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KEK
October 13th, 2010, 12:19 PM
In a recent interview Robert Carlyle said that Simeon will do something so bad, that Rush will comlpetely forget about the mission, the Destiny and everything else in order to kill him. After his little exchange with TJ, the way he almost forced himself on her and she made a mug of him, I'm think a rape may be on the way :S

This is the interview, quite spoilery:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=148-XkDKIKs

morbosfist
October 13th, 2010, 12:22 PM
I honestly have a hard time believing it to be that in particular, but it must be something pretty bad to get such a reaction out of Rush.

mi_guard
October 13th, 2010, 12:30 PM
In a recent interview Robert Carlyle said that Simeon will do something so bad, that Rush will comlpetely forget about the mission, the Destiny and everything else in order to kill him. After his little exchange with TJ, the way he almost forced himself on her and she made a mug of him, I'm think a rape may be on the way :S

This is the interview, quite spoilery:

=youtube;148-XkDKIKs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=148-XkDKIKs

Frankly speaking, this was exactly my the first thought when I heard the description RC made of this episode (that Rush would go mad on Simeon, etc). This option seems to be much more possilbe than that Simeon would kill somebody.

And taking into account what Jenifer Spence said with reference to Lisa Park and the episode Malice, I am wondering even more "One [episode] that was especially exciting to shoot was 'Malice' because we traveled to New Mexico and it put Park in an extremely challenging situation which then changed her perspective about Rush."
Wondering if this has something to do with what Rush will do to Simeon.

Mr. Jack
October 13th, 2010, 12:30 PM
He seemed like such a nice guy, too.

coZma
October 13th, 2010, 01:51 PM
What if he kills that ftl specialist that seemed to have a crush on rush? I don't think there is anyone else for whom Rush would risk the mission or Destiny except Gloria and she's dead

KEK
October 13th, 2010, 01:56 PM
Before seeing this interview, my previous theory was that he might kill Ginn to stop her passing along certain information. There's quite a lot of 'orrible **** he could get up to when you think about it :lol:

Shai Hulud
October 13th, 2010, 02:02 PM
What if he kills that ftl specialist that seemed to have a crush on rush? I don't think there is anyone else for whom Rush would risk the mission or Destiny except Gloria and she's dead

Okay so Dr Parks gets stoned back to Earth for Little Miss Brilliant?

hedwig
October 13th, 2010, 02:06 PM
In regards to a reason for Rush to kill anyone (Simeon, in particular), I honestly don't think he'd go that far if Simeon attacked any of the crew, even any of the women. However, if he managed to find out what Rush was doing behind everybody's backs or somehow caused damage to the Destiny ... now I could see Rush killing Simeon over that.

mi_guard
October 13th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Okay so Dr Parks gets stoned back to Earth for Little Miss Brilliant?

Good guess I would say.

mi_guard
October 13th, 2010, 02:13 PM
In regards to a reason for Rush to kill anyone (Simeon, in particular), I honestly don't think he'd go that far if Simeon attacked any of the crew, even any of the women. However, if he managed to find out what Rush was doing behind everybody's backs or somehow caused damage to the Destiny ... now I could see Rush killing Simeon over that.

Not sure because RC said that Rush's reaction to Simeon's action let him completely forget Destiny and the mission. In that moment Destiny, which has always been on the first row for him, is put back. So what happens is not directly related to Destiny.

KEK
October 13th, 2010, 02:13 PM
In regards to a reason for Rush to kill anyone (Simeon, in particular), I honestly don't think he'd go that far if Simeon attacked any of the crew, even any of the women. However, if he managed to find out what Rush was doing behind everybody's backs or somehow caused damage to the Destiny ... now I could see Rush killing Simeon over that.

It's not something he finds out, it's something he does according to Robert Carlyle.

Rob23
October 13th, 2010, 03:06 PM
I agree with what someone said earlier it can't be crew related mainly because it's rush, he really doesn't give a crap about anyone on the ship, if I were to speculate i'd say it is bridge related.

P-90_177
October 13th, 2010, 04:18 PM
I dunno....I think it'd be an interesting thing to see that Rush is actually quite protective of certain members of the crew. While we do know he is willing to sacrifice many of them he does stop himself qhen others are in danger. When Eli, Chloe, Scott and Greer were missing in season 1 he stuck his neck out to try and rescue them for example. However, it could be that he views Rape as something that goes beyond murder.

