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gildor23
September 9th, 2010, 03:45 PM
I'm exaggerating, the show won't be ruined, bu why must children be involved in everything? I've seen the picture, she had the kid. I understand that children are a huge part of people's lives, but not mine! I was so hoping that reality could be suspended a little further to include a spaceship devoid of children.

Right now it's fine because it can't talk yet. I pray the show reaches a completion before it starts talking. There is nothing more annoying than a wisecracking 2yr old. And what else could they use the kid for? I mean it's only a MacGuffin until it can talk. The kid needs this, the kid needs that!! 3 episodes down the drain!

I take all this back if they have the balls to kill the kid.

Kinda new to this please let me know if I did the spoiler thing properly. Thanks!

pending
September 9th, 2010, 04:05 PM
if you notice she is in a log cabin.... maybe a dream.

xxxevilgrinxxx
September 9th, 2010, 04:53 PM
I'm exaggerating, the show won't be ruined, bu why must children be involved in everything? I've seen the picture, she had the kid. I understand that children are a huge part of people's lives, but not mine! I was so hoping that reality could be suspended a little further to include a spaceship devoid of children.

Right now it's fine because it can't talk yet. I pray the show reaches a completion before it starts talking. There is nothing more annoying than a wisecracking 2yr old. And what else could they use the kid for? I mean it's only a MacGuffin until it can talk. The kid needs this, the kid needs that!! 3 episodes down the drain!

I take all this back if they have the balls to kill the kid.

Kinda new to this please let me know if I did the spoiler thing properly. Thanks!

While I have to agree about kids tending to wreck scifi, I have to say that, in SGU's case, you really don't have anything to worry about. It's a dream, or something. Unless they have decided to build a cabin in space where she can have her child. After the events of the season finale, it's pretty clear that she loses that child.....so, fear not...

Akamaimom
September 9th, 2010, 08:21 PM
I think that it gets sticky when kids are included in Sci fi--it's really hard to make it real because kids tend to take over one's life.

But it's also naive to believe that a ship with that many people on it isn't going to have a few additions over the course of time. Unless they were packing the contraception or the people on board all made a conscious decision to choose celibacy.

The best of Sci-fi is the most realistic Sci-fi--and realism dictates that sometimes, the hormones win.

Captain Lazlo
September 10th, 2010, 12:41 AM
The good old Captain Kirk didn't need children on his ship, they obviously had better control of their hormones then. When Wesley Crusher turned up in the Next Generation, he was a disaster. Sci-Fi starts to degenerate into soap. This is coming from a director who made a Sci Fi space feature with several children on board. From a production point of view it also becomes a nightmare with children on sets, short attention spans, always tired or hungry...for everyone's sake they're best left on some other planet :D

Sapphire_Jade
September 10th, 2010, 12:42 AM
Right now it's fine because it can't talk yet. I pray the show reaches a completion before it starts talking.


I want to point out that life on Destiny is progressing faster our reality. Our one week is not a week to the show there have been a few episodes where months go by. So assuming that SGU does well and does 5 seasons like TPTB want it to. Then if the child does survive he/she could be around be 5 years old maybe older by the time the show ended. I wouldn't mind a child on Destiny as long as it doesn't get a lot of screen time. It's only a matter of time before other females get pregnant unless they brought along a lot of contraceptives (and even then contraceptives aren't 100%) which I don't think they did. It was probably the last thing on their minds when they grabbed all of the supplies they could carry. And since there is A LOT of sex going on it's just a matter of time.

Linda06
September 10th, 2010, 07:04 AM
I am hoping and praying that there will be no kids on SGU.

myhelix
September 10th, 2010, 08:13 AM
I'm exaggerating, the show won't be ruined, bu why must children be involved in everything? I've seen the picture, she had the kid. I understand that children are a huge part of people's lives, but not mine! I was so hoping that reality could be suspended a little further to include a spaceship devoid of children.

Right now it's fine because it can't talk yet. I pray the show reaches a completion before it starts talking. There is nothing more annoying than a wisecracking 2yr old. And what else could they use the kid for? I mean it's only a MacGuffin until it can talk. The kid needs this, the kid needs that!! 3 episodes down the drain!

