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J_schinderlin56
June 4th, 2010, 09:26 PM
You're the Lucian Alliance, your goal is to rule the Galaxy.

Why strand yourself 20 Billion light years away on some old rust bucket with no way to get back?

You can't bring the ship back, you can't control the ship, even if you could turn it around it would take hundreds of thousands of years to get back. You have no way to send technology you find on the ship, or specifications on how to reverse engineer that technology back. And you have no way back.

You've got a planet full of Naquadria perfect for making really powerful weapons, why waste your time with the Destiny. Why risk getting your people killed for no reason? Even the people who are on Destiny don't want to be there.

Again, What's the point?

GateroomGuard
June 4th, 2010, 09:29 PM
Because they can and their the villains? I mean what other reason do they need?

jelgate
June 4th, 2010, 09:29 PM
To learn whats out there including threats

HaMm3r
June 4th, 2010, 09:31 PM
Ditto. The LA better know something really awesome about Destiny that the Icarus team doesn't to make it all worth it.

AquaGamer53
June 4th, 2010, 09:34 PM
They even had a way to unlock the doors, which I wonder if that was something they made or found...

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 09:35 PM
The LA know things about destiny that earth doesn't.

J_schinderlin56
June 4th, 2010, 09:38 PM
Unless they have a Super Gate, and black hole to power it so that they can bring Destiny back to the MW , anything they know is pretty much worthless.

It's like the "Torment of Tantalus", the secrets of the universe are worthless if you can't do anything with them.

jelgate
June 4th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Unless they have a Super Gate, and black hole to power it so that they can bring Destiny back to the MW , anything they know is pretty much worthless.

It's like the "Torment of Tantalus", the secrets of the universe are worthless if you can't do anything with them.

Not if they can communicate with the Milky Way

GateroomGuard
June 4th, 2010, 09:40 PM
Maybe they know where Destiny is going? The ship is called Destiny, maybe it's taking them to a place that will advance humanity beyond comprehension.

AquaGamer53
June 4th, 2010, 09:43 PM
It really shows what kind of resources and training the LA has by the way they infiltrated Destiny. I mean, they had an Ancient Key! Which I wonder if that was found or made by the LA...

But, then again, the LA came aboard to take the ship, not last out a siege. They didn't look like they brought food or meds, so I wonder what their game plan ways if they didn't get any hostages to barter.

Also, the LA kept boasting how good their Intel was, but one of their guys still managed get get killed by the gate exhust...

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 09:44 PM
shows you how much telford knew.

Save Chloe
June 4th, 2010, 09:45 PM
There must really be something special about Destiny, and I really really want to know. I'm going to have to gate aboard myself!

ns2
June 4th, 2010, 09:45 PM
They prob knew that they were going to steal food from the crew or the next planet
we don't what is in those things they brought

J_schinderlin56
June 4th, 2010, 09:49 PM
Not if they can communicate with the Milky Way

How are they going to do that? Even if they have stones, it would still be extremely difficult to send back exact technical specifications. Besides, the ship seems like a piece of junk compared to Atlantis.

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 09:50 PM
To learn whats out there including threats

that are a billion lights years from earth>?

GateroomGuard
June 4th, 2010, 09:54 PM
I finally figured out where Destiny is going and why the Lucian Alliance want in. It's taking them to a black Monolith floating out in space as "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" plays.

jelgate
June 4th, 2010, 09:58 PM
that are a billion lights years from earth>?

Now. But what if we find a way to get into Destiny's computer?

VampyreWraith
June 4th, 2010, 09:59 PM
i think they hope to find out what the can about it and the ancients and any possible powerful weapons. or maybe they think they can fix it or something and bring it back to the milky way to use as a weapon.

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 09:59 PM
Now. But what if we find a way to get into Destiny's computer?

it still would take them a million years to get to the milky way galaxy. ..and destiny can't dial out.

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 10:00 PM
i think they hope to find out what the can about it and the ancients and any possible powerful weapons. or maybe they think they can fix it or something and bring it back to the milky way to use as a weapon.

again it will take destny a million years to reach the milky way... there's no point in bring it back.

J_schinderlin56
June 4th, 2010, 10:01 PM
By the way I did a few calculations, and I might be off here. Young said that they were 20 Billion Light Years from Earth.

A 304 With a ZPM powered Hyper Drive reached Atlantis ( 3 Million Light years) in 4 days. Giving it a top speed of 274 Million times the Speed of Light.

With an endless supply of ZPMs, and an indestructible Hyperdrive, and not stopping for any reason, The Hammond could reach the Destiny's position in about 73 Thousand Years. That's how far out they are just for reference.

jelgate
June 4th, 2010, 10:01 PM
it still would take them a million years to get to the milky way galaxy. ..and destiny can't dial out.
To deliver in person yes. But their are other ways to transmit information

GateroomGuard
June 4th, 2010, 10:04 PM
Yeah Earth is dealing with a real threat here. These guys use tactics and strategy. I thing their the first enemy we've had who's attacks don't involve 'rush forward screaming and shooting from the hip until we win'.

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 10:05 PM
Yeah Earth is dealing with a real threat here. These guys use tactics and strategy. I thing their the first enemy we've had who's attacks don't involve 'rush forward screaming and shooting from the hip until we win'.

at least they gave up on corn.

VampyreWraith
June 4th, 2010, 10:06 PM
again it will take destny a million years to reach the milky way... there's no point in bring it back.

Do we really know what destiny or its ftl drive is capable of if the crew has actual control of a fully functioning ship?

GateroomGuard
June 4th, 2010, 10:08 PM
at least they gave up on corn.

Now they've moved to popcorn.

Tyjos
June 4th, 2010, 10:08 PM
I was just thinking this SAME THING...I mean seriously it's like a real waste of time or the Lucian Alliance is just really bored.

That or they wanted to get away from it all and Destiny was the best idea for that....LOL

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 10:09 PM
Do we really know what destiny or its ftl drive is capable of if the crew has actual control of a fully functioning ship?

no you can't tell me a million year old ship that can't even be fully powered anymore can be brought back to our galaxy. like jel said just taking all the infomation you can get is the best thing.

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 10:10 PM
I was just thinking this SAME THING...I mean seriously it's like a real waste of time or the Lucian Alliance is just really bored.

like i said before i really think the LA know something we don't. only season 2 will tell us,.

Pharaoh Atem
June 4th, 2010, 10:10 PM
Now they've moved to popcorn.

by season 4 destiny hot dogs

VampyreWraith
June 4th, 2010, 10:10 PM
By the way I did a few calculations, and I might be off here. Young said that they were 20 Billion Light Years from Earth.

A 304 With a ZPM powered Hyper Drive reached Atlantis ( 3 Million Light years) in 4 days. Giving it a top speed of 274 Million times the Speed of Light.


With an endless supply of ZPMs, and an indestructible Hyperdrive, and not stopping for any reason, The Hammond could reach the Destiny's position in about 73 Thousand Years. That's how far out they are just for reference.

And atlantis took a few mins to get to earth from the edges of the milky way using the wormhole drive. reality really doesnt apply so much lol :)

Paladine
June 4th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Hopefully they reveal a brilliant reason for them going onto the ship. Stranded with the Icarus survivors can't be their master plan. If its that simple the writers will really let us down. I liked that one theory about the LA possibly knowing where Destiny is going.

We know the LA has spent some time learning about the ship and even how to open the doors. Maybe they found some old map of the universe and it shows Destiny is going. The ancients probably had a master chart plan for sending that ship out. It can't just be randomly zig zagging thru the universe.

VampyreWraith
June 4th, 2010, 10:13 PM
no you can't tell me a million year old ship that can't even be fully powered anymore can be brought back to our galaxy. like jel said just taking all the infomation you can get is the best thing.

Who knows its sci-fi , anythings possible and i never said it has to be realistic. :) look at voyager.

any_gopher
June 4th, 2010, 10:38 PM
In the extended pilot, Rush explains to Eli how the 9th chevron is legendary among many cultures, similar to how Atlantis was to Earth. I CANNOT believe they took that out of the aired version, it seems pretty vital to me. Anyway, that's probably why they're searching for it. They may see it as the key to becoming the dominant power back home.

timmciglobal
June 4th, 2010, 10:42 PM
Or like much of the writing of SGU we're expected to just ignore it because "we're not the target audience."

I hope I'm wrong and this finally starts making sense.

Tim

GateroomGuard
June 4th, 2010, 10:52 PM
by season 4 destiny hot dogs

The Lucian Alliance will become the sole provider of concession stands for all events in the universe. Thats their endgame. The Destiny must have secret Ancient soda dispenser technology.

EllieVee
June 4th, 2010, 11:10 PM
Or like much of the writing of SGU we're expected to just ignore it because "we're not the target audience."

I hope I'm wrong and this finally starts making sense.

Tim

Makes sense to me.

Azzers
June 5th, 2010, 12:01 AM
Or like much of the writing of SGU we're expected to just ignore it because "we're not the target audience."

I hope I'm wrong and this finally starts making sense.

Tim

Pretty bleak perspective, isn't it?


Take heart though... THIS is the type of show they've decided to write. And in this style of writing, things aren't supposed to make total sense until you reach the end. I mean, how horrible would it have been if just before the LA gated in they spent 15 minutes "explaining" what the LA knows about the ship? Much better to keep it a mystery and pay it off slowly.

Lahela
June 5th, 2010, 12:11 AM
Pretty bleak perspective, isn't it?


