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erotavlas
October 14th, 2010, 04:13 PM
I don't get it. He has controlled the FTL jump in the previous episode, making the ship stop prematurely. Why could Rush not have stopped the FTL from activating this time, or is that another function completely?

I wish they would explain a bit better how much control Rush actually has because from my perspective considering what he did last time, it seems that preventing the FTL from activating would not be beyond his capabilities at this point... meaning they could have stuck around to re-dock, and try again the power transfer.

Chrisb319
October 14th, 2010, 04:25 PM
Rush wasn't exactly cool with Telford trying to restore the power transfer between ship. He probably could have stopped the ship from jumping but chose not to. Who is to say that Rush did not set the FTL timer this time around.

morbosfist
October 14th, 2010, 04:48 PM
Rush could have stopped the ship, but that would look even more suspicious. He's already vanishing at random. Plus, he'd have to redock the two ships to get Telford back, and that would just give the aliens an opportunity to do even more damage.

To answer to thread question. Rush has full control over the ship. He can stop it whenever he wants and make it go whenever he wants. He can't control the length of the FTL countdown just yet, but he can shut it off.

blueray
October 14th, 2010, 04:55 PM
To answer to thread question. Rush has full control over the ship. He can stop it whenever he wants and make it go whenever he wants. He can't control the length of the FTL countdown just yet, but he can shut it off.

^this. though i didn't realize that he could steer the ship.

morbosfist
October 14th, 2010, 05:06 PM
^this. though i didn't realize that he could steer the ship.He made it stop within shuttle range of the planet where Riley died. This implies an ability to tell Destiny both where and when he wants it to stop. He simply leaves the autopilot on most of the time, and the point is brought up that the first thing he did was to turn the autopilot back on after gaining access to the bridge.

Kaiphantom
October 14th, 2010, 05:12 PM
No, he doesn't have full control of the ship. He can't, for instance, control how long the ship stops after exiting FTL. So far, it seems he can drop it out of FTL, and take it off auto-pilot so as to plot a different course, but he wasn't too sure of his ability to adequately control the ship, so he turned the auto-pilot back on.

Rush wasn't aware of what Telford was doing, and there was no guarantee it would have worked. Young himself was pushing Eli to separate the ships, and didn't want Telford to stay behind, but the man did fully realizing he was risking himself by doing so.

Telford failed his own gamble, and even Gloria realizes that Rush saved the crew by doing what he did; she only questioned his exact motivation.

So no, Rush couldn't have stopped the ship from entering FTL and leaving Telford behind. He separated the ship, and from then, Destiny took over and jumped on its own.

morbosfist
October 14th, 2010, 05:14 PM
So no, Rush couldn't have stopped the ship from entering FTL and leaving Telford behind. He separated the ship, and from then, Destiny took over and jumped on its own.This is debatable. Rush could shut off the autopilot and the ship wouldn't go anywhere. He knows how. He'd get caught if he did it, though. It also wouldn't help Telford since they have no way to get back to the other ship without redocking, and that would just threaten Destiny again.

Kaiphantom
October 14th, 2010, 05:18 PM
This is debatable. Rush could shut off the autopilot and the ship wouldn't go anywhere. He knows how. He'd get caught if he did it, though.

I'll acknowledge that as a debatable point. We don't know for sure. But Rush did feel uncomfortable about taking the auto-pilot off until he could fully understand more about how Destiny works, jumping in and out of FTL. We already know one small factoid: that not staying in FTL for a minimum of 4 hours can cause permanent damage to the drives. It's possible there is a reason Destiny has to initiate a jump when it does, for similar reasons.

morbosfist
October 14th, 2010, 05:29 PM
I'll acknowledge that as a debatable point. We don't know for sure. But Rush did feel uncomfortable about taking the auto-pilot off until he could fully understand more about how Destiny works, jumping in and out of FTL. We already know one small factoid: that not staying in FTL for a minimum of 4 hours can cause permanent damage to the drives. It's possible there is a reason Destiny has to initiate a jump when it does, for similar reasons.We know it can remain inactive for for nearly a month ("Sabotage"), so it's unlikely that it needs to keep moving constantly.

