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ckwongau
June 7th, 2010, 10:42 PM
Carter make the tough decision of abandon the 2 F-302 pilots and save the entire ship.
It was difficult decision ,but Sam make it , fast and right.

But why didn't Sam just try beam the pilot back first ,and then jump into hyper space.

304 captain has been trying beam everything for a while, an entire buidling, nuclear bombs.

The Wraith has jamming technolgoies, and yet the Captian has again and agin tried to beam the bomb onto their ship.
Sam tried to keep a beaming lock on Dr Rush when he met witht the lucian alliance .But they had anti jamming tech as well.
If there were too must EMP interference ,may be they could not beam them out


KLEINMAN: Colonel. I'm reading a huge energy spike. At this rate they've got less than a minute before their core goes up.

CARTER: Get our people out of the shielded areas and beam them back to the ship now

But they can beam the Earth 's ground force back before the planet explode, then they could beam the pilot.

So Why didn't Sam tried to beam the pilot back ?

When Col Shepard was trapped on a 302 with Wraith virus, the beaming antenna was destory , but they can still beam him out using primitive radio signal.

The Airforce must run battle simulation, and when the 304 needed to retreat, it doesn't have enough time to let the all 302 return .
so beam just the pilots would be logical alternative to abandoning them.

escyos
June 8th, 2010, 12:09 AM
there are already a hundred or so threads on this topic please use one of them

Alan Wake
June 8th, 2010, 01:20 AM
Good question ckwongau :)

I was wondering the same thing.

Green for you buddy.

Pharaoh Atem
June 8th, 2010, 05:34 AM
it's only 2 no big loss

YutheGreat
June 8th, 2010, 06:02 AM
The 302 was moving too slow to flee and too fast to get a lock

Gate Traveller
June 8th, 2010, 06:15 AM
what If? The 2 left behind by Sam, ate her lunch that she brought with her for the trip? After the BS she had put up with over the years, Col Carter does not have to put up with 2 soldiers who only care about eating her sandwiches so they don't have to go out and fly/fight on an empty stomach. Well guys... if you survive this, never eat Carter's food....lesson learned right?

Gate Traveller
June 8th, 2010, 06:17 AM
it's only 2 no big loss

Try telling THAT To their families back home.

Sam.
June 8th, 2010, 06:22 AM
Most likely so the writers could put in the bit later where O'Neill shouts at Young for not venting the gate room saying that Carter had to make a hard decision to save her ship and he should of too

Stormtrooper
June 8th, 2010, 06:32 AM
Carter had to be negligent so O'Neill could grind Young later. It's basically the character having to serve the plot and not the other way around, which is the first sign of a poorly, ill-constructed story.

jelgate
June 8th, 2010, 06:33 AM
It takes time to lock on someone and beam them back to the Hammond. Only about 30 seconds but in those scenarios every second counts

Steelbox
June 8th, 2010, 06:37 AM
Or the jamming field is bigger than you think. The fighters are faster so they reached to field before the ground troops made it into the field or even touched the ground.

s09119
June 8th, 2010, 08:34 AM
Try telling THAT To their families back home.

The military tells that to families back home all the time. Sometimes soldiers have to die, it's unfortunately part of the job description.

pipi
June 8th, 2010, 05:17 PM
The fighters must have anti beaming technology. I'd be pretty silly if your enemies could beam you out of your cockpit and into space...

dgh64
June 8th, 2010, 07:29 PM
It's also pretty silly if you can't turn off your own anti-beaming tech in a life-or-death situation...

ckwongau
June 8th, 2010, 08:27 PM
The fighters must have anti beaming technology. I'd be pretty silly if your enemies could beam you out of your cockpit and into space...

Who else has beaming tech in the milkyway?
Anubis stole some beaming tech from Thor's mind, and he probably pass on to Ba'al .When Ba'al die ,it is possible somebody has access to it.
But Anubis's Asgard beaming tech are primitive, without asgard sensor they need locator to lock on someone.