Take heart though... THIS is the type of show they've decided to write. And in this style of writing, things aren't supposed to make total sense until you reach the end. I mean, how horrible would it have been if just before the LA gated in they spent 15 minutes "explaining" what the LA knows about the ship? Much better to keep it a mystery and pay it off slowly.

Green for that. Makes this show just about perfect, IMO. :D

Werewolfhero
June 5th, 2010, 12:38 AM
If only they'd have brought some 70+ watt lightbulbs to better illuminate the hallways X'D

Was seriously wondering where they found those keys to the doors though o.o

spinny magee
June 5th, 2010, 01:03 AM
Since it seems they came packed with weapons and supplies......

Success at last?

g.o.d
June 5th, 2010, 01:05 AM
I bet many LA members will remain on Destiny

spinny magee
June 5th, 2010, 01:08 AM
I bet many LA members will remain on Destiny

Hmm many people have been saying this, and the word "Maquis" has been thrown around.

I am usually optimistic but I have this odd feeling that "Might" happen

g.o.d
June 5th, 2010, 01:11 AM
Hmm many people have been saying this, and the word "Maquis" has been thrown around.

I am usually optimistic but I have this odd feeling that "Might" happen

I hope this will happen. It might be very interesting

Werewolfhero
June 5th, 2010, 01:12 AM
Not really seeing the point in all the fanaticism with Destiny, especially for the Lucian Alliance, the weapons, ftl, shields, etc would all be antiquated compared to the tech they'd already have from the Goa'uld, let alone any they managed to steal from earth's knowledge of asgard tech. And it'd all be really antiquated when compared to Atlantis, the chair (which might've been repaired using info from Atlantis or possibly replaced with the one from Taonas) and the drone weapons. Only possible thing of interest is the "SAW" inspired chair room, which again would have outdated info.

spinny magee
June 5th, 2010, 01:13 AM
I hope this will happen. It might be very interesting

Well we are all different, I see it differently however :(

If that happens people would just hammer the show for ripping off ST VOY, not my opinion but I see that happening.

spinny magee
June 5th, 2010, 01:15 AM
Reason: 1 they are villains all villains are flamed in movies/tv shows hugely, mostly by bad aim (had to be said) but other things too like stoooopid decisions.

Besides Kiva might not of had her viagra when she made that decision.

O wait........

VampyreWraith
June 5th, 2010, 01:15 AM
I hope this will happen. It might be very interesting

id like them to stay, it would be interesting. i'd rather them stay in some way than kill them all or ditch them on a random planet

VampyreWraith
June 5th, 2010, 01:21 AM
Not really seeing the point in all the fanaticism with Destiny, especially for the Lucian Alliance, the weapons, ftl, shields, etc would all be antiquated compared to the tech they'd already have from the Goa'uld, let alone any they managed to steal from earth's knowledge of asgard tech. And it'd all be really antiquated when compared to Atlantis, the chair (which might've been repaired using info from Atlantis or possibly replaced with the one from Taonas) and the drone weapons. Only possible thing of interest is the "SAW" inspired chair room, which again would have outdated info.

Isnt kiva supposed to be some head lucian alliance guys daughter, maybe she sees this as a way to prove herself by bringing back something big, and other people in the LA might be looking into atlantis already, so she figured shed be bold and take a crack a destiny.

Nadji
June 5th, 2010, 01:24 AM
Fairly certain some of the more important LA + goons will stick around.
Kiva
Varro (the actor deserves a supporting role)
I heard rumblings of certain semi famous guest star that may end up being one of the aforementioned goons.

It should be an interesting mix up, probably a well constructed ploy by the writers to get most of our guys 'on the same side' which would be a fitting end to the turbulent life on destiny.

Having said that, the trouble making roles of Rush, Cammille, Greer and Baldy (name alludes me) will be substituted with the various LA members.

The interesting question remains, once we do seize control of the ship once more, how do we justify keeping a bunch of space pirates along for the ride?

somme
June 5th, 2010, 01:26 AM
If that happens people would just hammer the show for ripping off ST VOY, not my opinion but I see that happening.

And they'll be fools as the plots are nothing like each other, the basic premise might be similar but nothing more. The Marquis were a coalition of races fighting for freedom against opression. The Lucian Alliance are dressier space pirates who care for nothing and no one other than their own agenda.

The Marquis and Voyagers original crew had to work together to get home, and got over most of their differences in three episodes. If the LA remain on board they will be a royal pain for the Destiny crew, which will make for some interesting story-telling.

pipi
June 5th, 2010, 01:28 AM
Very intuitive topic.

This has been debated to death last week.

VampyreWraith
June 5th, 2010, 01:29 AM
Fairly certain some of the more important LA + goons will stick around.
Kiva
Varro (the actor deserves a supporting role)
I heard rumblings of certain semi famous guest star that may end up being one of the aforementioned goons.

It should be an interesting mix up, probably a well constructed ploy by the writers to get most of our guys 'on the same side' which would be a fitting end to the turbulent life on destiny.

Having said that, the trouble making roles of Rush, Cammille, Greer and Baldy (name alludes me) will be substituted with the various LA members.

The interesting question remains, once we do seize control of the ship once more, how do we justify keeping a bunch of space pirates along for the ride?

I'm sure they'll kill off anyone thats downright bad, but maybe theyre not all super bad villans, and some are ur average soilder or scientist following orders or what not or maybe that could be what they say in or to get to stay on the ship. Wray doesnt seem the type to kill or abandon people if they play the pity card right.

Detox
June 5th, 2010, 01:41 AM
Seeing as Robert Knepper's been cast in a 6 episode arc for season 2, I'm pretty sure the Alliance are here to stay.

Wayston
June 5th, 2010, 02:45 AM
I had hoped they would have given a bit more information in this episode than "we're here for the same reason you are"... ummmm no, the destiny crew gated in completely by accident, for all they knew the 9th chevron could have lead them to a gate in compton or something

mr_kennedy
June 5th, 2010, 03:10 AM
^ Telford probably "provided it" for them


by season 4 destiny hot dogs

by season 10 popcorn chicken :P


It really shows what kind of resources and training the LA has by the way they infiltrated Destiny. I mean, they had an Ancient Key! Which I wonder if that was found or made by the LA...

But, then again, the LA came aboard to take the ship, not last out a siege. They didn't look like they brought food or meds, so I wonder what their game plan ways if they didn't get any hostages to barter.

Also, the LA kept boasting how good their Intel was, but one of their guys still managed get get killed by the gate exhust...

the planet was exploding, they didnt exactly have to gather the right materials, maybe someone forgot to label the bag medicine, Kiva will probably have there head

MattSilver 3k
June 5th, 2010, 03:18 AM
Robert Knepper and Julie McNiven are hanging around for the first half of season two, playing LA's Simeon and Ginn, respectively. I'm guessing Simeon takes command after Kiva and Varro die, and orders a ceasefire of sorts with our friends, while Ginn is just a lovely tech girl of sorts that'll die horribly.

But supplies and new guns are always good.

dosed150
June 5th, 2010, 03:30 AM
It really shows what kind of resources and training the LA has by the way they infiltrated Destiny. I mean, they had an Ancient Key! Which I wonder if that was found or made by the LA...

But, then again, the LA came aboard to take the ship, not last out a siege. They didn't look like they brought food or meds, so I wonder what their game plan ways if they didn't get any hostages to barter.

Also, the LA kept boasting how good their Intel was, but one of their guys still managed get get killed by the gate exhust...

pretty sure that guy didn't actually die, the most that amount of steam will do is give you fairly bad burns but nothing life threatening

Nadji
June 5th, 2010, 03:40 AM
Seeing as Robert Knepper's been cast in a 6 episode arc for season 2, I'm pretty sure the Alliance are here to stay.

Indeed, that is who I was alluding too.

EllieVee
June 5th, 2010, 04:05 AM
Hmm many people have been saying this, and the word "Maquis" has been thrown around.

I am usually optimistic but I have this odd feeling that "Might" happen

Possibly, but honestly, I don't see an ongoing role for the French Resistance.

gotthammer
June 5th, 2010, 04:13 AM
Isnt kiva supposed to be some head lucian alliance guys daughter, maybe she sees this as a way to prove herself by bringing back something big, and other people in the LA might be looking into atlantis already, so she figured shed be bold and take a crack a destiny.

Yup. I think so, too.
She also probably knows something that the SGC/Destiny crew doesn't know about the ship yet.

Alan Wake
June 5th, 2010, 04:15 AM
To learn whats out there including threats

by the time... and if they actually get back, their alliance probably won't exist anymore.

a rag tag group of humans with technology... Who do they plan to share what they learn with?

gotthammer
June 5th, 2010, 04:28 AM
I bet many LA members will remain on Destiny

I do hope the LA stay...would make for more interesting 'politics'

TheRandomOne
June 5th, 2010, 04:53 AM
I really don't care if any of these Lucien Alliance morons die. They forced this situation & if they really thought that the current people on the Destiny would just take this lying down then they deserve bullets lots of bullets on their body & maybe some time alone with Greer

knowles2
June 5th, 2010, 05:05 AM
Robert Knepper and Julie McNiven are hanging around for the first half of season two, playing LA's Simeon and Ginn, respectively. I'm guessing Simeon takes command after Kiva and Varro die, and orders a ceasefire of sorts with our friends, while Ginn is just a lovely tech girl of sorts that'll die horribly.

But supplies and new guns are always good.

