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Briangate78
June 5th, 2010, 09:18 AM
What do you think?

Kiva vs SGA's Kolya

I've seen so many comparisons.

1.) Both military leaders of their people
2.) Both trying to infiltrate an ancient ship/city.
3.) Both don't care who they have to kill, and will even kill one of their own to get their way.
4.) Both use Torture to a real high extreme.
5.) Both kill people in cold blood.

Who is more ruthless?

major davis
June 5th, 2010, 09:21 AM
What do you think?

Kiva vs SGA's Kolya

I've seen so many comparisons.

1.) Both military leaders of their people
2.) Both trying to infiltrate an ancient ship/city.
3.) Both don't care who they have to kill, and will even kill one of their own to get their way.
4.) Both use Torture to a real high extreme.
5.) Both kill people in cold blood.

Who is more ruthless?

Kinda hard to say.... as we haven't seen much of Kiva.. Additionally, SGU has a more serious tone then SGA did so its hard to compare villans from each show as they are probably going to be portrayed more ruthless on SGU.

But I would say Kiva.. You might see why in Incursion part 2.. Plus she was ready to kill a pregnant medic in cold blood.. I almost doubt Kolya would do that.

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 09:22 AM
Interesting. I like Kolya better right now. He was one of the best characters on SGA until his untimely and poorly handled demise in 'Irresponsible'. Kiva has potential though. We'll have to see what happens in the coming episode(s).

Briangate78
June 5th, 2010, 09:22 AM
Kinda hard to say.... as we haven't seen much of Kiva.. Additionally, SGU has a more serious tone then SGA did so its hard to compare villans from each show as they are probably going to be portrayed more ruthless on SGU.

But I would say Kiva.. You might see why in Incursion part 2.. Plus she was ready to kill a pregnant medic in cold blood.. I almost doubt Kolya would do that.

Koyla killed two guards in cold blood when he first walked through the gate. He also in "Common Ground" tortured Sheppard to near death. SGA was a very serious show, so not sure why that would make it any different? :confused:

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 09:23 AM
Besides being villians who want to thrawt the main characters the comparassion stops there

Briangate78
June 5th, 2010, 09:24 AM
Interesting. I like Kolya better right now. He was one of the best characters on SGA until his untimely and poorly handled demise in 'Irresponsible'. Kiva has potential though. We'll have to see what happens in the coming episode(s).

They made up for it a little in "Remnants", but it was not a good way to end his character in "Irresponsible" but I think I like Kiva so much because she is very much like Koyla, and is one of my favorite bad guy characters on SGA. He truly added a lot of dark drama to the show, as does Kiva.

Briangate78
June 5th, 2010, 09:25 AM
Oh and

6.) Both their names begin with "K" LOL!! :p

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 09:28 AM
They made up for it a little in "Remnants", but it was not a good way to end his character in "Irresponsible" but I think I like Kiva so much because she is very much like Koyla, and is one of my favorite bad guy characters on SGA. He truly added a lot of dark drama to the show, as does Kiva.

Yeah, but for me it's pretty much unforgivable that one of the best villains in the whole SG franchise was discarded like that.


Oh and

6.) Both their names begin with "K" LOL!! :p

and end with an "A"

thekillman
June 5th, 2010, 09:36 AM
same amount of syllabels:

Kol-Ya
KI-Va.

MattSilver 3k
June 5th, 2010, 09:37 AM
Well as long as she doesn't get killed off in a whacky fun episode about Lucius Lavan...

Briangate78
June 5th, 2010, 09:38 AM
Well as long as she doesn't get killed off in a whacky fun episode about Lucius Lavan...

Episode 211

"Irreplaceable"

Lucious Lavin boards the Destiny and the crew falls for his love potion and replaces Young as commander.

:eek: :p

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 09:44 AM
Episode 211

"Irreplaceable"

Lucious Lavin boards the Destiny and the crew falls for his love potion and replaces Young as commander.

:eek: :p

Green. I literally lol'd.

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Episode 211

"Irreplaceable"

Lucious Lavin boards the Destiny and the crew falls for his love potion and replaces Young as commander.

:eek: :p
Well at least it will make Rush happy for once

MattSilver 3k
June 5th, 2010, 10:05 AM
Episode 211

"Irreplaceable"

Lucious Lavin boards the Destiny and the crew falls for his love potion and replaces Young as commander.

:eek: :p

You lose points for spelling Lucius as a word too close to "luscious". ;)

thekillman
June 5th, 2010, 10:45 AM
episode 211: "Intoxication". everyone gets drunk, and an alien with a rape drug goes on a rampage..

Alien encounter
June 5th, 2010, 11:09 AM
well i think kiva needs to be shot between her eyes the next time she is seen, to avoid further damage.....

i donno if that was what when i saw kolya too, cause i don't remember.:S

KEK
June 5th, 2010, 11:17 AM
Kiva comes across as more cold blooded to me, I doubt Kolya would have been so willing to blow a pregnant woman's brains out.