BC 304 has advance asgard sensor ,302's pilot could have special locator , like the one use by airforce to search missing pilot, they could turn it on in ememgency for beaming out .

In SGA episode, when Col Shepard trapped onboard a F 302 infected with Wraith artigical intelligence viruse, and Daedulas's scanner array was destory, they still able to beam hiom out using primitive radio signal.

Inquisitor
June 8th, 2010, 09:02 PM
It was purely for story telling; they needed an example of 'making the right decision'.

Pharaoh Atem
June 8th, 2010, 09:09 PM
Try telling THAT To their families back home.

yea sad i guess but think of the money the families now have. set for life.

natyanayaki
June 8th, 2010, 09:23 PM
The LA had an area which prevented beaming, which was the initial reason that the 302s were sent. When the planet lost stability, Carter ordered a retreat of the 302s, to an area in which they could be beamed out, 2 of them weren't able to make it out of the shielded area.

pipi
June 8th, 2010, 11:47 PM
Who else has beaming tech in the milkyway?.

If the Lucian Alliance can procure projectile firearms from Earth, it's only a matter of time before they get some beaming going. Many rogue elements to source from. Including the people who stole the stargate out of the SGC. Can't remember if they were completely dismantled, there will always be undercover agents.

Steelbox
June 9th, 2010, 05:59 AM
If the Lucian Alliance can procure projectile firearms from Earth, it's only a matter of time before they get some beaming going. Many rogue elements to source from. Including the people who stole the stargate out of the SGC. Can't remember if they were completely dismantled, there will always be undercover agents.

Yes, but Asgard beaming Tech is somehow scarse in the black market.

dgh64
June 9th, 2010, 09:35 AM
If the Lucian Alliance can procure projectile firearms from Earth, it's only a matter of time before they get some beaming going. Many rogue elements to source from. Including the people who stole the stargate out of the SGC. Can't remember if they were completely dismantled, there will always be undercover agents.

It's one thing for Telford or another spy to grab an Earth gun and bring it to the LA so they can duplicate it. It's another thing entirely to dismantle the beaming tech, or any other part of a battlecruiser, and sneak it away without anyone noticing. I think the LA are much more likely to gain beaming tech from something Anubis left behind.

ckwongau
June 9th, 2010, 07:32 PM
It's one thing for Telford or another spy to grab an Earth gun and bring it to the LA so they can duplicate it. It's another thing entirely to dismantle the beaming tech, or any other part of a battlecruiser, and sneak it away without anyone noticing. I think the LA are much more likely to gain beaming tech from something Anubis left behind.

Earth's gun is cheap ,and projectile firearms can be procure from many other planet.

And it is not the beaming tech , it is the advance Asgard sensor , Anubis 's beam need some locator signal to lock on someone.

pipi
June 9th, 2010, 08:16 PM
There's not detector for brainwashing. So with time the entire crew can be brain washed, or only the technicians down on Earth who would be easy prey when they go home. It's impossible to determine the extend of the Lucian Alliance's reach. Just like Ball's network of agents. They could be everywhere and anywhere.

ckwongau
June 10th, 2010, 07:39 PM
There's not detector for brainwashing. So with time the entire crew can be brain washed, or only the technicians down on Earth who would be easy prey when they go home. It's impossible to determine the extend of the Lucian Alliance's reach. Just like Ball's network of agents. They could be everywhere and anywhere.

actually there are detector for brainwashing, The Tok'ra invented it.
They use a device similar to Goa'uld memories device, but it compare the conscious memories and the unconscious memories.And check for inconsistence .
But it wasn't very reliable.
For example, Sam 's feeling for Jack , and her refusal to admit it .the machine interpret her result as brainwash victim.
After a decade perhaps the To'kra has prefected it.

