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GateWorld
October 15th, 2010, 03:24 PM
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Magnus is trapped inside an abandoned building with a deadly assailant with teleportation abilities, who demands her help in locating the hidden city.

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hedwig
November 26th, 2010, 09:05 PM
Well, I for one very much enjoyed the episode. I thought Ian Tracey was marvelous. We got a few pieces of information about him and how he and Helen knew each other and why he hates her so much. And it appears he will appear again in a future episode (or more than one episode).

Amanda was pretty amazing with all the fighting skills she showed off. I cringed several times when Adam was kicking and punching her, and sort of cheered when Helen started really fighting back.

I don't know if this really belongs in a spoiler, but we find out that Adam is the one who sent those two all white characters in the episode where Will was attempting to remember what happened to him when he "died".

And then there's interesting information about Gregory and his possible whereabouts, and more information about the "hollow earth" arc.

This just gets more interesting all the time.

On a little side note, I'm really not liking the new theme music. For me it's too jarring and intrusive when it is played. Oh well. :)

AresLover452
November 26th, 2010, 09:07 PM
WOW!!! that is all I have to say.... WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!

OHMYFRAKKINGGODS!!!

Helen so rocked in this episode!! she was amazing and I loved to see her fighting.

Jacquelyn
November 26th, 2010, 09:09 PM
WOW!!! that is all I have to say.... WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!

OHMYFRAKKINGGODS!!!

Helen so rocked in this episode!! she was amazing and I loved to see her fighting.

I totally agree! :D She was freakin amazing! I imagine that was painful in the show to get beaten up all those times. :O

mandogater
November 26th, 2010, 09:09 PM
I loved this episodes!! Every fight scene was great and I loved how Helen found ways to use anything and everything she found.
The more little tidbits we get about the holomap and the city it shows they more excited I get about finally seeing it.

Rocky89
November 26th, 2010, 09:14 PM
http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae118/Rocky89_05/Helen_claps-1.gifhttp://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae118/Rocky89_05/Helen_claps-1.gifhttp://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae118/Rocky89_05/Helen_claps-1.gif Holy BEST Sanctuary episode ever, Batman!!! :D

This episode was without question, without a doubt, THE BEST SANCTUARY EPISODE EVER!!! I was actually talking to the TV and cheering Helen on and telling her to look out, I even cheered at the end. :) :p Where do I start, I kinda thought this would be like Next Thursday, where it starts at in the middle or the end or something, and then after the credits, it actually starts at the beginning and works its way up to the point in which the episode started. ;) I I liked that it started with Helen, Will and Kate going through the tunnels, and then they find nothing. I really started getting nervous when the door shut on Helen, and I knew something bad was going to happen when she couldn't break the glass by doing anything. Her walking alone was creepy, the tome was so quiet and creepy, and BOOM the dude came out of nowhere and started beating on her. I was quite nervous, because I didn't know how far it would go, I mean he just kept on beating her, and he wouldn't let up, but then she comes back and starts taking him on. ;)

This episode had everything for me, action, excitement, fun, fighting... wet Helen. :p:o I'm still not a big whump fan, but damn, this was some crazy stuff. ;) Really, every time he hit her, I was so nervous, I was like: "No, don't hurt her" and I could tell she was scared at times, but she still pulled through. I LOVED the fight sequences, they had me at the edge of my seat, and I think they were brilliantly done, the moves with the pool, the hammer and that ninja weapon was awesome. At one point Helen did a move that reminded me of a move that Stallone did in the Expendables. :p I never knew Helen had such amazing moves, she really knows how to kick butt, I loved seeing her use her skills and smarts to beat him, and I loved her "Stop hitting me" line. ;) I also like the "You still hit like a girl" line. :p I can't believe that dude called her those 3 bad names, this is worse than Sleepers. :p I also liked learning more about him/them and what made... them what they are. I thought it was nice of Helen to want to help "Adam", I guess she thinks he's innocent, and can't stop his dark side.

Another thing I loved about the episode was the science behind it, how the dude used those devices to effect time, it creeped me out every time Helen looked at a window and I liked the call out to the Five. One thing I thought would really anger Helen was when he brought up Ash, but I'm glad it didn't make her lose focus. Helen getting shocked by that device surprised me, but it did help her find a weakness, and I knew she was on to something when she went back to that room and started coming up with a plan. The rooftop scene was cool, seeing Will and Kate down there like that was freaky, I had wondered why Helen covered her face did that at the start, and then after we saw that he needs to cover himself doing that zip thing, and I thought it was cool how she ran to him screaming and jumped him, and the rift thing was cool. After she had it him down, I wanted Helen to beat him senseless, and I actually cheered when she stabbed him. But in the end, I knew it wasn't in her nature to let him die, and I hope that together they can uncover the secrets of the stones.


I think Amanda really went all out in this episode, physically and mentally, and every I think Amanda and Ian did SUPER great, the episode was amazing from start to finish, every scene, every frame was great, the acting and was superb and I think we both learned a lot about them in this episode, and I I think this episode will give fans what they want. :) Overall, BEST episode of Sanctuary so far, IMO. :) I'll talk more about it in my replies. :)

Jacquelyn
November 26th, 2010, 09:15 PM
I loved this episodes!! Every fight scene was great and I loved how Helen found ways to use anything and everything she found.
The more little tidbits we get about the holomap and the city it shows they more excited I get about finally seeing it.

Yea I loved that too :D She is witty on coming up with things to fight with. I also find it fascinating that he was trying to hint to her of who he was. And that it revolves around the hologram city.


This episode was without question, without a doubt, THE BEST SANCTUARY EPISODE EVER!!! I was actually talking to the TV and cheering Helen on and telling her to look out, I even cheered at the end. :)

LOL yea I was trying to tell my family to "shhhh!" while i was watching the ep. cuz i didnt want to miss anything :P

Emengee
November 26th, 2010, 09:23 PM
First off, I ADORED this ep! Amanda was awesome with her fighting skills and I was very much in awe of her skills. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time and my dad (who doesn't watch the show, but has seen Nubbins and frequently calls them tribbles) even enjoyed it! (with the side comment that i watch some weird shows...)

This is a major spoiler! Do not read if you don't want to know!

I read a spoiler somewhere that Adam became sick when he started time jumping, some sort of radiation poisoning, and that is why he wants to get into the city. Because Helen jumped with him she is now sick with the same thing and has to find a cure by finding Hollow Earth.

Oh.. And is anyone else wondering what the heck Kate's Joke was?!

Jacquelyn
November 26th, 2010, 09:26 PM
First off, I ADORED this ep! Amanda was awesome with her fighting skills and I was very much in awe of her skills. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time and my dad (who doesn't watch the show, but has seen Nubbins and frequently calls them tribbles) even enjoyed it! (with the side comment that i watch some weird shows...)

This is a major spoiler! Do not read if you don't want to know!

I read a spoiler somewhere that Adam became sick when he started time jumping, some sort of radiation poisoning, and that is why he wants to get into the city. Because Helen jumped with him she is now sick with the same thing and has to find a cure by finding Hollow Earth.

Oh.. And is anyone else wondering what the heck Kate's Joke was?!

OMG!!! AHH! That's gonna be interesting to watch. But I hope they find "Hollow Earth" o_o

And.. yes I'm curious at what her joke was :P

EvenstarSRV
November 26th, 2010, 09:39 PM
A very enjoyable episode. The banter between Will, Kate, and Helen reminded me a bit of their dynamic from Bank Job, though now I'm wondering what that amazing knock-knock joke of Kate's was.

I thought Ian Tracey as Adam was fantastic, he played the dual personalities very well. My only complaint is that it was rather difficult to understand him when he talked so quickly with that mask on. But the cat and mouse between him and Helen was nicely done as well as all the fight sequences, good job by AT, IT and the stunt team.

I look forward to the payoff of some of those hints dropped about their shared history and the hologram city and those keystones. I esp can't wait to find out why Helen was ordered to kill him and how he knows so much about Gregory and the city. This was a real game-changer episode for the show.

LadyGalaxyJ
November 26th, 2010, 09:41 PM
I was blown away by tonight's episode. Seriously.

I can't even describe the state of mind I'm in at the moment. I feel like cheering, crying, running around, yelling, hitting something. AHHHHH.

So, for this post to be at least a bit constructive, I'll say that I agree with what Rocky said. ;):D

Oh and, Amanda is amazing.
But that we know. ;P

blazingfire
November 26th, 2010, 09:58 PM
This was truely amazing. Just amazing.
I can't express any words on how fantastic this episode was.
And more Stargate references add to that (subspace, anyone?)

Rocky89
November 26th, 2010, 10:12 PM
Well, I for one very much enjoyed the episode. I thought Ian Tracey was marvelous. We got a few pieces of information about him and how he and Helen knew each other and why he hates her so much. And it appears he will appear again in a future episode (or more than one episode).

Amanda was pretty amazing with all the fighting skills she showed off. I cringed several times when Adam was kicking and punching her, and sort of cheered when Helen started really fighting back.

I don't know if this really belongs in a spoiler, but we find out that Adam is the one who sent those two all white characters in the episode where Will was attempting to remember what happened to him when he "died".

And then there's interesting information about Gregory and his possible whereabouts, and more information about the "hollow earth" arc.

This just gets more interesting all the time.

On a little side note, I'm really not liking the new theme music. For me it's too jarring and intrusive when it is played. Oh well. :)

I got so nervous every time she was hit, I actually wanted it to stop, I was that nervous. :p I've rarely cheered out loud when watching something, and it only happens when it's Amanda related. :p At the end I actually stood up and cheered. :o:p

But yeah, while it was awesome, I hope to never see this kind of Helen whumping for a long time. :p I'm still in disbelieve that he called her those names. :p


I totally agree! :D She was freakin amazing! I imagine that was painful in the show to get beaten up all those times. :O

Tell me about it, here's an interview where Amanda talked about how hard it was shooting

Interviewer: I'm looking forward to the episode with the torture and you go through the wringer...

Amanda: [joking] Holy Moly! Damian Kindler hates me! [Laughter]

Amanda: [muffled] Damian has a vendetta and he does it in a very not so subtle, let's write a crazy script kinda way. Yeah, it's a biggie. We talked about it but it's... I get beaten up in this one episode called Breach and we shot it at Riverview Psychiatric Hospital and it was very cold and we were in the tunnel and we found a dead rat, it was wet and I was soaking wet and fighting. We had fight sequences and I did a lot of my own stunts and I use a chain and I had a machete and a hammer fight, I was... it was just nuts what I was doing and yeah I got, I really go beaten up. I actually got thrown up against a wall at one point and it took me about three months to release my neck, so I look like this [laughter] for a few of the episodes. But it was really fun. Yeah I went home every night feeling I worked today.


I was blown away by tonight's episode. Seriously.

I can't even describe the state of mind I'm in at the moment. I feel like cheering, crying, running around, yelling, hitting something. AHHHHH.

So, for this post to be at least a bit constructive, I'll say that I agree with what Rocky said. ;):D

Oh and, Amanda is amazing.
But that we know. ;P

Hehe, thanks for the meantion. :p Helen VS "Adam" was almost as awesome as Rocky VS Drago. :D

AresLover452
November 27th, 2010, 12:18 AM
I totally agree! :D She was freakin amazing! I imagine that was painful in the show to get beaten up all those times. :O

I loved when she kicked in the face and said, "Stop hitting me!"

I loved that!!

Plus this was just brilliant and Amanda's part. She was fantastic. And being beaten up all day does tend to irritate and gets a little painful! Prop to AT for bearing this episode out!! She was AMAZING!!

siles
November 27th, 2010, 12:18 AM
Amanda was brilliant in this episode, but I was much more impressed with how well Ian played the 2 personalities - hope we'll see him again in future episodes

jasminaGo
November 27th, 2010, 12:43 AM
Holy Mother of Bottle Episodes!

Best ep yet for me. It had action, mystery, background info, some questions were answered, more questions were asked, and it still brought the main story forward. Both Amanda and Ian were amazing (it really was refreshing to see a two people ep and not have those two people always be Helen with Will), the choreography in the fight was really well done (chains, pipes... I have a whole new appreciation for Amanda now), and I think I prefer Adam to Tesla now (same level of snark but so much better).
I could definitely get used to this "lets whump Helen" deal :o

AresLover452
November 27th, 2010, 12:48 AM
I think I prefer Adam to Tesla now (same level of snark but so much better).


plus he has the Hyde Factor.... which is kewl! And Awesome!!!

Loved when Helen said, "It was a book written in three days, high on cocaine."

lol!!

jasminaGo
November 27th, 2010, 12:54 AM
plus he has the Hyde Factor.... which is kewl! And Awesome!!!

Loved when Helen said, "It was a book written in three days, high on cocaine."

lol!!

Oh yeah, that was a good one! And there were so many more cool little scenes in this ep. Like Adam taking a bow and Helen kicking him in the face. Or the "Hologram for Helen Magnus! Oh, I'm Helen Magnus! Sign here please!" monologue.

I seriously love the MAD team :)

AresLover452
November 27th, 2010, 12:58 AM
Oh yeah, that was a good one! And there were so many more cool little scenes in this ep. Like Adam taking a bow and Helen kicking him in the face. Or the "Hologram for Helen Magnus! Oh, I'm Helen Magnus! Sign here please!" monologue.

I seriously love the MAD team :)

I loved her kicking him in the face.. or her giving him a beat down with the hammer she had scrounged up. I was "Damn!" Wow!! This was just one episode that will stick with you!

DutchIndeed
November 27th, 2010, 03:36 AM
Wow.
Sanctuary has the best bad guys. :D

Awesome ep!

atlantis_babe34
November 27th, 2010, 05:26 AM
two words!

Ian Tracy..... *luff*...... :D

Chelle DB
November 27th, 2010, 05:42 AM
OMG! Sanctuary Team - take a bow. Holy moses!! So much violence and I still even managed to chuckle a bit throughout. Well that just blew me away. And whoa - what a freakin ending - "Oh we're in trouble"...ya think!!!
Heard how it was gonna be a huge kick butt ep but ouch - I was kinda surprised Helen was walking after the beating she took.
Ian Tracy is wicked. Yep...best word I can think of to describe Ian's performance...is wicked!
But Amanda IMHO was...is the bees knees. I don't think there's anything that woman can't do. She just rocked...totally and utterly rocked.
It must have been awesome filming this ep...I really hope there's going to be something special on the dvd's when they come out.
So here we go again - a new story arc that's gonna rock our socks off. So the city and the white beastie dudes and Gregory Magnus all tie into it...and now this Jekyl & Hyde dude.
Loved Will's Mafia impersonation...lol'd at that a wee bit. :)
Will: "Katie".
Helen: "There's always a mystery"...I loved this little bit of fun between the three. :)
When those crates fell, the look on Helen's face was cool...almost like it spooked her and Amanda as well....coz it kinda spooked me. :P
I could almost hear Stewie from Family Guy when Adam was talking to Helen about the keystones in the city - so yeah, kinda had to laugh a bit at that point. :P
Loved watching Helen "MacGyver" a baton - very cool. :)
Hope we learn more about Adam's daughter and what happened to her.
Do you think maybe they have to travel to that canyon where Adam, fell into when Helen shot him all those years ago, to find the city...and perhaps Gregory too?
I wonder who "they" are that he talks about.
Brilliant brilliant episode - Amanda has just got to win a Gemini or Leo for this...too damn awesome. :)

KaKaCarter
November 27th, 2010, 05:47 AM
A very good episode. Ian Tracey was excellent as Jeckyll & Hyde. Hope we get to see more of the backstory leading up to her shooting him 100 yrs ago. Lots of interesting fight scenes and good dialogue. Enjoyed hyde's comment on preferring Tesla over Druitt. The only quibble i would have is with the ending which seemed a bit rushed.

MidwifeOnBoard
November 27th, 2010, 05:49 AM
I'm going to jump on board with the love for this episode.

For all the reasons stated above.

Helen Whump = love. Because she gives as good as she gets.

Helen & makeshift weapons? Whoa. Especially that chain. That was HAWT.

Directing: Go Martin. :) I LOVED that the colors were normal in the beginning and end, but that washed out green when time was stalled. Of course, I didn't realize that was the point until the end, but definitely totally cool.

Rewatching now. This is right up there with Requiem for me.

yamiinsane
November 27th, 2010, 05:50 AM
This episode was just as excellent as Animus! My jaw was in my lap the whole entire time. Not to mention I'm still quite speechless over the ep. Now I can't wait to see what happens...

MidwifeOnBoard
November 27th, 2010, 06:09 AM
Adam just said something like: "You could have saved her. You could have saved my daughter. Instead you left us with nothing." Before taunting her about Ashley. Anyone who is more familiar with the Jeckyl & Hyde story who can shed light on that? It's been YEARS since I've read it.

lordofseas
November 27th, 2010, 06:56 AM
I didn't really like this episode. *shrugs*

xPointOfOriginx
November 27th, 2010, 07:13 AM
I loved it, mostly because I loved seeing Magnus get whumped. He really smacked her about, but then she was totally cool hitting him the the pipe and swining that chain around.

Mandysg1
November 27th, 2010, 07:51 AM
When they said they raised the bar this season...boy did they ever! This episode was truly amazing. Damian really out did himself with the writing of this one; from Helen saying "Stop hitting me" during the intense fighting scene, to the scenes with Helen and Adam discussing things.

Kudos to Amanda and Ian, those two were amazing in how they pulled off the fighting scenes! I'm sure my expression during this episode was :eek: And having Helen asking for forgiveness, was truly poignant, at first she was using it as a diversion, but then when she really meant it, was a very heart felt.

I've always known Ian Tracey was a good actor, seeing him in Divinci's Inquest, but this episode just lets his talent shine along side Amanda's. Those two made this episode what it was...Amazing, and I look forward to seeing more of them in future episodes. :)

Rocky89
November 27th, 2010, 08:11 AM
I loved when she kicked in the face and said, "Stop hitting me!"

I loved that!!

Plus this was just brilliant and Amanda's part. She was fantastic. And being beaten up all day does tend to irritate and gets a little painful! Prop to AT for bearing this episode out!! She was AMAZING!!

That's what I was thinking too. :p I was nervous each time Helen got hit, which I think she got hit more in this one episode than Sam ever did on Stargate. But yeah, Amanda did an amazing job. :)


Holy Mother of Bottle Episodes!

