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sg1fan
October 6th, 2010, 07:40 AM
SPOILER Warning for those that haven't seen Aftermath. Don't read this thread.

Riley died, but do you think he should be given a second life on the faith planet?

My vote is let him stay dead. Sorry Riley. Love you but....time to go.

Wayston
October 6th, 2010, 08:01 AM
SPOILER Warning for those that haven't seen Aftermath. Don't read this thread.

Riley died, but do you think he should be given a second life on the faith planet?

My vote is let him stay dead. Sorry Riley. Love you but....time to go.



I liked him a lot and hate to see him go, but a show should have the balls to kill off likeable characters in order to keep some figment of moral hazzard towards the health and wellbeing of the main cast characters. I say let him rest in peace. It's kinda sad since I had him pegged as Destiny's resident homosexual character. He had this kind of effeminate presence. I wouldn't call him geeky at all, just kinda refined e.g. how he defended the prisoner's right to decent treatment at the start of the episode.

sg1fan
October 6th, 2010, 08:14 AM
Okay so maybe geeky is the wrong word, but he's certainly not the athletic type. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

So what do others think? Keep him where he is (i.e. pushing up daisies) or a second life on the faith planet?

I personally think it's a cop-out to send everyone that dies to the faith planet. It negates the drama of the death and gives it no meaning.

The Mighty 6 platoon
October 6th, 2010, 08:19 AM
Riley died and should stay dead. For him to return would cheapen his death and the impact it had.

sg1fan
October 6th, 2010, 08:24 AM
So far that's 3 for dead and 0 for faith planet. Not looking good Riley!

mi_guard
October 6th, 2010, 08:32 AM
As much as I liked his character, it would really not be good for the show if now everybody who dies (hopefully not many), would go to the Faith planet. And what would you do with LA people when they die? also send them to the Faith planet? no, it is better he stays dead.

If it really fits, I could even accept him to return in a dream or in flashbacks, but nothing else

jelgate
October 6th, 2010, 08:34 AM
no. He is not on the Faith planet. The only reason that TJ's baby went to the faith planet was she had no choice

sg1fan
October 6th, 2010, 08:35 AM
I guess I could accept him back if it was an alternate timeline, parallel universe, flashback, or dream as well - BUT it shouldn't be on a permanent basis.

Stay Dead 4
Faith Planet 0

KEK
October 6th, 2010, 09:08 AM
Unless they're left ambiguous to begin with (TJ's baby) I think that deaths are cheapened when a character is brought back. Janet in the AU episode was just meh in SG-1/

hedwig
October 6th, 2010, 09:25 AM
Stay Dead 5
Faith Planet 0

Stormtrooper
October 6th, 2010, 09:59 AM
TPTB should grow some balls and start killing main characters for a change.

jelgate
October 6th, 2010, 10:10 AM
No. I can't live through another Save Character X campaign

Replicator Todd
October 6th, 2010, 10:43 AM
I liked Riley but nobody on this show will live forever or come back from the dead. This isn't SG1 and SGA(unfortunately :p).

Petra
October 6th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Well, I'd love to see him sometime in some flashbacks, but that's it. No faith planet and no dreams please. I suspect that his return in some alternate timeline or universe wouldn't work either. I love Riley, but let him stay dead.

sg1fan
October 6th, 2010, 11:14 AM
Well so sad for Riley. This could be a first. We have consensus.

stay dead 9
faith planet 0

RRRRRRiiiiillllllleeeeeeeeyyyyyyy!

Lahela
October 6th, 2010, 11:36 AM
10

I loved the character and cried when he died, both times I've watched it so far, but he has to stay dead for it to mean anything.

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 6th, 2010, 01:03 PM
Riley died and should stay dead. For him to return would cheapen his death and the impact it had.

this X infinity

I loved Riley but Riley should stay dead.

Homer 120
October 6th, 2010, 01:31 PM
I seriously hope that TPTB don't fall back on their usual ''Killing characters/bringing them back to life episodes later'' route

Rob23
October 6th, 2010, 01:50 PM
Why one of the true heroes onboard and not chloe.

sg1fan
October 6th, 2010, 02:19 PM
I think we're up to:

Stay Dead 13
Faith Planet 0

Rarely have I seen such unanimity on any topic. Is he not handsome enough? Is he not funny enough? Riley was one of the nice normal guys on the show. The average man so to speak. I guess it's safe to bump him off then. :danielanime08: Where is the love for poor Riley?

