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October 15th, 2010, 03:18 PM
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General Jumper One
October 22nd, 2010, 08:03 PM
the interactive 3d city was awesome!

Skydiver
October 22nd, 2010, 08:04 PM
that was great

and i think we have our s3 plot arc :)

yessika
October 22nd, 2010, 08:05 PM
I really enjoyed this episode, it was pretty amazing. I especially loved the funny bits :D

Now, if only I could get used to the new theme song :rolleyes:

Briangate78
October 22nd, 2010, 08:11 PM
Excellent Episode! It seems Sanctuary has raised the bar this season. The character interaction was great, we got a great plot, and now a story arc for S3.

Samantha.Majka
October 22nd, 2010, 08:18 PM
I am super excited for Sanctuary. This episode was cool, funny and interesting. I am curious about the new storyline for the big 3D city and I wish there were more new episodes .. for example tomorrow and the day after.. I don't want to wait for next episode .. what .. one week? Again .. Awh ...
Amanda was great, Henry was the geeky one . but I love him when he is geeky, Kate was analysing something .. and she looked focused :D BigGuy ... his Twilight moves were funny:D It reminds me of one movie :D Hehe.
Will? I like his new hairstyle, he looked like someone who just woke up :D
My summary ? GREAT EPISODE! I need more :D

BigHonkinSpaceGun
October 22nd, 2010, 08:29 PM
Very interesting episode.

So far this season, the pacing seems different. Doesn't feel like the episodes are as packed full of information & stuff going on. Now that I'm getting used to it, I think I like it. Probably has something to do with the 20 episodes for this season.

meredithchandler73
October 22nd, 2010, 08:55 PM
Totally loved the episode! A terrifically creepy episode which also had a lot of humor in it. Just a few things that stood out to me off the top of my head and in no particular order:
--The other heads of house correctly put their faith in Magnus and let her know that by unanimously voting her to stay in charge. Also, they wisely removed Wexford from any command. (That was a no brainer.) But the best - right after the conference call, Helen's "Cheeky *******!" to Declan and her huge grin. GORGEOUS!
--My initial thought at watching last week's episode was that the two beings on either side of Kali were like her - abnormals with great power that were probably thought of as gods (just as Bertha was Kali). But maybe these beings aren't equated with gods.
--Wonder if we'll get to the bottom of the Creepies. (That's my own nickname for those creatures that were after Will.) Were they simply trying to erase Will's memories? Why come two weeks after the event to do it? Was Will supposed to simply not remember and when someone realized he seemed to be struggling to bring the memory back, the Creepies were sent out to delete it permanently? Could it be possible they were trying to help Will bring the memory back? Deleting the memory seems much more likely. As if the other beings that spoke to Will wanted no trace of their existence.
--Loved Helen catching the baseball. Sweet!
--So cool to bring back Gregory Magnus! But does his presence in Will's after death experience mean Gregory is dead?!?! NO!
--That 3D city was AWESOME. I can't wait to find out more about it.

I'll definitely be watching this episode many more times in the coming week!

suse
October 22nd, 2010, 09:02 PM
Holy self-immolation, batman! :eek:

I *loved* the character interactions in this one! So many very fast one-liners that are just said, not said and left hanging so we can 'get it'. It's assumed we will. I love intelligent writing. :)

I really enjoyed all but the last 5 minutes or so of the episode. I had a hard time swallowing the whole Michelangelo drawing/crystal thing working, but as soon as Mandy <<waves and thanks>> reminded me this was steampunk, I was okay. :P

I was a bit confused about Henry saying that previous to Warriors they hadn't seen Gregory in decades. :S True, but it made it seem less than TEN decades. A century. It was just... odd. Meh, just me.

I really liked the scene(s) that followed Magnus from the conference call, on to the elevator and into the scene with Will. Well done, Martin!

Did anyone else see the 'alien' thing and think that at some point the legs wold contract and dig in? ;) Glad they didn't go that would.

NoCleverSig
October 22nd, 2010, 09:03 PM
Oh my, that was an AWESOME episode! What I'm loving is the way they charactes are interacting, much more at ease, more natural. Love the little character insights we are seeing. Everyone is coming into their own. I think with this episode they really hit their stride!!

NoCleverSig
October 22nd, 2010, 09:05 PM
Holy self-immolation, batman! :eek:

I *loved* the character interactions in this one! So many very fast one-liners that are just said, not said and left hanging so we can 'get it'. It's assumed we will. I love intelligent writing. :)
.

You and I loved the exact same thing Suse! I thought this episode was leaps and bounds above the others in terms of character interactions. Far more multidimensional. :)))

Steampunk rules! ;)

AresLover452
October 22nd, 2010, 09:12 PM
the interactive 3d city was awesome!

that part was SOOOOO AWESOME!!

I loved when Biggie mentioned that he read TWILIGHT and that he liked Marcus... lmao!! That was hilarious!

Over all this eppy was just FANTASTIC!!

mandogater
October 22nd, 2010, 09:17 PM
Great episode I can't wait to find out more about the 3-D city and where Wills' new friends and enemies came from.
Was it me or did Henry say something about Sidney Crosby?

Carterfan
October 22nd, 2010, 09:39 PM
This is how you entertain your fans and start a season. Too me Kali3 was wrapping up a cliff hanger, while this is the real start to the season 3 material. The charater interaction is the best I've seen on the show, with Will carrying the angst and everyone else being funny or hilarious. Even Magnus was funny.

"Currying political favor, I'd rather drink coffee" LOL

Henry and Biggie's looks when Will said he was off the mission roster, everyone campaigning for that.

Kate trailing after the Magnus fortune that makes Bill Gates look poor, bugging her about accounts.

The Indianna Jones quest. I want it NOW! It has that whole mythical Shangri La feel to it. And I hope we'll see Helen in her very cool Indy wardrobe we saw last season.

That City was just damn cool. Hats off to the Lee Wilson team.

Too many other great moments to list, and can I say how much I'm really liking Kate these days.

All I can say is that I was really entertained by this episode. This is how you do character, mystery and adventure. Well done Sanctuary :) and if this sets the standard for the season, its going to be a great ride, and massive DVD sales. :)

Oh, yeah, and Magnus saying "Do you think this is the first time I've done something unpopular?", a set up for the episode 'Breach', methinks.

jelgate
October 22nd, 2010, 09:39 PM
This one was even better then last week. It answers those curious questions from Kali III but their is still a lot of ambiguatory of what all this means with a mystery occuring. Why is Gregory in the afterlife? Is he dad? Why is the importance of the city? So many question. So few answers. The one major compliant is not knowing where the invisible abnormals came from and why.

suse
October 22nd, 2010, 09:43 PM
Perhaps that will be answered in later episodes. Season 3 is not meant to have fully self-contained episodes.

I do wonder about Wexford. He knows an awful lot about the Sanctuary. He could really do some damage, even with protocols changed.

jelgate
October 22nd, 2010, 09:49 PM
Perhaps that will be answered in later episodes. Season 3 is not meant to have fully self-contained episodes.

I do wonder about Wexford. He knows an awful lot about the Sanctuary. He could really do some damage, even with protocols changed.I'm sorry if that sounded like a compliant. It wasn't. It was a acknowledgement of liking the mystery.

I don't think the general public would believe him if he said anything. Nothing more then a crackpot. Like those people who say they are abducted by aliens

Carterfan
October 22nd, 2010, 09:55 PM
This one was even better then last week. It answers those curious questions from Kali III but their is still a lot of ambiguatory of what all this means with a mystery occuring. Why is Gregory in the afterlife? Is he dad? Why is the importance of the city? So many question. So few answers. The one major compliant is not knowing where the invisible abnormals came from and why.

That was the only thing that bugged me too. But not enough to effect my overall enjoyment of the episode.

Carterfan
October 22nd, 2010, 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by suse


I really enjoyed all but the last 5 minutes or so of the episode. I had a hard time swallowing the whole Michelangelo drawing/crystal thing working, but as soon as Mandy <<waves and thanks>> reminded me this was steampunk, I was okay

The writers expected this and I thought it was funny how they dealt with it in a very tongue in cheek manner by having Will tell Henry,
"Just go with it Henry" and Henry's reply that it was impossible. :)

AresLover452
October 22nd, 2010, 10:17 PM
I loved how Terrance got the boot so hard there are probably still tread mark on his butt!! and he looked so shocked it was priceless!!

Rocky89
October 22nd, 2010, 10:19 PM
Like I said on another thread: Wow, what an amazing episode. :D;)

It started off strong, and it ended strong. ;) The one thing I wanted to see was Helen become HOH again, and she not only did, but one female HOH made Helen sound great, and the thing I loved seeing just as much was Wexford getting his ass handed to him! And Helen's "Cheeky bas*** line was awesome. :D

Go Helen. http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/Rocky89_03/Helen_claps.gif

Boo Wexford!

I liked how the team was doing their best to hide their insecurity about Will, and how they didn't want to hurt him. The scene with Helen and Will alone in her office was cool, because I liked that crooked grin, and how she caught the baseball. :p Another thing I thought was cool to hear was hearing Biggie make that Twilight/Marcus reference. :p Those abnormals were creepy, and I like that they had that "out of phase" ability.

Overall it was a fantastic episode, great story, fun, effects and a great ending. :) I'll review more in my replies. :p

EvenstarSRV
October 22nd, 2010, 10:21 PM
Holy self-immolation, batman! :eek:

I *loved* the character interactions in this one! So many very fast one-liners that are just said, not said and left hanging so we can 'get it'. It's assumed we will. I love intelligent writing. :)

That struck me too in this episode. All of the character dialog and character interactions seemed come smoother and with a bit more ease than before to me. Especially in those quite talky opening scenes from Helen and Declan in the infirmary to Helen and Will in his room.



I was a bit confused about Henry saying that previous to Warriors they hadn't seen Gregory in decades. :S True, but it made it seem less than TEN decades. A century. It was just... odd. Meh, just me.


Yeah, Henry says the last time they saw him was in Warriors, and then again a couple of decades before that. Doesn't quite match with how Helen reacted to Gregory in Warriors, I hope they explain this funky timeline with him somewhere down the line.

Overall, I thought this ep was wonderful. I loved the follow up with the HOHs with Declan helping to solidify Helen has the head of the network again. 'Currying political favor? I'd rather drink coffee.' Hee. The bits with Kate knowing Helen's bank accounts were also funny, as was Bigfoot apparently being a Nicholas Sparks fan. :P

The two abnormals were very creepy, esp with the self-immolation part. I think they're maybe connected to the two other super abnormals Will saw and were trying to use that device to erase Will's memory to protect the secret of that cool city. Hats off to Anthem for the effects in that last scene, it looked amazing.

They weren't kidding in those interviews when they said Sanctuary raises the bar this season, I can't wait to see where this arc goes. :)

Inquisitor
October 22nd, 2010, 10:30 PM
Why was this episode named firewall? That was the only thing out of place for me.

General Jumper One
October 22nd, 2010, 10:43 PM
Why was this episode named firewall? That was the only thing out of place for me.

Will had to break the "firewall" in is subconscious to get the memories and stuff

Rocky89
October 22nd, 2010, 10:51 PM
the interactive 3d city was awesome!

It was amazing, and it looked so real. :D



that was great

and i think we have our s3 plot arc :)


Excellent Episode! It seems Sanctuary has raised the bar this season. The character interaction was great, we got a great plot, and now a story arc for S3.

Duh. :p I can see the arc of S3 is off to a great start, and I can't wait to see how it all comes together. :)


Totally loved the episode! A terrifically creepy episode which also had a lot of humor in it. Just a few things that stood out to me off the top of my head and in no particular order:
--The other heads of house correctly put their faith in Magnus and let her know that by unanimously voting her to stay in charge. Also, they wisely removed Wexford from any command. (That was a no brainer.) But the best - right after the conference call, Helen's "Cheeky *******!" to Declan and her huge grin. GORGEOUS!
--My initial thought at watching last week's episode was that the two beings on either side of Kali were like her - abnormals with great power that were probably thought of as gods (just as Bertha was Kali). But maybe these beings aren't equated with gods.
--Wonder if we'll get to the bottom of the Creepies. (That's my own nickname for those creatures that were after Will.) Were they simply trying to erase Will's memories? Why come two weeks after the event to do it? Was Will supposed to simply not remember and when someone realized he seemed to be struggling to bring the memory back, the Creepies were sent out to delete it permanently? Could it be possible they were trying to help Will bring the memory back? Deleting the memory seems much more likely. As if the other beings that spoke to Will wanted no trace of their existence.
--Loved Helen catching the baseball. Sweet!
--So cool to bring back Gregory Magnus! But does his presence in Will's after death experience mean Gregory is dead?!?! NO!
--That 3D city was AWESOME. I can't wait to find out more about it.

