
From a long time lurker whose watched every single episode of SG1 Atlantis and SGU, I gotta say, this one is the best.... as long as the next episode can live up to 75% of the epic ness of this one!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 30th, 2010, 06:59 PM
Best SGU Episode ever. Did give us questions to asked: what happened to the seed ship? What did Chloe do?

morbosfist
November 30th, 2010, 07:00 PM
And now we wait forever to see how everyone manages to not die. Ten bucks says Chloe saved them.

More specifically, excellent. Guess "Visitation" was a breather for this. Surprise return, evil robot ships, crazy alien Chloe with knockout action, and Rush trying to give a pep talk. What more could you want?

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:00 PM
best episode ever!!!!! Like robot Chloe, and Telford's return

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:00 PM
Wow!!! What a badass ep. The back half of this season is going to be exciting and entertaining.

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:01 PM
I volunteer to start the countdown thread

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 30th, 2010, 07:03 PM
Well I got a feeling Telford will be staying on the destiny for good. I really hope if SGU gets renewed they can update LDP from recurring to Regular. Make it a regular 9 Cast member show.

Pharaoh Atem
November 30th, 2010, 07:04 PM
I volunteer to start the countdown thread

but there's no date to countdown to ii think

Briangate78
November 30th, 2010, 07:04 PM
What an excellent episode. The first half was a little slow, but the 2nd half made up for it. What a surprise meeting up with Telford, but I had a feeling we would see that ship again. Now Chloe seems to be getting worse and worse, should be interesting what happens to her character.

I loved the little pep talk Rush gave Eli, at first it seemed heartless but it was really sincere in a Rush kind of way, lol.

So, a very strong cliffhanger, should be interesting how they get out of this mess. Really would stink if the show is cancelled after it has raised the bar. oh well.

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 07:04 PM
I volunteer to start the countdown thread

Usually countdown threads need some kind of endgame of when the season returns. We can't count to infinity;)

themeatcleaver
November 30th, 2010, 07:05 PM
i... i dont even know where to start!

Telford's back!
Awesomeness watching the bridge lower for battle and then drop down more screens
Finally a badass enemy!
wtf Chloe?
Varro is finally trustworthy!
Shuttle is perdy now that its new! I'm warming up to it, hated it before!
Yay for a third suit!
Rush pep talk was.. different.

Frigging awesome. This better cement a third season, go ratings go!

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 07:05 PM
What an excellent episode. The first half was a little slow, but the 2nd half made up for it. What a surprise meeting up with Telford, but I had a feeling we would see that ship again. Now Chloe seems to be getting worse and worse, should be interesting what happens to her character.

I loved the little pep talk Rush gave Eli, at first it seemed heartless but it was really sincere in a Rush kind of way, lol.

So, a very strong cliffhanger, should be interesting how they get out of this mess. Really would stink if the show is cancelled after it has raised the bar. oh well.
which is still heartless

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:05 PM
How will Chloe save the day??? Are the Ursini's friendly or not? Telford is back. Awesome!! Who is better at talking to Eli about revenge than Rush. Will the seed ship get destroyed?

Briangate78
November 30th, 2010, 07:07 PM
which is still heartless

Not really, someone needed to put Eli in check. Because a mistake could cost their lives. He did end it with a compliment.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 30th, 2010, 07:08 PM
How will Chloe save the day??? Are the Ursini's friendly or not? Telford is back. Awesome!! Who is better at talking to Eli about revenge than Rush. Will the seed ship get destroyed?

Well The Ursini are no Asgards. But they are willingly to help if the destiny team help them.

major davis
November 30th, 2010, 07:08 PM
Well im glad you guys liked it lol.

I think SGU really suffers with getting the episodes off the ground.. once they're off the ground its amazing.. but the first 10 minutes of this ep were kinda awful. :S

giving it grace... 8/10

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:09 PM
What an excellent episode. The first half was a little slow, but the 2nd half made up for it. What a surprise meeting up with Telford, but I had a feeling we would see that ship again. Now Chloe seems to be getting worse and worse, should be interesting what happens to her character.

I loved the little pep talk Rush gave Eli, at first it seemed heartless but it was really sincere in a Rush kind of way, lol.

So, a very strong cliffhanger, should be interesting how they get out of this mess. Really would stink if the show is cancelled after it has raised the bar. oh well.

You don't really think the show could be cancelled after this episode?

Briangate78
November 30th, 2010, 07:09 PM
Well im glad you guys liked it lol.

I think SGU really suffers with getting the episodes off the ground.. once they're off the ground its amazing.. but the first 10 minutes of this ep were kinda awful. :S

giving it grace... 8/10

I gave it a 9/10, not a 10/10 because of the beginning.

Pharaoh Atem
November 30th, 2010, 07:09 PM
You don't really think the show could be cancelled after this episode?

depends on the ratings.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 30th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Well im glad you guys liked it lol.

I think SGU really suffers with getting the episodes off the ground.. once they're off the ground its amazing.. but the first 10 minutes of this ep were kinda awful. :S

giving it grace... 8/10

What do you expect them to do then? Let me ask you this could you do any better?

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Countdown to the Premiere 2.5!
(http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?78406-Countown-to-the-Premiere-2.5%21)

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Not really, someone needed to put Eli in check. Because a mistake could cost their lives. He did end it with a compliment.

I still find it a little heartless with Rush saying he and Eli are better then other people. What made him judge and jury?

Greenfire32
November 30th, 2010, 07:11 PM
depends on the ratings.

Unfortunately.

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:12 PM
I think the writers are still letting the viewers see the bridge and it's awesomeness while setting up the Eli emotional sequences for the reason the ep started the way it did.

themeatcleaver
November 30th, 2010, 07:12 PM
I think the writers are still letting the viewers see the bridge and it's awesomeness while setting up the Eli emotional sequences.

And they brought back the Apple Core too!

hedwig
November 30th, 2010, 07:15 PM
I chortled loudly to myself when Telford showed up with the seeder ship and saved Destiny. Last week when the previews to this episode were being shown, and the battle scene was on, I thought to myself "Telford is going to show up and save the day with the little brown aliens". Who would have thought I'd be right for once??? :D:D:D

Pharaoh Atem
November 30th, 2010, 07:16 PM
And they brought back the Apple Core too!

in a dark cerppy lighting way i loved it

major davis
November 30th, 2010, 07:17 PM
I gave it a 9/10, not a 10/10 because of the beginning.

I swear... Im gonna make a writers disease called SGUatitus......

adjective:

1) A story, be a TV show, movie, or book, where the beginning always lags and the ending always kicks FREAKING BUTT! :P

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:17 PM
Unfortunately.

That would really stink. What a huge disappointment that would be. I was one of those fans who got po'd a NBC for cancelling the show "Surface". At least it continued to the end of the season.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:19 PM
This episode was awesome in every sense of the word. We now know the timeframe: it's been about 10 months since they boarded Destiny. We have Telford back (I called it :D). We now can maybe dial Earth (it's around that time to open that can of worms, but it wouldn't surprise me if they make us wait until S3 to dial back). I was hopping up and down in my seat as I saw the seed ship drop out I was like OMGyeah*10 :thoranime09:. They finally wrapped up Eli's grief (I had forgotten that it was the way of Stargate to wrap up the events of a previous episode 2 or 3 episodes later), and Rush had a "blackhole" :lol: to heart chat with Eli that was pretty decent. I love how the bridge folded in like that and the screens popped up "OMG we haz moar monitorz!!! ... Ahem." that was funny.

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:19 PM
I chortled loudly to myself when Telford showed up with the seeder ship and saved Destiny. Last week when the previews to this episode were being shown, and the battle scene was on, I thought to myself "Telford is going to show up and save the day with the little brown aliens". Who would have thought I'd be right for once??? :D:D:D

I didn't guess that Telford would show up but I did fist pump and shouted YEA!!!!

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:21 PM
That would really stink. What a huge disappointment that would be. I was one of those fans who got po'd a NBC for cancelling the show "Surface". At least it continued to the end of the season.

I liked "Surface" to, they also made me very angry when "Heroes" got cancelled and then denied them a movie to finish the story.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:21 PM
in a dark cerppy lighting way i loved it

As did I. It was so cool. And with yet another way to unlock the Destiny's doors when they are sealed. Chloe was so hard core when she did that.

Pharaoh Atem
November 30th, 2010, 07:22 PM
As did I. It was so cool. And with yet another way to unlock the Destiny's doors when they are sealed. Chloe was so hard core when she did that.
nah when she took out the guard with ease.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:23 PM
I chortled loudly to myself when Telford showed up with the seeder ship and saved Destiny. Last week when the previews to this episode were being shown, and the battle scene was on, I thought to myself "Telford is going to show up and save the day with the little brown aliens". Who would have thought I'd be right for once??? :D:D:D

Me too! I had the same thought just before that happened! It was so weird I was thinking that Telford was going to come and like 5-10 seconds later he popped in and I freaked out.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:24 PM
nah when she took out the guard with ease.

Agreed. But it was still cool when she just ripped the cover off and opened the door.

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:24 PM
As did I. It was so cool. And with yet another way to unlock the Destiny's doors when they are sealed. Chloe was so hard core when she did that.

reminds me of Atlantis's doors, just pull of the panel and short the crystals.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:24 PM
I didn't guess that Telford would show up but I did fist pump and shouted YEA!!!!

I went "WOO" and thought about how many other SGU fans were doing that at the exact same moment that I was...

major davis
November 30th, 2010, 07:25 PM
What do you expect them to do then? Let me ask you this could you do any better?

LOL... I think I see where things could have been better... if I had to come up with my own original beginning to this ep.. not really..

What actually ticked me off was the AWFULLY cheesy and misplaced piano music during those two scenes. Brilliant without, awful with it.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:26 PM
reminds me of Atlantis's doors, just pull of the panel and short the crystals.

I thought of that too, and then my mind wandered for a second thinking about bridging the middle and last crystal with the top one. Like Vala always said: :valaanime06: "Too easy."

themeatcleaver
November 30th, 2010, 07:26 PM
nah when she took out the guard with ease.

for real! she came out with some serious River Tam "waif-fu" right there! :)

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:26 PM
I went "WOO" and thought about how many other SGU fans were doing that at the exact same moment that I was...

I did!

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:27 PM
anyone else going to get this on iTunes

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 07:29 PM
anyone else going to get this on iTunes

I don't need to. Thier is this archaic device I used to record Resurgence. They call it a VCR

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:29 PM
I don't need to. Thier is this archaic device I used to record Resurgence. They call it a VCR

I can't get screenshots off my dvr

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:30 PM
I still find it a little heartless with Rush saying he and Eli are better then other people. What made him judge and jury?

The fact that he went to college while working two jobs and that he has the right to make any decision without consulting anyone else :D. LOL. That's just Rush. I agree with Rush that he and Eli are better than other people to fulfill Destiny's mission, especially Eli. All people are equal, but they are unequal as far as what they are good at, but all the parts add up to be equal :).

ns2
November 30th, 2010, 07:30 PM
Did anyone think of the Wraith when they said that they woke up the drones

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:30 PM
I can't get screenshots off my dvr

I use Windows Media Center :). However, it does make me unable to use the forum while watching, but I like to settle in and watch without getting up for an hour.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:31 PM
anyone else going to get this on iTunes

Sure, I'll buy it on iTunes in HD. Right after I get my next iTunes gift card :).

General Jumper One
November 30th, 2010, 07:31 PM
Did anyone think of the Wraith when they said that they woke up the drones

me

Pharaoh Atem
November 30th, 2010, 07:32 PM
anyone else going to get this on iTunes

no i own a digtial video recorder

VampyreWraith
November 30th, 2010, 07:36 PM
Awesome episode. I loved that Telford showed up, that was my favorite part. I'm not sure I completely trust him but I hope he sticks around. Chloe has gone creepy, I don't really trust her much. I think she went and called her umm... friends and maybe we'll be seeing them soon. Rush seemed to be acting a bit weird. I must be getting paranoid but I kept thinking that people were acting weird in this episode and really didn't trust their motivations for saying/doing things.
Loved the space battles, loved Telford and his little "friends". Lots of funny lines, great music. I gave this episode a 9, cuz it left a little too much hanging until next episode for me.

I would love for LDP to become a regular. I wouldn't mind losing some of the other characters(even ones I like) in order for that to happen. I really missed having Telford around while he was gone; I think he's a great character, and LDP is a great actor (imo)

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:36 PM
I liked "Surface" to, they also made me very angry when "Heroes" got cancelled and then denied them a movie to finish the story.

Another good show that deserved better.

morbosfist
November 30th, 2010, 07:37 PM
I still find it a little heartless with Rush saying he and Eli are better then other people. What made him judge and jury?Rush is telling the truth, though, at least in a way. His point wasn't that they were better than everyone, but that they had gifts that others didn't. People who can exploit those gifts succeed in life, and he knows Eli has the potential to do that.

VampyreWraith
November 30th, 2010, 07:40 PM
anyone else going to get this on iTunes


Meee, I've recently realized that I'm kinda(well ok more than kinda) addicted to iTunes.

J-Whitt Remastered
November 30th, 2010, 07:41 PM
I don't need to. Thier is this archaic device I used to record Resurgence. They call it a VCR

Wow. A VCR?! You still use that? I didn't think anyone actually still had those and actually used them! Lol.

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:42 PM
I don't need to. Thier is this archaic device I used to record Resurgence. They call it a VCR

I will just watch it again in the encore showing and do the cheap download Wednesday or Thursday depending on when the first rip is uploaded.

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Did anyone think of the Wraith when they said that they woke up the drones

Absolutely, But I didn't realize immediately that they were drones.

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Wow. A VCR?! You still use that? I didn't think anyone actually still had those and actually used them! Lol.
Yes. I need to run my my 10 year old VHS

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 07:43 PM
Awesome episode. I loved that Telford showed up, that was my favorite part. I'm not sure I completely trust him but I hope he sticks around. Chloe has gone creepy, I don't really trust her much. I think she went and called her umm... friends and maybe we'll be seeing them soon. Rush seemed to be acting a bit weird. I must be getting paranoid but I kept thinking that people were acting weird in this episode and really didn't trust their motivations for saying/doing things.
Loved the space battles, loved Telford and his little "friends". Lots of funny lines, great music. I gave this episode a 9, cuz it left a little too much hanging until next episode for me.

I would love for LDP to become a regular. I wouldn't mind losing some of the other characters(even ones I like) in order for that to happen. I really missed having Telford around while he was gone; I think he's a great character, and LDP is a great actor (imo)

But the cliffhanger is what was best! They didn't leave too much; they left just enough to make you want to find out more. :)

J-Whitt Remastered
November 30th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Yes. I need to run my my 10 year old VHS

I was thinking awhile back that one day I may have to explain to my two year old what a VCR is. Like when people tell me about Pong, black-and-white TV, or listening to AM radio with soaps or whatever on there for entertainment. My kid will look at me like I'm crazy. Who knows what the hell movies will be on when he's 25 or so? Lol.