Alan Wake
June 5th, 2010, 11:42 AM
What do you think?

Kiva vs SGA's Kolya

I've seen so many comparisons.

1.) Both military leaders of their people
2.) Both trying to infiltrate an ancient ship/city.
3.) Both don't care who they have to kill, and will even kill one of their own to get their way.
4.) Both use Torture to a real high extreme.
5.) Both kill people in cold blood.

Who is more ruthless?

Good comparison!

Although now I have a nasty image of Kolya's head on her body :P

MattSilver 3k
June 5th, 2010, 11:43 AM
All that leather... if Kolya had a porn 'stache, he could pull it off.

Briangate78
June 5th, 2010, 12:03 PM
All that leather... if Kolya had a porn 'stache, he could pull it off.

Kiva & Kolya presents: Hot Destiny Leather Fetish Nights! :eek: :p

MattSilver 3k
June 5th, 2010, 12:08 PM
Kiva & Kolya presents: Hot Destiny Leather Fetish Nights! :eek: :p

Special Guest Stars: Dr Park and Sgt Greer.

EvilSpaceAlien
June 5th, 2010, 12:09 PM
Right now I'm going with Kiva. She just seems more ruthless to me.


6.) Both their names begin with "K" LOL!! :p


and end with an "A"


same amount of syllabels:

Kol-Ya
KI-Va.

It's a conspiracy. :eek: *puts on tinfoil hat* :weiranime42:

Also, I can't get the Glee cover of "Give Up the Funk" out of my head. I keep playing it over and over on my computer. I'm also singing and dancing along with it and I never do that! Although that part may have something to do with me being slightly intoxicated..... :weiranime42:

Ragitsu
June 5th, 2010, 02:09 PM
Can you please NOT post spoilers of characters from other series?

EvilSpaceAlien
June 5th, 2010, 02:11 PM
Can you please NOT post spoilers of characters from other series?

Well, it's not against the GW rules to do so since the episodes we're talking about have already aired in US syndication.

Ragitsu
June 5th, 2010, 02:19 PM
I was hoping courtesy would be used, not a memorization of rules or laws.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 5th, 2010, 02:20 PM
I don't get why stuff about Kiva in the Incursion folder should be spoilered? Unless you're talking about something else?

Ragitsu
June 5th, 2010, 02:23 PM
I don't get why stuff about Kiva in the Incursion folder should be spoilered? Unless you're talking about something else?

Kolya, actually. That is why I said "other series".

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 02:30 PM
Kolya, actually. That is why I said "other series".

GW rules say that when the episode finishes airing in US syndication it is no longer required to be spoiler tagged. That happens months ago if you mean Remants. Years if we're going to Irresponsible. I don't see the issue

Ragitsu
June 5th, 2010, 02:32 PM
GW rules say that when the episode finishes airing in US syndication it is no longer required to be spoiler tagged. That happens months ago if you mean Remants. Years if we're going to Irresponsible. I don't see the issue

Again, these "rules" shouldn't factor in: it's a separate character in a separate series, one which not everyone has seen as of yet. Spoiler tags should have been used, and edited in (if still possible).

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 02:34 PM
Again, these "rules" shouldn't factor in: it's a separate character in a separate series, one which not everyone has seen as of yet. Spoiler tags should have been used, and edited in (if still possible).

So If I mention something from season 1 of SG-1 I should use spoiler tags since some people might be just starting to watch SG-1?

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 02:35 PM
Again, these "rules" shouldn't factor in: it's a separate character in a separate series, one which not everyone has seen as of yet. Spoiler tags should have been used, and edited in (if still possible).

Take it up with Darren then. His place, his rules about what you can say about other series. We tie in other series all the time when we try to make our point the argument. Its natural other series will get mention. Their has to be a cutoff or every post that mentions any episode in the Stargate series would tagged.

KEK
June 5th, 2010, 03:04 PM
Again, these "rules" shouldn't factor in: it's a separate character in a separate series, one which not everyone has seen as of yet. Spoiler tags should have been used, and edited in (if still possible).

You're on a Stargate forum. Common sense should be used.

Ragitsu
June 5th, 2010, 03:20 PM
Their has to be a cutoff or every post that mentions any episode in the Stargate series would tagged.

That's what spoiler tags are for, and note that a death of a semi-recurring character is markedly different from someone eating a sandwich or breathing.


You're on a Stargate forum. Common sense should be used.

As should common courtesy.

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 03:22 PM
That's what spoiler tags are for, and note that a death is markedly different from someone eating a sandwich or breathing.



As should common courtesy.

Still a rather old spoiler and still doesn't need to be tagged as per the rules. If you don't like it no one is forcing you to stay here

Ragitsu
June 5th, 2010, 03:25 PM
Still a rather old spoiler and still doesn't need to be tagged as per the rules.