I'll definitely be watching this episode many more times in the coming week!

Damn, great review. :D I feel a lot came together in this episode, little things from the past, and what not. I loved how Helen caught that ball, it was so cool, and how she knew that baseball player. What was his name? :p


Holy self-immolation, batman! :eek:

I *loved* the character interactions in this one! So many very fast one-liners that are just said, not said and left hanging so we can 'get it'. It's assumed we will. I love intelligent writing. :)

I really enjoyed all but the last 5 minutes or so of the episode. I had a hard time swallowing the whole Michelangelo drawing/crystal thing working, but as soon as Mandy <<waves and thanks>> reminded me this was steampunk, I was okay. :P

I was a bit confused about Henry saying that previous to Warriors they hadn't seen Gregory in decades. :S True, but it made it seem less than TEN decades. A century. It was just... odd. Meh, just me.

I really liked the scene(s) that followed Magnus from the conference call, on to the elevator and into the scene with Will. Well done, Martin!

Did anyone else see the 'alien' thing and think that at some point the legs wold contract and dig in? ;) Glad they didn't go that would.

This hour went by faster than last week, because the episode was so cool. ;) As for the orb, and reminded me of a Goa'uld shock grenade, then a Replicator. :D


I loved how Terrance got the boot so hard there are probably still tread mark on his butt!! and he looked so shocked it was priceless!!

I was watching that scene, and I was like: OWNED! :D I even clapped my hands. :p


That struck me too in this episode. All of the character dialog and character interactions seemed come smoother and with a bit more ease than before to me. Especially in those quite talky opening scenes from Helen and Declan in the infirmary to Helen and Will in his room.

Yeah, Henry says the last time they saw him was in Warriors, and then again a couple of decades before that. Doesn't quite match with how Helen reacted to Gregory in Warriors, I hope they explain this funky timeline with him somewhere down the line.

Overall, I thought this ep was wonderful. I loved the follow up with the HOHs with Declan helping to solidify Helen has the head of the network again. 'Currying politic favor? I'd rather drink coffee.' Hee. The bits with Kate knowing Helen's bank accounts were also funny, as was Bigfoot apparently being a Nicholas Sparks fan. :P

The two abnormals were very creepy, esp with the self-immolation part. I think they're maybe connected to the two other super abnormals Will saw and were trying to use that device to erase Will's memory to protect the secret of that cool city. Hats off to Anthem for the effects in that last scene, it looked amazing.

They weren't kidding in those interviews when they said Sanctuary raises the bar this season, I can't wait to see where this arc goes. :)

I was happy to see Declan working with the team, and that he stood by Helen's side when she was face to face with the other heads of the Sanctuary network. :) Sanctuary most DEFINITELY raised the bar, it's off to a strong start, and I can tell this is gonna be a GREAT season. ;)


Why was this episode named firewall? That was the only thing out of place for me.

Now the title makes sense to me. :)

antigravity
October 23rd, 2010, 12:50 AM
fantastic episode!! woohoo, so excited about this season. "and the crowd goes wild!" lol. definitely agree with earlier posts -- they hit their stride; they seem comfortable and clearly are having fun with the viewers. love it.


Damn, great review. :D I feel a lot came together in this episode, little things from the past, and what not. I loved how Helen caught that ball, it was so cool, and how she knew that baseball palyer. What was his name? :p

Joe DiMaggio! (i'll forgive you if you're canadian ;))


This hour went by faster than last week, because the episode was so cool. ;) As for the orb, and reminded me of a Goa'uld shock grenade, then a Replicator. :D

ya, but even creepier than a replicator with those brain sucking fangs! i thought it was a spider and started thinking it was kali/bertha/makri related, but i checked...only six legs. not sure what to call it. brain bug, or maybe memory mite. :)

NZNeep
October 23rd, 2010, 01:50 AM
Biggie's glasses, and how gently he rested them down on his book! I have just started a job in optics, so I was all "nice frame choice... how did they find a bridge wide enough?" Then I started wondering about what optometrist Biggie goes to :P

kes
October 23rd, 2010, 01:53 AM
That was great. Creepy creatures!
I cant wait to see where they're going with this, unfortunatly the ep feels a bit like its the middle of something but the next ep doesnt seem to be related :(
Damn, Daddy Magnus is really cryptic (sp) lol

dasNdanger
October 23rd, 2010, 02:52 AM
Just three words...

"I like Marcus."

:lol: :lol: :lol:


das

NZNeep
October 23rd, 2010, 04:24 AM
Just three words...

"I like Marcus."

:lol: :lol: :lol:


das

Yep, I loled.

jckfan55
October 23rd, 2010, 05:27 AM
My first impressions: a solid episode.
-- I liked the conference call that restored Magnus and that we got to see the Egyptian lady again.
--I think Wexford may become an enemy of the Sanctuary now.

--I liked that there was fallout from Will's whole makri experience. I liked how the other characters dealt with him.

--I'm not sure about the ending. If we wind up questing for some "lost city" or something all season I'm not sure about that.

-The salamander capture was kind of a fun way to start the ep & they tied it in with the Will situation, so it wasn't just random. Good to see Declan again.

eta--as is usually the case with Sanctuary, when the ep ended I was thinking "what? already?!" If a show does that to me, I consider it successful. :)

Skydiver
October 23rd, 2010, 06:24 AM
i think the other two abbies with kali were 'gods' of a sort....kali was water, i bet one of them was 'land' and the other 'air'
pick a creation myth, specifically an african one and Indian or south american one (going by the ethnicities of the actors)

is it possible that gregory was like will? he 'fell' into the throne room and was one of the 'special select few' and has been allowed to live there?

Wexford will likely be an enemy of a sort. And the biggest reason he was kicked out...the sanctuary network exists at the generosity and 'permission' of local governments and entities. To have that working relationship there has to be some trust and mutual respect. Terance didn't do that. he stomped all over human life and respect in his pursuit of bertha, even murdering a civilian in his ferver. that crossed a line. because as soon as the sanctuary network starts doing that, local governments have a reason to fear them and they'll lose the cooperation that allows them to get the job done.

terrance's attitudes work more with the cabal line of attitude than the sanctuary one. Terance is afraid of other abbies power. he was so afraid of bertha he'd rather have killed her and damn the consequences rather than respecting her. and because he's afraid, he responds by bullying or throwing his own power around to keep others submissive. totally the wrong attitude to have. (an example of that was him finning out to henry and then helen, intimidate and spook. helen's response was the right one when you work iwth monsters 'really? that supposed to spook me? you can't respect them if you fear them)

MelissaAdams
October 23rd, 2010, 07:03 AM
HOLY MOLY GEEZE!!!! :eek: Unbelievably great episode, hands down one of the best in the series in my opinion!!!!! I'm sleep deprivating *ponders if that's a word* for Sanctuary, two hours only cause I watched the episode both times then re-watched it three times before going to bed and am up now...But WELL worth it in my opinion.

I suspected when I learned this was a follow up to the season premiere that Kali Pt. 3 would be the action wrap up and Firewall would be the information/fallout wrap up and I was rewarded to see I was right. Also based on interviews and such I've read the bigger story arc in the season allows them not to have to wrap up everything with a neat little bow at the end of each episode; *Reminder of how Next Tuesday ended last season* and I have to say it's growing on me. I like having a standing question to get me involved in the next episode; as if I needed help :jack_new_anime06:

It was very rewarding to see Helen vindicated in a way and I have to admit I had a question a question when I saw the previews about why Declan was there not that I wasn't happy to see him but he is a HoH so he had his own Sanctuary to run but likely the other HoH's sent him to keep an eye on Helen or he did on his own though I'm sure he worded it another way. I loved how she's now in charge again though and her opinion of politics surprised me a bit, not because I think she's wrong of course but because she's over 150 years old...I'm sure she's dealt with that and more and far worse in that time, she should be an expert but it also may have just been frustration on her part. :D

Wexford is still a complete and not so subtle a**hole in my opinion honestly, but somehow I have a feeling he's going to cause trouble another way...he just seemed to 'calm' for being fired in my opinion. :mckay:

The secondary story with the 'creepies', I'm adopting the name cause they sure as heck were LOL, was great. Will's frustration and his own doubts about himself while the others tried to hide their doubts and be there for him at the same time but also not wanting him on missions was just great. Character interaction was really gone above and beyond in this season so far, it was just great. :p

And come on people how could someone NOT love the Magnus Slinger???? LOL That thing was just AWESOME, even for Henry!!!! Great job whoever thought of that thing, I like it and I want one...I want one bad. ;)

I also loved seeing caring and concerned Helen, despite all the 'crap' she was going through and pardon my language there peeps, she still is concerned about her people and that is a VAST difference between her and Wexford...proof of why she should be the one protecting humans from abnormals and ourselves most the time. She's got a very sucky job but she does it well and I for one am glad she has it. :D :D :D

Overall I give this episode a 10/10 in my humble opinion, it's GREAT, FANTASTIC and Sanctuary at it's best for sure!!!! Truly great I love it and now am off to watch it again. LOL

Why isn't it next Friday yet???

pjt
October 23rd, 2010, 07:11 AM
Wow, great episode!

- What is that?
- It's called "Twilight."
- What do you think of those movies?
- I liked Marcus.
:D

Those creatures were creepy,
Bigfoot reading with glasses :jack_new_anime18:.

And as the artifact transformed the room into a holodeck, it was cool. :cool:

Briangate78
October 23rd, 2010, 07:23 AM
I think Sanctuary so far this season has raised the bar in almost every category.

General Jumper One
October 23rd, 2010, 07:24 AM
I have like the first two episodes of Sanctuary more than the first 2 episodes of SGU

suse
October 23rd, 2010, 07:32 AM
Just three words...

"I like Marcus."

:lol: :lol: :lol:


das


The only thing I know about Marcus is Chris played him in the movie(s). Which *is* funny to have Biggie say that. :) I despised that series. Tried book one. No. Just... no.

suse
October 23rd, 2010, 07:40 AM
I'm sorry if that sounded like a compliant. It wasn't. It was a acknowledgement of liking the mystery.

I don't think the general public would believe him if he said anything. Nothing more then a crackpot. Like those people who say they are abducted by aliens

:lol: Wexford can hardly go to the general public. Can you imagine the reaction of the clueless peeps!

I'm more thinking of him going to work with those who whose to compete with the Sanctuary network. Compete or want to tear down. And he totally would. I'll bet HE feels betrayed. :rolleyes:

dasNdanger
October 23rd, 2010, 07:46 AM
Yep, I loled.

'Foot just stole the show, imho. Great ep - well-balanced with drama, suspense, and humor. Didn't realize how much I missed this show over the summer, and I'm really glad it's back on.


das

suse
October 23rd, 2010, 07:52 AM
Yeah, Henry says the last time they saw him was in Warriors, and then again a couple of decades before that. Doesn't quite match with how Helen reacted to Gregory in Warriors, I hope they explain this funky timeline with him somewhere down the line.

The two abnormals were very creepy, esp with the self-immolation part. I think they're maybe connected to the two other super abnormals Will saw and were trying to use that device to erase Will's memory to protect the secret of that cool city. Hats off to Anthem for the effects in that last scene, it looked amazing.


Glad I'm not the only who was :confused: regarding when/how often Gregory was seen in the past.

I'm not so sure that the abnormals were trying to erase Will's memory. Though they might have been, if they hadn't wanted Gregor to get that information to Helen. Hmmmmmm. Something to discuss/anticipate! Yay!

Spimman
October 23rd, 2010, 08:03 AM
Really awesome episode, this is the best way to open a season I've seen in this show yet...I'm really impressed and hooked more so than I have been in the past!

What do you all think those 2 cloaking high tech abnormals were? You think they live in that city and wanted to keep it a secret? Are they some kind of evolution with increased intelligence and abilities as well? What a mean combination to have abilities and superior technology! :eek:

suse
October 23rd, 2010, 08:03 AM
As for the orb, and reminded me of a Goa'uld shock grenade, then a Replicator. :DThe first time I saw in on Henry's lab, it looked like an eyeball. :lol: Which was perfect, as it was trying to see inside Will's head.