Kanten
October 6th, 2010, 02:27 PM
Rarely have I seen such unanimity on any topic. Is he not handsome enough? Is he not funny enough? Riley was one of the nice normal guys on the show. The average man so to speak. I guess it's safe to bump him off then. :danielanime08: Where is the love for poor Riley?

Because it would negate the entire point of the episode, and by extension, any other death in the series. The last thing SGU needs is another "ascension" epidemic.

Furthermore, it's an almost certainty that this one isn't just going to be swept under the rug and forgotten as the other series had a habit of doing. As soon as Young finds out that Rush stopped the ship at that planet, it is not going to be a pretty sight.

Nikec3
October 6th, 2010, 02:37 PM
I think we're up to:

Stay Dead 13
Faith Planet 0

Rarely have I seen such unanimity on any topic. Is he not handsome enough? Is he not funny enough? Riley was one of the nice normal guys on the show. The average man so to speak. I guess it's safe to bump him off then. :danielanime08: Where is the love for poor Riley?

I don't like dead characters to live again no matter how much I love them :D

TheLastSunset
October 6th, 2010, 03:05 PM
I think Riley should show up on the 'Obelisk planet.'

Eternal Density
October 6th, 2010, 03:11 PM
I really liked Riley as a character but it wouldn't be right to bring him back.

ciannwn
October 6th, 2010, 03:13 PM
I haven't seen this episode yet because I'm in the UK - I've been reading the Aftermath discussion topics because I don't care about spoilers. As the GW transcript isn't available yet I've got a question to ask -

Did 'Aftermath' include a full explanation of what happened on the Faith planet in 'Intervention'? Unless I know the full explanation I can't say whether or not it would be a good idea for him to turn up there.


I don't like dead characters to live again no matter how much I love them :D

But main characters are forever dying in Stargate - it's just that they're AU versions or it happens in a timeline that's then changed (The Last Man) or returned back the way it should have been (Stargate Continuum). Main characters died several times in 'Time' as well. It's this kind of thing that's already cheapened Riley's death for me - I'm not going to believe that the main characters are in any kind of danger as a result because they'll always get a reset button. Maybe TPTB intend to surprise us with a main character later on but I'm not going to hold my breath.

xxxevilgrinxxx
October 6th, 2010, 03:14 PM
I think we're up to:

Stay Dead 13
Faith Planet 0

Rarely have I seen such unanimity on any topic. Is he not handsome enough? Is he not funny enough? Riley was one of the nice normal guys on the show. The average man so to speak. I guess it's safe to bump him off then. :danielanime08: Where is the love for poor Riley?

I adore Riley. Just think it would cheapen his character if he got brought back from the dead. He is handsome enough and he's definitely funny enough, and he can stay dead.

garhkal
October 6th, 2010, 09:38 PM
SPOILER Warning for those that haven't seen Aftermath. Don't read this thread.

Riley died, but do you think he should be given a second life on the faith planet?

My vote is let him stay dead. Sorry Riley. Love you but....time to go.



Nope. Stay kia.


TPTB should grow some balls and start killing main characters for a change.

But who do you class as a main character?
Scott, Greer, Parks, Young, TJ, Rush, Eli, Wray, Telford??


I loved the character and cried when he died, both times I've watched it so far, but he has to stay dead for it to mean anything.

It was close to a tear jerker for me, especially how he asked young to finish him off so he would not have to suffer


Furthermore, it's an almost certainty that this one isn't just going to be swept under the rug and forgotten as the other series had a habit of doing. As soon as Young finds out that Rush stopped the ship at that planet, it is not going to be a pretty sight.

Especially with the way the crew were all celebrating him at the end.


Did 'Aftermath' include a full explanation of what happened on the Faith planet in 'Intervention'? Unless I know the full explanation I can't say whether or not it would be a good idea for him to turn up there.

Nope. Unfortunatly all we got was TJ having a talk with Riley about her vision/dream and whether it was real..

No = 19.
yes = 1 (thelastsunset)

ciannwn
October 7th, 2010, 02:44 AM
Nope. Unfortunatly all we got was TJ having a talk with Riley about her vision/dream and whether it was real..

No = 19.
yes = 1 (thelastsunset)

So the vote is -

No= 19

Yes = 1

Don't know because we haven't got an explanation for TJ's experience = 1

solid-snake56
October 7th, 2010, 08:53 AM
No. I can't live through another Save Character X campaign
I agree. To me, the "save beckett" campain killed SGA and also the power that the writers are supposed to have upon the viewers. They can hear the fans but they shouldn't write something to please an angry group.