Best ep yet for me. It had action, mystery, background info, some questions were answered, more questions were asked, and it still brought the main story forward. Both Amanda and Ian were amazing (it really was refreshing to see a two people ep and not have those two people always be Helen with Will), the choreography in the fight was really well done (chains, pipes... I have a whole new appreciation for Amanda now), and I think I prefer Adam to Tesla now (same level of snark but so much better).
I could definitely get used to this "lets whump Helen" deal :o

Well said, Jas. ;) It had some of the best action in a while, and still gave some good story into their backgrounds. :) I can imagine how long it took those fights sequences to do, but I'm so proud of Amanda doing most of her own stunts. I'm actually eager to her the podcast for this. :)


OMG! Sanctuary Team - take a bow. Holy moses!! So much violence and I still even managed to chuckle a bit throughout. Well that just blew me away. And whoa - what a freakin ending - "Oh we're in trouble"...ya think!!!
Heard how it was gonna be a huge kick butt ep but ouch - I was kinda surprised Helen was walking after the beating she took.
Ian Tracy is wicked. Yep...best word I can think of to describe Ian's performance...is wicked!
But Amanda IMHO was...is the bees knees. I don't think there's anything that woman can't do. She just rocked...totally and utterly rocked.
It must have been awesome filming this ep...I really hope there's going to be something special on the dvd's when they come out.
So here we go again - a new story arc that's gonna rock our socks off. So the city and the white beastie dudes and Gregory Magnus all tie into it...and now this Jekyl & Hyde dude.
Loved Will's Mafia impersonation...lol'd at that a wee bit. :)
Will: "Katie".
Helen: "There's always a mystery"...I loved this little bit of fun between the three. :)
When those crates fell, the look on Helen's face was cool...almost like it spooked her and Amanda as well....coz it kinda spooked me. :P
I could almost hear Stewie from Family Guy when Adam was talking to Helen about the keystones in the city - so yeah, kinda had to laugh a bit at that point. :P
Loved watching Helen "MacGyver" a baton - very cool. :)
Hope we learn more about Adam's daughter and what happened to her.
Do you think maybe they have to travel to that canyon where Adam, fell into when Helen shot him all those years ago, to find the city...and perhaps Gregory too?
I wonder who "they" are that he talks about.
Brilliant brilliant episode - Amanda has just got to win a Gemini or Leo for this...too damn awesome. :)

Very nicely said, Chelle. :) Hehe, now that I think about it, I guess his voice did kinda sound like Stewie. :p I loved Helen putting her skills to the test both physically and mentally to survive, and I can bet she was scared at times, being all alone, but I think she proved a lot in this episode, mostly of how smart she is, and that she can give as much as she can take. ;) I still hope we don't see a whump like that for a while though. :p

Oh, and I definitely agree, Amanda needs to get a Leo or Gemini nom, or both. :D


I'm going to jump on board with the love for this episode.

For all the reasons stated above.

Helen Whump = love. Because she gives as good as she gets.

Helen & makeshift weapons? Whoa. Especially that chain. That was HAWT.

Directing: Go Martin. :) I LOVED that the colors were normal in the beginning and end, but that washed out green when time was stalled. Of course, I didn't realize that was the point until the end, but definitely totally cool.

Rewatching now. This is right up there with Requiem for me.

Nice. ;) I loved that this episode made me nervous and excited at the same time, I knew things were going to start happening once that door shut on Helen, and when she couldn't get out, but the will fear didn't start until the whumping started. :p

Who else found it a little creepy when Helen kept looking out the windows? I don't know why, but I just found those moments a little scary because they were so quiet and really made me feel like she was alone.

Rocky89
November 27th, 2010, 08:18 AM
When they said they raised the bar this season...boy did they ever! This episode was truly amazing. Damian really out did himself with the writing of this one; from Helen saying "Stop hitting me" during the intense fighting scene, to the scenes with Helen and Adam discussing things.

Kudos to Amanda and Ian, those two were amazing in how they pulled off the fighting scenes! I'm sure my expression during this episode was :eek: And having Helen asking for forgiveness, was truly poignant, at first she was using it as a diversion, but then when she really meant it, was a very heart felt.

I've always known Ian Tracey was a good actor, seeing him in Divinci's Inquest, but this episode just lets his talent shine along side Amanda's. Those two made this episode what it was...Amazing, and I look forward to seeing more of them in future episodes. :)

The episode exceeded my expectations, I was hoping that there would be more Helen fighting than whumping, but I think it was about even. :p Again, the "Stop hitting me" line was what I was thinking too, and I still can't believe Adam called her those names. :p

I think Helen asking for forgiveness was nice, and I could see she was sorry for what happened, and I was kinda hoping she would have left him there to go up with the building, but that's not Helen's way. :) Awesome episode, and I hope it gets some good recognition. :)

sanctuary girl
November 27th, 2010, 08:37 AM
All right, I have just seen this episode and I will try to give you my opinion:
I had one really big problem with this episode - It ended after 45 minutes :mad:

Other than that: I liked Ian Tracy a lot and I was totally impressed by his acting skills. His "moodswings" were great and convincing, how he goes from "hope to see you again " to *** without a breath was just stunnig.

I have always loved Amandas acting but this time she outdid herself. She was really amazing. I don't know if there even are words to discribe my respect for her. And Chelle DB you are right: Amanda has to win a Gemini or Leo for this episode. :D

The end was disappointing. She is sitting ther and says they have a big problem and now I have to wait for another week;)

My opinion in one sentence: loved it, need more really soon:D

Skydiver
November 27th, 2010, 08:39 AM
You know, i"m torn.

As an arc episode, I think this was pivotal. It sets up the mid season finale and supports the whole hidden city/hollow earth plot. and I'd also read a certain spoiler about some long term ramifications from adam and his devices

plot spoiler
I read a spoiler about it being some sort of radiation poisoning

In a lot of ways this was requiem or next tuesday, just without will.

it brings up some questions, who ordered helen to kill adam, how has adam survived this long (although i think the time dilation bubble he encased the building in answers that), who's in the city and are they still alive and operating or did adam stumble upon some old/dying/dead stuff. Does he really want info about the hidden city, or is his job to keep info about it secret?

beyond that....as cool as the continual fighting was, all it really did was fill up the hour and illustrate to us just how bad jeckyll and hyde were and how nuts they are and how violent they can be. It's almost like the fight was extended to last for 40ish minutes, and it could have been condensed had there been a need.

I think the story does volumes to show that Helen isn't just standing back waiting for others to do the dirty work for her, but I also think it was stretched out to last the whole episode simply because they had the whole episode to fill.

JanSam
November 27th, 2010, 09:19 AM
You know, i"m torn.

As an arc episode, I think this was pivotal. It sets up the mid season finale and supports the whole hidden city/hollow earth plot. and I'd also read a certain spoiler about some long term ramifications from adam and his devices

This is why I really enjoyed this episode. We are introduced to a new villain, get some of Helen's back story, and it links the story arc to past episodes.



In a lot of ways this was requiem or next tuesday, just without will.

Hmm...I didn't see this like the other two mostly because it wasn't a stand alone but actually furthered the story arc. It wasn't just Helen whump and fighting as we got tidbits of information mixed in.



it brings up some questions, who ordered helen to kill adam, how has adam survived this long (although i think the time dilation bubble he encased the building in answers that), who's in the city and are they still alive and operating or did adam stumble upon some old/dying/dead stuff. Does he really want info about the hidden city, or is his job to keep info about it secret?

I took it the residents of the city are still alive because of his comments to Helen:
"Did you think it was miracle earthquake because you are such a nice person?" (not a direct quote)
and his other comment which I think he said he was thrown out of the city by the inhabitants (I don't think he said why). Sounded to me like he wanted info on how to get back into the city. My question is why does he want back in? Is he after more of their technology and just why did Gregory felt he had to go to such lengths to warn Helen about Adam (just what is he up to??)?



beyond that....as cool as the continual fighting was, all it really did was fill up the hour and illustrate to us just how bad jeckyll and hyde were and how nuts they are and how violent they can be. It's almost like the fight was extended to last for 40ish minutes, and it could have been condensed had there been a need.

I think the story does volumes to show that Helen isn't just standing back waiting for others to do the dirty work for her, but I also think it was stretched out to last the whole episode simply because they had the whole episode to fill.

Yeah I think they were trying to show just how nuts he is and perhaps give us a clue of why Helen was ordered to kill him. I'm sure we'll have more back story coming about this :D.

Did anyone get what the deal was with the liquid Helen and Adam were putting on their clothes and why? Oh and did Adam avoid the water because it would wash off the liquid? Umm...what was the liquid?

siles
November 27th, 2010, 09:21 AM
You know, i"m torn.

As an arc episode, I think this was pivotal. It sets up the mid season finale and supports the whole hidden city/hollow earth plot. and I'd also read a certain spoiler about some long term ramifications from adam and his devices

plot spoiler
I read a spoiler about it being some sort of radiation poisoning

In a lot of ways this was requiem or next tuesday, just without will.

it brings up some questions, who ordered helen to kill adam, how has adam survived this long (although i think the time dilation bubble he encased the building in answers that), who's in the city and are they still alive and operating or did adam stumble upon some old/dying/dead stuff. Does he really want info about the hidden city, or is his job to keep info about it secret?

beyond that....as cool as the continual fighting was, all it really did was fill up the hour and illustrate to us just how bad jeckyll and hyde were and how nuts they are and how violent they can be. It's almost like the fight was extended to last for 40ish minutes, and it could have been condensed had there been a need.

I think the story does volumes to show that Helen isn't just standing back waiting for others to do the dirty work for her, but I also think it was stretched out to last the whole episode simply because they had the whole episode to fill.

I wonder if the city is not the place where abnormals go when they die and are resurrected. This could be a way to bring Ashley back next season if TPTB want to

jelgate
November 27th, 2010, 09:31 AM
This episode was just bad. The worst of S3. It got dull having the whole episode of just having Helen running from a person who wanted to kill her. I thought it would get better when we discovered the identity of the killer but it was more the less the same of Helen running from her killer until she outsmarted her. This episode could have benefited from a B story but since it didn't the episode was just boring

Skydiver
November 27th, 2010, 09:38 AM
i thought that fluid was some sort of combustible. It looked like she was making molitov cocktails.

but i wonder...helen set up all the 'traps', but then didn't use any of them.

MidwifeOnBoard
November 27th, 2010, 09:41 AM
You know, i"m torn.

1. As an arc episode, I think this was pivotal. It sets up the mid season finale and supports the whole hidden city/hollow earth plot. and I'd also read a certain spoiler about some long term ramifications from adam and his devices

plot spoiler
I read a spoiler about it being some sort of radiation poisoning

2. In a lot of ways this was requiem or next tuesday, just without will.

3. it brings up some questions, who ordered helen to kill adam, how has adam survived this long (although i think the time dilation bubble he encased the building in answers that), who's in the city and are they still alive and operating or did adam stumble upon some old/dying/dead stuff. Does he really want info about the hidden city, or is his job to keep info about it secret?

4. beyond that....as cool as the continual fighting was, all it really did was fill up the hour and illustrate to us just how bad jeckyll and hyde were and how nuts they are and how violent they can be. It's almost like the fight was extended to last for 40ish minutes, and it could have been condensed had there been a need.

I think the story does volumes to show that Helen isn't just standing back waiting for others to do the dirty work for her, but I also think it was stretched out to last the whole episode simply because they had the whole episode to fill.

1. Agreed. They had to set up something major in a major way.

2. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it so much. ;) *ducks*

3. How do we know Helen was ordered to kill Adam. Knowing Helen, she decided on her own that this was the safest/only thing to be done and took it upon herself to get it done.

4. I actually liked that there was no B story. The fighting and spooky/weirdness of the whole thing was really awesome to me, but also because it was peppered with dialogue (as well as the flashback) that gave us clues as to Adam's relationship with Helen and the rest of the Five. Were they originally the Six, but he went terribly wrong? Was there something else? It seemed as though he had been in love with Helen in the past (weren't they all? ;)) and his mention of his daughter really intrigued me.

MidwifeOnBoard
November 27th, 2010, 09:43 AM
i thought that fluid was some sort of combustible. It looked like she was making molitov cocktails.

but i wonder...helen set up all the 'traps', but then didn't use any of them.

That's what I thought at first, but then on second viewing, Adam had been rubbing some fluid on his new bandages, and then Magnus was rubbing it all over her clothes. Maybe she was copying him as some sort of safeguard? It was clear that she was planning on tackling him and forcing him to push her through the vortex-thingy.

Carterfan
November 27th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Just wanted to pop in and say how much I enjoyed this episode. There's much to take away from this episode, I'm going to have to think about it more. But from a non content perspective, for me, watching some of my favorite actors get challenging material to work with is really satisfying, especially when they can pull it off, like Amanda did in this episode. That martial arts stuff with the staff/rebar and fighting with a chain can't be easy to learn in a hurry!

I really do love the physicality of this episode. Its the kind of stuff I always wished the sg1 PTB would let Sam do more of, because I could see the potential in the small glimpses of hand to hand combat sparcely splattered here and there. So this really makes up for it.

Ms Amanda, you're awesome! Your characters always whump up so well! and always convincingly so.

And can I say, Ian Tracey, I hope to see more of you. You were awesome too, sir! Such an engaging character. Sanctuary Casting, you sure sure know where to find these awesome actors. I'm really enjoying seeing AT acting opposite the likes of Tracey, Young, Wingfield and of course the great CH.

What can I say, I just love the fighting, especially hand to hand type! Now I want to see Magnus and Druitt do some good old Victorian fencing. With rapiers. Just kidding, better make it foils.

I hope everyone had a great thanksgiving. :)

BigHonkinSpaceGun
November 27th, 2010, 09:49 AM
I absolutely loved this episode! It was creepy, intriguing and fun all in one. So far, the best episode of this season. Sanctuary just isn't Sanctuary if Damian Kindler hasn't written the episode. Aside from the theme music (which I still don't like & wish they'd go back to the original), the other change I've disliked the most this season has been the other writers they're brought it. I really hope that in the future only Damian and the other people who wrote for seasons 1 & 2 (don't know who they are, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't just Damian) write Sanctuary episodes.

Out of all of this season so far, this episode made me miss Ashley the most. Watching Helen fight reminded me of Ashley and made me wonder if she taught her daughter how to fight. Also, imagine if this episode had had Helen & Ashley together, fighting and trying to figure out what was going one.

The only other Helen only episode we've had was Pavor Nocturnas, and I think that Breach equals or exceeds Pavor.

JanSam
November 27th, 2010, 09:54 AM
i thought that fluid was some sort of combustible. It looked like she was making molitov cocktails.

but i wonder...helen set up all the 'traps', but then didn't use any of them.

I don't think she was making molitov cocktails because she was saturating the veil in the liquid before she applied it to her clothes. I thought she did use one of her traps; she purposely broke that water pipe above where they came out before she left for the roof. I just don't get what effect the water and the liquid had on the device.


1. Agreed. They had to set up something major in a major way.

2. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it so much. ;) *ducks*
LOL



3. How do we know Helen was ordered to kill Adam. Knowing Helen, she decided on her own that this was the safest/only thing to be done and took it upon herself to get it done.

True, I'm not sure if it was something he said that gave me that impression. [will have to rewatch :D]



4. I actually liked that there was no B story. The fighting and spooky/weirdness of the whole thing was really awesome to me, but also because it was peppered with dialogue (as well as the flashback) that gave us clues as to Adam's relationship with Helen and the rest of the Five. Were they originally the Six, but he went terribly wrong? Was there something else? It seemed as though he had been in love with Helen in the past (weren't they all? ;)) and his mention of his daughter really intrigued me.

Oh yes me too!! Can't wait to hear more on all this.

jasminaGo
November 27th, 2010, 09:58 AM
i thought that fluid was some sort of combustible. It looked like she was making molitov cocktails.

It was definitely something that protected from the rifts. What exactly not sure


but i wonder...helen set up all the 'traps', but then didn't use any of them.

She was leaving weapons at all the possible locations where Adam can show up cause she didn't know where she might end up, but she only needed to use one in the end, the pointy pipe one.

Skydiver
November 27th, 2010, 10:00 AM
the water seemed to blind adam

He looked at her through the sprinklers and couldn't see her

maybe she was just soaking her clothes and the veil with water to protect them?

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 10:14 AM
the water seemed to blind adam

He looked at her through the sprinklers and couldn't see her

maybe she was just soaking her clothes and the veil with water to protect them?

She wrapped herself up quite well, including having gloves on her hands; and then pulled the veil over her face and the hood over her head. I thought maybe it was so that she would be protected when she went through the "window/portal" with him, since she noticed that he was injured (burned?) on a bare spot on his arm when he went through at one point. (My, that sounded muddled.:))

MidwifeOnBoard
November 27th, 2010, 10:17 AM
the water seemed to blind adam

He looked at her through the sprinklers and couldn't see her

maybe she was just soaking her clothes and the veil with water to protect them?


Whatever that fluid was, it appeared to be significantly more viscous than water. My IRL guess? Karo syrup. ;)

Rocky89
November 27th, 2010, 10:17 AM
i thought that fluid was some sort of combustible. It looked like she was making molitov cocktails.

but i wonder...helen set up all the 'traps', but then didn't use any of them.


It was definitely something that protected from the rifts. What exactly not sure

She was leaving weapons at all the possible locations where Adam can show up cause she didn't know where she might end up, but she only needed to use one in the end, the pointy pipe one.

Those are good questions, Sky, and very good explanations, Jas. :) :p


the water seemed to blind adam

He looked at her through the sprinklers and couldn't see her

maybe she was just soaking her clothes and the veil with water to protect them?

Maybe that's why she got her clothes wet, so he couldn't see her? Kinda like from Tremors 2, the Shriekers, they can only see something if it's warm or hot, if it's cold, it's invisible to them or they just ignore it. At one point in the movie, they used a fire extinguisher on one person to hide hm from the Shriekers, so I think that's what Helen had in mind with the water.

It's been a whole night, and I'm still in aw about it, especially the scenes when she looked out the windows, they just creeped me out. :p

Skydiver
November 27th, 2010, 10:19 AM
well, if she was soaking the veil in it, it can't have been something combustible. the fumes woulda knocked her out or made her very ill. not to mention burning her eyes, etc.

Rocky89
November 27th, 2010, 10:29 AM
She wrapped herself up quite well, including having gloves on her hands; and then pulled the veil over her face and the hood over her head. I thought maybe it was so that she would be protected when she went through the "window/portal" with him, since she noticed that he was injured (burned?) on a bare spot on his arm when he went through at one point. (My, that sounded muddled.:))

Yeah, that's Helen for ya, always keeping her eyes open and looking for something she can use. ;) At the beginning, before the credits, I wondered why she would cover her face before jumping him, I thought of why, but I had no idea, then when it came up again later in the episode, it made perfect sense, she needed to cover her skin so she wouldn't get burned.


well, if she was soaking the veil in it, it can't have been something combustible. the fumes woulda knocked her out or made her very ill. not to mention burning her eyes, etc.

Originally, I thought she was soaking herself in that stuff was so she can somehow get some on him, and then when he'd go through the rift, he would light himself on fire or something. But yeah, I liked the end result, she won after all. ;)

Carterfan
November 27th, 2010, 10:45 AM
I need to watch this ep again. But I pretty much thought the reason why Adam couldn't see Magnus through the veil of water was because it disturbed the 'time manipulation', maybe it effects the light waves as it passes and distorts the time field or something to that effect.