Now the title makes sense to me. :)

Poor Will needed help breaking his firewall. :P

jelgate
October 23rd, 2010, 08:07 AM
I think Sanctuary so far this season has raised the bar in almost every category.
I agree. This season has been so much better then S2. Kate doesn't even tick me off this year

:lol: Wexford can hardly go to the general public. Can you imagine the reaction of the clueless peeps!

I'm more thinking of him going to work with those who whose to compete with the Sanctuary network. Compete or want to tear down. And he totally would. I'll bet HE feels betrayed. :rolleyes:

Better yet. Maybe he starts his own organization with all those ex-Cabal people out there. Speaking of the Cabal, given Kate's statement in the episode are we suppose to believe the End of Nights events neutralized them because I find that a tad unrealastic.

suse
October 23rd, 2010, 08:30 AM
I agree. This season has been so much better then S2. Kate doesn't even tick me off this year


Better yet. Maybe he starts his own organization with all those ex-Cabal people out there. Speaking of the Cabal, given Kate's statement in the episode are we suppose to believe the End of Nights events neutralized them because I find that a tad unrealastic.

Obviously not neutralized, if a relatively high level Cabal agent is out there. But Tesla and Druitt's campaign must ahve taken off the head, and it will take time for the Cabal to reorganize.

jelgate
October 23rd, 2010, 09:11 AM
Obviously not neutralized, if a relatively high level Cabal agent is out there. But Tesla and Druitt's campaign must ahve taken off the head, and it will take time for the Cabal to reorganize.
This is a group older then the Sanctuary. I find it hard to believe that two abnormals would be so effective in taking care of them.

MelissaAdams
October 23rd, 2010, 09:16 AM
Just a quick reply or rather a question I forgot to ask in my rather long review...I mean I'm sure there's lots of questions but this struck me during my multiple viewings of the episode now.

Exactly how big is the Sanctuary and I mean the facility not the network? I've always known from season 1 that the place is HUGE but watching the episode last night it just struck me as the place is flippin' GIGANTIC, I mean huge MONSTEROUS!!!! How do they find their way around in that place? No wonder most of them are always carrying computer tablets, it's probably so they'll have a map. LOL

dosed150
October 23rd, 2010, 09:33 AM
Really awesome episode, this is the best way to open a season I've seen in this show yet...I'm really impressed and hooked more so than I have been in the past!

What do you all think those 2 cloaking high tech abnormals were? You think they live in that city and wanted to keep it a secret? Are they some kind of evolution with increased intelligence and abilities as well? What a mean combination to have abilities and superior technology! :eek:

i was thinking something like that, 2 abnormals with advanced tech turn up, then we see an advanced city has to be a link, maybe the city is somehow cloaked like they are, i mean how else would people not have noticed it

EH-T
October 23rd, 2010, 10:21 AM
Great episode I can't wait to find out more about the 3-D city and where Wills' new friends and enemies came from.
Was it me or did Henry say something about Sidney Crosby?

Yes he did! :D Wondering how many understood the reference beyond Canadians? For those of you who don't know, Sidney Crosby is a famous hockey player and just happened to score the winning goal in overtime to win the gold medal for Canada in Olympic Mens Hockey. Wonder if that was scripted or ad-libbed and what the timing of writing or filming the episode was in relation to the Olympics.


Biggie's glasses, and how gently he rested them down on his book! I have just started a job in optics, so I was all "nice frame choice... how did they find a bridge wide enough?" Then I started wondering about what optometrist Biggie goes to :P

:p

Have to watch it again before making more detailed comments but I have to say i really liked this episode. For all the hype and action of Kali III, I liked this little bottle show even better.

dasNdanger
October 23rd, 2010, 10:35 AM
Oh, geez...I just remembered another hilarious moment - when Will indicated what his reaction was to 'Foot's special herbs ("stomach cramps, and the, uh..."), and then Henry's reaction ("Whoa!") in return! :lol:

This is right up there with my favorite eps. I am also really intrigued by the city at the end, too. I wonder if that city is where Will went, and where he met Helen's pop. In other words, is it a physical city, or something that exists on another plane of existence?


das

NoCleverSig
October 23rd, 2010, 10:49 AM
Yes he did! :D Wondering how many understood the reference beyond Canadians? For those of you who don't know, Sidney Crosby is a famous hockey player and just happened to score the winning goal in overtime to win the gold medal for Canada in Olympic Mens Hockey. Wonder if that was scripted or ad-libbed and what the timing of writing or filming the episode was in relation to the Olympics.Have to watch it again before making more detailed comments but I have to say i really liked this episode. For all the hype and action of Kali III, I liked this little bottle show even better.

Thanks for explaining that. Poor Texan here did not get it.

NoCleverSig
October 23rd, 2010, 10:52 AM
Have to watch it again before making more detailed comments but I have to say i really liked this episode. For all the hype and action of Kali III, I liked this little bottle show even better.

I agree with you. Actually, I was ready for the Kali story to be over, so I was pleasantly surprised with the season opener. However, I didn't expect that much from this ep and it blew my mind. As others said, character interaction was SO excellent!!! Dialogue so well done. Everyone just felt so at ease with each other. Interactions/convos did not seemed force. Humor was there as well. Acting was spot on. Everything was hitting on all cylinders. Very impressed and SO looking forward to future eps!

Celandine
October 23rd, 2010, 11:33 AM
Overall, I thought Firewall was rather good.

-Loved how Wexford was outed from the organization...finally. Bout time. I can see him aligning with any baddies in future eps now.

-Loved the softie in Biggie with him reading Nicholas Sparks. I wonder if he tears up during the sad parts of those books. :P

-Loved Henry geeking out over the 'alien mind probe'. Hee! Was laughing at the end when he was astounded by the city that appeared and couldnt believe his eyes, but could still entertain thoughts of aliens from other planets.

Wasn't overly fond of the leotard-clad abnormals. Costumes just didnt do it for me. Guess I should be happy that at least there were no noticeable 'panty-lines'. :P

General question, but did Kate seem different to anyone in this episode? Toward the end of S2, she seemed to mellow out and fit into the Sanctuary more with the rest of the team, shedding her old ways in a sense. In this one, she seemed back to her 'street-smart' ways and her silly one-liners. As if the chip on her shoulder had returned or whatever and she had to act 'tough' again. Was rather disappointed to see her regressing so much when I thought she was beginning to mature and move on from her past.

hedwig
October 23rd, 2010, 12:02 PM
I have like the first two episodes of Sanctuary more than the first 2 episodes of SGU

Ditto. :)


The only thing I know about Marcus is Chris played him in the movie(s). Which *is* funny to have Biggie say that. :) I despised that series. Tried book one. No. Just... no.

I read the whole series, and probably understand why you couldn't get through it. I have no intention of seeing any of the movies. :)


Glad I'm not the only who was :confused: regarding when/how often Gregory was seen in the past.

I wondered about that, too.


I agree. This season has been so much better then S2. Kate doesn't even tick me off this year

Agree. Though I'm still on the fence about Kate. :o:)


Exactly how big is the Sanctuary and I mean the facility not the network? I've always known from season 1 that the place is HUGE but watching the episode last night it just struck me as the place is flippin' GIGANTIC, I mean huge MONSTEROUS!!!! How do they find their way around in that place? No wonder most of them are always carrying computer tablets, it's probably so they'll have a map. LOL

From seeing those aerial pictures of the main Sanctuary, it looks like it could be taking up at least one and possibly two (or three) city sized blocks. And that's not even taking into account what's all underground.

They need directional signs in the corridors.:) "This way to Helen's lab". "This way to elevators." "This way to library." "This way to sitting room." "This way to bathroom." :D

jmoz
October 23rd, 2010, 12:13 PM
That was freakin A. Intrigue, mystery, balance of character moments and action, plot arc, and some mythos.

Yeah, about Kate, she's a total chick. But the others are cool, although a little disappointed they mentioned Twilight that much, sorry not a fan.

MelissaAdams
October 23rd, 2010, 12:56 PM
Ditto. :)

From seeing those aerial pictures of the main Sanctuary, it looks like it could be taking up at least one and possibly two (or three) city sized blocks. And that's not even taking into account what's all underground.

They need directional signs in the corridors.:) "This way to Helen's lab". "This way to elevators." "This way to library." "This way to sitting room." "This way to bathroom." :D

LOL :D Very true, I agree with you they need signs but I know the Sanctuary is huge..it's just the episode last night like stepped right up and said, 'Do you realize HOW huge we are?' It just struck me last night during the episode, seemed like there was no end to the thing. LOL

Course now you gotta wander exactly HOW much is Helen worth? She's got money, that we found out about.

Skydiver
October 23rd, 2010, 01:12 PM
she must have it well hidden.

multiple accounts in multiple places and possibly under multiple names

Madness reigns
October 23rd, 2010, 01:19 PM
Great episode, got a feeling that having an arc over the next 18 episodes (and beyond!!) is going to take us on an amazing journey :D


i think the other two abbies with kali were 'gods' of a sort....kali was water, i bet one of them was 'land' and the other 'air'pick a creation myth, specifically an african one and Indian or south american one (going by the ethnicities of the actors)



That's what I thought after last weeks episode (can't remember if I posted it or not though) their ability to counteract Kali's waves proves their ability and it kind of makes sense to have others to keep everything in harmony.... looking forward to seeing some more gigantic abnormals :)

Love the holographic?? city, beautifully designed - and I agree with whoever mentioned the possibility of the two abnormals coming from there and wanting to keep it secret - bettng we see more of them as the team gets closer to finding the city.

Great to see Declan working with the team again, seems to slot in quite nicely when he's needed - pity he was gone by the end but guess he does have his own area to look after.

NZNeep
October 23rd, 2010, 03:01 PM
Wasn't overly fond of the leotard-clad abnormals. Costumes just didnt do it for me. Guess I should be happy that at least there were no noticeable 'panty-lines'. :P

But that's the abnormal I'm dressing as for the abby ball. Yup.

suse
October 23rd, 2010, 03:08 PM
But that's the abnormal I'm dressing as for the abby ball. Yup.

Remember, no panty lines! ;)

majorsal
October 23rd, 2010, 03:47 PM
loved the ep! :D

~needed more helen~

what? :o

jelgate
October 23rd, 2010, 03:55 PM
loved the ep! :D

~needed more helen~

what? :o
I know this hard to believe but their are people who like other characters more then Helen? Shouldn't those characters be able to shine as well and put Helen in the background for an episode or two?:P

Skydiver
October 23rd, 2010, 05:34 PM
I think we're very lucky that amanda is far from a glory hound and is more than willing to let others shine.

In fact, that's how rick used to be from all i ever heard. If there was a scene and it made more sense for someone else to say a line rather than jack, he was like fine. no biggie

i think amanda is the same way. and given as many hats as she wears, i'm sure she's more than happy to let the other actors have lines while she takes the time to edit or produce or other stuff

majorsal
October 23rd, 2010, 05:56 PM
I know this hard to believe but their are people who like other characters more then Helen? Shouldn't those characters be able to shine as well and put Helen in the background for an episode or two?:P

there are 'other' characters?... :S

majorsal
October 23rd, 2010, 06:22 PM
so i started to review the ep, but i realized i needed to see it again to do a good job. (and that staying up late is murder for me with my work schedule)


just random:

i didn't get the 'twilight' reference, b/c 1- i haven't seen the movies :p, and 2- i have a LOT of trouble hearing dialog on this show (or) channel. so does my mom. it might be my tv... just very muffled sometimes. anyhoo, i couldn't hear what biggie said, and then after reading here, i still wouldn't have known. :p

also didn't know the hockey player or author. hmmm, maybe i really don't get out enough :p

LOVED helen catching that baseball! :p mom laughed out loud. :p

helen's cleared, she's officially head of house, and wexford's got a spanking and doesn't get to play in the sanctuary sandbox anymore! :p

oh, did declan 'know' that this verdict was coming, and that's why helen called him a cheeky ba**ard?

poor will. but very nice seeing him in his boxer briefs. i didn't know robin was so defined. :p

the whitey abnormals were cool. :p but were they trying to erase will's memories, or ignite them b/c they were following gregory's request/orders?

and i agree, sky, biggie felt more human-ish. i don't mind letting up on the grunties. :p

wexford's not done with helen. ah oh. :S :p

very interesting in this mini, magical city. can't wait to find out more about it. :D

oh, and more helen. ;)

Inquisitor
October 23rd, 2010, 08:49 PM
there are 'other' characters?... :S

I'm not sure.