May be it is about time to use the Tok'ra detector.
In real life, government worker, or defence contractor , and military require to get t polygraph session. People fail the test could lose their securiity clearance.
A polygraph is not reliable and not admissable in court.But US governement still use it for security reason.
People fail may not be because they are guilty , may be for some other reason as well.
Like in "Medium", ALison 's husband fail the test , because when he was ask if he notice anything strange in his life.( or some question like it) .
His wife talk to dead people, but he can't tell people about it.

fmbchris
June 10th, 2010, 08:18 PM
because the writers are all male

jelgate
June 10th, 2010, 08:21 PM
because the writers are all male

How is that even relevent and no their is a female freelance writer

Infinite-Possibilities
August 2nd, 2010, 03:37 PM
I wouldn't have had a problem with Carter not beaming them back if it wasn't for the fact that, she did exactly that in the first episode didn't she? I thought that was a little weird.

Pharaoh Atem
August 2nd, 2010, 03:40 PM
interferences from the radiation from the planet

Infinite-Possibilities
August 2nd, 2010, 03:42 PM
Wouldn't the first planet have that same problem?

GateroomGuard
August 2nd, 2010, 06:37 PM
There are also 2 302s pilots unacounted for. There were 2 302s left behind and O'Neil said Carter only lost 2 people.

Ser Scot A Ellison
August 4th, 2010, 06:36 AM
Gate Traveller,


what If? The 2 left behind by Sam, ate her lunch that she brought with her for the trip? After the BS she had put up with over the years, Col Carter does not have to put up with 2 soldiers who only care about eating her sandwiches so they don't have to go out and fly/fight on an empty stomach. Well guys... if you survive this, never eat Carter's food....lesson learned right?

"MY SANDWICH????????!!!!!!!!"

kache
August 17th, 2010, 03:42 PM
Pointless, being that the F-302 has a hyperspace engine.
The really strange thing is that she didn't tell the F-302 pilots to run using those engines...

escyos
August 17th, 2010, 10:52 PM
Pointless, being that the F-302 has a hyperspace engine.
The really strange thing is that she didn't tell the F-302 pilots to run using those engines...

F-302's dont have hyperdrives, the X-302 did, but it was removed for the F-302 because they couldnt get it to work properly

kache
August 18th, 2010, 06:09 AM
F-302's dont have hyperdrives, the X-302 did, but it was removed for the F-302 because they couldnt get it to work properly
It wasn't removed, just modified:

The hyperdrive, which had originally been intended to allow interstellar travel, was altered to provide only short intra-system hops.
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/F-302_fighter-interceptor

jelgate
August 18th, 2010, 07:57 AM
The Stargate wikia is known to be highly inaccurate

escyos
August 18th, 2010, 06:50 PM
It wasn't removed, just modified:

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/F-302_fighter-interceptor

there is no proof to suggest the F-302 has a hyperdrive, but the X-302 did


The Stargate wikia is known to be highly inaccurate

actually its not so much anymore (thanks to me) but it does include lots of things i think are not canon, such as books, rpg, etc

Sami_
August 20th, 2010, 08:41 AM
But why didn't Sam just try beam the pilot back first ,and then jump into hyper space.

She's incompetent.

I'm not sure why they have Air Force officers commanding these ships anyway, it would seem to me like a Navy Captain would be a closer fit.

webxro
August 24th, 2010, 01:30 PM
Can we please not get into the Navy-vs-Air force thing for the third time , it a bit upset after a while

Sami_
August 24th, 2010, 07:52 PM
Can we please not get into the Navy-vs-Air force thing for the third time , it a bit upset after a while

Where are the first and second times?

webxro
August 25th, 2010, 04:18 AM
well just use the forum search , there where a lot , but most of topic didn't start out as navy vs air force they just got there

Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble
August 25th, 2010, 07:55 AM
Just because the LA use projectile weapons doesn't mean they got them from earth as they have been using them since season 9 of sg-1.

webxro
August 25th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Human projectile weapons are better , if they are smart they will buy then .