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 07:51 PM
But the cliffhanger is what was best! They didn't leave too much; they left just enough to make you want to find out more. :)

Yeah, I agree. I have seen cliff hangers that reeaallyyy leave you hanging. At least this one leaves us with what will Chloe come up with in getting them out of danger. Will the seeder ship survive? Will everyone finally realize that Chloe will be a friend and NOT a foe. What do the aliens in the Command Ship look like and are they really the enemy as Young stated.

VampyreWraith
November 30th, 2010, 07:51 PM
But the cliffhanger is what was best! They didn't leave too much; they left just enough to make you want to find out more. :)

See, I would've wanted a bit more on what Chloe was up too before the end of this episode. That was the part wher I really felt too much was left hanging. This is probably because, for me, the Chloe storyline has been left hanging for too long. I would have liked to see something just a bit more concrete as to what exactly is going on with her by now.

morbosfist
November 30th, 2010, 07:52 PM
Well, we'll probably get some traction on Chloe's story next year.


I was thinking awhile back that one day I may have to explain to my two year old what a VCR is. Like when people tell me about Pong, black-and-white TV, or listening to AM radio with soaps or whatever on there for entertainment. My kid will look at me like I'm crazy. Who knows what the hell movies will be on when he's 25 or so? Lol."Son, when dad was little, we didn't have DVRs or fancy compact discs. Instead we had these bulky rectangles full of magnetic tape that we used to record things. They were just awful. No nice menus to pick scenes from, very clumsy rewinding and fast-forwarding. It was barbaric, I tell you!"

RJLCyberPunk
November 30th, 2010, 08:06 PM
I liked "Surface" to, they also made me very angry when "Heroes" got cancelled and then denied them a movie to finish the story.

That's why I don't watch NBC anymore and haven't since they canned Surface. I knew very well that they would do the same with any Scifi show they happened to air from then on Heck they did it Night Rider again and boy I got suckered by them that time because I'm a huge K.R fan. but the point is if it's from NBC don't expect it to be around for long it just won't happen.

As for this episode as just about everyone said abbsolute awesomeness I hate this mid season gig and that we now have to wait until summer of next year probably before we see the other half of this season.

Captain James
November 30th, 2010, 08:08 PM
That was a good episode and can't wait for next one!

Derocalypse
November 30th, 2010, 08:13 PM
This episode was good for me. I did not enjoy the slow start but it did pick up with the action. I hope this episode is enough for SGU to get a third season.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 08:18 PM
See, I would've wanted a bit more on what Chloe was up too before the end of this episode. That was the part wher I really felt too much was left hanging. This is probably because, for me, the Chloe storyline has been left hanging for too long. I would have liked to see something just a bit more concrete as to what exactly is going on with her by now.

We'll probably find out the first thing in the next episode. We can tell now that her "other half" now has more control than ever, and that is clearly going to be a problem. I'm hoping that they're going to find a way around it and help her get better, but that may be wishful thinking.

Galileo_Galilee
November 30th, 2010, 08:40 PM
I did say Telford would be back and TJ's baby was the result of the destiny.

*Does happy dance*

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 08:42 PM
I did say Telford would be back and TJ's baby was the result of the destiny.

*Does happy dance*

We don't know for certain yet.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 08:43 PM
I did say Telford would be back and TJ's baby was the result of the destiny.

*Does happy dance*

I think everybody expected Telford to come back :P, and TJ's baby was a bit obvious, but it didn't really occur to me until TJ brought it up (I just didn't think about it).

SciFiRick
November 30th, 2010, 08:59 PM
By the way. Where was Rush at the end of this episode??

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 09:01 PM
By the way. Where was Rush at the end of this episode??

beamed out.. (jk). Maybe he was on the seed ship...

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 09:02 PM
beamed out.. (jk). Maybe he was on the seed ship...

Rush was on the bridge at the end

morbosfist
November 30th, 2010, 09:03 PM
Probably had a hard time getting through the crowds.

hedwig
November 30th, 2010, 09:06 PM
Good to see Young sitting in the commander's chair on the bridge. :)

Also, are none of those guys on guard duty actually on guard ... when somebody like Chloe (even in her changing state) can incapacitate her guard and escape? Seriously, are they all so easily caught off guard like that?

Pharaoh Atem
November 30th, 2010, 09:08 PM
By the way. Where was Rush at the end of this episode??

maybe he found the battle bridge :P

Replicator Todd
November 30th, 2010, 09:10 PM
This episode was nothing but awesome, it sure did fit my space battle quota for this season! :D

morbosfist
November 30th, 2010, 09:12 PM
Good to see Young sitting in the commander's chair on the bridge. :)

Also, are none of those guys on guard duty actually on guard ... when somebody like Chloe (even in her changing state) can incapacitate her guard and escape? Seriously, are they all so easily caught off guard like that?Gotta admit, you wouldn't expect Chloe to suddenly strike out like that.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 30th, 2010, 09:13 PM
There was a lot of great stuff in this episode: The music when Greer and Brody were jumping onto the alien ship, Kung Fu Chloe, Rush calling out Eli, Telford showing up with the Ursini, a big space battle, flying into the sun, another big space battle...

I liked getting the backstory for the Ursini. It would've been nice if they'd gotten a little more screen time than that though.

Shadow_7
November 30th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Good episode, should be what SGU is about. If they'd actually fix the ship.

10+ months to fix one space suit = lame
Combustion based weaponry in space = lame
Complaining about it being to quiet in the VACUUM of space = lame

Just enough at the end? Just enough to make us think that it's just another ship simulation. Just how long is this mid-season break? three months again? Wasn't that the "full season break"? Will we see reruns between here and there? Or three plus months of american pickers. Or is Martha Stewart moving to Syfy?

On the plus side, finally have a bluray player. As I wonder if space hunter 2300 is on bluray? Or cleopatra 2525?

Mozzza
November 30th, 2010, 09:17 PM
So, lets say that Destiny does help the Ursini out with their battle (which Destiny has no choice now, unless Chloe did something??), will the Ursini give Destiny the power it requires to dial Earth? - What would happen if they did dial Earth?

I can see some VERY interesting developments ahead. Though, I guess it's possible that Chloe did something and we lose the Ursini for a later episode as we repair the ship.

I give the episode a 10/10

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 09:20 PM
So, lets say that Destiny does help the Ursini out with their battle (which Destiny has no choice now, unless Chloe did something??), will the Ursini give Destiny the power it requires to dial Earth? - What would happen if they did dial Earth?

I can see some VERY interesting developments ahead. Though, I guess it's possible that Chloe did something and we lose the Ursini for a later episode as we repair the ship.

I give the episode a 10/10


Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if we catch up with the Ursini in at least a few episodes to dial Earth. We may have contact with them in between these parts, but the dialing of Earth will probably happen in S3.

Mozzza
November 30th, 2010, 09:30 PM
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if we catch up with the Ursini in at least a few episodes to dial Earth. We may have contact with them in between these parts, but the dialing of Earth will probably happen in S3.

I'm thinking that too. In fact, it might be the S2.5 cliff hanger. Destiny under attack and dialling Earth, some people start walking through and then the credits come up :P

Kaiphantom
November 30th, 2010, 09:39 PM
In my opinion, the best episode of the season. It's really a shame that they finally put out a good ep that would make me want to start supporting the show again, but now it's finally too late to do anything about making sure there is a third season. However, at least we'll get the conclusion to this two parter... in four months. Oy vey; I generally prefer mid season breaks to be much shorter. Anyway, on to the ep.

I liked the nice touch at the start, with everyone not knowing exactly what the yare doing on the bridge, and needing Rush to bail them out. It puts an interesting emphasis on Rush's earlier logic about keeping the bridge hidden, because he needed to understand everything before they got their paws on it. I liked his pep talk to Eli, and in fact, his general concern for Eli. He sees someone with potential, and in his own way, he's trying to nurture it because he's been there. If I'm right about Eli ultimately being the one to save the crew at the end of the fifth season and get them back to Earth, then it'll only be because Rush helped him.

I'm liking the Ursini; they did a bit of a double-cross and so I dislike them for that, but I can understand why. They make a good addition. I just wish I had more backstory about this war and enemy, but I suppose that will come. Obviously, they won't be able to dial Earth even if they destroy the command ship, so I'm speculating that the seed ship gets destroyed, and perhaps one or two of the aliens end up on Destiny, and eventually become part of the crew. Interested in knowing how they managed to track Destiny, especially given that it went off course. But I'm assuming ancient ships can track each other.

Figured Telford would be back; big question is what will happen to him at the end of the second part. He's not going to be a regular, obviously, so he either dies or goes with the Ursini.

And then Chloe, and to a lesser degree, Scott. First hint of realism since Scott is pulling away, but perhaps doesn't want to look like he is. Chloe accepting what's happening to her, which would be a good character moment... if I could be sure it was really Chloe there, and not because she's under the influence.

One last speculated point: Someone on JM's blog asked if it could be possible Destiny might have some prototype drones. JM seemed to hint that it was a possibility. My thought is that Chloe is activating those, and in the next episode, Destiny will release it's complement of drone prototypes to destroy the ships. The Ursini will be afraid of redocking, and will just take off with the seed ship (since they obviously can't redock to help people dial Earth). Could even be a sort of drone factory on the ship.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more it would have made sense for the Ancients to include some form of raw material retrieval capability on Destiny. They did so for the seed ships, in order to manufacture gates. Destiny should have something like that as well, to repair sections of the ship as needed. Like refueling in the sun, some capability to munch on asteroids or something. I'm guessing that's a capability they will discover and reactivate later, since if you send a ship off and expect it to travel for millions of years, you'll need a way for it to get raw materials to repair itself.

Well, this ended up being mostly speculation, but I like that they finally had some sort of urgency to the situation. I really hate it when it's episode after episode of slow plot development, under the guise of character development. Those really need to be interspersed between episodes where things actually happen.

sgc
November 30th, 2010, 09:39 PM
I'm thinking that too. In fact, it might be the S2.5 cliff hanger. Destiny under attack and dialling Earth, some people start walking through and then the credits come up :P

I bet you an Air ZPM that that will happen exactly to the letter. :P

Shan Bruce Lee
November 30th, 2010, 09:49 PM
You don't really think the show could be cancelled after this episode?

They'll probably run off the rest of this season, but it's gonna be tough to get another season.


I still find it a little heartless with Rush saying he and Eli are better then other people. What made him judge and jury?

They are the smartest two people on the ship.


By the way. Where was Rush at the end of this episode??

He stumbled onto the bridge during the battle a little while after Eli.


This episode was nothing but awesome, it sure did fit my space battle quota for this season! :D

A big space battle was long overdue. It's a shame the episode had to end right in the middle of it.

jelgate
November 30th, 2010, 09:54 PM
They'll probably run off the rest of this season, but it's gonna be tough to get another season.



They are the smartest two people on the ship.



He stumbled onto the bridge during the battle a little while after Eli.



A big space battle was long overdue. It's a shame the episode had to end right in the middle of it.

Depends what you mean by intelligence. It comes in many forms. Even if that is so it doesn't make you better then someone else.

pipi
December 1st, 2010, 12:54 AM
He blurted out he's been stranded for 10 months. No more guessing I guess.

Mozzza
December 1st, 2010, 12:57 AM
I bet you an Air ZPM that that will happen exactly to the letter. :P

I hate to be the n00b here, but I don't know what that is >.<

ussrelativity
December 1st, 2010, 12:57 AM
Now this was some episode!

The only drawback is the wait until the next one.

timmciglobal
December 1st, 2010, 01:31 AM
I'd give it a 7/10.

My biggest complaint is the "just-in-time" things like the shuttle being there from last episode... a star being nearby... the seeder ship finding destiny right in the middle of the attack...

It's really mind boggling because this is suppose to be a long drama but all the major things seem to happen at most 1 episode back to be used the very next episode.

Tim

Benr96
December 1st, 2010, 01:57 AM
i just realized sgu (excluding malice and greater good) was lacking in excitment , i hadnt gotten that excited feeling i got when the seed ship came since the last 2 episodes in s1 , hopefully they will keep it up

Blackhole
December 1st, 2010, 03:05 AM
A good episode but why did they attack before the FTL drive was repaired? Doing so rendered Destiny far too vulnerable to mishap and betrayal. It was incredibly foolish.

We will have to wait till next episode to find out if Chloe is a threat or not. I think whatever action she took will be for the benefit of the ship.

Wayston
December 1st, 2010, 03:06 AM
I was a bit surprised about it since traditionally the progression of "earth time" in stargate closely follows the progression of our real "earth time", although there's not a major discrepancy so it doesn't matter that much.

ussrelativity
December 1st, 2010, 03:11 AM
JM stated this on his blog some time ago. But now, we have it stated on the show as well.

Lahela
December 1st, 2010, 03:26 AM
Nearly 30 minutes in and I had to stop for breath, so I've run in here (being careful not to read any thread titles!) to yell, "HOLY FRAK!!!!!"

:D :D :D

escyos
December 1st, 2010, 03:35 AM
dont you mean that you just realised that YOU think SGU is lacking in excietment.

i and many many many many others believe it is as exciting as SG-1 and Atlantis and dont want it to end. <mod snip>

SG1Commander
December 1st, 2010, 04:09 AM
I completely agree. This episode was awesome!! From Destiny finding the grave yard, to the battle with the drone ships. I was surprised to see the seed ship jump into the battlefield. When I saw that, surprised, I said, "That's the seed ship!!"

garhkal
December 1st, 2010, 04:14 AM
+100000000

sgc
December 1st, 2010, 04:43 AM
I hate to be the n00b here, but I don't know what that is >.<

Like an air guitar :P

Mozzza
December 1st, 2010, 04:48 AM
Like an air guitar :P

Ahaha, ahh k xD

Trinary
December 1st, 2010, 04:57 AM
Hardly an epic. Kinda a rush compilation with a lots of hearsay style story. You'll get this kind of episode in a canceled TV series and try to compress everything in a few episodes before the grand finale.

Commander Zelix
December 1st, 2010, 05:06 AM
Very good episode. Best episode of the season with Awakening. The start was a bit slow then we get to have some space ship action and Chloe's development. There was no depth or intricate sci-fi stories, but it was all fun. A generous 8/10.

Trinary
December 1st, 2010, 05:10 AM
It has a good materials but weak in it's executions. Since season 1, SGU do the same way in it story telling like a cameraman coming late to work everyday. Always miss the good part of the event.

Should we applaud the fools and losers while the series is not a comedy series or the main characters not a jokers or jerks?

It fail me completely when I could think of many other ways to avoid the collision with the drones armada. May be, they eat too much cancer in their food...

garhkal
December 1st, 2010, 05:40 AM
the ori said never stray from the path or you will be destroyed guess rush didn't read those mission files.

destiny's in rough shape

Hallowed are the ori...
And the destiny is most definitely in bad shape.. here is hoping they can fix it, otherwise Young's vision of it blowing up might come true.


Wow!!! What a badass ep. The back half of this season is going to be exciting and entertaining.

Especially if it follows how well the first half did.


Well I got a feeling Telford will be staying on the destiny for good. I really hope if SGU gets renewed they can update LDP from recurring to Regular. Make it a regular 9 Cast member show.