Rush was uncomfortable with taking the autopilot off because he didn't trust himself to plot a proper course. Can't blame him really. One wrong move and he could crash the ship into a star or something equally horrible.

Kaiphantom
October 14th, 2010, 05:57 PM
We know it can remain inactive for for nearly a month ("Sabotage"), so it's unlikely that it needs to keep moving constantly.

Yes, with no countdown clock. And there has to be a reason Destiny shows a countdown clock. Perhaps it's a way of telling you how long the engines need to cooldown and then warm up again, and if you don't jump when the clock hits 0, then damage could incur. At any rate, Destiny had no clock when it docked with the ship, but it's implied one started up after it separated (Young told Telford they were going to jump soon). So, would you feel comfortable stopping Dstiny from jumping when the clock hits 0 without understanding the exact reasons why it does, and knowing that engine damage is among the possible outcomes (which could leave you stranded in space)?


Rush was uncomfortable with taking the autopilot off because he didn't trust himself to plot a proper course. Can't blame him really. One wrong move and he could crash the ship into a star or something equally horrible.

And yes, this is another possible outcome. Perhaps, that is part of how Destiny plots the course, and another reason for the countdown clock. Perhaps Destiny charts a straight line course that will take it through planets and stars and other matter (remember, all this stuff has been mapped out by seeder ships). Let's say the countdown clock reads 7 hours. So that means that, in 7 hours, all possible obstacles (planets, stars, dangerous gas clouds, etc.) will be out of the way. If you jump too late or too early, the star or the planet will be in the way. There does appear to be material flying around past the ship as it goes FTL, such that it looks like small dust and stuff is kinda pushed out of the way by the FTL mechanism.

Essentially, if Rush had stopped or delayed the ship, it could have ended up flying straight into something dangerous.

These are all debatable points, like the one you brought up. Just pointing out that the possible answer isn't so cut-and-dried. I assume we'll find out eventually why Destiny has a clock.

morbosfist
October 14th, 2010, 06:01 PM
Agreed, the rather arbitrary limits Destiny sets must have some underlying logic to them.

Trinary
October 14th, 2010, 06:44 PM
Gloria mentioned Rush has the absolute control of the Destiny. But the selfish act by Rush has caused losing the team members one after another. Rush is not a navigator. So his greed to have complete control over the Destiny serve no purposes.

Nothing admirable about his actions. He is an enemy to everyone safety aboard of the Destiny.

morbosfist
October 14th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Gloria mentioned Rush has the absolute control of the Destiny. But the selfish act by Rush has caused losing the team members one after another. Rush is not a navigator. So his greed to have complete control over the Destiny serve no purposes.

Nothing admirable about his actions. He is an enemy to everyone safety aboard of the Destiny.As opposed to starvation? If it weren't for him, they wouldn't have food to last the journey. Besides, Destiny is doing the navigating, not Rush. Rush is just stopping at various points along the way. So far two people have died successfully, not a good record I'll admit, but they died in situations not entirely within Rush's control.

Rise Of The Phoenix
October 14th, 2010, 08:05 PM
Putting my reply in spoilers just in case:
Rush does have full control of the ship, he's got access to the bridge!

GLORIA: You found the keys to controlling all of Destiny's systems -- everything. And you're not gonna tell anyone, are you?
This proves that much.

I believe he is limited by certain things he doesn't understand and the fact that Destiny was designed to be operated by a crew as Rush pointed out here:

RUSH: This ship -- its systems were designed to be run by an entire crew.
Destiny has to have it's FTL drives active for a minimum of 4 hours once they've been turned on, otherwise that would damage them:

RUSH: Exactly. We can't just keep dropping in and out of F.T.L. I'm gonna damage the drives permanently. They have to run for a minimum of four hours each time they're activated which means, next time I drop out, I've got one last shot at this.
I think the reason he hasn't just started flying the ship wherever he wants in any manner he wants to and leave the clock off when the ship comes out of FTL is because people would become suspicious as Young appears (at least to me) to be.
He also mentioned this in Aftermath:

RUSH: Until I can be sure I know how to use each function. Wouldn't want to stop accidentally in range of another binary pulsar, would I?
That may also apply to things like black holes or any number of unknown phenomana.

