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Generic Blue
October 6th, 2010, 06:07 PM
If the Shuttle is gone how are they going to get over to the seeder next episode (im trying to stay as spoiler free as possible so dont give any major plot points from next episode away) will they like dock with it or something...air lock to air lock action?

KEK
October 6th, 2010, 06:08 PM
They'll dock with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bja2fpXmGWY

morbosfist
October 6th, 2010, 06:09 PM
It stands to reason that Destiny must be capable of ship to ship docking, especially with ships in its own class. It would frankly be illogical for it not to be capable of it. However, worst-case scenario is that the ship stops nearby and they have to go EVA.

KEK
October 6th, 2010, 06:10 PM
They're not the same class by the way, they look nothing alike.

morbosfist
October 6th, 2010, 06:32 PM
They're not the same class by the way, they look nothing alike.Alike enough to have the same basic shape. I was speaking generally, anyway. Not to say it's the same type of ship, but in the same range of vessels. Like a Ha'tak and gliders.

Ashman
October 6th, 2010, 06:34 PM
I am thinking we are going to be without a shuttle for awhile!

morsu
October 6th, 2010, 06:57 PM
I am thinking we are not.

ckwongau
October 6th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Ancient Transport rings

That is how they are transport themselve to the other Seeder ship next week, or they can use the EVA suite and using old fashion rope and climb to the other ship like thta movies "mission to Mar"

Vanek26
October 6th, 2010, 07:15 PM
Destiny has a set of rings?

the fifth man
October 6th, 2010, 07:37 PM
They'll dock with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bja2fpXmGWY

Pretty sweet little preview. I can't wait for next Tuesday night.:)

General Jumper One
October 6th, 2010, 07:43 PM
try this thread

http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/77204-Shuttle-Issue-%28Spoilers%29

meo3000
October 6th, 2010, 10:24 PM
I predict they will find a whole bunch of stuff. If the ship can make stargates, it can make shuttles.

morbosfist
October 6th, 2010, 10:50 PM
I predict they will find a whole bunch of stuff. If the ship can make stargates, it can make shuttles.Flawed logic. An auto manufacturing plant could not make fighter jets without a significant retooling of its construction facilities. Based on the preview, the factory seems to span the entire length of the ship.

garhkal
October 6th, 2010, 11:01 PM
if the destiny was set to be eventually manned, it stands to reason that so were the seeder ships.

morbosfist
October 6th, 2010, 11:15 PM
The seeder ships were never intended to be manned. They have to be capable of being manned for repairs, but that's the extent of it. It's not a passenger ship, it's a flying factory.

Lahela
October 6th, 2010, 11:43 PM
If the Shuttle is gone how are they going to get over to the seeder next episode (im trying to stay as spoiler free as possible so dont give any major plot points from next episode away) will they like dock with it or something...air lock to air lock action?

You may claim to be spoiler-free, but that's a pretty big spoiler you've just unleashed... :(

meo3000
October 7th, 2010, 01:58 PM
The seeder ships were never intended to be manned. They have to be capable of being manned for repairs, but that's the extent of it. It's not a passenger ship, it's a flying factory.

And youre 100% sure about that of course.

Then why meet with it at this exact moment? They just happen to run of shuttles and find a seeder ship in the same day? Maybe when they first boarded Destiny, the ship sent a message to the closer seeder ship to reconfigure his factory to build other stuff, stuff they really needed, and hold position until they catches up.

Ive said it before, the Ancients were the masters of redundancy. Thats why they have multiple seeder ships, and thats why i believe those ships can make other stuff than stargates. You think the Ancients didnt foresee the day all their shuttles would be damaged beyond repair or destroyed and didnt have a backup plan? You think they didnt program other presets in the automated factory in case they would need it? Whats more complicated to build, shuttles, repairbots, EVAsuits, weapons or stargates?

morbosfist
October 7th, 2010, 02:21 PM
And youre 100% sure about that of course.It's common sense. The seeder ships were sent ahead of Destiny to seed gates. Why would you intend to man a ship when it is not only tens if not hundreds of years ahead of the ship you can gate to, and the only thing capable of depositing gates on a planet for the ship you actually intend to man to dial to?