With fundging still being an issue, i seriously doubt it.. They already have several high price characters (rush, young, wray and chloe)..



I loved the little pep talk Rush gave Eli, at first it seemed heartless but it was really sincere in a Rush kind of way, lol.

Part of me was hoping young just stayed outside and listened in, rather than interupt as he did.. I would have liked to see that chit chat completed..



So, a very strong cliffhanger, should be interesting how they get out of this mess. Really would stink if the show is cancelled after it has raised the bar. oh well.

That it would. Here is hoping the ratings for how this ep ended the first half, pushes the exes to keep the series around for one more season at the minimum.


i... i dont even know where to start!

Awesomeness watching the bridge lower for battle and then drop down more screens
Finally a badass enemy!
wtf Chloe?
Varro is finally trustworthy!
Rush pep talk was.. different.

Frigging awesome. This better cement a third season, go ratings go!

The bridge popping down/screens out was a definite surprise.. as to varro.. i am just glad they gave him something to do. BUT it was nice to see TJ warm up to him.
On the rush talk.. perhaps his "talks" with gloria and eventually the beat down Young gave him have changed him into being more 'ameniable to others...


I still find it a little heartless with Rush saying he and Eli are better then other people. What made him judge and jury?

Ego.. Events. Seeing how much the rest of the crew have depended on those to to survive.


I swear... Im gonna make a writers disease called SGUatitus......

adjective:

1) A story, be a TV show, movie, or book, where the beginning always lags and the ending always kicks FREAKING BUTT! :P

In that case, here is hoping a lot more episodes suffer from it.


reminds me of Atlantis's doors, just pull of the panel and short the crystals.

It was kinda screwey how easy it was to do..


I don't need to. Thier is this archaic device I used to record Resurgence. They call it a VCR

Unfortuantely i am overseas in barracks, watching on AFN..all we get is either a VCP or DVD player (neither record)... SUCKS!


I don't need to. Thier is this archaic device I used to record Resurgence. They call it a VCR

Nope.. But it is an interesting analogy.. Though i might be inclined to link it more to the asurans.


Rush is telling the truth, though, at least in a way. His point wasn't that they were better than everyone, but that they had gifts that others didn't. People who can exploit those gifts succeed in life, and he knows Eli has the potential to do that.

Yup... And the key is that those with the gift who apply themselves, not just have it are the ones who are successful. Here is hoping it snaps eli out of his funk.


Wow. A VCR?! You still use that? I didn't think anyone actually still had those and actually used them! Lol.

Guilty as charged. Heck i still have probabily around 200 vcr tapes in my collection.


Yeah, I agree. I have seen cliff hangers that reeaallyyy leave you hanging. At least this one leaves us with what will Chloe come up with in getting them out of danger. Will the seeder ship survive? Will everyone finally realize that Chloe will be a friend and NOT a foe. What do the aliens in the Command Ship look like and are they really the enemy as Young stated.

Since i am thinking (especially with how Evil chloe said what she did) that she is an enemy, not friend, i am thinking she is not long for us.


We'll probably find out the first thing in the next episode. We can tell now that her "other half" now has more control than ever, and that is clearly going to be a problem. I'm hoping that they're going to find a way around it and help her get better, but that may be wishful thinking.

Most definitely (IMO) wishful thinking there. I think she has finally gone to the "dark side"'



I liked getting the backstory for the Ursini. It would've been nice if they'd gotten a little more screen time than that though.

Especially in relation to the other 4 ships they had there. Are they colony ships? Space transports? Generational ships? Or like the travelers (SGA) how they live?


So, lets say that Destiny does help the Ursini out with their battle (which Destiny has no choice now, unless Chloe did something??), will the Ursini give Destiny the power it requires to dial Earth? - What would happen if they did dial Earth?


Some might call me evil for this, but i am hopig they DON'T get to dial earth...

icsteffi
December 1st, 2010, 05:44 AM
That was the best episode ever!!! I started SCREAMING at the T.V. 20 minutes from the end, because I was sure they were going to leave me with the most annoying cliffhanger ever! Why do we have to wait so long to see how this ends up!?

It was nice seeing Young make an Eli-esk joke! Send a bat-signal!!!! :)

You would think that someone would realize that if Chloe were all evil, she'd get the ship when people are least expecting it....not when the ship is about to be destroyed by some other guys.

knowles2
December 1st, 2010, 05:59 AM
Except it is not cancelled, an SG writers have more than enough form at rushing through episodes storylines in past shows.

An episode 10 was written an filmed before they even aired the first episode of the second season.

icsteffi
December 1st, 2010, 06:04 AM
I must admit that this is the first time in a while that I was screaming bloody murder at my screen....and the first time that I ever pressed pause, just to stand up and DO A HAPPY DANCE (*when I heard Telford's voice). Exciting is true!!!!!

Utitan
December 1st, 2010, 06:12 AM
I gotta say I got a little excited, belted out a nice loud "YES!" when the seed ship came jumping in.. Although I had pretty much known it was going to happen.. Then the scene of Destiny and the Seeder flying into the sun was simply awesome.

icsteffi
December 1st, 2010, 06:21 AM
haha. Okay, I think it is epic. But the best???? Out of all three series? Seriously? I think you need to sleep on a statement like that! hehehe. :D Or maybe you already did...I'm on an opposite side of the world so it's now sleepy-time.

Jaemal
December 1st, 2010, 06:39 AM
Great episode with a very harsh cliffhanger. Rush was awesome as usual , his speech to Elim while not very empathic, fitted him to the core and was a great insight into his mind. I liked how just a week after complaining about the lack of it, we finally see Eli's grief (thought I found it stranged that they talked more about Riley than Ginn). I for one, was surprised to see the seed ship again and it was great to finally see the final stage of Chloe's mutation (and Chloe kicking ass for once).

And now, something more personal: *ehm* YES! SCOTT AND CHLOE HAVE BROKEN UP! Thank god, I have been waiting for this for the whole season.

But I really need to know NOW what Chloe did to the ship. What am I to do during the next months?

Egle01
December 1st, 2010, 06:50 AM
haha. Okay, I think it is epic. But the best???? Out of all three series? Seriously? I think you need to sleep on a statement like that! hehehe. :D Or maybe you already did...I'm on an opposite side of the world so it's now sleepy-time.It's a matter of opinion.

Zkyire
December 1st, 2010, 06:50 AM
I still find it a little heartless with Rush saying he and Eli are better then other people. What made him judge and jury?

..they are smarter than the majority of people on Earth.

So yeah they are better.

People are not created equal.

jelgate
December 1st, 2010, 06:53 AM
dont you mean that you just realised that YOU think SGU is lacking in excietment.

i and many many many many others believe it is as exciting as SG-1 and Atlantis and dont want it to end. (Plus we plan on killing all the haters of SGU out there :D ...but dont tell anyone)
And some of us say its more exciting then Sg1 and Atlantis. Well maybe not SG1

jelgate
December 1st, 2010, 06:55 AM
Epic is a word I use to describe episodes like Lost City. It was a great episode but not epic.

jelgate
December 1st, 2010, 07:00 AM
..they are smarter than the majority of people on Earth.

So yeah they are better.

People are not created equal.
Smarter how? Intelligence isn't so one-sided

Spimman
December 1st, 2010, 07:57 AM
I'm with JEL, it was a really good episode with a few holes in there. I loved the ending though and can't wait for the next episode!

The fact that it caused you to join GW and make your username the episode name is awesome!

Galileo_Galilee
December 1st, 2010, 07:59 AM
I hate to be the n00b here, but I don't know what that is >.<

A ZPM is a zero point module that the Ancients used to power their cities and spaceships.

From the Stargate Wiki:


A Zero Point Module, often abbreviated ZPM, is a power source built by the Ancients. Utilizing zero-point energy, it is the cleanest and most potent energy source in the known universe.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_Point_Module

Sp!der
December 1st, 2010, 09:35 AM
It was okay, the last five minutes were awesome also the camille & Eli, Rush & eli Talk... starting to like camille.. oh my never thought to say this. And Telford is back, baby! ;) hope he sticks around for the last ten episodes... but I thought Justice was a better mid season finale.

Egle01
December 1st, 2010, 09:40 AM
but I thought Justice was a better mid season finale.Agreed. Young leaving Rush behind was more shocking (to me, at least).

hedwig
December 1st, 2010, 10:17 AM
..they are smarter than the majority of people on Earth.

So yeah they are better.

People are not created equal.

Smarter doesn't always equal better. :) It just means they are smarter.

xxxevilgrinxxx
December 1st, 2010, 10:28 AM
I still find it a little heartless with Rush saying he and Eli are better then other people. What made him judge and jury?

It's heartless but it's classic Rush, isn't it? I can see Rush actually believing that to the point that he'd have no qualms saying it out loud to someone else. It doesn't make it true, but it does make it true for Rush, which is always enlightening

zmo
December 1st, 2010, 10:40 AM
I think that they will resolve the "emergency situation" within 3 minutes of the next episode - just as they resolved the cliff hanger at the end of season 1.

mizzoueng
December 1st, 2010, 10:44 AM
I thought it was a good episode, but seemed to be lacking in some degrees.

The shuttle part I think had subtle hints to it. The suspected Urisini ship wasn't destroyed, but there were no bodies aboard. You would suspect to see bodies floating around. Granted there was a giant hole in the ship, but the doors were sealed and there should have been bodies. Where were they? Also, there was little damage inside the ship. A ship going through a battle should have debris inside and out from blown panels, circuits, etc. Makes me think the whole graveyard was a trap set up by the drones.

The Drones. Basicially replicators V0.1. So now we've had replicators in all three versions. SG-1 had the blocks, SGA had the nanites, SGU has the ships. Makes sense in order of evolution. Doesn't make sense in what we know of replicator origin from SG-1. Who knows though.

I am really starting to dislike Young and Rush. The obvious points were made "you judge a neighborhood BY the bad neighbors" and they still let the Urisini dock and then trusted them enough to tow them to a "safe location". Wouldn't the sensors have been able to detect the drones? We saw them all get destroyed in the sun. Now that they have control of Destiny's guidance, couldn't they just set it on "constant refuel" mode and get more than 40% reserves? With a Sun RIGHT THERE they could have continued refueling and been safe from the drone attacks as they were IN A SUN.

Replicator Todd
December 1st, 2010, 11:25 AM
I loved this episode and will be severely disappointed if the next time isn't even half as great as this one. But I wouldn't say it is one of the best out of all three series.

Pecisk
December 1st, 2010, 11:28 AM
This episode was definitely too short :) Must be two-parter...er...wait :)

Liked action, seemed to be a little rushed in places, but I like SGU way of doing action - it looks and sounds different from SGA and SG-1. Loved char interaction and development. Yay for Chloe - she is going somewhere. What the outcome of her mutation will be? Consequences? Solutions? Eli is grieving - that was one hellishly angry look he gave to Camille after question about Ginn. Rush and Yong definitely starts to work more like a team, Rush seems to recognize that he needs others, especially Eli help to manage Destiny. Yong still don't like make difficult decisions, but his confidence seems to be growing.

Telford is back with blazing colors - yay. Aliens are back too - and they are not maniacal murderers - but we already knew that, they where too cute (although again they are not altruists). Drones were kicking ass (finally some round shapes which makes more sense in space), but it is so interesting that their particular owners aren't known so well (Ekhemm...Blues, anyone? I'm not so sure, but that's my guess).

Is Chloe II evil or not? Is she a threat? What she is - hybrid or complete new personality? It is quite clear that what she's done will impact their changes to survive this onslaught. What phrase "It's too late" means in this context?

Well, I guess we will find out after four months - unless SyFy comes to their senses.

p.s. Scott and Chloe scene came out uneasy and forced - poor Scott. He lingers on hope when there's nothing left for him. He clearly cares about her.

ArchaeoNerd
December 1st, 2010, 11:32 AM
Did anyone think of the Wraith when they said that they woke up the drones

Actually, I thought of the Borg. :)

FoX-1028
December 1st, 2010, 11:40 AM
You suck. You really do.

Yea, but thats his opinion...

ArchaeoNerd
December 1st, 2010, 11:40 AM
Yeah, I agree. I have seen cliff hangers that reeaallyyy leave you hanging. At least this one leaves us with what will Chloe come up with in getting them out of danger. Will the seeder ship survive? Will everyone finally realize that Chloe will be a friend and NOT a foe. What do the aliens in the Command Ship look like and are they really the enemy as Young stated.

Replicators!!

:)

kirmit
December 1st, 2010, 11:43 AM
I would say it was epic for SGU and maybe if the second part gets even better be epic compared to the whole franchise.

lars
December 1st, 2010, 11:43 AM
.. (finally some round shapes which makes more sense in space)

How's that?

Pecisk
December 1st, 2010, 11:44 AM
This was epic, but for SGU kind of epic :) Comparing Lost City and this one would be kinda unfair - also Lost City is one of the best two parters in SG series ever (SGU still needs to create something to match that).

There where some uneven parts, but that's what you get with lot of plot lines to move forward. Few scenes felt unnecessary (though they still delivered something to chew on), some could be a little longer (like running away from the drones into sun).

It is quite clear that I'm hooked. It is also clear that SGU has quite a story to tell and they push their own boundaries in story telling/vfx making/directing/acting with every further episode.

Replicator Todd
December 1st, 2010, 11:45 AM
Replicators!!

:)

I love the Replicators.

Pecisk
December 1st, 2010, 11:49 AM
How's that?

Well, let's start with that rotating can create some real forces in vacuum, instead of constant airplane type of ships which don't make any sense in the space, because there is nothing to support your wings on?

ns2
December 1st, 2010, 11:51 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that Rush helped Chloe do what she did b/c there's a time period where he's MIA
Is it possible that the Aliens used Rush to get the equations to Chloe

Oh ya all the people complaining about the Earth stuff

Pecisk
December 1st, 2010, 11:51 AM
I love the Replicators.

But are they replicators? They looked like automatic war machines, with managed A.I. from control ship. We don't know who created them and why they attack everyone. I still bet they are owned by Blue ones.

lars
December 1st, 2010, 11:53 AM
The Drones. Basicially replicators V0.1. So now we've had replicators in all three versions. SG-1 had the blocks, SGA had the nanites, SGU has the ships. Makes sense in order of evolution. Doesn't make sense in what we know of replicator origin from SG-1. Who knows though.

Automatical defense systems don't have to be replicators.. And I REALLY hope they don't revive the crappy replicator story line for SGU, I disliked them since the very first time they showed (and even more in every revival). Pretty much any spacefaring species could more or less easily develop automatic drones, since they aren't too developed, with them flying into a sun..


I am really starting to dislike Young and Rush. The obvious points were made "you judge a neighborhood BY the bad neighbors" and they still let the Urisini dock and then trusted them enough to tow them to a "safe location". Wouldn't the sensors have been able to detect the drones? We saw them all get destroyed in the sun. Now that they have control of Destiny's guidance, couldn't they just set it on "constant refuel" mode and get more than 40% reserves? With a Sun RIGHT THERE they could have continued refueling and been safe from the drone attacks as they were IN A SUN.