Kaiphantom
October 14th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Gloria mentioned Rush has the absolute control of the Destiny. But the selfish act by Rush has caused losing the team members one after another. Rush is not a navigator. So his greed to have complete control over the Destiny serve no purposes.

Nothing admirable about his actions. He is an enemy to everyone safety aboard of the Destiny.

He has the keys to controlling the systems, but that is different from actually being able to control them. There is still a lot he doesn't understand. Even if he can do something, he's not sure whether it would be a good idea, or whether it would damage something. For instance, he can't control how long the ship stays in normal space before a jump to FTL.

And yeah, given the choice between starvation and taking a chance at a planet with possible food, you would take the risk. Which would make you as bad as you think he is, apparently.

Last note: Only one person has died, due to bad luck. Telford is stranded due to his own fault.

Trinary
October 14th, 2010, 09:46 PM
If the others know they had Bridge control with the long range sensor, one way or another they will decide to stop at that planet. Not because of Rush effort locating the planet. All in the long range sensor including detecting the seeder ship which the control room lack off.

With bunch of them to analyze the super rotation of the planet, perhaps the math boy could calculate the safest entry to that match the planetary rotation without wasting the shuttle energy to the shield to compensate it. There is a big chances the shuttle could still have enough power to land safely and able to return to Destiny. No crash and no injury to the passengers.

Also possibility to clear the debris on stargate site by shooting it using main weapon from the orbit.

More people reading the data from the bridge would avoid those unnecessary incident.

So easy to blame Telford trying to restore power from the seeder ship end without knowing the Destiny has capability to dis-engage from docking. Otherwise, those decision wouldn't be taken.

As I said, Rush is a terrorist.

Kenton-Atlantis
October 14th, 2010, 09:53 PM
LOL Rush has more Control then I thought ! He is the one choosing which planets are ok to jump outta FTL and Investigate !

pipi
October 14th, 2010, 09:55 PM
Something more interesting would be whether Rush and his bridge secret is caught out or he reveals it on his own due to various circumstances. So many variables. Another civilian takeover or Eli's spy kino.

morbosfist
October 14th, 2010, 10:03 PM
If the others know they had Bridge control with the long range sensor, one way or another they will decide to stop at that planet. Not because of Rush effort locating the planet. All in the long range sensor including detecting the seeder ship which the control room lack off.The control room has access to the same data as Rush does on the bridge. The only difference is he has an imaginary friend checking his results and Rush knows where to look from the start.


With bunch of them to analyze the super rotation of the planet, perhaps the math boy could calculate the safest entry to that match the planetary rotation without wasting the shuttle energy to the shield to compensate it. There is a big chances the shuttle could still have enough power to land safely and able to return to Destiny. No crash and no injury to the passengers.This seems to misrepresent what happened. They didn't run out of power. The ship just died. That's not a lack of power, that's internal damage which would not have been mitigated by a different approach vector. Scott knew what was coming and the computer on the shuttle is capable of plotting a course on its own.


Also possibility to clear the debris on stargate site by shooting it using main weapon from the orbit.Which would blow up the gate. There's a big difference between C4 and an energy cannon designed to punch holes in armored spacecraft.


More people reading the data from the bridge would avoid those unnecessary incident.They could have read the data from the control room.


So easy to blame Telford trying to restore power from the seeder ship end without knowing the Destiny has capability to dis-engage from docking. Otherwise, those decision wouldn't be taken.And if Telford had come back, Rush would have enacted the same solution at the behest of Young. Telford chose to stay and try to fix the problem, and Rush acted to save the ship.


As I said, Rush is a terrorist.This is just wrong on so many levels I hardly know where to begin.

mi_guard
October 15th, 2010, 01:52 AM
As I said, Rush is a terrorist.

I think you should check out the meaning of the word 'terrorist'. :)

Phenom
October 15th, 2010, 02:18 AM
As I said, Rush is a terrorist.

He must be the worlds only Scottish terrorist I would think.

jelgate
October 15th, 2010, 05:08 AM
I would say since he can access the bridge Rush has complete control of the ship, Now having that control and knowing how use it are two separate things

Rise Of The Phoenix
October 15th, 2010, 12:14 PM
He has the keys to controlling the systems, but that is different from actually being able to control them. There is still a lot he doesn't understand. Even if he can do something, he's not sure whether it would be a good idea, or whether it would damage something. For instance, he can't control how long the ship stays in normal space before a jump to FTL.

