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April 26th, 2004, 02:00 PM
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The banished Goa'uld Hathor is found in an ancient sarcophagus Earth, and takes over the S.G.C. with hopes of raising a new army against the System Lords.

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Elwe Singollo
June 8th, 2004, 08:11 PM
Who thought it was kind of 'icky' when Daniel said 'you'll find most of my DNA there' or something like that... if you know what i mean... :(

Dani347
June 8th, 2004, 11:29 PM
I found it went beyond icky. If a man drugged a woman and then had sex with her, what would you call it? I'd call it rape. I'd apply the same thing here.

Elwe Singollo
June 20th, 2004, 12:53 AM
Although side-effects were a little different here, haha, i guess i agree with the rape part. I thought it was sick how Jack got his little Jaffa pouch X in his stomach, and Janet putting her hand in it, very, ew.

Anubis
June 20th, 2004, 12:56 AM
Now those thoughts are just icky, and beyond. The new pouch was nasty! And then she went to go do it all over again!

Elwe Singollo
June 20th, 2004, 01:00 AM
Unsanitary... :) Haha...

Anubis
June 20th, 2004, 01:02 AM
lol Yer

Tok'Ra Hostess
June 20th, 2004, 05:46 AM
I found it went beyond icky. If a man drugged a woman and then had sex with her, what would you call it? I'd call it rape. I'd apply the same thing here.

Yes, it was icky and it was rape, and it was one of the best character development eps for the Goa'uld that we ever really got aside from the Movie, COTG and Serpent's Venom.

The Goa'uld are evil, and we don't often get the chance to actually see that. What can I say? Evil is icky. "/

Neon Rider
June 22nd, 2004, 10:10 AM
I never liked the episode I thought it was stupid, and I thought (well more my sister) thought that X pouch on O'Neill looked faked and I have to agree Janet's hand in the pouch? Ew! Not one of my favorite episodes.

SeaBee
June 26th, 2004, 02:53 AM
I liked this episode, and thought the "women behind bars" moment was excellent.

One little point though. Hathors "babies" are like cocktail sausages, surely they would have been too immature to become implanted? In the ep with Teal'cs family, Bra'tack says that the snake Daniel hands over is too young, and that was far more developed than the ones in the bath.

Bagpuss
June 26th, 2004, 11:40 PM
I liked the episode,overall,as it gave the SGC females,and Teal'c, the chance to shine against Hathor,but I'd have liked Daniel to get a bit more than a "Eew",from Jack,after what Hathor did to him !

Ok,I know Sam looked pretty sympathetic ,after she found him,and she did try to get through his dazed state,but then had to get back to dealing with Hathor, ...but the lack of any on-screen follow-up on Daniel's welfare has always annoyed me ! :(

Elwe Singollo
June 26th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Yah, i had a voice in me saying, don't attend to Hathor, attend to DANIEL. But i guess he didn't look anywhere close to comming back to his senses. ;)

AbydosTraveller
June 26th, 2004, 11:45 PM
Being a redhead myself, I find anything Hathor-related to be incredibly biased. :D But then, it shows the overall supremacy of redheads.

Bagpuss
June 27th, 2004, 12:31 AM
Yah, i had a voice in me saying, don't attend to Hathor, attend to DANIEL. But i guess he didn't look anywhere close to comming back to his senses. ;)
Yes,I'm not too sure ,but I thought he looked in a state of Post Traumatic Shock.It could have been because of the purple gas Hathor drugged him with too.
Bad memory,at this point! I don't think anyone named the gas,but it seemed very like the "Nishta" (Sp?) used in S3 "Seth" ? :o

rihannsu
July 6th, 2004, 11:57 AM
I looooved this episode! I wish that we could've seen even more of Hathor. But I'm pretty biased towards the female characters in the series (like Nirrti and Hathor).

The actress was great at playing the campy role for all it was worth.

greytop
July 7th, 2004, 11:45 AM
I believe Hathor will be back. She was only frozen.

Selmak
July 10th, 2004, 06:31 PM
The 2 other queens we have seen have not been in host and have spawned blank larvae.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 11th, 2004, 06:07 AM
I believe Hathor will be back. She was only frozen.


I dunno.... If that was a vat of liquid nitrogen Jack tossed her into, then her body splintered into a million pieces when she hit bottom.

That being said, there are almost as many ways to bring 'Hathor' back: clone Hathor, (even-more-)evil twin Hathor, AU Hathor, time travel Hathor, holographic imaging technology Hathor, halucingenic drug-induced Hathor, dream(nightmare?) Hathor, etc. ;)

aAnubiSs
July 11th, 2004, 06:56 AM
Hathor will probably not be back, although I would love to see her again. Hathor and Nirrti would be vicous together!

Selmak
July 15th, 2004, 04:33 PM
I dunno.... If that was a vat of liquid nitrogen Jack tossed her into, then her body splintered into a million pieces when she hit bottom.

Just shovel those pieces in a sarcophagus and flip the switch she'll be fine. lol

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 15th, 2004, 06:51 PM
Just shovel those pieces in a sarcophagus and flip the switch she'll be fine. lol

ROTFLOL! :D

Ancient
July 17th, 2004, 07:18 PM
speaking of which doesnt this mean that one possible way to free the jaffa form the dependency from the gouald is to take the larva out and into the sarcophagus and restore their own immune system

one time would be all that is needed...so it wouldnt make them evil like it does after frequent exposure

they will be free

Selmak
July 17th, 2004, 10:42 PM
I doubt it would be that easy.

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 18th, 2004, 11:07 AM
speaking of which doesnt this mean that one possible way to free the jaffa form the dependency from the gouald is to take the larva out and into the sarcophagus and restore their own immune system

one time would be all that is needed...so it wouldnt make them evil like it does after frequent exposure

they will be free

No, the Jaffa are not(or are no longer) humans with implanted pouches, like Jack was in Hathor. The Jaffa are a race that have had a sort of evolutionary change forced upon them by the Goa'uld. Sam said something to that effect in Birthrite. The sarc recognizes that a symbiote is a natural part of the Jaffa's phsyiology.

I suppose it's within the realm of possible that one could remove a vital organ, say, the heart, and the sarc could regrow one. That would be because(I imagine) the sarc could use the body's own stem cells. But you can't grow a symbiote from Jaffa stem cells. He doesn't have the template for the Goa'uld organism in his dna. They are two seperate beings.

To sarc a Jaffa without it's symbiote would probably provide only temporary relief, as the sarc would act as the immune system for the Jaffa, but, just as a decanted Goa'uld can still die of, say, a staff blast, so too, would a decanted Jaffa be vulnerable to germs and such.

That's my theory, anyways.... :)

Selmak
July 18th, 2004, 11:14 AM
hahaha... I was right... Not that easy... :P

Ancient
July 18th, 2004, 07:22 PM
hahaha... I was right... Not that easy... :P
hey u dont got to be mean about it but in Cure frasier talks about how the tratonie is supressing the immune system just like a symboite does to a jaffa so couldnt the sarc potentially unsuppress the immune system of the jaffa, because the device that hathor has on could be what they used to make the jaffa in the first place, because of the immune system became supressed isnt there the possibilty that it was then passed on meaning that the supressant gene is still in the jaffa, and the sarc regens genetic material and heals against alments anyway i can accept being wrong but hey it could happen

Tok'Ra Hostess
July 19th, 2004, 07:13 AM
hey u dont got to be mean about it but in Cure frasier talks about how the tratonie is supressing the immune system just like a symboite does to a jaffa so couldnt the sarc potentially unsuppress the immune system of the jaffa, because the device that hathor has on could be what they used to make the jaffa in the first place, because of the immune system became supressed isnt there the possibilty that it was then passed on meaning that the supressant gene is still in the jaffa, and the sarc regens genetic material and heals against alments anyway i can accept being wrong but hey it could happen

The tretonin is not suppressing the Jaffa immune system, it is, basicly, the immune system. The way I understand it, Jaffa lose their own natural immune system at puberty. From then on, they are completly dependant on their symbiote, or, as of season seven, on regular injections of synthetic "ground goa'uld." :)

But the point is, not having an immune system is natural for a Jaffa. Humans used to have a tail. We still have a vestige of a tail - our tailbone - but no amount of time in the sarc will convince it to regrow what we evolved off. :) IMO, there's no reason to think that the sarc will change or de-evolve the Jaffa. <shrugs>

Should the sarc be capable of rebuilding a Jaffa's immune system? Maybe, with the proper calibrations, providing it's even possible to calibrate one of those things. But, hey, it's science fiction; anything can happen! :D

Selmak
July 19th, 2004, 01:39 PM
hey u dont got to be mean about it but in Cure frasier talks about how the tratonie is supressing the immune system just like a symboite does to a jaffa so couldnt the sarc potentially unsuppress the immune system of the jaffa, because the device that hathor has on could be what they used to make the jaffa in the first place, because of the immune system became supressed isnt there the possibilty that it was then passed on meaning that the supressant gene is still in the jaffa, and the sarc regens genetic material and heals against alments anyway i can accept being wrong but hey it could happen
I was just kidding around... I was not trying to be mean.

Ancient
July 19th, 2004, 05:04 PM
i know man chill i was kidin i'm not offended ,

Selmak
July 19th, 2004, 08:03 PM
you were kidding about me not kidding... lol

Ancient
July 20th, 2004, 02:05 PM
you were kidding about me not kidding... lol
wtf I was kidding abotu being offended

Selmak
July 26th, 2004, 04:49 PM
I was kidding about offending you and you were kidding about being offend?!?!?

::Gets a headache thinking about it::

Major Fischer
August 16th, 2004, 09:31 PM
I find this episode incredibly cheesy and campy, and despite some of it's creepier implications, adore it for that reason. It's I think, my favorite first season Janet episode, and TR gets to do some really great lines. That and watching Fraiser walk point was amusing.

Anyone else notice Carter's rank insignia rotate during the holding cell scenes? In the first scene it's on wrong, and it looks like someone corrected it later on.

zats
August 22nd, 2004, 07:11 PM
I dunno.... If that was a vat of liquid nitrogen Jack tossed her into, then her body splintered into a million pieces when she hit bottom.

That being said, there are almost as many ways to bring 'Hathor' back: clone Hathor, (even-more-)evil twin Hathor, AU Hathor, time travel Hathor, holographic imaging technology Hathor, halucingenic drug-induced Hathor, dream(nightmare?) Hathor, etc. ;)

Crud. Posted this wrong the first time. ANYWAY:

Cynical, aren't we?

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 23rd, 2004, 05:32 AM
Crud. Posted this wrong the first time. ANYWAY:

Cynical, aren't we?

Huh?

Replicarter
September 4th, 2004, 06:54 AM
i loved this eposode, i love Hathor. shes so sexy, i was gonna buy her outfit from ebay, but it went a little over my budget lol. bring back hathor!

zats
September 7th, 2004, 07:11 PM
I know I'm going to get absolutely ripped to shreds for saying this, but...

Hathor happens to be one of my favorite episodes (I was so happy when they brought her back for Out of Mind!). Up until Osiris/Sarah reared its (her? his?) ugly head, female villans were decidedly lacking. Hathor may be evil, she may be the meanest witch you've ever met, but she was smart and she used her assets to achieve her goals. I'm not saying I condone her drugging and basically raping Daniel, Jack, and God knows who else, but I can at least respect her. She is not someone I would want to tangle with.

On a happier note, I do love how Janet and Sam take charge. "Briefing Room Sam" started out on the right foot, but stumbled a bit in Emancipation. This ep definitely redeemed Sam, not to mention established Janet as a steady presence on the show. As I've likely said (or posted) elsewhere, I'll take any ep where the women kick.

zats
September 7th, 2004, 07:15 PM
Huh?

Sorry...just thought it was funny, all the ways of bringing Hathor back. Do you just lay in bed at night dreaming those up?! :)

Sheesh, and I thought impending finals kept ME awake! :D

zats
September 7th, 2004, 07:16 PM
i loved this eposode, i love Hathor. shes so sexy, i was gonna buy her outfit from ebay, but it went a little over my budget lol. bring back hathor!

Her outfit was on eBay?! Cool!

