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Mister Oragahn
May 20th, 2010, 08:44 PM
Sorry if this has been addressed. I may be missing something, quite tired here, but how could the Geek, Handsome and Pink Cheeks return to Destiny when the ship obviously was so far out of the galaxy, when the stargates have such a limited dialing range?
Feels like a detail slipped or something, cause I'm seeing like a BIG contradiction here, and my brain is not working at full capacity right there to bother 'splaining this.

Any ideas or som'thing guys?

s09119
May 20th, 2010, 08:45 PM
Sorry if this has been addressed. I may be missing something, quite tired here, but how could the Geek, Handsome and Pink Cheeks return to Destiny when the ship obviously was so far out of the galaxy, when the stargates have such a limited dialing range?
Feels like a detail slipped or something, cause I'm seeing like a BIG contradiction here, and my brain's not working at full capacity right there to bother 'splaining this.

Any ideas or som'thing guys?

It was just on the edge of the galaxy still, not yet in what we'd truly consider the "void." It was barley on the rim of the last gate's range, and had Destiny dropped out of FTL even a few light-years further out, they wouldn't have been able to dial in.

KEK
May 20th, 2010, 09:03 PM
CG scaling goof. Wouldn't be the first time.

Pharaoh Atem
May 20th, 2010, 09:35 PM
the SGu gates are the first generation of gates and are the oldest and limited compared to the sg1 & sga gates

Astrofighter
May 21st, 2010, 04:27 PM
yeah i would agree was just a mix up between the cgi guys and the producers

but its not a terrible exaggeration. we are about a third of the way outside of the the galaxy and therefore you can see a great deal of it. since we obviously leave in the galaxy and the galaxy is mostly flat we see it as such

but lets say the destiny traveled perpendicular through the last galaxy it would be exiting it and see the entire galaxy as a circle instead of the line that we see our galaxy as

again just a mix up, the gates are older and on gate on the far side of a galaxy can not access a gate on the other side of the same galaxy

HaMm3r
May 26th, 2010, 06:50 AM
I'm quoting myself here, from another thread...


Also, we learned one interesting tidbit about these older SGU stargates. When Eli is talking about the trio's time on the planet, he mentions that "on the second night the remote just lit up". So, from that we can gather that these gates have a range longer than the distance Destiny can cover in roughly 36 hours at FTL speeds. Granted, there's no way to make a precise estimate, given that we don't know the length of a day on that planet or what time of day it was when Destiny jumped. But, it was light when they got stranded so it had to have been more than one planetary rotation. We also saw evidence on the ship that at least one "night" had past, so I'm calling it 36 hours. Even if you don't agree, you have to admit that the gate range is a heck of a lot longer than expected.

kwlafayette
May 26th, 2010, 07:36 AM
Seems the range of the gates must be something like 10,000 light years. 100,000 would put most of the gates within a single galaxy within range, and that seems to much, unless the gates are really sparse, and the galaxy is really huge (Milky Way is 100,000 light years, Andromeda is about the same size). Also, it seems like Destiny must move at least as fast as 1000 light years an hour.

The Andromeda galaxy is 2 million light years away from our galaxy. That would be a trip time of about 83 days with those numbers. Months or weeks between galaxies seems about right, much slower than that and you start to get into years. They would definitely run out of power, or food and water, or both.

If we say the range of a single gate is 24,000 light years, and Destiny travels at 1000 light years an hour, then one day of travel puts you out of range of a gate. You can double those numbers, they still give you reasonable values given what we have seen in the show, but that is about it. Within a day or three, Destiny is out of range of any particular gate, and each gate is within range of a few dozen other gates.

kwlafayette
May 26th, 2010, 07:43 AM
Also, one interesting thing. If Destiny did not have enough power to make it to the next galaxy, it would calculate how much power it would need during a powerless drift period, so that when it did get to the galaxy, it would have enough power to raise the shields when it refueled. So without drawing power for FTL, and assuming no attacks or anything, Destiny would have power for thousands of years. FTL must be a real energy hog.

HaMm3r
May 26th, 2010, 07:54 AM
Also, one interesting thing. If Destiny did not have enough power to make it to the next galaxy, it would calculate how much power it would need during a powerless drift period, so that when it did get to the galaxy, it would have enough power to raise the shields when it refueled. So without drawing power for FTL, and assuming no attacks or anything, Destiny would have power for thousands of years. FTL must be a real energy hog.

That is a good point! I'm surprised Rush didn't think of the reserves in place for refueling. He already got fooled once by that, you'd think he'd learn. Of course, that scenario wouldn't have been as interesting of an episode, as Rush would have spent the entire 44 minutes making nasty faces and comments in front of a computer terminal.

Mister Oragahn
May 26th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Seems the range of the gates must be something like 10,000 light years. 100,000 would put most of the gates within a single galaxy within range, and that seems to much, unless the gates are really sparse, and the galaxy is really huge (Milky Way is 100,000 light years, Andromeda is about the same size). Also, it seems like Destiny must move at least as fast as 1000 light years an hour.

The Andromeda galaxy is 2 million light years away from our galaxy. That would be a trip time of about 83 days with those numbers. Months or weeks between galaxies seems about right, much slower than that and you start to get into years. They would definitely run out of power, or food and water, or both.

If we say the range of a single gate is 24,000 light years, and Destiny travels at 1000 light years an hour, then one day of travel puts you out of range of a gate. You can double those numbers, they still give you reasonable values given what we have seen in the show, but that is about it. Within a day or three, Destiny is out of range of any particular gate, and each gate is within range of a few dozen other gates.

There's a problem with that. In Lost we see maps and Destiny's route. On the map displayed on one of Destiny's consoles, there's like a total of 20-ish stops. Much more on the map displayed by the console on the alien ship.
So, even with the Destiny's version of the route, what it shows is that as the ship's route almost cuts the galaxy in half, its entire diameter is divided by the number of stops. They also are equally spaced. Even with a large galaxy like ours, 20 stops is 5000 LY, and we know that it's impossible to directly reach Destiny from the stargate that is close to the former jump coordinates.

The guys clearly were way out of the galaxy when they got their engine issue. If they were within a 20th of the galaxy's diameter beyond its edge, said galaxy would have looked far bigger.
Imagine a 200 meters wide circular field of grass. 1/20th is 10 meters, and you're now standing less than ten meters away from the edge of that circle. How big do you think the circular crop of grass will look like?


Also, one interesting thing. If Destiny did not have enough power to make it to the next galaxy, it would calculate how much power it would need during a powerless drift period, so that when it did get to the galaxy, it would have enough power to raise the shields when it refueled. So without drawing power for FTL, and assuming no attacks or anything, Destiny would have power for thousands of years. FTL must be a real energy hog.

It did have enough power to make it through, and that with people onboard. I'm not sure to follow your reasonning here.