Alternatively it could be that over coming episodes we'll see him have a growing friendship with one of the crew.

Detox
October 13th, 2010, 10:12 PM
Ginn and Perry use the stones to trade places. Perry goes to help with a problem on Destiny, Ginn goes to report on the Lucian Alliance. Ginn is about to report on a big secret, the big secret Simoen has. Simoen therefore goes in and kills Perry, still in Ginn's body, in order to stop that secret from spilling out. Both Perry and Ginn dies. With Perry being the only person that Rush cares about, sets him off on a rampage.

This theory makes the most sense due to Ginn's limited appearance, 5-6 episodes, the character sheet information about how Simoen is willing to die or kill to protect a secret he's keeping, and how Perry's deal would be the only event might instill that much emotion in Rush.

Gollumpus
October 13th, 2010, 10:15 PM
Well, Wray is putting herself in close proximity to these LA peeps. And she and Rush do have a fairly close relationship. So it is possible that she could be the person injured by Simeon, assuming that this is how things go down.

It's also possible that Simeon commits an action which Rush himself may have done, which results in injury or death of a third party. The interesting thing will be to see how Rush views similar actions to his own, committed by a different individual.

Spoilers just in case.

regards,
G.

PS - Detox's post is interesting.

mi_guard
October 14th, 2010, 12:24 AM
PS - Detox's post is interesting.

yeah - and this would also explain why Ginn will only be present for approx. the same amount of episodes as Simeon and not more

pipi
October 14th, 2010, 03:29 AM
This actor is going to be branded the perverted sicko ever since Prison Break. It's going to stick like glue.

Rylor
October 14th, 2010, 03:49 AM
Green for you, Detox ;) Your theory is very plausible and explains most of what we know is going to happen.

garhkal
October 14th, 2010, 05:57 AM
I dunno....I think it'd be an interesting thing to see that Rush is actually quite protective of certain members of the crew. While we do know he is willing to sacrifice many of them he does stop himself qhen others are in danger. When Eli, Chloe, Scott and Greer were missing in season 1 he stuck his neck out to try and rescue them for example. However, it could be that he views Rape as something that goes beyond murder.

Alternatively it could be that over coming episodes we'll see him have a growing friendship with one of the crew.

We know he bonded somewhat with Chloe after the blue's incident..

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 14th, 2010, 06:37 AM
In a recent interview Robert Carlyle said that Simeon will do something so bad, that Rush will comlpetely forget about the mission, the Destiny and everything else in order to kill him. After his little exchange with TJ, the way he almost forced himself on her and she made a mug of him, I'm think a rape may be on the way :S

This is the interview, quite spoilery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=148-XkDKIKsSimeon has been wrong, wrong wrongity wrong since he first showed up so I can believe any old evil thing he did, but wow, something that would unhinge Rush like that? That even Destiny wouldn't matter? Wow. I think Detox (quoted below) has likely nailed it and I think that, like previous episodes, this is someone that humanizes Rush, so having this sort of a loss that would make him lose it? I like it. Puts him on a nice square footing with Young - they lose people, they lose it a little. Symmetry is a wonderful thing :)


Ginn and Perry use the stones to trade places. Perry goes to help with a problem on Destiny, Ginn goes to report on the Lucian Alliance. Ginn is about to report on a big secret, the big secret Simoen has. Simoen therefore goes in and kills Perry, still in Ginn's body, in order to stop that secret from spilling out. Both Perry and Ginn dies. With Perry being the only person that Rush cares about, sets him off on a rampage.

This theory makes the most sense due to Ginn's limited appearance, 5-6 episodes, the character sheet information about how Simoen is willing to die or kill to protect a secret he's keeping, and how Perry's deal would be the only event might instill that much emotion in Rush.

myhelix
October 14th, 2010, 08:20 AM
The Dr. Perry Theory is good and I was thinking the same since I saw Comic Con and the trailers, but I read in another interview with Robert Carlyle that spoilers for Season 2.2 and Seizure that Perry is going to show up in this Seizure episode. Maybe Rush just thinks he killed, or doing some harm in other bad ways?