On this I have to agree. Why not just stay in the sun until the repairs are made? The 40% reserves thing on the other hand isn't a problem of "not staying long enough in the sun" (would be plain stupid otherwise..), it's rather because the capacitors of the Destiny can't store more juice. Guess they just thought they didn't have any choice. If they had declined the offer, the Ursini would probably leave them behind, leaving them vulnerable to an other attack if they wouldn't be able to repair the FTL in time.. but then again, why didn't they just wait in the sun?

kirmit
December 1st, 2010, 11:54 AM
Just to point out that we can't really compare it to 'Lost City' yet as that was a 2 parter we've seen both parts of whereas we haven't seen both parts of this. Also, personally I didn't find the first half of 'Lost City' to be epic, maybe not even great but certainly good.

ArchaeoNerd
December 1st, 2010, 12:00 PM
Well, we'll probably get some traction on Chloe's story next year.

"Son, when dad was little, we didn't have DVRs or fancy compact discs. Instead we had these bulky rectangles full of magnetic tape that we used to record things. They were just awful. No nice menus to pick scenes from, very clumsy rewinding and fast-forwarding. It was barbaric, I tell you!"

"... and when Great-Grandma was little we didn't have TV at all, and we listened to 78 RPM records and AM radio."

...ArchaeoNerd, resident Senior Citizen, who used VHS tapes to record SG1 and Atlantis, graduated to DVR to record SGU, and is now using iTunes because the DVR died. BTW I was glad to see Telford again (I was another who did YESSSS and a fist pump), I can't wait to see what the Ursini will be like, and I really hope that Chloe is doing something helpful and not calling her blue friends!

lars
December 1st, 2010, 12:07 PM
Well, let's start with that rotating can create some real forces in vacuum, instead of constant airplane type of ships which don't make any sense in the space, because there is nothing to support your wings on?

I'm not a native english speaker, so forgive me if I don't fully understand what you're saying. Your point is that wing-ish space aircraft wouldn't make any sense in space, because of the forces created by the constant rotation ? I'd agree with that, but I understood your post that you were assuming a wing-less non-round shaped aircract would be vastly inferior to a flying egg.

Nikec3
December 1st, 2010, 12:15 PM
This episode wasn't even close to epic, because of dozen plot holes. I consider episode "Threads" to be pure epic.

Super Carl
December 1st, 2010, 12:24 PM
It wasn't the best that stargate can offer, but it was pretty good if you ask me. What I liked was that it managed to balance the character drama with the action.

Pecisk
December 1st, 2010, 12:27 PM
I'm not a native english speaker, so forgive me if I don't fully understand what you're saying. Your point is that wing-ish space aircraft wouldn't make any sense in space, because of the forces created by the constant rotation ? I'd agree with that, but I understood your post that you were assuming a wing-less non-round shaped aircract would be vastly inferior to a flying egg.


Well, I probably made lot of mistakes in my previous message, because English is not my native language too :) So please bear with me.

My point was that I think round form is more suitable for doing things in space (like creating artificial gravity). I wouldn't call it more superior, but it clearly have some benefits.

Lahela
December 1st, 2010, 12:32 PM
It's heartless but it's classic Rush, isn't it? I can see Rush actually believing that to the point that he'd have no qualms saying it out loud to someone else. It doesn't make it true, but it does make it true for Rush, which is always enlightening

Except that Rush didn't say that he and Eli are better than other people. He said that Eli is better than other people.

thekillman
December 1st, 2010, 12:48 PM
This episode wasn't even close to epic, because of dozen plot holes

i'm pretty good at finding plotholes, and i didn't find a dozen.



Epic? well yes SGU epic. the only reason it isn't common SG epic is because it doesn't involve some superweapon

The Mighty 6 platoon
December 1st, 2010, 12:55 PM
Good ep. Sharp dialogue, excellent action, who don’t love the space battles. Now presumably we have to wait months for the conclusion.

Blackhole
December 1st, 2010, 01:14 PM
I thought it was a good episode, but seemed to be lacking in some degrees.

The shuttle part I think had subtle hints to it. The suspected Urisini ship wasn't destroyed, but there were no bodies aboard. You would suspect to see bodies floating around. Granted there was a giant hole in the ship, but the doors were sealed and there should have been bodies. Where were they? Also, there was little damage inside the ship. A ship going through a battle should have debris inside and out from blown panels, circuits, etc. Makes me think the whole graveyard was a trap set up by the drones.

The Drones. Basicially replicators V0.1. So now we've had replicators in all three versions. SG-1 had the blocks, SGA had the nanites, SGU has the ships. Makes sense in order of evolution. Doesn't make sense in what we know of replicator origin from SG-1. Who knows though.

I am really starting to dislike Young and Rush. The obvious points were made "you judge a neighborhood BY the bad neighbors" and they still let the Urisini dock and then trusted them enough to tow them to a "safe location". Wouldn't the sensors have been able to detect the drones? We saw them all get destroyed in the sun. Now that they have control of Destiny's guidance, couldn't they just set it on "constant refuel" mode and get more than 40% reserves? With a Sun RIGHT THERE they could have continued refueling and been safe from the drone attacks as they were IN A SUN.

I agree. Why did they attack before the FTL drive was repaired. First off, someone should have thought of heading towards the star to refuel. That is a no brainer. They could have cycled back and forth into the star replenishing reserves and destroying drones until all of them were destroyed and the FTL drive was repaired. Attacking without FTL and away from the star was just plain stupid. I think this episode wasn't as well thought out as it could have been.

lars
December 1st, 2010, 01:37 PM
I agree. Why did they attack before the FTL drive was repaired.

How could you miss the various dialogues before the actual space fight in which they very openly said they were double-crossed by the Ursini? The seeder ship dropped out of FTL in the proximity of the contral station, and as Destinys FTL was in no working order, they had no chance but to fight..

coZma
December 1st, 2010, 02:29 PM
It can't be compared to the like of "Lost City". It was a good episode but somehow it left me teh impression that the writers don't know yet how to blend harmoniously the drama with the hardcore action. Awakening did a better job at that IMO. Also the humor seemed a little forced. I personally think they have a long way to go till they discover the epic recipe for SGU. Still, a very good episode, the show seems to be going in the right direction.

Commander Zelix
December 1st, 2010, 02:32 PM
This episode wasn't even close to epic, because of dozen plot holes. I consider episode "Threads" to be pure epic.
For me the pure epic was "Be All My Sins Remember'd". Fran also added a nice sci-fi emotional edge to the episode.

KEK
December 1st, 2010, 02:36 PM
The swooping in of the seed ship reminded me of Lost City and the 302's.

Nikec3
December 1st, 2010, 02:42 PM
For me the pure epic was "Be All My Sins Remember'd". Fran also added a nice sci-fi emotional edge to the episode.

People are different :D I've always found stargate ship battles to be unintresting to me. I prefer planet based action, or strong emotional episodes like "Threads", or mixes of action and drama like "Time", "Malice", The Greater Good" and "Vegas" + I don't like Mallozzi's style of writing.

Commander Zelix
December 1st, 2010, 02:50 PM
People are different :D I've always found stargate ship battles to be unintresting to me. I prefer planet based action, or strong emotional episodes like "Threads", or mixes of action and drama like "Time", "Malice", The Greater Good" and "Vegas" + I don't like Mallozzi's style of writing.
That's what I just said "Be All My Sins Remember'd" was about sneaking into the replicator homeworld and plant Fran. The Fran character was wonderful and add an nice emotional edge to the episode.

Joben
December 1st, 2010, 03:55 PM
I wasn't a huge fan of this ep, not sure exactly why. Perhaps the 'cliffhanger' wasn't a really big draw - it's far too predictable.

I'm glad they referenced the events of gin/perry dying, I had the feeling last week that the episodes were written/shown out of order since they didn't reference it at all.

SciFiRick
December 1st, 2010, 03:58 PM
Rush was on the bridge at the end

Yes, But where was he when Young asked Eli "Where Is Rush"?. Eli said "I don't have a clue". Then Rush walked onto the bridge the last few seconds of the episode.

Galileo_Galilee
December 1st, 2010, 04:00 PM
On Rush there are a couple of possibilities I can think of with Eli:

1) Rush is working with Camille to help Eli through tough love to help him deal with his emotions.

2) Rush is just being a jerk.

3) Rush is a mole who is working for some aliens who recognized Eli's importance (whatever that importance is) and is eliminating all of Eli's friends through "accidents" and through other people. First Chloe, then Riley, then Ginn.

And then when Eli breaks, they'll get him off ship where the aliens can kidnap him and use his genius to help them figure out the Destiny and use it to take over the universe!

I like that one! :cameron::ford:

But in any case of numbers one and two, Rush had better be careful. If Eli reaches a breaking point it could backfire on him, and badly.

Commander Zelix
December 1st, 2010, 04:00 PM
It's not a big thing. But did anybody notice when the Destiny was in the sun it opened up some kind of blue valves on the ship downside surface. Was it the same valve they used in Darkness/Light to refuel the ship energy?

I don't remember how the Destiny ship looked when it was recharging in the sun.

Galileo_Galilee
December 1st, 2010, 04:02 PM
As far as I know they didn't show those devices before.

SciFiRick
December 1st, 2010, 04:18 PM
It's not a big thing. But did anybody notice when the Destiny was in the sun it opened up some kind of blue valves on the ship downside surface. Was it the same valve they used in Darkness/Light to refuel the ship energy?

I don't remember how the Destiny ship looked when it was recharging in the sun.

Actually, I did. I thought there was something different about how Destiny deployed the refueling intakes. I will have to go back and look at the previous show from season 1.

hedwig
December 1st, 2010, 04:22 PM
Actually, I did. I thought there was something different about how Destiny deployed the refueling intakes. I will have to go back and look at the previous show from season 1.

Yes. I did. I think it had something to do with refueling, since something similar was used early on when Destiny first flew through a sun.

jelgate
December 1st, 2010, 04:29 PM
Yes, But where was he when Young asked Eli "Where Is Rush"?. Eli said "I don't have a clue". Then Rush walked onto the bridge the last few seconds of the episode.

Practicing his evil laugh. Seriously I don't see an sneaky motive for RUsh to be gone like he has in the past

Lainier
December 1st, 2010, 04:36 PM
Aliens!
Drones!
Space battles!
Rush's speech!
Telford's back!
Varro's helping!
Chloe unleashed!
Bat-Signal!

Great episode!

scelby
December 1st, 2010, 04:51 PM
A really good episode. I did want to see more about Telford and the Ursini though. When Telford started talking about the interface that they hooked him up to where he started seeing images I wanted to see it!

I have a hard time with them using Chloe for their calculations and not even trying to help her. I know they don't have a lot of equipment but you would think that they would try something other than just locking her up. I for one think that she is trying to help them not harm them.

BSG has spoiled me for battle scenes. These just don't compare. I think it might be the fact that they don't have fighters to send out.

sgc
December 1st, 2010, 04:54 PM
A really good episode. I did want to see more about Telford and the Ursini though. When Telford started talking about the interface that they hooked him up to where he started seeing images I wanted to see it!

I have a hard time with them using Chloe for their calculations and not even trying to help her. I know they don't have a lot of equipment but you would think that they would try something other than just locking her up. I for one think that she is trying to help them not harm them.

BSG has spoiled me for battle scenes. These just don't compare. I think it might be the fact that they don't have fighters to send out.

There wasn't enough time to explain in detail. They were in the middle of a battle, and the episode was packed to the brim (not excessively or improperly, but perfectly) with its plot, action, and emotional scenes. There wasn't time in this episode to go into further detail. However, I am pretty sure that they will go further into it in a further episode.

SG1Commander
December 1st, 2010, 05:00 PM
The swooping in of the seed ship reminded me of Lost City and the 302's.

I agree completely. I remember being surprised when the 302s showed up in Lost City; and I was surprised again when the seed ship came in

Commander Zelix
December 1st, 2010, 05:05 PM
A really good episode. I did want to see more about Telford and the Ursini though. When Telford started talking about the interface that they hooked him up to where he started seeing images I wanted to see it!
I think the Telford adventure with the Ursini should have been the A-plot of one of the previous epsode. Obviously maybe with some added plot development and peripety.

nx01a
December 1st, 2010, 06:25 PM
ReSGUrgence

The Good:
>Destiny and the seed ship sure look sexy flying into a star! I must admit, I did have a major geekgasm watching the seed ship appear and then the duo flying into the sun. Honestly, that sequence made the whole episode for me. I know, I'm easy. :D
>I love the signature SGU epic battle music, as played during the final battle.
>Chloe's infection has 'resurged', or surged period. Super brain, militaristic personality, super strength... I know whatever she did is going to help them out of their situation, but I know it'll also screw them over, too.
>Thank goodness Scott isn't still sleeping with Chloe! That'd be, what? Xenophilia? And if she zoned out in the middle of it, would he notice the difference? :P
>Telford has 'resurged'/reappeared. Sarcastic yay. I wonder if we'll see a resurgence of him being mind-controlled, this time by the Ursini.
>Rush/Eli. Nice bit of parallel Rush did to try and snap Eli out of his grief.
>Rush didn't care about Volker last week, now it's Rush's turn. :D His self-esteem must be direly low.
>Wray/Rush/Young once again sitting down and discussing the way forward. Very nice.
>Brody/Greer. Hilarious!
>I loved how Varro had to look away but Chloe just kept on staring into the sun.

The Bad:
>It really wasn't the most gripping cliffhanger, to be honest. The ship's under heavy fire. Big whup.
>Exploring the Ursini ship really wasn't that interesting or necessary, despite the good Greer/Brody character moments.
>No one felt the least bit uneasy about using the Planet Builder-fixed shuttle despite what happened to the Planet Builder-fixed humans last episode.
>Telford has 'resurged'/reappeared. Sarcastic yay. I figured he would, mostly because he's one of the show's big name actors but also because of the potential for the aliens using him instead of killing him. I really dislike his 'acting'. And is that all the beard he grows in a month? Geez.
>ANOTHER telepathic alien device. How convenient. I literally rolled my eyes.
>TJ/Varro. I thought it was interesting at the beginning of the season, now I just think it's a horrible mistake. TJ needs some Young lovin'!

The Ugly:
>Honest to the Ancients! I'm really getting tired of Volker, Park and Brody being portrayed as totally inept.