I can see a ***** fight between Chloe an Ginn over Eli occurring.

globex
June 5th, 2010, 05:05 AM
What actually vapourised that Lucian Alliance member? Was it the actual cheap shielding or was it something else?

knowles2
June 5th, 2010, 05:16 AM
It really shows what kind of resources and training the LA has by the way they infiltrated Destiny. I mean, they had an Ancient Key! Which I wonder if that was found or made by the LA...

But, then again, the LA came aboard to take the ship, not last out a siege. They didn't look like they brought food or meds, so I wonder what their game plan ways if they didn't get any hostages to barter.

Also, the LA kept boasting how good their Intel was, but one of their guys still managed get get killed by the gate exhust...
They were not that prepared. If they were really prepared then they would of bought Goa'uld Shock grenade an made young people unconscious.
An would of took the vessel with zero bullets being fired an jetterson them out into space.
Next season would be the Civilians living under LA command.
Until SGC figure out a way to retake the ship.
Compare to other enemies they were almost professional. Now where have they been getting the info from an training, they were clearly using Earth military tactics. Telford cannot of have provided them with the door openers either. Which would clearly needed more knowledge about the destiny than Earth. An we know Telford most likely did not have access to all that much information about the Icarus project, or other wise he would of already given the LA the knowledge needed to open the ninth symbol address without the need for Rush.

AtlantisRules!!!
June 5th, 2010, 05:19 AM
I think Kiva should stay. Make it very imteresting :P They might kill some, but I dont think they are oing anywhere for a while.

thekillman
June 5th, 2010, 05:20 AM
some form of radiation from outer space. but since you would die of lack of oxygen in space faster than the radiation, something bad is going on. i suspect they're travelling through a high-intensity radiation belt

wargrafix
June 5th, 2010, 05:28 AM
Cosmic particle over done barbque.

wargrafix
June 5th, 2010, 05:33 AM
I finally like the fact the made the LA a bit more interesting. SG1 WASTED these potential bad guys.

pipi
June 5th, 2010, 05:41 AM
I would have been impressed if they brought an electric mini car. That would come in handy!

Stormtrooper
June 5th, 2010, 05:45 AM
Destiny is heading to the legendary 13th Alteran Colony. When the ship finally gets there, the humans will find out the planet is infested with Asuran-type replicators who are bent on exterminating them.

pipi
June 5th, 2010, 05:46 AM
some form of radiation from outer space. but since you would die of lack of oxygen in space faster than the radiation, something bad is going on. i suspect they're travelling through a high-intensity radiation belt

That could explain the electromagnetic interference. Everyone is going to die from radiation poisioning if we don't co-operate to fix the ship would be a convenient ice breaker to the stand off.

Wayston
June 5th, 2010, 06:35 AM
So the lucian alliance guys and girls don't have a way back either. That means destiny or the galaxy they're in will be their new home. Place your bets on what will happen:

-star trek voyager like outcome where the two crews unite
-lucian alliance team all die
-lucian alliance team gets stranded on the first habitable planet they come across
-eli finds a room with stasis pods and the LA is put in there

jmoz
June 5th, 2010, 06:37 AM
Death and destruction.

escyos
June 5th, 2010, 06:39 AM
exactely what the writer said would happen a while back. its all a Virtual reality.

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 06:52 AM
Earth will use them as a food source

yet
June 5th, 2010, 06:58 AM
I was hoping for a little more of a hint of why they wanted it, but i'm still just as confused as ever the only thing i can think of is a base to start a fresh new empire like Ba'al wanted to do when he stole the gates, but then they know about the blue aliens so that wouldn't be an easy thing to do.

Pharaoh Atem
June 5th, 2010, 07:05 AM
young will headbutt them all and leave them on a planet. :)

garhkal
June 5th, 2010, 07:08 AM
They even had a way to unlock the doors, which I wonder if that was something they made or found...

I was wondering that myself. Those devices DID seem like they were made to be used on those doors.. SO were they built that way by the ancients, and the LA just found them, or do the LA have detailed specs etc on the Destiny and they made the devices themselves???


Also, the LA kept boasting how good their Intel was, but one of their guys still managed get get killed by the gate exhust...

I am trying to remember if the gate has ever done that before?? If not, how would Telford know of it?


again it will take destny a million years to reach the milky way... there's no point in bring it back.

Unless they figured out a way to fix the seeder ships to make a supergate.


no you can't tell me a million year old ship that can't even be fully powered anymore can be brought back to our galaxy. like jel said just taking all the infomation you can get is the best thing.

And if that is all they wanted, they could have just left telford as is, and not gone there.


In the extended pilot, Rush explains to Eli how the 9th chevron is legendary among many cultures, similar to how Atlantis was to Earth.

Interesting. Is that in the season 1.0 pack?


pretty sure that guy didn't actually die, the most that amount of steam will do is give you fairly bad burns but nothing life threatening

You have obviously never worked in a boiler room.. Back in 06, the Frank Cable (AS-40) in Guam had a steam leak that DID kill.


That could explain the electromagnetic interference. Everyone is going to die from radiation poisioning if we don't co-operate to fix the ship would be a convenient ice breaker to the stand off.

That just might be.

J_schinderlin56
June 5th, 2010, 07:10 AM
And atlantis took a few mins to get to earth from the edges of the milky way using the wormhole drive. reality really doesnt apply so much lol :)

What are you laughing about? Destiny doesn't have a wormhole drive. It took it Several hundred thousand years to get where it is, and would take even longer to get back.

J_schinderlin56
June 5th, 2010, 07:12 AM
Fix the seeder ship to make a super gate? Really? I seriously doubt that.

Save Chloe
June 5th, 2010, 07:20 AM
Chloe will use the knowledge implanted in her head by the Smurfs to signal the Smurfs that she and the Destiny crew are in danger. The L.A. will be no match for the Smurfs, and afterwards, Chloe will leave with the Smurfs because her father is working aboard the Smurfs' ship. Oh, and Telford dies as a hero as well.

pbellosom
June 5th, 2010, 07:22 AM
I really like the idea of a Voyager like situation where they have to unite. Of course they'd have to handle it better than Voyager, which I think mentioned they were two conflicting crews about twice in the entire run, the number of LA personnel would have to drop for that to happen (and I think will be done by the mysterious people melting force) but I think it could be done really well.

KEK
June 5th, 2010, 07:28 AM
They'll have to learn to live together.

jds1982
June 5th, 2010, 07:55 AM
I had hoped they would have given a bit more information in this episode than "we're here for the same reason you are"... ummmm no, the destiny crew gated in completely by accident, for all they knew the 9th chevron could have lead them to a gate in compton or something

They are there for the same reason, someone blew up their planet and they gated aboard Destiny to escape.

VampyreWraith
June 5th, 2010, 07:56 AM
What are you laughing about? Destiny doesn't have a wormhole drive. It took it Several hundred thousand years to get where it is, and would take even longer to get back.

I didnt say they had a wormhole drive i just meant that the precedent is there for for coming up with something we've never heard before in order to suit a plot and reality need not apply

erotavlas
June 5th, 2010, 08:36 AM
Even if they couldn't get the information back home to the other LA, perhaps another motive for them is to sabotage Earth's ability to gain an even greater advantage over everyone in the Milty Way. A sort of preemptive strike to prevent Earth becoming too powerful.

Ed
June 5th, 2010, 09:04 AM
If you understood the stargates how hard would a super gate be

Think orlins toaster gate but large enough to fit the destiny through if you had a seeder ship goulld knowledge human ingenuity DR rush mind com stones to get more expertise ect

What I'm saying is its not entirely out of the question that is the exit plan.

thekillman
June 5th, 2010, 09:07 AM
earth has all the cool ancient stuff. surely the LA likes some. besides, seriously, the naquahdriah planet would've allowed two-way transport. if Destiny sun-dips and can power the gate for a mere 3 microseconds, the icarus planet will take over powering the gate

Specter177
June 5th, 2010, 09:10 AM
I think Kiva will be killed, and Varro will order the rest to surrender and work with the Icarus group. He seems pretty reasonable.

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 10:11 AM
They'll have to learn to live together.

I really hope that's what happens. One of the things I love about SGU is that more or less things don't just go back to status quo at the end of every episode. It seems each action has consequences that are dealt with in later episodes. So I'd love for some of the LA team to survive and attempt to work with the Icarus group.

IMForeman
June 5th, 2010, 10:16 AM
I think they are all Dead. D-E-D Dead, baby.

I know... I was just throwing some style... I know how to steal a bank, I can spell "Dead", Dammit.--Alec Hardison.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 5th, 2010, 10:22 AM
with any other show, you could say that the LA will live on Destiny and they will all learn to live happily ever after but it's not that kind of show at all, so i have no idea what will happen.

Young has enough people on the ship already that are problems without adding a bunch of ruthless criminals to the mix. Plus, there's the fact that those particular criminals have hurt people under his care. I don't give the LA many chances in this one. I think Young will do what he must to get his people back and then all the gods help the LA.

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 10:27 AM
At the very least, they should throw Kiva and the gang in the brig and only show them when it services the plot, but hopefully their future involvement is much more than that.

J_schinderlin56
June 5th, 2010, 11:23 AM
I do hope the LA stay...would make for more interesting 'politics'

Yeah, it will make for some good stories if the Maquis stay on Voyager..... Oh wait.

MattSilver 3k
June 5th, 2010, 11:38 AM
Yeah, it will make for some good stories if the Maquis stay on Voyager..... Oh wait.

Oh wow - that's the first time someone's made that crack! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh god, that's hilarious!