Then why meet with it at this exact moment? They just happen to run of shuttles and find a seeder ship in the same day? Maybe when they first boarded Destiny, the ship sent a message to the closer seeder ship to reconfigure his factory to build other stuff, stuff they really needed, and hold position until they catches up.

Ive said it before, the Ancients were the masters of redundancy. Thats why they have multiple seeder ships, and thats why i believe those ships can make other stuff than stargates. You think the Ancients didnt foresee the day all their shuttles would be damaged beyond repair or destroyed and didnt have a backup plan? You think they didnt program other presets in the automated factory in case they would need it? Whats more complicated to build, shuttles, repairbots, EVAsuits, weapons or stargates?Except the factory is obviously still building Stargates, not shuttles. Moreover, see the thing above. The ship would have to fly back to Destiny, which would take longer than the crew's been on the ship. The Ancients are good at redundancy, but they aren't omnipotent. There's no way they could have predicted this situation.

Shadow_7
October 7th, 2010, 02:41 PM
It might be interesting if it is man-able. Put the civilians on that ship. Everybody will then be happy right?

Jeffer
October 7th, 2010, 03:19 PM
perhaps the seeder ship is damaged and in need of repair and has been waiting for destiny to catch up to repair it.

Galileo_Galilee
October 7th, 2010, 03:37 PM
This brings up a question, what happens if Destiny passes this ship?

Are there more gates out there in front of it?

Could this have been what the Aleutian Alliance was actually after all along?

Wouldn't it be a very powerful advantage to have the control of a ship that can manufacture gates?

What about the power source? Wouldn't there be something like a ZPM they cannibalize for the Destiny?

Or maybe there's a ship out there that makes ZPMS?

randomking
October 7th, 2010, 04:05 PM
This brings up a question, what happens if Destiny passes this ship?

Are there more gates out there in front of it?

Could this have been what the Aleutian Alliance was actually after all along?

Wouldn't it be a very powerful advantage to have the control of a ship that can manufacture gates?

What about the power source? Wouldn't there be something like a ZPM they cannibalize for the Destiny?

Or maybe there's a ship out there that makes ZPMS?

i dont think we will see anything close to zpms in sgu,
but i wonder if this is not a seeder ship for gates im thinking it might be a seeder ship meant to gather resors for destiny to repair it ever so often

SciFiRick
October 7th, 2010, 05:44 PM
They'll dock with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bja2fpXmGWY

What a great clip. This is a huge spoiler. How long is it until Tuesday??

garhkal
October 8th, 2010, 04:01 AM
It's common sense. The seeder ships were sent ahead of Destiny to seed gates. Why would you intend to man a ship when it is not only tens if not hundreds of years ahead of the ship you can gate to, and the only thing capable of depositing gates on a planet for the ship you actually intend to man to dial to?

Except the factory is obviously still building Stargates, not shuttles. Moreover, see the thing above. The ship would have to fly back to Destiny, which would take longer than the crew's been on the ship. The Ancients are good at redundancy, but they aren't omnipotent. There's no way they could have predicted this situation.

Who;s saying it has to fly back. It could just slow down, or better yet come to a full stop. Heck maube that is why we have been getting limited times on planet when it does come out of light speed...

morbosfist
October 8th, 2010, 08:13 AM
Even if it stops the ship would not reach it within their lifetime. It would have to have stopped well before they ever boarded the ship.

Steelbox
October 8th, 2010, 09:36 AM
This brings up a question, what happens if Destiny passes this ship?

Are there more gates out there in front of it?

Could this have been what the Aleutian Alliance was actually after all along?

Wouldn't it be a very powerful advantage to have the control of a ship that can manufacture gates?

What about the power source? Wouldn't there be something like a ZPM they cannibalize for the Destiny?

Or maybe there's a ship out there that makes ZPMS?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hKsY-oqxo-8/THJKhHm8uoI/AAAAAAAAC8Q/tMPYYxymJeo/s1600/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

Shadow_7
October 8th, 2010, 12:33 PM
The spoiler pretty much shows a destiny class ship that it docks with.
A different spoiler (webisodes) shows a destiny class ship that blows up.
I guess we'll find out if it's the same ship this season.

garhkal
October 9th, 2010, 06:17 AM
Even if it stops the ship would not reach it within their lifetime. It would have to have stopped well before they ever boarded the ship.