The Verdict:
>SGU certainly has had a resurgence [or a surge, period] in quality since the first half of season 1. I hope it continues into the second half of season 2, and also into at least a third season.

sgc
December 1st, 2010, 06:59 PM
The Good:
>Destiny and the seed ship sure look sexy flying into a star! I must admit, I did have a major geekgasm watching the seed ship appear and then the duo flying into the sun. Honestly, that sequence made the whole episode for me. I know, I'm easy. :D
>I love the signature SGU epic battle music, as played during the final battle.
>Chloe's infection has 'resurged', or surged period. Super brain, militaristic personality, super strength... I know whatever she did is going to help them out of their situation, but I know it'll also screw them over, too.
>Thank goodness Scott isn't still sleeping with Chloe! That'd be, what? Xenophilia? And if she zoned out in the middle of it, would he notice the difference? :P
>Telford has 'resurged'/reappeared. Sarcastic yay. I wonder if we'll see a resurgence of him being mind-controlled, this time by the Ursini.
>Rush/Eli. Nice bit of parallel Rush did to try and snap Eli out of his grief.
>Rush didn't care about Volker last week, now it's Rush's turn. :D His self-esteem must be direly low.
>Wray/Rush/Young once again sitting down and discussing the way forward. Very nice.
>Brody/Greer. Hilarious!
>I loved how Varro had to look away but Chloe just kept on staring into the sun.

The Bad:
>It really wasn't the most gripping cliffhanger, to be honest. The ship's under heavy fire. Big whup.
>Exploring the Ursini ship really wasn't that interesting or necessary, despite the good Greer/Brody character moments.
>No one felt the least bit uneasy about using the Planet Builder-fixed shuttle despite what happened to the Planet Builder-fixed humans last episode.
>Telford has 'resurged'/reappeared. Sarcastic yay. I figured he would, mostly because he's one of the show's big name actors but also because of the potential for the aliens using him instead of killing him. I really dislike his 'acting'. And that all the beard he grows in a month? Geez.
>ANOTHER telepathic alien device. How convenient. I literally rolled my eyes.
>TJ/Varro. I thought it was interesting at the beginning of the season, now I just think it's a horrible mistake. TJ needs some Young lovin'!

The Ugly:
>Honest to the Ancients! I'm really getting tired of Volker, Park and Brody being portrayed as totally inept.

The Verdict:
>SGU certainly has had a resurgence [or a surge, period] in quality since the first half of season 1. I hope it continues into the second half of season 2, and also into at least a third season.

The flying into the star thing never gets old. They spent a lot of time and effort into making that special effect. Truly priceless.
I'm sure that Chloe's actions will in no small part help them, and then have major ramnifications later.
In "Light", I was saying "Don't look directly at the star, idiot! You're way closer than you are on a planet", and then I realized that the windows must be treated to filter light because it's a spaceship. I can't believe that I didn't notice that.

I have to say that I disagree about the cliffhanger. I don't like super cliffhangers because while the hanger is hanging by a single thread, it may "snap" and fall to the ground. The cliffhanger could have used a bit more, but there was more than one major element to it: the seed ship, the battle, Chloe (again, but now it's a specific action she took), etc. It was very well written for the part. I hadn't thought too much specifically about the shuttle ending up like the Faith-Alien humans. Interesting take on that.

I totally agree about Volker, Park, and Brody being portrayed as totally inept and (upset? IDK what was up with Park... she looked pretty upset and her hair was really messed up).

I think SGU is an awesome show, and that it must be treated as such. It should be renewed for at least 3 more seasons.

the fifth man
December 1st, 2010, 07:30 PM
I thought this was a great episode for the mid-season finale. That ending definitely left me wanting more.

Blackhole
December 1st, 2010, 07:46 PM
How could you miss the various dialogues before the actual space fight in which they very openly said they were double-crossed by the Ursini? The seeder ship dropped out of FTL in the proximity of the contral station, and as Destinys FTL was in no working order, they had no chance but to fight..

I didn't miss anything. There was no reason to accompany the aliens. Let me spell it out for you. They just existed the star with full reserves. When the drones attack they destroy as many as possible until their reserves start to run low. They go back into the star and replenish. They exit and repeat the process. Very shortly all the drones are destroyed and danger eliminated. They can then repair their FTL drives at their leisure. When and if they accompany the aliens they do so with full reserves and a functioning FTL drive.

Shadow_7
December 1st, 2010, 08:07 PM
Since the seed ship has 4x's more reserves than Destiny, shouldn't they have remained docked and pooled their power towards weapons and shields???

Lots of mind wandering options for the gap. Was it all a simulation? Is Destiny just a distraction while the seed ship rams the control ship? Is super chloe good or evil?

I thought that Rush's talk was more about himself (Rush), and only drawing parallels to Eli's experience. Which Eli missed drawing the same parallel and just assumed it was all about him. I either case, Eli needs some of what Young having earlier this season.

1.5 seasons to patch the hole on the dome room. 0.5 episodes to vacuum all their food to space. Gotta love the Gilligan's Island nature of SGU.

sgc
December 1st, 2010, 08:36 PM
Since the seed ship has 4x's more reserves than Destiny, shouldn't they have remained docked and pooled their power towards weapons and shields???

Lots of mind wandering options for the gap. Was it all a simulation? Is Destiny just a distraction while the seed ship rams the control ship? Is super chloe good or evil?

I thought that Rush's talk was more about himself (Rush), and only drawing parallels to Eli's experience. Which Eli missed drawing the same parallel and just assumed it was all about him. I either case, Eli needs some of what Young having earlier this season.

1.5 seasons to patch the hole on the dome room. 0.5 episodes to vacuum all their food to space. Gotta love the Gilligan's Island nature of SGU.

If it was a simulation, that would be almost enough to make me stop watching (not really. I would probably never stop watching :P) unless they had a REALLY good reason to do so.

morbosfist
December 1st, 2010, 09:16 PM
I didn't miss anything. There was no reason to accompany the aliens. Let me spell it out for you. They just existed the star with full reserves. When the drones attack they destroy as many as possible until their reserves start to run low. They go back into the star and replenish. They exit and repeat the process. Very shortly all the drones are destroyed and danger eliminated. They can then repair their FTL drives at their leisure. When and if they accompany the aliens they do so with full reserves and a functioning FTL drive.And when the drones just keep coming and coming and coming? In case you didn't notice, the drones started at seven at went up to more than two dozen inside of a few minutes, despite several getting blown up. Destiny was on the ropes in no time flat. They weren't ever going to stop. You can't affect major repairs when you're constantly being attacked, and certainly not in such short windows. Sun diving constantly is not going to be a viable strategy. Damage will pile up and full power will not help matters. They had to leave, because staying was suicide.

sgc
December 1st, 2010, 09:25 PM
And when the drones just keep coming and coming and coming? In case you didn't notice, the drones started at seven at went up to more than two dozen inside of a few minutes, despite several getting blown up. Destiny was on the ropes in no time flat. They weren't ever going to stop. You can't affect major repairs when you're constantly being attacked, and certainly not in such short windows. Sun diving constantly is not going to be a viable strategy. Damage will pile up and full power will not help matters. They had to leave, because staying was suicide.

That, and you can't just stay in the star. You can't effect repairs or continue on Destiny's course, and who knows what kind of nasty things can happen if Destiny stays in the star once it is at full power. It could be like a cell phone: if you leave it plugged in when done charging, it drains the battery and refills it, and it progresses to the point where the battery can't hold a charge any longer. I'm sure it's much more complex and complicated than that, but it's just a basic analogy.

Blackhole
December 1st, 2010, 09:39 PM
And when the drones just keep coming and coming and coming? In case you didn't notice, the drones started at seven at went up to more than two dozen inside of a few minutes, despite several getting blown up. Destiny was on the ropes in no time flat. They weren't ever going to stop. You can't affect major repairs when you're constantly being attacked, and certainly not in such short windows. Sun diving constantly is not going to be a viable strategy. Damage will pile up and full power will not help matters. They had to leave, because staying was suicide.

The scanner showed 7 ships and I saw three destroyed. Where did the rest come from? We don't know what Destiny's power reserves were at the time of the battle but it did seem like the shields failed rather fast from hits from such small ships. Their fire power seemed disproportionately large. As long as Destiny was able to maintain full shields I don't think they would have been in great danger. As soon as the reserves start to drop too low they go back through the sun.

morbosfist
December 1st, 2010, 09:47 PM
The scanner showed 7 ships and I saw three destroyed. Where did the rest come from? We don't know what Destiny's power reserves were at the time of the battle but it did seem like the shields failed rather fast. As long as Destiny was able to maintain full shields I don't think they would have been in great danger. As soon as the reserves start to drop too low they go back through the sun.Who knows where the rest came from, but they did. There were more than 24 ships chasing Destiny when it flew into the star. I counted. There were at least a dozen when the attack started. Destiny went into the second battle at full power and was still beat down inside of a few minutes by a dozen ships, and despite destroying at least five didn't even manage to make a dent in their numbers. Even accounting for time lapses that come standard with action sequences, their shields failed really fast. Your star-diving idea wouldn't work, because the relentless drones would keep causing damage, as they did the first time. The shields don't have to fail completely for damage to occur. Destiny would literally have to be diving in and out every few minutes just to keep from taking damage, and that would negate any possibility of effective retaliation.

sgc
December 1st, 2010, 09:52 PM
Who knows where the rest came from, but they did. There were more than 24 ships chasing Destiny when it flew into the star. I counted. There were at least a dozen when the attack started. Destiny went into the second battle at full power and was still beat down inside of a few minutes by a dozen ships, and despite destroying at least five didn't even manage to make a dent in their numbers. Even accounting for time lapses that come standard with action sequences, their shields failed really fast. Your star-diving idea wouldn't work, because the relentless drones would keep causing damage, as they did the first time. The shields don't have to fail completely for damage to occur. Destiny would literally have to be diving in and out every few minutes just to keep from taking damage, and that would negate any possibility of effective retaliation.

Perhaps they are equipped with a basic/rudimentary interstellar drive technology, or they may possess cloaking technology.

morbosfist
December 1st, 2010, 09:55 PM
You could count the fact that they don't need pilots as a cloak. Just power down everything and run a simple restart command.

sgc
December 1st, 2010, 09:56 PM
You could count the fact that they don't need pilots as a cloak. Just power down everything and run a simple restart command.

Well, yes, but I meant an actual "invisible/undetectable" generator.

Mozzza
December 1st, 2010, 09:59 PM
Some might call me evil for this, but i am hopig they DON'T get to dial earth...

I think and hope they do dial Earth and get most of the civilians off. I think that many will also want to stay. I think the last episode will be when they all return to Earth.

garhkal
December 2nd, 2010, 02:07 AM
Depending.. SG1 as a whole, had 10 years of goodness, but also some slack stuff. This for me (see the thread on mid season 2 parters) was a lot better than some of those..

garhkal
December 2nd, 2010, 03:15 AM
(thought I found it stranged that they talked more about Riley than Ginn).

But I really need to know NOW what Chloe did to the ship. What am I to do during the next months?

On the riley/ginn thing.. We had a guy who got med discharged (clinical depression) who lost his mom, sis, brother, a good mate (who was driving the 3 family members) in the same month, he lost a girl friend.. He was hurt more over the loss of the good mate than his kin. And more for kin than the GF.. So i see nothing strange there.


Wouldn't the sensors have been able to detect the drones?

Since they were powered down.. no. Though it does make me wonder what set that one which powered up off..


Now that they have control of Destiny's guidance, couldn't they just set it on "constant refuel" mode and get more than 40% reserves?

Ever had a laptop battery, cel phone battery, radio battery that you used some, charged, used some, charged etc till it eventually got to where it only stored/charged up to a certain level.. That is called battery memory. No reason to NOT think the destinies batteries are the same. PLUS as with any storage device, you get less and less efficiency in it over time.


Automatical defense systems don't have to be replicators..

Nope. See the space laser platform in ethon. Or the mines in Space race.


It's not a big thing. But did anybody notice when the Destiny was in the sun it opened up some kind of blue valves on the ship downside surface. Was it the same valve they used in Darkness/Light to refuel the ship energy?

Exactly the same ones..


I didn't miss anything. There was no reason to accompany the aliens. Let me spell it out for you. They just existed the star with full reserves. When the drones attack they destroy as many as possible until their reserves start to run low. They go back into the star and replenish. They exit and repeat the process. Very shortly all the drones are destroyed and danger eliminated. They can then repair their FTL drives at their leisure. When and if they accompany the aliens they do so with full reserves and a functioning FTL drive.

Until the thing controlling the drones adapts.. Places enough stuff in your path to weaken you making you flee back, and keeps pounding on you as you go that way.


Since the seed ship has 4x's more reserves than Destiny, shouldn't they have remained docked and pooled their power towards weapons and shields???

Since our "Primary weapon" deploys in that same area, they could not stay docked if they wanted us to use it.


Where did the rest come from?

Perhaps the command ship is also a carrier ship..

mizzoueng
December 2nd, 2010, 06:35 AM
Ever had a laptop battery, cel phone battery, radio battery that you used some, charged, used some, charged etc till it eventually got to where it only stored/charged up to a certain level.. That is called battery memory. No reason to NOT think the destinies batteries are the same. PLUS as with any storage device, you get less and less efficiency in it over time.

Yes, but the issue I have with that is this: The Seeder ship had MASSIVE amounts of power and reserves. The two ships should have the same power source and refueling techniques. If anything, the Seeders were built prior to Destiny and the Destiny collection and storage system should be more advanced. Destiny has been on the move from Day 1 and trying to catch up with the Seeders. Maybe the breaks from FTL for the Seeders helped prolong the life of the Seeder energy core, but the amount of energy needed to manufacture a gate and provide it with a source for dialing from the planet has to be great.

So why does the Seeder have sooo much energy and Destiny so little? Is Destiny locking out the main's from the crew in anticipation of a large battle or step in the mission? Will the mains come on-line in the second half and thats what the new monitors are for?

With the introduction of the Seeder it doesn't make sense why Destiny has so little power and the Seeder so much. The Urisini can't be the reason as they boarded the ship while it was disabled and thus hadn't refueled it.

lars
December 2nd, 2010, 08:15 AM
I didn't miss anything. There was no reason to accompany the aliens. Let me spell it out for you. They just existed the star with full reserves. When the drones attack they destroy as many as possible until their reserves start to run low. They go back into the star and replenish. They exit and repeat the process. Very shortly all the drones are destroyed and danger eliminated. They can then repair their FTL drives at their leisure. When and if they accompany the aliens they do so with full reserves and a functioning FTL drive.

Well, you complained about them attacking, not about Destiny going with the Ursini in the first place.

Why they went with them instead of hiding in the star.. Well, I asked myself the very same question. Guess we agree on one thing: They shouldn't have teamed up with them.

Blackhole
December 2nd, 2010, 08:25 AM
Yes, but the issue I have with that is this: The Seeder ship had MASSIVE amounts of power and reserves. The two ships should have the same power source and refueling techniques. If anything, the Seeders were built prior to Destiny and the Destiny collection and storage system should be more advanced. Destiny has been on the move from Day 1 and trying to catch up with the Seeders. Maybe the breaks from FTL for the Seeders helped prolong the life of the Seeder energy core, but the amount of energy needed to manufacture a gate and provide it with a source for dialing from the planet has to be great.

So why does the Seeder have sooo much energy and Destiny so little? Is Destiny locking out the main's from the crew in anticipation of a large battle or step in the mission? Will the mains come on-line in the second half and thats what the new monitors are for?

With the introduction of the Seeder it doesn't make sense why Destiny has so little power and the Seeder so much. The Urisini can't be the reason as they boarded the ship while it was disabled and thus hadn't refueled it.