Carterfan
November 27th, 2010, 10:56 AM
1. Agreed. They had to set up something major in a major way.

2. Maybe that's why I enjoyed it so much. ;) *ducks*

3. How do we know Helen was ordered to kill Adam. Knowing Helen, she decided on her own that this was the safest/only thing to be done and took it upon herself to get it done.

4. I actually liked that there was no B story. The fighting and spooky/weirdness of the whole thing was really awesome to me, but also because it was peppered with dialogue (as well as the flashback) that gave us clues as to Adam's relationship with Helen and the rest of the Five. Were they originally the Six, but he went terribly wrong? Was there something else? It seemed as though he had been in love with Helen in the past (weren't they all? ;)) and his mention of his daughter really intrigued me.

I couldn't agree with you more. It would have been really awkard and jarring to cut away to another plot with this story line, and there was plenty to be told. I really liked the pacing, but I love cat and mouse games.

I'm inclined to think as you do that Helen saw the havoc Adam and co. was creating and took it upon herself to prevent him from doing any more damage. I guess we'll find out later. This episode, as sky points out, really sets up the rest of the season.

Girlbot
November 27th, 2010, 11:26 AM
I have to say I enjoyed this episode. Quite unique. Can't wait to see how things progress with Adam:)

meredithchandler73
November 27th, 2010, 12:21 PM
I cannot express how much I love this episode. Absolutely CRAMAZING (crazy+amazing)!!! The acting was fabulous. The fighting was awesome. Just some of my other thoughts:
--Is Adam supposed to be an abnormal? Because I haven't noticed anything that makes him an abnormal yet. He has a dual personality, but that doesn't make him an abnormal. He seems to be incredibly smart and obviously knows Helen and her gang from 100 years ago, but Helen was surprised that he looked the way he did in this age, so it doesn't sound like he ages incredibly slowly like her.
--Adam's line, "I miss you" really made me stop and wonder what exactly their relationship had been. Was he in love with Helen? Were they an item at some point? Even though it would have been an interesting pairing, I'd hate to think that Helen only hooks up with bad boys! And I mean REALLY bad boys!
--Interesting how Adam knows most of The Five (the only one he didn't mention by name was Griffin) and how funny that he said he liked Tesla because you knew where you stood with him. I can't wait to see the interaction between Nikola and Adam.
--Adam's first line to Helen: "Helen, you look beautiful." When Tesla was first introduced, the end of his note said, "P.S. You look hot." When Watson first appears, he tells Helen she has changed a bit - referring to London in the Spring of 1888. Bottom line: HELEN IS GORGEOUS!!!
--Supposedly Adam has been in the holo city - has he been there all this time? When exactly did he get kicked out? How would he have heard about Ashley dying?
--Loved seeing the flashback. I want more of those! And doesn't anyone else want to see when/how Helen learned all the fighting skills she has?!?!

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 12:37 PM
I have the feeling that Adam (like Druitt) was a patient of Helen's in England. As far as I know, we've never found out just what field of medicine she was in, but I'm thinking part of it was psycotherapy.

It was interesting to hear the various multiple personalities of Adam. One of them even had a bit of an Irish or Scottish accent, as the accent seemed to change depending on which personality was speaking.

As a little side note, it seemed as though they were getting better with blending the green screen stuff with the scenes the actors were supposed to be in front of. But the scene where Adam was running along the edge of the cliff seemed really obvious (to me) that it was not real.

Jacquelyn
November 27th, 2010, 12:47 PM
Helen & makeshift weapons? Whoa. Especially that chain. That was HAWT.

LMAO yea :P She knows how to take care of herself of course. :D


I loved when she kicked in the face and said, "Stop hitting me!"

I loved that!!

Plus this was just brilliant and Amanda's part. She was fantastic. And being beaten up all day does tend to irritate and gets a little painful! Prop to AT for bearing this episode out!! She was AMAZING!!

HAHA yea I loved when she said that too :lol:
And Yes she deserves billions of claps :D *claps claps claps*


She was leaving weapons at all the possible locations where Adam can show up cause she didn't know where she might end up, but she only needed to use one in the end, the pointy pipe one.

Oh great explanation! :D

MidwifeOnBoard
November 27th, 2010, 12:58 PM
I have the feeling that Adam (like Druitt) was a patient of Helen's in England. As far as I know, we've never found out just what field of medicine she was in, but I'm thinking part of it was psycotherapy.



In Victorian times there were no specialties in medicine, per se. There were physicians and there were surgeons, though physicians were trained in general surgery, surgeons were NOT physicians. How's that for confusion? :P

Anyhow, physicians were generalists and took care of people from birth through death for any and all conditions. Childbirth was still the purview of midwives unless you were extremely wealthy, generally speaking-- and still is in much of the world. ;)

ann_sgcfan
November 27th, 2010, 01:00 PM
This is why I really enjoyed this episode. We are introduced to a new villain, get some of Helen's back story, and it links the story arc to past episodes.



Hmm...I didn't see this like the other two mostly because it wasn't a stand alone but actually furthered the story arc. It wasn't just Helen whump and fighting as we got tidbits of information mixed in.



I took it the residents of the city are still alive because of his comments to Helen:
"Did you think it was miracle earthquake because you are such a nice person?" (not a direct quote)
and his other comment which I think he said he was thrown out of the city by the inhabitants (I don't think he said why). Sounded to me like he wanted info on how to get back into the city. My question is why does he want back in? Is he after more of their technology and just why did Gregory felt he had to go to such lengths to warn Helen about Adam (just what is he up to??)?



Yeah I think they were trying to show just how nuts he is and perhaps give us a clue of why Helen was ordered to kill him. I'm sure we'll have more back story coming about this :D.

Did anyone get what the deal was with the liquid Helen and Adam were putting on their clothes and why? Oh and did Adam avoid the water because it would wash off the liquid? Umm...what was the liquid?

Sorry I haven't had time to read through all the comments - so forgive me if I repeat anyone. What villain was introduced? I may have missed something, which is possible I was tired. I thought it was more a personal vendetta with Adam's darker side and Helen. Trying to kill someone would tend to do that - I think.:P Yes I know Adam sent the two white beings to get the info from Will's mind regarding the city, but again I thought it was Adam's orders alone.

The sprinklers were blinding Adam, for whatever reason - I hope they explain why later, maybe it has something to do with how he is still alive. Where ever he was supposedly killed held something pretty powerful even he mentioned that. If they are searching for the city they need to start there. I just wonder if Adam brought Helen to that cliff 100 years ago for a reason. Did he know the inhabitants of the city would save him?

I haven't really sought out spoilers, so no idea really what's ahead for the show. I thought the episode was good. I don't think it compares to The Five, but it was still good. I.T. was very good with the alter ego role. The fighting scenes were executed very nicely. I enjoyed the freezing time bit, and the wormhole/ portal whatever seemed to cause a great deal of pain to any exposed skin - so perhaps the liquid was just an extra preventative step to ensure a safe journey. He and Helen both walked through the sprinklers once they spread on the other liquid. For me there was nothing earth shattering revealed once you realize another person from Helen's past is alive and well. It's always fun to seeing into her past. The show was more a taster for me of what may be coming later on.

kes
November 27th, 2010, 01:18 PM
Ok so this as became one of my favorite episode and I actually wanted to write something good but I'm not sure I can. Here goes:

So loved every minute. I was a little afraid of how they were going to explain how Magnus gets left behind. The sneak peek left me a little scared. Seemed like they were just walking away :D but it was beautiful!

The fight scenes were great, they did an amazing job. The story was really good. It gave us more info on the city, info about Magnus past (didn’t she look HOT in that flashback?? I want that jacket she’s wearing lol) while creating a new arc and a great new villain.

It showed us a bit of how Magnus thinks. She was willing to forget the beating until she learned that it wasn’t a scared abnormal but a threat.
How organized she was, mapping the place and finding a pattern to what seem like random "popping up".

Ian Tracy did an amazing job and AT was brilliant as always. She did a marvelous job on the fight scenes. It wasn’t spot the stunt double like in Hero II.

And damn did this leave me thirsty for the next ep!!!


Also loved the boots she’s wearing!

EvenstarSRV
November 27th, 2010, 01:20 PM
Adam just said something like: "You could have saved her. You could have saved my daughter. Instead you left us with nothing." Before taunting her about Ashley. Anyone who is more familiar with the Jeckyl & Hyde story who can shed light on that? It's been YEARS since I've read it.

I haven't read it in years either, but I'm pretty sure Dr. Jekyll wasn't married or had children in Stevenson's story, this looks like a twist DK has put on the character. Perhaps that's what sets off his transformation into the Mr. Hyde persona, the death of his daughter, and maybe he tries to find the hologram city as a way of bringing her back?



3. How do we know Helen was ordered to kill Adam. Knowing Helen, she decided on her own that this was the safest/only thing to be done and took it upon herself to get it done.

During their confrontation on the cliff Adam says something about Helen completing her task, ie shooting him. So it could be something the Five decided on and Helen was assigned to carry it out, or a task she set for herself because perhaps, like with Druitt, she felt somewhat responsible for the chaos he caused.



I couldn't agree with you more. It would have been really awkard and jarring to cut away to another plot with this story line, and there was plenty to be told. I really liked the pacing, but I love cat and mouse games.


I also rather liked that there was no B story, like with Requiem, I think cutting away to another storyline would have lessened the claustrophobic effect of Helen being trapped. Plus the time bubble makes a pretty effective excuse for not cutting to say Will and Kate trying to get into the building. Though I wonder how far the time bubble extended, Henry, Tesla, and Bigfoot would probably start wondering why they couldn't get in touch with Helen and the others.

kes
November 27th, 2010, 01:21 PM
How would he have heard about Ashley dying?


He's been around. He says : "Heeeeeeere's Johnny!" - The Shining reference :D

Skydiver
November 27th, 2010, 01:50 PM
Though I wonder how far the time bubble extended, Henry, Tesla, and Bigfoot would probably start wondering why they couldn't get in touch with Helen and the others.

I don't think so. It was only a couple of hours at the most and the three of them were supposed to be meeting with some scared abby....no time to question.

and, for all we know, helen and adam beat each other up for hours while it was all of 2 minutes outside.

I bet that the cut on her hand becomes significant. maybe her first sign that she's not well, it doesn't heal. it was made too much of a big deal/obvious plot point for it to be nothing.

MidwifeOnBoard
November 27th, 2010, 01:54 PM
1. The fight scenes were great, they did an amazing job. The story was really good. It gave us more info on the city, info about Magnus past (didn’t she look HOT in that flashback?? I want that jacket she’s wearing lol) while creating a new arc and a great new villain.

2. Also loved the boots she’s wearing!

1. Me too. That was an amazing piece of leather wear. :)

2. Again, me too! At first I thought, Hey, I have (almost) those boots! Then I realized they laced up the back and were way hotter than mine. ;) /shallow

kes
November 27th, 2010, 02:02 PM
1. Me too. That was an amazing piece of leather wear. :)

2. Again, me too! At first I thought, Hey, I have (almost) those boots! Then I realized they laced up the back and were way hotter than mine. ;) /shallow

I would actually prefer fake leather ;)
Yes, that's what so cool. They laced up (as you say) in the back! Awesome, just different enough :D

Carterfan
November 27th, 2010, 03:09 PM
Though I wonder how far the time bubble extended, Henry, Tesla, and Bigfoot would probably start wondering why they couldn't get in touch with Helen and the others.


Time was only affected inside the building. Everything outside the building was on normal time, Adam said that he speeded up time and localized it. It was the opposite of the time dilation used to slow down time inside the bubble on stargate. Here everything inside happened faster. At least thats what I understand it to be.

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 03:18 PM
this is what i've been waiting for for YEARS with sam! :p

helen is whumped, helen kicks butt!! what more could a fan ask for? :p

i watched this again before coming online. i just *had* to! :p


k, i'll start off with one prob i had with the ep. helen got her butt kicked, but it didn't seem to effect her enough. was it b/c adam/nut job was holding back, or b/c he was a small-ish guy, or?... :p but anyways, that's the only "?" i had with it. :p


random:

GREAT fight scenes!! :D

* adam/hyde was great! the actor did a good job and i hope we see him again.

* speaking of adam... hyde had an english accent, but did adam have an irish one?

* my mom didn't like it that helen killed adam. i explained to her that he was jekyll/hyde, but she was still not sure. :p

* when jekll was talking to helen while she was hiding, he said (and i had it on closed captioning) that she could have saved his daughter. then he brought up ashley... i had to go back twice to make sure he wasn't saying that ashley was HIS! :p but i realize he just brought up ash b/c he'd lost his daughter too, and he blamed helen. interesting!

* would going through the rift unprotected cause real damage? i guess water helps protect, b/c it looked like helen was putting water all over herself (and jekyll was rubbing something on himself too)

* i wondered why wil and kate didn't notice that helen wasn't with them. i'm glad, though, that the ep didn't keep going back to what was going on with them (i assumed they were trying to get back in), but i said to my mom that it would break the tension of the ep if it did go back to the others. but now we know they didn't even have 'time' to miss her. :p

* so going by helen's fighting techniques, it looked like she was trained in martial arts?

* helen fighting with that metal rod was awesome! oh, and the chain and hammer thingie! :p ~takes moment to fangirl squee~

* i'd say helen won this fight! :p

* so was adam part of the five? maybe the back-up singer of the five? :p and did he take the source blood too, which is why he went splitty personality nutso?

* i wonder how adam found the hollow earth place in the first place?

* i soooooooo appreciate damian/writers not holding back in writing helen!!

* amanda is awesome. yes, i've said it.

* bye. :D


-goes to read posts-

MelissaAdams
November 27th, 2010, 03:23 PM
Just popping on finally to say this was a FANTASTIC episode, truly the best that Sanctuary has ever had in my opinion and I'm not a huge whump fan...I don't like seeing people I care about or characters hurt but this...it was AWESOME and that was not only because of Amanda's acting which was FANTASTIC :-D But also Ian's acting as well, he was just the perfect villian for her and I can't wait until we learn more.

I loved this episode and if re-watching it is any indication I've watched it four times today already. LOL

Truly a GREAT episode that moved the story forward and now though I'm not a huge history fan I'm much more looking forward to the next episode because of this one. It answered a few questions but opened up many, MANY more so Sanctuary team take a BIG bow becuase this was absolutely the best. You truly surpassed the bar.

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 03:29 PM
I esp can't wait to find out why Helen was ordered to kill him and how he knows so much about Gregory and the city. .

where was this revealed? :S :p

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 03:34 PM
I loved when she kicked in the face and said, "Stop hitting me!"

I loved that!!



LOVED that line too :p, and especially how amanda delivered it! :p

"STOP. HITTING. ME!" :p

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Kudos to Amanda and Ian, those two were amazing in how they pulled off the fighting scenes! I'm sure my expression during this episode was :eek: And having Helen asking for forgiveness, was truly poignant, at first she was using it as a diversion, but then when she really meant it, was a very heart felt.



yes. and i don't think i put that together until i just read your statement. :)

EvenstarSRV
November 27th, 2010, 03:45 PM
I don't think so. It was only a couple of hours at the most and the three of them were supposed to be meeting with some scared abby....no time to question.

and, for all we know, helen and adam beat each other up for hours while it was all of 2 minutes outside.

That's true, I rewatched that part when Helen sees Will and Kate from the roof and you can see a sort of shimmering barrier to what I assume is the time bubble. So it looks like Adam sped up time within the building so that from her perspective Will, Kate, and everything outside was standing still. Which also means that there literally couldn't have been a B story in the episode, since only the stuff happening in the building was occurring in real time.



I bet that the cut on her hand becomes significant. maybe her first sign that she's not well, it doesn't heal. it was made too much of a big deal/obvious plot point for it to be nothing.

Hmm, maybe that's the way she gets sick with the poisoning like Adam. She covered the wound up but would still have been somewhat exposed. Perhaps that's also why Adam was trying to get back to the city, since he may be dying because he's been jumping so much.


where was this revealed? :S :p

Just before she shoots him, Adam says something like 'I know what your task here is' and tells her to 'finish it', so I'm assuming that either someone ordered her or she decided herself to kill him. I'm leaning toward ordered because she seemed so conflicted about it.

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 03:52 PM
It seemed as though he had been in love with Helen in the past (weren't they all? ;)) and his mention of his daughter really intrigued me.

my mom picked up on that too. :p

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 04:03 PM
It was interesting to hear the various multiple personalities of Adam. One of them even had a bit of an Irish or Scottish accent, as the accent seemed to change depending on which personality was speaking.



so he had more than two, is that what you're saying?

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 04:08 PM
so he had more than two, is that what you're saying?

It sounded like it to me. :)

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 04:12 PM
It showed us a bit of how Magnus thinks. She was willing to forget the beating until she learned that it wasn’t a scared abnormal but a threat.


great insight! :)

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 04:14 PM
I bet that the cut on her hand becomes significant. maybe her first sign that she's not well, it doesn't heal. it was made too much of a big deal/obvious plot point for it to be nothing.

yeah, the cut! i didn't see 'how' she got it... *ponders/wonders/repeats*

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 04:18 PM
on a side note: i'm very much enjoying seeing new sanctuary fans posting here! :D i hope more ppl participate (so i have more to enjoy reading :p).

AresLover452
November 27th, 2010, 04:26 PM
LMAO yea :P She knows how to take care of herself of course. :D

HAHA yea I loved when she said that too :lol:
And Yes she deserves billions of claps :D *claps claps claps*

The part with the chain was really really HAWT!!

I'm going to watch this episode again. I know I missed some stuff cause I was enraptured with the awesomeness that was Helen Magnus kicking ass!!!

Chelle DB
November 27th, 2010, 04:39 PM
Who else found it a little creepy when Helen kept looking out the windows? I don't know why, but I just found those moments a little scary because they were so quiet and really made me feel like she was alone.
I found the whole environment she was in was creepy - Riverview wasn't it? Yep - creepy.

it brings up some questions, who ordered helen to kill adam, how has adam survived this long (although i think the time dilation bubble he encased the building in answers that), who's in the city and are they still alive and operating or did adam stumble upon some old/dying/dead stuff. Does he really want info about the hidden city, or is his job to keep info about it secret?

I asked myself the same questions - I'm thinking it was either a direct order form the heads of the Sanctuary network or Gregory ordered Helen to do the job....that's my guess at this stage.