If I find the link I´ll post it.

kudra
October 14th, 2010, 09:38 AM
The Dr. Perry Theory is good and I was thinking the same since I saw Comic Con and the trailers, but I read in another interview with Robert Carlyle that spoilers for Season 2.2 and Seizure that Perry is going to show up in this Seizure episode. Maybe Rush just thinks he killed, or doing some harm in other bad ways?

If I find the link I´ll post it.

Yes I read that too, can't remember where the spoilers were from so they may not be accurate but they said

That Perry was killed by Radiation at the SGC in the ep called Seizure. If she's not killed in Malice what else could make Rush go so crazy that Destiny is no longer his priority? I think he does care about other people especially his science team & Chloe, Eli and TJ but to drive him really crazy I think it has to be about Perry.

Ian-S
October 14th, 2010, 03:47 PM
RC said Rush goes all out to kill Simeon, he doesn't say that he succeeded.

pipi
October 14th, 2010, 08:42 PM
Whatever Simeon does, please do not repeat the SM choke scene unless it's accompanied with some raunchy action.

SciFiRick
October 14th, 2010, 10:09 PM
Ginn and Perry use the stones to trade places. Perry goes to help with a problem on Destiny, Ginn goes to report on the Lucian Alliance. Ginn is about to report on a big secret, the big secret Simoen has. Simoen therefore goes in and kills Perry, still in Ginn's body, in order to stop that secret from spilling out. Both Perry and Ginn dies. With Perry being the only person that Rush cares about, sets him off on a rampage.

This theory makes the most sense due to Ginn's limited appearance, 5-6 episodes, the character sheet information about how Simoen is willing to die or kill to protect a secret he's keeping, and how Perry's deal would be the only event might instill that much emotion in Rush.

I am of this theory as well. Rush doesn't have any close enough bonds to anyone on board and he is not likely to have that close of a bond over the next 4 episodes. When I saw the preview of Rush screaming and slamming the wall down one of the corridors and knowing that Amanda Perry was appearing in one episode in season 2 if that could be a reaction that has happened. Again, IMO is the most likely thing that would set him off emotionally. I wouldn't be surprised that Young gives him the gun to kill Simeon. In the end, Varro and possibly Koz will be the last of the LA standing and blend in with the crew.

SciFiRick
October 14th, 2010, 10:12 PM
I am of this theory as well. Rush doesn't have any close enough bonds to anyone on board and he is not likely to have that close of a bond over the next 4 episodes. When I saw the preview of Rush screaming and slamming the wall down one of the corridors and knowing that Amanda Perry was appearing in one episode in season 2 if that could be a reaction that has happened to Amanda. Again, IMO is the most likely thing that would set him off emotionally. I wouldn't be surprised that Young gives him the gun to kill Simeon. In the end, Varro and possibly Koz will be the last of the LA standing and blend in with the crew.

Since this is a Spoiler thread I didn't have to use "spoiler tags" correct?

major davis
October 17th, 2010, 04:42 AM
Green for you, Detox ;) Your theory is very plausible and explains most of what we know is going to happen.

Perfect theory.... Except

We know Perry is in or is mntioned in ep 13..... But ...Spoilers.... I believe she dies in ep 13... Which is after malice... And her season 2.0 ep... Which is trial and error... Is 2 eps before Malice

major davis
October 17th, 2010, 04:44 AM
Yes I read that too, can't remember where the spoilers were from so they may not be accurate but they said

That Perry was killed by Radiation at the SGC in the ep called Seizure. If she's not killed in Malice what else could make Rush go so crazy that Destiny is no longer his priority? I think he does care about other people especially his science team & Chloe, Eli and TJ but to drive him really crazy I think it has to be about Perry.

I believe it was the sides from alliances actually.

SGeff
October 17th, 2010, 08:52 AM
Wow, a lot spoilers here. First I have no clue, just some analyizes.

About Ginn:I don't think Ginn will be allowed to use the stone so soon. She could report to Young, and Young could report to O'Neal.

About Perry: Don't they say Simeon has a big secret to hide? What big secret Perry could be involved?

My theory: Is it possible that LA is responsible for Gloria's death? Maybe she could be healed, Or even the LA asked Telford to kill Gloria then push Rush to focus on his research about Destiny. There are some hints that LA know Destiny before the crew dial the Ninth Chevron.

mi_guard
October 17th, 2010, 08:58 AM
My theory: Is it possible that LA is responsible for Gloria's death? Maybe she could be healed, Or even the LA asked Telford to kill Gloria then push Rush to focus on his research about Destiny. There are some hints that LA know Destiny before the crew dial the Ninth Chevron.