Uncle Dick
September 21st, 2004, 08:47 AM
I found it went beyond icky. If a man drugged a woman and then had sex with her, what would you call it? I'd call it rape. I'd apply the same thing here.
"Oh, you poor man," is what Daniel said when Carter tried to rape O'Neill in The Broca Divide. I suppose a similar standard could be applied to Daniel's predicament in this episode.


The tretonin is not suppressing the Jaffa immune system, it is, basicly, the immune system. The way I understand it, Jaffa lose their own natural immune system at puberty. From then on, they are completly dependant on their symbiote, or, as of season seven, on regular injections of synthetic "ground goa'uld."
That wasn't the case in Bloodlines. Teal'c only allowed Ryac to be implanted with a symbiote because of the boy's illness. Otherwise, the episode seemed to indicate that Ryac could have gone on living without one and suffer no immune system deficiency.

It seems that Jaffa only lose immune functions AFTER the larval Gou'ald has been implanted. In O'Neill's case, he lost immune functioning immediately after receiving a pouch but the effects would have been irreversible if a Gou'ald had managed to enter the pouch. What is not clear, at least to my reckoning, is whether or not Jaffa are actually born with the pouch. If not, I don't understand why O'Neill immediately lost his immune functioning after receiving a pouch, while Ryac seemed to function fine with a pouch but without a symbiote for several hours. It's a mystery.

As for the fake looking pouch that O'Neill sports, the Jaffa pouch has ALWAYS looked suspect IMHO. I think that's why Teal'c usually finds a way to keep his concealed after the first couple of seasons.

Tok'Ra Hostess
September 21st, 2004, 01:21 PM
[QUOTE=Uncle Dick]
That wasn't the case in Birthright.Teal'c only allowed Ryac to be implanted with a symbiote because of the boy's illness. Otherwise, the episode seemed to indicate that Ryac could have gone on living without one and suffer no immune system deficiency.

umm...it was the case in Birthright(season six) :)The girls lost their own immune system at puberty.

In season one's Bloodlines, Teal'c thought he could save his son from implantation, only to discover that the youth was dying. Teal'c may have convinced himself that implantation or death was a lie concocted by the Goa'uld. (He'd already proved that the Goa'uld were liars in that flashback in Threshold.)



It seems that Jaffa only lose immune functions AFTER the larval Gou'ald has been implanted.

Have you seen season six' Birthright?


What is not clear, at least to my reckoning, is whether or not Jaffa are actually born with the pouch.

<nods> It's never been said on the show, thus far, but here's how I see it:

Among humans only the female can bear young, but female humans are not born with a womb. The numerous components needed to concieve and bear children grows in over time, some parts(the placenta, for example) don't appear until after an egg has been fertilized.

Just as child-bearing organs are not artificially implanted into females at puberty so that they can thereafter produce children, so too, the Priest does not(IMO) implant the pouch into the Jaffa at puberty so that s/he can thereafter incubate larvae.

Uncle Dick
September 21st, 2004, 01:50 PM
umm...it was the case in Birthright(season six) :)The girls lost their own immune system at puberty.

In season one's Bloodlines, Teal'c thought he could save his son from implantation, only to discover that the youth was dying. Teal'c may have convinced himself that implantation or death was a lie concocted by the Goa'uld. (He'd already proved that the Goa'uld were liars in that flashback in Threshold.)
He seemed pretty sure of himself, and it seems like he'd be one to know. I think it's a continuity error, at the very least (and I'm highly suspect of contradictory information presented in the lamentable 7th season of the show).


Have you seen season six' Birthright?
Once. It didn't impress itself upon me very well.

Major Fischer
September 21st, 2004, 01:53 PM
Eh, I think the fact that the information DOES fit with each other and Teal'c was in the first season just figuring out exactly which things he knew were the truth and which were lies, that is far more likely than the easy out of blaming season 7.

Watch out for the plot holes, but don't create ones that aren't there just to find another reason not to like season 7.

Uncle Dick
September 21st, 2004, 03:16 PM
Eh, I think the fact that the information DOES fit with each other and Teal'c was in the first season just figuring out exactly which things he knew were the truth and which were lies, that is far more likely than the easy out of blaming season 7.
I guess I just find it highly unlikely that Teal'c, his wife and the 133 year old Jaffa Master Bra'tac would be so ignorant about their own physiology. That's not a conclusive observation, but personally, I feel more comfortable ignoring the information presented in Season 7 (as I tend to ignore other instances of gross mischaracterization during the latter seasons of SG-1).


Watch out for the plot holes, but don't create ones that aren't there just to find another reason not to like season 7.
My distaste for Season 7 goes far beyond this, I assure you. :S

Madeleine
September 21st, 2004, 03:17 PM
"Oh, you poor man," is what Daniel said when Carter tried to rape O'Neill in The Broca Divide. I suppose a similar standard could be applied to Daniel's predicament in this episode.

Note the word *tried*. Was O'Neill ever in danger? Fending off unwanted advances from someone who is inferior to you in strength is hardly a big deal. Being forced to actually have sex despite your protestations is a very big deal indeed.

Besides, Daniel's sarky "you poor man" was in response to O'Neill saying that Carter had made a pass at him, not that he had nearly been raped. (ie even if Jack considered himself a victim of attempted rape rather than just a very rough come-on, Daniel was unaware that it was so). No way can a similar standard be applied.

Uncle Dick
September 21st, 2004, 03:22 PM
The difference is in the word *tried*. Was O'Neill ever in danger? Fending off unwanted advances from someone who is inferior to you in strength is hardly a big deal. Being forced to actually have sex despite your protestations is a very big deal indeed.
I think what I'm saying is that Hathor could rape me anytime she wanted to. :D In other words, I'm subscribing (in a purely tongue-in-cheek fashion) to the oft-repeated assertion that men cannot be raped by women because, being the libidinous types that we are, such an activity would be enjoyable and welcome regardless of the circumstances.

Madeleine
September 21st, 2004, 03:59 PM
Sorry, but I know too many men who are either keen to remain faithful to their wives, who need to love a woman in order to make love to her, who like to be the one in control of their own actions or who would balk at the idea of shagging a probable killer to imagine that "such an activity would be enjoyable and welcome regardless of the circumstances." Toungue in cheek or otherwise.


I think what I'm saying is that Hathor could rape me anytime she wanted to. So you're giving your permission? so it wouldn't be rape. Daniel not only didn't give his permission he actively attempted to rebuff her, and had to be drugged into submission. He didn't want to do it, he was forced, it was rape. There's nothing :D about rape.

cobraR478
September 21st, 2004, 04:06 PM
I guess I just find it highly unlikely that Teal'c, his wife and the 133 year old Jaffa Master Bra'tac would be so ignorant about their own physiology.
Humans used to think it was a good idea to drill holes in their heads.

Major Fischer
September 21st, 2004, 04:12 PM
Humans used to think it was a good idea to drill holes in their heads.

And as recently as fifty years ago the precursers of the FAA tried to forbid women from flying planes during their menstral cycles because they would lack the mental capacity to perform complex tasks.

Uncle Dick
September 21st, 2004, 04:41 PM
Sorry, but I know too many men who are either keen to remain faithful to their wives, who need to love a woman in order to make love to her, who like to be the one in control of their own actions or who would balk at the idea of shagging a probable killer to imagine that "such an activity would be enjoyable and welcome regardless of the circumstances."
In the "battle of the anecdotes", there can be no winner, but I know a number of men who would feel differently or who would at least be willing to joke about feeling differently.


So you're giving your permission? so it wouldn't be rape.
Not necessarily. I could say "no" out of a sense of honor or out of respect for the law but enjoy the physical act. In the state of nature, I suppose it wouldn't be rape.


There's nothing :D about rape.
I suppose I'm just one of those people who can find humor in anything, including rape. I pity those who cannot. The whole situtation is treated rather flippantly in the episode so I'm comfortable doing the same here.


Humans used to think it was a good idea to drill holes in their heads.
I don't think this analogy is akin to an easily observable physiological change that either does or doesn't result in death. Don't tell me that Teal'c or Master Bra'tac have never been in or ever heard of a situation in which a young Jaffa was unable to receive a prim'tah at the appointed time and survive. There's simply no excuse for such egregious ignorance on their behalf except as it pertains to the lazy writing of TPTB.

SeaBee
September 22nd, 2004, 05:18 AM
I suppose I'm just one of those people who can find humor in anything, including rape. I pity those who cannot. The whole situtation is treated rather flippantly in the episode so I'm comfortable doing the same here.
I'm sorry, but I can't ignore this part of your post. Being somebody who has seen the psycological damage suffered by victims of rape or sexual assault I cannot laugh at it. Rape, in my opinion, is the worst crime anybody can inflict on any man or woman, and there is no humour in it.

Crazedwraith
September 22nd, 2004, 07:29 AM
Eh, I think the fact that the information DOES fit with each other and Teal'c was in the first season just figuring out exactly which things he knew were the truth and which were lies, that is far more likely than the easy out of blaming season 7.

Watch out for the plot holes, but don't create ones that aren't there just to find another reason not to like season 7.
*sigh* Thers no conflict Birthright/Bloodlines anyway. Ryac being sick in S1 was not due to him not having a Prim'ta and Major Carter stated that Moloc's Jaffa had been altered so they depended (even more) on symboites.

Elite Anubis Guard
October 30th, 2004, 02:54 AM
another interesting episode which requeals alot a fair bit of info on the goa'ulds life cycle.


was nice to see the girls get an episode to themselves aswell!

zats
October 30th, 2004, 01:56 PM
was nice to see the girls get an episode to themselves aswell!

Oh, yeah!!!!

gatelover12
November 8th, 2004, 02:49 PM
First of all daniel was under the influence of a drug that made him want her NOT RAPE if a man got drunk and woke up with a woman he could not charge her with rape (I think)! Man can be raped by women in my opinion thru unwelcome sexual advances.

Madeleine
November 8th, 2004, 06:26 PM
But if the woman got the man drunk without him knowing (spiking his drink or whatever) and shagged him even though he was asking her not to...? It's not like he chose to take the drug. Had he been in his right mind and stronger than her there would have been no sex. Everything that caused the sex to happen was initiated by her and was against his will.

If it isn't rape to make someone want you by drugging them before you do the deed, then how come it's illegal to put rophynol in drinks...?

Major Fischer
November 8th, 2004, 06:30 PM
Certainly I have a friend who was raped when a man got her drunk and than wouldn't stop when she said no (though she was too drunk to stop him, like alcohol poisoning level drunk).

It does happen. I wouldn't dare say that it wasn't rape for Daniel.

Ke'ra
November 19th, 2004, 05:56 AM
i loved this eposode, i love Hathor. shes so sexy, i was gonna buy her outfit from ebay, but it went a little over my budget lol. bring back hathor!Yay, A like minded person.
All this talk of rape is making me feel dirty for liking Hathor. I have never been raped and I don't know anyone who has. So I can't comment on the topic, but to me Hathor is just like any other Gou'ald. They use and abuse, they are all unashamedly wicked.

Below I posted this on another forum, I am just after a second opinion.

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The round crystal device on her belly appears to have two functions.
When glowing will cut and cauterise a neat cross section into her new Jaffa's stomach and also appears to be a little door.

Hathor gives birth to a boiling tub of Goa'uld larva and I think these creatures were spawned from behind this device. When Hathor rises out of her boiling tub in one scene, the device on her belly looks like a ring with a gaping hole. When she fully stands up the stone returns to its original place, in effect like a door closing.

Is this a light trick on the camera or intentional?






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Madeleine
November 19th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Yay, A like minded person.
All this talk of rape is making me feel dirty for liking Hathor. I have never been raped and I don't know anyone who has. So I can't comment on the topic, but to me Hathor is just like any other Gou'ald. They use and abuse, they are all unashamedly wicked.

You're right about the goa'uld, and you don't need to feel guilty. I like Baal, Nirrti, Apophis... a torturer, a Mengler and a murderer. But they serve their purpose well as dramatic characters, they're interesting, so I say I like them, and if you like Hathor that's fine! I was sad when she died, I thought she was a good villain.

Ke'ra
November 20th, 2004, 03:47 AM
You're right about the goa'uld, and you don't need to feel guilty. I like Baal, Nirrti, Apophis... a torturer, a Mengler and a murderer. But they serve their purpose well as dramatic characters, they're interesting, so I say I like them, and if you like Hathor that's fine! I was sad when she died, I thought she was a good villain.I can now understand why the producers introduced Queen Goa'ulds in fish tanks.