I take all this back if they have the balls to kill the kid.

Kinda new to this please let me know if I did the spoiler thing properly. Thanks!
Yep. :)

And I doubt that TJ´s baby is alive after the shootout, also the picture look´s like a dream state or hallucination to me, like others have pointed out.
Children and TV shows are never a good match, they are growing up way to fast for the production.

gildor23
September 10th, 2010, 09:20 AM
While I have to agree about kids tending to wreck scifi, I have to say that, in SGU's case, you really don't have anything to worry about. It's a dream, or something. Unless they have decided to build a cabin in space where she can have her child. After the events of the season finale, it's pretty clear that she loses that child.....so, fear not...

Thanks for talking me down. I just saw the pic and grimaced, I did not investigate the backround

gildor23
September 10th, 2010, 09:26 AM
I want to point out that life on Destiny is progressing faster our reality. Our one week is not a week to the show there have been a few episodes where months go by. So assuming that SGU does well and does 5 seasons like TPTB want it to. Then if the child does survive he/she could be around be 5 years old maybe older by the time the show ended. I wouldn't mind a child on Destiny as long as it doesn't get a lot of screen time. It's only a matter of time before other females get pregnant unless they brought along a lot of contraceptives (and even then contraceptives aren't 100%) which I don't think they did. It was probably the last thing on their minds when they grabbed all of the supplies they could carry. And since there is A LOT of sex going on it's just a matter of time.

I am sick of this logic. I have had sex alot and the only time I got a girl pregnant was when I failed to pull out. Everyone I know who is in a relationship uses the pullout and prey method and none of them has EVER had an unscheduled pregnancy. And this encompasses about 13 couples. This isn't B.C. its A.D. we know how the reproductive system works! My point is that with reasonably responsible sexual practices children could be prevented. If wasn't absolutely sure that girl was down with abortion and that abortions are available I would have pulled out, I only risked it because I knew those things. If I was on a spaceship I wouldn't take that risk!

Ashizuri
September 10th, 2010, 10:13 AM
I am sick of this logic. I have had sex alot and the only time I got a girl pregnant was when I failed to pull out. Everyone I know who is in a relationship uses the pullout and prey method and none of them has EVER had an unscheduled pregnancy. And this encompasses about 13 couples. This isn't B.C. its A.D. we know how the reproductive system works! My point is that with reasonably responsible sexual practices children could be prevented. If wasn't absolutely sure that girl was down with abortion and that abortions are available I would have pulled out, I only risked it because I knew those things. If I was on a spaceship I wouldn't take that risk!

You're right, this isn't B.C., so we know that a girl can get pregnate from preejaculate, which is why the "pull out" method isn't foolproof. It fails somewhere around 30% of the time with responsible use, so if all the people on the ship use your logic, some one's gonna get knocked up.

KEK
September 10th, 2010, 10:18 AM
I am sick of this logic. I have had sex alot and the only time I got a girl pregnant was when I failed to pull out. Everyone I know who is in a relationship uses the pullout and prey method and none of them has EVER had an unscheduled pregnancy. And this encompasses about 13 couples. This isn't B.C. its A.D. we know how the reproductive system works! My point is that with reasonably responsible sexual practices children could be prevented. If wasn't absolutely sure that girl was down with abortion and that abortions are available I would have pulled out, I only risked it because I knew those things. If I was on a spaceship I wouldn't take that risk!

Do you and your friends like near a nuclear power plant by any chance?

Sapphire_Jade
September 10th, 2010, 04:37 PM
You're right, this isn't B.C., so we know that a girl can get pregnate from preejaculate, which is why the "pull out" method isn't foolproof. It fails somewhere around 30% of the time with responsible use, so if all the people on the ship use your logic, some one's gonna get knocked up.

Thank you. You said it for me.