Did anyone get what the deal was with the liquid Helen and Adam were putting on their clothes and why? Oh and did Adam avoid the water because it would wash off the liquid? Umm...what was the liquid?
I thought it might have been an oil based liquid that might have acted as an insulator for when they jumped into subspace. Just my guess. :)

Just wanted to pop in and say how much I enjoyed this episode. There's much to take away from this episode, I'm going to have to think about it more. But from a non content perspective, for me, watching some of my favorite actors get challenging material to work with is really satisfying, especially when they can pull it off, like Amanda did in this episode. That martial arts stuff with the staff/rebar and fighting with a chain can't be easy to learn in a hurry!
Yeah that thought did occur to me...Amanda must have done some serious training for this ep...I'd love to learn some of those moves...purely for fun. :)

I cannot express how much I love this episode. Absolutely CRAMAZING (crazy+amazing)!!! The acting was fabulous. The fighting was awesome. Just some of my other thoughts:
--Is Adam supposed to be an abnormal? Because I haven't noticed anything that makes him an abnormal yet. He has a dual personality, but that doesn't make him an abnormal. He seems to be incredibly smart and obviously knows Helen and her gang from 100 years ago, but Helen was surprised that he looked the way he did in this age, so it doesn't sound like he ages incredibly slowly like her.
--Adam's line, "I miss you" really made me stop and wonder what exactly their relationship had been. Was he in love with Helen? Were they an item at some point? Even though it would have been an interesting pairing, I'd hate to think that Helen only hooks up with bad boys! And I mean REALLY bad boys!
--Interesting how Adam knows most of The Five (the only one he didn't mention by name was Griffin) and how funny that he said he liked Tesla because you knew where you stood with him. I can't wait to see the interaction between Nikola and Adam.
--Adam's first line to Helen: "Helen, you look beautiful." When Tesla was first introduced, the end of his note said, "P.S. You look hot." When Watson first appears, he tells Helen she has changed a bit - referring to London in the Spring of 1888. Bottom line: HELEN IS GORGEOUS!!!
--Supposedly Adam has been in the holo city - has he been there all this time? When exactly did he get kicked out? How would he have heard about Ashley dying?
--Loved seeing the flashback. I want more of those! And doesn't anyone else want to see when/how Helen learned all the fighting skills she has?!?!
Loved the flashback...want more!!
And yes, Helen is gorgeous - as is the woman who plays her. :P
I reckon he heard about Ashley through the grapevine - he would have had to search for Helen to find her to trap her so he may have heard about Ashley through his search...or maybe Gregory told him.

He's been around. He says : "Heeeeeeere's Johnny!" - The Shining reference :D
I was thinking more along the Johnny Carson show...but The Shining works too. :P

and, for all we know, helen and adam beat each other up for hours while it was all of 2 minutes outside.
I bet that the cut on her hand becomes significant. maybe her first sign that she's not well, it doesn't heal. it was made too much of a big deal/obvious plot point for it to be nothing.
I got the feeling that the time dilation bubble only surrounded the grounds which they were on...so Will & Kate were affected but the rest of the city may not have been...but I don't think the whole event took more than a few hours so no need for those at the Sanctuary to worry too soon.
I like your theory about the cut on her hand...I can see that happening.

* amanda is awesome. yes, i've said it.
* bye. :D
I would have been disappointed if you had not said it Sally - to true! :)

Calluna
November 27th, 2010, 04:50 PM
Really, really amazing episode. I was so looking forward to this one and was worried it wasn't going to live up to my expectations, but it surpased them. This show does whole episodes with just drama between 2 characters really well, and has since Requiem.

Adam/Jekyll/Hyde whatever was a great bad guy and I hope we see more of him, he has some interesting links back to the 5 and Hollow Earth and Gregory that I hope they explore. Ian Tracy was so convincing with the switching between characters.

Wow can Amanda bring it. Not that that is new of course, but this episode really showed off her abilities on all fronts with the drama, physical fighting and slight touches of humor, "that book was written in 3 days whilst high on cocaine!" Nice shoutout without it being too OTT. And she seemed to do most of the stunts herself which makes it even cooler. She obviously uses a lot of the things she learned as Sam, especially technobable and how to handle weapons and physical s scenes, but the characters are as different as night and day in most respects.

God this season has raised the bar so much it is unbelievable. It's a shame that this will probably be a low rated ep due to the holidays.

Carterfan
November 27th, 2010, 05:12 PM
The part with the chain was really really HAWT!!

I'm going to watch this episode again. I know I missed some stuff cause I was enraptured with the awesomeness that was Helen Magnus kicking ass!!!

:lol:

I love that martial arts stuff too. BTW, I love that you are an Ares lover. Kevin Smith was the hottest guy on the planet, any planet. I loved all that ass kicking on Xena. The wierd thing is, my Mum for some reason, keeps mistaking Amanda with her long dark hair for Lucy Lawless. I think its the ass kicking and the lethal legs. Sam/Helen has some lethal kicks. ;)

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 05:20 PM
Adam/Jekyll/Hyde whatever was a great bad guy and I hope we see more of him, he has some interesting links back to the 5 and Hollow Earth and Gregory that I hope they explore. Ian Tracy was so convincing with the switching between characters.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Ian Tracy was going to be in 2-3 episodes of Sanctuary, so we'll be seeing him again. After all, he survived in "Breach", and will likely be a "guest" at the Sanctuary while he heals, and who knows how much longer after that. Love to see him and Tesla together. :)



and, for all we know, helen and adam beat each other up for hours while it was all of 2 minutes outside.

It was my impression that time had all but stopped. Mostly because when Helen was looking thru that broken glass in a window, she saw a leaf suspended in the air. And again when she rubbed dirt off another window, she saw a bird suspended in midflight. Plus, there was the bullet in the window at the entrance. All suggesting time had either stopped or slowed down to less than a crawl.

Calluna
November 27th, 2010, 05:38 PM
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Ian Tracy was going to be in 2-3 episodes of Sanctuary, so we'll be seeing him again. After all, he survived in "Breach", and will likely be a "guest" at the Sanctuary while he heals, and who knows how much longer after that. Love to see him and Tesla together.


I had hoped, but I hadn't read any particular spoilers, so "yay!" He and Tesla would hopefully be fabulous together, especially with the Holo-city playing a staring role. And Ian Tracey is certainly charismatic enough to go toe to toe with Druitt and Watson should he be in any more flashbacks.



It was my impression that time had all but stopped. Mostly because when Helen was looking thru that broken glass in a window, she saw a leaf suspended in the air. And again when she rubbed dirt off another window, she saw a bird suspended in midflight. Plus, there was the bullet in the window at the entrance. All suggesting time had either stopped or slowed down to less than a crawl.

I agree, time was at a crawl or less from everything we saw. I'm glad of that because it means we neither have to watch a probably annoying subplot about Will and Kate's search, nor have to wonder why they aren't concerned.

AresLover452
November 27th, 2010, 05:40 PM
:lol:

I love that martial arts stuff too. BTW, I love that you are an Ares lover. Kevin Smith was the hottest guy on the planet, any planet. I loved all that ass kicking on Xena. The wierd thing is, my Mum for some reason, keeps mistaking Amanda with her long dark hair for Lucy Lawless. I think its the ass kicking and the lethal legs. Sam/Helen has some lethal kicks. ;)


Yeah, that's me!! I can see how the dark brown hair would be an instant mental connection to Xena, (Lucy Lawless another hawt lady who played opposite a very dark and dangerous and hawt Kevin smith as Ares) But yes the ass kicking that Xena dole out to Ares does make you think of this episode. I mean DAMN! helen was amazing! Even when she was talking to Sane Adam she was calculating ways to get to Hyde, ways to hurt him, ways to outsmart him. Can't say this enough.... AT(Magnus) Was just awesome for this episode.

Helen's martial arts was just awesome! though i loved when she was giving Adam a thrashing with the hammer she had scrounged up. I mean she was going to town on him before he took it away. Magnus is just plain awesome!

This was just one of the more fantastic episodes! there have been many but this one will just stick out the most!!

jckfan55
November 27th, 2010, 05:46 PM
I liked the episode. In one way it was largely a set up for future episodes, but I didn't mind b/c I got very involved in the episode. Despite the fact that in a way it was one fight sequence after another. As usual, I thought AT did a great job. Even though it was action-y, I thought AT also conveyed Magnus' thoughts & feelings--You really saw the transition from curious to under attack (and losing) :eek: to taking the offensive.

And I thought the lack of a B story was good in this case. I think a B story would have taken away some intensity.

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 06:23 PM
I had hoped, but I hadn't read any particular spoilers, so "yay!" He and Tesla would hopefully be fabulous together, especially with the Holo-city playing a staring role. And Ian Tracey is certainly charismatic enough to go toe to toe with Druitt and Watson should he be in any more flashbacks.

If I'm remembering correctly, I read the bit about Ian Tracy in an interview with Amanda. She was talking about how good he was and how he was going to be a guest in a few episodes. I don't remember now which interview it was.

AresLover452
November 27th, 2010, 06:32 PM
If I'm remembering correctly, I read the bit about Ian Tracy in an interview with Amanda. She was talking about how good he was and how he was going to be a guest in a few episodes. I don't remember now which interview it was.

Kewl!! we get to see more of the man who inspired Jekyll and Hyde.

llp
November 27th, 2010, 06:44 PM
This was probably the most intense episode I have seen on Sanctuary so far. Amanda played it to the hilt and was fantastic. I'm glad there wasn't a "B" story because it would have lessened the tension for the main story.
I will have to watch it again because I did miss some of the dialog (or so it seems after reading all the comments). I know that some of the story will be explained in future episodes...so I guess we will have to just wait!
I can sure see how Amanda said it took 3 months until her neck totally healed after being thrown against the wall. There was fantastic action in this episode. I don't remember Sam ever going through anything like this. There were small things but fight was about 1/2 the episode.
All I can say it top acting by Amanda and Ian, top writing by Damian and top directing by Martin. They all deserve nominations for this episode. Really "HOT" episode. Thank you to all of them!

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 06:59 PM
I can sure see how Amanda said it took 3 months until her neck totally healed after being thrown against the wall.

was that the scene where helen came running around the corner, but adam grabbed her and threw her and she slid into the wall? or, where he grabbed her and pushed her into the wall, getting into her face?

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 07:00 PM
was that the scene where helen came running around the corner, but adam grabbed her and threw her and she slid into the wall? or, where he grabbed her and pushed her into the wall, getting into her face?

Probably that one and the other one where he threw her over a bench/short wall.

majorsal
November 27th, 2010, 07:03 PM
Probably that one and the other one where he threw her over a bench/short wall.

gawd, this ep was a whump lovers dream! :p

i wonder just how many of those stunts were amanda?

suse
November 27th, 2010, 07:05 PM
But in the end, I knew it wasn't in her nature to let him die,

Dude, she *killed* him a century ago. She will do what she deems best to do.

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 07:07 PM
Dude, she *killed* him a century ago. She will do what she deems best to do.

And she did say something along the lines of "I killed you once; this will be like cleaning up afterwards" (or some such thing).

suse
November 27th, 2010, 07:09 PM
And I thought the lack of a B story was good in this case. I think a B story would have taken away some intensity.

;) The B story was the knockknock joke.

suse
November 27th, 2010, 07:10 PM
And she did say something along the lines of "I killed you once; this will be like cleaning up afterwards" (or some such thing).



"tying up loose ends"

hedwig
November 27th, 2010, 07:13 PM
"tying up loose ends"

Yes. That was it. Thank you. :)

suse
November 27th, 2010, 09:04 PM
i thought that fluid was some sort of combustible. It looked like she was making molitov cocktails.

but i wonder...helen set up all the 'traps', but then didn't use any of them.


Contingency plan. ;)

Rocky89
November 27th, 2010, 10:32 PM
I cannot express how much I love this episode. Absolutely CRAMAZING (crazy+amazing)!!! The acting was fabulous. The fighting was awesome. Just some of my other thoughts:
--Is Adam supposed to be an abnormal? Because I haven't noticed anything that makes him an abnormal yet. He has a dual personality, but that doesn't make him an abnormal. He seems to be incredibly smart and obviously knows Helen and her gang from 100 years ago, but Helen was surprised that he looked the way he did in this age, so it doesn't sound like he ages incredibly slowly like her.
--Adam's line, "I miss you" really made me stop and wonder what exactly their relationship had been. Was he in love with Helen? Were they an item at some point? Even though it would have been an interesting pairing, I'd hate to think that Helen only hooks up with bad boys! And I mean REALLY bad boys!
--Interesting how Adam knows most of The Five (the only one he didn't mention by name was Griffin) and how funny that he said he liked Tesla because you knew where you stood with him. I can't wait to see the interaction between Nikola and Adam.
--Adam's first line to Helen: "Helen, you look beautiful." When Tesla was first introduced, the end of his note said, "P.S. You look hot." When Watson first appears, he tells Helen she has changed a bit - referring to London in the Spring of 1888. Bottom line: HELEN IS GORGEOUS!!!
--Supposedly Adam has been in the holo city - has he been there all this time? When exactly did he get kicked out? How would he have heard about Ashley dying?
--Loved seeing the flashback. I want more of those! And doesn't anyone else want to see when/how Helen learned all the fighting skills she has?!?!

Good review. :)


Ok so this as became one of my favorite episode and I actually wanted to write something good but I'm not sure I can. Here goes:

So loved every minute. I was a little afraid of how they were going to explain how Magnus gets left behind. The sneak peek left me a little scared. Seemed like they were just walking away :D but it was beautiful!

The fight scenes were great, they did an amazing job. The story was really good. It gave us more info on the city, info about Magnus past (didn’t she look HOT in that flashback?? I want that jacket she’s wearing lol) while creating a new arc and a great new villain.

It showed us a bit of how Magnus thinks. She was willing to forget the beating until she learned that it wasn’t a scared abnormal but a threat.
How organized she was, mapping the place and finding a pattern to what seem like random "popping up".

Ian Tracy did an amazing job and AT was brilliant as always. She did a marvelous job on the fight scenes. It wasn’t spot the stunt double like in Hero II.

And damn did this leave me thirsty for the next ep!!!


Also loved the boots she’s wearing!

Good review. :) Again, I was nervous and excited every minute, and it really started when Helen was unable to break the glass, as soon as the door closed I KNEW she was in this all alone. I'm glad she wore that jacket to the warehouse, it's so cool and it looks like it's it could be a combat jacket, kinda like the SG uniforms for off-world missions. I can't wait for the podcast, so we can hear from Amanda herself which stunts she did herself. :)

She was quick to forgive the beating maybe because she knew what Adam was going though and she wanted to help him. But I'm still in a little shock of how much he hit her, NO way to treat a lady. :p


I haven't read it in years either, but I'm pretty sure Dr. Jekyll wasn't married or had children in Stevenson's story, this looks like a twist DK has put on the character. Perhaps that's what sets off his transformation into the Mr. Hyde persona, the death of his daughter, and maybe he tries to find the hologram city as a way of bringing her back?

During their confrontation on the cliff Adam says something about Helen completing her task, ie shooting him. So it could be something the Five decided on and Helen was assigned to carry it out, or a task she set for herself because perhaps, like with Druitt, she felt somewhat responsible for the chaos he caused.

I also rather liked that there was no B story, like with Requiem, I think cutting away to another storyline would have lessened the claustrophobic effect of Helen being trapped. Plus the time bubble makes a pretty effective excuse for not cutting to say Will and Kate trying to get into the building. Though I wonder how far the time bubble extended, Henry, Tesla, and Bigfoot would probably start wondering why they couldn't get in touch with Helen and the others.

OHHHHH, so that's who Stevenson is, I was wondering that one it was mentioned. :) As soon as you said "time bubble" I thought of what Sam did in Unending, to stop the Ori blast from hitting the ship, maybe that's kinda what Adam did here.

Rocky89
November 27th, 2010, 10:32 PM
this is what i've been waiting for for YEARS with sam! :p

helen is whumped, helen kicks butt!! what more could a fan ask for? :p

i watched this again before coming online. i just *had* to!

k, i'll start off with one prob i had with the ep. helen got her butt kicked, but it didn't seem to effect her enough. was it b/c adam/nut job was holding back, or b/c he was a small-ish guy, or?... :p but anyways, that's the only "?" i had with it.

The review I've been waiting for. :p I thought she looked a little tired near the end, they both did.

random:


GREAT fight scenes!! :D

Really? I thought they were kinda dull. :S NOT! :D


* adam/hyde was great! the actor did a good job and i hope we see him again.

* speaking of adam... hyde had an english accent, but did adam have an irish one?

* my mom didn't like it that helen killed adam. i explained to her that he was jekyll/hyde, but she was still not sure.

I didn't notice their accents, I was too focused on Helen. But if they did do different accents, I like that, it helps show that they really were 2 different minds there.


* when jekll was talking to helen while she was hiding, he said (and i had it on closed captioning) that she could have saved his daughter. then he brought up ashley... i had to go back twice to make sure he wasn't saying that ashley was HIS! :p but i realize he just brought up ash b/c he'd lost his daughter too, and he blamed helen. interesting!

* would going through the rift unprotected cause real damage? i guess water helps protect, b/c it looked like helen was putting water all over herself (and jekyll was rubbing something on himself too)

I thought he brought up Ashley as a tactic to anger her and lower her guard so he could attack her, or just to hurt her emotionally. He was burned when going through the rift without protection, so I imagine he would have been badly burned going through it with protecting his face, and that's why Helen must have got herself all wet, she must have planned to travel though the rift with him.


* i wondered why will and kate didn't notice that helen wasn't with them. i'm glad, though, that the ep didn't keep going back to what was going on with them (i assumed they were trying to get back in), but i said to my mom that it would break the tension of the ep if it did go back to the others. but now we know they didn't even have 'time' to miss her. :p

* so going by helen's fighting techniques, it looked like she was trained in martial arts?

* helen fighting with that metal rod was awesome! oh, and the chain and hammer thingie! :p ~takes moment to fangirl squee~

* i'd say helen won this fight! :p

Well, like 15 secs passed outside while the events inside were going on, so they may not have even noticed she was gone until a min later. Until the time thing came up, I was expecting Will and Kate to come in and help her, but never did.

Hehe, Helen so totally won the fight. In the battle of the sexes, the woman wins once again. ;) I don't know about you guys, but I would like to see an episode where Helen learns to fight. Maybe at some point she went to martial arts master or something, and learned to fight. What do y'all think? :p


* i soooooooo appreciate damian/writers not holding back in writing helen!!

* amanda is awesome. yes, i've said it.

* bye. :D

-goes to read posts-

We all know Amanda is awesome, we've known that for some time, Sally. ;)


LOVED that line too :p, and especially how amanda delivered it! :p

"STOP. HITTING. ME!" :p

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking, and yeah, she delivered great, you could tell she was getting frustrated. ;)


yeah, the cut! i didn't see 'how' she got it... *ponders/wonders/repeats*

Don't think too hard, it's not good for you, Sally. Hehe. But yeah, what cut? :p

Rocky89
November 27th, 2010, 10:33 PM
I found the whole environment she was in was creepy - Riverview wasn't it? Yep - creepy.

Yeah, but-- I don't know why but I find the times she looked out the window creepy, they were just so silent and... creepy. It really added to the isolated effect, even when she saw Will and Kate down below.