So Riley's dead and must stay dead. If TPTB want him back for a flashback, why not. :)

ciannwn
October 7th, 2010, 10:14 AM
I agree. To me, the "save beckett" campain killed SGA and also the power that the writers are supposed to have upon the viewers. They can hear the fans but they shouldn't write something to please an angry group.

TPTB got a lot of free publicity for SGA out of it, though. :D

Wayston
October 7th, 2010, 11:48 AM
meh if you're going to kill off a character - fine I have no problem with the concept as such, like I said above I think a show should have the balls to make such moves.

I loved carson beckett as a character a lot, he had me cracked up with laughter with his comic relief one liners like "omg me tuuuuhhtles", but if they want to kill him off the least the could do was to manage it properly for maximum positive effect instead of doing something so unexpected (in a bad way) and absurd it felt like a suckerpunch in the face to the entire fandom... that was the worst mistake they could possibly make after the already questionable decision on writing out Ford the way they did

droid327
October 8th, 2010, 02:02 PM
Riley will be coming back, but only as another addition to Rush's hallucination stable

Aurora24
October 8th, 2010, 08:08 PM
As much as I liked Riley, he died and he should stay dead. It brings a sense of reality to the show, that wouldn't exist if he suddenly came back. Besides it hasn't been shown that the aliens from the Faith planet can bring people back to life. We don't know if TJ's baby was saved right before, or after she "died".

Pharaoh Atem
October 8th, 2010, 08:09 PM
keep him dead but have him come back to haunt young from time to time.

norph
October 8th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Or maybe Rush will start seeing him too. Rush did admit and say "All this was his fault" at the end of the show. If Gloria is the conscience part, Franklin is the technical part, maybe Riley can be guilt :)

Pharaoh Atem
October 8th, 2010, 08:34 PM
I :danielanime08: Where is the love for poor Riley?

if you bring him back the awesome scene between him and young would be lost and it would be a damn shame.

garhkal
October 9th, 2010, 06:33 AM
keep him dead but have him come back to haunt young from time to time.

I know when i was deployed to iraq, some of the spec forces we repaired comm gear for said they were 'haunted' in their dreams by the faces of their fallen comrades. So who knows. Maybe one reason Young is the way he is, is cause HE is also haunted...

ciannwn
October 9th, 2010, 07:59 AM
I loved carson beckett as a character a lot, he had me cracked up with laughter with his comic relief one liners like "omg me tuuuuhhtles", but if they want to kill him off the least the could do was to manage it properly for maximum positive effect instead of doing something so unexpected (in a bad way) and absurd it felt like a suckerpunch in the face to the entire fandom... that was the worst mistake they could possibly make after the already questionable decision on writing out Ford the way they did

And bringing Beckett back as a clone wouldn't have seemed a bit lame if SGA had included real character drama. Imagine what it would be like to have all your original's memories and feelings but not being able to visit your family and friends back home because they know your original is dead. This aspect was touched on very briefly and then the Beckett clone had got over it by the time we saw him again - yes, it was two months later SGA time but he'd spent those two months in a stasis pod so he hadn't had a chance to come to terms with it.

I'm not suggesting that Riley should be brought back as a clone but having him reappear as a dream or hallucination could work if it was done properly.


We don't know if TJ's baby was saved right before, or after she "died".

The scene with Wray and TJ made it clear that the baby had died - if she'd mysteriously vanished into thin air Wray would have mentioned it. So how could the aliens have saved her? Did they create a clone body and transfer the baby's consciousness into it? Well, the Asgard transferred their consciousnesses into clone bodies so it's not like this kind of thing is impossible in the fictional Stargate universe. There's still the question of how TJ was walking around on the Faith planet, though. Did the aliens make a temporary clone body for her? :confused:

Krisz
October 9th, 2010, 08:05 PM
No saving Riley! His death was one of the most heart wrenching I've seen on screen in a long time. To have the impact of his death destroyed by being brought back would go against the whole reason for killing him off in the first place. Pointless!

He will be remembered and his death will affect people on Destiny for a long time to come, it brings the reality of how fragile life is out there on that ship home in a big way. Bringing a dead character back would go against the show's intent to create a 'darker' theme.