Because that is the way it was written. I think it is a plot contrivance. If Destiny had survived on its own for a million years a very sophisticated automated repair system would have to have been in place along with extensive redundant support systems. It always bothered me that there wasn't numerous automated robots circulating inside and outside the ship performing necessary repairs and general maintenance.

PHILIP1
December 2nd, 2010, 09:42 AM
nice episode.

well, at least we know by now that the Usergeeni (or whatever it is they're called) can be friendly. they might well be capable of getting Destiny's crew home, assuming of course the genius producers of SGU agree to it. maybe they'll lay off the Destiny, now that they have a seeder ship. they also seem like a bunch of chicken****s, doing what they did. it seems like they wanted Destiny to do some of their dirty work, attacking the command ship, then if Destiny was destroyed, they might be able to finish the job.

I wonder who built the unmanned drones and the command ship. Possibly an advanced race, who wanted to wipe out any other threats like other advanced species; maybe something like the Replicators. AI happens very easily in many evolving civilizations, at least in the Stargate series. for all we know, they could be the Usergeeni's creation that turned on them, and now they can't shut the damn thing off.

Telford's back, yeah all right. Chloe's turning into semi *****, half evil alien something or other. this might be the best episode of the whole series.

Destiny11
December 2nd, 2010, 11:29 AM
Great episode, I dare say the best yet, now i am just frustrated i have to wait until next year! I like the subtle changes in the show that have been taking place over this second season (less earth, aliens, space battles, less montages and a mission of sorts), i think its becoming a much better show because of them.

I think the ursini have brought to fore another classic SG story line, leaping before we look (we've ended up with genocidal clones in SG-1 and suicidal hoth in SGA), i am sure there is more to this than mindless drone ships. Telfords back and chloes going nuts, and eli is a mess (with rush as mentor). While I am sure they will somehow get out of this unlike the previous cliffhanger there is a lot more going on and many more ways that i think it could be resolved.

Although at some point i would like to see them explore destiny some more and get it working better for a ship that has survived millions of years it has shown pretty poor form, BSG made the Galactica a character of sorts in the show and when they decided to abandon it, it was a wrenching moment seeing as they are stuck on the ship i think it can be much more than a means to an end

but a great ep, i hope they continue along these lines and get renewed, in the meantime i shall have to occupy my tv with the ashes and Dr Who christmas specials (when they come along)

J-Whitt Remastered
December 2nd, 2010, 11:46 AM
"... and when Great-Grandma was little we didn't have TV at all, and we listened to 78 RPM records and AM radio."

And I'll have to explain that PacMan was pretty big in it's day. Who knows what video games will be like 20 years down the line?


As far as I know they didn't show those devices before.

It's the same as in Light. I think you can just see it a little more clearly in this episode. Either that or it's just clearer in the copy I have.


Because that is the way it was written. I think it is a plot contrivance. If Destiny had survived on its own for a million years a very sophisticated automated repair system would have to have been in place along with extensive redundant support systems. It always bothered me that there wasn't numerous automated robots circulating inside and outside the ship performing necessary repairs and general maintenance.

Maybe they just haven't found the more important stuff that is being repaired.

J-Whitt Remastered
December 2nd, 2010, 01:21 PM
I think the ursini have brought to fore another classic SG story line, leaping before we look (we've ended up with genocidal clones in SG-1 and suicidal hoth in SGA), i am sure there is more to this than mindless drone ships.

Agreed 100%.


Although at some point i would like to see them explore destiny some more and get it working better for a ship that has survived millions of years it has shown pretty poor form, BSG made the Galactica a character of sorts in the show and when they decided to abandon it, it was a wrenching moment seeing as they are stuck on the ship i think it can be much more than a means to an end

Agreed with this too. I hated when Glactica had to be abandoned. It was such a sad episode. It felt like when I lost my first car times ten.

ianrobbie
December 2nd, 2010, 01:50 PM
First of all, great episode!
Also, was I the only one who got really excited when you saw the seeder ship drop out of FTL and you heard Telford's voice?

Personally, I think Chloe has taken remote control of the seeder ship and has set it on a collision course with the Drone Control Ship.
It's the only way I think that would tie up all the loose ends. I mean, they can't have the Ursini tag along all the time and to have two ships to use would just be daft and would take away from the Destiny herself.

Lastly, it was damn good to see the Destiny actually doing some high-speed manoeuvring. I was getting a wee bit tired of just seeing her plodding along.

Mozzza
December 2nd, 2010, 02:09 PM
First of all, great episode!
Also, was I the only one who got really excited when you saw the seeder ship drop out of FTL and you heard Telford's voice?

Personally, I think Chloe has taken remote control of the seeder ship and has set it on a collision course with the Drone Control Ship.
It's the only way I think that would tie up all the loose ends. I mean, they can't have the Ursini tag along all the time and to have two ships to use would just be daft and would take away from the Destiny herself.

Lastly, it was damn good to see the Destiny actually doing some high-speed manoeuvring. I was getting a wee bit tired of just seeing her plodding along.

Far out, I never considered that, re. Chloe. That makes perfect sense.

There is an episode called "Twin Destinies" coming up, perhaps the ship's crew will split over the two ships - that'd be pretty awesome!

sgc
December 2nd, 2010, 04:28 PM
nice episode.

well, at least we know by now that the Usergeeni (or whatever it is they're called) can be friendly. they might well be capable of getting Destiny's crew home, assuming of course the genius producers of SGU agree to it. maybe they'll lay off the Destiny, now that they have a seeder ship. they also seem like a bunch of chicken****s, doing what they did. it seems like they wanted Destiny to do some of their dirty work, attacking the command ship, then if Destiny was destroyed, they might be able to finish the job.

I wonder who built the unmanned drones and the command ship. Possibly an advanced race, who wanted to wipe out any other threats like other advanced species; maybe something like the Replicators. AI happens very easily in many evolving civilizations, at least in the Stargate series. for all we know, they could be the Usergeeni's creation that turned on them, and now they can't shut the damn thing off.

Skynet xD. Sent to terminate all everything.

major davis
December 2nd, 2010, 04:31 PM
Resurgence is number 8 in the US after being out for almost 2 days. GO SGU!

sgc
December 2nd, 2010, 04:35 PM
Because that is the way it was written. I think it is a plot contrivance. If Destiny had survived on its own for a million years a very sophisticated automated repair system would have to have been in place along with extensive redundant support systems. It always bothered me that there wasn't numerous automated robots circulating inside and outside the ship performing necessary repairs and general maintenance.

They built Destiny so that it didn't have to be constantly repaired/upkept. The ship doesn't need much upkeep, because it was sent out unmanned. Also, if they had built automated repair robots (and maybe they did, but we haven't seen them yet), who would upkeep them? Everything the Ancients build lasts millions of years (until we break it :P) without anybody being there. Destiny is in need of a couple major repairs, but we aren't capable of doing that yet.

sgc
December 2nd, 2010, 04:42 PM
Since they were powered down.. no. Though it does make me wonder what set that one which powered up off..



Nope. See the space laser platform in ethon. Or the mines in Space race.



Since our "Primary weapon" deploys in that same area, they could not stay docked if they wanted us to use it.



Perhaps the command ship is also a carrier ship..

Well, they weren't completely powered off, but just dormant enough to remain undetected until it's too late, and just awake enough to detect the presence of new meat.


Or the mines in The Serpent's Venom or Company of Thieves.


Maybe that's why the seed ship undocked..


Possibly. I don't doubt that, because if you have a ship to command them, why not have the command ship carry a few?

sgc
December 2nd, 2010, 04:56 PM
Did anyone think of the Wraith when they said that they woke up the drones

I didn't at first, but now that I think about it, it does :)

Browncoat1984
December 2nd, 2010, 06:18 PM
What a great episode. From here on out I'll assume that anybody who still complains that nothing happens on the show is eithier A: a hater who doesn't care about the show or B: hasn't bothered watching anything from season 2. Is it fast paced like Atlantis or SG-1? No, but this is a good thing because I think at times SG-1 and Atlantis were TOO fast paced. Those of us who watch and enjoy the show know that its been great and all we have to do is spread the word. Especially to anybody who is a fellow sci-fi fan and has not watched it yet, sit down with them, watch through it before the back half of the season airs, and get them caught up.

Ssuper Kyle
December 2nd, 2010, 08:17 PM
I think Chloe called in the calvary.

How do we know there aren't other seeder ships near by?

cjp240573
December 3rd, 2010, 12:13 AM
What a great episode.

I agree, just finished this ep. and wow, I want more. This is what Stargate is all about.

theta123
December 3rd, 2010, 03:17 AM
9.5/10 for this fantastic episode

Its gonna make the waiting very long!

Mibi
December 3rd, 2010, 04:28 AM
Did anyone think of the Wraith when they said that they woke up the drones

No, but that would be pretty cool. One problem, I thought the Wraith could only drain Humans?

cjp240573
December 3rd, 2010, 04:55 AM
9.5/10 for this fantastic episode

Its gonna make the waiting very long!

When is it going to be back? :)

ted leski
December 3rd, 2010, 07:01 AM
Another great one!! I am really enjoying SGU now after dragging through the first 1 and a half seasons. I mean it was good stuff early on, its just that I didn't take to the slow pace very well but I got all the necessary character stuff by utilizing fast forward (controlling what and when I see certain parts of the episodes. I can just watch them all the way through now.

I wanna see what Chloe looks like in full alien transformation make-up (she'll probably be all CG after that anyway). Does the actress still get paid after that.

Perelandra
December 3rd, 2010, 08:35 AM
Wow. A VCR?! You still use that? I didn't think anyone actually still had those and actually used them! Lol.

Yep, I do! that's how I recorded "Cloverdale" when I had to be out that Tuesday night.
No way I was going to miss that. But I'm one step above a Luddite. I did notice that
"Resurgence" is on SyFy rewind, already though.

I loved this episode. Great action, lines, "Bat Signal," LOL!. I wasn't so sure about Telford's return, though -as much as I love LDP I wonder how they're going to handle that later-as to who will command Destiny.
I did like Rushs' little talk with Eli, too.

Xamaxy
December 3rd, 2010, 09:27 AM
Finally SGU started to be StarGate and not some bsg wannabe.
Fantastic episode! The best so far!

Just need to keep it up this way and old addictions are back :)

Although special effects and graphics are superb i like old school battles, 1 camera standing still on some distance from the fight and watching it all steady. all those angles and sudden changes in fight make me dizzy:P

g.o.d
December 3rd, 2010, 10:14 AM
well, I had same feeling like I had while watching "Space". This episode was a huge disappointment for me. Action, action and action, ntohing more. I want more than huge explosions, sparks, shooting, aliens, other silly features. I want episdoes like Visitation, not Resurgence. The last thing I wanna see is another idiotic clasical Stargate concept

lopo30
December 3rd, 2010, 01:10 PM
is Creer an alien with healing powers ?
two episodes back he got shot and now he can go to the missions out in space jump to other ship :D
all show is 10 months so two episodes back should be week , maximum 2 weeks but usealy these insuries will heal with in month 2 or even more

Guner
December 3rd, 2010, 02:33 PM
This show finally grew some balls. Kick Arse

sgc
December 3rd, 2010, 02:52 PM
I think Chloe called in the calvary.

How do we know there aren't other seeder ships near by?

We don't :).


I agree, just finished this ep. and wow, I want more. This is what Stargate is all about.

Exactly!


Another great one!! I am really enjoying SGU now after dragging through the first 1 and a half seasons. I mean it was good stuff early on, its just that I didn't take to the slow pace very well but I got all the necessary character stuff by utilizing fast forward (controlling what and when I see certain parts of the episodes. I can just watch them all the way through now.

I wanna see what Chloe looks like in full alien transformation make-up (she'll probably be all CG after that anyway). Does the actress still get paid after that.

Well, I don't think she'll be CGI because her metamorphasis is not shrinking her, so it should still have her form in one way or another. If she plays the completely metamorphasized Chloe, or if she voices the CGI, then yes, she will still be paid. Otherwise, she will not get paid, because if they don't plan on using her character again, then her contract will be over.


well, I had same feeling like I had while watching "Space". This episode was a huge disappointment for me. Action, action and action, ntohing more. I want more than huge explosions, sparks, shooting, aliens, other silly features. I want episdoes like Visitation, not Resurgence. The last thing I wanna see is another idiotic clasical Stargate concept

There were a lot of emotional exchanges between characters, a lot of character development, and plot development. Not to mention the graphic effects.


is Creer an alien with healing powers ?
two episodes back he got shot and now he can go to the missions out in space jump to other ship :D
all show is 10 months so two episodes back should be week , maximum 2 weeks but usealy these insuries will heal with in month 2 or even more

Did you mean Greer? If so, then no, he is not. If he was not majorly wounded, he would heal faster. Besides, he's a tough cookie :P. Also, you can't judge the time frame per episode/between episodes unless they specifically mention it. Also, "Faith" took place over a month, and most episodes are approximately 1-3 days, not including FTL jumps in between and off-camera events.

lopo30
December 3rd, 2010, 03:50 PM
what was the kid genius named agein ? :D
he was with the lesbian derapist and sed he's been on board for 10 months
you can be tough cookie but you dont heal gun shot with a week or two thats just not real
i have burned my feat on fire and didnt get to walk rite for a while but the damage was not so sevire like Greer got with the gun shot .. he was lucky to make it trough the gate back to ship
took me months to heal them and years for the mental part ...

stimpy77
December 3rd, 2010, 04:13 PM
Being a mid-season finale, I was rather disappointed by this episode. There were too many plot holes and way too many conveniences.

How did Telford find the Destiny? Wasn't he in an entirely different galaxy? How did he manage to time his arrival just seconds before their would-be demise? And if the aliens that were with Telford were so peaceful then why the hell were they firing on all the crew before Telford got stuck with them? Or are we just supposed to assume that the alien pods' neural interfaces made Telford an evil, untrustworthy alien mind himself? How on earth can we assume that when the neural interface that Rush used on a different alien race kept him completely sane and himself?]

The biggest plot hole was when they went into the star. They couldn't fire up their FTL engines, but a star that wasn't there before now appears out of nowhere and they can conveniently just fire up their sub-light engines and fly right into it, vaporizing their attackers. How [email protected]#$%g convenient. Did anybody in the back room writing this stuff even ponder for one moment just how on earth these details are supposed to be explained? Just how stupid do the writers think we are?

Sure, there was plenty of action here, lots of interesting dialog, and an interesting new arc working its way into the series. But SG-U is really starting to lose my respect with these ridiculous plot holes. It completely takes away the fun of the show when the believability is vaporized because so many ridiculously convenient or inexplicable things are going on all at once.

jelgate
December 3rd, 2010, 04:47 PM
How did Telford find the Destiny

Thier is a subspace link between Destiny and Seeder ship. Not hard to follow


Wasn't he in an entirely different galaxy?

No


How did he manage to time his arrival just seconds before their would-be demise?
Good timing. Its a common TV cliche



And if the aliens that were with Telford were so peaceful then why the hell were they firing on all the crew before Telford got stuck with them?