Seriously! :lol:

Nemises
June 5th, 2010, 11:58 AM
hopefully most of them are killed bar a few who decide to surrender.

jollyrogue
June 5th, 2010, 12:23 PM
I really really reeeaaallllllyyyyy hope that the two sides are forced to work together and live together on the ship. My mind was thinking back on Voyager during the episode.... fingers crossed.

I'm gunning for the smurfs to show up onboard and have the lucians and tau'ri work together to defeat them.

Demerzel
June 5th, 2010, 01:40 PM
By the way I did a few calculations, and I might be off here. Young said that they were 20 Billion Light Years from Earth.

A 304 With a ZPM powered Hyper Drive reached Atlantis ( 3 Million Light years) in 4 days. Giving it a top speed of 274 Million times the Speed of Light.

With an endless supply of ZPMs, and an indestructible Hyperdrive, and not stopping for any reason, The Hammond could reach the Destiny's position in about 73 Thousand Years. That's how far out they are just for reference.

I haven't bothered to read the whole thread to see if someone mentioned this, but I don't recall anyone stating the exact distance they were from the Earth. Also, the universe is only 13.75 billion years old, so Destiny can't possibly be 20 billion light years from Earth.

The speed of a ZPM-powered Daedalus-class ship was around 8000 light-years an hour. So if you assume that Destiny is about halfway through the known universe and is about 6-7 billion light years away, well...

GateroomGuard
June 5th, 2010, 02:19 PM
I would like to have seen more Lucian Alliance personel talkling other than Kiva, see their thoughts on the matter. I mean there has to be some good people in the LA boarding party who are questioning the measures Kiva is taking. I mean if their all okay with the murder and execution of hostages I don't see how any of them will be on the Destiny is season 2. I mean, I take it were supposed to empathize with the ones that are in season 2 so some of them have to be shaking their heads at Kiva.

GateroomGuard
June 5th, 2010, 02:23 PM
I think Kiva will be killed, and Varro will order the rest to surrender and work with the Icarus group. He seems pretty reasonable.

If by reasonable you mean using a loophole in Kiva's promise to let Rush know he'd kill him then yes he seems pretty reasonable.

Specter177
June 5th, 2010, 02:42 PM
Well, likely Kiva would order him to kill Rush. He didn't seem too happy about it.

SupremeLegate
June 5th, 2010, 03:52 PM
I hope at least some of the LA survive and have to attapt to life on board Destiny, though I hope they handle it better than Voyager and there is actual tension between the two groups.

wkw427
June 5th, 2010, 05:10 PM
Why does the Lucian Alliance even want the destiny? So long as they can't make it back to the milky way, any and all information they get is USELESS.

TBH, the crew should just trade a way home for the ship. They don't want it, don't need it, but they need a way home..

Pharaoh Atem
June 5th, 2010, 05:12 PM
the LA know things about destiny that we don't. just my personal opinion

Major_Griff
June 5th, 2010, 05:14 PM
There are at least two other threads about this exact topic probably more.

Pharaoh Atem
June 5th, 2010, 05:21 PM
There are at least two other threads about this exact topic probably more.

3's the charm

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 5th, 2010, 05:54 PM
There are at least two other threads about this exact topic probably more.

this will be this episode's "torture" :)

Air extended has a small scene about what the LA might want the ship for

VampyreWraith
June 5th, 2010, 07:11 PM
the LA know things about destiny that we don't. just my personal opinion

They probably do, or at least kiva and her gang do, i mean they did have something to open the doors that didnt involve blowing them open.

EllieVee
June 5th, 2010, 07:13 PM
this will be this episode's "torture" :)

Air extended has a small scene about what the LA might want the ship for

Which certainly should have been kept in the episode that was shown instead of having to be edited back in.

Shan Bruce Lee
June 5th, 2010, 07:21 PM
You're the Lucian Alliance, your goal is to rule the Galaxy.

Why strand yourself 20 Billion light years away on some old rust bucket with no way to get back?

You can't bring the ship back, you can't control the ship, even if you could turn it around it would take hundreds of thousands of years to get back. You have no way to send technology you find on the ship, or specifications on how to reverse engineer that technology back. And you have no way back.

You've got a planet full of Naquadria perfect for making really powerful weapons, why waste your time with the Destiny. Why risk getting your people killed for no reason? Even the people who are on Destiny don't want to be there.

Again, What's the point?

Who said the LA have a single unified goal? They want to build an empire and they're pretty ruthless when it comes to trying to obtain those goals, but they're still not just a cardboard villain.

J_schinderlin56
June 5th, 2010, 09:37 PM
I haven't bothered to read the whole thread to see if someone mentioned this, but I don't recall anyone stating the exact distance they were from the Earth. Also, the universe is only 13.75 billion years old, so Destiny can't possibly be 20 billion light years from Earth.

The speed of a ZPM-powered Daedalus-class ship was around 8000 light-years an hour. So if you assume that Destiny is about halfway through the known universe and is about 6-7 billion light years away, well...

Sorry dude, but you're way wrong, the estimated size of the observable universe is 78 Billion Light Years :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

Telford objected to Young when Young offered him alcohol while he was on duty. Young stated that he couldn't get in trouble because they were 20 Billion light years from Earth.

The top speed of a 304 is 52 Million times the speed of light. ( It takes 3 weeks for a 304 to reach Atlantis- 3 million light years= 1 Million light years per week x 52 weeks= 52 Million Light years in one year travel time= 52 million times the speed of light)

J_schinderlin56
June 5th, 2010, 09:42 PM
In order to traverse galaxies in the amount of time that Destiny did in the past few episodes, It's FTL Drive would have to be almost as fast as an Asgard Hyper Drive. A 20 Billion Light year trip would take roughly 400,000 years.

Rush stated that Destiny left Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago.

J_schinderlin56
June 5th, 2010, 09:48 PM
With a ZPM the Daedalus reached Atlantis in 4 days. 3,000,000/4= 750,000 Light Years Traveled in one day
750,000 x 365= 273,750,000 Light years in one year= 273,750,000 Times the speed of light.

jelgate
June 5th, 2010, 09:48 PM
In order to traverse galaxies in the amount of time that Destiny did in the past few episodes, It's FTL Drive would have to be almost as fast as an Asgard Hyper Drive. A 20 Billion Light year trip would take roughly 400,000 years.

Rush stated that Destiny left Earth hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Just a minor nitpick but Destiny left the Milky Way millions of years ago. The thousands was a guess by Rush. An incorrect guess

charonme
June 6th, 2010, 12:13 AM
just because the puny earthlings can't figure one useful thing about the destiny doesn't mean it is equally useless to the LA :cool:

btw you can't apply our physics to a relativity-less world like that :P

AdmlDj
June 6th, 2010, 03:13 AM
the whole lucian alliance thing just doesnt make sense they cant get home they cant control the ship and from what we've seen they didnt bring an ancient communication terminal with them so they cant communicate with mw as for them having more info on destiny than us that doesnt make sense we have atlantis and its database surely anything the ancients knew about destiny would be in there for us to find also lets just say they got their info on destiny from a mole in atlantis also why bother if you have access to the atlantis database why bother with destiny and as for the lock picks has anyone considered that the lucian alliance are CRIMINALS! if any one can make a lock pick it should be them maybe the ones they used on destiny are universal the fact they were round is probably a coincidence sorry to go off on one here but having the smurfs take the ship or having the goauld take the ship and try to set themselves up in a new galaxy would have been a better choice than these drug dealing criminals

EllieVee
June 6th, 2010, 03:30 AM
the whole lucian alliance thing just doesnt make sense they cant get home they cant control the ship and from what we've seen they didnt bring an ancient communication terminal with them so they cant communicate with mw as for them having more info on destiny than us that doesnt make sense we have atlantis and its database surely anything the ancients knew about destiny would be in there for us to find also lets just say they got their info on destiny from a mole in atlantis also why bother if you have access to the atlantis database why bother with destiny and as for the lock picks has anyone considered that the lucian alliance are CRIMINALS! if any one can make a lock pick it should be them maybe the ones they used on destiny are universal the fact they were round is probably a coincidence sorry to go off on one here but having the smurfs take the ship or having the goauld take the ship and try to set themselves up in a new galaxy would have been a better choice than these drug dealing criminals

While I'm all for stream of consciousness, particularly from the Irish (Finnegan's Wake, anyone?), would you mind using punctuation?

garhkal
June 6th, 2010, 03:31 AM
mw as for them having more info on destiny than us that doesnt make sense we have atlantis and its database surely anything the ancients knew about destiny would be in there for us to find

And pray tell, how much of Project Arcturus, or that 'wraith hyperdrive' project', or the Asurans were in the Lantean database? JUST cause we have Atlantis, does not mean squat as far as finding out info on it.

AdmlDj
June 6th, 2010, 03:40 AM
And pray tell, how much of Project Arcturus, or that 'wraith hyperdrive' project', or the Asurans were in the Lantean database? JUST cause we have Atlantis, does not mean squat as far as finding out info on it.

as i recall the atlantis database wasnt like google but when they knew what they were looking for they were able to find it with the exception of the asurans maybe the ancients dont like records of screw ups? also what wraith hyperdrive project?

AdmlDj
June 6th, 2010, 03:59 AM
i figured out how they know so much they brought an unemployed prior with them work is work!

darksiege
June 6th, 2010, 06:40 AM
So all destiny has to do is tell earth where it is, they power up Atlantis's worm hole drive and jump over there, stick the ship in the shield/engine field and zap it back home.

Major_Griff
June 6th, 2010, 06:42 AM
So all destiny has to do is tell earth where it is, they power up Atlantis's worm hole drive and jump over there, stick the ship in the shield/engine field and zap it back home.