It is just not sociably acceptable for a Queen Goa'uld to have a human host.

"Eew" and "beyond icky"As a result I don't think we have seen subsequent female host Goa'uld Queens nor never will.

Ptah
November 22nd, 2004, 07:43 PM
One thing I don't get is why she even needs to get DNA from Daniel in the first place. Doesn't her host body have DNA?

Erik Pasternak
November 22nd, 2004, 08:53 PM
One thing I don't get is why she even needs to get DNA from Daniel in the first place. Doesn't her host body have DNA?
Maybe she can't gain access to it. Or maybe a sample from both genders is required.

Jarnin
November 23rd, 2004, 02:31 AM
One thing I don't get is why she even needs to get DNA from Daniel in the first place. Doesn't her host body have DNA?
Not male DNA. If she's going to create a brood to make Jaffa, then she needs male DNA in order to prevent host rejection.

Ke'ra
November 23rd, 2004, 03:42 AM
I didn't think she "needed" DNA to make the Goa'uld larva, just to fine tune it to our physiology. Rejection is a good theory. But as far as needing DNA with a Y chromosome, I think she picked a male for convenience and because of her sexuality.

Her larva seemed to be different to others in that they were able to enter a Jaffa stomach pouch earlier than other symbiotes we have seen.

Dionysus
December 2nd, 2004, 04:34 PM
I dunno.... If that was a vat of liquid nitrogen Jack tossed her into, then her body splintered into a million pieces when she hit bottom.

That being said, there are almost as many ways to bring 'Hathor' back: clone Hathor, (even-more-)evil twin Hathor, AU Hathor, time travel Hathor, holographic imaging technology Hathor, halucingenic drug-induced Hathor, dream(nightmare?) Hathor, etc.



Just shovel those pieces in a sarcophagus and flip the switch she'll be fine. lol


Any optimism is good optimism when it comes to the possibility of Hathor returning, in my opinion LOLOL :D :D

zats
December 3rd, 2004, 06:28 PM
Oh, Yeah!!!!!

whisper99
December 30th, 2004, 06:21 AM
First of all daniel was under the influence of a drug that made him want her NOT RAPE if a man got drunk and woke up with a woman he could not charge her with rape (I think)! Man can be raped by women in my opinion thru unwelcome sexual advances.

Ok, I just saw this episode (I LOVE my DVD SETS!! WOOHOO!) :) Ahem...anyway, when Hathor tells him she needs the code of life, Daniel starts to come out of it because he 'gets' what she is telling him. He actually pulls his arm away to try and get away and she grabs him. At that moment, he is completely aware that she needs his DNA to make baby goa'uld. And he is completely aware of HOW she intends to get it because of her 'enjoyable' comment. His very actions are that of someone who is trying to get away. Remember, this is the Daniel who destroyed an entire vat of infant goa'uld back on Chulak, so there is no way he would want to help create any more of them, enjoyable or not. So, she proceeds to drug him, and and then rapes him.

I like to think that when he's unresponsive when Sam finds him, it's probably not so much the drug as it's him realizing what he's just done. If only because he was able to get dressed (at least pull his pants up) and what happened just hit him. It was a complete violation, not only physically, but emotionally, mentally. It was a terrible thing to have happen to Daniel :(

Also, I don't know that Jack knew how Hathor got Daniel's DNA - so when he said EW, maybe he was thinking she took a blood sample or something. LOL :) I would like to think that off camera, there was some form of comfort for Daniel, at least by Sam who would understand that it was more than just a physical violation, since she was there when he killed the baby goa'uld.

Dani347
December 31st, 2004, 06:58 PM
But if the woman got the man drunk without him knowing (spiking his drink or whatever) and shagged him even though he was asking her not to...? It's not like he chose to take the drug. Had he been in his right mind and stronger than her there would have been no sex. Everything that caused the sex to happen was initiated by her and was against his will.

If it isn't rape to make someone want you by drugging them before you do the deed, then how come it's illegal to put rophynol in drinks...?


And, someone confirm if this is true, but I've read that rophynol also makes a person more responsive, so they may act like willing participants. So, it's not even necessary for a person to actually resist, because they're still not performing under full mental capacity.

If it's a drug that made[I] -read forced him to want her, it's rape. He was forced to want her, therefore, it was against his will. And, rape is having sex against your will. Hathor didn't say, "Daniel, I have some great goa'uld power that could make you want me, wanna try it?" that would have given him the opportunity to consent to it. She took away his power to consent or reject (obviously, he had no power, unless we also assume that Jack had the power to refuse becoming a Jaffa, and wanted that) therefore, the drug forced[I] Daniel, he didn't consent, and forced sex (whether the force comes during the act, or before the act) is rape.

Beatrice Otter
January 1st, 2005, 10:12 AM
I dunno.... If that was a vat of liquid nitrogen Jack tossed her into, then her body splintered into a million pieces when she hit bottom.

That being said, there are almost as many ways to bring 'Hathor' back: clone Hathor, (even-more-)evil twin Hathor, AU Hathor, time travel Hathor, holographic imaging technology Hathor, halucingenic drug-induced Hathor, dream(nightmare?) Hathor, etc. ;)
Daughter of Hathor .... :eek:

Beatrice Otter
January 1st, 2005, 10:34 AM
The round crystal device on her belly appears to have two functions.
When glowing will cut and cauterise a neat cross section into her new Jaffa's stomach and also appears to be a little door.

Hathor gives birth to a boiling tub of Goa'uld larva and I think these creatures were spawned from behind this device. When Hathor rises out of her boiling tub in one scene, the device on her belly looks like a ring with a gaping hole. When she fully stands up the stone returns to its original place, in effect like a door closing.

Is this a light trick on the camera or intentional?


I think its an optical illusion; it looks just the same to me. Here's my theory on Queen Goa'ulds:

While normal Goa'ulds can have any gender of host they want, queens must be in a female host if they want to spawn. Remember, every time we've seen a queen Goa'uld (or Tok'ra) out of a host and preparing to spawn, they had this huge egg-sac thing that looks really gross.

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s6/graphics/610_07.jpg
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/graphics/712_22.jpg

You can't really see it in these pics, but when you pause the DVD it looks like the sac and the symbiote have a fairly clear dividing line, and that they're attached to each other, not integral components. Well. There's certainly no room inside a human for that huge sac, and in Egeria's case she went from that tank in the first pic straight to a human host. So the egg sac must be detachable. Now, if they don't have an egg sac while in a human host (and certainly, Hathor's trim figure had no room for one!), what do they use instead?

Aha! Human females have an organ that fulfills basically the same function. We call it a womb. So my theory is that the queen just kind of attaches herself and modifies it for her own purposes. This would neatly explain why it was so critical for Amaunet to hibernate while Sha're was pregnant, which otherwise doesn't make sense to me. It would also neatly fit with Hathor's method of procuring the "code of life" from Daniel--everything went where it would have if she'd been a normal human woman, it was just put to a slightly different purpose.

Now, this theory's kinda gross imho, but it fits the facts we have.

Major Tyler
January 1st, 2005, 10:47 AM
One thing I don't get is why she even needs to get DNA from Daniel in the first place. Doesn't her host body have DNA?Maybe she was just horny.

Sela
January 10th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Daniel....
Hathor....
DNA.....
Eww.

LMichelle
January 11th, 2005, 04:51 PM
You gotta admit Hathor does have good taste in men. ;)

Sela
January 12th, 2005, 03:57 PM
I repeat...Eww. :)

Poor Daniel...Let's hope as the drug wore out of his system, so did the memory of the ...*ahem*...encounter.

Eww.

Albion
January 13th, 2005, 04:45 AM
Well, I love this episode. Despite the cheesy moments which make me wince and the plot holes you could drive a sarcophagus through. Not to mention the heavyhanded feminism diatribe. (Which is what makes Emancipation a real love/hate fest for me. I love that one to bits too, for the same reasons as Hathor, but the heavyhanded message makes me wince) :p It just hit all the buttons that I enjoy in my SF. Humour, action, great team moments, character relationship. I love it to bits.

And Hathor was just deliciously evil. And, like Osiris, had so much fun being evil, she was a delight to watch on screen. I thought they made a mistake getting rid of her so early. She had a lot more mileage in her, imo.

BTW, have you noticed that although they act generally as though Sam is unusual in being part of SG1 and in Hathor they make a point of how few females there are on the base, there are a multitude of episodes which contain SG teams with a female member? Spirits for example. And A Matter Of Time. Just to name two. Maybe after Sam's heroics in Hathor, they decided more women was a dang good idea. :p

One more thing I wanted to just point up re the discussion about Daniel being raped by Hathor. It was an interesting discussion, but I'm not going to get into it. Just regarding the offhand way the others reacted to it - I've always been rather discomfited and surprised by the casual way that Daniel himself dismisses the near rape of the young woman by the caveman at the start of The Broca Divide:


Cut back to the young woman. Unlike her captors, she looks normal, and is positively terrified. Carter notices her, and frowns.

Carter: Why does that one female look different? She looks more human.

One of the cavemen grabs her roughly by the arm, trying to drag her off. She struggles and cries, trying to get away from him.

Carter: We have to stop him!

The caveman pulls the woman down on her hands and knees, moving to mount her from behind. She screams and kicks, clawing at the ground as she tries to get out from under him.

Daniel: No, that's - how prehistoric males probably had sex. Forcibly. The strongest male gets to mate; that's survival of the fittest.

As the woman crawls away from him, the caveman grabs her skirt, trying to tear it off, and grabs her around the waist, forcing her down.

Carter: Well, I call it rape, and I think we should stop it!

What surprises me with this is that Daniel may well be correct on the habits of cavemen. However what he doesn't seem at all to take into account and should that that young woman isn't of that species. She comes from a more intelligent, more advanced evolution of the species with a viewpoint of the existance of rape, which the caveman society doesn't have.

For a female of the caveman's species, the act would be 'no harm done' and Daniel would probably be right to dismiss it as just the typical reproduction act for that species were the caveman's partner to be one of his own tribe.

However, for the female of the Untouched, unlike a female of the caveman's species, the act will be rape with all the connotations of degradation, guilt, possible social sanctions etc that go with it. This is a 'modern' woman being assaulted. Not a primitive one.

So Daniel's callous disregard for the young woman's plight always makes me wince.

Albion :)

ShimmeringStar
January 22nd, 2005, 04:35 PM
Hathor definitely made quite an entrance. But it seemed too darn easy for her to gain access to the SGC; they should have quarantined & interrogated her behind glass! Of course they had to bring her down into the belly of the SGC to move the story along, but it was like, ohhhh here we go!! :rolleyes: :p

I enjoyed the scene where Sam asks Jack if he minds if she has a look at his stomach (after he gets out of the sarc), when she says “Wow, that’s a miracle” and he responds with “Crunches.” :D

alz0rz
January 22nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
And we let a sarcaphagus get by us again .. after being delievered right to our front step :(

Captgatebuilder
January 28th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Hathor is HOT.

airfro
January 29th, 2005, 02:31 AM
Hathor is HOT.

yeah is is !!!!!!

SmartFox
March 4th, 2005, 04:45 PM
I'm finally glad that Daniel got some recognition for his scientific theories. The one scientist in the beginning said how the only person that had ever thought of something like this is Daniel. I think this is one of the only times that anyone outside of the SGC comments on him being right.

PugGate
March 9th, 2005, 06:44 PM
The women escape (Take 2) was cool, especially when Carter knocks Hammond out and then says her career is over.

zats
March 12th, 2005, 03:00 PM
Daughter of Hathor .... :eek:

Oh, man...that'd be SOOO cool... *smiling dreamily* plots abound!

zats
March 12th, 2005, 03:05 PM
I liked the episode,overall,as it gave the SGC females,and Teal'c, the chance to shine against Hathor,but I'd have liked Daniel to get a bit more than a "Eew",from Jack,after what Hathor did to him !