That would depend on how far ahead the seeder ship was.... wouldn't it.

Wayston
October 9th, 2010, 06:29 AM
That would depend on how far ahead the seeder ship was.... wouldn't it.

I initially assumed that they would have a huge head start like most people I guess. But then I came to thinking why on earth would it be? Ultimately all it needs to do is to stay one lesson ahead of the student so to speak. Just send it a couple years earlier so that "real time" (on a geographical timescale) accurate surveys can be gathered that are acually useable by the Destiny crew and so that they can come across a nice gate on its travels but not too far ahead. Basically the only limiting factor in the window between the seeder ships and the Destiny is how long it takes to collect materials for the gates and to actually manufacture and place them.

I can imagine that this particular seeder ship they are about to encounter has reduced/no engine capacity and that's why they're able to catch up with it, but this plotline works for a 10.000 year head start or a 10 year head start.

morbosfist
October 9th, 2010, 08:26 AM
Destiny has thousands of planets in its database that they haven't passed. Seeders only plant gates in a straight line. For this number to fit, the Seeders must be at least a few galaxies ahead.

Solokiller
October 9th, 2010, 08:38 AM
The seeder ships would've had to be pretty far ahead, or they would've noticed the faith star system, as rush states in that episode. Unless that star system was put there when the aliens noticed the destiny got a crew. Still, that means the seeder ships would be a galaxy ahead at least.

Shadow_7
October 9th, 2010, 09:39 AM
And it is a galaxy ahead. Bear in mind that several unmanned craft were launched before Destiny so this is only one of those things. It may be the only one of that type, but I doubt it. If it is, so much for season 3. Or even season 2.5.

kcatlantis
October 10th, 2010, 11:50 AM
I initially assumed that they would have a huge head start like most people I guess. But then I came to thinking why on earth would it be? Ultimately all it needs to do is to stay one lesson ahead of the student so to speak. Just send it a couple years earlier so that "real time" (on a geographical timescale) accurate surveys can be gathered that are acually useable by the Destiny crew and so that they can come across a nice gate on its travels but not too far ahead. Basically the only limiting factor in the window between the seeder ships and the Destiny is how long it takes to collect materials for the gates and to actually manufacture and place them.



Remember Franklyn told Rush that the data from the planet in aftermath was millions of years old.

morbosfist
October 10th, 2010, 12:35 PM
Remember Franklyn told Rush that the data from the planet in aftermath was millions of years old.That isn't a spoiler, no need to tag it. Also, that's not what Frankin said. What Franklin said was that the shuttle was millions of years old, and the Rush did not take this into account.

KEK
October 10th, 2010, 08:09 PM
The spoiler pretty much shows a destiny class ship that it docks with.
A different spoiler (webisodes) shows a destiny class ship that blows up.
I guess we'll find out if it's the same ship this season.


The ship it docks with definitely isn't a Destiny class ship, the design is very different.

Abiron
October 10th, 2010, 08:51 PM
I still think it's possible that Destiny did send a subspace transmission to a seeder ship ordering it to await her arrival, perhaps to facilitate repairs or resupply after the significant damage she's taken. While we are assuming that much of that damage is from the BA, some of it may be much older than that. Perhaps the message was sent quite a while ago, and Destiny has been closing the distance for centuries.

Of course, the seeder may also be off-mission, captured, or somehow rendered non-mission-capable.

Shadow_7
October 11th, 2010, 12:05 AM
The ship it docks with definitely isn't a Destiny class ship, the design is very different.

By Destiny Class ship, I mean similar shape and similar size. It's certainly no shuttle.

garhkal
October 11th, 2010, 01:16 AM
I still think it's possible that Destiny did send a subspace transmission to a seeder ship ordering it to await her arrival, perhaps to facilitate repairs or resupply after the significant damage she's taken. While we are assuming that much of that damage is from the BA, some of it may be much older than that. Perhaps the message was sent quite a while ago, and Destiny has been closing the distance for centuries..

Interesting idea.. that the destiny told it to "hold up, i need repairs" 1000 or so years ago and that seeder ship has been sitting there since..