What's wormhole drive? /sarcasm

darksiege
June 6th, 2010, 06:55 AM
What's wormhole drive? /sarcasm

Its a voyager style "out" :\

Demerzel
June 6th, 2010, 06:58 AM
Sorry dude, but you're way wrong, the estimated size of the observable universe is 78 Billion Light Years :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

Telford objected to Young when Young offered him alcohol while he was on duty. Young stated that he couldn't get in trouble because they were 20 Billion light years from Earth.

The top speed of a 304 is 52 Million times the speed of light. ( It takes 3 weeks for a 304 to reach Atlantis- 3 million light years= 1 Million light years per week x 52 weeks= 52 Million Light years in one year travel time= 52 million times the speed of light)

Before telling someone they're wrong, you should have read the whole article you linked as being your proof. You also shouldn't have taken your "the universe SIZE is 78 billion light years" argument from the "Misconceptions" section of the article along with all the wrong numbers, it kind of voids your entire point. Anyone can edit Wikipedia, remember. And none of this stuff should be taken as fact, as its all theoretical physics with absolutely no proof whatsoever, as with the rest of that particular scientific field.

The universe is 13.75 billion years old, but has expended to about 46 billion light years. And in my opinion, Young wasn't giving a scientific number, he was just being sarcastic. Either way, doesn't really matter.

VampyreWraith
June 6th, 2010, 08:25 AM
What's wormhole drive? /sarcasm

:P something that never exsisted before and was written into exsistence about 10 mins before a series ended. :rolleyes:

J_schinderlin56
June 6th, 2010, 11:51 AM
Before telling someone they're wrong, you should have read the whole article you linked as being your proof. You also shouldn't have taken your "the universe SIZE is 78 billion light years" argument from the "Misconceptions" section of the article along with all the wrong numbers, it kind of voids your entire point. Anyone can edit Wikipedia, remember. And none of this stuff should be taken as fact, as its all theoretical physics with absolutely no proof whatsoever, as with the rest of that particular scientific field.

The universe is 13.75 billion years old, but has expended to about 46 billion light years. And in my opinion, Young wasn't giving a scientific number, he was just being sarcastic. Either way, doesn't really matter.

The Universe is not 46 Billion ly in size according the article That is just the Radius:

The comoving distance from Earth to the edge of the visible universe (also called the particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion light-years) in any direction.[5] This defines a lower limit on the comoving radius of the observable universe, although as noted in the introduction, it is expected that the visible universe is somewhat smaller than the observable universe since we see only light from the cosmic microwave background radiation that was emitted after the time of recombination, giving us the spherical surface of last scattering (gravitational waves could theoretically allow us to observe events that occurred earlier than the time of recombination, from regions of space outside this sphere). The visible universe is thus a sphere with a diameter of about 28 billion parsecs (about 93 billion light-years).

Destiny was able to traverse a One Million light year void between galaxies seemingly in one week's time, which gives it a speed equal to an asgard hyperdrive. And in roughly 400,000 years could travel 20 Billion ly. Add on another 200,000 years for various stops and star power ups, and the total trip time is 600,000 years lining up with Rush's statement that Destiny had been launched "hundreds of thousands of years ago".

Given, you are right in that I glanced at the wrong part of the article to get the 78 Number. But I had read the article before and knew that the current theory was that the universe was bigger than 13 Billion ly.

But, the argument that I was responding to was that Destiny couldn't be 20 Billion ly out because the universe is only 13 Billion years old, which is flat wrong. The universe is bigger than 13 Billion ly, and with enough speed a ship could traverse the distance in the time alloted. That's all I was trying to say. Believe that Young was being sarcastic if you wish, but he could also have been generalizing a more specific number that Rush gave him earlier, They did after all view a map of Destiny's entire journey in a previous episode. It is entirely possible that they are in fact that far out.

My original point: Why invade a ship that is so Old, and so far out, that you gain noting from doing it?

J_schinderlin56
June 6th, 2010, 12:00 PM
i figured out how they know so much they brought an unemployed prior with them work is work!

Oddly enough, that was my thought on how to get Destiny back to the MW, Ask the former followers of the Ori for help. There are Stargates out where Destiny is. Find and uninhabited planet, determine it's gate address, using a Black Hole in the Ori galaxy as a power source, dial the 9 symbol address of the planet in question. Use the same process that was used in "Beachhead" to send the Supergate elements through while using a forcefield to crush the planet into a Black Hole.

This would be done after the crew can gain control of the ship and control it's course. Use the completed Super Gate to Dial the one in The Milky Way, and go home.

You could even use the Super Gates to send one of our newer ships back out to assume Destiny's mission with a ship that isn't falling apart. Destiny could then be studied by Earth scientists.

J_schinderlin56
June 6th, 2010, 12:14 PM
Just a minor nitpick but Destiny left the Milky Way millions of years ago. The thousands was a guess by Rush. An incorrect guess

The timeline does seem a bit confusing. Atlantis left Earth 2 Million years ago, and the writers at some point stated that Destiny was older than Atlantis. It would make more sense that Destiny would have left 4 Million years ago, and that the FTL drive would be slower than Hyperdrive. Why abandon the FTL drive for Hyperdrive if it's just as fast? Hyperdrive uses less energy is my only guess on that. Also, the gates being built by the seeder ships are less advanced than the ones in the Milky Way. In "frozen" Carter stated that she believed that the Antarctic Gate was at least 2 Million Years old, and it's more advanced than the seeder ship gates. So Destiny having left 2-4 million years ago makes more sense.

But, if Destiny left 4 million years ago, and the Ancients were hanging out for at least another 2 million years on Earth before Atlantis left. Why did they never gate out to the ship? By the time Atlantis left Destiny could have already have been Billions of ly out, and would have been traveling for 2 million years. Why just send one of your most advanced ships out unmanned, and in 2 million years never follow up?

kymeric
June 6th, 2010, 12:27 PM
I assume whatever the LA know about is related to whatever Chole and Mathboy are wandering a hidden hallways towards, otherwise why include it? Story structure and logic ftw.

jelgate
June 6th, 2010, 01:37 PM
The timeline does seem a bit confusing. Atlantis left Earth 2 Million years ago, and the writers at some point stated that Destiny was older than Atlantis. It would make more sense that Destiny would have left 4 Million years ago, and that the FTL drive would be slower than Hyperdrive. Why abandon the FTL drive for Hyperdrive if it's just as fast? Hyperdrive uses less energy is my only guess on that. Also, the gates being built by the seeder ships are less advanced than the ones in the Milky Way. In "frozen" Carter stated that she believed that the Antarctic Gate was at least 2 Million Years old, and it's more advanced than the seeder ship gates. So Destiny having left 2-4 million years ago makes more sense.

But, if Destiny left 4 million years ago, and the Ancients were hanging out for at least another 2 million years on Earth before Atlantis left. Why did they never gate out to the ship? By the time Atlantis left Destiny could have already have been Billions of ly out, and would have been traveling for 2 million years. Why just send one of your most advanced ships out unmanned, and in 2 million years never follow up?

According to the writers they abandonded Destiny because by the time it was out there the Ancients were busy with ascension

Shai Hulud
June 6th, 2010, 03:39 PM
You're the Lucian Alliance, your goal is to rule the Galaxy.

Why strand yourself 20 Billion light years away on some old rust bucket with no way to get back?

You can't bring the ship back, you can't control the ship, even if you could turn it around it would take hundreds of thousands of years to get back. You have no way to send technology you find on the ship, or specifications on how to reverse engineer that technology back. And you have no way back.

You've got a planet full of Naquadria perfect for making really powerful weapons, why waste your time with the Destiny. Why risk getting your people killed for no reason? Even the people who are on Destiny don't want to be there.

Again, What's the point?

LA are only in the position they are in the Milky Way because of the Tau'ri kicking the collective butt's of the Goa'uld. The Tau'ri managed that feat by their utilisation of amongst other things, Ancient technologies. So as a LA commander when one of his Agents comes to Massin reporting a Tau'ri project to dial to the 9th Chevron address found in the Ancient database its bound to pique your interest enough to send your favourite daughter, the lovely, deadly Kiva to have a peek and see what those pesky Tau'ri are up to!

Demerzel
June 6th, 2010, 04:07 PM
The Universe is not 46 Billion ly in size according the article That is just the Radius:

The comoving distance from Earth to the edge of the visible universe (also called the particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion light-years) in any direction.[5] This defines a lower limit on the comoving radius of the observable universe, although as noted in the introduction, it is expected that the visible universe is somewhat smaller than the observable universe since we see only light from the cosmic microwave background radiation that was emitted after the time of recombination, giving us the spherical surface of last scattering (gravitational waves could theoretically allow us to observe events that occurred earlier than the time of recombination, from regions of space outside this sphere). The visible universe is thus a sphere with a diameter of about 28 billion parsecs (about 93 billion light-years).

Destiny was able to traverse a One Million light year void between galaxies seemingly in one week's time, which gives it a speed equal to an asgard hyperdrive. And in roughly 400,000 years could travel 20 Billion ly. Add on another 200,000 years for various stops and star power ups, and the total trip time is 600,000 years lining up with Rush's statement that Destiny had been launched "hundreds of thousands of years ago".

Given, you are right in that I glanced at the wrong part of the article to get the 78 Number. But I had read the article before and knew that the current theory was that the universe was bigger than 13 Billion ly.