I thought it might have been an oil based liquid that might have acted as an insulator for when they jumped into subspace. Just my guess. :)

Good guess. :p


Yeah that thought did occur to me...Amanda must have done some serious training for this ep...I'd love to learn some of those moves...purely for fun. :)

I hope we learn a lot in the podcast and from the DVD, I want to learn what had to be done to prepare for this episode. :) Also, Amanda did say she's learning how to box, so maybe we'll see some of that in a future episode. :)

Loved the flashback...want more!!
And yes, Helen is gorgeous - as is the woman who plays her. :P
I reckon he heard about Ashley through the grapevine - he would have had to search for Helen to find her to trap her so he may have heard about Ashley through his search...or maybe Gregory told him.


I would have been disappointed if you had not said it Sally - to true! :)

Of course it's true, Amanda rocks. Some times too hard. :p



Helen's martial arts was just awesome! though i loved when she was giving Adam a thrashing with the hammer she had scrounged up. I mean she was going to town on him before he took it away. Magnus is just plain awesome!

This was just one of the more fantastic episodes! there have been many but this one will just stick out the most!!

I know I just said, but I would like to see an episode where Helen learns to fight. :) She had to have been taught by someone, and I would ike to see that history of her. :)


This was probably the most intense episode I have seen on Sanctuary so far. Amanda played it to the hilt and was fantastic. I'm glad there wasn't a "B" story because it would have lessened the tension for the main story.
I will have to watch it again because I did miss some of the dialog (or so it seems after reading all the comments). I know that some of the story will be explained in future episodes...so I guess we will have to just wait!
I can sure see how Amanda said it took 3 months until her neck totally healed after being thrown against the wall. There was fantastic action in this episode. I don't remember Sam ever going through anything like this. There were small things but fight was about 1/2 the episode.
All I can say it top acting by Amanda and Ian, top writing by Damian and top directing by Martin. They all deserve nominations for this episode. Really "HOT" episode. Thank you to all of them!

Good points. ;) I want to hear from her how many bruises she had, and how sore she must have been. :p I SO hope this episode gets some award noms. :)


gawd, this ep was a whump lovers dream! :p

i wonder just how many of those stunts were amanda?

I can see you cheering Adam on when he was beating her. :( :p



Dude, she *killed* him a century ago. She will do what she deems best to do.


And she did say something along the lines of "I killed you once; this will be like cleaning up afterwards" (or some such thing).

Yeah but, who knows what happened back then, after all, people change after 100 years. I think Helen couldn't let him die this time because he was beaten, and maybe she thought she could help him this time. Plus, he does have info she needs.

Personally, I WANTED Helen to leave him behind. :p

charles582
November 27th, 2010, 10:33 PM
In the previous episode, animus, will stated that his mother is from dublin. Adam had either a scottish or irish accent. You guys think it possible that adam and will are related?

mandogater
November 27th, 2010, 10:40 PM
I got the impression he couldn't see her through the water when he had the goggles on. After touching the device and getting knocked out she broke one of the pipes as she fell. When she came to, he was on the other side of the water spray and acted as if he couldn't see her.

mandogater
November 27th, 2010, 10:52 PM
--Interesting how Adam knows most of The Five (the only one he didn't mention by name was Griffin) and how funny that he said he liked Tesla because you knew where you stood with him. I can't wait to see the interaction between Nikola and Adam.
--Adam's first line to Helen: "Helen, you look beautiful." When Tesla was first introduced, the end of his note said, "P.S. You look hot." When Watson first appears, he tells Helen she has changed a bit - referring to London in the Spring of 1888. Bottom line: HELEN IS GORGEOUS!!!
--Loved seeing the flashback. I want more of those! And doesn't anyone else want to see when/how Helen learned all the fighting skills she has?!?!

-- Adam and Tesla scenes FTW!

-- I think even a blind man would agree with us on that one.

-- More flashbacks ASAP!!!

mandogater
November 27th, 2010, 11:05 PM
The part with the chain was really really HAWT!!I'm going to watch this episode again. I know I missed some stuff cause I was enraptured with the awesomeness that was Helen Magnus kicking ass!!!

That's what makes me wonder if Helen studied kung fu at some point. I believe there is a chain whip weapon used in kung fu.

gotthammer
November 27th, 2010, 11:28 PM
That's what makes me wonder if Helen studied kung fu at some point. I believe there is a chain whip weapon used in kung fu.

There is (never liked the chain or segmented weapons, tho'. Too many stories of people hitting themselves :D ).
I liked the choreography of the episode as it was quite good for TV (actually looked better than some of the stuff I've seen on Nikita, I think). Good, but could be better (for example: she 'played' around w/ the staff a bit too much, IMHO. Of course, it could be argued that she was trying to 'show off' that she had skills to stave off her opponent...still... :D )
As for learning martial arts/kung fu: Quite possible. I mean, her character's shown proficiency in hand-to-hand and weapons, plus she's been around the world. It wouldn't be surprising if she sampled various cultures' martial arts throughout her long life.

siles
November 27th, 2010, 11:39 PM
I don't think so. It was only a couple of hours at the most and the three of them were supposed to be meeting with some scared abby....no time to question.

and, for all we know, helen and adam beat each other up for hours while it was all of 2 minutes outside.

I bet that the cut on her hand becomes significant. maybe her first sign that she's not well, it doesn't heal. it was made too much of a big deal/obvious plot point for it to be nothing.

Actually you got it all wrong. The time was flowing normally outside the compound, but was highly accelerated inside - it was flowing faster. 1s outside= several hours, days inside the bubble

AresLover452
November 28th, 2010, 12:08 AM
That's what makes me wonder if Helen studied kung fu at some point. I believe there is a chain whip weapon used in kung fu.

She has had a lot of time on her hands... lol!! I hope we see some more fight scenes with her.

Chelle DB
November 28th, 2010, 12:15 AM
I went to my daughters dance concert today and there was a dance performed that reminded me of this episode...it was violent and just plain insane - not something I am used to from a dance concert.
I really do love this episode but I think for me, Requiem still remains my top favourite - Breach was very violent much like Pavor Nocturnus which still makes me cringe at certain scenes...not cringe in a bad tacky way but cringe in a OMG ouch kinda way. :) Breach was full of ouch...I swear I'm not complaining but I'm just not used to watching a beating go on for soooo long.

Celandine
November 28th, 2010, 03:14 AM
Actually you got it all wrong. The time was flowing normally outside the compound, but was highly accelerated inside - it was flowing faster. 1s outside= several hours, days inside the bubble

Or perhaps time was flowing excruciatingly slow inside, hence when Helen fired the bullet at the window pane in the beginning of the ep, it took what seemed hours to shatter the glass.

ETA: I scanned a couple pages back, so not sure if this was brought up or not. Am I the only one that had a problem with the fact that abandoned buildings typically will NOT have their water still turned on? Most times, the line will be shut off to avoid pipe breakage and such and needless calls of the water company out to fix the flood if something was to occur.

dipsofjazz
November 28th, 2010, 05:19 AM
Or perhaps time was flowing excruciatingly slow inside, hence when Helen fired the bullet at the window pane in the beginning of the ep, it took what seemed hours to shatter the glass.

Adam tells Helen that time is accelerated inside the bubble.

meredithchandler73
November 28th, 2010, 05:26 AM
Or perhaps time was flowing excruciatingly slow inside, hence when Helen fired the bullet at the window pane in the beginning of the ep, it took what seemed hours to shatter the glass.

No, Adam said he sped up time, so what happened was everything Helen did to the outside wall of the building reacted slower. She tried to break the glass, but it didn't shatter...yet. And the bullet fired but stopped at the glass. Adam said the devices create time (or something like that) so he was speeding everything within the building up. When the energy devices blew up, the glass broke and the gunshot finished firing. I like that simply because there have been many stories on many scifi shows about being caught in some kind of time-dilation and everything is moving slower - not faster.

I am *SOOOO* glad to have this forum to read other thoughts and comments! I had watched the episode twice without picking up on the two different accents Adam has. I believe his gentle side has an Irish accent and the evil personality has a British accent. Even without picking up on the accents (and I'm sure I'm not the only one that didn't catch that), the actor does an awesome job of showing the differences in the two personalities. But it's great to watch it again and pay attention to that. It is clearly Good!Adam that forgives Helen at the end. I want to know more about this daughter that Helen couldn't save. I CANNOT WAIT TO SEE MORE OF THIS CHARACTER AND HIS INTERACTION WITH THE OTHER CHARACTERS - PAST AND PRESENT!!!

Speaking of past, I'm really happy others are clamoring to see Helen learning to fight. I'd be really interested to know when she started learning hand-to-hand combat and how to use various weapons. Was it an interest of hers before the Sanctuary came into her life? We know that up to a point, Helen didn't know what her father had been working on and it was after she confronted him and wanted him to let her be involved that she became aware of the Sanctuary. How unusual was it for Helen to have carried a gun and known how to use it back in Victorian times (as she did with Druitt - which was certainly after she got involved with the Sanctuary)? Helen showed terrific fighting skills and it's interesting that we've barely seen them until now. I'm actually kind of glad. It's not as if she really enjoys fighting so if there is to be some sort of confrontation, better for her to have her gun to keep her opponent in check. :)

Just some of the things we know so far and some questions that have arisen:
--The beings with Kali that Will spoke to are somehow connected to the Holo City. {Do they live in the Holo City? Are they leaders? Are they considered Gods that the creatures pray to such as some humans pray to Kali? Are there more beings there with great power or was it just those 3?}
--Gregory is there/has been there/has been in contact with the beings from the Holo City. {How did he get there/find these beings? When? Gregory gave those gifts (which make up the map) to Helen when she was 26 and 34 - had he already been to the city by then? Or only known about it and known that he was leaving her a map for her which he could not follow himself at that time? Has he only been there since his recent visit to the Sanctuary?}
--Adam has been to the Holo City. {But for how long? Ever since he was shot and fell off the cliff? And why exactly was he kicked out?}
--Adam know most, if not all of The Five. {What was their connection? Was he brought into the group as a like-mind, interested in studying abnormals? As far as I can see, he isn't an abnormal himself but a dual personality. How long has he had that dual personality? What did Adam mean when he said Watson was the only one that would give him a fair chance? Simply that he was new to the group and Watson was more welcoming while the others weren't? How much of a network had the Sanctuary become at that time? Was it simply The Five? Was this the beginning of creating a larger network? Adam seems to have two accents - Irish and British. Had he lived in both countries? Or perhaps his mother was one nationality and his father the other?}
--Helen shot Adam. {Was this a task assigned to her? Did she take it upon herself to try to stop Adam? Adam was right about Helen changing over 100 years. The Helen confronting Adam with a rifle didn't have the resolve we usually see in her. She seemed very conflicted about shooting Adam.}
--The creators of the Holo City were suspicious of vampires and included security measures to keep them out.
--Adam calls the creatures that attacked Will his "pale friends" and he sent them to get the info about the map. {Where did he find those creatures? Are they the ones that created the map and live in the Holo City? Adam said the beings could fold time which was how he created the subspace rifts to move around, but Adam needed their energy source (the devices on the ceiling) for his invention to work. I didn't think those pale creepy creatures were folding time, but I could be wrong.}

HAVE I MENTIONED LATELY HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS SHOW?!?!?

Chelle DB
November 28th, 2010, 05:30 AM
Adam tells Helen that time is accelerated inside the bubble.
Yep - he certainly does! :) But being a bubble does anyone think that it encapsulates the whole city or just the surrounding area? Coz if it's only local, then Biggie wouldn't be affected so he would be aware of a problem of it was an extended period of time that they were away for...right?
So assuming time is sped up inside, then the outside time is slower so Helen wouldn't be missed. Makes sense. :)

kes
November 28th, 2010, 05:39 AM
* would going through the rift unprotected cause real damage? i guess water helps protect, b/c it looked like helen was putting water all over herself (and jekyll was rubbing something on himself too)




It wasnt water, he actually avoided the water.

kes
November 28th, 2010, 05:49 AM
I was thinking more along the Johnny Carson show...but The Shining works too. :P



:D Think he channel surfed a bit while palning this attack? LOL

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 06:05 AM
adding to the creepiness....when helen's on the roof there's no wind. which is also a clue. on a building that tall there's always wind. but nothing, which was also a clue to the time bubble

Chelle DB
November 28th, 2010, 06:08 AM
I am *SOOOO* glad to have this forum to read other thoughts and comments! I had watched the episode twice without picking up on the two different accents Adam has. I believe his gentle side has an Irish accent and the evil personality has a British accent. It is clearly Good!Adam that forgives Helen at the end. I want to know more about this daughter that Helen couldn't save.
I'd be really interested to know when she started learning hand-to-hand combat and how to use various weapons. Helen showed terrific fighting skills and it's interesting that we've barely seen them until now. I'm actually kind of glad. It's not as if she really enjoys fighting so if there is to be some sort of confrontation, better for her to have her gun to keep her opponent in check.
I thought I was just hearing things at first when he spoke with an Irish accent - I love the dual personality and the two distinct accents that go along with them. I do believe however that Adam is an abnormal and not just some with a split personality. Just MHO tho. :)
I wouldn't be surprised if Helen was taught self defense once she decide to enter the Sanctuary. I would like to think that Gregory made sure that Helen knew how to protect herself before letting her take a role in the Sanctuary or sending her out to collect abnormals etc.
So Helen has her bum gun and now she has her bum baton - did you notice her pulling it up and out of her derriere?? :P Bum baton!!! :P
I suspect that Gregory discovered HoloCity/Hollow Earth before Helen joined the Sanctuary network. Either that or he's jumped back & forth in time. Which is possible given that Adam appears to have done that. Maybe that's why Gregory knows so much and seems to be in places where he probably shouldn't be.
So looking at when Helen shot Adam, that looks like it's set in a time in the early 1900's rather than in the Victorian era...it doesn't look like jolly old England to me. But I have been known to be wrong. :P So he may have very well known the Five from early days and then after some time and maybe him making some huge mistakes, Helen's been ordered to eliminate him...maybe he's grown into a big threat and they don't want another Druitt. I dunno, I'm just rambling & trying to figure some of it out. I should probably wait for the rest of the season. :P

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 06:11 AM
ETA: I scanned a couple pages back, so not sure if this was brought up or not. Am I the only one that had a problem with the fact that abandoned buildings typically will NOT have their water still turned on? Most times, the line will be shut off to avoid pipe breakage and such and needless calls of the water company out to fix the flood if something was to occur.

production quibble?

sacrificing 'reality' for the sake of making a plot work?

on the other hand, is it possible that fire suppressant sprinklers are immune from the 'turning off the water' rules? (and it's not often to keep them from bursting as it is no one is paying for water service in an abandoned building, thus the water company will shut it off simply due to non-payment)

I think, for the story to work, they needed water, thus the water was on.

Chelle DB
November 28th, 2010, 06:11 AM
:D Think he channel surfed a bit while planing this attack? LOL
Yep. Why not...can't think of anything more interesting than to channel surf!! :P:P I always associate the "Here's Johnny" line with Johnny Carson. Mind you I haven't watched the show - only seen bits on specials that have aired here. :)

Chelle DB
November 28th, 2010, 06:14 AM
I think, for the story to work, they needed water, thus the water was on.
I don't know about you guys around the world but it's easy to turn the water on - you just need to find the meter and the tap and turn it on. Simple. There's no hidden valve anywhere that stops you from accessing the water. So anyone could have turned it on after the water company has turned it off. Just a thought. :)

Chelle DB
November 28th, 2010, 06:17 AM
adding to the creepiness....when helen's on the roof there's no wind. which is also a clue. on a building that tall there's always wind. but nothing, which was also a clue to the time bubble
I never really noticed that but you're right...no wind....and Helen is looking all around her like she already knows there's something very wrong with the air outside.

ann_sgcfan
November 28th, 2010, 06:55 AM
production quibble?

sacrificing 'reality' for the sake of making a plot work?

on the other hand, is it possible that fire suppressant sprinklers are immune from the 'turning off the water' rules? (and it's not often to keep them from bursting as it is no one is paying for water service in an abandoned building, thus the water company will shut it off simply due to non-payment)

I think, for the story to work, they needed water, thus the water was on.

Regarding the sprinklers - Given the age of the building, when they shut the water off to the building it would have also shut off the water supply to the sprinklers, remember when Helen wanted to wash the wound on her hand and the dirty water that flowed out of the faucet and then quit. Same concept with the sprinklers. The sprinklers would have maintained it's stale water supply until someone released it. The initial spray from the first sprinkler head would have been accurate, but it would have decreased significantly in water supply and pressure the more sprinkler heads she knocked off. They just extended it in TV land. :P

suse
November 28th, 2010, 07:14 AM
Actually you got it all wrong. The time was flowing normally outside the compound, but was highly accelerated inside - it was flowing faster. 1s outside= several hours, days inside the bubble

:confused: That *is* what Sky said.

suse
November 28th, 2010, 07:22 AM
Yep - he certainly does! :) But being a bubble does anyone think that it encapsulates the whole city or just the surrounding area? Coz if it's only local, then Biggie wouldn't be affected so he would be aware of a problem of it was an extended period of time that they were away for...right?
So assuming time is sped up inside, then the outside time is slower so Helen wouldn't be missed. Makes sense. :)

It's just the building. That's why Will & Kate (and the bird - :lol: I thought it was a butterfly at first) looked frozen and why the bullet took so long to penetrate the glass. You can see when Helen sees Will and Kate a kind of crinkling to the air. That's the edge.

Celandine
November 28th, 2010, 08:17 AM
Adam tells Helen that time is accelerated inside the bubble.


No, Adam said he sped up time, so what happened was everything Helen did to the outside wall of the building reacted slower. She tried to break the glass, but it didn't shatter...yet. And the bullet fired but stopped at the glass. Adam said the devices create time (or something like that) so he was speeding everything within the building up. When the energy devices blew up, the glass broke and the gunshot finished firing. I like that simply because there have been many stories on many scifi shows about being caught in some kind of time-dilation and everything is moving slower - not faster.

Totally missed that then. Guess that's what I get for watching it at 2 in the morning with my gf. I'm bound to miss key pieces of info necessary to the understanding of what the heck is going on. :rolleyes:

I will rewatch the ep again later today.


production quibble?

sacrificing 'reality' for the sake of making a plot work?

on the other hand, is it possible that fire suppressant sprinklers are immune from the 'turning off the water' rules? (and it's not often to keep them from bursting as it is no one is paying for water service in an abandoned building, thus the water company will shut it off simply due to non-payment)

I think, for the story to work, they needed water, thus the water was on.