Ok,I know Sam looked pretty sympathetic ,after she found him,and she did try to get through his dazed state,but then had to get back to dealing with Hathor, ...but the lack of any on-screen follow-up on Daniel's welfare has always annoyed me ! :(

*cough*cuttingroomfloor*cough*

But yeah, I see your point. On the other hand, it'd be hard to do something like that televised...deep emotional stuff is hard to portray without the audiance's collective yawnings sending it down the tubes, no matter how well it'd done. I think that the show's matured enough (so to speak) that they could do it now, but then?--no. It's almost--almost--better that they left that as it was; the audiance gets to fill in the gaps.

zats
March 12th, 2005, 03:23 PM
I'm sorry, but I can't ignore this part of your post. Being somebody who has seen the psycological damage suffered by victims of rape or sexual assault I cannot laugh at it. Rape, in my opinion, is the worst crime anybody can inflict on any man or woman, and there is no humour in it.

I know that this little conversation is basically dead, but I'm posting this anyway:
a. Every 90 seconds, someone is sexually assaulted.
b. One in eight rape victims is male.

Rape isn't limited to one gender. Daniel was raped. Pleasent? No. Funny? No.

Other stats can be found here (http://home.comcast.net/~lytarules/whiteout/whiteout15.html): it's the last page of Lyta's fic White Out (which is not a nice fic; minors, be warned). Scroll to the bottom of the page.

Okay, won't say another word about it.

OrangeShipper
March 13th, 2005, 12:51 PM
I guess in a way, all the guys had no memory of it after, so it wasnt so bad for Daniel...
On a lighter note! I think Hammond is so funny in this episode, the way he smiles and acts all flirtaciously!! Its really funny!

Reona
March 23rd, 2005, 06:42 PM
So, that was the notorious ‘Hathor’ episode.

I’m slightly grossed out, yes. I would have preferred a better ending for Daniel but I can understand why such a thing would not have been shown on TV (god forbid anyone get emotional…). A girl-centric show was cool but I think the number of girls was way off. For a base that big, there would have been more. I’ve seen more girls in hallway scenes than that.

And I don’t get how Hathor can just get up out of the damn burning tub and be fine! Or how she could have gotten out of the tub and not have been wet before! That was just a little too unbelievable for me.

ivy714
March 24th, 2005, 03:27 AM
And I don’t get how Hathor can just get up out of the damn burning tub and be fine! Or how she could have gotten out of the tub and not have been wet before! That was just a little too unbelievable for me.
I was wondering the same thing.

girlgater
April 4th, 2005, 04:29 PM
What are the lines from this ep that are between Jack & Daniel...something about drugs, sex and rock and roll? I can't find it and it's bugging me.

Thanks,


-girlgater

Seshat
April 4th, 2005, 04:36 PM
From the GW Transcript:



JACKSON: Hathor?

HATHOR: Yes.

O'NEILL: Have you heard of her?

JACKSON: Hathor was the Egyptian goddess of fertility, inebriety and music.

O'NEILL: Sex, drugs and rock'n'roll?

JACKSON: In a manner of speaking.

girlgater
April 5th, 2005, 03:52 AM
Thanks for the quote!!

-girlgater

Tara
May 19th, 2005, 08:48 AM
Girls are born with wombs *and* with all the eggs they'll ever have. It's the hormones that kick in with puberty that cause the cycle of menstruation, but all the equipment is already there.

Ajayrious
July 24th, 2005, 04:49 PM
If the sarchofagus (apologies for the spelling) can de jaffa O'Neill in this episode why can they not do the same thing for Teal'c and the rest of the jaffa

Heru'urs_first_prime
July 25th, 2005, 02:59 AM
coz there was no larva in Jack, it was newly formed/not used etc.

Qasim
July 25th, 2005, 03:22 AM
Just watched it again - Sam was awesome

Chaka's_Mum
July 25th, 2005, 03:36 AM
Having said that, it's perfectly possible to remove junior from a Jaffa's pouch - thus enabling the restoration of the Jaffa's immune system and the healing of the pouch. Whether a Jaffa would be willing to undergo this treatment is another matter entirely.

But then again, as the only sarcophagus they had was blown to smithereens when Hathor overloaded it, it's not likely that they'd be able to offer a 'Jaffa de-pouching' service in the near future anyway.

An interesting concept though - with a lot of ethical implications; particularly as we learn more and more about the sarcophagus and what it can do (good and bad).

Heru'urs_first_prime
August 1st, 2005, 06:02 AM
Just watched it again - Sam was awesome

go Sam!

Qasim
August 3rd, 2005, 07:16 AM
What exactly did Daniel mean when he said Ra corrupted Hathor?

Chaka's_Mum
August 4th, 2005, 04:02 AM
That's a good question. I couldn't find anything on the web (albeit a short search) which indicated that there's a mythological basis for Daniel's statement.

Not being particularly au fait with the Mythology of ancient Egyptian Deities, I guess I'm just blathering on a bit really. Mind you, Hathor was highly revered by her worshippers in Ancient Egypt, so perhaps in the Stargate context she was so busy indulging in her persona as goddess of music, fertility and intoxication that she didn't come across in the manner that we now traditionally associate as 'Goa'uld' and Ra took steps to correct that.

Or perhaps he actually had her converted into a Goa'uld queen?

Just guessing...

zats
August 4th, 2005, 07:33 PM
And I don’t get how Hathor can just get up out of the damn burning tub and be fine! Or how she could have gotten out of the tub and not have been wet before! That was just a little too unbelievable for me.
She is a goa'uld queen. Hathor can do whateve she damn well pleases.

[note the dripping sarcasm.]

:p

--400th post!--

jyh
August 5th, 2005, 03:02 PM
The episode Hathor just finished. In the final scene, in which Hammond came in & told Sam & Janet he was putting them in for a medal or commendation... did anyone else notice that Sam & Dr Frazier are in the locker room working (gathering bits of toasted larva for study), and Jack, Daniel, and Teal'c came in and were dressed in their civvies. The women were working, and the men were dressed to go out (off base). Figures!!! :eek:

AGateFan
August 5th, 2005, 03:20 PM
The episode Hathor just finished. In the final scene, in which Hammond came in & told Sam & Janet he was putting them in for a medal or commendation... did anyone else notice that Sam & Dr Frazier are in the locker room working (gathering bits of toasted larva for study), and Jack, Daniel, and Teal'c came in and were dressed in their civvies. The women were working, and the men were dressed to go out (off base). Figures!!! :eek:

hahahahahah, Thats funny, the boys had such a stressful day.

Was this the ep that started the friendship between Carter and Fraiser. I noted that Fraiser called her Captain Carter when no one else was around so I got the since they didnt really know each other.. Just wondering.

1DanielForMe
August 5th, 2005, 06:55 PM
It's likely.

In any case, I would say that "Hathor" is one of my favourite episodes, possibly in the top ten. It's cool that the gals get to take complete charge for once. I do feel bad for Daniel, Jack, too, but it was definitely worse for Daniel. That being said, I kind of sort of liked Hathor, though God knows why. Well, she was this kind of loopy that I tend to enjoy. Thinking about it now, though, I really like her less than that even, regardless of the fact she was crazy. Anyway, this episode has a lot of stuff in it which I find amusing, but probably shouldn't. I mean, yes, there are scenes which you're supposed to laugh at, but I find it funny when Daniel says to Hathor "My God, you're like a queen bee," and so on. I mean is that supposed to actually be funny? I can have a pretty dark sense of humour. Land of The Dead, made me crack up, so, yeah, I don't know. I'm a bit odd, I suppose. "Hathor" is a way cool episode, though, whatever.

Colone£
August 8th, 2005, 09:51 PM
I think that Hathor is hot, for a red head. I do prefer brunettes though.

.:Lemon:.
August 24th, 2005, 06:59 AM
This episode was okay. Not a favourite of mine really. Good to see some Janet/Sam interaction early on in the series :)

Stricken
September 8th, 2005, 12:54 AM
Weird episode, isnt one i wnat to watch over and over again.

TheObiJuan
September 8th, 2005, 01:07 AM
She is a brunette that has died her hair ginger. This is a pet peeve of mine.

walter_MacChevron
September 12th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Alright eppy.........would have prefered not seeing a woman who sounds like a guy seducing them for world domination

artemis_chosen
December 15th, 2005, 03:38 PM
I liked this ep. Being a Janet fan this was a good ep for her. I just love the lines "Are you outta your mind honey-buns? There is a reason they call it this man's army. The way Teryl delivers them has me laughing everytime I hear them.

timdalton007
December 16th, 2005, 06:09 AM
A good episdoe. I especially liked the premise of the show and the execution of it...for the most part. The episode's pace seemed rushed and the ending was a bit of a let down with Hathor getting away but at least she returned later on. Overall, a slightly above average episode.

timdalton007

Thor of The Asgard
January 12th, 2006, 07:27 AM
that was one hack of an episode!
there's a proof! chicks can control us! lol...
i most liked the part whan hathor came out and used her hand device!

there are only three things i'd like! (yea right, i'd like more!)
a hand device!
a zat gun!
and a stargate with a dial home device!

funny thing that hathor speakes like there are two in her body, well actuelly its true..."we owe you our thanks"..."kiss us"...lol

Albion
January 12th, 2006, 08:59 AM
funny thing that hathor speakes like there are two in her body, well actuelly its true..."we owe you our thanks"..."kiss us"...lol

Hathor doesn't use 'we' and 'our' because there are two personalities within her. It's the 'royal we' or the Plural of Majesty - that is, the perogative of queens and kings to refer to themselves in the plural to show that they are above and set apart from their subjects. No normal mortals.

Just in the same way as the British Queen uses 'we' and 'our' when she speaks, too, for example. And Queen Victoria (may have <G>) said "We are not amused." rather than, "I am not amused."

I loved that arrogance in Hathor to adopt that manner of speech. Showed just how well she thought of herself as being higher than the mere mortals around her. :D

Albion :)

Thor of The Asgard
January 12th, 2006, 09:46 PM
seems like i always make a fool of myself...lol...

first with the mjolnir that i said its odins hammer but i was wrong...its thors hammer...

now this...well after all english isnt my real language...i mean in in 9th grade and my mother language is hebrew...
thanks for letting me know:)

Commander Ivanova
January 13th, 2006, 12:13 AM
One of my fave eps, liked the character Hathor and particularly enjoyed her having her wicked way with poor little innocent long-haired Daniel. The women were strong in this ep, and the men were walked all over, which makes a refreshing change.

Albion
January 13th, 2006, 08:53 AM
seems like i always make a fool of myself...lol...

Not at all, Thor! None of us can know everything about everything - I've learned things I didn't know from posters on these boards. I see you're from Isreal - you can write what I know about Israel on the back of a postcard. And there'd be room to spare. So there's no shame in being surprised now and then by something you didn't know. :)


Albion :)

Thor of The Asgard
January 14th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Not at all, Thor! None of us can know everything about everything - I've learned things I didn't know from posters on these boards. I see you're from Isreal - you can write what I know about Israel on the back of a postcard. And there'd be room to spare. So there's no shame in being surprised now and then by something you didn't know. :)


Albion :)

wow...your are really nice person!
thanks for making me feel better =)
i hope ill get to see you around the forum

Hira
March 2nd, 2006, 06:17 PM
i din't like this ep, but it was good to see the girls kick some butt.:)

Pharaoh Atem
March 26th, 2006, 03:09 PM
personaly i hated this epsiode never did or will like hathor

it was cool to see sam and janet taking control of the situation

Daecon
April 19th, 2006, 01:15 AM
It was an okay episode, I'm a big fan of Hathor, but I thought it a bit odd that they didn't believe or suspect anything about the Goa'uld with her when she appeared at the SGC.

You'd have thought after what happened with Kawalski (sp?) they'd have been a bit more on their toes when dealing with possible Goa'uld in the base.

Especially with Daniel knowing all about her history as Hathor!


"Gee, we're dealing with Alien Parasites that take over people, and they're all Ancient Egyptian types. Oh look, someone claining to be an Egyptian Goddess who knows about the Stargate? Let her in, no worry of Goa'uld here!"

captain jake
April 19th, 2006, 01:14 PM
Ya general hammond definately let his guard down.

Racingtime
May 20th, 2006, 05:52 PM
In the "battle of the anecdotes", there can be no winner, but I know a number of men who would feel differently or who would at least be willing to joke about feeling differently.

Not necessarily. I could say "no" out of a sense of honor or out of respect for the law but enjoy the physical act. In the state of nature, I suppose it wouldn't be rape.