And yeah, given the choice between starvation and taking a chance at a planet with possible food, you would take the risk. Which would make you as bad as you think he is, apparently.

Last note: Only one person has died, due to bad luck. Telford is stranded due to his own fault.
Not sure if you looked at my post, I guess there wasn't any need to put it in spoilers.
Anyway, with regards to the part of your post that I've highlighted, that isn't quite right, Rush can't just stop the ship whenever he wants if it's traveling in FTL, not if the ships been using FTL for less than 4 hours.
Rush doesn't have to wait to enter FTL, he could do it whenever he likes, he could jump out of FTL whenever he wants, but to do so before the ship's been in FTL for 4 hours or more would damage the drives, this is from the transcript of the episode Aftermath:

RUSH: Exactly. We can't just keep dropping in and out of F.T.L. I'm gonna damage the drives permanently. They have to run for a minimum of four hours each time they're activated which means, next time I drop out, I've got one last shot at this.
Also it would be a major mistake on the Ancient's part to design and build a ship that's intended to travel for a long time, if it can't get away from danger when it needs to.

Kaiphantom
October 15th, 2010, 12:30 PM
Not sure if you looked at my post, I guess there wasn't any need to put it in spoilers.
Anyway, with regards to the part of your post that I've highlighted, that isn't quite right, Rush can't just stop the ship whenever he wants if it's traveling in FTL, not if the ships been using FTL for less than 4 hours.

After the shuttle crash, Rush brought the ship out of FTL after it had been traveling for less than 3 hours. So he risked damage to the ship to save Scott and his team. But he very deliberately said he couldn't control the countdown clock, to stop the ship from jumping. In a way, he could if he took the auto-pilot off, but knowing that it's possible, and knowing enough about the systems to do it safely is another thing. Rush wasn't comfortable about fully controlling the ship.


Also it would be a major mistake on the Ancient's part to design and build a ship that's intended to travel for a long time, if it can't get away from danger when it needs to.

Maybe, but it has survived at least hundreds of thousands of years so far. It looks like whatever form of FTL Destiny uses means the ship can't be tracked, so once it jumps back to normal space, any enemies have less than a day to find it and execute some action on it which entails getting past the shields, before it jumps out again.

morbosfist
October 15th, 2010, 12:45 PM
After the shuttle crash, Rush brought the ship out of FTL after it had been traveling for less than 3 hours. So he risked damage to the ship to save Scott and his team. But he very deliberately said he couldn't control the countdown clock, to stop the ship from jumping. In a way, he could if he took the auto-pilot off, but knowing that it's possible, and knowing enough about the systems to do it safely is another thing. Rush wasn't comfortable about fully controlling the ship.Wait a tic, when was this said? The countdown clock was set to three hours when they dropped out, but Rush presumably waited the full four before stopping.

younger
October 15th, 2010, 01:47 PM
Teford will return in early 2011...

blueray
October 15th, 2010, 02:57 PM
I would say since he can access the bridge Rush has complete control of the ship, Now having that control and knowing how use it are two separate things

that is true. though i imagine rush is learning how to control it fast (or at least trying to ;) ).

Rise Of The Phoenix
October 15th, 2010, 07:09 PM
After the shuttle crash, Rush brought the ship out of FTL after it had been traveling for less than 3 hours. So he risked damage to the ship to save Scott and his team. But he very deliberately said he couldn't control the countdown clock, to stop the ship from jumping. In a way, he could if he took the auto-pilot off, but knowing that it's possible, and knowing enough about the systems to do it safely is another thing. Rush wasn't comfortable about fully controlling the ship.
You just proved my point for me.
Rush chose when to drop back into normal space.
I never said he didn't have to learn more, by having access to the Bridge he has full access to every system still working on the ship.