Yeah. Maybe. I've just never heard of water still being kept on, even for the sake of a sprinkler system. If it's abandoned and catches fire, then it burns and the fire company comes out and puts it out. Wreckers come later and demolish it and it's wiped off the map and nobody is sad for that fact. It was my only 'wtf' throughout Breach. Time dilation and ninja moves by Helen..easy. :P

jckfan55
November 28th, 2010, 08:47 AM
Regarding the sprinklers - Given the age of the building, when they shut the water off to the building it would have also shut off the water supply to the sprinklers, remember when Helen wanted to wash the wound on her hand and the dirty water that flowed out of the faucet and then quit. Same concept with the sprinklers. The sprinklers would have maintained it's stale water supply until someone released it. The initial spray from the first sprinkler head would have been accurate, but it would have decreased significantly in water supply and pressure the more sprinkler heads she knocked off. They just extended it in TV land. :P

Luckily I was involved enough in the episode that I didn't notice it.

As for killing Adam this time--I think she was prepared to do it. That stab was no love tap ;) but she realized she needed him to figure out the city etc.

As for the stunts I really couldn't tell if/when they had a stunt woman. Excellent work.

hedwig
November 28th, 2010, 08:58 AM
It's just the building. That's why Will & Kate (and the bird - :lol: I thought it was a butterfly at first) looked frozen and why the bullet took so long to penetrate the glass. You can see when Helen sees Will and Kate a kind of crinkling to the air. That's the edge.

And in the scene where she found the window with the chunk out of it, she saw a leaf suspended in the air outside the window.

Rocky89
November 28th, 2010, 09:00 AM
I went to my daughters dance concert today and there was a dance performed that reminded me of this episode...it was violent and just plain insane - not something I am used to from a dance concert.
I really do love this episode but I think for me, Requiem still remains my top favourite - Breach was very violent much like Pavor Nocturnus which still makes me cringe at certain scenes...not cringe in a bad tacky way but cringe in a OMG ouch kinda way. :) Breach was full of ouch...I swear I'm not complaining but I'm just not used to watching a beating go on for soooo long.

Pavor and Breach both make me cringe. :p For most people, the hose scene is what scares them/makes them cringe, but like most people say, it's because it's a disturbing scene. The fighting scenes make me cringe because they're like you said, Chelle, they're "OMG ouch", but I still love them though. :D


adding to the creepiness....when helen's on the roof there's no wind. which is also a clue. on a building that tall there's always wind. but nothing, which was also a clue to the time bubble

Another reason why those moments creeped me out, they were just so silent and isolating, it really gave you a sense that she was alone.


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I wouldn't be surprised if Helen was taught self defense once she decide to enter the Sanctuary. I would like to think that Gregory made sure that Helen knew how to protect herself before letting her take a role in the Sanctuary or sending her out to collect abnormals etc.

She may have been self taught, but there's only so much one can teach themselves. I would still like to see an episode where Helen learned to fight/self-defense. Maybe her father did teach her how to fight or maybe she learned it from a martial arts master or something. :p


So Helen has her bum gun and now she has her bum baton - did you notice her pulling it up and out of her derriere?? :P Bum baton!!! :P

Hehe, you're so cute, Chelle. :p What does that mean though? :p But yeah, I did notice some bum shots in there. :p Btw, you missed one at the end when she has Adam on the ground and she's all wet. :p

meredithchandler73
November 28th, 2010, 09:25 AM
I was remembering the only other time-going-faster story that I could think of: the SGA episode titled - haha - Sanctuary. John Shepard gets pulled into a sanctuary where time goes much faster for the people inside as they prepare themselves to ascend. I'm trying to remember how fast time was going inside, but I can't recall the exact calculations. I'm thinking that time was actually moving faster for Helen and Adam - it's just that only a few seconds went by in the outside world while on the SGA episode, a couple of hours went by.

In the flashback Helen says something like, "You should have listened to me. It needn't have come to this." What was she talking about? Had she recommended some sort of treatment for Adam's split personality or to control his darker side? Was he experimenting with something that Helen warned him was too dangerous? Did that cause his split personality or simply made one of them violent and unstable? I'm still not seeing any evidence of him being an abnormal. Looking forward to hearing more about the backstory.

EH-T
November 28th, 2010, 09:36 AM
Haven't had time to read through all the comments yet but...


Wow.
Sanctuary has the best bad guys. :D

Awesome ep!

I soooo have to agree with this. It is not just that they are bad but there is so much more to them: Adam, Telsa, Druitt. One of my complaints with season two was getting rid of the Cabal too quickly and not having a face to face between Helen and the head of the Cabal. Wanted to know more about her.







Did anyone get what the deal was with the liquid Helen and Adam were putting on their clothes and why? Oh and did Adam avoid the water because it would wash off the liquid? Umm...what was the liquid?


i thought that fluid was some sort of combustible. It looked like she was making molitov cocktails.



I thought that it needed a better explanation. I assume it wasn't water because if it was, the best way for Helen to apply it was to stand under the sprinkler not from the container. The container looked like a gas can but, if so, where did that come from? How did she know that's what Adam was using from his flask? Maybe she could smell it but, if so, there should have been some comment from her to clue us in.


Just wanted to pop in and say how much I enjoyed this episode. There's much to take away from this episode, I'm going to have to think about it more. But from a non content perspective, for me, watching some of my favorite actors get challenging material to work with is really satisfying, especially when they can pull it off, like Amanda did in this episode. That martial arts stuff with the staff/rebar and fighting with a chain can't be easy to learn in a hurry!

I really do love the physicality of this episode. Its the kind of stuff I always wished the sg1 PTB would let Sam do more of, because I could see the potential in the small glimpses of hand to hand combat sparcely splattered here and there. So this really makes up for it.

Ms Amanda, you're awesome! Your characters always whump up so well! and always convincingly so.

And can I say, Ian Tracey, I hope to see more of you. You were awesome too, sir! Such an engaging character. Sanctuary Casting, you sure sure know where to find these awesome actors. I'm really enjoying seeing AT acting opposite the likes of Tracey, Young, Wingfield and of course the great CH.

What can I say, I just love the fighting, especially hand to hand type! Now I want to see Magnus and Druitt do some good old Victorian fencing. With rapiers. Just kidding, better make it foils.

I hope everyone had a great thanksgiving. :)

I completely agree with your comments regarding Sam.

General thoughts on the episode:

Loved it!

AT and IT were both brilliant. Is there anyone out there that AT doesn't have chemistry with? In Canada, we have been spoiled by knowing IT well from his many TV and movie appearances. Glad he is no longer just our little secret. Looking forward to more episodes with these two together and can't wait to see if we get Helen, Adam, John and Tesla all together in scenes in FKAC!

I'm not a whumper but thought the fight scenes were very well done. Loved seeing Helen kick butt! Favourite line: "Stop hitting me" Brilliant delivery by AT.

Loved how Helen's mind was always working in figuring everything out, especially given her predicament.

Loved all the teaser information about the City. I have some inside info from the tour that I can't share so I won't talk about future developments.

Loved the "you still hit like a girl" line.

Can't wait to find out what Adam did that resulted in Helen killing him. Seems so out of character for her. I know we have seen her shoot other abnormals but only when they pose a direct threat and it is usually something to subdue them not kill them. Then there is Bertha. She didn't kill Bertha despite the threat she posed so Adam must have been pretty bad for Helen to shoot him when he was unarmed and not an immediate threat.

Loved we have still not forgotten Ashley.

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 09:53 AM
bertha and adam were totally different, to me anyway.

Bertha theoretically had connections with unknown number of abnormals and possibly ties with the earth itself (as we later saw, she was right), adam was simply a schizophrenic man who was incredibly brilliant in one half, and irrepressibly and joyfully violent in the other half....he was the ultimate serial killer in a way. smart enough not to be caught, so violent that he was unstoppable.

I don't think adam was an abby. He was simply a mentally ill man who wrecked so much havoc that he had to be stopped...and locking him up wasn't an option. (back then, escape would have been easy short of putting him in truly horrible places, killing him would have been the better mercy)

Helen, as we've seen, will protect the abbies that she can, but she also fully acknowledges that some are better off dead and simply can't be saved or protected. some are too violent/horrible to survive. That was probably the hardest lesson she had to learn, that she couldn't help them all.

Rocky89
November 28th, 2010, 10:01 AM
General thoughts on the episode:

Loved it!

AT and IT were both brilliant. Is there anyone out there that AT doesn't have chemistry with? In Canada, we have been spoiled by knowing IT well from his many TV and movie appearances. Glad he is no longer just our little secret. Looking forward to more episodes with these two together and can't wait to see if we get Helen, Adam, John and Tesla all together in scenes in FKAC!

Apparently not. :p I also can't wait to FKaC, it looks to be another solid episode. :)


I'm not a whumper but thought the fight scenes were very well done. Loved seeing Helen kick butt! Favourite line: "Stop hitting me" Brilliant delivery by AT.

Loved how Helen's mind was always working in figuring everything out, especially given her predicament.

I'm an even lesser whump fan than you, but I loved that line, and it was great seeing Helen giving as much as she can take. :) And I also love that after 3 years, we get our first big Helen fight, and she's the winner. :)


Loved the "you still hit like a girl" line.

I was hoping she would through a counter line back at him, but she didn't :p


Loved we have still not forgotten Ashley.

Agreed, you could see it was effecting Helen, but she didn't let it get to her, and she was still able to fight smart. :)

llp
November 28th, 2010, 10:07 AM
Or perhaps time was flowing excruciatingly slow inside, hence when Helen fired the bullet at the window pane in the beginning of the ep, it took what seemed hours to shatter the glass.

ETA: I scanned a couple pages back, so not sure if this was brought up or not. Am I the only one that had a problem with the fact that abandoned buildings typically will NOT have their water still turned on? Most times, the line will be shut off to avoid pipe breakage and such and needless calls of the water company out to fix the flood if something was to occur.

If it were an abandon house, yes, the water would absolutely be turned off. But many abandoned building leave there water on to prevent major fire hazards.

EH-T
November 28th, 2010, 10:08 AM
bertha and adam were totally different, to me anyway.

Bertha theoretically had connections with unknown number of abnormals and possibly ties with the earth itself (as we later saw, she was right), adam was simply a schizophrenic man who was incredibly brilliant in one half, and irrepressibly and joyfully violent in the other half....he was the ultimate serial killer in a way. smart enough not to be caught, so violent that he was unstoppable.

I don't think adam was an abby. He was simply a mentally ill man who wrecked so much havoc that he had to be stopped...and locking him up wasn't an option. (back then, escape would have been easy short of putting him in truly horrible places, killing him would have been the better mercy)

Helen, as we've seen, will protect the abbies that she can, but she also fully acknowledges that some are better off dead and simply can't be saved or protected. some are too violent/horrible to survive. That was probably the hardest lesson she had to learn, that she couldn't help them all.

Good point about Bertha. I wasn't suggesting Adam was an abnormal. Not sure at this point. Just that we haven't seen Helen shoot anyone or anything in cold blood (that I can remember). I think shooting Adam when he was unarmed is pretty extreme so can't wait to find out what he did. Maybe you are right about the "mercy" part.

Couple more points about the episode. I realise they want the teaser to keep people watching but I am not particularly a fan of the teaser being the end (or close) of the episode and then starting the episode from "earlier". Do love the end though. That certainly makes me want to tune in next week (like I wouldn't have done so anyway :p)

Mandysg1
November 28th, 2010, 10:09 AM
I too look forward to seeing more of Adam with Helen. My thoughts on why Helen tried to kill him, is that as the Hyde persona, he was very dangerous, in his penchant for violence and murder. If we actuall saw him 'morph' into the monster that was 'Hyde' it would be easy to say, yea shoot him. As the 'monster' hiding behind the eyes, it's much more scarier, as you don't know who you are looking at.

I do think he is an abnormal, that there are actually two people in there, we have seen the Two-faced guy, with two seperate personalities, here we have the two seperate personalities, but only one face. Very well played by IT!

jmoz
November 28th, 2010, 10:09 AM
Fun, intriguing, adrenaline-filled episode. Answered some questions and raised more questions.

Jacquelyn
November 28th, 2010, 10:39 AM
Also loved the boots she’s wearing!

:lol: Me too!

And I must say..again: She did a fantastic job in this episode. I can't get over how well this played out :D

jckfan55
November 28th, 2010, 11:13 AM
I too look forward to seeing more of Adam with Helen. My thoughts on why Helen tried to kill him, is that as the Hyde persona, he was very dangerous, in his penchant for violence and murder. If we actuall saw him 'morph' into the monster that was 'Hyde' it would be easy to say, yea shoot him. As the 'monster' hiding behind the eyes, it's much more scarier, as you don't know who you are looking at.

I do think he is an abnormal, that there are actually two people in there, we have seen the Two-faced guy, with two seperate personalities, here we have the two seperate personalities, but only one face. Very well played by IT!

Yes, I think he's some kind of abnormal or experiment gone wrong. My guess from what Magnus said is that he was running amok and wouldn't let Helen or anyone else help him. This would seem to be after the Jack the Ripper situation in time-- though Adam apparently knew him (maybe he grew up around the Five? he refers to himself as a lad at one point)--so Helen was probably less likely to take chances at that time in her life.

majorsal
November 28th, 2010, 02:34 PM
Yeah, but-- I don't know why but I find the times she looked out the window creepy, they were just so silent and... creepy. It really added to the isolated effect, even when she saw Will and Kate down below.



it was creepy, along with the scene when she first goes up on the roof (not the intro scene, but the real time one)... she goes up, but just stands there and looks around. the way it was filmed made me feel like adam was suddenly going to pop out at any time. i kept waiting to flinch :p

majorsal
November 28th, 2010, 02:36 PM
In the previous episode, animus, will stated that his mother is from dublin. Adam had either a scottish or irish accent. You guys think it possible that adam and will are related?

i don't think they're related. :)

so adam had the irish (or scottish) accent, but hyde was english? seems that way. :p

majorsal
November 28th, 2010, 02:38 PM
That's what makes me wonder if Helen studied kung fu at some point. I believe there is a chain whip weapon used in kung fu.

i hope we get a flashback (season 4 hopefully :D) that shows just how and when helen learned these fighting skills. :)

majorsal
November 28th, 2010, 02:55 PM
I went to my daughters dance concert today and there was a dance performed that reminded me of this episode...it was violent and just plain insane - not something I am used to from a dance concert.
I really do love this episode but I think for me, Requiem still remains my top favourite - Breach was very violent much like Pavor Nocturnus which still makes me cringe at certain scenes...not cringe in a bad tacky way but cringe in a OMG ouch kinda way. :) Breach was full of ouch...I swear I'm not complaining but I'm just not used to watching a beating go on for soooo long.

i didn't really cringe, b/c helen didn't seem to be *that* fazed by it. i mean, after that first beating, i would have been in for, so i'm thinking adam/hyde was holding back, or helen's adreneline was kicked up, or... helen heals faster than normal?

or i'm reading too much into this! :p

(part of the fun of whump is to see the 'ow' afterwards :p)


btw, i loved adam's 'ouch' after the first time helen hit him with the chain! even my mom LOLed on that :p

llp
November 28th, 2010, 03:04 PM
Good point about Bertha. I wasn't suggesting Adam was an abnormal. Not sure at this point. Just that we haven't seen Helen shoot anyone or anything in cold blood (that I can remember). I think shooting Adam when he was unarmed is pretty extreme so can't wait to find out what he did. Maybe you are right about the "mercy" part. :p)

If he wasn't an abnormal, then how come he's still alive!

majorsal
November 28th, 2010, 03:10 PM
Loved all the teaser information about the City. I have some inside info from the tour that I can't share so I won't talk about future developments.


a wee request of you? if you can't share the info you know, could you please not tell us you know something, *unless* you can share it?

glad you enjoyed the ep. :)

EvenstarSRV
November 28th, 2010, 03:37 PM
Good point about Bertha. I wasn't suggesting Adam was an abnormal. Not sure at this point. Just that we haven't seen Helen shoot anyone or anything in cold blood (that I can remember). I think shooting Adam when he was unarmed is pretty extreme so can't wait to find out what he did. Maybe you are right about the "mercy" part.

That standoff with Adam reminded me quite a bit of the standoff between Helen and Druitt in the 1888 flashback. I don't think she shot either in cold blood, but it seemed like that was the only way she saw of stopping both of them before they killed more innocent people.

Regarding if Adam is an abnormal or not, maybe since he seems to know most of the Five, maybe he was a colleague of theirs at Oxford who hung around the edges of their inner circle. Perhaps he saw them using the Source blood but they wouldn't let him in on it, so he tried it himself behind their backs, thereby unleashing the Hyde persona?

As for how he survived, there's a spoiler in B roll or VFX clips for S3 where you see Druitt rescuing him in the river and then two robed people pulling him out of the water. Maybe that's why he said that place, the cliff area, was important, it's one of the entrances to Hollow Earth.

jckfan55
November 28th, 2010, 04:01 PM
i didn't really cringe, b/c helen didn't seem to be *that* phased by it. i mean, after that first beating, i would have been in for, so i'm thinking adam/hyde was holding back, or helen's adreneline was kicked up, or... helen heals faster than normal?

I think Hyde basically said he wanted to drag it out, whereas Adam wanted to be merciful and finish her off quickly. But I do think Helen is stronger than the average person & was also going on adreneline. STill, she seemed on the verge of collapse at the end. I wouldn't be surprised if Will & Kate had to help her to the van.

jckfan55
November 28th, 2010, 04:03 PM
If he wasn't an abnormal, then how come he's still alive!

time folding? :S

majorsal
November 28th, 2010, 04:14 PM
I think Hyde basically said he wanted to drag it out, whereas Adam wanted to be merciful and finish her off quickly. But I do think Helen is stronger than the average person & was also going on adreneline. STill, she seemed on the verge of collapse at the end. I wouldn't be surprised if Will & Kate had to help her to the van.

thank you for reminding me, jckfan! ;)

so that gives me the impression he 'was' holding back a bit, but i agree about her looking near collapse at the end.

i love this ep! :p

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 04:15 PM
time folding? :S

that's what I think

he did the opposite of what he did in the warehouse, put himself in a bubble where time moves faster than the rest of the world (or would that be slower?) so that he doesn't age but the rest of the world goes on normally

it's also possible that, in his time in that city, it exists out of time

i think it may also tie back to pavor...did that glowy smoky critter that showed helen the future REALLY show her the future and it happened in that little time bubble.

i don't think it's a coincidence that the smoky effect of the pavor abnormal was echoed in the other two avatars with Kali, and i think Will has been in this city. He 'fell', i think he fell into the super caldera and was there

hedwig
November 28th, 2010, 04:21 PM
thank you for reminding me, jckfan! ;)

so that gives me the impression he 'was' holding back a bit, but i agree about her looking near collapse at the end.

i love this ep! :p

I'd like to see Helen's workout room in the Sanctuary. She must spend a lot of time there to be in such good shape. :D

jckfan55
November 28th, 2010, 04:52 PM
i think it may also tie back to pavor...did that glowy smoky critter that showed helen the future REALLY show her the future and it happened in that little time bubble.