I know this is an older comment but I've just joined the boards and started reading some of the older things in my free time. I find this a VERY dangerous attitude to take in regards to male rape. I know that the show didn't dwell on it after this episode but it was rape. (And I did at least notice that Daniel seemed to shy away from Hathor a bit more in her comback later in S2 than he usually would towards other villains.) But anyway, in regards to the quotes above.

Male rape (whether done to him by another man or by a woman) happens more often than we are aware of because men tend not to report it as often as women do precisely because of the kind of above attitudes. They end up feeling embarrassed because they think it made them less of a man especially when done by a woman because society tends to say that woman can't be rapists for some reason. A friend of mine was raped by two women and he did react to the act itself in that he "finished" for them (don't know how graphic we can say it but I'm assuming people know what I mean by that). But just because he reacted to what they were doing to him didn't mean it wasn't rape. Your body can't control what it reacts to many times especially not in this kind of situation. Both men and women will sometimes "react" to their rape but that doesn't mean they are either enjoying it or that they gave their consent. (Not to mention we don't know what the drug did to him for sure so it may have also played a hand in his "reaction".)

The above quotes make it almost sound like some think that just because men enjoy sex (usually) that it means they'd be fine with it even through rape just because it is an attractive woman doing it. Though in that case, being fine with having sex with her would mean most likely giving consent which is not rape but like other people have said, Daniel pulled away when he realized what was going to happen and he had to be drugged in order for her to do it. That's rape plain and simple.

Sorry for the rant but my friend went through a lot when it happened to him and I can't stand the skeptical reaction many people seem to have towards men being raped because that only causes them to feel more embarrassed and more reluctant to report it and seek emotional help afterwards (or even rejecting physical help which can be even more dangerous).

Um...and in closing Poor Daniel and Yay for the SGC girls (and Teal'c) coming to the rescue.

Mattathias2.0
May 20th, 2006, 06:10 PM
I agree with the above post... although I won't get into detail in regards to myself.

Mattathias

Chelle DB
June 3rd, 2006, 02:12 AM
She's wicked!!! Best part for me was when the girls of the SGC seduce the guys to get out and when Sam hit Hammond over the head...love that bit!! The graphics weren't that crash hot but it was still early days then. Shame the sarcophagus got blown up - how come they never got another one?

luthienberen
June 7th, 2006, 03:11 AM
I LOVED this episode! Hathor is my second favourite Goa'uld. The best part was when Hathor reveals to Daniel how the Goa'uld are created.

RepliCartertje
June 11th, 2006, 09:04 AM
Ok I just (now well yesterdau) saw this one and have to say I really loved it... Carter is just so nice in it and also Frasier is so funny... especially in the holding cell... I just can't stop laughing with the scene when Frasier says something about he ex-husband :D
the only thing I really find strange is that when Daniel is sitting on the bed, Carter walks to him to ask how he is and Frasier (who is a doc) don't do a thing

luthienberen
June 11th, 2006, 01:32 PM
the only thing I really find strange is that when Daniel is sitting on the bed, Carter walks to him to ask how he is and Frasier (who is a doc) don't do a thing

I also found that odd - even more when no mention was made of Daniel needing counseling to recover from being raped. The whole issue was swept under the rug pretty quickly. Not enough to spoil my enjoyment of the show, but it did confound me - and still does.

Dani347
June 19th, 2006, 11:56 AM
I also found that odd - even more when no mention was made of Daniel needing counseling to recover from being raped. The whole issue was swept under the rug pretty quickly. Not enough to spoil my enjoyment of the show, but it did confound me - and still does.


Counseling for what? Daniel got it on with a hot woman! Men are never traumatized by sex with a beautiful woman. Unless there's something wrong with the man.

I like this episode for the women save the SGC plot, and thought it was a good episode for both Sam and Janet. But, they really should have dropped the whole rape issue if they couldn't take it seriously.

luthienberen
June 20th, 2006, 05:07 AM
Counseling for what? Daniel got it on with a hot woman! Men are never traumatized by sex with a beautiful woman. Unless there's something wrong with the man.

I like this episode for the women save the SGC plot, and thought it was a good episode for both Sam and Janet. But, they really should have dropped the whole rape issue if they couldn't take it seriously.

Oh, yes, silly me to think that rape for the victim (male or female) is not serious if you are male. After all, hot women! How could I possibly have not known that?!?:rolleyes:

I still love the episode but agree with you - if they cannot deal with rape seriously then don't write it. :mad:

:jack_new_anime18:

esoap524
June 20th, 2006, 11:36 AM
I liked this ep. Being a Janet fan this was a good ep for her. I just love the lines "Are you outta your mind honey-buns? There is a reason they call it this man's army. The way Teryl delivers them has me laughing everytime I hear them.

Janet is definitely the best thing about this episode, as is Carter looking askance at having to use her feminine wiles. Loved Carter's attitude during the whole thing and her reactions to Teal'c and his non-reaction to Hathor.

I was very shocked, though, at how sexual this episode is. I've jumped in during season 9 and read all the Vala push-back about her sexual commentary and the like so I figured that sex didn't happen onscreen on SG1. This is episode, what? 13? 10? And there was a helluva a lot of sex and skin being seen. And it's icky sex besides. Not that I care; I just thought it ironic that people were so offended by Vala's sex comments when she never raped Daniel, or tried to stick her hands into somebody's gut.

Again...ick...

The whole Hathor thing was a bit cheesy but I liked the chance that the SCG females had to shine and especially Janet's lines about this man's army and pseudo-seducing the one airman so they could get out of the cell. That was worth it.

Daniel's DNA line was funny and twisted and wrong all at the same time.

luthienberen
June 20th, 2006, 12:52 PM
Janet is definitely the best thing about this episode, as is Carter looking askance at having to use her feminine wiles. Loved Carter's attitude during the whole thing and her reactions to Teal'c and his non-reaction to Hathor.

I was very shocked, though, at how sexual this episode is. I've jumped in during season 9 and read all the Vala push-back about her sexual commentary and the like so I figured that sex didn't happen onscreen on SG1. This is episode, what? 13? 10? And there was a helluva a lot of sex and skin being seen. And it's icky sex besides. Not that I care; I just thought it ironic that people were so offended by Vala's sex comments when she never raped Daniel, or tried to stick her hands into somebody's gut.

Again...ick...

The whole Hathor thing was a bit cheesy but I liked the chance that the SCG females had to shine and especially Janet's lines about this man's army and pseudo-seducing the one airman so they could get out of the cell. That was worth it.

Daniel's DNA line was funny and twisted and wrong all at the same time.

Actually, there is a big difference between this episode and Vala - while Hathor contains rape (not handled well I admit), the humour is not tacky. Vala on the other hand is one big sex joke on legs, is obnoxious, shooting off tasteless humour and dressing up like some whore (no offence to Vala fans). Her presence is simply meant to aggravate and gloss over the lack of plot. IMO her presence does nothing for the plot while this episode furthers our knowledge of the Goa'uld.

Apart form Anise in S4 (which there were complaints about) and the opening of S1 SG-1 has had low sex scenes - and only shows skin when necessaited for plot and not in place of plot or of good humour.

But this isn't the place to discuss S9.;)

I agree with you though that it was nice to see Janet shine and the female personal be the ones to save the men. Quite a reverse of the 'damsels in distress' scenario eh?

esoap524
June 20th, 2006, 04:54 PM
I agree with you though that it was nice to see Janet shine and the female personal be the ones to save the men. Quite a reverse of the 'damsels in distress' scenario eh?

I'll disagree on the Hathor angle but you and I are definitely in agreement over Carter and Janet. They had great chemistry for one and I liked Carter's sort of "tough guy" attitude. This isn't to say that I don't like the Carter of today but, face it, if you're a young and attractive woman in the military, you're better off going the tough guy route at least to start with.

I also liked that Janet is quite petite (I am too) yet doesn't project any kind of weakness or vulnerability. Yay for short chicks!

And, yes, a nice reversal to the damsels in distress scenario, although from the little bit of SG1 I've seen and to the show's credit, they don't seem to do a lot of damsel in distress stuff, at least not with Carter.

Dani347
June 20th, 2006, 09:27 PM
Singularity is still my favorite Sam episode, and Lifeboat is my favorite Janet, but for both of them together I think this is my favorite.

I'm also short like Janet (shorter, really)

Dark Falcon
June 24th, 2006, 06:43 PM
Wow, a sexy, seductive Goa'uld?

Uh oh.

Yeah, this episode was really creepy. Seeing Janet put her hand
in O'Neil's "gut" was gross. This ep. really was not one of my favorites.

I'm glad that Hathor got what she deserved in "Into the Fire" lol.

captain jake
June 26th, 2006, 07:15 AM
I hated janet in this episode she was just so weird and slutty not her at all.

Same with carter come to think of it.

jckfan55
June 26th, 2006, 12:19 PM
I hated janet in this episode she was just so weird and slutty not her at all.

Same with carter come to think of it.
Do you mean the *fake* come on they did with the guards in order to break out? :confused: I didn't particularly like that scene, but it's not like Sam and Janet were *really* slutty.

esoap524
June 26th, 2006, 04:22 PM
I hated janet in this episode she was just so weird and slutty not her at all.

Same with carter come to think of it.


They weren't "slutty", they were trying to use their assets as a weapon, and rigthfully so given the enemy. Frankly, there was absolutely NOTHING about Carter that could ever be slutty and Janet's attempts were more comical than anything else--purposely comical.

I think you may have missed some of the tongue in cheek humor.

captain jake
June 26th, 2006, 05:28 PM
They weren't "slutty", they were trying to use their assets as a weapon, and rigthfully so given the enemy. Frankly, there was absolutely NOTHING about Carter that could ever be slutty and Janet's attempts were more comical than anything else--purposely comical.

I think you may have missed some of the tongue in cheek humor.

Perhaps but a true military officer would have dealt with the problem a little more professionaly (In my oppinion off course).


Do you mean the *fake* come on they did with the guards in order to break out? I didn't particularly like that scene, but it's not like Sam and Janet were *really* slutty.

I did mean there fake personalities I do not believe that they were there true characters.

cafine_us
June 27th, 2006, 11:16 AM
Given that five women had to retake an entire base of stronger, hormone-driven men, Sam and Janet did what they had to do. They had to think a bit outside the box. Sex was the primary motivation for the guards, and the women used that to their advantage. I don't think that makes them any less than "true military officers". In fact, good officers need to adapt to hostile situations and use the enemy's weakness against them.

Miyth
June 27th, 2006, 05:40 PM
I'm sorry, Daniel was raped, that's all there is to it. I was actually also really surprised that there wasn't any kind of aftershock for Daniel.

I loved this episode simply because it was a good eye opener to the Goa'uld and their ways.

Surprisingly, I can't think of anything else to say :\ ...

Dark Falcon
June 27th, 2006, 11:38 PM
I'm sorry, Daniel was raped, that's all there is to it. I was actually also really surprised that there wasn't any kind of aftershock for Daniel.

I loved this episode simply because it was a good eye opener to the Goa'uld and their ways.

Surprisingly, I can't think of anything else to say :\ ...

Raped? Technically, you have to have sex in order to consider it a case of raping, right? Now, I'll admit, I'm not an expert on this subject, but in my humble opinion, all Hathor did was kiss Daniel under the influence of her "drug." Therefore, I'm honestly not sure why you would call it raping.

Dani347
June 27th, 2006, 11:53 PM
She wanted him to create more Goa'uld's. As in get her pregnant. Which, takes more than just kissing. They weren't going to show them having sex. The kiss was there to give an idea of what was to come (and the conversation before that was there to give a clue as to what the kiss was leading to) and then later Janet said they might some DNA information on the larvae, and Daniel said that most of it would be his. And, babies don't come from kissin' they come from sex.

Commander Ivanova
June 28th, 2006, 04:57 AM
She wanted him to create more Goa'uld's. As in get her pregnant. Which, takes more than just kissing. They weren't going to show them having sex. The kiss was there to give an idea of what was to come (and the conversation before that was there to give a clue as to what the kiss was leading to) and then later Janet said they might some DNA information on the larvae, and Daniel said that most of it would be his. And, babies don't come from kissin' they come from sex.