Maybe, but it has survived at least hundreds of thousands of years so far. It looks like whatever form of FTL Destiny uses means the ship can't be tracked, so once it jumps back to normal space, any enemies have less than a day to find it and execute some action on it which entails getting past the shields, before it jumps out again.
It's already been stated in I believe the episode Space that Destiny uses it's FTL for defensive purposes, it's never been said that it needs to wait before jumping, that was my point.
No one on the show has said anything bad would happen to the ship if it was standing still, in the dead of space that it would harm the ship.
Getting past Destiny's shields isn't impossible, the Blue Aliens proved that's possible since if Destiny hadn't been able to jump away when it did the shields would have been completely depleted.

smart
October 15th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Yes, however as it was suggested through Gloria, Rush seems to posses a greater desire to explore the vast reaches of the universe then go home. As a result, he took advantage of the opportunity to disconnect the two ships so that there was no way for an excess in power to be used for dialling the gate to Earth.

morbosfist
October 15th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Yes, however as it was suggested through Gloria, Rush seems to posses a greater desire to explore the vast reaches of the universe then go home. As a result, he took advantage of the opportunity to disconnect the two ships so that there was no way for an excess in power to be used for dialling the gate to Earth.He could have done that from the start if he wanted. He did it because the ship was about to be left dead in space.

garhkal
October 16th, 2010, 02:46 AM
I disagree he could have disconnected while he was on the other ship.. and as soon as he came to the destiny, he went to the bridge.

Kaiphantom
October 16th, 2010, 08:55 AM
Wait a tic, when was this said? The countdown clock was set to three hours when they dropped out, but Rush presumably waited the full four before stopping.

Rush said the ship had to be traveling in FTL for at least 4 hours or there could be permanent damage to the drives. After the ship dropped out of normal space, I think it was Brody who said something like "That was quick; we had only been in FTL for less than 3 hours" so Rush had deliberately brought the ship out early in order to dial back to the planet with the shuttle crash. Given his own statements earlier, he risked damage to his own precious ship to give the shuttle crash people a chance.


You just proved my point for me.
Rush chose when to drop back into normal space.
I never said he didn't have to learn more, by having access to the Bridge he has full access to every system still working on the ship.

You're confusing two things. Yes, Rush can bring the ship out of FTL, but he can't control how long it stays in normal space, ie, the countdown clock. And while he may technically have control, he is not comfortable exercising that control unless he really needs to, because he doesn't understand how everything works together, or what side effects there could be.


It's already been stated in I believe the episode Space that Destiny uses it's FTL for defensive purposes, it's never been said that it needs to wait before jumping, that was my point.
No one on the show has said anything bad would happen to the ship if it was standing still, in the dead of space that it would harm the ship.
Getting past Destiny's shields isn't impossible, the Blue Aliens proved that's possible since if Destiny hadn't been able to jump away when it did the shields would have been completely depleted.

No, Space was a combination of factors. The only reason the aliens found Destiny so quick, was because of the tracking devices. And the ship only jumped once the clock hit 0, not before, so there is no evidence of a link between defensive FTL jumping and attacks. It's important to note that before the humans came aboard, Destiny had more power available to devote to shields, and also early on, the ship was in better shape which probably amounted to stronger shields. It's only now that the aliens are finally getting close to breaking through Destiny's shields. But if we continue to repair the ship so that not as much power is drawn keeping those atmospheric shields up, we can probably increase Destiny's shields back to closer to their maximum.

morbosfist
October 16th, 2010, 10:07 AM
Rush said the ship had to be traveling in FTL for at least 4 hours or there could be permanent damage to the drives. After the ship dropped out of normal space, I think it was Brody who said something like "That was quick; we had only been in FTL for less than 3 hours" so Rush had deliberately brought the ship out early in order to dial back to the planet with the shuttle crash. Given his own statements earlier, he risked damage to his own precious ship to give the shuttle crash people a chance.His exact line is: "It's less than three hours. The address of the planet came up but it's still locked out. The strange thing is that there are no other planets in range -- nothing." He's referring to the timer. From Rush's earlier statements, he wouldn't have dropped the ship out any earlier. He does, they may not ever be able to get the ship moving (or out of the current galaxy at least).