And gildor23 the pull out method isn't full proof you have just been very lucky. It's about how fertile the female and the male is. My best friend got pregnant while on birth control and using contraceptives which used together is supposed to be around like 99% effective. So if my friend got pregnant on birth control and because you can get pregnant off of preejaculate and they aren't using birth control on Destiny I say again it's only a matter of time.. unless the women have fertility issues and the men are all sterile which since they are all young and in their prime it's highly unlikely. Pregnancy is possible.

Captain Lazlo
September 10th, 2010, 10:14 PM
As we degenerate into talking about sexual practices on a PG thread, it is possible to have long term implants to avoid pregnancy, and I'm sure with advancing technology this will improve.
Can't we just avoid a few of these issues, and have some sci fi action scenes... We all know that fulfilled relationships in series tend to herald their cancellation from the networks.

gildor23
September 13th, 2010, 05:54 AM
Thank you. You said it for me.

And gildor23 the pull out method isn't full proof you have just been very lucky. It's about how fertile the female and the male is. My best friend got pregnant while on birth control and using contraceptives which used together is supposed to be around like 99% effective. So if my friend got pregnant on birth control and because you can get pregnant off of preejaculate and they aren't using birth control on Destiny I say again it's only a matter of time.. unless the women have fertility issues and the men are all sterile which since they are all young and in their prime it's highly unlikely. Pregnancy is possible.

I'm not saying its an absolute, my point is with knowladgeble practices there shouldn't be that many mistakes. Even condoms break.

gildor23
September 13th, 2010, 06:19 AM
As we degenerate into talking about sexual practices on a PG thread, it is possible to have long term implants to avoid pregnancy, and I'm sure with advancing technology this will improve.
Can't we just avoid a few of these issues, and have some sci fi action scenes... We all know that fulfilled relationships in series tend to herald their cancellation from the networks.

What is wrong with talking about sex? What are you religous? I mean with any luck we all get to do it at some point :)

Captain Lazlo
September 13th, 2010, 06:28 AM
What is wrong with talking about sex? What are you religous? I mean with any luck we all get to do it at some point :)
I am talking about sex here, I just think sometimes a bit of self control is useful, particularly in TV shows, I expect a bit more restraint and a better story.

Sapphire_Jade
September 28th, 2010, 07:51 PM
Well now that season 2 has started you don't have to worry about kids on destiny she apparently lost the baby and I was crying for her it was so sad!! and that pic was her "dreaming" while she was recovering in the infirmary. Not quite sure if it was a dream or not though. That nebula in the end was the same she saw on the planet..hmm but fact is there will be no baby on Destiny.

morbosfist
September 28th, 2010, 08:01 PM
Or was she? The episode is just fuzzy enough that maybe it really happened.

Sapphire_Jade
September 28th, 2010, 08:15 PM
true true.. it may have well happened.. still doesn't change the fact the baby isn't on Destiny and that's what the original poster was worried about

ciannwn
October 8th, 2010, 01:56 AM
I think that it gets sticky when kids are included in Sci fi--it's really hard to make it real because kids tend to take over one's life.

BSG was very realistic with a kid. Cally and Tyrol got married and then she had a baby. Babies can be very stressful at the best of times so this one added a lot more stress for Cally and Tyrol who still had to go on duty even if junior had been crying half the night.


When Wesley Crusher turned up in the Next Generation, he was a disaster.

DS9's Jake and Nog weren't disasters, though, because the writers didn't make them super geniuses who saved the space station several times a season. The O'Brien's had a kid in Next Gen and took her with them to DS9 but Molly didn't intrude and slow the plot down. Voyager's Naomi wasn't a super genius either and she was used in an imaginative way - she had a special friendship with Seven of Nine who'd missed out on her own childhood.


Sci-Fi starts to degenerate into soap. This is coming from a director who made a Sci Fi space feature with several children on board.

I'm beginning to think that Sci-Fi is a distinctly different entity to science fiction where characters can fall in love, get married and have kids without any accusations that it's soap.



I want to point out that life on Destiny is progressing faster our reality. Our one week is not a week to the show there have been a few episodes where months go by. So assuming that SGU does well and does 5 seasons like TPTB want it to. Then if the child does survive he/she could be around be 5 years old maybe older by the time the show ended.

