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Stargate: Horizon
June 2nd, 2010, 11:34 AM
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Shadows of Things to Come, Part Two

The true origins of the Ingrali are finally revealed as Season Four concludes!


Click here to read the episode! (http://www.freewebs.com/stargate-horizon/425_shadows_of_things_to_come_part2.pdf)

Alex Rubit
June 10th, 2010, 03:13 PM
The final episode of Season Four is now available! And could that synopsis be any more vague and mysterious? ;)

There's a brief update on the website (http://stargate-horizon.webs.com). You can definitely expect plenty of updates between now and October when Season Five premieres. Look for the first few episode titles and more to pop up in the next few weeks.

Well, this is it! To say that it's been a long, long season would probably be an understatement. But it's finally come to an end. For me personally it's a great feeling of relief and completion, and I'm really happy with where it ends... and eager to start Season Five! And a special thanks has to again go to all of you guys for your support and continued interest!

There's lots of things to discuss about this episode, so don't be shy. :)

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 10th, 2010, 03:15 PM
. Read the update though can't wait for season five.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 10th, 2010, 03:40 PM
I just got say this: it was well worth the wait. I got so many questions. Is sivok working for the ingrali? Will Logan and Lenori make it? Any chance of doing a prologue like you did rogues back in season three? Will the ingrali go after earth? Or vorian? Will Daniel stay ascended for good this time? Who's returning for Season 5?

I got that End of camelot feeling at the end. This was a Good not wait great season finale.

Alex Rubit
June 10th, 2010, 03:55 PM
I just got say this: it was well worth the wait.

Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!


I got so many questions. Is sivok working for the ingrali?

We deliberately left his motivations unclear. But needless to say, why he's doing what he's doing will be a big part of Season Five. It seems like a very dark turn for his character.


Will Logan and Lenori make it?

Good questions, indeed. :)


Any chance of doing a prologue like you did rogues back in season three?

It could be interesting to do another prequel, but there's no plans for that at the moment.


Will the ingrali go after earth? Or vorian?

More good questions. ;)


Will Daniel stay ascended for good this time?

So did he ascend? It seemed like it, but... we'll have to wait and see what happened to him.


I got that End of camelot feeling at the end. This was. Good season finale.

I agree, it had a similar feeling at the end. It wasn't a deliberate choice, but I think it works well.

What's interesting is that this is the first time ever we've released our season finale in the same week as Stargate on TV is airing its finale in the US and Candada, and it looks like the new seasons will be premiering around the same time (in October) as well. So for the first time it feels a little bit like the two shows airing together. ;)

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 10th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Yeah. I would love to see a Grant/O'Neill scene after they get outta this mess cause O'Neill has the right to know that John couldn't stop Daniel from being taken. And which brings me to the next question why did Jack even let Daniel go to horizon yet he wouldn't let Daniel go to Atlantis?

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 10th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Why didn't you have any f-302 flying around trying to help?

Alex Rubit
June 10th, 2010, 04:10 PM
And which brings me to the next question why did Jack even let Daniel go to horizon yet he wouldn't let Daniel go to Atlantis?

By the time Daniel went to Horizon SG1 hadn't been together anymore and they were all pretty much doing their own thing, while still occassionaly working together probably, along the lines of Daniel working for O'Neill in SGU's "Subversion". Of course, at the time "Gateway of the Gods" was written, SGU hadn't been on the air yet, but I think it actually fits together really nicely.

And once Daniel was able to recognize the Keepers' writing in Malaysia, he deep down felt that there was a reason for it and that by staying on Horizon he could find that reason. And that's how we got to where we are now.

As far as O'Neill being in Season Five, I really like that idea if he'd make an appearance or two in the way he's appeared on SGU. But it will depend on if we find a way to work him in.

Alex Rubit
June 10th, 2010, 04:14 PM
Why didn't you have any f-302 flying around trying to help?