To protect their own skin. Look at it from their prespective. A bunch of people just invaded your place of residence. Doubtful you are going to be calm and let them invade


Or are we just supposed to assume that the alien pods' neural interfaces made Telford an evil, untrustworthy alien mind himself? How on earth can we assume that when the neural interface that Rush used on a different alien race kept him completely sane and himself?]

Telford seemed the same as he was from Awakening
/


The biggest plot hole was when they went into the star. They couldn't fire up their FTL engines, but a star that wasn't there before now appears out of nowhere and they can conveniently just fire up their sub-light engines and fly right into it, vaporizing their attackers. How [email protected]#$%g convenient. Did anybody in the back room writing this stuff even ponder for one moment just how on earth these details are supposed to be explained? Just how stupid do the writers think we are?

Sure, there was plenty of action here, lots of interesting dialog, and an interesting new arc working its way into the series. But SG-U is really starting to lose my respect with these ridiculous plot holes. It completely takes away the fun of the show when the believability is vaporized because so many ridiculously convenient or inexplicable things are going on all at once.

First of all that doesn't fit the description of a plot hole. Arguing the convience is pointless as its personal opinion, however sublight and FTL are separate engines so I don't see why one being damanged would automatically damange the other

sgc
December 3rd, 2010, 04:48 PM
Being a mid-season finale, I was rather disappointed by this episode. There were too many plot holes and way too many conveniences.

How did Telford find the Destiny? Wasn't he in an entirely different galaxy? How did he manage to time his arrival just seconds before their would-be demise? And if the aliens that were with Telford were so peaceful then why the hell were they firing on all the crew before Telford got stuck with them? Or are we just supposed to assume that the alien pods' neural interfaces made Telford an evil, untrustworthy alien mind himself? How on earth can we assume that when the neural interface that Rush used on a different alien race kept him completely sane and himself?]

The biggest plot hole was when they went into the star. They couldn't fire up their FTL engines, but a star that wasn't there before now appears out of nowhere and they can conveniently just fire up their sub-light engines and fly right into it, vaporizing their attackers. How [email protected]#$%g convenient. Did anybody in the back room writing this stuff even ponder for one moment just how on earth these details are supposed to be explained? Just how stupid do the writers think we are?

Sure, there was plenty of action here, lots of interesting dialog, and an interesting new arc working its way into the series. But SG-U is really starting to lose my respect with these ridiculous plot holes. It completely takes away the fun of the show when the believability is vaporized because so many ridiculously convenient or inexplicable things are going on all at once.

Just so you know, you don't need to use spoiler tags when you are in the thread for the episode. Anyways:

1. Destiny was not in FTL. The ships have sensors capable of communicating with each other and locating each other.
2. No, he was not in a different galaxy.
3. The sensors on the seed ship(s) can't "talk" to Destiny while Destiny's in FTL. Destiny dropped out, and then Telford plotted the course with the help of the Ursini. They had to make a detour. If they dropped out into Destiny's position before going to the graveyard, they would have had to take a jump lasting approximately 1 day give or take.
4. This was also explained in the episode. The Ursini were scared and desperate. They merely stunned them, so they knew that they weren't going to permanently harm them.
5. You don't assume anything :). I sort of doubt that the pods would do that, but that's an assumption :P.
6. We aren't entirely certain that it kept him completely sane. It was also a primarily read-only (but not entirely read-only) device where Rush was the output.
7. It didn't appear out of nowhere. They have full sub-light capability because they cracked the master code. They didn't have FTL capability because the drives took damage from the attack drones. Also, it did not vaporize all of the attackers; only a few of the attacking were vaporized. Most of them are still out there.

Also, Stargate tends to leave minor holes and loose ends intentionally and then fill them in during the next couple episodes to leave the viewers interested. Additionally, they do not think we are stupid. If they did, they would fill in every tiny detail for us. Some of it we are supposed to answer on our own.

Mozzza
December 3rd, 2010, 05:02 PM
Being a mid-season finale, I was rather disappointed by this episode. There were too many plot holes and way too many conveniences.

How did Telford find the Destiny? Wasn't he in an entirely different galaxy? How did he manage to time his arrival just seconds before their would-be demise? And if the aliens that were with Telford were so peaceful then why the hell were they firing on all the crew before Telford got stuck with them? Or are we just supposed to assume that the alien pods' neural interfaces made Telford an evil, untrustworthy alien mind himself? How on earth can we assume that when the neural interface that Rush used on a different alien race kept him completely sane and himself?]

The biggest plot hole was when they went into the star. They couldn't fire up their FTL engines, but a star that wasn't there before now appears out of nowhere and they can conveniently just fire up their sub-light engines and fly right into it, vaporizing their attackers. How [email protected]#$%g convenient. Did anybody in the back room writing this stuff even ponder for one moment just how on earth these details are supposed to be explained? Just how stupid do the writers think we are?

Sure, there was plenty of action here, lots of interesting dialog, and an interesting new arc working its way into the series. But SG-U is really starting to lose my respect with these ridiculous plot holes. It completely takes away the fun of the show when the believability is vaporized because so many ridiculously convenient or inexplicable things are going on all at once.

EDIT: Removed 1-3 as they had been answered above.

4/5 - How did the aliens know we were peaceful? Did you expect the aliens to allow us to take all their power?!?
6 - Why does Telford have to be evil because he's teamed with the Ursini? Things aren't that black and white.
7 - What does this have to do with Resurgence? But overall, the ancients (from what I've read) aren't that biologically different to us.
8 - If there wasn't a star, then why was there such an amount of light on the ships to begin with? Though, I do think it was a bad production choice not to show the star earlier.

Sorry that you're losing respect for the show, hopefully these responses have helped you connect some dots and see that the writers aren't stupid after all.

sgc
December 3rd, 2010, 05:10 PM
EDIT: Removed 1-3 as they had been answered above.

4/5 - How did the aliens know we were peaceful? Did you expect the aliens to allow us to take all their power?!?
6 - Why does Telford have to be evil because he's teamed with the Ursini? Things aren't that black and white.
7 - What does this have to do with Resurgence? But overall, the ancients (from what I've read) aren't that biologically different to us.
8 - If there wasn't a star, then why was there such an amount of light on the ships to begin with? Though, I do think it was a bad production choice not to show the star earlier.

Sorry that you're losing respect for the show, hopefully these responses have helped you connect some dots and see that the writers aren't stupid after all.

4-5) They didn't. They can refuel the ship now, so it's not permanently taking all their power. If they do it with a star close enough, they can refuel it and it'll be full again.

6) He doesn't.

8) Are you sure they didn't even show it earlier?

Mozzza
December 3rd, 2010, 05:15 PM
4-5) They didn't. They can refuel the ship now, so it's not permanently taking all their power. If they do it with a star close enough, they can refuel it and it'll be full again.

6) He doesn't.

8) Are you sure they didn't even show it earlier?

4/5 - I was replying to stimpy77 :P

6 - That was my point :P

8 - Yes. I'll double check again though, now. EDIT: Yes I'm sure, I cannot see any close star at all before they were told to follow Telford. I think that was a bad production choice.

BadOnion
December 3rd, 2010, 05:59 PM
Yes I'm sure, I cannot see any close star at all before they were told to follow Telford. I think that was a bad production choice.

There would have to be a nearby star or all those dead ships would have been dark and impossible to see.

garhkal
December 4th, 2010, 02:18 AM
Resurgence is number 8 in the US after being out for almost 2 days. GO SGU!

WOOHOOOOO!


Or the mines in The Serpent's Venom or Company of Thieves.

Forgot those two eps.


How do we know there aren't other seeder ships near by?

Unless seed ships are armed (which from what we have seen they don't seem to be), that would be pointless.


Being a mid-season finale, I was rather disappointed by this episode. There were too many plot holes and way too many conveniences.

When looked at logically, what you consider a plothole/contrivance are not.


Telford find the Destiny


Since the Seed ships and the Destiny share a subspace link, it is EASY for one to find the other. Just like we could find todd when needed due to the tracker in him.


he in an entirely different galaxy


Watch the damn episode again. Awakenings happened in THIS GALAXY.. we crossed from the last one to this in the Season 1 ep where Amanda perry was brought over from..


he manage to time his arrival just seconds before their would-be demise


He didn't. It was just scripted that way. No contrivance there.


were they firing on all the crew before Telford got stuck with them


Lets look at it shall wel..
You have your hole life stored up with/linked to pods that draw power from the ship you are in. Someone else strange comes in, and starts drawing power away. Would YOU Not shoot them?

xxxevilgrinxxx
December 4th, 2010, 09:44 AM
Being a mid-season finale, I was rather disappointed by this episode. There were too many plot holes and way too many conveniences.

How did Telford find the Destiny? Wasn't he in an entirely different galaxy? How did he manage to time his arrival just seconds before their would-be demise? And if the aliens that were with Telford were so peaceful then why the hell were they firing on all the crew before Telford got stuck with them? Or are we just supposed to assume that the alien pods' neural interfaces made Telford an evil, untrustworthy alien mind himself? How on earth can we assume that when the neural interface that Rush used on a different alien race kept him completely sane and himself?]

The biggest plot hole was when they went into the star. They couldn't fire up their FTL engines, but a star that wasn't there before now appears out of nowhere and they can conveniently just fire up their sub-light engines and fly right into it, vaporizing their attackers. How [email protected]#$%g convenient. Did anybody in the back room writing this stuff even ponder for one moment just how on earth these details are supposed to be explained? Just how stupid do the writers think we are?

Sure, there was plenty of action here, lots of interesting dialog, and an interesting new arc working its way into the series. But SG-U is really starting to lose my respect with these ridiculous plot holes. It completely takes away the fun of the show when the believability is vaporized because so many ridiculously convenient or inexplicable things are going on all at once.

[respoilered the above, for brevity]

I didn't see any plot holes. Because you don't get something doesn't make it a plot hole :)

Finding the Destiny when you're aboard a seed ship that's tied in to Destiny and in the same galaxy shouldn't be all that hard. Arrival at the last minute? That has been known to happen in the past and not just in the land of science fiction either. It was exciting as it could have been anybody coming in, an enemy, another bunch of aliens, anybody. It's cool that it was Telford. Peaceful? Based on what? I think it's a stretch to say that the Ursini are peaceful based on what we've seen of them so far. I think we simply don't know enough and I wouldn't trust Telford on the matter. Part of that is because I don't trust Telford but it's also that there is no way to gauge the truthfulness of what he believes he's learned. I do think it's pretty interesting that the two races use a neural interface but that's probably just me :)

I don't think a star just magically appeared so much as it wasn't needed in the shot before then and so wasn't shown. Convenient? Sure, probably, but not a plot hole. It's hardly inexplicable and I don't think the writers think we're stupid at all, or they would show it by taking us by the hand and talking us through all the minutiae so that they could be assured that we got it. They haven't done that, because they expect us to get it.

Stormtrooper
December 4th, 2010, 10:52 AM
Fast-paced, action-packed episode, but there were just too many plot holes/contrivances for my taste (Destiny detecting energy signature, but not the seeder ship which was nearby; sun coming out of nowhere; Destiny's uber shields succumbing to half a dozen drones even though the ship had just replenished its energy reserves, etc.). No big pay-off either due to the annoying cliffhanger. Young has to be the most uninspired starship captain ever. District 9 aliens strike again... How stupid are Young and Rush, eh? Fool me once, shame you; fool me twice, shame on the writers. They might as well transfer command of the ship to Augment Chloe. She's far more intelligent and better looking.

Mozzza
December 4th, 2010, 02:38 PM
Fast-paced, action-packed episode, but there were just too many plot holes/contrivances for my taste (Destiny detecting energy signature, but not the seeder ship which was nearby; sun coming out of nowhere; Destiny's uber shields succumbing to half a dozen drones even though the ship had just replenished its energy reserves, etc.). No big pay-off either due to the annoying cliffhanger. Young has to be the most uninspired starship captain ever. District 9 aliens strike again... How stupid are Young and Rush, eh? Fool me once, shame you; fool me twice, shame on the writers. They might as well transfer command of the ship to Augment Chloe. She's far more intelligent and better looking.

Destiny didn't see the seed ship because they were in FTL. The sun was always there, otherwise the scene would have been very dark (though, I do agree, bad production choice not to show the sun in any of the scenes - they also had time constraints for such a big storyline)

Jumper_One
December 4th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Hey, thanks for the input on Resurgence, the first part of the big mid-season two-parter. I had a somewhat easier time writing this one than Awakening (#214). Anyway, some random thoughts on the episode -

I particularly enjoyed this one because it allowed for opportunities for humor. When Volker says “Are you kidding? That’s exactly how you judge a neighborhood.”, he’s actually channeling yours truly. I’m really enjoying writing for some of the supporting players (specifically, the geek squad of Brody, Park, and Volker) and they really shined in this episode. More terrific little moments for them to come in the back half (see #216, The Hunt).

Paul complained it was too subtle, but did anyone else catch the the 2001 reference in Eli’s “big black monolith orbiting a planet” line?

We’ve established a burgeoning friendship between Wray and Eli (Faith, Pathogen), so I figured Wray would be the best person to approach Eli about his recent loss. It was an issue that needed to be addressed, one that would, no doubt, deeply affect someone like Eli. I thought it was particularly interesting to imagine the scenario he refers to, his whole world being distilled down to less than a hundred people in a confined space, and how any change in said scenario would be greatly magnified. In retrospect, even though he avoids talking about his true feelings, Eli demonstrates incredible emotional strength in the face of tragedy.

Scott is his own worst enemy, something we came to learn in Cloverdale, and as much as he may want to do the right thing, his own subconscious may betray him – as is this case here where he outwardly insists he’ll support Chloe only to have her point out that he’s already started pulling away from her. When the time comes to make the hard decision, will he be able to step up and be honest with both her and himself?

Loved exploiting the interplay between these two very different characters, the uptight Brody and the calm and collected Greer. Love the look on Brody’s face when Greer throws him the ominous “Too quiet” line.

Also, love the obvious chemistry between Varro and T.J. As much as I love Young as a character, I think he’s bad for her. But, of course, Everett disagrees – which will make for some interesting dramatic developments later this season.

“Either that or pie’s done. Nope. Simulation.” Seriously, love the plethora of dings, bleeps, beeps, and whistles that pepper SF shows.

This onscreen battle sequence was incredibly tricky to pull off, but the boys in playback did an amazing job creating a simulation that helped tell the story. Some (aka my writing partner Paul) didn’t think it could be done!

Awesome space battle courtesy Mark Savela and his uber-talented VFX team.

I was toying with various ultimately unsatisfactory scenarios for how Destiny manages to shake the drones, but it was only after exchanging emails with our Creative Consultant, John Scalzi, that the solution presented itself. I wrote John: “I was sitting at my desk agonizing over my latest Stargate outline when it suddenly hit me. Hey, why don’t I share the love and have John agonize over it as well. [I explain the premise]. Thoughts? And, no we can’t have space dolphins magically appear and surround Destiny. I already pitched that out and, for some reason, Brad wasn’t enthused. I think maybe Battlestar already did it.” To which John replied: “First, this show’s bias against space dolphins SICKENS me and always has. [...] But I did think of something along that might work for your purposes; Destiny, as you know, has the singular ability to dive into a star. Why not have it attacked and then take refuge inside the local star?” I imagined the cool visual of those pursuing drones flaming out and was immediately sold.