Rocky89
October 23rd, 2010, 08:58 PM
Overall, I thought Firewall was rather good.

-Loved how Wexford was outed from the organization...finally. Bout time. I can see him aligning with any baddies in future eps now.

-Loved the softie in Biggie with him reading Nicholas Sparks. I wonder if he tears up during the sad parts of those books. :P

-Loved Henry geeking out over the 'alien mind probe'. Hee! Was laughing at the end when he was astounded by the city that appeared and couldnt believe his eyes, but could still entertain thoughts of aliens from other planets.

Wasn't overly fond of the leotard-clad abnormals. Costumes just didnt do it for me. Guess I should be happy that at least there were no noticeable 'panty-lines'. :P

General question, but did Kate seem different to anyone in this episode? Toward the end of S2, she seemed to mellow out and fit into the Sanctuary more with the rest of the team, shedding her old ways in a sense. In this one, she seemed back to her 'street-smart' ways and her silly one-liners. As if the chip on her shoulder had returned or whatever and she had to act 'tough' again. Was rather disappointed to see her regressing so much when I thought she was beginning to mature and move on from her past.

Great review. ;)



LOL :D Very true, I agree with you they need signs but I know the Sanctuary is huge..it's just the episode last night like stepped right up and said, 'Do you realize HOW huge we are?' It just struck me last night during the episode, seemed like there was no end to the thing. LOL

Course now you gotta wander exactly HOW much is Helen worth? She's got money, that we found out about.


she must have it well hidden.

multiple accounts in multiple places and possibly under multiple names

Well, she's smart so I imagine she's been saving for over 100 years. But how does she keep these accounts and change them? I mean after a while she has to do something with them? Also, what about her drivers license, how does she get it renewed and what not?


loved the ep! :D

~needed more helen~

what? :o

They should do a spin off show, "The Helen Magnus Show". :p



I know this hard to believe but their are people who like other characters more then Helen? Shouldn't those characters be able to shine as well and put Helen in the background for an episode or two?:P


I think we're very lucky that amanda is far from a glory hound and is more than willing to let others shine.

In fact, that's how rick used to be from all i ever heard. If there was a scene and it made more sense for someone else to say a line rather than jack, he was like fine. no biggie

i think amanda is the same way. and given as many hats as she wears, i'm sure she's more than happy to let the other actors have lines while she takes the time to edit or produce or other stuff

Well said, that's Amanda for us. I mean, she could be a snotty actress, and after all she was on the a show that ran for 10 years, but she's not like that at all. She's thankful for every single thing and I think that's one of the things I admire most about her. :) She's not in the business for the money, she enjoys what she's doing and that's the reason for it. Needless to say, it's allowing her to stay in the city she's lived in for the past 12-13 years and raise a family as well, that's the other bonus she's mentioned. :)

jelgate
October 23rd, 2010, 09:04 PM
I think we're very lucky that amanda is far from a glory hound and is more than willing to let others shine.

In fact, that's how rick used to be from all i ever heard. If there was a scene and it made more sense for someone else to say a line rather than jack, he was like fine. no biggie

i think amanda is the same way. and given as many hats as she wears, i'm sure she's more than happy to let the other actors have lines while she takes the time to edit or produce or other stuff


Great review. ;)



Well, she's smart so I imagine she's been saving for over 100 years. But how does she keep these accounts and change them? I mean after a while she has to do something with them? Also, what about her drivers license, how does she get it renewed and what not?



They should do a spin off show, "The Helen Magnus Show". :p



Well said, that's Amanda for us. I mean, she could be a snotty actress, and after all she was on the a show that ran for 10 years, but she's not like that at all. She's thankful for every single thing and I think that's one of the things I admire most about her. :) She's not in the business for the money, she enjoys what she's doing and that's the reason for it. Needless to say, it's allowing her to stay in the city she's lived in for the past 12-13 years and raise a family as well, that's the other bonus she's mentioned. :)

I never meant that Amanda Tapping was an actress who just wants to dominate the screen just that the characters should be embraced beside the lead. Its a problem I've noticed in the past with Sanctuary. Neglecting the supporting in favor of the lead. Luckly so far S3 hasn't done that.

Rocky89
October 23rd, 2010, 09:09 PM
so i started to review the ep, but i realized i needed to see it again to do a good job. (and that staying up late is murder for me with my work schedule)

Makes it all worth it, eh? :p


just random:

i didn't get the 'twilight' reference, b/c 1- i haven't seen the movies :p, and 2- i have a LOT of trouble hearing dialog on this show (or) channel. so does my mom. it might be my tv... just very muffled sometimes. anyhoo, i couldn't hear what biggie said, and then after reading here, i still wouldn't have known. :p

CH was in the movies, and played the character of Marcus. :p


LOVED helen catching that baseball! :p mom laughed out loud. :p

I loved that. :D Did you see the face Helen made walking down the hall to her office before that happened? She made a crooked grin that reminded me of Sam. :p


helen's cleared, she's officially head of house, and wexford's got a spanking and doesn't get to play in the sanctuary sandbox anymore! :p

That was the main thing I wanted to see this season. ;) And Wexford got pwned. ;)


oh, did declan 'know' that this verdict was coming, and that's why helen called him a cheeky ba**ard?

Maybe he didn't know for sure, but had a gut feeling since he knows who Helen is, and all the facts that happened with Kali. Loved Helens line. :D


poor will. but very nice seeing him in his boxer briefs. i didn't know robin was so defined. :p

:lol:


wexford's not done with helen. ah oh. :S :p

If he comes back, she'll own him again. ;)


very interesting in this mini, magical city. can't wait to find out more about it. :D

oh, and more helen. ;)

I can't wait to read your review for Breach. :D

EvenstarSRV
October 23rd, 2010, 09:59 PM
:lol: Wexford can hardly go to the general public. Can you imagine the reaction of the clueless peeps!

I'm more thinking of him going to work with those who whose to compete with the Sanctuary network. Compete or want to tear down. And he totally would. I'll bet HE feels betrayed. :rolleyes:

Hmm, I wonder if he'll end up teaming up with Ian Tracy's character, since he's suppose to be the new bad guy this year.


Glad I'm not the only who was :confused: regarding when/how often Gregory was seen in the past.

I'm not so sure that the abnormals were trying to erase Will's memory. Though they might have been, if they hadn't wanted Gregor to get that information to Helen. Hmmmmmm. Something to discuss/anticipate! Yay!

Well I figured they were targeting Will for a reason. If it was to just get useful information I'd think Helen would be their primary target, but they chose Will who was the only one with memories of what happened in that temple. Considering the settings on their device they were either going to induce Will to recall those memories, or erase them. I think they were trying to stop Will from remembering Gregory's message, probably to protect the power and technology of that city from being found.



oh, did declan 'know' that this verdict was coming, and that's why helen called him a cheeky ba**ard?


Declan did set up that conference call, I figure he arranged the vote to kick out Wexford and more firmly reinstate Helen.

mandogater
October 23rd, 2010, 10:56 PM
Yes he did! :D Wondering how many understood the reference beyond Canadians? For those of you who don't know, Sidney Crosby is a famous hockey player and just happened to score the winning goal in overtime to win the gold medal for Canada in Olympic Mens Hockey. Wonder if that was scripted or ad-libbed and what the timing of writing or filming the episode was in relation to the Olympics.

Acctually, I'm a rabid hockey fan that was born and bred in Ohio and grew up a Pittsburgh Penguins fans. Somebody with have to ask RR at a convention about it.

Rocky89
October 23rd, 2010, 11:16 PM
I never meant that Amanda Tapping was an actress who just wants to dominate the screen just that the characters should be embraced beside the lead. Its a problem I've noticed in the past with Sanctuary. Neglecting the supporting in favor of the lead. Luckly so far S3 hasn't done that.

Oh, I know, I know, I just felt like saying it. :)

charles582
October 24th, 2010, 02:34 AM
A great episode. Loved seeing wexford get what he deserved. You guys think wexford will cause more trouble this season? Loved the city at the end. You guys don't think they will end up naming the city atlantis do you?

atlantis_babe34
October 24th, 2010, 03:25 AM
Ahhhh! what an awesome episode! Where to begin. i'm so much more impressed with this one then i was with last weeks

Pro's:
- the whole frist camera pan from Helen treating Declan all the way to the end talk with Will.. Great shot!
- Kate knowing all the accounts.. cracked me up
- Will's mood swings and the baseball to the wall....which leads to me to Magnus catching that awesome baseball throw :D
- Kate : "I need money".. cracked me right up :D
- Biggie reading Twilight.. such a fanboy :P and Reading Nicholas Sparks :D
and biggies "Sweet Dreams".. oh oh! and the fact that he WEARS GLASSES! XD
- The conferance call and the "Cheeky *******" line.. was great :D
- "can you feel that?" "your finger in my ear?!" ahaha loved the humor
- "and the crowd goes wild!.. three words please?!" "well done Henry!"
- The end scene witht he semi -holigraphic city.. was awesome!


Cons:
- the costumes for the creepy dudes lol
- and the burning scene! ahhhh horrifically werid!
- theme music.. still can't get used to it!!

i am a little confused about the whole seeing Gregory a few decades before Warriors... that just seems strange to me becuase Magnus's reaction to seeing him, so did not match that... and to be honest i thought he was cro frozen that's how the Cabal got to him....

overall fantastic episode can't wait for next week!!!

Chelle DB
October 24th, 2010, 04:10 AM
Having just watched the newest episode, I thought I wasn't going to be wowed - boy was I wrong.
Think my favourite line was when Helen looked at Declan and said "Cheeky *******"...way better than cheeky monkey but I somehow don't think that would be appropriate to wear on a t shirt! :P
Three words - Well done Anthem! The graphics are just wicked.
Kinda liked Helen's reference to the coffee again - but really....comparing drinking coffee to political favours?? No comparison. :)
Biggie was brilliant - loved his glasses and the Twilight reference...even though I have never seen/read the series.
Terrance getting put in his place - he is so not a happy camper and it wouldn't surprise me if he had something devious up his sleeve...I wonder if it's more a personal vendetta against Helen rather than just his hunger for power? Either way, it was so cool to see him pulled down a peg or three. So glad he's no longer head of any house.
Henry and his doohickeys - gotta love Henry and how he just lights up with his big boy toys! Loved the "Magnus slinger"...hope they keep the name. :P
Kate - cute...simply cute.
Helen - what can I say...full of "naw-ness" for Helen is me. :D
I didn't really like the little white abnormals....reminded me of the little white peoples from the SG ep "False Step". I'm kinda wondering if they live a little like a phoenix...maybe them burning up was a way for them to escape...burn up and go invisible and leave the crispy shell of their bodies behind....perhaps we may yet see them again. Were they bad abnormals?? Or just misunderstood? Who knows.

But all in all, I loved the episode. Am hoping to be totally wowed again next week. :)

I know this hard to believe but their are people who like other characters more then Helen? Shouldn't those characters be able to shine as well and put Helen in the background for an episode or two?:P
Um jel....you do realise that Sally was saying that as a joke...in jest...not seriously...in fun?? :) Just thought maybe someone should point that out. I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone who likes the other characters or any suggestion in any serious way to imply that other characters not be given the same opportunity to shine as Helen does. :) Sally just loves Helen....a lot...and was just having fun. :)

I'm looking forward to seeing Tesla return. And John. *sighs* :)

Skydiver
October 24th, 2010, 04:29 AM
Jel

I never meant that you or anyone was saying Amanda was 'bad' in any way. I just think of shows like CSI MIami, where Caruso inserts himself in as many scenes as possible, where he's dong things that aren't his job, just so that his character 'saves the day' in any and every way imaginable...honestly if his people were so incompetant that they couldn't do their jobs without horatio's input, they shouldn't have them.

IMHO, caruso is a glory hound and ego mongerer

amanda is just the opposite, and i think this is why Helen is in a scene when she needs to be there, and if she doesn't need to be there, then she isn't.

Klenotka
October 24th, 2010, 05:40 AM
It looks like Sanctuary is getting better with every episode. I hope it will last :)
I loved this episode - actors are finally a group of people who have been doing this for some time. Their team interactions were great, I loved how we could see every team member with someone else - my favorite, Will and Henry, or Henry and Kate, Magnus and Kate, Big Guy and Henry/Will...I loved the scene with the whole team, where Henry probes Will´s mind. It was funny and touching.