I think if the battle had continued some of the Earth ships may have launched some 302s, but it all went pretty fast and the Ingrali fired that weapon of theirs.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 10th, 2010, 04:22 PM
I think if the battle had continued some of the Earth ships may have launched some 302s, but it all went pretty fast and the Ingrali fired that weapon of theirs.

I don't know why but I got That revolution feeling again. Love to see more earth based episodes again ala temple of secrets what fear does/civil defense .....

Alex Rubit
June 10th, 2010, 04:25 PM
I don't know why but I got That revolution feeling again.

Yeah, that weapon they used was very similiar to the one the biosphere in "Revolution" had.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 10th, 2010, 04:31 PM
Any chance of a sangraal esque weapon search in season 5 considering the fact that the Asgard beam weapons don't work against the ingrali (which their ships remind me of the romulans for some reason)

Alex Rubit
June 10th, 2010, 08:35 PM
Any chance of a sangraal esque weapon search in season 5 considering the fact that the Asgard beam weapons don't work against the ingrali (which their ships remind me of the romulans for some reason)

I don't think they'll be searching for any weapons, since that's been already done and it would even be similiar to what we did in Season Three. But Season Five will involve the search for a certain mysterious location.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 10th, 2010, 10:40 PM
What about Ultera? It was made reference to in Part 1 of the Season Finale will be going back there before Season Five is up?

nano
June 11th, 2010, 12:35 AM
weee its out :)

nano
June 11th, 2010, 01:57 AM
alex u realy are evil just ascending daniel like that and leaving us without a clue thats just pure EVIL
and my biggest curiosity is to where did he ascend....

to quote anubis "There are diferent planes of existence"

and the only reason i gave it a 4 is that superweapons have been done to death :S
and we now have a new super powerfull enemy also done to death :(
would have been more nice with a even powered or even a bit underpowered enemy thats just verry cunning ^^
so i see only one way for this to go if its gonna be a new direction: Ascended Daniel is gonna be intefering on a daily basis

Elite Anubis Guard
June 11th, 2010, 10:25 AM
I think it's not so much that these enemies are super powerful but rather how the situation seems to have been completely shaken up. The Bellepheron is now gone. The Enoly are gone. Sivok is now an enemy again but from the sounds of it we don't know how that's going to pan out. Was he convinced by the Ingrali that they were the right ones to lead? He mentioned free will earlier. Was this his choice, for the betterment of his people?

I think we'll be searching for the "point of origin" in Season 5 but how that'll all tie together, I don't know. Daniel probably ascended to the Nebulan plane this time and I imagine we'll be seeing so much more of them from now on.

Absolutely loved this episode. So much twisted and turned on it's head. I also got the Camelot vibe which was awesome because Camelot was easily one of the best SG finales. So much hopelessness and confusion. I'm quite eager to have some deaths due to that fight. Maybe Logan and maybe Lenori too. Just not Percival. Anyone but Percival.

And wow, it's been over 2 years since Season 4 premiered. Tough times but it's done now and what a bang.

Scaer
June 11th, 2010, 11:57 AM
I've been following this series for quite some while now and I really like it. I can hardly wait until October when season 5 starts airing.
In contrairy to other people I'm not that sure Daniel has ascended. Yes, he realizes something, but who says that it isn't something else. His body was dying, so maybe his consiousness was just transported out and was that the light. Ok, I might be looking it to far, but for an ascended being who isn't aloud to interfere with lower plains, isn't it very difficult to lead the way? I hope that Lenori will make it, because I wonder how his relationship with Christine/Kayla is going to evolve.

Alex Rubit
June 11th, 2010, 12:01 PM
What about Ultera? It was made reference to in Part 1 of the Season Finale will be going back there before Season Five is up?

I don't think we'll be going back there since they never found anything there that would explain more about where and especially what this Point of Origin is.