Maybe--and now it won't happen. I wondered that at the time. I like that it was left mysterious.

hisg1fans
November 28th, 2010, 05:33 PM
.....
Loved the "you still hit like a girl" line. .....


And I loved Helen's return comment...."You want some more of them?" LOL

I liked the show quite a bit. I was thinking "time dilation field" very early on, even before Helen saw the leaf out the window. And of course, the "fall" over the side of the building looked like going through a wormhole sideways. So between the Stargate flashbacks, the Pavor Nocturnus flashbacks, and being in awe of the fight scenes, I was glued to the TV the entire time. And for the second and third viewings as well.

Couldn't quite place the time for Adam's gas mask, but I'm thinking WWI era. Anybody know for sure? That fits with the "100 years" reference, close enough anyway. I'm wondering if Adam didn't come along 50 or so years after the Five and learned of them through Helen's father or Helen's work with him. I guess I don't think he necessarily has to be a contemporary.

I assumed the liquid in the can and flask was something more viscous than water to absorb whatever energy you might be exposed to in the time portals. Don't know though. Loved how Helen started planning her escape and his capture early on. And wondered if Adam was actually even in our universe (more like a hologram) when he couldn't see through the water. Hmmm.

I've mentioned several times I would like to see an episode where Helen learns to fight. She's shown several styles from differing time periods, so it wasn't just one set of training. Loved her accumulation and assembly of the various weapons she used, clever girl!

Am wondering about the "pale visitors" from the earlier episode. Which one as it?

Again, I'm wondering about the title "Breach". Was it a reference to breaching time? To the other side getting to this one? To Adam getting into the Sanctuary like Helen's father breached and relayed information to the Cabal? To a breach in Helen's armor of invincibility for screwing up Adam? Could be several or many things, just like Animus.

Did I mention I liked the fight scenes?

I've heard Damian or Martin (or both) say this is the episode they've wanted to make since Sanctuary started. Why? To make AT do lots of stunts and show a kick-a$$ Helen? To do a time dilation show? To explore the "inner earth" theory?

Had more thoughts, but they are gone now. It is a sign of getting old I hear ;)

(Edit) And the leather jacket in the flashback was absolutley AWESOME!!!!!!!

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 05:38 PM
pale visitors, the 'creepies' that went after will in Firewall

suse
November 28th, 2010, 05:47 PM
time folding? :S


Tessering?

suse
gotta love Madeleine L'Engle

MidwifeOnBoard
November 28th, 2010, 07:05 PM
For those who were as enamored by Helen's boots as I was, I was talking about them today with my sister, and she said to me: "Oh, I know those boots. I had those boots, but I decided to return them because I wasn't sure how often I would actually wear them. They are $945 Tods boots." :eek:



So Helen has her bum gun and now she has her bum baton - did you notice her pulling it up and out of her derriere?? :P Bum baton!!! :P


She had the chain wrapped around her waist and the baton tucked into the chain at her back. Not quite as miraculous as the gun bum. ;)


If he wasn't an abnormal, then how come he's still alive!

He mentioned accelerating time. I don't think he was only talking about in the building.




I've heard Damian or Martin (or both) say this is the episode they've wanted to make since Sanctuary started. Why? To make AT do lots of stunts and show a kick-a$$ Helen? To do a time dilation show? To explore the "inner earth" theory?


I'm guessing it had something to do with the very traditional comic-book feel and the kick-ass fighting. They always talk about the show being like a graphic novel, and this episode was one of the most graphic-novel feeling ones they've ever done IMO.

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 07:12 PM
well, kate did say that - in not so many words - helen has more money than god

Rocky89
November 28th, 2010, 07:16 PM
it was creepy, along with the scene when she first goes up on the roof (not the intro scene, but the real time one)... she goes up, but just stands there and looks around. the way it was filmed made me feel like adam was suddenly going to pop out at any time. i kept waiting to flinch :p

What would have happened if she had jumper, would she have been frozen in time too?


i hope we get a flashback (season 4 hopefully :D) that shows just how and when helen learned these fighting skills. :)

I still want to see where, when, and how Helen learned to fight. They did an episode of Xena where we saw her learn to fight and use physic powers or something. :p She went to a female ninja or something. :p


I'd like to see Helen's workout room in the Sanctuary. She must spend a lot of time there to be in such good shape. :D

That is an EXCELLENT idea. A good gym scene would be good. ;):p


well, kate did say that - in not so many words - helen has more money than god

When was this?

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 07:30 PM
in firewall, kate is asking for money to pay off a source


Magnus: So, are we financially ruined?

Kate: With your net worth, we'll limp along for about another 300 years.

well, if helen has enough money to pay what i think to be thousands to sources for three hundred years...and Kate even rattled off at least 4 banks where helen has her money, i think 'more money than god' could be an accurate statement.....and certainly makes 945 dollar boots a possibility

MidwifeOnBoard
November 28th, 2010, 07:33 PM
in firewall, kate is asking for money to pay off a source



well, if helen has enough money to pay what i think to be thousands to sources for three hundred years...and Kate even rattled off at least 4 banks where helen has her money, i think 'more money than god' could be an accurate statement.....and certainly makes 945 dollar boots a possibility

LOL, that's for sure! Helen's clothes/shoes are quite designery. I'm sure she pays a pretty penny for most of them. ;) I LOVE Helen's shoes. :D I was just mildly jealous that my sister actually had the boots I was lusting after, even for a brief time. I will settle for my considerably less pricey Timberlands which were apparently knock offs of the Tods. Who knew? ;)

Skydiver
November 28th, 2010, 07:39 PM
ah heck, i'm too cheap to even own real uggs :)

I simply cannot imagine paying that much for a pair of boots.

that said, yes, helen does dress well. she's someone who's grown up to appreciate quality, and has always been in the situation to be able to afford it. quality but not ostentation.

EvenstarSRV
November 28th, 2010, 07:41 PM
Again, I'm wondering about the title "Breach". Was it a reference to breaching time? To the other side getting to this one? To Adam getting into the Sanctuary like Helen's father breached and relayed information to the Cabal? To a breach in Helen's armor of invincibility for screwing up Adam? Could be several or many things, just like Animus.

Good ideas. I'm thinking a combination of a breach in time by Adam and breach in Helen's armor.



I've heard Damian or Martin (or both) say this is the episode they've wanted to make since Sanctuary started. Why? To make AT do lots of stunts and show a kick-a$$ Helen? To do a time dilation show? To explore the "inner earth" theory?


IIRC, in an interview DK said that MW had been after him since the webisodes about a story where Helen gets left behind after a mission, encounters some kind of abnormal, almost dies after fighting it, then catches up with the others who have no clue what happened to her. I think DK kept saying that that wasn't a story it was just a dream directing exercise for MW, and then he finally found a way to make the story work with Adam as the villain and the hologram city.

mandogater
November 28th, 2010, 10:27 PM
i hope we get a flashback (season 4 hopefully :D) that shows just how and when helen learned these fighting skills. :)

Joins you in hoping that shows up in season 4 or sooner. I think it would be very interesting to see.

Chelle DB
November 29th, 2010, 01:13 AM
She had the chain wrapped around her waist and the baton tucked into the chain at her back. Not quite as miraculous as the gun bum. ;)
Actually she had just dropped the chain by the bathroom door and heard Adam as he was wrapping his injured arm and saying "it's alright"...she bent down and got her bum baton out of her belt and crept up to watch what Adam was doing.
Might not seem so miraculous but still...it was kinda cool. :P

We still haven't had confirmation for season 4 have we??
Did Amanda do all the stunts in Breach or did she also have a stunt double for the really hard stunts?

Ian-S
November 29th, 2010, 01:49 AM
regarding fighting skills, wouldn't that just be something she picked up off hubby? or maybe Ashley taught her.

sanctuary girl
November 29th, 2010, 05:40 AM
I would love to see how she learned all the fighting stuff and her daily workout to stay in shape ( does she use big guy as training partner?:p)

I don't think she just picked her skills up. For that she moves too confident. That looks like massive trainigssessions ( for Amanda as well:)) Someone thaught Magnus how to fight, but I'm willing to bet there was more than one teacher involved due to different styles.

2Shy
November 29th, 2010, 07:07 AM
Breach
Wow, loved the ep. My favorite kinds of sci-fi stories has always been about messing with time somehow (time travel, time paradoxes, time bubbles, you name it) so this was right up my alley :D
And IMO this ep is also right up there with Requiem and Pavor, my fav eps.
I think most things that was on my mind about this ep already have been mentioned, but I’ll have to mention the amazingness that is the combination of IT and AT, wow wow wow. I’ve seen Ian in quite a few things before so I already knew he was fantastic, but this, wow. And did I mention wow?

The fighting! Helen sure knows how to take a punch and give as well. Some of that stuff was plain brutal.
And the stunt work and the work Amanda put in was brilliant, very well choreographed and edited. While watching the episode in regular fashion I couldn’t spot the difference between AT and her stunt double at all. However I did some frame by frame watching and I did spot some things (not to so I could nit pick, but because I’m genuinely interested in how these scenes are choreographed and filmed) but I’ll put this in spoilers, so not to burst anyone’s bubble ;)

Amanda vs. Stunt double

Firstly I have to say the match between Amanda and her stunt double was near to perfect, if I couldn’t see the face, I couldn’t tell the difference.

All the throws as far as I can tell, the one where she’s running and thrown against the wall, the one where he kicks her in the stomach and she’s thrown back and when she’s thrown over the counter are all made by a stunt double.

In all the fighting it was sometimes hard to tell, but as a general rule, when it’s full frame (you see them from head to toe fighting it out), it’s stunt double work. When it’s closer framed, like from head to waist or head to knees, it’s Amanda.

But I really think it’s a mix of it all with a little bit of Amanda and a little bit of stunt double. And Amanda still had to learn all the moves to make it look good.

And there’s several places when Helen takes a hit and crashes to the hard concrete floor where it’s impossible to tell if it’s Amanda or not.
So yeah, excellent work on the fights!

And I couldn’t help thinking that Amanda finally got use for her baton twirling skills on screen ;)

ddc
November 29th, 2010, 07:55 AM
Couldn't quite place the time for Adam's gas mask, but I'm thinking WWI era. Anybody know for sure? That fits with the "100 years" reference, close enough anyway. I'm wondering if Adam didn't come along 50 or so years after the Five and learned of them through Helen's father or Helen's work with him. I guess I don't think he necessarily has to be a contemporary.

I don't think the era of the gas mask has anything to do with when Helen originally knew Adam. If Adam was the inspiration for Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde it was well before WWI. Stevenson's novels were written in the late 1800s (J&H in 1894, just looked it up). That would fit with Adam knowing The Five in the late Victorian era. From the way they're dressed in the flashback it looked like she "killed" him early 20th Century, probably in Africa or the Western US based on what she's wearing and the arid, canyon area.

We know The Five had connections in the literary world who were in on at least some of their secrets (Conan Doyle and Watson; Griffith and whoever wrote The Invisible Man). It's probable that they knew Stevenson since from what Helen says it sounds like he based Jeckyl & Hyde on Adam.


Again, I'm wondering about the title "Breach". Was it a reference to breaching time? To the other side getting to this one? To Adam getting into the Sanctuary like Helen's father breached and relayed information to the Cabal? To a breach in Helen's armor of invincibility for screwing up Adam? Could be several or many things, just like Animus.

I thought it was a reference to "Once more into the breach" (Shakespeare, Henry V). Once again Helen confronts Adam who she thought she'd killed and seen fall into a canyon - a "breach" in the earth giving the title a double meaning.

Several people have referred to the podcast for this episode. Are they doing them for this season? If so where are they available?

Celandine
November 29th, 2010, 09:02 AM
Is Sanctuary still doing everything strictly green screen?

If not, it would be brilliant to do a Sanctuary location tour in Vancouver sometime. Perhaps the next TSE? :D

I did the Stargate one last July and it was simply amazing. With all the locales Sanctuary is taking us to, it would seem that at least some would be real places rather than strictly computer-generated. At least I'd hope so.

hedwig
November 29th, 2010, 09:06 AM
Is Sanctuary still doing everything strictly green screen?

If not, it would be brilliant to do a Sanctuary location tour in Vancouver sometime. Perhaps the next TSE? :D

I did the Stargate one last July and it was simply amazing. With all the locales Sanctuary is taking us to, it would seem that at least some would be real places rather than strictly computer-generated. At least I'd hope so.

I'm thinking there are a few on location type scenes, since I remember reading that a bit in one episode was filmed in Japan, and there have been a variety of scenes that look to be outdoors and not green screen.

Celandine
November 29th, 2010, 09:30 AM
I'm thinking there are a few on location type scenes, since I remember reading that a bit in one episode was filmed in Japan, and there have been a variety of scenes that look to be outdoors and not green screen.

That's what I thought but was wondering if it wasn't just a set scene erected on the back lot of the studio. In addition, camera angles and some computer-generated background would make it seem that the mental hospital (for example) was an actual location.

hedwig
November 29th, 2010, 09:41 AM
That's what I thought but was wondering if it wasn't just a set scene erected on the back lot of the studio. In addition, camera angles and some computer-generated background would make it seem that the mental hospital (for example) was an actual location.

Here's a quote from an interview with Martin Wood last year:


Wood’s final directing credit for season two of Sanctuary is the show’s two-part season finale, Kali, and it might surprise some viewers to learn that the episode has a Bollywood dance sequence in the second half that feature Robin Dunne. “It’s very much part of the story and it comes off perfectly,” says Wood. “I think episode 13 is probably the best show we’ve shot so far. And we actually did some filming in Japan for episode 12 as well. We were invited over there for a quick press conference and were going to be in Tokyo for a little over 72 hours. I looked at Damian and said, ‘Let’s shoot something while we’re there,’ and he said, ‘Sure.’

Here's a link to the whole interview:

http://scifiandtvtalk.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/sanctuarys-martin-wood-season-of-change/

The quote is near the bottom of the page and just above Amanda, Robin, and one of the guests under umbrellas.

Celandine
November 29th, 2010, 09:50 AM
Here's a quote from an interview with Martin Wood last year:

Here's a link to the whole interview:

http://scifiandtvtalk.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/sanctuarys-martin-wood-season-of-change/

The quote is near the bottom of the page and just above Amanda, Robin, and one of the guests under umbrellas.

Thanks for the link. :)

I knew they actually filmed on location in Japan so was wondering about more local shots around Vancouver for the various other episodes thus far.

Skydiver
November 29th, 2010, 09:51 AM
there's some stuff that i can tell is on location, such as walter running down the alley and some of the street shots in various episodes - also in hero 2 at the top of my head.

i think part of Breach was on a real roof, such as when helen is climbing the ladder and going into the white door, but when she steps out of the door, i think that's studio. I think, for safety's sake, when she jumped that was studio (and possibly stunt person)

hedwig
November 29th, 2010, 10:04 AM
Thanks for the link. :)

I knew they actually filmed on location in Japan so was wondering about more local shots around Vancouver for the various other episodes thus far.

There's also that chase scene in the episode where we meet Kate. Who's house was that Helen and Robin went up to? Or was that on a stage also?

Skydiver
November 29th, 2010, 10:15 AM
i think it was a house.
stages always look...oh too perfect. the lighting is too good, the stuff placed too perfectly. for something that short, it was probably easier to get a house to borrow for the shoot.

I think all of kali was either in their backlot (the slums), the set/green screen (the boats, helicopters, the throne room, the sanctuary), i think the daravi sanctuary was also part set/green screen.

obviously for firewall it was all sets, Hero 2 had a good amount of location stuff I think. probably harder to make a warehouse than it was to use one. we know that much of breach was on location at the hospital (i think the roof bits were on a set). Animus, the library stuff was all on a set as we know, and i think the hospital parts were on location (were they possibly on the same location as Breach? both hospitals)

bank job, might have been a set. with some location stuff (henry outside), but since they were all in the same bank, i think it was a set

2Shy
November 29th, 2010, 10:15 AM
Is Sanctuary still doing everything strictly green screen?

If not, it would be brilliant to do a Sanctuary location tour in Vancouver sometime. Perhaps the next TSE? :D

I did the Stargate one last July and it was simply amazing. With all the locales Sanctuary is taking us to, it would seem that at least some would be real places rather than strictly computer-generated. At least I'd hope so.

You're right, they don't really do much location work on Sanctuary, Breach was an exception though since most of it was shot at Riverview Mental Hospital. (But I have to agree some of the roof stuff looked studio/green screen)
Other than that what I can tell from interviews and DVD commentaries, if they do shoot something outside for real it's in proximity to the studio, on their parking lot or in the street near by, or just using the studio building as background. I think the episode Instinct was shot in a warehouse next door.

So except for Riverview and Tokyo, I only can recall the ep Revelations to be shoot on location. (Where they find the entrance to the underground.) I'm sure there are a few other places too they've been to but I can't recall right now. And as they keep saying being on location for them is a luxury since they don't have the budget other shows do.

jckfan55
November 29th, 2010, 10:36 AM
I still want to see where, when, and how Helen learned to fight. They did an episode of Xena where we saw her learn to fight and use physic powers or something. :p She went to a female ninja or something. :p

I may be in the minority here, but I *don't* want to necessarily see how she learned to fight. I like that we don't know *everything* about her.



that said, yes, helen does dress well. she's someone who's grown up to appreciate quality, and has always been in the situation to be able to afford it. quality but not ostentation. True. I will have to check out those boots on a rewatch.



i think part of Breach was on a real roof, such as when helen is climbing the ladder and going into the white door, but when she steps out of the door, i think that's studio. That's what I thought too.

Skydiver
November 29th, 2010, 11:43 AM
the way she walked in and out of that door was how I've seen actors do it when they're trying not to show to the camera that there's nothing but plywood beyond it. She didn't walk through the doors as much as slipped in and out

dipsofjazz
November 29th, 2010, 12:08 PM
I don't think the era of the gas mask has anything to do with when Helen originally knew Adam. If Adam was the inspiration for Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde it was well before WWI. Stevenson's novels were written in the late 1800s (J&H in 1894, just looked it up).

'Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (http://www.robert-louis-stevenson.org/novels/12-strange-case-dr-jekyll-mr-hide) was published in 1886.

hedwig
November 29th, 2010, 12:13 PM
'Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (http://www.robert-louis-stevenson.org/novels/12-strange-case-dr-jekyll-mr-hide) was published in 1886.

Adam did say something like it had been 100 years since they'd seen each other.

dipsofjazz
November 29th, 2010, 12:16 PM
Adam did say something like it had been 100 years since they'd seen each other.

I was just correcting the date ddc mentioned. :)

hedwig
November 29th, 2010, 01:03 PM
I was just correcting the date ddc mentioned. :)

ooops! Didn't mean for it to sound like I was correcting anything, sorry. :p:D

Though the 100 year thing had me thinking if what he said was accurate, Helen would have been about 60 in 1910 or thereabouts, maybe older, since she now should be about 160 years old.

meredithchandler73
November 29th, 2010, 01:07 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I *don't* want to necessarily see how she learned to fight. I like that we don't know *everything* about her.

