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Nathan Reynolds
October 6th, 2010, 04:35 AM
Now that they have no Shuttles in Destiny whats the chances they gonna find some in the Seeders Ship because thats the "object" they are headed for, no doubt.

KlaxxonBlue
October 6th, 2010, 04:52 AM
Rings? :)

General Jumper One
October 6th, 2010, 04:56 AM
it would be funny if Destiny and all the other planets they have been to had rings and they didn't know it

escyos
October 6th, 2010, 05:28 AM
the seeder ship will give them a donkey

Spimman
October 6th, 2010, 05:39 AM
I agree that they will conveniently find a replacement ship in the near future and quite possibly next week. What else will they find is the real question...

Stormtrooper
October 6th, 2010, 05:49 AM
I will be surprised if by the end of Awakening...

the seeder ship is still in one piece.

Rings would be cool.

sg1fan
October 6th, 2010, 07:05 AM
I'd say the chances are very good that they will find a shuttle on the seeder ship. I have a feeling the seeder ship is going to be a treasure trove of supplies, weapons, and ancient tech. It's going to be the JACKPOT!

AquaGamer53
October 6th, 2010, 07:35 AM
In the trailer it looked like Destiny had the ability to dock with the seeder ship, which probably is one reason they are shaped like Destiny itself.

KEK
October 6th, 2010, 08:53 AM
Maybe one say we'll see Destiny land, if that's even possible.

KlaxxonBlue
October 6th, 2010, 08:57 AM
Maybe one say we'll see Destiny land, if that's even possible.

Just from the overall structure of the ship, I would say that it should be able to land with sufficient support. BUT.. With those three large ass prongs on the back of the ship, I don't see that happening.

http://www.fxstation.net/storage/Images/SGU/DestFinal-4.jpg

See?

General Jumper One
October 6th, 2010, 09:00 AM
Maybe one say we'll see Destiny land, if that's even possible.


Just from the overall structure of the ship, I would say that it should be able to land with sufficient support. BUT.. With those three large ass prongs on the back of the ship, I don't see that happening.

http://www.fxstation.net/storage/Images/SGU/DestFinal-4.jpg

See?

http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/76838-Can-Destiny-survive-re-entry-*spoilers-S1-and-2*

Commander Zelix
October 6th, 2010, 10:01 AM
I wonder if I'm alone in this, but at first when the shuttle completely shut down, I thought it would fall completely vertically (a few degree close). If you watch the episode just before the system shut down and a second after, you will see what I mean I think. It seems to go for a vertical fall/crash. But then, it seems that the shuttle was aerodynamic enough to crash like a normal plane and gain some horizontal momentum (because of the air under the "wings").

The special effects for the crash was pretty neat for what it worth.

zainea13
October 6th, 2010, 10:47 AM
On the crash you see Scott get hit with a lot of debris, I would have liked to see him incapacitated for the episode. Bleeding out from the neck and in danger of death.

Also, when the shuttle hit the mountain it should have started to spin out of control. But it didn't.

Shai Hulud
October 6th, 2010, 10:49 AM
Also, when the shuttle hit the mountain it should have started to spin out of control. But it didn't.

Indeed. That whole sequence was fantastic up until that point but it did make me laugh out loud so perhaps they made that scene so badly to get a giggle from the audience.

kymeric
October 6th, 2010, 11:19 AM
I took it as the ship is very heavy (dense) and it was going very fast in a straight line. Otherwise it shoulda spun around and shredded. Whatever magic ancient metal its made out of i guess....

Mike.
October 6th, 2010, 11:30 AM
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Also, when the shuttle hit the mountain it should have started to spin out of control. But it didn't.

Yeah, that stood out like a sore thumb. Baaaad. Pretty CGI though.
Here's an in-show explanation that could work (not that I believe it): Scott said that only "half of the systems are down" - so the stabilizers were still active, and the surface of the mountain side wasn't hard enough to offer any significant resistance, considering the huge weight of the shuttle and its momentum.
But you're right, it could have been done a lot better. :mckay:

And I'm seriously annoyed that they lost their only shuttle. So many situations, CGI shots, actions scenes that won't be possible anymore. Darn.

Arwis
October 6th, 2010, 11:36 AM
Well a crash scene was a complete failure. First of all this ship has no aerodynamics what so ever and it glides? And secondly I doubt that the mass of the shuttle is couple hundred thousand of tons. I mean even if that massive object would hit the mountain like that it would enter the spin.

Carter's Boy
October 6th, 2010, 12:15 PM
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season2/MGM-Trailer/normal_shot0316.png

Barroth
October 6th, 2010, 01:30 PM
http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/albums/uni_season2/MGM-Trailer/normal_shot0316.png

that could be the Shuttle from "Faith"

General Jumper One
October 6th, 2010, 03:57 PM
that could be the Shuttle from "Faith"

TJ went with them to "Faith" remember, they left them there and took the shuttle back

KEK
October 6th, 2010, 04:20 PM
They left one shuttle, and came back on the other.

General Jumper One
October 6th, 2010, 04:31 PM
They left one shuttle, and came back on the other.

a shuttle that won't be going to space ever again

KEK
October 6th, 2010, 04:34 PM
We'll see.

pipi
October 6th, 2010, 04:39 PM
Maybe we'll see some early design puddle jumpers. Would definitely increase the amount of resources they can hunt for in each window.

garhkal
October 6th, 2010, 10:49 PM
I'd say the chances are very good that they will find a shuttle on the seeder ship. I have a feeling the seeder ship is going to be a treasure trove of supplies, weapons, and ancient tech. It's going to be the JACKPOT!

That i bet. And if nothing else, the power/knowledge it brings is going to keep rush busy for a while.