Dani347 is right. It was rape, as Daniel was coerced, but the whole thing was handled discreetly by TPTB and I suppose some viewers may have missed the nuances. Poor Daniel was ravished by a bad woman for his DNA. There's a classic shot of him sitting alone afterwards looking completely shell-shocked.

esoap524
June 28th, 2006, 04:20 PM
Raped? Technically, you have to have sex in order to consider it a case of raping, right? Now, I'll admit, I'm not an expert on this subject, but in my humble opinion, all Hathor did was kiss Daniel under the influence of her "drug." Therefore, I'm honestly not sure why you would call it raping.

That's all we saw but there was some mention of his DNA being all over the place when they destroyed Hathor which led me to believe bodily fluids were exchanged...unless that was some kiss...

Miyth
June 28th, 2006, 04:26 PM
Yeah, besides, did you get a good look at the room afterward? (when Sam comes in and asks if he's okay). The lamps knocked over and things are a bit messy. Oh I'd say something happened more then kissing.

Dani347
June 28th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Well, I suppose they could have had Hathor say "I want to have my evil way with you" and then point to Daniel's pants and say "Those ? Off!" That would have been clear.

Commander Ivanova
June 30th, 2006, 01:52 AM
She did say something along the lines of "I do so enjoy the method of collecting the code of life in your species". Nudge nudge wink wink

2ndgenerationalteran
June 30th, 2006, 02:04 AM
it was definately rape, its like a guy giving a girl drugs unwillingly and that makes her want to have sex with him but switched around. we know daniel wouldnt have done that, hes married (at the time) and he would be giving a whole bunch of goulds a new chance of life

Stargater59
June 30th, 2006, 08:18 AM
It was definitely a little gross, but i can't help but put it on my favorites list

captain jake
July 1st, 2006, 12:43 PM
It was definitely a little gross, but i can't help but put it on my favorites list

I can!!

haha

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 08:20 PM
me too!!! lol

Sheppard
July 19th, 2006, 08:21 PM
She did say something along the lines of "I do so enjoy the method of collecting the code of life in your species". Nudge nudge wink wink

yeah she did

Chaka's_Mum
August 10th, 2006, 11:01 PM
If that's not a good, solid bit of innuendo, I don't know what is...

It wouldn't be out of place in a carry-on film, either. Just to lower the tone of the conversation a bit.

Hathor! Your Goddess!
August 27th, 2006, 08:48 PM
The episode with Hathor is Classic! Love those episodes!

Desl
August 28th, 2006, 10:31 AM
I loved the episodes with her. She was just cool. And I liked the SGC-women taking command and saving them all.

SamO'Neill
September 10th, 2006, 01:28 PM
I really liked this episode. It really highlighted Sam's abilities as a member of the Air Force. She took charge, and rocked at it...

Plus, a shirtless RDA doesn't hurt. ;)

SamJackShipLover
October 25th, 2006, 05:17 AM
On the Sam Jack shipper family thread we're discussing Hathor this week. A lot of us made wallpapers and posters and so. I thought it would be nice to post the one I made here (it's from a series, this is the Hathor one) of course it's a S/J shippy one.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2673/5breathtakinghathorfi5.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5breathtakinghathorfi5.jpg)
*click for larger image*

I liked this ep. The girl soldiers rock!! And there was just so much funny dialogue in it.

BubblingOverWithIdeas
December 10th, 2006, 07:42 PM
I also found that odd - even more when no mention was made of Daniel needing counseling to recover from being raped. The whole issue was swept under the rug pretty quickly. Not enough to spoil my enjoyment of the show, but it did confound me - and still does.


I'm sorry, Daniel was raped, that's all there is to it. I was actually also really surprised that there wasn't any kind of aftershock for Daniel.


Same here. They didn't portray it as something funny or okay, but there should have been more than just Hathor: "Remember the delights we shared in each other's arms?" Daniel: "I try not to." in terms of follow-up.

schweinsty
January 1st, 2007, 10:47 AM
Same here. They didn't portray it as something funny or okay, but there should have been more than just Hathor: "Remember the delights we shared in each other's arms?" Daniel: "I try not to." in terms of follow-up.

Yeah, that also struck me as odd; I guess they had to hit the reset button, but still. There could've been a bit more mention of it, in the episode itself if not in other episodes.

GateTractor
January 30th, 2007, 10:51 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. Hathor was nice and creepy, and I liked it when the women took charge :D

Team SG-1*save the show*
February 17th, 2007, 02:09 PM
it just shows that women will always come to the rescue. you cant rely on men when a pretty woman enters the equation lol :lol:

Team SG-1*save the show*
March 27th, 2007, 11:30 AM
im watching this ep now:D on sky one

Harlan's Speechwriter
March 27th, 2007, 11:59 AM
I enjoyed this episode and have watched it a few times now. Each time I see it, as with many of the episodes I've seen, I find something new. The whole issue of Hathor raping Daniel didn't occur to me on the first watching; I thought it was Hathor's power that had left him so shellshocked, rather than what she phsycially did (if that makes any sense)!

It was nice to see Dr Weir in more military action.

Luckystrike
March 28th, 2007, 05:46 AM
Na didn't really like it. How did Hathor get from Mexico to the stargate mountain? Fair enough she might have some sort of beacon she can follow, but did she walk? Hitch a lift? Did she not get asked for a passport at the border? The obvious answer is that she seduced everyone on her way. Long way to go and not run in to any females, specially if she walked, couldn't imagine a god hitchhiking across the border.

Another problem would be, if Hathor was the same gods as all the other ancient queens on earth, and she lived for generations, and everybody loved her then shouldn't the earth be crawling with Gou'ald?

Not a very good episode, maybe an episode for the females? Cause they kicked some arse.

garhkal
March 28th, 2007, 10:20 PM
She was 'trapped in that sarc', which is why we were not overrun by Gou'ald..

Team SG-1*save the show*
March 29th, 2007, 09:19 AM
Loved this ep- it showed the men, us girls can kick some ass :lol:

Harlan's Speechwriter
March 29th, 2007, 12:22 PM
Loved this ep- it showed the men, us girls can kick some ass :lol:

It was good to see the women really come into their own, especially Dr Weir, since we don't usually see her in that type of action.

Chaka's_Mum
March 29th, 2007, 11:17 PM
She was 'trapped in that sarc', which is why we were not overrun by Gou'ald..

I'd go with that. Being banged up, she wasn't in a position to spawn new larvae, so her supply dried up. The Goa'uld she had spawned would have probably either left when Ra did, or had already gone - seeking out little empires to call their very own...

There's no reason to assume that there weren't any Goa'uld left on the planet once Ra abandoned it, of course, but it's quite possible that any that were left hanging around slaughtered each other for power - just like the System Lords seem to do on a grander, galactic scale. Any that remain among us today are likely to be a bit short of the kind of weaponry and followers needed for Global domination. They probably do it on the sly by running big Corporations or something.

No, I'm not suggesting Robert Maxwell was a Goa'uld.;)

Harlan's Speechwriter
March 30th, 2007, 10:56 PM
I'd go with that. Being banged up, she wasn't in a position to spawn new larvae, so her supply dried up. The Goa'uld she had spawned would have probably either left when Ra did, or had already gone - seeking out little empires to call their very own...

I've probably missed something here, but I do wonder how Hathor ended up getting shut away again. She's a pretty tough girl, at least she's very 'persuasive', so I'd have thought that the archiologists we see finding her at the beginning would have found it quite tricky to get her locked up again.

Harlan's Speechwriter
March 31st, 2007, 02:18 PM
I've probably missed something here, but I do wonder how Hathor ended up getting shut away again. She's a pretty tough girl, at least she's very 'persuasive', so I'd have thought that the archiologists we see finding her at the beginning would have found it quite tricky to get her locked up again.

Sorry, I've just realised that I was talking a complete load of rubbish in the post above. That'll teach me to post on the forum before I'm awake in the morning!

I guess this episode is flawed in some respects, but I still quite like it.

Theimmortaljedi
July 22nd, 2007, 03:46 AM
this epp reminds me alot of star trek. ALot. A message about female strength hidden in here somewhere I think.

Harlan's Speechwriter
July 30th, 2007, 01:31 PM
this epp reminds me alot of star trek. ALot. A message about female strength hidden in here somewhere I think.

I've never seen Star Trek (my brother is a fan and I once had to wear a Star Trek style shirt in a concert I was playing in, but that's another story).

I like this episode because it shows two of the extremes of the female nature; Hathor and Sam contrast very well.

Cascade
August 22nd, 2007, 02:48 PM
Hehe...I was just re-watching this episode, and the bit where Hathor says to General Hammond "You, with the crown of marble..." is hilarious, as it Jack's reaction ("She...might mean you, Sir"). :lol: I don't know why I find that so funny...I don't think it made me laugh so much the first time round. :o

Team SG-1*save the show*
August 23rd, 2007, 02:03 AM
When i rewatched episodes i sometimes find something funny that i never really noticed before. jack is just the best for comedy lines ;)

Theimmortaljedi
August 23rd, 2007, 02:08 PM
What I think sets this show apart from others in the genre is that it is still fun to watch on repeat veiwings!:tealc:

Cascade
August 23rd, 2007, 05:24 PM
What I think sets this show apart from others in the genre is that it is still fun to watch on repeat veiwings!:tealc:

Very true. :) I'm not even through my first overall run of Stargate at the moment (I'm watching them in chronological order, on S7 just now), and I've already gone back to re-watch some eps!

Harlan's Speechwriter
August 24th, 2007, 01:04 PM
Very true. :) I'm not even through my first overall run of Stargate at the moment (I'm watching them in chronological order, on S7 just now), and I've already gone back to re-watch some eps!

I'm finding that I see different things when I re-watch episodes, especially after I've seen the ones which follow the episode.

garhkal
August 24th, 2007, 02:53 PM
One thing i would love to know, is how much of that 'phermone' did hathor carry? Also where did she carry it, or was it cause she was a queen Gou'ald, it was part of her make up?

Major Clanger
August 26th, 2007, 12:13 PM
It was good to see the women really come into their own, especially Dr Weir, since we don't usually see her in that type of action.

ahem!
Dr... who?
;)

Bekki
August 27th, 2007, 05:20 PM
Hehe...I was just re-watching this episode, and the bit where Hathor says to General Hammond "You, with the crown of marble..." is hilarious, as it Jack's reaction ("She...might mean you, Sir"). :lol: I don't know why I find that so funny...I don't think it made me laugh so much the first time round. :o

I think that might be my favourite line of season one. I may have actually laughed very loudly

I liked this episode because of its polar representations. We are (or at least were at that stage) used to the idea of the Goa'uld using force to get what they want. It challenged that representation. Also, the representations of women in general. Bad woman uses sex to get what she wants. Good woman uses smarts and force. Maybe they just wanted to get some feminist ratings...who knows! It was good anyway.

Although, it could have been quite humorous if we knew the male officers who Janet, Sam and the other female officers had to trick in order to get free. What would have happened if Janet had to make out with General Hammond? Or if Sam was with Jack?

Bekki
August 27th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Sorry about the double post, but I was just at the gym and Cher's "All or Nothing" was playing on the t.v.

Notice a scary resemblance, anyone?

4434

4435

Integrabyte
December 29th, 2007, 08:41 AM
Sorry about the double post, but I was just at the gym and Cher's "All or Nothing" was playing on the t.v.

Notice a scary resemblance, anyone?

4434

4435

Not that scary for me :P. I found Hathor cute and I am not very fond of reds :P

garhkal
May 6th, 2008, 12:53 PM
We never saw any fall out from need, that episode where they all got that virus that 'caveman'ed them, when Jack was a prisoner of Ba'al in the Abyss or any others..

PG15
May 8th, 2008, 09:02 PM
I don't know if anyone's posted this, but during this episode, Sam is seen talking with Dr. Frasier while checking on Hathor on the Internet. One of the sites she hits has a title of "Ishtar, Lady of Heaven". Well, I enter that into Google just now, and came up with this:

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/ishtar.html

The background is different, but the text is the same. Pretty cool. :D

Jumper_One
May 9th, 2008, 01:48 PM
I don't know if anyone's posted this, but during this episode, Sam is seen talking with Dr. Frasier while checking on Hathor on the Internet. One of the sites she hits has a title of "Ishtar, Lady of Heaven". Well, I enter that into Google just now, and came up with this:

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/ishtar.html

The background is different, but the text is the same. Pretty cool. :D

yeah you're right :P
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/SG-1/image2555.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/SG-1/image2556.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/SG-1/image2557.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/SG-1/image2559.jpg

HelloVelo
May 28th, 2008, 09:21 PM
I love Hathor and her cheap wig.