Alex Rubit
June 11th, 2010, 12:14 PM
and the only reason i gave it a 4 is that superweapons have been done to death :S
and we now have a new super powerfull enemy also done to death :(
would have been more nice with a even powered or even a bit underpowered enemy thats just verry cunning ^^

It's true that powerful enemies have been done, but first and foremost we always look at it from the point of view of what we've done on this particular series with these characters. And it will be quite a different situation they'll be finding themselves in once Season Five starts. And also the idea is really that now, as it gets closer to the end of the series, the stakes are higher than ever before, and you'll really get the feeling that no one is safe and anything could happen.

Alex Rubit
June 11th, 2010, 12:25 PM
And wow, it's been over 2 years since Season 4 premiered. Tough times but it's done now and what a bang.

Yeah, this has been the longest season in the history of long seasons I guess. :) In a way I feels like it has two parts; episodes 4.01 thru 4.16, which was the original run, and then 4.17 thru 4.25 which aired between last year and now.

Alex Rubit
June 11th, 2010, 12:27 PM
I've been following this series for quite some while now and I really like it. I can hardly wait until October when season 5 starts airing.

That's great to hear, I'm glad you like it! And thanks for taking the time to post here! :)


In contrairy to other people I'm not that sure Daniel has ascended. Yes, he realizes something, but who says that it isn't something else. His body was dying, so maybe his consiousness was just transported out and was that the light. Ok, I might be looking it to far, but for an ascended being who isn't aloud to interfere with lower plains, isn't it very difficult to lead the way?

Those are all very good points. It was really intended to be vague and left open to interpretation.

nano
June 12th, 2010, 01:34 AM
It's true that powerful enemies have been done, but first and foremost we always look at it from the point of view of what we've done on this particular series with these characters. And it will be quite a different situation they'll be finding themselves in once Season Five starts. And also the idea is really that now, as it gets closer to the end of the series, the stakes are higher than ever before, and you'll really get the feeling that no one is safe and anything could happen.

Yeah i realy hope u manage to create something new and unique out of it since atm it feels a bit like s09e20 of sg1
but that wasnt the reason i gave it a 4 :P u got argon101 and his dark frontier to blame for that :D

Elite Anubis Guard
June 12th, 2010, 07:18 AM
Yeah, this has been the longest season in the history of long seasons I guess. :) In a way I feels like it has two parts; episodes 4.01 thru 4.16, which was the original run, and then 4.17 thru 4.25 which aired between last year and now.

That's one way to put it and it really does feel like that.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 15th, 2010, 12:44 AM
considering the fate of Daniel and lenori Will we be seeing a major cast change if lenori or daniel or both of them don't make it? If so will we be looking at 6 cast line up like we've seen in sG-1 and Atlantis or will we be looking at the same 7 - 8 cast lineup like SGU and SGH?

Alex Rubit
June 15th, 2010, 11:58 AM
considering the fate of Daniel and lenori Will we be seeing a major cast change if lenori or daniel or both of them don't make it? If so will we be looking at 6 cast line up like we've seen in sG-1 and Atlantis or will we be looking at the same 7 - 8 cast lineup like SGU and SGH?

Answering that would require me to give clues as to whether or not those two will be around for Season Five. ;) Anything is possible, but I'm curious as to what you guys think will happen with Lenori and Daniel, especially with Daniel being of great importance with regards to what's to come (assuming that Ja'vin was telling the truth).

Elite Anubis Guard
June 15th, 2010, 02:57 PM
I think he'll ascend to the Nebulan plane. I really don't know about Lenori. I really don't want him to go.

Alex Rubit
June 15th, 2010, 10:14 PM
I think he'll ascend to the Nebulan plane. I really don't know about Lenori. I really don't want him to go.

That leads to the question (and we should probably start a new thread for this) of just what exactly do you think the "Nebulan plane" is? What's different between them and the ascended Ancients? And yes, this is something that will be addressed before the series ends. That much I can say. :)

Alex Rubit
June 15th, 2010, 10:19 PM
Also, and this is probably something that would be heavily discussed if this were on TV, how do you think Grant will react to what Sivok did? Since Grant was the one who actually let Sivok come along on the Bellerophon.