Azzers
October 10th, 2010, 05:30 PM
And bringing Beckett back as a clone wouldn't have seemed a bit lame if SGA had included real character drama. Imagine what it would be like to have all your original's memories and feelings but not being able to visit your family and friends back home because they know your original is dead. This aspect was touched on very briefly and then the Beckett clone had got over it by the time we saw him again - yes, it was two months later SGA time but he'd spent those two months in a stasis pod so he hadn't had a chance to come to terms with it.


This, in a BIG way.

Every device you can think of (Cloning, Alternate Universe, Hallucination) CAN work if it's done correctly. The point is, you have to figure out what actually creates drama and isn't just some wacky reunion. I remember cloned Crichton from Farscape being one of my favorite doubles because they worked well together, but they were stuck in this weird dynamic of hating, distrusting, and and on some level fearing what the other one was up to. And at the end, though they were bitter, one still mourns the other because he knows he has basically already died.

Then I think back to Beckett, and you're right. A character gets brought back and he's just kind of there. There were plenty of places it could have gone, but I think because he was brought back as kind of a "ok shut up now" gesture, the whole experience was very "meh".

And for me, although the device was clunky (exploding tumor), Beckett's death was very effective for me because it played up McKay's guilt and as an audience I felt actual loss. I wish the fans had left him in peace.

SG7
October 10th, 2010, 07:23 PM
No. I can't live through another Save Character X campaign

Personally I was kinda hoping he didn't get killed off. And were it not for at least 2 other save X character campaigns, I would have loved to see him say on the faith planet.

However I have to agree with the others. If they "save" him somehow, then that would cheapen his death and would make death episodes seem meaningless and almost "meh".

ciannwn
October 11th, 2010, 06:55 AM
Personally I was kinda hoping he didn't get killed off. And were it not for at least 2 other save X character campaigns, I would have loved to see him say on the faith planet.

We have no idea what the faith planet really is, though. Maybe some of the planet building aliens had borrowed the forms of Caine and co and TJ's experience was their doing. If so, Riley could turn up in someone else's weird experience without it actually being Riley.

Gollumpus
October 11th, 2010, 08:25 AM
I really liked the Riley, however, I do not want him brought back. As SG7 noted, if he was brought back in some form by this "faith planet" it would really cheapen his death. If he is brought back in this manner, would that mean that each and every character who is killed off is going to be "brought back"? Let it alone.

The faith planet should not be used as a character dump by the writers and producers. If they choose to kill a character off, they should live with the consequences.

regards,
G.

ciannwn
October 11th, 2010, 08:32 AM
Can somebody please provide the full explanation for TJ's experience? Were those people we saw on the faith world really Caine and co? Was TJ on the real faith planet or did she just have a vision? What is the explanation for the nebula?

morbosfist
October 11th, 2010, 08:33 AM
Can somebody please provide the full explanation for TJ's experience? Were those people we saw on the faith world really Caine and co? Was TJ on the real faith planet or did she just have a vision? What is the explanation for the nebula?There isn't one. That's the point. You're not supposed to be entirely sure that it actually happened.

ciannwn
October 11th, 2010, 08:39 AM
There isn't one. That's the point. You're not supposed to be entirely sure that it actually happened.

In that case, if Riley turns up in somebody else's weird experience we won't be sure if he's been resurrected or is just an hallucination. There's also the possibility that there will be more about TJ's experience later on and the explanation isn't what people might be expecting.

ciannwn
October 11th, 2010, 10:21 AM
no. He is not on the Faith planet. The only reason that TJ's baby went to the faith planet was she had no choice

I've just checked the transcript for Faith - Riley wasn't in it. From 'Intervention'.

http://www.gateworld.net/universe/s2/transcripts/201.shtml

CAINE: Well, if you hadn't decided to go back with Colonel Young, he would have taken all of us. I know what a sacrifice that was. And the aliens knew. I think that's why they were willing to bring your daughter here.

CAINE: Well, you made your choice.

CAINE: The baby can stay.

CAINE: ... but you have to go back.

If the planet building aliens created TJ's experience to soften the blow of losing her baby they could produce of vision of Riley on the planet for her without them appearing contradictory. Riley spent several episodes recovering from the injuries he got in 'Earth' and we don't see him again until 'Human' which is the episode after 'Faith'. If he wasn't fit enough to go to the planet he didn't have a choice about whether to stay or return to the Destiny.

Even if I've got the right explanation for TJ's vision I still can't think of a reason why they'd want to create another one for her, though.