I also liked that they didn´t forget about events in previous episodes (as was a bad habit with SG1 and SGA) but they were dealing with consequences (especially Will), and, there is a great potential story-arc ahead.

This show could be great, so I am glad they got a full season this time. Hopefully there will be more story-arcs episodes than stand-alone ones.

For me, the turning point was the second half of S2. I love Kate, I think she brought an incredible energy to the show. It would be interesting to see her deal with some return of Ashley but I have to admit, I don´t miss Ashley at all. Maybe because her death (or disappearance) is one those things they forgot about in next episode....


(sorry for my English, I have a flu and it´s hard to think ;))

jelgate
October 24th, 2010, 09:12 AM
Having just watched the newest episode, I thought I wasn't going to be wowed - boy was I wrong.
Think my favourite line was when Helen looked at Declan and said "Cheeky *******"...way better than cheeky monkey but I somehow don't think that would be appropriate to wear on a t shirt! :P
Three words - Well done Anthem! The graphics are just wicked.
Kinda liked Helen's reference to the coffee again - but really....comparing drinking coffee to political favours?? No comparison. :)
Biggie was brilliant - loved his glasses and the Twilight reference...even though I have never seen/read the series.
Terrance getting put in his place - he is so not a happy camper and it wouldn't surprise me if he had something devious up his sleeve...I wonder if it's more a personal vendetta against Helen rather than just his hunger for power? Either way, it was so cool to see him pulled down a peg or three. So glad he's no longer head of any house.
Henry and his doohickeys - gotta love Henry and how he just lights up with his big boy toys! Loved the "Magnus slinger"...hope they keep the name. :P
Kate - cute...simply cute.
Helen - what can I say...full of "naw-ness" for Helen is me. :D
I didn't really like the little white abnormals....reminded me of the little white peoples from the SG ep "False Step". I'm kinda wondering if they live a little like a phoenix...maybe them burning up was a way for them to escape...burn up and go invisible and leave the crispy shell of their bodies behind....perhaps we may yet see them again. Were they bad abnormals?? Or just misunderstood? Who knows.

But all in all, I loved the episode. Am hoping to be totally wowed again next week. :)

Um jel....you do realise that Sally was saying that as a joke...in jest...not seriously...in fun?? :) Just thought maybe someone should point that out. I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone who likes the other characters or any suggestion in any serious way to imply that other characters not be given the same opportunity to shine as Helen does. :) Sally just loves Helen....a lot...and was just having fun. :)

I'm looking forward to seeing Tesla return. And John. *sighs* :)

As was I.;)

Galileo_Galilee
October 24th, 2010, 12:32 PM
I bet that city turns out to be Atlantis.

It's always Atlantis.

Klenotka
October 24th, 2010, 12:55 PM
I bet that city turns out to be Atlantis.

It's always Atlantis.

I thought the same thing.

charles582
October 24th, 2010, 01:37 PM
you guys remember the first tv episode of sanctuary? They had just taken down that boy. Magnus said to ashley "this chaos was completly avoidable" In this episode right after they took down that giant salamander. helen says to will "this was completly avoidable" Just thought that was interesting.

Demoniser
October 24th, 2010, 02:30 PM
Worked my way through the first two seasons of Sanctuary over the past week or so, and it seems to be going from strength to strength.

I'm really liking the plot threads that are opening up. Just a few guesses i have.

The city, it looked almost identical to rapture from Bioshock. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more of a grander vision, an entire city for abnormals to live. Wouldn't surprise me if it's out there already, cloaked :p (thinking of the little white guys) Magnus has only been around for just over 150 years, it wouldn't surprise me if others have been protecting abnormals for allot longer than she has been alive (like the cult of Kali and the Macri which has been around for thousands, so we were told)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture_%28BioShock%29

The two guys standing next to Kali, I'm guessing they are very powerful, god like abnormals like Kali. I imagine the three have some sort of trinity between them, with each being integral to the world.

I'm guessing that Will still has a major part to play, as he seems to have caught the attention of at least one of the avatars/gods that was with Kali.

Looking forward to the rest of the season :).

majorsal
October 24th, 2010, 03:08 PM
I loved that. :D Did you see the face Helen made walking down the hall to her office before that happened? She made a crooked grin that reminded me of Sam. :p



cap please! :p

majorsal
October 24th, 2010, 03:10 PM
A great episode. Loved seeing wexford get what he deserved. You guys think wexford will cause more trouble this season?

i just can't help thinking he will. he gave up too easily. :S :p


Loved the city at the end. You guys don't think they will end up naming the city atlantis do you?

now that's funny! :p

jckfan55
October 24th, 2010, 03:14 PM
she must have it well hidden.

multiple accounts in multiple places and possibly under multiple names
I had the feeling Kate sees it as a way of keeping her skills sharp or fun to find Magnus' money. And Magnus seemed to take a pretty tolerant attitude about it. A good sign that Kate is definitely part of the team.


I never meant that Amanda Tapping was an actress who just wants to dominate the screen just that the characters should be embraced beside the lead. Its a problem I've noticed in the past with Sanctuary. Neglecting the supporting in favor of the lead. Luckly so far S3 hasn't done that.

I find Helen the most interesting character, but she wouldn't be without other characters around her. I think they have a very team feel, which I like.

majorsal
October 24th, 2010, 03:21 PM
random question(s)-

is kali the pretty woman the same entity as kali the spider? i mean, are they really one and the same?

kali collapsed in 'kali 3', but did she die?

MelissaAdams
October 24th, 2010, 03:58 PM
random question(s)-

is kali the pretty woman the same entity as kali the spider? i mean, are they really one and the same?

ANS: Yes they are the same, the pretty lady is an avatar for Kali just as the other two 'guys' were.

kali collapsed in 'kali 3', but did she die?

ANS: No, after Helen tells Terrance it's over and the wave is stopped when she is told that it's stopped standing with the Captain Helen asks if it's Bertha. The guy giving the information said negative, she was alive but non-active so she's alive according to Kali Pt. 3. Based on the last episode aka Firewall she's now in containment and happy, Helen's information shared during the conference call.

Skydiver
October 24th, 2010, 05:52 PM
I thought the same thing.

me three


and yes, it's ALWAYS atlantis

although, you know, it's been found so many times there must have been dozens of them ;)

atlantis_babe34
October 24th, 2010, 06:50 PM
i hope they come up with something more orginal then Atlantis lol.. its been done to death :P

majorsal
October 24th, 2010, 07:06 PM
how about 'Shangri-La'? :p

LadyGalaxyJ
October 24th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Just wanted to share with you some of my thoughts on the ep before going back and reading the discussion going one. ^^

- "Currying political favor, I'd rather drink coffee." Or after her conference call with the other HOHs, the look she gave Declan was adorable. I loved her in that ep! She had great lines as well a some more dramatic scenes.
- I felt that this show had I life of its own, and yet, at the same time, felt connected to Kali III. I don't know how to explain it, but I definitly like the way season 3 is heading. ;DD
- The city was AMAZING. Where are they going with that? I don't remember. <3

And now more in general:
I think you realise a show has hit its third season (or you know, whatever later season than 1 and 2) when something like I think is happening now on Sanctuary happens. Let me explain. You can see how at ease the characters - and cast I must assume - are at ease with eachother. Each scenes seems to have a flavor. The on-screen chemistry between everyone is absolutely great.
IMO, anyway. ^^

Skydiver
October 24th, 2010, 07:13 PM
i wonder...that city has a river running through it. hardly unique i know, most cities do, however....and this is likely beyond a long shot, what if it was new city/old city before whatever trashed half of it?

majorsal
October 24th, 2010, 07:18 PM
I think you realise a show has hit its third season (or you know, whatever later season than 1 and 2) when something like I think is happening now on Sanctuary happens. Let me explain. You can see how at ease the characters - and cast I must assume - are at ease with eachother. Each scenes seems to have a flavor. The on-screen chemistry between everyone is absolutely great.
IMO, anyway. ^^

great observation! :)

Rocky89
October 24th, 2010, 08:08 PM
Having just watched the newest episode, I thought I wasn't going to be wowed - boy was I wrong.

:lol:


Think my favourite line was when Helen looked at Declan and said "Cheeky *******"...way better than cheeky monkey but I somehow don't think that would be appropriate to wear on a t shirt! :P

I thought of you when I heard that line, since you say "cheeky monkey" a lot. :p


But all in all, I loved the episode. Am hoping to be totally wowed again next week. :)

*Bops Chelle on the head for having doubt*

*Gives Chelle an icepack, and a ladybug hat* :p


Um jel....you do realise that Sally was saying that as a joke...in jest...not seriously...in fun?? Just thought maybe someone should point that out. I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone who likes the other characters or any suggestion in any serious way to imply that other characters not be given the same opportunity to shine as Helen does. :) Sally just loves Helen....a lot...and was just having fun. :)

After 3 years with Helen, and like 12-13 with AT/Sam, we know how much Sally is a fangirl. :p

Great review, Chelle. :)


It looks like Sanctuary is getting better with every episode. I hope it will last :)

It has since Season 1, episode 1. :)


cap please! :p

Will 5 do? :p

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how about 'Shangri-La'? :p

What? :P

Eternal Density
October 24th, 2010, 10:08 PM
Excellent episode! I love that the new arc - finding some lost city type place - has grown directly out of the end of the Kali arc which was started back in Veritas. This season looks to have a clearer direction than season 2. While it had some great eps, season 2 seen as a whole was rather disjointed without much in the way of common arcs/threads (besides Helen dealing with Ashley's death and Kate integrating with the team, which weren't exactly extremely major plot points). At the end of episode 2 of season 2, we had no idea where the rest of the season was headed. While after episode 2 of season 3, we already have an overall goal Team Magnus is aiming for, and that goal is linked in with the whole Kali thing so it's well grounded with what's gone on before in the show.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how this goes.

There were so many fun moments in Firewall. And Terrance sure got served!
It didn't seem very smart to stick the memory stimulation thing on Will while he was sitting on the couch though. I would have expected they'd take him back to the medbay first, so they could do medicalish things to him in case something went wrong.

[edit]


The one major compliant is not knowing where the invisible abnormals came from and why.


I'm sorry if that sounded like a compliant. It wasn't. It was a acknowledgement of liking the mystery.Wha?
Thanks for the mental whiplash, jel. I think it sounded like a complaint because you said it was the one major complaint. If the one major complaint isn't really a complaint as such, it would help if you explained that at the time rather than leaving us wondering until you clarify.
(This isn't a complaint, just a tip so you don't end up in this situation in the future.)
Also, I don't think 'compliant' means what you think it means.

jelgate
October 24th, 2010, 10:38 PM
Excellent episode! I love that the new arc - finding some lost city type place - has grown directly out of the end of the Kali arc which was started back in Veritas. This season looks to have a clearer direction than season 2. While it had some great eps, season 2 seen as a whole was rather disjointed without much in the way of common arcs/threads (besides Helen dealing with Ashley's death and Kate integrating with the team, which weren't exactly extremely major plot points). At the end of episode 2 of season 2, we had no idea where the rest of the season was headed. While after episode 2 of season 3, we already have an overall goal Team Magnus is aiming for, and that goal is linked in with the whole Kali thing so it's well grounded with what's gone on before in the show.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how this goes.

There were so many fun moments in Firewall. And Terrance sure got served!
It didn't seem very smart to stick the memory stimulation thing on Will while he was sitting on the couch though. I would have expected they'd take him back to the medbay first, so they could do medicalish things to him in case something went wrong.

[edit]



Wha?
Thanks for the mental whiplash, jel. I think it sounded like a complaint because you said it was the one major complaint. If the one major complaint isn't really a complaint as such, it would help if you explained that at the time rather than leaving us wondering until you clarify.
(This isn't a complaint, just a tip so you don't end up in this situation in the future.)
Also, I don't think 'compliant' means what you think it means.

The compliant is about not knowing about the invisible abnormals The second one was about the mystery of the city

wurlitzer153
October 24th, 2010, 11:54 PM
The compliant is about not knowing about the invisible abnormals The second one was about the mystery of the city

I think ED means you're looking for the word complaint, not compliant. :)

Chelle DB
October 25th, 2010, 12:56 AM
As was I.;)
Cool. :D


I bet that city turns out to be Atlantis.
It's always Atlantis.