Kaiphantom
October 16th, 2010, 10:23 AM
His exact line is: "It's less than three hours. The address of the planet came up but it's still locked out. The strange thing is that there are no other planets in range -- nothing." He's referring to the timer. From Rush's earlier statements, he wouldn't have dropped the ship out any earlier. He does, they may not ever be able to get the ship moving (or out of the current galaxy at least).

Yeah, but he said that right after they dropped out of FTL. So they had been in FTL for less than three hours. A larger portion of the transcript:

(Before they can continue, the ship's engine note rises and a moment later a shimmer envelops them. Destiny has come out of F.T.L. Young walks to his desk to get his radio and activates it as he heads off down the corridor.)

YOUNG (into radio): Rush, this is Young. Where are you?

(Telford follows him and they go to the Control Interface Room. Brody is alone in there.)

BRODY: It's less than three hours. The address of the planet came up but it's still locked out. The strange thing is that there are no other planets in range -- nothing.

I have trouble finding evidence that they were in FTL for 4 hours. If you have some, feel free to share. But I tend to take Brody at face value that it's been les than 3 hours in FTL. Any other reading of that requires great twisting, and I don't tend to do that unless there is fairly good evidence to back it up.

morbosfist
October 16th, 2010, 10:40 AM
There is evidence, though admittedly hard to spot. When Brody is talking, you can see the countdown clock in the background.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6664/awakenclock.jpg

For reference.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ancient_alpahabet.png

It reads: 02:58:47:67. Hours, minutes, seconds, milliseconds. Brody's comment has to be referring to the clock, or that's a hell of a coincidence. Admittedly, they could have been in FTL for less than four hours, too. I can't disprove that.

Kaiphantom
October 16th, 2010, 11:05 AM
There is evidence, though admittedly hard to spot. When Brody is talking, you can see the countdown clock in the background.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6664/awakenclock.jpg

For reference.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ancient_alpahabet.png

It reads: 02:58:47:67. Hours, minutes, seconds, milliseconds. Brody's comment has to be referring to the clock, or that's a hell of a coincidence. Admittedly, they could have been in FTL for less than four hours, too. I can't disprove that.

Interesting, that's a good point. It does make me wish Brody hadn't been so vague and misleading. Although it's a bit hard for me to tell if the hour is a 2 or a 1, but that's about the only nitpick I can find. Still, that's enough evidence to pass my "makes sense" threshold. You're right it doesn't disprove how long they were in FTL, but I'm willing to buy that they were in FTL for at least 4 hours.

Heh, on another note, didn't realize someone had translated the ancient writing and numbering system.

tomstone
October 16th, 2010, 11:50 AM
Rush does have full control over the ship. However, he stated that the Destiny needs a Crew on the Bridge in order to be controlled properly. So he maybe just lacking the ability to be on all consoles at once.

Janus
October 16th, 2010, 11:57 AM
Rush does have full control over the ship. However, he stated that the Destiny needs a Crew on the Bridge in order to be controlled properly. So he maybe just lacking the ability to be on all consoles at once.

Indeed, like you can fly a Tardis alone, but it is not smart thing to do <G>

Kaiphantom
October 16th, 2010, 12:14 PM
Yeah, technically speaking, he can control everything from the bridge, but is held back by two things:

1. He doesn't understand everything (as evidenced as to him saying he can't control how long Destiny stops)

2. It requires a trained crew to fully control everything

So he leaves it on auto-pilot. Ironically, that's a good reason for telling everyone else about the bridge, so they can train a crew.

pipi
October 16th, 2010, 08:17 PM
2. It requires a trained crew to fully control everything

So he leaves it on auto-pilot. Ironically, that's a good reason for telling everyone else about the bridge, so they can train a crew.
If and when this happens, please don't let Chloe become part of that crew or else we can't bag her anymore. :)

garhkal
October 16th, 2010, 09:42 PM
We really need someone to be like checkov or sulu.

morbosfist
October 16th, 2010, 09:58 PM
We really need someone to be like checkov or sulu.Wessels!

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 17th, 2010, 10:23 AM
Wessels!

:lol:

garhkal
October 19th, 2010, 03:19 AM
Get it right.. Its nukelar wessles!

daedalus91
October 19th, 2010, 02:00 PM
Rush has complete control of Destiny. It says this numerous time, he can do whatever he wishes.

morbosfist
October 19th, 2010, 02:01 PM
He has control in theory. In practice, he still needs time to learn how to operate the ship before he can do the more complex operations.