What does age have to do with something that can be viewed in many different formats, at any time? Not everyone watched the episodes when they were first broadcasted.

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 03:27 PM
What does age have to do with something that can be viewed in many different formats, at any time? Not everyone watched the episodes when they were first broadcasted.

Because where does it end? Should I put a spoiler if I mention something from S1 of SG-1 just because someone might be just getting around to it? The rules say that after an ep has aired in syndication you don't need tags. The world doesn't revolve around your viewing habits.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 5th, 2010, 03:30 PM
Again, these "rules" shouldn't factor in: it's a separate character in a separate series, one which not everyone has seen as of yet. Spoiler tags should have been used, and edited in (if still possible).

there are lots of people that likely haven't seen a lot of old episodes, so at what point do you want to make the cut off? If it's already been aired in the US, then I don't see why it needs to be spoilered, whether you've seen it or not. I could see your point if it was an episode NO ONE had seen before, but that's really not the case, is it?

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 03:30 PM
What does age have to do with something that can be viewed in many different formats, at any time? Not everyone watched the episodes when they were first broadcasted.

Sites with this you have to go with the masses. On the other side its unfair to have people spoiler tag for every single episode since Children of the Gods so you have the go with the majority which for whatever reason Darren has said its after US syndication since by then the majortiy have seen those episodes

KEK
June 5th, 2010, 03:43 PM
As should common courtesy.

It's unreasonable to expect people on a Stargate forum to use spoiler tags for comments on an episode that aired about 4 years ago. The show itself is laced with potential spoilers from the other two series, never mind the forum.

Briangate78
June 5th, 2010, 04:04 PM
The entire series has run in US syndication so all bets are off. Sorry, but spoiler tags are not required for SG-1 or SGA plot discussions.

RJLCyberPunk
June 5th, 2010, 08:55 PM
same amount of syllabels:

Kol-Ya
KI-Va.

Wow that is a lot of coincidences. I am having a Twilight Zone, Outer Limits moment with all this.:daniel:

One could draw endless analogies I mean there is another thread comparing her to Cain of NBSG and so on.

There are parallels to be sure but the characters motivations are not the same. Kolia was ruthless but the Geni had a chain of command that his orders were followed and no one dared not too. In the case of Kiva is clear that if he orders someone not killed even if it fails them there is no guarantee that another LA member won't finish him or her up.

Kiva probably has to watch her back all the time so it does not literally end up with a dagger on it, Kolia did not had that problem.

GateroomGuard
June 5th, 2010, 08:56 PM
Kiva and Kolya would've made a good couple. I'm officially shipping Kiva/Kolya.

RJLCyberPunk
June 5th, 2010, 08:59 PM
Kiva and Kolya would've made a good couple. I'm officially shipping Kiva/Kolya.

Well problem is that Kolia is dead mate, maybe someone cloned him like they did Becket though, who knows right? :D

GateroomGuard
June 5th, 2010, 09:00 PM
Well problem is that Kolia is dead mate, maybe someone cloned him like they did Becket though, who knows right? :D

Did we see the body?

garhkal
June 6th, 2010, 03:19 AM
Kiva comes across as more cold blooded to me, I doubt Kolya would have been so willing to blow a pregnant woman's brains out.

Actually, to me Kiva is a lot more bloodthirsty than Kolya.. he never killed one of his own, just cause someone else called them incompetant.

RJLCyberPunk
June 6th, 2010, 07:44 AM
Actually, to me Kiva is a lot more bloodthirsty than Kolya.. he never killed one of his own, just cause someone else called them incompetant. That's because both are products of their environments. Kolia was born and raised in a militaristic society but still one of order and discipline. Kiva on the other hand was raised in a society of thugs where the only law is the law of the gun or the knife.

Major_Griff
June 6th, 2010, 07:49 AM
That's because both are products of their environments. Kolia was born and raised in a militaristic society but still one of order and discipline. Kiva on the other hand was raised in a society of thugs where the only law is the law of the gun or the knife.

Well the LA has only been around since S8 of SG-1 or so, so she couldn't have been raised in that culture. It's more likely that she was raised as a Goa'uld slave, which would be where she learned brutality.

garhkal
June 8th, 2010, 04:41 AM
Or she was one herself, and the Tok;ra removed her symbiot. But she learned to love the evil in her./

longlobo
June 13th, 2010, 08:58 PM
Come on, it is unfair to compare Kolya and Kiva. Human in Pegasus galaxy were facing Wraith attack at that time, what Kolya did was for the good of his ppl. What happen to LA? Goa'uld is gone, Ori is gone. They have been sitting in a peaceful galaxy and doing drug trafficking.

garhkal
June 16th, 2010, 05:01 AM
That may be, but she is still the MW version of him. Cold, calculating and evil.