But, the argument that I was responding to was that Destiny couldn't be 20 Billion ly out because the universe is only 13 Billion years old, which is flat wrong. The universe is bigger than 13 Billion ly, and with enough speed a ship could traverse the distance in the time alloted. That's all I was trying to say. Believe that Young was being sarcastic if you wish, but he could also have been generalizing a more specific number that Rush gave him earlier, They did after all view a map of Destiny's entire journey in a previous episode. It is entirely possible that they are in fact that far out.

My original point: Why invade a ship that is so Old, and so far out, that you gain noting from doing it?

The Big Bang was approximately 13.75 billion years ago, which is the age of the universe. If you claim this is false, I'll let you e-mail Stephen Hawking, Lisa Randall and maybe CERN and the Max Planck Institute, and you can argue with them. The fact that the universe is in constant expansion and is bigger now than it was before, doesn't mean it's any older.

Your original point makes as much sense as you changing your numbers every post. It's an Ancient ship with an FTL unlike anything previously seen, with shields and weapons also more advanced than what we've seen, and with a power system that makes operating the ship a real joke. And then there's the million things onboard that we don't know about, like new technology and such. There's a million different reasons to want to learn Destiny's secrets.

As someone else also pointed out earlier, Destiny was launched millions of years ago, not hundreds of thousands. Rush was wrong.

Reading Wikipedia doesn't make you a scientist, by the way.

wargrafix
June 6th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Perhaps it was just a lapse in expression. Meant millions, maybe?

VampyreWraith
June 6th, 2010, 05:02 PM
Don't yell at me for saying this and i do find the talk about the age and size of the universe very interesting (i'm being serious). But i dont really think a lot of it really matters to the writers much. If they feel like bringing Destiny back to the milky way they will find a way no matter how far away its supposed to be. If they want to Kiva and Friends to have some magical Ancient equipment that they can plug into Destiny's control area that will give them full control of the ship and access to all the information contained in it, itll happen, and maybe one of they things they gain control of is some super communication device that allows them to call home without the stones, that can be made possible too.

Demerzel
June 6th, 2010, 05:10 PM
Don't yell at me for saying this and i do find the talk about the age and size of the universe very interesting (i'm being serious). But i dont really think a lot of it really matters to the writers much. If they feel like bringing Destiny back to the milky way they will find a way no matter how far away its supposed to be. If they want to Kiva and Friends to have some magical Ancient equipment that they can plug into Destiny's control area that will give them full control of the ship and access to all the information contained in it, itll happen, and maybe one of they things they gain control of is some super communication device that allows them to call home without the stones, that can be made possible too.

Pretty much. The FTL speeds have never been constant. The 304 model had "Asgard" hyperdrives, but was never even close to being as fast as the Asgard ships (See Unnatural Selection in SG-1 season 5), that we've seen cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye, and cross the void between galaxies in mere hours. So whatever the writers want, will happen. They needed Atlantis really quick? Pick up a pen, write a few lines down, and bam. Wormhole drive is invented, out of nowhere. It's that simple.

Also worth mentioning that even the universe is different in Stargate, galaxies not being at the same location and distance, etc etc.

VampyreWraith
June 6th, 2010, 05:42 PM
Pretty much. The FTL speeds have never been constant. The 304 model had "Asgard" hyperdrives, but was never even close to being as fast as the Asgard ships (See Unnatural Selection in SG-1 season 5), that we've seen cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye, and cross the void between galaxies in mere hours. So whatever the writers want, will happen. They needed Atlantis really quick? Pick up a pen, write a few lines down, and bam. Wormhole drive is invented, out of nowhere. It's that simple.

Also worth mentioning that even the universe is different in Stargate, galaxies not being at the same location and distance, etc etc.

I noticed that about the asgard ships, they seemed to glide in and out of galaxies like it was nothing.

And anyway the destiny has taken as long as it has(however many yrs) to get where it is cuz its been making recon pit stops everywhere the ancients dropped off a gate and its been getting attacked along the way as well. so right now its just limping along on auto.

pipi
June 6th, 2010, 06:50 PM
There's a million different reasons to want to learn Destiny's secrets.

Most arguments about discovering Destiny are about Destiny's Ancient technology, but one of the most important aspect that is over looked is the database of planets that Destiny has visited and documented. Information is power. That database alone is a treasure throve of goodies. The SG teams would love to get their hands on those co-ordinates and start exploring them if they could get to them. Maybe just start from the closest galaxy to the Milky Way, I'm sure they can manage that.

J_schinderlin56
June 6th, 2010, 09:57 PM
At what point did I say that I thought that the universe wasn't 13 Billion years old? I'm saying that just because the universe is 13 billion years old doesn't mean that Destiny can't be 20 Billion ly out. I'm not even saying that my numbers are completely correct.

I'm saying this so pay attention: Since from here to the edge of the observable universe is 46.5 billion ly then 20 Billion ly is only half that, With enough speed, Destiny could have reached that distance since it was launched. If Destiny was launched Millions of years ago, there is an even GREATER chance it could have made it out that far.

No, I'm not a scientist. You have nitpicked some numbers that I got wrong, which I freely admit. But you HAVE NOT proved your original point. Which was that Destiny could not be 20 Billion ly out simply because the universe is only 13 billion years old. If it were traveling at the speed of light, then you would be correct. But the Destiny is obviously traveling millions of times faster then light. Which does make it possible. If you would like go ahead and send me Stephen Hawking's e-mail and I would be happy to ask him this question.

By the way, the age of the universe is no matter what JUST A GUESS. No one was there to see the big bang, we have a lot of data that helps us be reasonably sure about it. But it is still just a guess.

J_schinderlin56
June 6th, 2010, 10:00 PM
Pretty much. The FTL speeds have never been constant. The 304 model had "Asgard" hyperdrives, but was never even close to being as fast as the Asgard ships (See Unnatural Selection in SG-1 season 5), that we've seen cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye, and cross the void between galaxies in mere hours. So whatever the writers want, will happen. They needed Atlantis really quick? Pick up a pen, write a few lines down, and bam. Wormhole drive is invented, out of nowhere. It's that simple.

Also worth mentioning that even the universe is different in Stargate, galaxies not being at the same location and distance, etc etc.

Which makes it even more likely that Destiny is 20 billion ly out.

pipi
June 7th, 2010, 02:20 AM
You space nerds need to chill out on the accuracy of astrology stuff. Not fun.

AdmlDj
June 7th, 2010, 02:34 AM
Oddly enough, that was my thought on how to get Destiny back to the MW, Ask the former followers of the Ori for help. There are Stargates out where Destiny is. Find and uninhabited planet, determine it's gate address, using a Black Hole in the Ori galaxy as a power source, dial the 9 symbol address of the planet in question. Use the same process that was used in "Beachhead" to send the Supergate elements through while using a forcefield to crush the planet into a Black Hole.

This would be done after the crew can gain control of the ship and control it's course. Use the completed Super Gate to Dial the one in The Milky Way, and go home.

You could even use the Super Gates to send one of our newer ships back out to assume Destiny's mission with a ship that isn't falling apart. Destiny could then be studied by Earth scientists.

there is a couple of problems with this approach namely the priors and doci didnt seem to have any real knowledge they were acting on the instructions of the ori for all we know all the knowledge and technology of the ori was lost with them and adria so making a supergate might be a problem let alone carry out your plan sorry dude

J_schinderlin56
June 7th, 2010, 08:11 AM
You space nerds need to chill out on the accuracy of astrology stuff. Not fun.

I know, I'm a Leo. I just wish people would get it right for once!

J_schinderlin56
June 7th, 2010, 08:11 AM
there is a couple of problems with this approach namely the priors and doci didnt seem to have any real knowledge they were acting on the instructions of the ori for all we know all the knowledge and technology of the ori was lost with them and adria so making a supergate might be a problem let alone carry out your plan sorry dude

Perhaps, but maybe the priors do remember how to do it. Never hurts to ask.

Krazeh
June 7th, 2010, 08:36 AM
No, I'm not a scientist. You have nitpicked some numbers that I got wrong, which I freely admit.

The biggest problem with your numbers appears to be that you're using a billion in the sense of 1,000,000,000,000 whereas in the english-speaking world it's now pretty much uniformly taken to be 1,000,000,000. As such all your estimates for the time taken to travel anywhere are out by a factor of 1000 which, when you consider it changes a ZPM powered 304 being able to reach Destiny in 73 years as opposed to 73 thousand years, is quite a significant difference.

J_schinderlin56
June 7th, 2010, 10:03 AM
The biggest problem with your numbers appears to be that you're using a billion in the sense of 1,000,000,000,000 whereas in the english-speaking world it's now pretty much uniformly taken to be 1,000,000,000. As such all your estimates for the time taken to travel anywhere are out by a factor of 1000 which, when you consider it changes a ZPM powered 304 being able to reach Destiny in 73 years as opposed to 73 thousand years, is quite a significant difference.

Intreasting, So I entered a Trillion, instead of a billion. I can see that. Thanks for checking my math, it never hurts to have a second pair of eyes. I was just trying to get a feel for how far away Destiny really is.

Demerzel
June 8th, 2010, 01:07 AM
Intreasting, So I entered a Trillion, instead of a billion. I can see that. Thanks for checking my math, it never hurts to have a second pair of eyes. I was just trying to get a feel for how far away Destiny really is.

Rush said Destiny was "several billion light years from home". That's pretty much the only mention of the distance aside from Young's statement to Telford that was said in a very sarcastic manner, as part of a sarcastic statement. So it's probably safe to say he wasn't being specific with that distance.

