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Eestlanna
June 6th, 2010, 01:55 PM
I mean, they just run around the corner to hide from the LA and now they are suddenly so lost that they have to walk back for hours and maybe even days? It doesn't make any sense. Are they still onboard at all? Are they in some kind of alternate reality or back in time or ...?

Gollumpus
June 6th, 2010, 02:04 PM
They're still on board. Eli is doing the usual guy thing and is refusing to ask for directions...

regards,
G.

PS - oh, and there was that random destination elevator thing.

Adrian_Jackson
June 6th, 2010, 02:05 PM
Not to be rude - but maybe you should pay attention to the episode before accusing it of not making any sense. They entered an elevator and Eli pressed some random buttons on it which took them to the front of the ship.

brian_177
June 6th, 2010, 02:15 PM
They're still on board. Eli is doing the usual guy thing and is refusing to ask for directions...

All he has to do is make a joke about a map that says "You Are Here", and a few hours later Chloe will realize that some markings that they had all assumed were just part of the ship's motif are actually literal "You Are Here" signs. Too bad we're dealing with 'tired, shot Chloe' and not 'spunky, clever, Daniel Jackson reading Chloe.'

hedwig
June 6th, 2010, 02:15 PM
And I'm pretty sure he said something to Chloe about the two of them being in an as yet unexplored section of the ship.:)

brian_177
June 6th, 2010, 02:18 PM
In defense of the original post, I think the person was merely saying that it seems like a contrived plot device. We know they've had periods where they do nothing but sit around and live on the ship for weeks. It seems odd they wouldn't be actively exploring the ship--although perhaps they are and they just haven't happened past this section yet.

Osiristi
June 6th, 2010, 02:24 PM
They couldn't have explored it. As Eli said, so many sections of the ship around there are exposed to space that they have to be very careful opening doors. And even the life support is off because of that.

brian_177
June 6th, 2010, 02:29 PM
They occupy part of the ship... and they had no trouble telling which hallways and rooms were venting atmosphere so they could close them off.. it was simply a matter of looking at the ship's computers. Heck, we even see Telford and a few LA dudes use an area that is venting atmosphere as a shortcut to the good guys--a section that had previously been closed off.

Why would it be any different for the rest of the ship?

Eestlanna
June 6th, 2010, 02:31 PM
They entered an elevator and Eli pressed some random buttons on it which took them to the front of the ship.I know that. But shouldn't they now try to find the right button instead of running from Alaska to Alabama? It's just weird.

jelgate
June 6th, 2010, 02:32 PM
I know that. But shouldn't they now try to find the right button instead of running from Alaska to Alabama? It's just weird.
Waiting to long in finding the right button could have led to death

Eestlanna
June 6th, 2010, 02:35 PM
Waiting to long in finding the right button could have led to death
Running from Alaska to Alabama would certainly lead to death. I'd try buttons. The ship is too big to run back, especially if you really don't know which way to go.

jelgate
June 6th, 2010, 02:39 PM
Running from Alaska to Alabama would certainly lead to death. I'd try buttons. The ship is too big to run back, especially if you really don't know which way to go.
Death is definatly possible as they try to find their way back. But death was a lot higher just staying in that elevator

Major_Griff
June 6th, 2010, 03:01 PM
Running from Alaska to Alabama would certainly lead to death. I'd try buttons. The ship is too big to run back, especially if you really don't know which way to go.

If you're suggesting that they just hit buttons in the elevator until they get back, Eli said that someone locked out the elevators after they used it.

Kyarra
June 6th, 2010, 03:15 PM
I know that. But shouldn't they now try to find the right button instead of running from Alaska to Alabama? It's just weird.

it's sci-fi, m'dear... wierd comes with the territory... :)

magictrick
June 6th, 2010, 04:12 PM
I know that. But shouldn't they now try to find the right button instead of running from Alaska to Alabama? It's just weird.

They were under machine gun fire from the Lucian Alliance. I doubt anyone in that situation would be thinking ahead when facing death in the face.

eonflux
June 6th, 2010, 04:15 PM
Running from Alaska to Alabama would certainly lead to death. I'd try buttons. The ship is too big to run back, especially if you really don't know which way to go.

Elevator controls are locked out so he can press whatever he wants but it won't work.

brian_177
June 6th, 2010, 04:32 PM
I know that. But shouldn't they now try to find the right button instead of running from Alaska to Alabama? It's just weird.

I'm with you, Eestlanna. Everyone knows that if you're lost you hug a tree, or in our case stay in the elevator and do your best to get back from there. But television doesn't work that way.

Phenom
June 6th, 2010, 07:06 PM
It appears that everytime anything happens in SGU now it is a 'contrived plot device'.

I think it is entirely logical that he would jump in the elevator and push random buttons to get the hell away from the shooting. Shortly after the elevators are locked out. Where is the issue people?

brian_177
June 6th, 2010, 07:44 PM
It's only an issue if they find something or someone of value while they're stuck in that section of the ship. If that happened, we'd have gone from them running from a fire fight into an elevator, pressing random buttons (rather than buttons that make sense and take them to one of the designated safe zones) and ending up in an unexplored section of the ship.. immediately after the controls to the elevator are locked off (they missed missing the elevator by a hair), and then they find something useful. That's too many coincidences in my opinion.