I'm not only interested in seeing some of how Helen learned to fight (I'm sure we'd never see it all), but also Helen learning other things such as the different languages she speaks. We know she knows Latin, she has spoken Japanese, Zulu, a little bit of Italian. How many does she actually speak fluently?

I don't mind learning more about Helen because there is simply no way for us to know everything about her!

Getting a bit off-topic, I saw an interview with Chris Hyerdahl a while back that was done in Montreal, in French, regarding the Twilight movie. I don't speak French at all, but I found the whole thing incredibly hot. I'd so love to see him and Amanda speaking French to each other.

dipsofjazz
November 29th, 2010, 01:17 PM
ooops! Didn't mean for it to sound like I was correcting anything, sorry. :p:D

Though the 100 year thing had me thinking if what he said was accurate, Helen would have been about 60 in 1910 or thereabouts, maybe older, since she now should be about 160 years old.

:D I just meant that they would have known each other for many years, from the time of the book up to WW1.

ddc
November 29th, 2010, 01:43 PM
'Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (http://www.robert-louis-stevenson.org/novels/12-strange-case-dr-jekyll-mr-hide) was published in 1886.

Guess the site I checked had it wrong, it said 1894.

Rocky89
November 29th, 2010, 01:47 PM
in firewall, kate is asking for money to pay off a source

well, if helen has enough money to pay what i think to be thousands to sources for three hundred years...and Kate even rattled off at least 4 banks where helen has her money, i think 'more money than god' could be an accurate statement.....and certainly makes 945 dollar boots a possibility

Wow, thanks for the info, Sky. :)


LOL, that's for sure! Helen's clothes/shoes are quite designery. I'm sure she pays a pretty penny for most of them. ;) I LOVE Helen's shoes. :D I was just mildly jealous that my sister actually had the boots I was lusting after, even for a brief time. I will settle for my considerably less pricey Timberlands which were apparently knock offs of the Tods. Who knew? ;)

Out of everything women wear, shoes are the thing I pay the least amount to no amount of attention to. :p The only time I've looked at Helen's shoes is when Amanda talked about them in an interview. :) But yeah, she has great fashion, and isn't that a lot of Amanda's own clothes? :p


Breach
Wow, loved the ep. My favorite kinds of sci-fi stories has always been about messing with time somehow (time travel, time paradoxes, time bubbles, you name it) so this was right up my alley :D
And IMO this ep is also right up there with Requiem and Pavor, my fav eps.
I think most things that was on my mind about this ep already have been mentioned, but I’ll have to mention the amazingness that is the combination of IT and AT, wow wow wow. I’ve seen Ian in quite a few things before so I already knew he was fantastic, but this, wow. And did I mention wow?

So, you didn't like the episode? :S

:p


The fighting! Helen sure knows how to take a punch and give as well. Some of that stuff was plain brutal.
And the stunt work and the work Amanda put in was brilliant, very well choreographed and edited. While watching the episode in regular fashion I couldn’t spot the difference between AT and her stunt double at all. However I did some frame by frame watching and I did spot some things (not to so I could nit pick, but because I’m genuinely interested in how these scenes are choreographed and filmed) but I’ll put this in spoilers, so not to burst anyone’s bubble ;)

The first hit Helen took made me :eek: and I was like that until the commercial. :p I'm glad Helen gave as much as she gave, and won the fight. ;)


Amanda vs. Stunt double

Firstly I have to say the match between Amanda and her stunt double was near to perfect, if I couldn’t see the face, I couldn’t tell the difference.

All the throws as far as I can tell, the one where she’s running and thrown against the wall, the one where he kicks her in the stomach and she’s thrown back and when she’s thrown over the counter are all made by a stunt double.

In all the fighting it was sometimes hard to tell, but as a general rule, when it’s full frame (you see them from head to toe fighting it out), it’s stunt double work. When it’s closer framed, like from head to waist or head to knees, it’s Amanda.

But I really think it’s a mix of it all with a little bit of Amanda and a little bit of stunt double. And Amanda still had to learn all the moves to make it look good.

And there’s several places when Helen takes a hit and crashes to the hard concrete floor where it’s impossible to tell if it’s Amanda or not.
So yeah, excellent work on the fights!

And I couldn’t help thinking that Amanda finally got use for her baton twirling skills on screen ;)

I still want to hear the podcast and commentary for this episode so we can find out which stunts Amanda did herself. :) In an interview she did at CC, she said she did most of her own stunts, so... we'll see. :) And yeah, as to the skill of hers, I hope it was her twirling that rod. ;)


I may be in the minority here, but I *don't* want to necessarily see how she learned to fight. I like that we don't know *everything* about her.

She's 159 years old she has so much story to tell, she's seen the best and worst of human history, and probably been a part of a lot of it, so... yeah, maybe not know everything about her, but she still has a so much to tell. :) And yeah, I still want to see how she learned to fight like that. :p

majorsal
November 29th, 2010, 02:18 PM
I don't think she just picked her skills up. For that she moves too confident. That looks like massive trainigssessions ( for Amanda as well:)) Someone thaught Magnus how to fight, but I'm willing to bet there was more than one teacher involved due to different styles.

i'm envisioning helen living in japan for a while, under the tutelages of a kungfu master. :p

majorsal
November 29th, 2010, 02:23 PM
The fighting! Helen sure knows how to take a punch and give as well. Some of that stuff was plain brutal.
And the stunt work and the work Amanda put in was brilliant, very well choreographed and edited. While watching the episode in regular fashion I couldn’t spot the difference between AT and her stunt double at all. However I did some frame by frame watching and I did spot some things (not to so I could nit pick, but because I’m genuinely interested in how these scenes are choreographed and filmed) but I’ll put this in spoilers, so not to burst anyone’s bubble ;)

Amanda vs. Stunt double

(snipped, and THANK YOU for the list! oh, and i unspoiler tagged it, b/c what i left in isn't spoilery)

And I couldn’t help thinking that Amanda finally got use for her baton twirling skills on screen ;)


now *that* didn't enter my mind, but that had to have worked in amanda's favor! :p

Skydiver
November 29th, 2010, 04:04 PM
are they even doing podcasts this year? I haven't heard about any

majorsal
November 29th, 2010, 04:07 PM
are they even doing podcasts this year? I haven't heard about any

as much as i love them, i don't mind if they 'don't'... it's basically like they do two commentaries for each ep, so the first one (podcasts) gets kind of the best of it... to me. :p

Chelle DB
November 29th, 2010, 04:44 PM
And I couldn’t help thinking that Amanda finally got use for her baton twirling skills on screen ;)
Ha!!! Two great minds my friend!! :P I was thinking the same thing while watching her twirl that pipe - just needed some frills on the end. :P

as much as i love them, i don't mind if they 'don't'... it's basically like they do two commentaries for each ep, so the first one (podcasts) gets kind of the best of it... to me. :p
I love the podcasts - I also love the commentaries...but I reckon the podcasts are just goofy fun. :P I want both - the more the merrier! :P

hedwig
November 29th, 2010, 05:50 PM
Has anybody heard or read what the ratings were for "Breach"?

majorsal
November 29th, 2010, 05:58 PM
Has anybody heard or read what the ratings were for "Breach"?

not yet :(

jelgate
November 29th, 2010, 06:00 PM
not yet :(

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't come out tonight

majorsal
November 29th, 2010, 06:01 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't come out tonight

i know. ratings guy is only up to weds ratings now. :/

RealmOfX
November 29th, 2010, 06:02 PM
Has anybody heard or read what the ratings were for "Breach"?

Ratings are delayed due to last weeks holiday. Travis only recently posted Wednesday's so I'd say tomorrow sometime.

MidwifeOnBoard
November 29th, 2010, 06:04 PM
Out of everything women wear, shoes are the thing I pay the least amount to no amount of attetion to. :p The only time I've looked at Helen's shoes is when Amanda talked about them in an interview. :) But yeah, she has great fashion, and isn't that a lot of Amanda's own clothes? :p



This is normal given you're a guy and all. ;) Most of my straight men friends don't notice shoes either. I happen to have a thing for shoes, and quite a boot fetish, alas. :P

Calluna
November 29th, 2010, 06:09 PM
WWE Smackdown (120 minutes)
- 2.523 million viewers
- 1.5/3 HH
- 0.8/3 A18-49

Sanctuary
- 1.259 million viewers
- 0.8/2 HH
- 0.4/1 A18-49



Not great, but also not too bad given the timing and expectations for this episode given that almost everything else on Friday was in repeats and it was a Major Holiday Weekend, the demo is steady.

RealmOfX
November 29th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Not great, but also not too bad given the timing and expectations for this episode given that almost everything else on Friday was in repeats and it was a Major Holiday Weekend, the demo is steady.

Those are Animus' figures not Breach's.

Calluna
November 29th, 2010, 06:42 PM
Huh, yes you are 100% right, sorry I was following the nearest "Friday" ratings I could find anticipating they would be last week's without checking, Oops. I forgot that the holiday's would make everything slower.

atlantis_babe34
November 30th, 2010, 12:52 AM
very very intersting episode XD Ian tracy was Awesome!.. i would have liked to seen more of a fisty cuffs fight between them tho.. like an awesome one lol..


Spoilers for Future epsisodes in relation to Breach XD.. pretty big spoilers actaully :P

Adam was exposed when he went throguh the riff, which caused a radiation like burn, now i'm assume with all the rumours/spoilers floating around about the Radiation illness you have to get it through exposure to bare skin through the riff... Helen never exposed herself in the riff, but she has radiation poisioning... i'm confused as to how she gets it......

RealmOfX
November 30th, 2010, 02:25 AM
very very intersting episode XD Ian tracy was Awesome!.. i would have liked to seen more of a fisty cuffs fight between them tho.. like an awesome one lol..


Spoilers for Future epsisodes in relation to Breach XD.. pretty big spoilers actaully :P

Adam was exposed when he went throguh the riff, which caused a radiation like burn, now i'm assume with all the rumours/spoilers floating around about the Radiation illness you have to get it through exposure to bare skin through the riff... Helen never exposed herself in the riff, but she has radiation poisioning... i'm confused as to how she gets it......

I thought this was a really good episode :D Great pacing, great visuals, excellent acting by AT & IT. I've watched it 4 times already :D

In regard to the spoiler -
maybe they both got it from the exploding energy devices? Or Adam got it from bare exposure to the time rift and Magnus got it when she stuck the metal baton in it and got zapped?

Chelle DB
November 30th, 2010, 06:04 AM
In regard to the spoiler -
maybe they both got it from the exploding energy devices? Or Adam got it from bare exposure to the time rift and Magnus got it when she stuck the metal baton in it and got zapped?
I agree - I reckon she got exposed from when she got zapped - unless she was exposed at some point during her fall through the rift and we missed it. Can't wait to find out. :)

Rocky89
November 30th, 2010, 03:20 PM
Yay, the episode got good ratings. :D

Sanctuary
- 1.483 million viewers
- 0.9/2 HH
- 0.4/1 A18-49

hedwig
November 30th, 2010, 03:20 PM
Yay, the episode got good ratings. :D

Sanctuary
- 1.483 million viewers
- 0.9/2 HH
- 0.4/1 A18-49

Cool. And ... yay! :D

Rocky89
November 30th, 2010, 03:39 PM
Cool. And ... yay! :D

I feel bad for saying it, but I wasn't expecting them to have great numbers, but these are higher than I thought they'd be. :D I'm so happy for the show, and for Amanda since this was a big Helen episode, and usually they air big Helen episodes on holidays, so... :S:p

I'm just happy for them. :) BRING ON S4! :D

suse
November 30th, 2010, 03:40 PM
i'm envisioning helen living in japan for a while, under the tutelages of a kungfu master. :p

Yes, little grasshopper. :D

majorsal
November 30th, 2010, 03:44 PM
yes, little grasshopper. :d

:jack_new_anime06:

atlantis_babe34
November 30th, 2010, 05:25 PM
I agree - I reckon she got exposed from when she got zapped - unless she was exposed at some point during her fall through the rift and we missed it. Can't wait to find out. :)

didn't think of that :P yeah maybe.. i for one can't wait to find out... Johnny D is back whooooooooooooooooo! lol

hedwig
November 30th, 2010, 05:47 PM
I feel bad for saying it, but I wasn't expecting them to have great numbers, but these are higher than I thought they'd be. :D I'm so happy for the show, and for Amanda since this was a big Helen episode, and usually they air big Helen episodes on holidays, so... :S:p

I'm just happy for them. :) BRING ON S4! :D

So my mantra from last week worked, eh??? :p:D

dee
December 1st, 2010, 12:49 AM
Love the fights, best fight between two poeple in a long time on tv & more realistic. kinda made me sick tho to see a guy do that to a woman. go'se to show Helen's no wimp. A little word of advice tho, when this guy's trying to kill you, with his type of power, once you get him down you, Keep him down, knock him out & tye him up ( dont know if that would work with him) or worse, but do what you have to do to give yourself more time.survive! Yea! heee'ss baaack! you all know whom it is I speak of. Speaking of which got the dvd Ghost of Dickin's past , loved it, seem's Chris had a fun time with the dancing and running around the town at night in you pj's. very good show, but that hair style!

dee
December 1st, 2010, 01:09 AM
I to love the commentaries but with out to much of the technical stuff( you know, this type of film,cameras, angles, lights, etc, to 90% of us, boring.) and more about the actors and preparing for their parts, etc.

dee
December 1st, 2010, 01:13 AM
Ok, and how do I get these podcast? thank you

dee
December 1st, 2010, 01:20 AM
her workout room is 6foot4 and hairy.

sanctuary girl
December 1st, 2010, 02:04 AM
her workout room is 6foot4 and hairy.

That's what I suspected as well.

EvenstarSRV
December 1st, 2010, 12:33 PM
I may be in the minority here, but I *don't* want to necessarily see how she learned to fight. I like that we don't know *everything* about her.


I agree, I don't want to actually see that either, I think its enough to show that she's learned those skills through her actions in the present, rather like how she knows all those different languages. If asked a 'you'd be surprised how much you can pick up over 100 odd years,' from Helen would suffice, IMO.



Spoilers for Future epsisodes in relation to Breach XD.. pretty big spoilers actaully :P

Adam was exposed when he went throguh the riff, which caused a radiation like burn, now i'm assume with all the rumours/spoilers floating around about the Radiation illness you have to get it through exposure to bare skin through the riff... Helen never exposed herself in the riff, but she has radiation poisioning... i'm confused as to how she gets it......

re spoilers

There was a Martin Wood and Damian Kindler interview a while ago, I think with Wormholeriders, where they were talking about Breach and I think MW mentioned something about a cut. I'm guessing is that cut Helen received that made her vulnerable to the radiation when she went through the rift with Adam.


Ok, and how do I get these podcast? thank you

As far as I know they aren't doing podcasts this season. They did do them for all 13 eps in S2, they may still be available to download from the Syfy website or iTunes, I'm not sure. I figure with the 20 ep order this season they don't have time for them this year.

Skydiver
December 1st, 2010, 01:47 PM
the spoiler about the cut makes sense. they focused on it too much for it to be nothing. usually, when a shot focuses on something like that, it's plot pertinent

majorsal
December 1st, 2010, 07:43 PM
so i just finished rewatching the ep. this is my number one fave! :p (whump lover here)

so anyways, in the scene where adam is first talking about hyde, this popped into my head...

could there be 3 personalities in adam? 1- adam, 2- jekyll, 3- hyde.

maybe i misunderstood what adam was saying? :p

Skydiver
December 1st, 2010, 07:46 PM
i read it as, adam was the inspiration for Hyde, his 'unquenchable thirst for violence' side was Jeckyll

majorsal
December 1st, 2010, 07:58 PM
i read it as, adam was the inspiration for Hyde, his 'unquenchable thirst for violence' side was Jeckyll

okay.

:S

when adam first was talking to helen (when she didn't know who he was), he sounded like the late actor james mason. :p

EvenstarSRV
December 1st, 2010, 08:11 PM
As far as I know they aren't doing podcasts this season. They did do them for all 13 eps in S2, they may still be available to download from the Syfy website or iTunes, I'm not sure. I figure with the 20 ep order this season they don't have time for them this year.

Heh, I happily stand corrected, thanks to parsifal for posting it on the Sanctuary discussion thread, podcasts for 301 and 302 are up now on Syfy's website: http://www.syfy.com/sanctuary/podcasts.php.


i read it as, adam was the inspiration for Hyde, his 'unquenchable thirst for violence' side was Jeckyll

I thought there were only two personalities too, though it would be kinda interesting if he developed more over the years.

Skydiver
December 2nd, 2010, 04:14 AM
yay! poddies to listen to

thanks

kes
December 2nd, 2010, 05:35 AM
i read it as, adam was the inspiration for Hyde, his 'unquenchable thirst for violence' side was Jeckyll

Isnt Hyde suppose to be the bad one?

EH-T
December 2nd, 2010, 03:34 PM
If he wasn't an abnormal, then how come he's still alive!

As jckfan suggests, folding time, or perhaps it was as a result of being in Hollow Earth and that's one of the reasons he wants to find his way back.


a wee request of you? if you can't share the info you know, could you please not tell us you know something, *unless* you can share it?

glad you enjoyed the ep. :)

Sorry, was just trying to explain why I was not participating in that part of the discussion.



Is Sanctuary still doing everything strictly green screen?

If not, it would be brilliant to do a Sanctuary location tour in Vancouver sometime. Perhaps the next TSE? :D

I did the Stargate one last July and it was simply amazing. With all the locales Sanctuary is taking us to, it would seem that at least some would be real places rather than strictly computer-generated. At least I'd hope so.

They have done some location stuff like Riverview Hospital for Breach but still mostly green screen. You would be surprised how much of their location shooting is just using their own building and lot. The interior stairway in Hero, the front steps for a scene between Kate and her brother, their parking lot for a number of things sometimes dressed (as in Kali) sometimes not so much, a little green patch just off the lot for Hero. I don't think they have used enough locations to make a tour worthwhile at this stage but maybe in the future.

Skydiver
December 2nd, 2010, 05:42 PM
Isnt Hyde suppose to be the bad one?

yeah, i had it backwards. Jeckyll was the 'good' one, Hyde the bad one

Matt G
December 5th, 2010, 02:48 PM
1. First impression...the bad guy was something from an alternate reality.

2. Have to admit though, the time dialation thing was a good idea from Adam.

3. Well in Watch's S3 trailer I did remember "Jekyll and Hyde" being mentioned...would suggest that Adam is abnormal as a result.

4. Not often you get eps where the focus is all on Helen like this, good thing Amanda was able to handle it.

Certainly intense!