Child actors can still age a lot faster than their characters, though. It's easy to replace one young baby with another because young babies tend to look alike. It's not going to be so easy to replace one kid with another when they've reached an age where they look like individuals. Naomi seemed to age faster than normal but viewers could 'explain' that by her father being an alien. They can't do that if the child is supposed to have two ordinary human parents, though.

Pharaoh Atem
October 8th, 2010, 07:45 PM
i'm glad her baby died it would take away from so much if you had to change a diaper every few scenes

darth_timon
October 9th, 2010, 01:46 AM
Kids don't have to ruin a show. In fact, with a bit of determined writing, they could have written the baby into the show- but portraying the difficulties looking after a baby in that environment would have been tough to pull off.

Janus
October 15th, 2010, 01:28 PM
The good old Captain Kirk didn't need children on his ship, they obviously had better control of their hormones then. When Wesley Crusher turned up in the Next Generation, he was a disaster. Sci-Fi starts to degenerate into soap. This is coming from a director who made a Sci Fi space feature with several children on board. From a production point of view it also becomes a nightmare with children on sets, short attention spans, always tired or hungry...for everyone's sake they're best left on some other planet :D

I disagree. I think a lot depends on the writers. Crusher was terrible because of the way he was written into/used in episodes. (If they hadn't put him behind the CONN station, it would have been 200 Percent better.) On top of that, we all know that real reason they banned Crusher to Starfleet Academy later on is because Will Wheaton can't act.

Janus
October 15th, 2010, 01:33 PM
DS9's Jake and Nog weren't disasters, though, because the writers didn't make them super geniuses who saved the space station several times a season. The O'Brien's had a kid in Next Gen and took her with them to DS9 but Molly didn't intrude and slow the plot down. Voyager's Naomi wasn't a super genius either and she was used in an imaginative way - she had a special friendship with Seven of Nine who'd missed out on her own childhood.

Indeed....Jake and Nog are proof that with proper writing, children can be assets to a show. (And the kids/young actors who played them CAN act. Underscoring why earlier point about Wheaton.)

rien
October 19th, 2010, 09:26 AM
I feel the need to point out that Aron Eisenberg, the actor who portrayed the character of Nog on DS9, was in fact 23-24 years old when he was first cast on the show so was neither a child or a young person :P also one of the reasons why wesley was so annoying was because the writers supposedly decided to have him save the ship in ONE episode and thought up a variety of scenarios to choose from only to later use all of these scenearios for filler eps when they couldnt think of anything more interesting.

I whole heartedly agree that whether a child works on a sci fi series is dependant upon the writing. unfortunately most people remember the bad portrayals better than the good ones.

I was slightly disappointed that that they didnt have a boxey in the reimagined battlestar. sure he was annoying in the original but they included him in the miniseries and then left him outta the series??? he could have been rewritten as a couple years older and maybe have him be amongst those left on caprica and therefore a feral child who gets rescued by helo and becomes a cool adoptive brother for hera who is left deeply disturbed due to alla death and chronic backstabbing going aboard galactica.

gildor23
November 6th, 2010, 08:34 AM
true true.. it may have well happened.. still doesn't change the fact the baby isn't on Destiny and that's what the original poster was worried about

No I was worried that the baby would effect the plot. That can still happen :(

Valen200
November 6th, 2010, 09:00 AM
I wish the child had been born and allowed to be on the ship. The difficulty of raising a chld in teh enviroment of Destiny could have been interesting. I never liked how voyager had a few token children. Bsg was a bit better, but I still felt like they tried to avoid children on the show.
As time progresses and a group of people realize that they have a new home and life, families and relationships are a natural outcome.

gildor23
November 6th, 2010, 09:55 AM
I wish the child had been born and allowed to be on the ship. The difficulty of raising a chld in teh enviroment of Destiny could have been interesting. I never liked how voyager had a few token children. Bsg was a bit better, but I still felt like they tried to avoid children on the show.
As time progresses and a group of people realize that they have a new home and life, families and relationships are a natural outcome.

In Valen's name NO!!!