They could just have easily had Eli explain their situation by saying that he and Rush had discovered (as a random example) the location of the bridge a few weeks ago, but that section of the ship was too unsafe. Then if they do find the bridge (again, just a random example) and save the day, it's been Eli's plan all along rather than just a ucatastrophe.

Edit: I'm going to clarify what I'm saying with an example from the same episode. When Young orders that Telford is killed, he has a reason for doing it. He's trying to break the brainwash. We aren't told this, but Young does. He even explicitly tells Scott "I know what I'm doing." This way, when the brain washing wears off and Telford warns them all they're in danger, it seems like a likely course of events.

On the other hand, let's say Young killed Telford just for revenge, or he too the torture too far and Telford died. If Telford was then revived and was cured, warning them that they're in danger... it seems like an fantastic bit of luck for Destiny.

In short: If Eli and Chloe are running for their lives and Eli in a fit of desperation presses some buttons and takes them somewhere they've never been, that's fine. If they find something useful for what is about to transpire in Incursion, Part 2... that's a contrived plot device.

kwlafayette
June 6th, 2010, 09:33 PM
I agree, they seem to be setting up for Eli to find a BFG9000 and the code for degreelessness. It would be nice if he found something interesting, something that answered questions about Destiny, but not something that immediately saved the ship.

Coronach
June 7th, 2010, 01:32 PM
Just gonna quote a couple posts so people stop overlooking this:


If you're suggesting that they just hit buttons in the elevator until they get back, Eli said that someone locked out the elevators after they used it.



Elevator controls are locked out so he can press whatever he wants but it won't work.

I'm very interested to see what Eli and Chloe find while out there. It's actually kind of cool that they're exploring new parts of the ship. :)

MattSilver 3k
June 7th, 2010, 01:41 PM
I'm very interested to see what Eli and Chloe find while out there. It's actually kind of cool that they're exploring new parts of the ship.

I think it's kinda fun to have in a crisis too because it has a nice tension. What with her bleeding out, him going a few hours without food and the fact that the next corridor they find could vent them into space.

Hey, do you think Chloe'll be walking around with a gun crutch at the start of next season? That'd be way too cool for words, but I'll try: WOO!

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 7th, 2010, 03:13 PM
I think it's kinda fun to have in a crisis too because it has a nice tension. What with her bleeding out, him going a few hours without food and the fact that the next corridor they find could vent them into space.

Hey, do you think Chloe'll be walking around with a gun crutch at the start of next season? That'd be way too cool for words, but I'll try: WOO!That is such an awesome image :p Not as awesome as Young and his gun crutch...but it's close :D

Major_Griff
June 7th, 2010, 03:20 PM
Yeah the gun crutch was great. I don't know if they'd want to give Chloe a gun, though. She was part of the attempted coup, after all. Though I guess they could give her an unloaded gun, which they would probably do anyway since she has no idea how to use one.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 7th, 2010, 03:23 PM
Yeah the gun crutch was great. I don't know if they'd want to give Chloe a gun, though. She was part of the attempted coup, after all. Though I guess they could give her an unloaded gun, which they would probably do anyway since she has no idea how to use one.

Chloe strikes me as someone that could learn well enough :)

hedwig
June 7th, 2010, 03:56 PM
Chloe strikes me as someone that could learn well enough :)

I was going to say that she could use some of the Lucian Alliance for target practice ..... but that wouldn't be very nice, would it? :p:D

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 7th, 2010, 04:00 PM
I was going to say that she could use some of the Lucian Alliance for target practice ..... but that wouldn't be very nice, would it? :p:D

well, from my perspective, yes, but I'm not Chloe, :lol:

dgh64
June 7th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Young's gun crutch was before they started regularly visiting the Canadian forest. I think now they'd be able to give Chloe a crutch made out of wood.

People randomly doing things that just happen to help out in some major way later on happens all the time in scifi, but I don't think Eli is going to find the armory/bridge/selectively-beam-Lucian-Alliance-into-space-button. I think with Chloe hurt, and the way he feels about her, he's going to do everything he can to get her back to the explored part of the ship, even if that means walking right past the door that says "This is the most important part of the ship." I mean, for all he knows, we've successfully repelled the invasion and the only thing wrong in the world is Chloe's gunshot wound. Getting her to the infirmary is, in his mind, the top priority, and he can come back and check out the room full of glowing crystals later.

Avenger
June 7th, 2010, 05:05 PM
Finding a magic means to defeat the LA doesn't fit with the tone of the show, either. They'll probably finding something important, but something that won't solve to problem on its own.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 7th, 2010, 05:09 PM
Finding a magic means to defeat the LA doesn't fit with the tone of the show, either. They'll probably finding something important, but something that won't solve to problem on its own.

so far, Eli has managed to make neat uses of things that may not have been intended for that purpose so even if he finds something that isn't super astounding (yes, I just liked typing that :lol: ) he may put it to an unexpected use