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 19th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Rush has complete control of Destiny. It says this numerous time, he can do whatever he wishes.

well, what Rush tells others he can do and what Rush can actually do may not always be the same thing :)

morbosfist
October 19th, 2010, 03:25 PM
Why would Rush lie to himself?

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 20th, 2010, 11:28 AM
Why would Rush lie to himself?

because it's easier than accepting the responsibility?
why do any of us lie to ourselves?

Artemis-Neith
October 20th, 2010, 11:51 AM
1)

Rush has complete control of Destiny. It says this numerous time, he can do whatever he wishes.

2)

He has control in theory. In practice, he still needs time to learn how to operate the ship before he can do the more complex operations.

3)

well, what Rush tells others he can do and what Rush can actually do may not always be the same thing :)

4)

Why would Rush lie to himself?

5)

because it's easier than accepting the responsibility?
why do any of us lie to ourselves?

He's control over Destiny only theoretical (like daedalus91 stated 1), de facto he don't know how to use this control in reality, cos he don't know enough about Destiny's systems and it's proper use (morbosfist answer to that 2).

Rush knows, and admits that he don't know how to use the controls, cos he didn't tell anyone about the bridge, so how can he lie about that? (xxxevilgrinxxx's 3). Therefore Rush don't have to lie to himself (morbosfist's 4), at least not in this case. So, what's the point with 5? General statement about Rush?

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 20th, 2010, 02:01 PM
So, what's the point with 5? General statement about Rush?on my part, a general statement about everybody, which would include Rush :)
I've yet to see the ep, so all my conversation points are in general and in general, people lie to themselves because it's easier than dealing with the truth, easier than dealing with the responsibility, easier than accepting the blame, easier than dealing with a lot of things. Do I think Rush is lying to himself? Yes.

Artemis-Neith
October 20th, 2010, 02:07 PM
on my part, a general statement about everybody, which would include Rush :)
I've yet to see the ep, so all my conversation points are in general and in general, people lie to themselves because it's easier than dealing with the truth, easier than dealing with the responsibility, easier than accepting the blame, easier than dealing with a lot of things. Do I think Rush is lying to himself? Yes.

You haven't seen "Aftermath" yet? Are you sure?

Ok, general statement, had nothing to do in particular with "Awakening", and the conversation between daedalus91 and morbosfist. And, I thought I've missed something.

Ashman
October 20th, 2010, 03:06 PM
After Last nite episode, he can cut the FTL, the move the ship, no weapons, other than what they had. Why does Destiney need a crew for?

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 20th, 2010, 03:20 PM
You haven't seen "Aftermath" yet? Are you sure?

Ok, general statement, had nothing to do in particular with "Awakening", and the conversation between daedalus91 and morbosfist. And, I thought I've missed something.

well, we;re here in the Awakenings thread, Aftermath is a whole other folder, so any discussions on the matter I'd put there :) As for this particular ep, I don't see it until Friday, so I reserve judgment and fall back on the general statement made - which I took to be talking about Awakenings, given where we are :D

Artemis-Neith
October 21st, 2010, 12:17 AM
well, we;re here in the Awakenings thread, Aftermath is a whole other folder, so any discussions on the matter I'd put there :) As for this particular ep, I don't see it until Friday, so I reserve judgment and fall back on the general statement made - which I took to be talking about Awakenings, given where we are :D

Now the confusion is completed! :) I wanted to write "Awakening", as I did in the second paragraph, sorry, my bad.

And, I wasn't talking of "Pathogen", but of Rush's talking to Gloria, where he says, that he don't know exactly how to use the controls, so, that he rather use the autopilot again, than to destroy the ship (I think he said that already in "Aftermath").

Anyway, it's not wrong that Rush lies to himself, and others all the time, but not in this special case.

garhkal
October 21st, 2010, 03:02 AM
After Last nite episode, he can cut the FTL, the move the ship, no weapons, other than what they had. Why does Destiney need a crew for?

He does seem to be getting more capable of operating the ship.