There's no way to know how far away they are until they specifically mention it in the show, and they most likely won't because it simply doesn't matter to the show. Even if they are "only" six or seven billion light years from earth (which is infinitely more likely than 20+ billion light years), it's still a mind-boggling distance.

jmoz
June 8th, 2010, 01:19 AM
This might have been discussed before but just forgive my ignorance of this and that and would appreciate any answer.

One thing that people have said was that the Lucian Alliance have gas masks and venting atmosphere would not have done anything. Isn't there a difference between gas masks and oxygen masks? Doesn't gas masks just filter the air already present? And oxygen masks provide oxygen because there's no air and they would have to have tanks or something to have the oxygen in right? Tell me if I'm way off. Wouldn't venting the atmosphere require them to have those tanks full of oxygen adding to the weight of things they would have to carry? And there's really no way they could have predicted they would need oxygen?

And another thing don't guns need oxygen to fire? Or am I off?

Demerzel
June 8th, 2010, 01:33 AM
Which makes it even more likely that Destiny is 20 billion ly out.

If we're getting drunk and arguing while camping far from any city, and I say "God, I wish the nearest Taco Bell wasn't a bloody million miles away from here, I so want a burrito!", does it mean we're really a million miles away? It's called a hyperbole, nothing more. If Rush had said it instead of Young, and in a more serious context, it might have weight.

For now, we have no idea. Maybe never will, if the show runners decide to simply never specify the distance at which Destiny is from earth, or how fast it's going. If I were them, I wouldn't. They messed up the timeline with the Ancients quite a bit and contradicted themselves a few times also, so I'm guessing this time they just won't give us any specific amount of time or distance.

pipi
June 8th, 2010, 02:06 AM
This might have been discussed before but just forgive my ignorance of this and that and would appreciate any answer.

One thing that people have said was that the Lucian Alliance have gas masks and venting atmosphere would not have done anything. Isn't there a difference between gas masks and oxygen masks? Doesn't gas masks just filter the air already present? And oxygen masks provide oxygen because there's no air and they would have to have tanks or something to have the oxygen in right? Tell me if I'm way off. Wouldn't venting the atmosphere require them to have those tanks full of oxygen adding to the weight of things they would have to carry? And there's really no way they could have predicted they would need oxygen?

And another thing don't guns need oxygen to fire? Or am I off?

Yeah, gas masks won't do any good if there is no air to filter. I thought the Lucian Alliance were going to use gas to knock people out.

With bullets, I believe the combustion happens inside the shell casing which is sealed. So there'll be a bit of air and gun powder inside them.

jmoz
June 8th, 2010, 02:56 AM
Yeah, gas masks won't do any good if there is no air to filter. I thought the Lucian Alliance were going to use gas to knock people out.

With bullets, I believe the combustion happens inside the shell casing which is sealed. So there'll be a bit of air and gun powder inside them.

Don't know about the gun having enough air in the shell casing. Don't know if you've seen Firefly, but Jayne put his gun, Vera I think, in that suit to shoot it. So it probably needs more oxygen than the little left in the casings and whatnot.

J_schinderlin56
June 8th, 2010, 08:52 AM
If we're getting drunk and arguing while camping far from any city, and I say "God, I wish the nearest Taco Bell wasn't a bloody million miles away from here, I so want a burrito!", does it mean we're really a million miles away? It's called a hyperbole, nothing more. If Rush had said it instead of Young, and in a more serious context, it might have weight.

For now, we have no idea. Maybe never will, if the show runners decide to simply never specify the distance at which Destiny is from earth, or how fast it's going. If I were them, I wouldn't. They messed up the timeline with the Ancients quite a bit and contradicted themselves a few times also, so I'm guessing this time they just won't give us any specific amount of time or distance.

Why do you have to be so damn rude? We're just talking about a TV show.

J_schinderlin56
June 8th, 2010, 09:06 AM
Rush said Destiny was "several billion light years from home". That's pretty much the only mention of the distance aside from Young's statement to Telford that was said in a very sarcastic manner, as part of a sarcastic statement. So it's probably safe to say he wasn't being specific with that distance.

There's no way to know how far away they are until they specifically mention it in the show, and they most likely won't because it simply doesn't matter to the show. Even if they are "only" six or seven billion light years from earth (which is infinitely more likely than 20+ billion light years), it's still a mind-boggling distance.

I like to watch science fiction because it makes me think about possibilities. It helps me expand my horizons. If I want pull out a calculator and make a few guesses based on numbers the show has given us, what's it to you? Can you really know for sure that Young's statement wasn't based in fact, No you can't, because no real numbers have been stated yet. I'm not saying they are in FACT 20 Billion out, I'm just saying they could be 20 Billion ly.

I'm also using real numbers given by the show in the past to support my HYPOTHESIS. When I'm wrong, I admit it. You started this arguement by saying that it was impossible that they could be that far out, I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying it's possible. There's no need to be so rude about it.

Expand your mind man.

Demerzel
June 8th, 2010, 11:40 AM
I like to watch science fiction because it makes me think about possibilities. It helps me expand my horizons. If I want pull out a calculator and make a few guesses based on numbers the show has given us, what's it to you? Can you really know for sure that Young's statement wasn't based in fact, No you can't, because no real numbers have been stated yet. I'm not saying they are in FACT 20 Billion out, I'm just saying they could be 20 Billion ly.

I'm also using real numbers given by the show in the past to support my HYPOTHESIS. When I'm wrong, I admit it. You started this arguement by saying that it was impossible that they could be that far out, I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying it's possible. There's no need to be so rude about it.

Expand your mind man.

I'm not rude, I just don't sugarcoat everything I say and I call things as I see them. You could call me antagonistic, but I didn't mean to be rude.

And my mind doesn't need to expand, thank you very much. I haven't learned about cosmology in Stargate, or on Wikipedia like a lot of people who claim to "know" things because they read it there, but in books written by people like Lisa Randall (I challenge you to get through the first chapter of her book, Warped Passages. I'm sure the first 10 pages would give you a headache :P), Hawking and others.

No mind expansion for me, thanks. :P

J_schinderlin56
June 8th, 2010, 02:00 PM
I'm not rude, I just don't sugarcoat everything I say and I call things as I see them. You could call me antagonistic, but I didn't mean to be rude.

And my mind doesn't need to expand, thank you very much. I haven't learned about cosmology in Stargate, or on Wikipedia like a lot of people who claim to "know" things because they read it there, but in books written by people like Lisa Randall (I challenge you to get through the first chapter of her book, Warped Passages. I'm sure the first 10 pages would give you a headache :P), Hawking and others.

No mind expansion for me, thanks. :P

You're pretty good at making fun of me without knowing anything about me, and still not proving your point which was:

"the universe is only 13.75 billion years old, so Destiny can't possibly be 20 billion light years from Earth."

There exists a spot in the universe 20 Billion Light Years away from Earth, With a fast enough FTL drive I could get there in the space of 4 Million or 400,000 years even if I'm moving fast enough. Which is a shorter amount of time that 13.75 Billion Years.

But what do I know, the only things I've ever done in my entire life are watch Stargate and read Wikipedia. Maybe I should read some of them thare fancy books, so that I can make an incorrect statement and then make fun of someone for pointing it out because they used Wikipedia as a quick reference while talking to someone on the Internet.

KEK
June 8th, 2010, 03:41 PM
You're pretty good at making fun of me without knowing anything about me, and still not proving your point which was:

"the universe is only 13.75 billion years old, so Destiny can't possibly be 20 billion light years from Earth."

There exists a spot in the universe 20 Billion Light Years away from Earth, With a fast enough FTL drive I could get there in the space of 4 Million or 400,000 years even if I'm moving fast enough. Which is a shorter amount of time that 13.75 Billion Years.

But what do I know, the only things I've ever done in my entire life are watch Stargate and read Wikipedia. Maybe I should read some of them thare fancy books, so that I can make an incorrect statement and then make fun of someone for pointing it out because they used Wikipedia as a quick reference while talking to someone on the Internet.

No there doesn't, there can't be, not if the universe is only 13 billion years old. The universe can't expand faster than light.

SciFiRick
June 8th, 2010, 04:44 PM
By the way I did a few calculations, and I might be off here. Young said that they were 20 Billion Light Years from Earth.

A 304 With a ZPM powered Hyper Drive reached Atlantis ( 3 Million Light years) in 4 days. Giving it a top speed of 274 Million times the Speed of Light.

With an endless supply of ZPMs, and an indestructible Hyperdrive, and not stopping for any reason, The Hammond could reach the Destiny's position in about 73 Thousand Years. That's how far out they are just for reference.

The only known way to travel that distance in a ship is to do what Atlantis did in the SGA finale. Wormhole Drive. But that was using ZPM's and it is not known if Destiny has ZPM's as a back up capability to the solar power or can the ship be converted from solar power to ZPM power. Super Gates allowed ships to move from one galaxy to another but if it takes a planet full of naquada to power a standard Stargate with 9 chevrons then what would it take to power a Super Gate millions of light years to Destiny? Bottom line is that we all agree that there is no way to return back to Earth until the writers creative juices get going and we witness a new discovery.

Krazeh
June 8th, 2010, 05:06 PM
No there doesn't, there can't be, not if the universe is only 13 billion years old. The universe can't expand faster than light.

Actually our current theories about the universe are that it's doing exactly that. The currently observable diameter of the universe is somewhere in the region of 93 billion light years i think. It may very well be larger but we don't know because there hasn't been enough time for light or other electromagnetic radiation to reach us from that distance yet.


