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kyrax12
May 31st, 2010, 11:30 PM
I still don't grasp their power?

Most people said they have the power to travel from and across universes instantly.

They held the power to control galaxies.

They have the power to destroy life but a council won't allow it?

escyos
June 1st, 2010, 12:03 AM
i dont quite understand what it is you are asking?

the Ancients had powerful technology but it appears they were overconfident and not willing to spend much time and resources on projects that didnt yield quick responses. Seems far considering they had religious persecution, a plague and then an enemy that ate them.

General Jumper One
June 1st, 2010, 05:10 AM
Here is the complete timeline for the Ancients (http://www.gateworld.net/wiki/Ancients)

Ancients
http://www.gateworld.net/wiki/images/thumb/1/1d/Ancients.jpg/300px-Ancients.jpg

The original "builders of roads," the Ancients were once a race of advanced humans who were the original architects of the Stargate network.

According to the Asgard, they moved on from our part of space long ago. In fact, the Ancients learned to ascend to a higher plane of existence when a great plague swept across the galaxy. Many died out, but those who learned to ascend shed their corporeal form gained a new sense of purpose.

The Ancients were once key members of an alliance of four great races in the galaxy, along with the Asgard, the Nox and the Furlings. The Ancients lived on Earth long ago -- or perhaps evolved on Earth itself, millions of years before our species did. One Ancient, Ayiana, was buried in ice in Antarctica for millions of years. Ayiana was left behind by the Ancients when they left Earth with the city of Atlantis, moving to the Pegasus Galaxy between five and 10 million years ago.

In Pegasus the Ancients seeded human life on many hundreds of worlds, as they had once done in our galaxy. They lived there for millions of years -- but then they came upon a planet where a powerful enemy slept. The Ancients had never before encountered a race with technology that rivaled their own. Awakened, the Wraith began feeding on the human-populated worlds, until only Atlantis remained untouched. The Wraith brought their powerful weapons to bear on the city, but the Ancients' shield held. Defeated, they submerged the great city into the ocean, and the last of them fled through the gate back to Earth. There they presumabley lived out their lives, telling stories that gave rise to the legend of the lost city. It is not known if these survivors ever ascended or had any contact with the ascended Ancients.

The Stargate network proves that the Ancients were one of the universe's most advanced species many millions of years ago, and had great minds into constructing a means to disperse many thousands of Stargates across the vastness of space -- even beyond our galaxy. They even had the technology to stop the movement of time itself (on several planets at once) and reverse it a number of hours, though they were unable to perfect that particular technology. Other advanced technologies left behind by the species include a device capable of altering human DNA to bring out advanced abilities, a healing device capable of restoring life and even animating non-living tissue, and more.

What is left of the Ancients, through gaining a higher moral center after ascension, is a hierarchy of somewhat omni-present, ethereal beings who feel they must remove themselves from interaction with all cultures beneath their non-corporeal plane. To merely interact with an individual beneath is breaking their law. Assisting a lower being in discovering ascension is punished by banishment. Meddling in circumstances that change the direction of a civilization is by far the most dire offense.

As punishment for breaking this law, the Ancients have been known to wipe out entire civilizations and abandon the one responsible (such as Orlin). They have also forced (or tried to force) transgressors to descend back to corporeal form. Ancients are, by every means, capable of drastically altering courses of events at will. But, aside from their often cruel behavior, the Ancients do possess a high moral center that governs the majority's actions.

Ancients also have the ability to appear in human form or to reassume corporeal form permanently. Re-ascending then requires help from other Ancients.

Ascended beings have the ability to control weather conditions, turning a cloudless day into a hazardous lightning storm, and even using lightning as a weapon against enemies both in the air and on the ground.

Though the Ancients are not physically present, their actions have visibly altered the efforts of SG-1, among others. The Atlantis expedition is living in the Ancients' advanced city, which they were forced to abandon when the Wraith attacked thousands of years ago. Despite the fact that they are non-corporeal, they are still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

magictrick
June 1st, 2010, 12:08 PM
I still don't grasp their power?

Most people said they have the power to travel from and across universes instantly.

They held the power to control galaxies.

They have the power to destroy life but a council won't allow it?