If you go back and re-read that scene where Sivok approaches Grant about joining them, what Grant (and the audience at that point) don't know is that Sivok's motivation is to come along in order to stop them from carrying out their plan. If Grant had said no, there's nothing Sivok could have done about it, and most likely the Bellerophon would have succeeded in destroying the Ingrali base on the other side of the passage.

So... hmm. That's interesting, isn't it? One could say that was certainly quite a mistake, especially as Grant himself was the one that has been saying for the past four episodes or so that he doesn't trust Sivok and he thinks he's up to something. But then he does let him come along.

This was done intentionally because I think it's important to have characters that do make mistakes and they don't always make the right calls. I'm actually surprised that no one has brought this up so far with regards to this.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 16th, 2010, 05:02 AM
Regarding grant and sivok Im going to guess that before the series is up Grant and Sivok they're going to have one last face off and when they do its going to be for keeps. Grant's antagonistic relationship with sivok reminded me of John Sheppard and Todd's antagonistic relationship.

Elite Anubis Guard
June 16th, 2010, 01:57 PM
I think this one will end up more fatal. I don't think Todd betrayed Sheppard to the extent Sivok has. It feels a lot like full circle to me. Sivok is the enemy once again and the Enoly are gone. Was this always planned?

Alex Rubit
June 16th, 2010, 02:22 PM
Was this always planned?

It was actually. We've always known that ultimately Sivok's path would be taking him down a very dark road. So when we originally started Season Four we knew we needed to start setting that up, which is what led to "Eden". And the Ingrali reveal and them taking over the Ascendant Empire has also been planned for a while.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 16th, 2010, 04:54 PM
I think this one will end up more fatal. I don't think Todd betrayed Sheppard to the extent Sivok has. It feels a lot like full circle to me. Sivok is the enemy once again and the Enoly are gone. Was this always planned?

And we will never know considering there probably won't be an Atlantis movie for oh quite some time. And regarding movies any chance of seeing a Horizon "Movie" in the future after Season 5?

Alex Rubit
June 16th, 2010, 09:47 PM
And regarding movies any chance of seeing a Horizon "Movie" in the future after Season 5?

Well, the one thing I can say about the kind of ending it will be is that the stories of these particular characters will have been told once the series finale has been released. It will be much more of a definite ending that we'll be finishing the series with (the type of finales you may have seen on shows such as Battlestar Galactica, Deep Space Nine, or more recently, LOST), which was always how I was planning to do it actually.

The Stargate universe, needless to say of course, will continue, but this particular "corner" of the Stargate universe that we've been playing in, and these characters' journies (this includes the regulars and the many recurring characters) that we've been following, that will all be resolved in one way or another by the end. You'll get a really good idea of where all of them will end up at. Which means it's unlikely there'll be a movie beyond the series. You never know these things completely for sure, and I'm someone would would never say "never", but right now there's no plans for that.

However, that being said, this also means that this final season will be quite an event!

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 16th, 2010, 09:57 PM
Well, the one thing I can say about the kind of ending it will be is that the stories of these particular characters will have been told once the series finale has been released. It will be much more of a definite ending that we'll be finishing the series with (the type of finales you may have seen on shows such as Battlestar Galactica, Deep Space Nine, or more recently, LOST), which was always how I was planning to do it actually.

The Stargate universe, needless to say of course, will continue, but this particular "corner" of the Stargate universe that we've been playing in, and these characters' journies (this includes the regulars and the many recurring characters) that we've been following, that will all be resolved in one way or another by the end. You'll get a really good idea of where all of them will end up at. Which means it's unlikely there'll be a movie beyond the series. You never know these things completely for sure, and I'm someone would would never say "never", but right now there's no plans for that.

However, that being said, this also means that this final season will be quite an event!