Really don't think your theory works; Gloria was sick (cancer); she wasn't killed by anybody

Nth Chevron
October 17th, 2010, 03:38 PM
I seriously hope they dont get rid of Julie McNiven - rawr :D

The only things i can see this being about is either Eli, Perry via someone or TJ, but if its TJ then i think Young with eviscerate Simeon before Rush gets there.

I had a thought, doubt its gonna be even close to true but you never know, what if the an LA operative under Simeons orders, kidnap Eli's mum which forces Eli into helping Simeon with the big secret, far fetched but weve seen Eli solve things that Rush couldnt

N.C

SGeff
October 17th, 2010, 06:51 PM
Really don't this your theory works;
Spoiler:
Gloria was sick (cancer); she wasn't killed by anybody

Yes Gloria was sick, but we don't know how long she could last. So it is possible that when Rush learned about her illness he will give up his work, to be with her. And it could take a very long time.

So it is possible that Simeon is the one who killed Gloria and makes her look like died naturally.

Don't you feel a little odd that Rush missed Gloria's last day. In "Human", we could see him deeply in love with her.

morbosfist
October 17th, 2010, 09:24 PM
That doesn't make any sense.
There's no way to kill someone and fake it as caused by cancer. The cause of death would be discovered.
Go back to "Human" and listen to Rush's short monologue. He ignored his wife's illness in the real world, too, and spent all his time on the Icarus project. He did love her, but probably had a hard time coping with the inevitable.

SGeff
October 18th, 2010, 12:31 AM
Well, it is possible to fake a death caused by cancer.

Kill her and make her died naturually. Then they only need to fake the death report, change the death cause to the cancer. Make sense, if the LA could have a secret agent like Telford, they could easily do that.

Back in "Human", you saw Rush blame himself to ignore his wife disease, that could not be the whole truth. Yes, Gloria was diagnosed having cancer and Rush knew all about it. But it is possible that they didn't know how serious she was.

He thought they still would have the time together after the project, or maybe they do and Gloria was not that sick. So Rush decided to work on the project, maybe even Gloria persuaded him to do the life long dream work.

Then suddenly Gloria died and the hospital said Gloria was diagnosed only have a few days(That could be faked too), Rush received news, so he blamed himself to not being there. All his memory became a little different. He became the man he thought he was but not he was.

All I am saying here my theory is as possible as many others. And I really don't think Simeon has some high classify secret about the upcoming war. Varro has higher ranking, how could possible that Varoo didn't know and Simeon a lower ranking soldier knows?

mi_guard
October 18th, 2010, 12:50 AM
Well, it is possible to fake a death caused by cancer.

Kill her and make her died naturually. Then they only need to fake the death report, change the death cause to the cancer. Make sense, if the LA could have a secret agent like Telford, they could easily do that.

Back in "Human", you saw Rush blame himself to ignore his wife disease, that could not be the whole truth. Yes, Gloria was diagnosed having cancer and Rush knew all about it. But it is possible that they didn't know how serious she was.

He thought they still would have the time together after the project, or maybe they do and Gloria was not that sick. So Rush decided to work on the project, maybe even Gloria persuaded him to do the life long dream work.

Then suddenly Gloria died and the hospital said Gloria was diagnosed only have a few days(That could be faked too), Rush received news, so he blamed himself to not being there. All his memory became a little different. He became the man he thought he was but not he was.

All I am saying here my theory is as possible as many others. And I really don't think Simeon has some high classify secret about the upcoming war. Varro has higher ranking, how could possible that Varoo didn't know and Simeon a lower ranking soldier knows?

Still can't warm up for your theory. Remember Gloria had already fought the cancer earlier and then she got it again. She knew herself how difficult if was the first time and does not think to have the energy to fight for a second turn. Rush knew it too.

We also know that Rush is very pragmatic. Even if he loved there, he probably knew that there was nothing he could do to change the situation.

Furthermore there are persons who react this way to such a stressing prognosis: they just 'dive' into their work so that they do not have to think too much about it because it would hurt them too much.

garhkal
October 19th, 2010, 02:30 AM
While it is an interesting theory, i doubt it very much could have been done...