Yeah, that stood out like a sore thumb. Baaaad. Pretty CGI though.
Here's an in-show explanation that could work (not that I believe it): Scott said that only "half of the systems are down" - so the stabilizers were still active, and the surface of the mountain side wasn't hard enough to offer any significant resistance, considering the huge weight of the shuttle and its momentum.


The part that got me was if it went out of power, how come the comms worked?


a shuttle that won't be going to space ever again

Perhaps in the time since then thye managed to fix it... Or those who helped by providing shelter did.

Solokiller
October 7th, 2010, 12:28 AM
Considering how there are several shots of the destiny without its shuttle, i'm assuming they'll be without a shuttle for a while.

Abiron
October 8th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Well, the Seeder ships need some way of actually depositing a new Stargate on a planet. Given that we have never seen any evidence that the Ancients have anything like Asgard beaming technology - or something similar that would allow a Seeder ship to transport a gate to the surface without something like rings at the destination - it seems likely that there are "cargo craft" or "gate delivery ships" aboard the Seeder ships. But if they are designed for the sole purpose of delivering gates from an unmanned Seeder craft, it seems doubtful that they would be configured for a crew. I would guess they are little more than a skeletal framework of drive, shield, and control systems, with the gate riding outside.

No need for an unmanned ship to carry manned shuttles, except as replacements for Destiny herself...which would mean that the Seeders were designed as resupply ships as well. Given that Destiny is out of range of any sort of Ancient repair facility, perhaps that makes some sense. Perhaps when Destiny is in need of supplies and/or major repairs, she sends a subspace message ahead and tells a Seeder to stop and wait for her...something I suppose we'll be able to confirm or deny very shortly.

Shadow_7
October 8th, 2010, 12:56 PM
Well gates can survive being hit by asteroids, so maybe they just eject them towards the planet? They land where they land. It does have a platform and the gate, so maybe the platform is a small lander craft.

droid327
October 8th, 2010, 02:14 PM
He lost helm control and drive power, but he did very conspicuously remark that he lost half the systems, not just "i lost power" or "everything's dead".

Obviously, like it was mentioned above, things like attitude stabilizers and "repulsorlift", for the lack of a better term, were still powered. The shuttle itself would be incapable of gliding aerodynamically, and should have fallen like a rock if it was completely dead. Likewise, apparently the attitude stabilizers had enough power to compensate for the torsion from the nacelle clipping the mountain.

wingsabre
October 8th, 2010, 07:28 PM
Well gates can survive being hit by asteroids, so maybe they just eject them towards the planet? They land where they land. It does have a platform and the gate, so maybe the platform is a small lander craft.

That's what I think too. I'm thinking it'll be like the Mars lander.

GoodSmeagol
October 8th, 2010, 08:04 PM
*Abiron
I have always imagined the seeder ship as sending down 'pods' that smash into the ground, then unfold into the stair platform with the gate in the center...

I believe if we ever run into a seeder ship... ???:) ... we may be able to grab a magic shuttle from it...

garhkal
October 9th, 2010, 06:25 AM
Well gates can survive being hit by asteroids, so maybe they just eject them towards the planet? They land where they land. It does have a platform and the gate, so maybe the platform is a small lander craft.

That would be interesting.. a complete package that launches and as soon as it lands, unfurls..

On a related tangent. We know from SGA that they had space gates. So i wonder if the seeders ever did any.

General Jumper One
October 9th, 2010, 06:33 AM
That would be interesting.. a complete package that launches and as soon as it lands, unfurls..

On a related tangent. We know from SGA that they had space gates. So i wonder if the seeders ever did any.

they don't have ships that can fit through them at this time, so they wouldn't need space gates

Abiron
October 9th, 2010, 09:35 AM
I suppose a self-contained package would make sense, with no need to return to Destiny after deployment. We haven't seen any evidence that this is the case...but we haven't seen any to the contrary either.

As to space gates...there may not have been any intentional space gates, but there's always the chance that a deployment went bad and left one drifting in space. But given the lack of gate-fitting craft and the apparent reluctance of Destiny to allow connection to a potentially instantly fatal destination, I doubt we'll see one.

PG15
October 9th, 2010, 03:22 PM
Spoilers for Awakening:

They won't snatch a shuttle from the Seedership:


nat also wries: “Will they be taking anything from the other ship next week? like a couple of shuttles”

Answer: The type of ship they’ll encounter doesn’t have shuttles. Doesn’t need ‘em.



http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/october-9-2010-montreal-doings-more-mailbag/

Avenger
October 9th, 2010, 04:12 PM
I really hope they don't just happen onto replacement shuttles. That would be way too convenient and would clash completely with the tone of the show.


Rings? :)

Wouldn't be all that useful given that they have a very short range and require a pad on both ends to work.

Bodmanbod
October 9th, 2010, 04:15 PM
well to be honest Im not suprised that seeder ship won't have shuttles, disregarding that being unmanned it wouldn't need them it seems so far that the situation of not having shuttles has been intentionally created by the writers. The initial shuttle loss story line didnt need to actually have involved a shuttle at all, the main story was Chloe's Dad sacrificing himself to close an airlock which could have easily worked without involving a shuttle. And then in this episode Rush (an apparently very intelligent guy) doesnt tell them to scrap the mission when it becomes pretty much certain the situation they are flying into is one the shuttle will not be able to withstand. Seems to me the writers didnt want them to have any way off the ship other than the gate without fans asking "how come the ship doesn't have shuttles?"

I don't know, maybe i'm reading far too much into it but it seems they have lost both shuttles very quickly. Perhaps the seeder ship and destiny will prove to have rings and they didn't want the cast to have 5 (EVA, rings, gate, stones, shuttle) different ways off the ship, after all it is a lot. it makes sense for future plots and tight situations to limit the ways they can leave the ship.