8/10

Full Review: http://stargatesummer.blogspot.com/2008/05/hathor.html

captain jake
June 25th, 2008, 02:33 PM
What was with Hathor being invisible and surviving the fire? I mean the Goa'uld all heel extremely fast, but they aren't impervious. Why wasn't she at least injured when she was going through the gate? Did she have a personal shield? It was my understanding that the personal shield was a rather new invention due to the fact that Teal'c did not know of it until he saw Apophis use it.

Is there any evidence that would suggest that the queen's have superior healing abilities?

L E E
June 27th, 2008, 09:39 PM
girl power! that's all i can say for this ep.

captain jake
June 30th, 2008, 12:15 AM
girl power! that's all i can say for this ep.

Don't forget Teal'c and Jack... Without them Sam wouldn't have been able to neutralize Hathor.

L E E
July 1st, 2008, 07:45 PM
Don't forget Teal'c and Jack... Without them Sam wouldn't have been able to neutralize Hathor.

Indeed. But they only got to help after the girls rescued them. :)

A nitpick: why is the sarcophagus in the gate room? they don't have enought rooms under that mountain?

captain jake
July 1st, 2008, 11:04 PM
Indeed. But they only got to help after the girls rescued them. :)

A nitpick: why is the sarcophagus in the gate room? they don't have enought rooms under that mountain?

The sarcophagus is an extremely large piece of equipment, which mean it was probably lowered down into the SGC through the silo above the Stargate. I'm sure they were planning on dismantling it or finding some other form of relocation.

L E E
July 2nd, 2008, 09:43 PM
The sarcophagus is an extremely large piece of equipment, which mean it was probably lowered down into the SGC through the silo above the Stargate. I'm sure they were planning on dismantling it or finding some other form of relocation.

I see. I've wondered about the logistics of relocating the stargate from Egypt to under the Cheyenne mountain. So, I guess the stargate was also brought in the same way?

I've not made a thorough observation of the gate room so I did not notice any silo.

captain jake
July 3rd, 2008, 03:53 AM
I see. I've wondered about the logistics of relocating the stargate from Egypt to under the Cheyenne mountain. So, I guess the stargate was also brought in the same way?

I've not made a thorough observation of the gate room so I did not notice any silo.

Yes that was precisely how they got the Stargate into the gate room, it used to be a missile silo for test rockets.

hedwig
July 3rd, 2008, 04:00 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I just noticed - having watched this episode a bundle of times previously and not noticed it -

However, when SG1 (minus Daniel) are in the briefing room discussing Hathor, and Daniel comes down the stairs and tries to talk everyone into allowing Hathor to "debrief" them all, Jack objects, as does Sam. Daniel walks over to Hammond and tries to convince him to allow Hathor into the briefing room, and that pink/purple, breathy, glowy stuff seeps across Daniel's eyes (the stuff that Hathor breathed on Hammond and Daniel earlier), and Hammond sees it and comes back under the "spell" and agrees with Daniel. ... And then Hathor comes down the stairs, etc.

I noticed it the first time and then had to rewind and look at it again to make sure I hadn't imagined it. Interesting how little things like that can slip by without being noticed, and then - zap, it gets noticed?:D:rolleyes:

My comment means nothing - just an observation ... :D

captain jake
July 3rd, 2008, 05:47 PM
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I just noticed - having watched this episode a bundle of times previously and not noticed it -

However, when SG1 (minus Daniel) are in the briefing room discussing Hathor, and Daniel comes down the stairs and tries to talk everyone into allowing Hathor to "debrief" them all, Jack objects, as does Sam. Daniel walks over to Hammond and tries to convince him to allow Hathor into the briefing room, and that pink/purple, breathy, glowy stuff seeps across Daniel's eyes (the stuff that Hathor breathed on Hammond and Daniel earlier), and Hammond sees it and comes back under the "spell" and agrees with Daniel. ... And then Hathor comes down the stairs, etc.

I noticed it the first time and then had to rewind and look at it again to make sure I hadn't imagined it. Interesting how little things like that can slip by without being noticed, and then - zap, it gets noticed?:D:rolleyes:

My comment means nothing - just an observation ... :D

Yes I noticed this, the only thing that was odd about the graphic was that we never saw it again. If it had happened one or two more times it wouldn't have been such an anomaly.

Pic
July 25th, 2008, 12:16 PM
It's a shame the sarcophagus was destroyed, but it would've been too easy a plot devise to have hanging around the SGC ~ reviving the team and all.

I enjoyed GI-Janet and her feminine wiles in getting the women out of lock-up. That and Carter's comment about her upcoming court martial were amusing.

Seeing the men go all gabblesmacky over Hathor was painful to watch. And after all that, DRATS! she escapes!

pritnep
July 26th, 2008, 10:25 PM
I noticed it the first time and then had to rewind and look at it again to make sure I hadn't imagined it. Interesting how little things like that can slip by without being noticed, and then - zap, it gets noticed?:D:rolleyes:

There are so many little things I find that you can pick-up on a re-watch and like you it may not be the 1st re-watch but a 2nd or 3rd, I guess that's what makes the show so great.

Hathor being the "Queen Bee" was interesting had she succeeded Daniel would of been responsible for Goa'uld enslaving the galaxy. Oh the irony. I also noticed instead of the usual yellow tinge when Hathor's eyes glowed it was white - must be a queen thing.

GI-Janet and Captain Carter save they day again. :D I thought it was funny though that Janet took second point when going into the shower room, one of the other women you would think would have more firearms training then a doctor, I guess it depends what department they were from.

Jack almost got his own junior, cool to see how the pouch was made.

It seems at least in these initial episodes of season 1 they are always so close yet so far with getting new technology and learning new intel. You have to wonder why they didn't at least attempt to close the iris when Hathor was leaving.

Overall pretty good episode.

ZoSo
September 15th, 2008, 10:19 PM
When I first saw this I was wondering why Hammond, Jack, and Daniel didn't immediately figure out that she was a Goa'uld. Obviously the viewer knows immediately because of the opening scene, but she was drawn to the stargate (which she called chapahaii) and she claimed to be an egyptian god. If you know anything about the Goa'uld you immediately know what she is right then and there.

Apparently there are three levels of infatuation with this hottie. Her mere presence has some effect. Enough to make them think she's just a looney toon. The breath on the hand has a greater effect. Enough to make them think she's a good Goa'uld. And the breath on the face has an all-encompassing effect. Enough to make Daniel, well, you know.

RononXSpecialist
November 8th, 2008, 02:35 AM
Lol yea i agree with ZoSo they should of immidetly knew she was Goa'uld and wow Jackson takeing advantage of Hathor ewww

Butlersgate
February 23rd, 2009, 06:10 AM
i enjoyed this episode :D shame about the sarcophagus though.

Dinoman
March 2nd, 2009, 03:35 PM
Evil aside, Hathor was truly a beautiful goddess and no wonder the men were all being drawn and attracted to her, even willing to die for her. For me the funniest part is at the end when Fraiser was collecting the remainss from the burnt larvae Daniel said that probably his DNA would be found in most of the speciments.

The Stig
April 20th, 2009, 02:42 PM
hathor has to be one of the best looking villians in stargate. It wsa an icky episode however.

Jimbob041106
May 4th, 2009, 04:12 PM
I dunno.... If that was a vat of liquid nitrogen Jack tossed her into, then her body splintered into a million pieces when she hit bottom.

That being said, there are almost as many ways to bring 'Hathor' back: clone Hathor, (even-more-)evil twin Hathor, AU Hathor, time travel Hathor, holographic imaging technology Hathor, halucingenic drug-induced Hathor, dream(nightmare?) Hathor, etc. ;)

Heck. My friend thinks Hathor is freaky.

Cheerful Dragon
May 26th, 2009, 05:41 AM
I enjoyed this episode. It introduced us to the idea of a 'Queen Goa'uld', something we don't see again until "Cure", when we encounter the original Tok'ra Queen and "Evolution Part 2" when we find a 'modified' queen being used to create the Kull Warriors. I think it's also the first time we hear a Goa'uld speak with the host's voice. Hathor certainly sounds like a normal person most of the time. We saw Rya'c undergoing prim'taa, but didn't see how the 'pouch' was created. Now we know how a Goa'uld 'queen' does it. Maybe the priests have a similar device.

It was interesting to see the men coming under Hathor's control, but I'm surprised she even tried to get Teal'c. Surely she'd have known his larval Goa'uld would protect him.

Shame the sarcophagus was destroyed, but I guess it's not a piece of technology they could have kept in the show. It would have made some things too easy.

lordofseas
July 31st, 2009, 03:42 PM
I enjoyed this episode. It introduced us to the idea of a 'Queen Goa'uld', something we don't see again until "Cure", when we encounter the original Tok'ra Queen and "Evolution Part 2" when we find a 'modified' queen being used to create the Kull Warriors. I think it's also the first time we hear a Goa'uld speak with the host's voice. Hathor certainly sounds like a normal person most of the time. We saw Rya'c undergoing prim'taa, but didn't see how the 'pouch' was created. Now we know how a Goa'uld 'queen' does it. Maybe the priests have a similar device.

It was interesting to see the men coming under Hathor's control, but I'm surprised she even tried to get Teal'c. Surely she'd have known his larval Goa'uld would protect him.

Shame the sarcophagus was destroyed, but I guess it's not a piece of technology they could have kept in the show. It would have made some things too easy.

Don't forget the skeleton of the wild Goa'uld Queen we saw.

rushy
November 24th, 2009, 01:57 AM
THIS EPISODE SUCKS.Hathor had sex with Daniel? This is a very not to the chlidren episode

Major Clanger
November 28th, 2009, 07:43 AM
It's not a children's programme, though, so why not have adult themes occasionally? I thought it was a very powerful episode in places, although other parts of it got on my nerves.

Tachyon
November 30th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Well, I have mixed feelings about this episode. The idea behind the story is alright, but something was lacking in the end result. Hmm...

gateship15
December 7th, 2009, 11:35 AM
i love that this is never spoking of again lol. i bet all the males infected were very embarrassed about it. good episode not one of my fave but good episode

Alder
January 31st, 2010, 11:37 AM
I still wonder how she got from Mexico to Colorado. In that dress. Must've been chilly at night...

The "Hathor drugging Daniel and presumably having sex with him" bit really does squick me out. Date rape! It's funny! :S

(Had it been played as twisted/evil that would have been another thing altogether, but the episode plays as a bit too light for my comfort).

Oooh, and there's a weird bit. How did Carter shooting at Hathor set the tub on fire? Any ideas?

jckfan55
January 31st, 2010, 03:31 PM
^ Yeah, that's a puzzle. Maybe Hathor somehow set it on fire to help cover her escape.

mrscopterdoc
February 4th, 2010, 10:40 AM
Not my favorite episode, but I did love Janet in this.

gateship15
February 4th, 2010, 04:17 PM
fantastic ep i love the fact no ones allowed to mention it again

Noxbait
February 12th, 2010, 07:20 PM
This is the one episode I have not watched. And I'm on second...fifth ect viewing of most episodes. So I'm just wondering...from those who have watched this one: should I watch it? I have been holding off due to much of what I've read about it. So is it worthwile to watch or better left ignored??? Help!

jelgate
February 12th, 2010, 07:32 PM
Fandom is diverse in different opinions. Watch it and judge for yourself if its good or bad

Skydiver
February 12th, 2010, 07:51 PM
hathor has its moments, both fun and cringeworthy

i enjoy the cheese and fun of it all

and the girls kicking tush while the guys are trapped by their hormones

hawk97135
February 17th, 2010, 12:43 AM
Im sorry to the people who liked this episode but I didn't like this episode at all. It was mainly because I just didn't like Hathor's character. I dont know why I can't quite put my finger on it but there is something about Hathor's charcter that I just dont like.

jckfan55
February 17th, 2010, 09:29 AM
Fandom is diverse in different opinions. Watch it and judge for yourself if its good or bad

I agree. On the one hand it's good for (accidental) laughs, but it does have some good stuff in it.