I thought the same thing.
Oh I do hope not. I thought it might have been London from years ago...re the steam train and the blimp.

you guys remember the first tv episode of sanctuary? They had just taken down that boy. Magnus said to ashley "this chaos was completly avoidable" In this episode right after they took down that giant salamander. helen says to will "this was completly avoidable" Just thought that was interesting.
I love how she uses a few select phrases - like "it's good to see you too (insert name)...and "well done Henry". :)

I had the feeling Kate sees it as a way of keeping her skills sharp or fun to find Magnus' money. And Magnus seemed to take a pretty tolerant attitude about it. A good sign that Kate is definitely part of the team.
I loved that little chat they had about the money and how calm and relaxed Helen was about Kate's knowing about the special accounts. I see Kate as being part of the family rather than the team. When I first saw Kate on Sanctuary, I said that I liked her and thought she was gonna be good. Have not been disappointed with her yet. I think my fave ep thus far with Kate is Eulogy - I loved her and the Steno...cute!

i hope they come up with something more orginal then Atlantis lol.. its been done to death :P
I agree. :)

how about 'Shangri-La'? :p
Oooh...good one. But I always picture Shangri-La being more a tropical place rather than a city like the one depicted. But good thinking Sally. :)

And now more in general:
I think you realise a show has hit its third season (or you know, whatever later season than 1 and 2) when something like I think is happening now on Sanctuary happens. Let me explain. You can see how at ease the characters - and cast I must assume - are at ease with eachother. Each scenes seems to have a flavor. The on-screen chemistry between everyone is absolutely great.
IMO, anyway. ^^
Well I for one like your humble opinion very much. :)

i wonder...that city has a river running through it. hardly unique i know, most cities do, however....and this is likely beyond a long shot, what if it was new city/old city before whatever trashed half of it?
Oooh...now that would be interesting....anyone see the old bridge or what looks like could be the old bridge? Very clever.

I thought of you when I heard that line, since you say "cheeky monkey" a lot. :p
Actually I say Cheeky bugger...forget the monkey! :P

*Bops Chelle on the head for having doubt*
*Gives Chelle an icepack, and a ladybug hat* :p
Cheeky bugger! :P:P

So what does everyone think about Gregory Magnus being with the "gods"....dead, ascended or just another abnormal? Maybe Helen actually inherited an abnormality as well as having obtained one from the source blood??? Just a thought. :)

Skydiver
October 25th, 2010, 04:40 AM
well, gregory disappeared in the himilayas all those years ago

it's possible, when he 'ran away' after the cabal thing, that he tried to find when and where he'd been found and thawed by the cabal, and found himself in service to some abby.

how better to understand and protect them than to work iwth one?

Klenotka
October 25th, 2010, 05:26 AM
And now more in general:
I think you realise a show has hit its third season (or you know, whatever later season than 1 and 2) when something like I think is happening now on Sanctuary happens. Let me explain. You can see how at ease the characters - and cast I must assume - are at ease with eachother. Each scenes seems to have a flavor. The on-screen chemistry between everyone is absolutely great.
IMO, anyway. ^^

Yep, I wrote something similar (I think). It was especially obvious in the team scene before Henry probed Will´s mind with that device. The "I think so"..."He thinks so."..."I dropped it" bit was so funny that I had to rewatch it later. And some stuff even seemed a little improvised to me (in a good way) which is always a good sign that the cast gets along very well. I especially like the fact that they developed Will´s character a little, so he isn´t just Daniel Jackson 2.0 and that they focus also on other characters than just Magnus. I love Will, Henry and Kate so I am glad they can get enough screentime.

jelgate
October 25th, 2010, 06:43 AM
I think ED means you're looking for the word complaint, not compliant. :)

I have more important things to do then worry about spelling. It always sounds petty to me.

LadyGalaxyJ
October 25th, 2010, 09:16 AM
i wonder...that city has a river running through it. hardly unique i know, most cities do, however....and this is likely beyond a long shot, what if it was new city/old city before whatever trashed half of it?
Interesting! :)
Way better than another Atlantis. XD


Yep, I wrote something similar (I think). It was especially obvious in the team scene before Henry probed Will´s mind with that device. The "I think so"..."He thinks so."..."I dropped it" bit was so funny that I had to rewatch it later. And some stuff even seemed a little improvised to me (in a good way) which is always a good sign that the cast gets along very well. I especially like the fact that they developed Will´s character a little, so he isn´t just Daniel Jackson 2.0 and that they focus also on other characters than just Magnus. I love Will, Henry and Kate so I am glad they can get enough screentime.
Yep. But the charater I am really grateful to see more of is Bigfoot! :D I just love him to pieces right now. I like that he gets more screen time. ;D

hedwig
October 25th, 2010, 09:29 AM
i didn't get the 'twilight' reference, b/c 1- i haven't seen the movies :p, and 2- i have a LOT of trouble hearing dialog on this show (or) channel. so does my mom. it might be my tv... just very muffled sometimes. anyhoo, i couldn't hear what biggie said, and then after reading here, i still wouldn't have known. :p

In case you're interested (or not:D), Chris Heyerdahl played Marcus in the Twilight movies. Marcus is one of the very old vampires and is more or less the head of the house of vampires that "rules" other vampires. (It's been awhile since I read the books, so I could be a little off with this, but that's the gist of it.) Anyway, he plays a pretty important part in the movies.


helen's cleared, she's officially head of house, and wexford's got a spanking and doesn't get to play in the sanctuary sandbox anymore! :p

Methinks Wexford will be back to cause trouble down the road. :eek:


oh, did declan 'know' that this verdict was coming, and that's why helen called him a cheeky ba**ard?

For some reason, I had the impression that maybe Declan "talked" to the other heads of house and convinced them to vote for Helen.


the whitey abnormals were cool. :p but were they trying to erase will's memories, or ignite them b/c they were following gregory's request/orders?

I get the feeling they were up to no good, otherwise why incinerate themselves?

Galileo_Galilee
October 25th, 2010, 10:29 AM
Those abnormals were after the information in Will's memory that Helen's father gave him. It's unclear who they were sent by, but they pretty much committed suicide to prevent that knowledge from being obtained. There will be more people coming after that information to find that hidden city of Atlantis.

It's also funny how her father hides things by giving it to her as a present when she was a little girl.

jckfan55
October 25th, 2010, 01:47 PM
For some reason, I had the impression that maybe Declan "talked" to the other heads of house and convinced them to vote for Helen.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Declan led the pro-Magnus camp, but I also think Helen had Ravi & the Egyptian lady (can't think of her name) in her camp already. And then after Wexford showed his true colors it was probably an easy call. :)

I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to fire Wexford they way they did was Declan's idea.

Loved Helen's smile when she was restored. And I'm glad they didn't drag out the decision too long. But i don't think we've sseen the end of Terence.

majorsal
October 25th, 2010, 02:46 PM
So what does everyone think about Gregory Magnus being with the "gods"....dead, ascended or just another abnormal? Maybe Helen actually inherited an abnormality as well as having obtained one from the source blood??? Just a thought. :)

i've been wondering if the gregory we saw in 'warriors' was the real guy or a clone? so if it was a clone, maybe the real one's been up 'there' all along??? :S

majorsal
October 25th, 2010, 02:49 PM
It's also funny how her father hides things by giving it to her as a present when she was a little girl.

oh! i forgot about that...

so dad 'knew' about the city, or that he was going to end up there, or or or... sooo much to think about! :p

Skydiver
October 25th, 2010, 03:31 PM
the egyptian head is Pili

and yes, i have a feeling, after declan talked to magnus and she did her 'i'd rather drink coffee' he made a call and made sure the other hoh's knew exactly what wexford did. You'll notice that wexford carefully edited his reports to biggie and ravi and declan, not telling them the truth (as in that his firing of the missile set off the wave, not magnus trying to stop bertha)

whether or not declan led the 'save magnus' campaign, i think he made dang sure that they knew the whole story, not just terance's edited version.

BayGateScape
October 25th, 2010, 03:38 PM
omg! i loved this episode.

ending was the best.

LadyGalaxyJ
October 25th, 2010, 05:15 PM
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Declan led the pro-Magnus camp, but I also think Helen had Ravi & the Egyptian lady (can't think of her name) in her camp already. And then after Wexford showed his true colors it was probably an easy call. :)

I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to fire Wexford they way they did was Declan's idea.

Loved Helen's smile when she was restored. And I'm glad they didn't drag out the decision too long. But i don't think we've sseen the end of Terence.
I could have rewritten all that, but quoting is so much easier. I agree with the whole post. :D

And particularly with the bolded. I'm sure we'll see him again.

bossluna
October 25th, 2010, 06:28 PM
This eppy was great! I really enjoyed it.

One of the funniest parts was when Henry was fawning over the device they found and asked if maybe they were dealing with aliens not of this earth and there's this long pause and the boys look to Magnus until she says, "Don't be ridiculous!" and then Will chimes in with "Pffft. Alien mind probe.." and henry says "It could happen!" So funny! Even I was eagerly waiting to hear what she would say. :D

I think my favorite director shot was the 360 pan around magnus and Kate in the elevator. beautifully done Martin!

Kate and Magnus...loved it! Kate all into Magnus' bank accounts and Magnus having a sense of humor about it "no..only that it's all still accounted for.." lol

Magnus catching the baseball and namedropping "I believe Joe DiMaggio explained the game to me once...." classic Magnus!

Magnus and Will when she had to give him the pills "No more excuses"
Robin Dunne...great acting here. Very vulnerable when magnus said he was off the list.

Will, Henry and Biggie...looooveeeed it! "Hey Ace, it's just a slump."

Biggie doesn't do his annoying grunts anymore! Hallelujah! Twilight references! reading glasses! romance novel!

Favorite lines:

"I feel like I'm ten years old."
"Well, to me you are."

"I'll be here when you wake up. I promise."

"We'll find out what's going on Will. I promise."

"Bring in the Air Strike"

"Cheeky *******!"
"My work here is done."

I have to say I enjoyed seeing Pili (Egypt HOH) again. If anyone were worthy of taking over for Helen it would be her.

There's a lot more but I've got to start cooking dinner. :)

EvenstarSRV
October 25th, 2010, 06:43 PM
i hope they come up with something more orginal then Atlantis lol.. its been done to death :P

I hope it's not Atlantis either for the same reason. I wonder (spoilers for future S3 eps) if it has something to do with vampires, like a second city after Bharasalaam was destroyed, since one of the later episodes is supposed to have an appearance by a vampire Queen.



For some reason, I had the impression that maybe Declan "talked" to the other heads of house and convinced them to vote for Helen.


Yeah, I think Declan knew there were rumblings of discontent, saw that Helen wasn't going to deal with it herself, and so he probably told all the HOHs what really happened in Mumbai and called for the votes to kick out Wexford and fully reinstate Helen as head of the network.

atlantis_babe34
October 25th, 2010, 07:15 PM
i'm thinking maybe the city at the end it can't be something like atlantis or other famous places.. it has to many Earth things about it. I'm thinking from maybe the 1940'sto like mid 1800's.. maybe thats what For King and Country will tell us.. the clue for me was the wind powered Zepplin.. (well it looked like a zepplin) and they had them in both World Wars, plus the train.... can't wait to find out thats for sure :D

antigravity
October 25th, 2010, 09:20 PM
This eppy was great! I really enjoyed it.

One of the funniest parts was when Henry was fawning over the device they found and asked if maybe they were dealing with aliens not of this earth and there's this long pause and the boys look to Magnus until she says, "Don't be ridiculous!" and then Will chimes in with "Pffft. Alien mind probe.." and henry says "It could happen!" So funny! Even I was eagerly waiting to hear what she would say. :D

*snip*

for me too! it was too funny the way Henry leaned in..."do you think they're...not of this earth?". And then Will saying, "yeah, they're just abnormals".

i am so happy with this show. i hate to compare it to other shows, but suffice it to say that in the face of certain disappointments, i am all the more excited about the success this show is having. there may not be aliens or space travel, but they're carrying a sci-fi torch i'm happy to see burning bright!

the rest, in entirety:


I think my favorite director shot was the 360 pan around magnus and Kate in the elevator. beautifully done Martin!

Kate and Magnus...loved it! Kate all into Magnus' bank accounts and Magnus having a sense of humor about it "no..only that it's all still accounted for.." lol

Magnus catching the baseball and namedropping "I believe Joe DiMaggio explained the game to me once...." classic Magnus!

Magnus and Will when she had to give him the pills "No more excuses"
Robin Dunne...great acting here. Very vulnerable when magnus said he was off the list.

Will, Henry and Biggie...looooveeeed it! "Hey Ace, it's just a slump."