Rush’s Darth Vader speech to Eli. Things come to a bit of an emotional head for Eli here and he receives a boost from, of all people, Rush. What’s Rush’s game? Clearly, he needs Eli to be on his game and he sees a lot of exploitable potential in the boy – yet the advice he offers Eli is as much an insight into his character as Eli’s. When he says “I’m sure you were so blinded by rage you imagined getting revenge on the man who killed her, besting the bully on his terms. But even if you had, it wouldn’t have changed a damn thing. You’d wake up every morning and she’d still be dead.”, he’s not only dousing Eli with cold reality, but offering a glimpse into his own vulnerabilities. It wouldn’t have changed a damn thing and he should know because he did best the bully and it didn’t change a damn thing. I love writing Rush when he’s indirect, unfathomable in his motivations. Is he motivated by empathy here or is his motivation self-serving? Check out a parallel bridge scene in episode #214, The Hunt, and get back to me.

Chloe’s lightning quick and painful looking take-down of the Corporal Baras courtesy of James “Bam Bam” Bamford.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/december-4-2010-tokyo-prep-resurgence-mailbag/

nx01a
December 5th, 2010, 07:14 AM
Speaking of Chloe's fighting and having just seen Serenity again, I couldn't help but notice some similarity between Chloe and River Tam: young, cute and unassuming girls who zone out and kick @$$ and/or use computers.

J-Whitt Remastered
December 5th, 2010, 10:24 AM
Paul complained it was too subtle, but did anyone else catch the the 2001 reference in Eli’s “big black monolith orbiting a planet” line?

Subtle? About as subtle as a hammer to the head. Lol.

xxxevilgrinxxx
December 5th, 2010, 01:06 PM
Resurgence Review [SGU 210]
By xxxevilgrinxxx | Published: December 5, 2010 | crossposted at my personal blog


When the crew first arrived aboard Destiny, all of their will was focused on survival and getting home. That was their mission. Then, in "Awakening" when they come across the seed ship, there was a glimmer of hope that with the power from that ship, they could conceivably dial the gate and reach home. In "The Greater Good", we learned of Destiny's mission and, with the seed ship long gone and no realistic way to get home, the crew poured all of their efforts into Destiny's mission, as a way to fulfil their own. Given what Rush has done in his drive to fulfil Destiny's mission, you've got to wonder why he would wish to step off Destiny's set course for anything, for any length of time.

Unless he knows something and, in typical Rush fashion, isn't telling anyone else about it. When Rush had previously boarded the seed ship ["Awakening"], he accessed the console for a time. Whether by the seed ship itself or by the Ursini, Rush was first stunned, possibly to prevent him from further access, and then the boarding party was driven from the seed ship, leaving Telford behind. In "The Greater Good", Rush uncharacteristically insisted on boarding the Ursini ship, despite the very real fear that Young could have stranded him on the ship. And now in "Resurgence", it is again the signal from an Ursini ship that has Rush insist that the Destiny go off course. Across three separate episodes, the Destiny has encountered the Ursini and each time, Rush has done something uncharacteristic in order to gain something from them.

The Ursini, like the Blues and the Planet Builders, are an unknown to us. We share no language, written or oral. While there is a possibility that the Ursini and the Blues have some understanding of Ancient, all that we have to base this on is where the two races have interconnected with the path of the Destiny. From previous encounters, the crew has every reason to believe that the Blues wanted the Destiny and had been following it for some time. They appeared to be hostile, a threat, dangerous. The Ursini, on the other hand, appear to be gentle, timid, nonthreatening and, when Telford returns to the Destiny, he claims that the Ursini aren't hostile and didn't harm him. But how do we know? With no language to share and no history to know, how do we know anything about either of them? All we're left with is impressions, based on applying human motivations to an alien species.

One thing that the Ursini and the Blues appear to share is a powerful interest in the Destiny. The Blues were willing to chase the Destiny across a galaxy, attempting and failing numerous times to board. In Rush and Chloe, they have tried to track and possibly infiltrate the Destiny crew. Have the Ursini, in their own way, found a way to seize the Destiny?

The original signal was bait to lure the Destiny off course and into a position where the drones could attack. Although the shuttle moved through the debris field, the drones didn't appear to engage the shuttle in any way and even when the Destiny came under attack, the shuttle was free to move about, eventually managing to dock without incident. It appeared as though the drones only targeted the Destiny. It could be that the shuttle was simply too small to draw the interest of the drones but I tend to believe that the Destiny was lured there, precisely to target and weaken it. In the nick of time, Telford and the Ursini arrive and make an offer of aid and, interestingly enough, the drones didn't appear to be targetting the seed ship either. Not surprisingly, that offer of aid proves to be a trap, delivering an already weakened Destiny right to the doorstep of the drone command ship.

It comes down to a matter of whom to trust.

Between Rush and Young, there will never be a comfortable trust. Rush is clearly seeking something from the Ursini, given that this is the third encounter where Rush has acted uncharacteristically in order to gain information. Young, while willing to keep options open and expand them as the situation changes, has not given up on the ability to dial home, all of Rush's plans be damned. Then there's the fact that Rush continues to disappear when needed, and he's unable to explain where he's been.

There is Telford, a man who only recently had been a traitor tied to the Lucian Alliance and who has now come forward with a fantastic tale and very little to back it up with.

There are the Ursini, a race that we know nothing at all about. We don't know their language, their history, or their motivations. We don't know what they've possibly done to Telford or what they hope to gain. All we have are assumptions based upon our own flawed notion that the race is peaceful and not a threat to us.

Lastly, there is Chloe. While Chloe is changing into something that could possibly be very dangerous, she is more of a known than all the others that the Destiny faces and in the end, she may save them all, providing there is enough of Chloe left to guide her actions. Escaping her containment with ease, Chloe displays that she is dangerous. It also displays that she likely could have done so for some time, and did not. Kept apprised by Scott and Eli of what is going on, as well as being able to see outside the ship, she states that the Ursini cannot be trusted. She wants to help. How much of this is what the Blues have possibly done to her and how much is Chloe herself, only time will tell but I believe that when the second part of "Resurgence" airs after the break, that the crew will have Chloe to thank for saving them. The cost of being saved will be another matter.

That their lives may ultimately rest in Chloe's hands brings an interesting point to light: In "Trial and Error", was the ship looking to test Young's battle/leadership abilities or was it testing his willingness to either keep or get rid of Chloe?

Other points of note

Stargate Universe has excelled in its imagery from moment one and "Resurgence" doesn't fail. The battleship graveyard WAS spooky in itself but when the crew goes out to the observation deck, there's an opportunity to see it from the crew's perspective, as one of the crew. The jump from shuttle to Ursini ship could have been sped up or even dropped altogether but visually, it ramped up the peril faced by the crew, as well as the trust they have to have in each other. I never get tired of watching Destiny dive into a star, something that has stood out for me as one of the most visually stunning clips not only in SGU but in a great list of sci-fi episodes. Getting to see both the seed ship and Destiny shake off a bunch of drones by diving into a star? Epic.

There is a side story dealing with the triangle of TJ, Varro and Young. TJ, at least in her affair with Young, appears to be drawn to older, confident men in a position of power. While the events with Simeon and the fact that Varro knew what he was like the whole time and said nothing to Young appear to have cooled her jets, is Varro continuing to get under her skin, targeting her where she is vulnerable? With Varro in the infirmary at the end, I hope that he proves to be a better man than I fear he is. Only time will tell but, like Telford, I don't trust him.

There were too many humorous moments in this episode to list them all but I'm finding that with the 'bridge crew' appearing to solidify, that the banter is coming along nicely as well. Eli continues to offer geek references, with mention of the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey and a possible reference to a Star Trek episode where Spock ordered the computer to compute pi to the last digit in order to keep the baddie from seizing control of the computer with "pi is done". Bad neighbourhoods and bat signals.

Lastly, there is Eli dealing, or not dealing, with his grief. Of all of those aboard destiny, Eli has the least experience in dealing with not only being in the physical location they are in but in dealing with what is going on with his heart. I don't see the conversation about Rush doing much to alleviate that burden, as Rush appeared to be talking more about himself than about Eli. Admonishing Eli about wasting his potential doesn't appear to be the way to reach him and Rush's casual cruelty has the effect of pushing Eli away. One thing that struck me upon listening to Rush's speech was that he wasn't simply talking about Perry being taken away from him, but that there was an undertone of having the destiny taken away from him, by someone bigger and stronger, and not being able to do a thing to stop it.

Rating: 8 1/2 out of 10

J-Whitt Remastered
December 5th, 2010, 03:28 PM
Resurgence Review [SGU 210]
By xxxevilgrinxxx | Published: December 5, 2010 | crossposted at my personal blog
*SNIPPED*
Rating: 8 1/2 out of 10

Very good review. Thanks.

xxxevilgrinxxx
December 5th, 2010, 03:46 PM
Very good review. Thanks.

thanks :)

Perelandra
December 5th, 2010, 05:50 PM
Good review! I always look forward to reading your reviews.

Mozzza
December 5th, 2010, 05:55 PM
I just realised an answer to a question I keep reading:

Why/How did Telford drop out of FTL just in time to save Destiny?
Because Eli used Destiny's broadcast capabilities to send out a message.

garhkal
December 6th, 2010, 03:44 AM
When did eli program in that?

J-Whitt Remastered
December 6th, 2010, 04:25 AM
Yeah. I don't remember anything like that in the episode.

nx01a
December 6th, 2010, 08:13 AM
Right after the whole "Ancient, English, Bat Signal" line from Young, I'd imagine.

J-Whitt Remastered
December 6th, 2010, 08:43 AM
Right after the whole "Ancient, English, Bat Signal" line from Young, I'd imagine.

Yeah, he sent a message to the drones. There's nothing there to indicate that he sent a message to anyone/anything else. Nothing I can see anyway.

Wib
December 6th, 2010, 10:10 AM
I knew Telford would return at some point, but not in this one, so when the seed ship dropped out of FTL and i heard Telford's voice i had a massive top of my head falling off type smile across my face. Is there ANY chance of having only a short break this time and not months?

morbosfist
December 6th, 2010, 10:34 AM
Probably not. They need to run through their Christmas events, so April is likely when it's coming back. Just like last year.

sgc
December 6th, 2010, 01:57 PM
I just realised an answer to a question I keep reading:

Why/How did Telford drop out of FTL just in time to save Destiny?
Because Eli used Destiny's broadcast capabilities to send out a message.

My answer is that the seed ship and Destiny already communicate with each other. The seed ship already knew where Destiny was; it was just a matter of being able to catch up with it.

Mozzza
December 6th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Yeah, he sent a message to the drones. There's nothing there to indicate that he sent a message to anyone/anything else. Nothing I can see anyway.

Young said to broadcast a message, they never specified to who.


My answer is that the seed ship and Destiny already communicate with each other. The seed ship already knew where Destiny was; it was just a matter of being able to catch up with it.

That's also possible, but why didn't Destiny ever see the seed ship? - FTL?

sgc
December 6th, 2010, 04:55 PM
Young said to broadcast a message, they never specified to who.



That's also possible, but why didn't Destiny ever see the seed ship? - FTL?

He did specify to the attackers in order to call off the attack. Doing so may have triggered Destiny to signal the seed ship again, but Telford said that they have been trying to catch up with them, indicating that the seed ship knows where Destiny is, but was always a step behind, until they changed course.

It may also be possible that:

(1) Destiny didn't find it important to tell them (I doubt that)
(2) They weren't looking or were too busy fighting
(3) The seed ship was in FTL and Destiny was not.

J-Whitt Remastered
December 6th, 2010, 05:21 PM
He did specify to the attackers in order to call off the attack. Doing so may have triggered Destiny to signal the seed ship again, but Telford said that they have been trying to catch up with them, indicating that the seed ship knows where Destiny is, but was always a step behind, until they changed course.

It may also be possible that:

(1) Destiny didn't find it important to tell them (I doubt that)
(2) They weren't looking or were too busy fighting
(3) The seed ship was in FTL and Destiny was not.

This.

Mozzza
December 6th, 2010, 11:33 PM
He did specify to the attackers in order to call off the attack. Doing so may have triggered Destiny to signal the seed ship again, but Telford said that they have been trying to catch up with them, indicating that the seed ship knows where Destiny is, but was always a step behind, until they changed course.

It may also be possible that:

(1) Destiny didn't find it important to tell them (I doubt that)
(2) They weren't looking or were too busy fighting
(3) The seed ship was in FTL and Destiny was not.

True, I guess we'll find out come ep 11.

garhkal
December 7th, 2010, 04:07 AM
Though the destiny CAN receive subspace signals in FTL otherwise how would it know to drop out for a gate connection.

sgc
December 7th, 2010, 02:26 PM
Though the destiny CAN receive subspace signals in FTL otherwise how would it know to drop out for a gate connection.

However, that is through the Stargate, which has a different subspace connection. Communications are most likely a completely different entity.

garhkal
December 8th, 2010, 03:11 AM
While i can understand the gate may be onn a 'different connection; why would they be a different entity to the connection that the comms use?

akill10
December 8th, 2010, 12:53 PM
While i can understand the gate may be onn a 'different connection; why would they be a different entity to the connection that the comms use?


Think of how things are here. Radio/Satellites/phone lines all separate entities that basically are used for the same thing. Comms :)

Matt G
December 8th, 2010, 03:08 PM
1. New bad guys. Hmmmm...

2. New allies! :) I'm giving the Ursini the benefit of the doubt at the moment.

3. I am not however giving Chloe the benefit of the doubt. She is clearly starting to submit to her Blue self both physically and mentally. I reckon she's telling people the Ursini can't be trusted purely because the Blues have bad history with them and she's the reason they're in this mess. Whatever she's done it won't have been good.

4. Interesting to see Rush trying to bond with Eli. Can he be trusted? Not sure.

Things are certainly interesting.

sgc
December 8th, 2010, 09:26 PM
1. New bad guys. Hmmmm...

2. New allies! :) I'm giving the Ursini the benefit of the doubt at the moment.

3. I am not however giving Chloe the benefit of the doubt. She is clearly starting to submit to her Blue self both physically and mentally. I reckon she's telling people the Ursini can't be trusted purely because the Blues have bad history with them and she's the reason they're in this mess. Whatever she's done it won't have been good.

4. Interesting to see Rush trying to bond with Eli. Can he be trusted? Not sure.

Things are certainly interesting.

Can he be trusted? NO. Will we? Probably. Does he deserve the benefit of the doubt? Maybe.

garhkal
December 9th, 2010, 02:45 AM
Think of how things are here. Radio/Satellites/phone lines all separate entities that basically are used for the same thing. Comms :)

I guess.. but many use different means. The stones and the ship both use subspace.