Depends if you're referring to. The Ancients in their physical, human form - Alterans - were advanced technologically and seeded life in the Pegasus galaxy. They were part of the Great Alliance and judging from what we've heard they were the most advanced out of the 4 great races.

Then they ascended and became the ascended ancients, living on another plane of existence. So I guess they would be able to travel across galaxies instantly if they wanted.

I'm not sure what you mean about a council not allowing it.

General Jumper One
June 1st, 2010, 01:44 PM
I'm not sure what you mean about a council not allowing it.

He might be referring to the Ark of Truth, the Alteran council would allow their people to use the Ark because it would show the Ori the truth and the Council wouldn't use a technology that went against their beliefs.

sbz
June 1st, 2010, 03:24 PM
They were uber powerful... except when the plot required that they not be.

Just like Earth was the underdog... except when the plot required they have some secret weapon/tech (wormhole drive, I'm looking at you).

Ragitsu
June 1st, 2010, 05:05 PM
I think the actual showing of the Ancients in Stargate:Atlantis was a bad idea, especially since we see them as a typical arrogant superior-tech race making incredibly monumentally stupid decisions. Also, when something gets built up to such lofty expectations, faithful representation becomes exponentially difficult.

The Ancients were at their best when they were relatively unknown. When they were something that was continuously insulted/belittled (especially in order to make the Tauri/humans look good), that is when the spirit of what they were supposed to be, died.

General Jumper One
June 1st, 2010, 06:28 PM
I think the actual showing of the Ancients in Stargate:Atlantis was a bad idea, especially since we see them as a typical arrogant superior-tech race making incredibly monumentally stupid decisions. Also, when something gets built up to such lofty expectations, faithful representation becomes exponentially difficult.

The Ancients were at their best when they were relatively unknown. When they were something that was continuously insulted/belittled (especially in order to make the Tauri/humans look good), that is when the spirit of what they were supposed to be, died.

I think the Ancients became over confident after they left the Alliance and went to Pegasus. Before this time at the height of their civilization, they were smarter and didn't have the Wraith attacking them.

VampyreWraith
June 4th, 2010, 11:38 PM
I think the actual showing of the Ancients in Stargate:Atlantis was a bad idea, especially since we see them as a typical arrogant superior-tech race making incredibly monumentally stupid decisions. Also, when something gets built up to such lofty expectations, faithful representation becomes exponentially difficult.

The Ancients were at their best when they were relatively unknown. When they were something that was continuously insulted/belittled (especially in order to make the Tauri/humans look good), that is when the spirit of what they were supposed to be, died.

Regarding the pegasus ancients: I personally believe that the milky way ancients packed their slow children on atlantis and sent them off to pegasus cuz they didn't want to deal with them anymore. That would explain y the pegasus ancients werent always portrayed in the brightest light. Or maybe the plauge affected the atlantis ancients intelligence instead of killing them and they passed on their lack of super-intelligence to their children

bradly08
June 11th, 2010, 06:55 AM
Regarding the pegasus ancients: I personally believe that the milky way ancients packed their slow children on atlantis and sent them off to pegasus cuz they didn't want to deal with them anymore. That would explain y the pegasus ancients werent always portrayed in the brightest light. Or maybe the plauge affected the atlantis ancients intelligence instead of killing them and they passed on their lack of super-intelligence to their children

I believe that the Lantian's were a cousin race of the Alterans. They were in the milkyway for millions of years so its not that hard to imagine somekind of new species emerging from the orginal. The Lantians are just too different to the alterians to be the exactly same species.

VampyreWraith
June 11th, 2010, 07:10 AM
I believe that the Lantian's were a cousin race of the Alterans. They were in the milkyway for millions of years so its not that hard to imagine somekind of new species emerging from the orginal. The Lantians are just too different to the alterians to be the exactly same species.

they may have alreadly been mixed with some human when they left, so they werent as supersmart as the pureblood alterans. Or since they might have had to start over once in Pegasus, maybe they didnt have enough time/ people to do things right ; and if there weren't that many to begin with they wouldve had to further dilute the bloodline with the new humans they seeded, or start breeding with relatives which would cause a whole bunch of other problems.