Any chance of doing a 24 thing you know a 2 night 4 hour premiere? That way you can draw more readers and really start the final season off with a bang. As for the series finale I would like you see a major episode like Atlantis enemy at the gate but make it into a two part series finale cause I was disappointed with EATG cause they rushed everything into one episode when they had the ability to turn EATG into a two parter and really end the series on a high note.

Alex Rubit
June 16th, 2010, 10:28 PM
Any chance of doing a 24 thing you know a 2 night 4 hour premiere? That way you can draw more readers and really start the final season off with a bang.

It might be a two hour season premiere, but that hasn't been decided for sure yet. We will certainly be doing a lot of promotion on as many sites as we can, and there'll also be primers that will cover the events of the first four seasons, to draw in as many readers as possible.


As for the series finale I would like you see a major episode like Atlantis enemy at the gate but make it into a two part series finale

The finale will definitely be two hours.

Elite Anubis Guard
June 17th, 2010, 12:26 AM
EATG was the worse episode of Atlantis I've seen. I do hope we have nothing like the wormhole drive appear.

syfygyrl
June 17th, 2010, 07:15 AM
That leads to the question (and we should probably start a new thread for this) of just what exactly do you think the "Nebulan plane" is? What's different between them and the ascended Ancients? And yes, this is something that will be addressed before the series ends. That much I can say. :)

Hmm. The Ancients viewed them as their gods right (I think I remember something about that.)? So...
The Nebulan plane should be higher then the Ancient's plane. That's probably why the Ancient's ascended (disease & Wraith threat aside). To get closer to their gods.

Alex Rubit
June 17th, 2010, 10:03 AM
Hmm. The Ancients viewed them as their gods right (I think I remember something about that.)? So...
The Nebulan plane should be higher then the Ancient's plane. That's probably why the Ancient's ascended (disease & Wraith threat aside). To get closer to their gods.

Some of the Ancients did. And that's an interesting theory. What we do know is that the Nebulan exist outside of space and time, which also would mean they exist everywhere within space/time, because they're simply not restricted by space and time. One of the most interesting and mysterious lines the Nebulan Woman probably has had was in "Revelation," when she told Callen that while she's standing before him, she's also many other things in many different places.

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
June 17th, 2010, 12:10 PM
I always thought that the nebulan technology was maybe the origin for the ancient technology. Don't know why I thought that.

Elite Anubis Guard
June 17th, 2010, 01:32 PM
Maybe they are the creators of the universe, the definitive Gods.

Senku
August 26th, 2010, 07:29 AM
Well, here am I, ready to comment the last, but fortunately not least!

First things first: thank you guys. Really, you all should be hired as something by SG-TPTB, to write stories, to betareading, to... whatever! You have a talent and a certain feeling for storytelling withing this franchise. In other words: priceless. But in a year or two! Sorry, I'm being (very) egoistic here, but we all deserve a SGH-S5 and I hope you put all your efforts at it. (Feeling already bad about it, sorry! ;))

Now. Back to business.

This ep (I mean, 24+25), was terrific!! There's so many things, so many details, so many to tell about...

-The parts with Daniel pre-Catherine Langford, the true Daniel, his fears, his doubts... What happened to that kind of guy go public with the kind of ideas and theories? He was all but the type of character to do it. Until now, the only explanation was a non-told one "well, he sure reached a point where he hadn't nothing to lose and decided to public and there you go...", but this fits perfect, make sense. Should be canon!

-New powerful enemies, old nemesis: Man, the thing with Sivok was SO predictable but yet SO GOOD written, masterly placed, with a GREAT sense of timing... Ladies and gentlemen Welcome to the darkest side of John Grant. Will do Sivea prevent Grant to become a danger for himself? If anyone can, that's she. That's for sure! Anyway, the Ingrali are the new main enemy and they're a powerful one. Too powerful? We'll see...

Uh... I must go, may be I come later to make some comments ;)