Biggie doesn't do his annoying grunts anymore! Hallelujah! Twilight references! reading glasses! romance novel!

Favorite lines:

"I feel like I'm ten years old."
"Well, to me you are."

"I'll be here when you wake up. I promise."

"We'll find out what's going on Will. I promise."

"Bring in the Air Strike"

"Cheeky *******!"
"My work here is done."

I have to say I enjoyed seeing Pili (Egypt HOH) again. If anyone were worthy of taking over for Helen it would be her.

There's a lot more but I've got to start cooking dinner. :)

awesome post/review. that's all i wanted to say :).

majorsal
October 25th, 2010, 09:27 PM
for me too! it was too funny the way Henry leaned in..."do you think they're...not of this earth?". And then Will saying, "yeah, they're just abnormals".

and it was also :p when wil looked over to helen first, to see what she had to say, like he suddenly was wondering if henry could be right! :p

it was just cute that he had to get helen's thoughts on this first. :p


i am so happy with this show. i hate to compare it to other shows, but suffice it to say that in the face of certain disappointments, i am all the more excited about the success this show is having. there may not be aliens or space travel, but they're carrying a sci-fi torch i'm happy to see burning bright!

hear, hear!! :D

(((sanctuary characters)))

^ we really need sanct smilies ^

Spimman
October 26th, 2010, 05:41 AM
Those abnormals were after the information in Will's memory that Helen's father gave him. It's unclear who they were sent by, but they pretty much committed suicide to prevent that knowledge from being obtained. There will be more people coming after that information to find that hidden city of Atlantis.

It's also funny how her father hides things by giving it to her as a present when she was a little girl.

I'm wondering if they are some kind of protectors of that city and wanted to prevent the knowledge in Will's head from getting out. While they were mean and fast, they didn't kill anyone and easily could have so I'm not convinced they have evil intentions. I really can't blame abnormals for wanting to keep their homes a secret from the world, even from the Sanctuary network because they know that it only takes one bad apple (like Wexford) and they could become the targets.

Skydiver
October 26th, 2010, 08:00 AM
well, going by the presumption that those two men abbies either set off a volcano to protect themselves or another abby, having a 'team' of creepies to sanitize anyone being there isn't too far of a stretch.

the easiest way to not be bugged is to not be known. and dealing with teh cabal would make any abbie afraid and prone to kick ass first, ask questions later

jckfan55
October 26th, 2010, 09:16 AM
the egyptian head is Pili.

thanks. I seem to have a mental block about her name. :o Which is odd, given that I really like her.

Matt G
October 26th, 2010, 04:02 PM
1. Can't really blame Will for thinking that he was losing it!

2. Nice one Declan but yeah, doubt we've seen the last of Wexford!

3. Didn't get the Twilight reference, my teenage niece is the Twilight fan, not me!

4. White abbies - doubt we've seen the last of them either.

5. City looked relatively modern - alternate reality?

Yep, the crew are back! :)

majorsal
October 26th, 2010, 04:11 PM
1. Can't really blame Will for thinking that he was losing it!

2. Nice one Declan but yeah, doubt we've seen the last of Wexford!

3. Didn't get the Twilight reference, my teenage niece is the Twilight fan, not me!

4. White abbies - doubt we've seen the last of them either.

5. City looked relatively modern - alternate reality?

Yep, the crew are back! :)

on bolded: ooh... we could end up seeing an evil helen then? :p

Skydiver
October 26th, 2010, 04:21 PM
not necessarily.

there are the, again atlantis rumors, that, through the powers of crystals, they could fly and had technology, likely on par with what we have today

then a cataclysm happened and they zipped back to the bronze age.

if you want to believe teh various atlantis stories, the few survivors assimilated into the existing populations and their knowledge eventually died out because, well what good does it do for you to be a computer engineer in a place where there are no computers?

there are existing theories that, thousands of years ago, humans were very advanced, or some of them were, but they fell to the 'savages' and all that knowledge was lost.

kinda reminiscent to the ending of BSG.

an advanced race crashes on a primitive planet and they stop being advanced and become simpler

chrono trigger
October 26th, 2010, 07:58 PM
another great episode from sanctuary this season is shaping up to be fantastic.

NZNeep
October 27th, 2010, 12:14 AM
on bolded: ooh... we could end up seeing an evil helen then? :p

Yup. We will know because she will have a goatee.

2Shy
October 27th, 2010, 06:07 AM
Haven't read the whole thread, so I probably end up repeating a lot of stuff here...'

Fantastic episode! True Kindler/Wood epicness :D
As many have mentioned the character interaction in this ep is great, the natural flow of dialogue and all the little oneliners fits perfectly with the dynamic of this group of characters. Tons of humor but still moments of emotions and depth. Plus some good ol monster hunting!

The first scene with the capturing the lizard and all the new toys was a lot of fun and it’s great to see the whole team working together like that. I do hope we get to see more of that as the season goes along.

I could tell this was a Wood directed episode by the very long and cool walk and talk early on, starting with Helen and Decland in the corridor outside the infirmary, continuing with Helen and Kate in the elevator and ending with Helen catching the baseball in Will’s room. All in one take! Would love to see how they did that, and how many takes it took to get it right.

Great scenes between Helen and Will. And it seems to me over all, they’re all more on the same level as Helen now. I’m not sure how to explain it, but I had the feeling it was more of a boss/employee relationship Helen had with her team in the earlier seasons. But now they seem to be more in it together.

Then as the ep when along there were more monster hunting, really cool new abnormals, very creepy and how they ended their own lives as they were captured put even more mystery to the puzzle, very intriguing.

And ending the episode on an epic note with the city was very very very cool. Can’t wait to get to dig deeper into that story arc.

Then there were all these little moment that just shows just how brilliant the writing of Sanctuary is: The big guys glasses, Kate finding all of Helen’s money, Henry geeking out over aliens, “I rather drink coffee” , “Cheeky Bas**** “ etc .

And one of my favorites:
Helen: Can you feel that?
Will: Your finger in my ear?
On the second view through I noticed she actually put her fingers in his ears! :lol:

Edit: And I noticed a new photo of Ashley on Helen's desk. Just so subtle, but it's there and I think it's great that they still pay tribute to that character.

MelissaAdams
October 27th, 2010, 07:45 AM
Hey folks,

I'm thinking of a fic idea and I need some insights cause I'm really not 100% sure since we didn't see the whole room. When Helen meets with Will, that whole baseball and hole in the wall thing, is that just a spare room where he's at or is that his office???

The more I watch it I'm leaning towards a spare office, there would have been a desk and such and I think Will's office is downstairs closer to the habitats for the patients but I could be wrong. What do you all think? It's hard to tell but then again it could work as either one.

Thanks for the help. :D

sanctuary girl
October 27th, 2010, 10:14 AM
Great episode:D

I really enjoyed the interaction between the characters in this episode. I seriously hope it stays like that throughout the whole season.
The scene between Magnus and Kate was simply awesome. The fact that Magnus was comfortable enough to make a joke, when Kate told her were her money is, showed me that Kate now fully belongs to the family.
Robins performance was outstanding. Did he sleep at all while shooting this episode or was he kept awake to look that convincingly tired? :p
There were great moments with every character. I simply can’t wait for the next episode.

Best moment: cheeky b****rd

EvenstarSRV
October 27th, 2010, 11:55 AM
I could tell this was a Wood directed episode by the very long and cool walk and talk early on, starting with Helen and Decland in the corridor outside the infirmary, continuing with Helen and Kate in the elevator and ending with Helen catching the baseball in Will’s room. All in one take! Would love to see how they did that, and how many takes it took to get it right.


I noticed that too on my second viewing! I love long takes like that, Children of Men has some amazing ones. It would be fun to see some of the filming of that on the DVDs, I can imagine poor AT missing the baseball and having to redo the whole scene.


Hey folks,

I'm thinking of a fic idea and I need some insights cause I'm really not 100% sure since we didn't see the whole room. When Helen meets with Will, that whole baseball and hole in the wall thing, is that just a spare room where he's at or is that his office???

The more I watch it I'm leaning towards a spare office, there would have been a desk and such and I think Will's office is downstairs closer to the habitats for the patients but I could be wrong. What do you all think? It's hard to tell but then again it could work as either one.

Thanks for the help. :D

It's Will's office, same one we saw in Veritas.

Krystal
October 27th, 2010, 01:10 PM
Love it, awesome episode. It was great to know a bit more about the other two people with Kali, and I'm really looking forward to know more about them and their powers. The abnormals story was awesome, they were very strange until I see their pants. ja,ja,ja... I don't know why but they loss their mistic, maybe long pants will have been better. :p But in total an awesome episode, great finale and looking forward to see Tesla back. And wonder is we will see a Wexford come back in some way. So far this season have been great.

majorsal
October 27th, 2010, 02:25 PM
yup. We will know because she will have a goatee.

:eek:

2Shy
October 27th, 2010, 10:51 PM
I noticed that too on my second viewing! I love long takes like that, Children of Men has some amazing ones. It would be fun to see some of the filming of that on the DVDs, I can imagine poor AT missing the baseball and having to redo the whole scene.

Yeah Children of Men had a few fantastic long shots, and not to mention Continuum ;)

As for the bolded part, I actually think her catching the baseball was CG. It looks that way to me anyway. Not that I doubt AT would be quite capable to catch a baseball, but having a ball flying so fast and hard near the lead actresses face, or as you mentioned risking having to redo the entire scene for a missed catch, may not be ideal. :P
So my bets are on a CG catch and then she's handed the actually ball right off camera when she puts the hand down below the frame.

jckfan55
October 28th, 2010, 01:35 AM
^yeah, I assumed vis effect or camera trick for the baseball too. Still, it looked good.

Chelle DB
October 28th, 2010, 02:05 AM
As for the bolded part, I actually think her catching the baseball was CG. It looks that way to me anyway. Not that I doubt AT would be quite capable to catch a baseball, but having a ball flying so fast and hard near the lead actresses face, or as you mentioned risking having to redo the entire scene for a missed catch, may not be ideal. :P
So my bets are on a CG catch and then she's handed the actually ball right off camera when she puts the hand down below the frame.

^yeah, I assumed vis effect or camera trick for the baseball too. Still, it looked good.
Oh...so glad I'm not the only one who had the same thought...maybe we could ask her at next weeks Tapping Tuesday...if we're lucky enough to have it answered. ;)

RealmOfX
October 28th, 2010, 02:13 AM
That ball trick actually isn't all that hard to do in real life, not sure they'd waste their CG budget on it.

Chelle DB
October 28th, 2010, 03:03 AM
That ball trick actually isn't all that hard to do in real life, not sure they'd waste their CG budget on it.
Well, you'll have to teach me how to do it :P...coz I seriously doubt I could catch that ball...wait...unless they sped up the film...I forgot about that. Oh. Hmm. Bugger. :P

RealmOfX
October 28th, 2010, 03:09 AM
Well, you'll have to teach me how to do it :P...coz I seriously doubt I could catch that ball...wait...unless they sped up the film...I forgot about that. Oh. Hmm. Bugger. :P

If you don't think you'll catch the ball, you won't :D
Anyone who plays ball sports well, should be able to do it. You just need to trust the person throwing it (and they are accurate, which isn't hard from close range).

rockstarsister
October 28th, 2010, 03:38 AM
I totally like died when I saw Robin pantless hehe that was the BEST ep ever this is what I posted on twitter



OMG OMG OMG Firewall was AMAZINGLY AMAZING I bow down to Anthem Visual Effects and eeeepp it was AWESOME

Skydiver
October 28th, 2010, 06:54 AM
if anyone wants it

the transcript for the episode. please do not report elsewhere without asking me

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Jonzey
October 28th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Best episode of Sanctuary so far. To be honest, while I enjoyed season 1 and 2, I felt the show was not living up to it's potential. With CGI backgrounds, I imagined the show taking it's characters to all kinds of exotic places, and yet a lot of episodes still took place in warehouses and so on. With last week's Kali temple and this week's revelation of the lost city, I feel like they're finally making good use of their technology (not that other locations have not looked impressive) Add to that what I thought was brilliant writing, and the fact that they seem to have more of a team dynamic and seem at ease with each other (loved the humour), I am very optimistic about this season.

jckfan55
October 28th, 2010, 10:31 AM
^yeah, for me it doesn't matter how good the effects are if I don't care about the characters. I definitely care about these characters.

Jonzey
October 28th, 2010, 10:43 AM
^yeah, for me it doesn't matter how good the effects are if I don't care about the characters. I definitely care about these characters.