The only known way to travel that distance in a ship is to do what Atlantis did in the SGA finale. Wormhole Drive. But that was using ZPM's and it is not known if Destiny has ZPM's as a back up capability to the solar power or can the ship be converted from solar power to ZPM power. Super Gates allowed ships to move from one galaxy to another but if it takes a planet full of naquada to power a standard Stargate with 9 chevrons then what would it take to power a Super Gate millions of light years to Destiny? Bottom line is that we all agree that there is no way to return back to Earth until the writers creative juices get going and we witness a new discovery.

Or by using the correct definition of billion which would give a travel time of 73 years, which while still pretty long isn't necessarily an unsurmountable travel time.

J_schinderlin56
June 8th, 2010, 05:12 PM
Not from Wikipedia:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#DN

Look under the question: If the Universe is only 14 billion years old, how can we see objects that are now 47 billion light years away?

SciFiRick
June 8th, 2010, 05:13 PM
I think Kiva will be killed, and Varro will order the rest to surrender and work with the Icarus group. He seems pretty reasonable.

I think Varro makes sense. I just wonder if both Young & Telford survive, who will be the MAN!!

J_schinderlin56
June 8th, 2010, 05:13 PM
Actually our current theories about the universe are that it's doing exactly that. The currently observable diameter of the universe is somewhere in the region of 93 billion light years i think. It may very well be larger but we don't know because there hasn't been enough time for light or other electromagnetic radiation to reach us from that distance yet.



Or by using the correct definition of billion which would give a travel time of 73 years, which while still pretty long isn't necessarily an unsurmountable travel time.

Yeah, I screwed that up big time. Heh heh. Sorry.

J_schinderlin56
June 8th, 2010, 05:15 PM
The only known way to travel that distance in a ship is to do what Atlantis did in the SGA finale. Wormhole Drive. But that was using ZPM's and it is not known if Destiny has ZPM's as a back up capability to the solar power or can the ship be converted from solar power to ZPM power. Super Gates allowed ships to move from one galaxy to another but if it takes a planet full of naquada to power a standard Stargate with 9 chevrons then what would it take to power a Super Gate millions of light years to Destiny? Bottom line is that we all agree that there is no way to return back to Earth until the writers creative juices get going and we witness a new discovery.

Super Gates are supposed to be powered by black holes

SciFiRick
June 8th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Super Gates are supposed to be powered by black holes

Yep, That is right. But wasn't that what it took to move from the Ori galaxy to the Milky Way gakaxy? I don't remember how much further that is compared to Pegasus & the Milky Way but I guess it is up to interpretation if a black hole powered Super Gate can take a ship to that great a distance to reach Destiny.

I would assume that the Lantians discussed a final destination for Destiny. Was it suppose to circle back to Earth? I would think that Destiny is collecting data that would be retrieved by someone someday. Is this what the LA is wanting to learn and hoping there is information in the databanks that will tell them how to get back to Earth in the event of an emergency. Of course, there is that Master Code to figure out.

Here is another theory. Assuming Destiny is constantly collecting and storing data. Could this information being constantly sent back through sub space? If so, would it make sense that there is a receiving station in the Milky Way or on Earth? Is it safe to say that the Lantians wouldn't want to wait years or even thousands of years to analyze the data?

Demerzel
June 9th, 2010, 10:57 PM
Not from Wikipedia:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#DN

Look under the question: If the Universe is only 14 billion years old, how can we see objects that are now 47 billion light years away?

Congratulations.

I shall put your name forward for the Nobel prize this year. (Yes, I'm being rude this time. Bite me. :P )

As for the other things, once again it's impossible to be logical and try to apply our real life physics to the show. This is SGU. Supergates and ZPMs don't exist in this show unlike the previous two (I don't see that changing anytime soon). The universe itself is different than in real life, the cosmology isn't the same either. Like I said before, the Stargate universe contradicts itself quite a lot, so all we can do is throw ideas and opinions out there, cause we simply can't know for sure. I'm sure even the show runners don't bother thinking about that kind of detail.

Now, it's pretty much been established that Destiny's FTL is either as fast or faster than a ZPM-powered 304. I deduce that from the fact that they crossed the void between galaxies in about the same time it took a ZPM-powered 304 to go from the Milky Way to Pegasus. Then again, it wasn't specified in the show how long it took, so it's all a guestimate.

So if Destiny took millions of years to get to where it's at, how could a 304 get there in 73 years?

Some things are simply not meant to make sense. It's sci-fi, after all. The only laws are those set by the writers.

Kanten
June 9th, 2010, 11:33 PM
Yep, That is right. But wasn't that what it took to move from the Ori galaxy to the Milky Way gakaxy? I don't remember how much further that is compared to Pegasus & the Milky Way but I guess it is up to interpretation if a black hole powered Super Gate can take a ship to that great a distance to reach Destiny.

There's one more problem: You need another supergate on the other side.

Krazeh
June 10th, 2010, 04:09 AM
Now, it's pretty much been established that Destiny's FTL is either as fast or faster than a ZPM-powered 304. I deduce that from the fact that they crossed the void between galaxies in about the same time it took a ZPM-powered 304 to go from the Milky Way to Pegasus. Then again, it wasn't specified in the show how long it took, so it's all a guestimate.

Err, where has that been established? As you said it's all a complete guess as you have no idea of the distance between the two galaxies Destiny travelled from and to. Neither do you have any details of the time it actually took to travel between the 2 galaxies, the only thing we do know for sure is that the travel time was thought to be long enough that they needed to implement strict food and water rationing during the crossing. All in all I think we're a long way from establishing that Destiny's FTL is anywhere near as fast as a ZPM-powered 304.

Demerzel
June 10th, 2010, 08:17 AM
Err, where has that been established? As you said it's all a complete guess as you have no idea of the distance between the two galaxies Destiny travelled from and to. Neither do you have any details of the time it actually took to travel between the 2 galaxies, the only thing we do know for sure is that the travel time was thought to be long enough that they needed to implement strict food and water rationing during the crossing. All in all I think we're a long way from establishing that Destiny's FTL is anywhere near as fast as a ZPM-powered 304.

Well it's a best guess. In the end like you said, there's no way to know. At least not yet but it is likely we simply won't get clear answers on that subject. As much as it's interesting to wonder and discuss, it's not relevant to the show, unfortunately.

But you bring up a good point with the food rationing, I had completely forgotten about that.

J_schinderlin56
June 10th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Demerzel,

You sure are right about the Stargate universe contradicting itself. In the first movie Abydois was in "The Kaylem Galaxy.. On the other side of the known universe." Then in "Children of the Gods" They said it was the closest gate to Earth.

Early on in SG1 they would make statments like p3x blah blah blah is several galaxys away. It was't until later in the show that they established that they were just bouncing around the local Milky Way gate network.

Who knows what they'll come up with next.

Demerzel
June 10th, 2010, 11:02 AM
Demerzel,

You sure are right about the Stargate universe contradicting itself. In the first movie Abydois was in "The Kaylem Galaxy.. On the other side of the known universe." Then in "Children of the Gods" They said it was the closest gate to Earth.

Early on in SG1 they would make statments like p3x blah blah blah is several galaxys away. It was't until later in the show that they established that they were just bouncing around the local Milky Way gate network.

Who knows what they'll come up with next.

By the way.

Subversion was in my video playlist and randomly started playing an hour ago, and I paid attention to the scene with Telford and Young when Telford says they're on duty and shouldn't drink. The scene you took your 20 billion light years from. Well. Watch it again, when you can, and turn the volume up. Young says "We're both A billion light years from the closest disciplinary hearing.". A billion. One. He never says twenty.

Just saying.

garhkal
June 12th, 2010, 04:18 AM
I know, I'm a Leo. I just wish people would get it right for once!

WEll if you are a Leo, as the lion 'king',you ARE right..

Its just that i am left therefore i am more right than you;););)


I think Kiva will be killed, and Varro will order the rest to surrender and work with the Icarus group. He seems pretty reasonable.

With the way P2 ended, i certainly hope so. He does seem more reasonable.


Here is another theory. Assuming Destiny is constantly collecting and storing data. Could this information being constantly sent back through sub space? If so, would it make sense that there is a receiving station in the Milky Way or on Earth? Is it safe to say that the Lantians wouldn't want to wait years or even thousands of years to analyze the data?

Nothing we have seen so far, indicates that ANYTHING about it is coming back, otherwise they would have known it's condition.

Demerzel
June 12th, 2010, 09:56 AM
I know this topic is almost dead since J_schinderlin56 has stopped replying but I'll post it anyway in case you see it.

In Incursion Part 2 when Eli and Chloe have their conversation about her friends on earth not being real friends, Eli clearly says "they're a billion years away". Second time a main character directly gives one billion light years as their distance from earth. So I think it's pretty safe to say this is the right number.

xxxevilgrinxxx
June 12th, 2010, 10:04 AM
I know this topic is almost dead since J_schinderlin56 has stopped replying but I'll post it anyway in case you see it.

In Incursion Part 2 when Eli and Chloe have their conversation about her friends on earth not being real friends, Eli clearly says "they're a billion years away". Second time a main character directly gives one billion light years as their distance from earth. So I think it's pretty safe to say this is the right number.

or it could be a way of saying "it's a really freaking long way". Might as well say a bagillion :)

Shai Hulud
June 13th, 2010, 05:55 AM
In Air you see Rush access the Destiny's routemap thus far, if your really that bothered about the distance travelled then perhaps study that, it should give some indication as to exactly how far from Earth the ship has travelled, even if its not to scale?