KayLyne
February 18th, 2010, 01:01 PM
I liked this episode for the women-kicking-butt factor, and the Janet snarky-ex story, but didn't really care for the full episode in general.

Hathor's skanky costume is the biggest annoyance for me throughout this too.

MylittleEli
February 18th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Have to agree with the general sentiment of this thread... not my fav episode but also not the worst. Love the chick soldier power though. But episode definitely doesn't get high marks.

maneth
March 4th, 2010, 10:15 AM
Not my favorite either. The chick power was good, but I didn't like the way the guys fell under Hathor's spell like ninepins.

FreshFero
March 22nd, 2010, 05:39 AM
Im sorry to the people who liked this episode but I didn't like this episode at all. It was mainly because I just didn't like Hathor's character. I dont know why I can't quite put my finger on it but there is something about Hathor's charcter that I just dont like.
Could it be because she's a Gou'ld and you're not suppose to l[COLOR="red"LIKE[/COLOR] her?

Vagabond Serpent
April 5th, 2010, 05:32 AM
So, the infamous "Hathor" episode...

Well, what can I say. I love and dislike it at the same time. Can't point a finger why I dislike it, but I love it because it shows us few more things about the Goa'Uld, and, especially, their Queens. This episode has several hilarious lines, like when Sam says "It's a miracle!" and Jack responds "Crunchies!" or when she points out to Teal'c that he's a male. :P Also it's quite amusing to see Hammond and other men literally drunk with her presence. Hathor is hot, but is also wicked and disgusting at the same time. And about that mist in Daniel's eyes: it appeared when one drugged man was convincing another drugged man that Hathor is good. So it seems that since Daniel was more drugged by Hathor's wiles he was able to influence less drugged Hammond to agree with him. Anyway, quite good episode.

8/10

EDIT: Just pondered about this one a bit more and imagined how the series would continue, if they won't be able to heal Jack and he'd have to become a Jaffa! :P :D

Girlbot
June 10th, 2010, 10:35 AM
Loved Janet Frasier and the girls in this one. Just like men to be taken in:P
Found out Frasier had been married before in this ep., that hadn't been mentioned before.
another "You go girl" moment for me:D

Tallifer
September 10th, 2010, 01:46 PM
This was a very fun story, all told in one delightful episode.

What man would not contemplate for a moment the possibilities of being consort to such a glamorous queen? Of course fathering a race of Goaulds would put a damper on the whole thing, but Hathor was indeed a seductive mistress!

I laughed at both the men as they succumbed to Hathor's sensual domination and at the women as they outsmarted the eveil queen and rescued the smitten men.

More Hathor please!

ChulaksPrincess
October 21st, 2010, 01:28 PM
Whan an evil, evil woman!

I'm glad that Teal'c didn't fall under her influence. Sam's amazing courage is plain to see here. She took charge, and never backed down. General Hammond was right for putting her up for recommendation. Sam deserved it.

ChulaksPrincess
March 5th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Sam displayed her excellent capability to lead early, and I believe it was in this episode. I was impressed with how she took charge.

Sam: "Welcome back, Colonel O'neill."

Jack: "What, I left?"

That was classic.

:lol:

Hathor: "We are the mother of all Pharaohs."

Jack: "Of course we are."

:lol:

Another classic Jack moment.

Lunaeclipse
March 7th, 2011, 02:32 PM
It was kind of weird seeing the key males so 'distracted', but it was awesome to see the woman of the SGC take charge when they needed to.

Selkhet
April 29th, 2011, 12:42 PM
Hathor: "We are the mother of all Pharaohs."

Jack: "Of course we are."

It was kind of disconcerting hearing Hathor talk about herself in the plural.
Just kind of wierded me out.

Still liked the episode, especially when Dr. Frasier and Carter were "seducing" the guards. Classic.

:zelenka25:

Lunaeclipse
April 29th, 2011, 05:19 PM
It was kind of disconcerting hearing Hathor talk about herself in the plural.
Just kind of wierded me out.

Still liked the episode, especially when Dr. Frasier and Carter were "seducing" the guards. Classic.

:zelenka25:

Yeah? I kind of liked that. It made me laugh especially when Jack started joking about it...

WraithCommander
June 8th, 2011, 02:41 PM
I thought the whole concept was rather exciting, I love the whole deal between Daniel and Hathor and how they then act towards each other the next time they meet.

and, she was hot. :P

mathpiglet
July 12th, 2011, 04:45 PM
They called Daniel Danny...twice!

lookupwardsnshare
August 5th, 2011, 04:47 PM
Girl power episode!!! This episode was really centered around women--Hathor, Sam, Janet.

One question: Was Daniel already under some kind of Hathor's influence when they first meet in the holding room? He made a comment that can't believe they didn't chain you to the bed or something like that when he went over to release Hathor of her binds? It seems to me he can be too much of a womanizer at times and too acceptant to strangers. I mean this woman shows up at the base and knows about the stargate and is willing to believe her and approach her w/o hesitation. This all happens before Hathor even does her little spelly thing on him. It seems like that throughout the series he always has a woman on every planet on almost every episode. Gets quite annoying. Im not a Daniel hater but come on.

Overall I enjoyed the episode.

mcbrndjms
August 6th, 2011, 11:20 AM
actualy he said "General are the cuffs necessary." and when he went to untie her he said "they even chained you to the bed."
Daniel's just too naive and has a tunnel vision that makes him see only the possible good in people. he cares too much. women like guys who care too much and are protective.

I laugh every time Hathor starts talking about the 'code of life' and when Sam hits Hammond over the head and announces "my career is so over."

Hathor is the ultimate "she thing" and girl power episode!!!

Brother Freyr
August 10th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Daniel's just too naive and has a tunnel vision that makes him see only the possible good in people. Something similar is being discussed in the Torment of Tantalus thread: Daniel ignores an imminent danger and insists on staying. His recurring character flaws are his naïveté and obliviousness to danger. He eventually learns, but it sure takes a long time.

Girlbot
August 10th, 2011, 11:08 AM
I loved Sam and Janet in this one. First time I knew that Janet had been married. I liked the way she handled herself :)

muziqaz
August 13th, 2011, 12:45 AM
The bath full of Goa'uld snakes. Man, I will never take a bubbly bath again :D

Starscape91
August 13th, 2011, 10:06 AM
I enjoyed this episode it had some great Jack moments and it was also nice to see an episode surrounding the women of the base. What bugged me is when they were having the meeting and Teal'c walks in there is one woman who is just standing there in her dress blues while everyone else is in fatigues ready to take over the base. And then we never see the woman in dress blues again.

garhkal
August 13th, 2011, 03:34 PM
It was kind of disconcerting hearing Hathor talk about herself in the plural.
Just kind of wierded me out.

Still liked the episode, especially when Dr. Frasier and Carter were "seducing" the guards. Classic.

:zelenka25:

Well a number of famous people speak about themselves in the third person "Ricky james loves himself too much" etc.. so its not hard to see a gou'ald develop into speaking of themselves in the "we" fashion..

Girlbot
August 13th, 2011, 04:34 PM
Well a number of famous people speak about themselves in the third person "Ricky james loves himself too much" etc.. so its not hard to see a gou'ald develop into speaking of themselves in the "we" fashion..
we know not of what you speak :weiranime42: :P

dtheories
August 14th, 2011, 06:23 AM
First appearance of a sarc on modern day Earth as well as learning about the need for a species' DNA to match the host. Sam standing up to Hammond questioning not just following orders...that was awesome. Dealing with the rape of Daniel so lightly was disheartening, but there were only 44 minutes. And speaking of Daniel, I'm not going to defend him, so much as ask for understanding. As mentioned on the 'Tantulus' page, he's not had anyone really care about his well-being during his lifetime and has used his intellect to get him through on his own, so the idea of putting himself in danger for knowledge or to save another had become part of his character. Only as he develops a secure feeling as part of the team does that begin to change. Naive? Most definitely. But I thank the writers for keeping his heart open to the possibilities in humanity as a contrast to Jack, who's seen too much and Sam who's more likely to view from an analytical and sterile pov.

Noxbait
August 14th, 2011, 06:47 PM
First appearance of a sarc on modern day Earth as well as learning about the need for a species' DNA to match the host. Sam standing up to Hammond questioning not just following orders...that was awesome. Dealing with the rape of Daniel so lightly was disheartening, but there were only 44 minutes. And speaking of Daniel, I'm not going to defend him, so much as ask for understanding. As mentioned on the 'Tantulus' page, he's not had anyone really care about his well-being during his lifetime and has used his intellect to get him through on his own, so the idea of putting himself in danger for knowledge or to save another had become part of his character. Only as he develops a secure feeling as part of the team does that begin to change. Naive? Most definitely. But I thank the writers for keeping his heart open to the possibilities in humanity as a contrast to Jack, who's seen too much and Sam who's more likely to view from an analytical and sterile pov.

Excellent points all around! I shall take all of this into account when I force myself to watch this eppy in the very near future. (i have never watched it and am not exactly looking forward to it...but it's the rewatch so I have to!) :(

Lieutenant Sparrow
August 15th, 2011, 03:02 AM
Not a bad ep but not a great one either. Something about it bugged me.

One thing that annoyed me was Hathor getting out of the bath thingy dry and with perfect hair :S

SG3Marine
August 15th, 2011, 05:14 AM
It bothered me too. Although it was a pretty cool effect.

poundpuppy29
August 15th, 2011, 12:18 PM
This ep was interesting

fems
August 16th, 2011, 04:32 AM
One thing that annoyed me was Hathor getting out of the bath thingy dry and with perfect hair :S

Maybe it's one of the perks of being a Goa'uld? :P After all, they never seem to have a bad hair day... They don't do cookies just perfect hair.

juggernaut975
August 17th, 2011, 06:14 AM
Kind of a middle of the road episode for me.....not great but not terrible either.

Got some more info on the Goa'uld, they have a 'queen' who churns them out.

Found the whole 'guys getting whammied by foxy antagonist' to be dull, it's something we've seen a lot in sci-fi and this episode was, in my view at least, SG's stab at it.

O'Neill getting a pouch was extremely creepy, his immune system was wiped out and he would have required a 'junior' of his own if the sarcophagus wasn't there....Dr. Frasier went above and beyond as usual by inspecting the Colonel's midsection herself.

It was just very formulaic with some awesome SG stuff thrown in.....obvious stuff like O'Neill nearly becoming a Jaffa himself to less obvious stuff like Sam lamenting to Frasier that she's not really 'one of the guys'.

Jae'a
August 17th, 2011, 09:58 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/4815.html)

I kinda know how Sam feels sometimes, especially in the Farscape fandom with all the guys constantly drooling over Chiana and only I seem to be able to see her bad points.. :P

chaddergate
August 17th, 2011, 11:07 AM
My LiveJournal post (http://jo-r-lee.livejournal.com/4815.html)

Enjoyed your blog about this episode.
A pretty good episode all in all. I think it had some really good humor to it, including the Jack-sex, drugs and rock & roll, quote.

another scientist
August 17th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Not the best episode, but it gave us interesting information on the Goa'uld and their technology. What I didn't understand was, why was O'Neill's Jaffa pouch healed by the sarcophagus, it is not really a wound, or is it? Would it do the same for any Jaffa and restore their imune system?

It is also the second episode that deals with the role of women, something that kinda bugged me. Now I understand how it feels not to be treated as 'one of the guys', I had 2 years IT-training with 14 men. Still, I don't really see Carter's point, we never see the others of SG 1 treat her differently from one another (except for Jack in later seaons, but that's another story :P). So why did they have to show her as the strong, brave female again, when there is no doubt at all that she is?

Jae'a
August 17th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Thanks Chaddergate. :)
That's one of my fave Jack quotes :D

mathpiglet
August 17th, 2011, 12:57 PM
snip

It is also the second episode that deals with the role of women, something that kinda bugged me. Now I understand how it feels not to be treated as 'one of the guys', I had 2 years IT-training with 14 men. Still, I don't really see Carter's point, we never see the others of SG 1 treat her differently from one another (except for Jack in later seaons, but that's another story :P). So why did they have to show her as the strong, brave female again, when there is no doubt at all that she is?

I agree. It seemed out of character for Carter to complain about this.