Oh no, I agree. And I'm not saying the effects are bad (some do look a bit iffy, but I don't mind), but I've always been hoping to see more exotic places- lush rainforests, ancient mountaintop villages, stuff like that, where it would be expensive to actually film (with either travel or set building). That or more otherworldly places (like this new city) which would not exist in reality.

Skydiver
October 28th, 2010, 11:03 AM
sanctuary's effects aren't always perfect...that said, look at V's. the people there need to take lessons from the sanctuary crew because V's long distance stuff (halls and rooms) often lack the scale that makes them realistic looking

MidwifeOnBoard
October 28th, 2010, 04:02 PM
Loved this episode. I actually think it's one new viewers could watch with little to no background and fall in line pretty quickly. :)

Everyone else pretty much said what needed to be said. I laughed pretty hard throughout. :D




It's also funny how her father hides things by giving it to her as a present when she was a little girl.

26 & 34 = little girl :eek: Well, my 71 year old dad, does call AT "that girl from Stargate." :P


on bolded: ooh... we could end up seeing an evil helen then? :p

Oooh, YES! http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x125/MidwifeonBoard/emoticons/squee.gif





On the second view through I noticed she actually put her fingers in his ears! :lol:

Edit: And I noticed a new photo of Ashley on Helen's desk. Just so subtle, but it's there and I think it's great that they still pay tribute to that character.

Okay, now I have to rewatch for both of those things! :lol:

EvenstarSRV
October 28th, 2010, 05:20 PM
Yeah Children of Men had a few fantastic long shots, and not to mention Continuum ;)

As for the bolded part, I actually think her catching the baseball was CG. It looks that way to me anyway. Not that I doubt AT would be quite capable to catch a baseball, but having a ball flying so fast and hard near the lead actresses face, or as you mentioned risking having to redo the entire scene for a missed catch, may not be ideal. :P
So my bets are on a CG catch and then she's handed the actually ball right off camera when she puts the hand down below the frame.


That ball trick actually isn't all that hard to do in real life, not sure they'd waste their CG budget on it.

Huh, I thought at first that it might be CGI, but then I figured like Realm that it was a simple enough trick that they could do without a visual effect. It would be a fun question to ask AT. :)


Oh no, I agree. And I'm not saying the effects are bad (some do look a bit iffy, but I don't mind), but I've always been hoping to see more exotic places- lush rainforests, ancient mountaintop villages, stuff like that, where it would be expensive to actually film (with either travel or set building). That or more otherworldly places (like this new city) which would not exist in reality.

Yeah, I'm still hoping to see a lot of that too, though those kinds of places are probably still rather difficult and expensive for Anthem to build virtually. They could probably do a master of the place as a VFX then filmed the rest on a practical set.

MidwifeOnBoard
October 28th, 2010, 05:41 PM
Huh, I thought at first that it might be CGI, but then I figured like Realm that it was a simple enough trick that they could do without a visual effect. It would be a fun question to ask AT. :)



I asked a q about it last Tuesday, but it didn't get answered. Oh well. Maybe we can ask her at AT5. Though there'll probably be even better things to ask about by then. :D

MelissaAdams
October 28th, 2010, 07:09 PM
My opinion on the ball thing is that I suspect that Amanda actually caught it. Keep in mind she was still in the hallway when she caught it and if you look at her eyes, at least where I was viewing it seemed she was looking just a bit to the left so someone very likely threw it at her and perhaps just the sound of that hit into her hand was put in later instead of actually catching it.

The one thing that they've always said in the commentaries for episodes is that Amanda has pretty danged good hand/eye coordination, all those years on Stargate probably so I find it easy to believe she caught the baseball but it's something we probably won't hear until the DVD's.

Skydiver
October 28th, 2010, 07:26 PM
or maybe it can be a tweeted question that makes it

SnowWhite
October 29th, 2010, 02:44 PM
and yes, it's ALWAYS atlantis

although, you know, it's been found so many times there must have been dozens of them ;)
haha, you're right.. even though I doubt it's atlantis this time, especially with this particular cast ans crew ;)


i wonder...that city has a river running through it. hardly unique i know, most cities do, however....and this is likely beyond a long shot, what if it was new city/old city before whatever trashed half of it?

that was my first thought, too.. maybe not exactly Old/new City, but something connected to it.. because Old City looks as if it never had benn "new". But just because they are seeking for it, it could well be right in front of them.


26 & 34 = little girl :eek:

that makes me wonder when she built the Sanctuary Network, how long the two of them worked together and so on..

oh, and regarding the two guys beside Kali.. someone said they could work with air and eath.. my thought was similar, but i don't completely agree: I asked at the silly querstions thread why Kali only wears blue.. maybe it isn't that silly.. she's water.. you don't make an eathquake with air, but you can do it with fire.. I guess that woulde be the red-clad guy. that also explains the volcano.
The African guy is earth. Thay can all move tectonic plates but every one has his/her favorite.. does that make sense?

kinda OT.. only little more than 4h left XD

Skydiver
October 29th, 2010, 05:38 PM
brown for hte african guy - earth, red for the south american guy = fire, blue for kali - water

could also explain how come the two men worked together to do things, fire and earth likely have to cooperate to make earthquakes

however that could also mean that there is a 4th super powerful abbie out there, because according to amerindian creation myth, it's water, earth, fire, air as the four elements, if i'm remembering right

course, the one helen ran into in Pavor could be the air one

it vanished in the same way as those two did

Rose "Snapjinx" McKnight
November 7th, 2010, 10:54 AM
Well, wasn't this episode brilliant?

I was always kind of bored with Will, but having him all smart-mouthed and a bit more rough around the edges is making him an actually interesting character this season.

Thumbs up for a genuniely creepy (bad?) abnormal in this ep.

Also, loving the Henry/Kate relationship that's developing. Not necessarily romantically speaking. I just love the friendship they've formed.

Anyone else lol at Big Guy reading Nicholas Sparks? And if we already have a Twilight reference, can't wait to see how many vampire jokes come when Nikola shows up again. XD

Mousie
November 29th, 2010, 10:05 AM
I haven't had time to read everyones comment so apologise if I'm repeating but I wondered if this episode was a set up for the conclusion of the show, a way for them to end it. I think from previous comments they always had in mind that it wouldn't go on and on, that they were hopefull of 4/5 years or so.

I thought that the chaps with Kali and the 3D city will turn out to be like a place/society for abnormals, a place they can live together without threat from humans. Helen and the gang will spend the series/s looking for it and when they find it will face the choice of leaving the world as it is or leaving it for the humans and getting the abbys to safety.

Skydiver
November 29th, 2010, 10:07 AM
it's possible.

hedwig
December 26th, 2010, 03:26 PM
I've rewatched this episode a couple of times, and enjoy it every bit as much as the first time around. However, I find myself a little annoyed how Helen dismisses everyone's concerns about Will during the first 10 minutes or so of the episode. I'm sure she's just trying to protect him and all, but she has known for quite awhile that he's been having problems, and she still let him come along on the mission ... and then blamed him by saying "this could have been avoided". For me, yes, it could have been avoided - by her not letting him go on the mission in the first place. For me, it was really her fault that Declan got injured, and the rest of her group almost did. I would just like to see her stepping up and taking a little more responsibility for something like this going wrong, instead of attempting to dismiss it like she did. She tried to dismiss Declan's concerns. She did the same thing to Henry. She didn't even answer Kate, and just walked away from her instead of answering.

I do know that she does take responsibility for a lot of stuff, and she has a huge weight on her shoulders taking care of all sorts of things. But in this case, I feel she was quite wrong for letting Will go on the mission at all.

My other little grumble is how "easily" Wexford got off the hook for his actions. Yes, he got "fired". But he also murdered a civilian by blowing up Forsythe's ship and killing Forsythe. Sure, Forsythe was going to die anyway, but he wasn't already dead. So Wexford in effect murdered him. And got away with it. :confused:

RealmOfX
December 26th, 2010, 07:24 PM
I've rewatched this episode a couple of times, and enjoy it every bit as much as the first time around. However, I find myself a little annoyed how Helen dismisses everyone's concerns about Will during the first 10 minutes or so of the episode. I'm sure she's just trying to protect him and all, but she has known for quite awhile that he's been having problems, and she still let him come along on the mission ... and then blamed him by saying "this could have been avoided". For me, yes, it could have been avoided - by her not letting him go on the mission in the first place. For me, it was really her fault that Declan got injured, and the rest of her group almost did. I would just like to see her stepping up and taking a little more responsibility for something like this going wrong, instead of attempting to dismiss it like she did. She tried to dismiss Declan's concerns. She did the same thing to Henry. She didn't even answer Kate, and just walked away from her instead of answering.

I do know that she does take responsibility for a lot of stuff, and she has a huge weight on her shoulders taking care of all sorts of things. But in this case, I feel she was quite wrong for letting Will go on the mission at all.

My other little grumble is how "easily" Wexford got off the hook for his actions. Yes, he got "fired". But he also murdered a civilian by blowing up Forsythe's ship and killing Forsythe. Sure, Forsythe was going to die anyway, but he wasn't already dead. So Wexford in effect murdered him. And got away with it. :confused:

That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that Will is Helen's protege and he really needed to face up to the situation and either 1) do the job properly or 2) remove himself from duty until he could do the job properly. Helen gave him the opportunity to do the right thing and had lots of back up in case Will faltered. Will needed to hear that "this could have been avoided" line IMO. His job has a steep and harsh learning curve.

Skydiver
December 26th, 2010, 07:41 PM
I think Helen obviously knew Will was having issues. Everyone knew. Heck, Declan was in on the 'give the guy a break' cycle too.

I think it was a combo of Will playing the 'i'm fine' card. They knew that he wasn't, but were handling him with kid gloves (henry and biggie cutting him slack when they normally wouldn't have). I think they were also intimidated by him coming back from the dead. And I think they were willing to allow him time to deal with things...either handle it or realize that he wasn't...right up to the point of no return when they and he realized that his sleepless nights were messing things.

I think helen maybe also wasn't sure hot to handle him. How do you handle the resurrected? It was outside even her realm of knowledge and experience.

I think there is also the fact that you can't handle a person until they want to be handled. Will needed to realize that he needed help. It was like trying to help an addict before that addict admits that they are an addict...you can't help a smoker quit smoking until they want to quit smoking.

Thing is...Will knew, even just on the inside, that he needed help...but he was waiting for someone to make him take the help and they were waiting for him to ask for help...and they were both at a standstill waiting for the other to take a step.

hedwig
December 27th, 2010, 02:37 PM
While I understand all those reasons, I am still of the opinion that as the person in charge and the person responsible for the safety of her people (regardless of whether they admit they need help), I think she should have been the one to take that step and tell Will that unless he did something about his problem that she was going to have to take him off the mission list - before somebody else got hurt because of him. Otherwise, what's the point of being in charge?

Skydiver
December 27th, 2010, 06:03 PM
I can see helen falling and failing. I can also see her so distracted with Kali and the coup that she didn't pay as close of attention to will as she should have and then it all hit hte fan with giant salamander and hit her upside the head too with a 'd'oh, i haven't been doing my job, have i?'

RealmOfX
December 27th, 2010, 06:07 PM
I can see helen falling and failing. I can also see her so distracted with Kali and the coup that she didn't pay as close of attention to will as she should have and then it all hit hte fan with giant salamander and hit her upside the head too with a 'd'oh, i haven't been doing my job, have i?'

I don't, I see it as more as training Will to make the hard evaluations and decisions.

Skydiver
December 27th, 2010, 06:13 PM
either, both

like henry said 'you came back from the dead, that's pretty far out there, even for here'

jckfan55
December 28th, 2010, 11:19 AM
While I understand all those reasons, I am still of the opinion that as the person in charge and the person responsible for the safety of her people (regardless of whether they admit they need help), I think she should have been the one to take that step and tell Will that unless he did something about his problem that she was going to have to take him off the mission list - before somebody else got hurt because of him. Otherwise, what's the point of being in charge?
I see your point, but I'm not sure that I agree. Guess I need to watch the ep again. A tough job, but somebody has to do it! :D :D

fems
September 17th, 2011, 09:08 AM
I was just wondering, now that season 3 is finished, if anyone recalls the Magnus Slinger making a comeback, being referred to or renamed?

Pym
February 13th, 2012, 04:44 PM
Wow Amazing episode . Love the 3 d city . Growing to like Will